Interview Dr. Joseph Sansone: Legal Battles and Learned Helplessness

INTERVIEW: DR. JOSEPH SANSONE 
LEGAL BATTLES AND LEARNED HELPLESSNESS


MAY, 26TH, 2024      AARON SMITH      SEASON 1      EPISODE 71

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Can the fight for constitutional rights and public health intersect in a battle against mRNA injections? That's the question Dr. Joseph Sansone, a psychotherapist turned legal activist, answers as he recounts his journey from a resolution to ban mRNA injections with the Republican Party in Florida to facing censorship and his own health battles. In this Episode, we tackle the complexities of resisting perceived medical tyranny, the pivotal role of grassroots political engagement, and how to turn away from mainstream narratives to uncover deeper truths.

As society grapples with apathy and the ominous shadow of learned helplessness, our discussion ventures into the realms of judicial review, strategic legal maneuvering, and the indispensable power of individual action. We dissect the psychological underpinnings of resistance, the impact of diffusion of responsibility on societal engagement, and the imperative of a proactive, rather than reactive, approach to confronting critical issues that threaten our fundamental rights and human dignity.

Wrapping up our thought-provoking session, we probe the delicate interplay between faith, health, and morality in the face of global crises. Dr. Sansone imparts his wisdom on navigating life's challenges with resilience, advocating for faith as a beacon of hope and the significance of acting on one's convictions. It's an episode that not only shines a light on pressing controversies but also empowers you with the belief that every individual is capable of making a tangible, real-world impact.

SPOTLIGHT AND DR. SANSONE LINKS:

Karen Kingston:
https://karenkingston.substack.com

Dr. Ana Michalcea:
https://substack.com/@anamihalceamdphd

Dr. Joseph Sansone:
https://josephsansone.substack.com

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Subtle Cane Podcast. I'm your host, aaron Smith, broadcasting from the Aorta of America, beautiful festival city, oshkosh, wisconsin, where we pump out reason and pierce through the propaganda. Here we go. Today is Sunday, may 26, 2024. This is Episode 72 of the Subtle Cane Podcast Interview with Dr Joseph Sansone Legal Battles and Learned Helplessness. If you're new to the Subtle Cane Podcast, thank you for gracing us with your virtual presence. If you're a returning listener, thank you for your continued support. It is much appreciated.

Speaker 1: 0:48

There are times in our lives when we look at the challenges we face and it all seems so overwhelming. Many of the topics we discuss here are played out on the global stage and there are days when I ask myself what am I even doing? How have I contributed to the cause? Certainly, the truth should be sought after and the lies exposed, but then what? So what if there are powerful individuals and organizations manipulating the public and scheming away like Pinky and the Brain? What of it?

Speaker 1: 1:20

Today we hear from Dr Joseph Sansone about what he has chosen to do about the mRNA injections in his state of Florida. Dr Joseph Sansone is a licensed practicing psychotherapist who specializes in hypnotherapy and describes himself as a psychotherapist opposed to psychopathic totalitarianism. He also writes and does interviews on his Substack page, mind Matters and Everything Else. Dr Sansone has taken it upon himself to petition the courts with a plea to pull the mRNA injections off the market. In Florida, he successfully managed to work with the Republican Party in his county to formalize a resolution to that effect.

Speaker 1: 2:01

I hope that this interview inspires you to act in your local community in whatever ways. You can Remember last week's assignment. Start with finding out who was making the decisions locally and how they conducted themselves throughout this pandemic. Forgive them and pray for them if they acted dishonorably. The next step is to find out how to contact them and voice your concerns, but without first forgiving them and praying for them, the chances of any productive outcomes become quite stark. Let's hear what the good doctor has to say about his own path to holding people accountable, hand zone of mind matters and everything else, with a weekly podcast and all kinds of great articles and conversations to be found on sub stack. And I just wanted to thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule, doctor, and joining us here on the subtle King podcast today.

Speaker 2: 2:58

Well, thanks for having me here, and it's my pleasure. It's a strange new world, right.

Speaker 1: 3:04

It is. It is You're. You're a very busy man. I've been trying to read up and catch up on some of the interviews and stuff that you've done, but if people are not familiar with you in the audience, would you mind just giving us a little bio and telling us what you're up to?

Speaker 2: 3:25

I like to say I'm a psychotherapist opposed to psychopathic authoritarianism, which is, uh, pretty much the world we live in today. I guess to a great extent. And um, I, uh, you know, I've been thinking about that actually earlier today. Uh, I think I I might have plagiarized that from uh Paul when he diagnosed Congress with psychopathic authoritarianism, but I run with it. So I think I've been working really hard to try to get these biological and technological weapons off the market.

Speaker 2: 3:58

I've started off, I guess, in well, I mean, if you mean me personally as a psychotherapist, I specialize in clinical hypnosis, but outside of that, I guess we started in May of 2021. Face masks and lockdowns and injections to be Nuremberg crimes and you know, crimes against humanity and violate the Ninth Amendment and so on, and, you know, started there. But at some point I realized that the that's a losing argument fighting against mandates because, just looking at it from like an Ericksonian hypnosis point of view debate, you know discussing whether we should be mandating a biological weapon or not, there's an embedded command in there that biological weapons are okay and so we need to reframe that. So we worked about 18 months to set up the context to be able to replace our old board at our county level party in our republican party, to get the first band of jab resolution passed in february of 2023. Um, which was good, because that window closed. We'd never be able to get it passed now with that same board that we put in there. But, um, uh, they get compromised easily, I guess.

Speaker 2: 5:21

But uh we got that resolution passed and now that resolution should have been earth shattering because it declared the COVID-19 and mRNA injections to be biological technological weapons at the time called on the governor to prohibit the distribution and the attorney general to confiscate the vials and direct the forensic analysis of the contents. What happened was is we did a our county party did a press release through PRWeb and PRNewswire and they censored the press release. They would not allow it. They said that it went against CDC's standards and it incited fear. If you can imagine that After mass media monopolies and the government engaged in a psyop to create basically psychological terrorism, scaring people out of their wits to wear these masks, to follow those stupid little lines on the floor and everything, stand six feet apart, be afraid to shake hands and all that. And you know that was just amazing. I want you to think about too. That was one of your two major political parties, a vote that actually occurred. The press release got censored. Now, mind you, it was at the county level, but still it's amazing because in a normal world that press release would have went out to that for a few weeks and it would have been, but anyway.

Speaker 2: 6:44

So we kept pushing. We got like 10 counties here in florida um to pass the resolutions. Uh, I actually got a little delayed in in uh, april of last year. Uh, on april 1st of all days I I woke up, I couldn't breathe, I was in congestive heart failure and I had, uh, on the 10th of April I had a triple bypass heart surgery. So it slowed it down a little bit but we got. We got a county passed that month and I got Dr Francis Boyle to endorse the resolution in writing while I was in the hospital. So you know we were pushing it, just lost a little momentum.

Speaker 2: 7:20

But we got like 10 counties in Florida to pass it. Then we got we got counties in other states too, uh, and we got uh, the um county parties, I should say. And then the idaho republican party passed it in the summer of last year. And then, more recently, I reached out to dan schultz of precinctstrategycom and he introduced it in maricopa county, arizona, which is the biggest republican county in the uh state, and their party passed it. And then, just a couple weeks ago, the Arizona Republican Party passed this resolution and I think, look, they're symbolic but they're important. In a certain way it's shifting the debate, it's putting pressure on our worthless politicians while at the same time giving them cover, worthless politicians, while at the same time giving them cover. I think it also frees up some of the people in the health freedom movement to hopefully start telling the truth. They kind of dance around the fact that these are weapons of mass destruction, and so hopefully that'll help move the needle there a little bit too.

Speaker 2: 8:19

The other thing that I and I'll just tell you, and then you can ask me questions, but the other thing that I've done is on on March 3rd, well, actually, let me back up. So and this did have influence, by the way these resolutions because you know, I think it did influence Dr Latipo and and the Florida Department of Health, on January 3rd halt for a halt to these injections. And our Surgeon General and this is on official bulletins from the Florida Department of Health on January 3rd halted for a halt to these injections. And our Surgeon General and this is on official bulletins from the Florida Department of Health basically says that these are unfit for human use and they're a threat to the human genome. And he used Dr Latipo's words that he said in interviews. He's actually described these injections to be the antichrist of drugs, but they're still on the market.

Speaker 2: 9:06

So what happened is in January I was going to get a county here in florida county party. Um, we didn't pass it last march in a certain county and what happened was we had a majority but not the two-thirds vote required, so we were supposed to bring it back up in january. What happened was the chairman of the party, like I, went and spoke to about 20 uh clubs that wants their presidents. About 17 of them were strongly in support. The chairman, you know he did a rope-a-dope, I mean didn't let it come up and I got a little upset about that. So I was already kind of planning on doing it and so what I did is I reached out to Karen Kingston. I asked her if I could use her research for the facts of the case that I use in this. So what I did is on.

Speaker 2: 9:49

I had well, in the summer I had to send our National Arm, national American Renaissance I'm on the board at National American Renaissance Movement, it's nationalarmorg and we had a grand jury, petitions with evidence and stuff. So we sent that in the summer. I sent it to all 67 county sheriffs and 20 state attorneys and the attorney general and the governor, and then I sent it again, certified mail, to the governor attorney general in October. No responses from anybody. And then what happened was I sent the final demand letter in February to the governor attorney general listing the crimes being violated, and no response. So then I filed what was called on March 3rd with the Supreme Court of Florida, what's called a writ of mandamus. Mandamus is Latin for weak command, and what this mandamus is trying to get the court to compel the governor to prohibit the distribution of these weapons of mass destruction, to get the attorney general to confiscate the vials and conduct a forensic analysis.

Speaker 2: 10:49

In that document too. It's a 74, 75-page document. I cite the state and federal biological weapons laws being violated. The state and federal domestic terrorism laws being violated. The state and federal treason laws being violated. The state murder law that's being violated. The state and federal treason law is being violated. The state murder law that's being violated. A state or adulterated drug product law is being violated. I even cite the accessory after the fact law, which you know. If you're shielding someone from prosecution or allowing a crime to continue, you're you know you're an accessory after the fact.

Speaker 2: 11:23

So what happened was the Supreme Court. They used their discretion and transferred it. We have concurrent jurisdiction in Florida between the Supreme Court, the appellate courts and our circuit courts for the four writs of mandamus. It's in our state constitution and so they transferred it on March 20th to the circuit court in Leon County, which is Tallahassee, its state capital, and on April 9th the circuit court dismissed it.

Speaker 2: 11:57

What the judge said was that you cannot use a writ of mandamus. Cannot use a writ of mandamus. You can only use it for discretionary duties, which would be something like the governor has to appoint someone to fill a vacancy within 60 days, like that kind of thing. And he also says you can't direct the manner of which they conduct their duties. So I filed a motion for reconsideration that was quickly denied. I filed a motion for rehearing they're slightly different in Florida that was also denied and then so I filed an appeal and it's in the appellate court now working on my appellate brief.

Speaker 2: 12:31

But in my motion for reconsideration, my motion for rehearing, what I do is I cite the case law which says that you can use a writ of mandamus to compel a discretionary duty if there's an abuse of duty. I'm going to argue that if we're getting disease, disability and death and masks because you're not enforcing these laws, there's an abuse of duty. And what I also do is I find case law supporting the use of writs of mandamus to protect constitutional rights as well, which again is a non-ministerial duty area. We're discretionary. Again. For instance, writs of mandamus have been used to protect your right to speedy trial, your right to trial by jury.

Speaker 2: 13:16

I found cases with civil rights, cases with segregation, where, like, say, a black guy wanted to go to college law school. Where, like, say, a black guy wanted to go to college law school, he used a writ of mandamus to be allowed into that law school and also founded it with restaurants, with segregation. So you can use writs of mandamus to protect constitutional rights. We also have case law in there, and this is Florida Supreme Court case law about, specifically, writs of mandamus, about what is a competent substantial evidence, and the evidence we put in this document that Karen put together well exceeds what will be called competent substantial evidence.

Speaker 2: 13:54

Now in the case law, if the respondents, which would be the governor or the attorney general, disagree with the facts of the case, then you're supposed to have a trial. Now, if the judge is disagreeing with the facts of the case, my argument is we're supposed to have a trial because he's not really supposed to do that, and so that's kind of where we're at. So with a mandamus, a judge is supposed to either accept it or dismiss it. He's either going to dismiss it he's going to grant what's called a preemptory mandamus, which means you win, and he's telling them they got to do what you're saying or he'll do what's called an alternative main damis, which means he's telling the respondents that they have to do what you're saying or tell us why you don't, which is what I was hoping for, because then we could end up in a full-blown trial if they dispute the facts.

Speaker 1: 14:52

So at the appellate court we'll see what they say. Well, I have to say, dr Sansone, that for a psychotherapist you seem to know your way around the law pretty well. Now, as far, as I understand you've actually drafted some of this legal paperwork and submitted it to the court.

Speaker 2: 15:09

Oh, I did it all. I, I'm pro, say I did it all. The only thing is, uh, in the original writ of may dame is a large portion of it, the section that's the facts of the case, which is dealing with all the studies and pharmaceutical documents and stuff. Karen kingston gave me that and that's like probably at least two-thirds of that document, if not more. But the rest of that document, the stuff I did, and then with the motion for reconsideration and motion for rehearing, I did that too. Look up the case law and all that kind of stuff, which isn't that hard. You just got to find the time to do it. You have to learn the civil procedures too.

Speaker 1: 15:40

That's the thing I mean. I do this podcast, I work full time as a nurse and try to keep the wheels on around here at the house. So how do you, how do you manage all of that in one, in one life? I'm not sure, do you have? I mean, you're still practicing.

Speaker 2: 16:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, the wheels are. You know I'm trying to keep the wheels on or fall off. You know I'm trying to keep them on, but uh, yeah, it's, you know it's. Uh, I guess, uh, I'm not having much recreational activity right now, um, cause I, you know, I try to write uh, one or two articles a week. I like to write too, but I'm so busy with my activism and the legal stuff that you know I've been the last couple weeks I've only done one article. But ideally I like to write a couple articles a week and do my weekly interview, but between the activism and everything else it's kind of been taking me a little away from that and the legal stuff. You know, because you know what will I be doing this weekend? I'll be looking over the case law, writing, working on my appellate brief, you know.

Speaker 2: 16:46

But you know, and I'm gonna, I tell you, I um, one of the things I found too is marbury versus madison, which is like a classic law legal case in that in that case it was a mandamus case. But the importance of that case is it brought us this concept of judicial review that was never challenged. Um, basically, the court uh decided that a law, a law that was passed by Congress and signed by the president. They said it was unconstitutional. And what's amazing about that is James Madison, who was a combat veteran from the Battle of Trenton, which was the turning point of the war. He was president at the time. He's also the father of the Constitution. He wrote the document basically and so he accepted that as president. But in that ruling Justice Marshall basically says a law repugnant to the Constitution is void. And that's really important to remind people about that case law, because that case law has never been challenged. It's still good case law. And he talks in there that a judge can't look at the law and ignore the Constitution. And that's part of my argument for my appeal here.

Speaker 2: 17:51

What's occurred is, you know the court has looked at the case law in a myopic way, because you look at it in a narrow way, in my opinion, because you can. You know the case law says you can do it with an abuse of authority but ignoring the Constitution. And the thing about it is in our Florida Constitution they basically codified the Declaration of Independence, the part about where we're talking about life and liberty. So it's right and we have what's called the basic rights in our Constitution kind of echoes the bill of rights and you know it talks, but they have the parts from the declaration of independence there. So you know your right to your to enjoy your life and defend your life are in there. And so if you can use a writ of main damis to enforce the 14th amendment equal rights under the law kind of thing I'm thinking you can use it to stop, you know, letting somebody kill innocent unsuspecting Floridians. I might be on a limb on that. I don't know. What do you think?

Speaker 1: 18:55

Well, I think that it's very overwhelming for people in general, and I recently read and actually printed out this article you wrote about. Well, it refers to Dante Alighieri's medieval work, the Divine Comedy, and Abandon All Hope Ye who Enter, and I wanted your thoughts on this learned helplessness, and I wanted to just ask you because there's so many people who, I think, believe that it's just apathy that keeps people from getting involved in doing something, and I'm not convinced. I think that you really hit on something here with the learned helplessness. So did you want to expand on that a little?

Speaker 2: 19:46

I think that there's a little conditioning going on to train people that this is okay, it's acceptable and there's nothing you could do about it except your fate, it's hopeless, and so on. You've had a lot of you know, there's multiple levels of psyops that's been done on us, anything from saying these pharmaceutical companies have liability protection and they're immune. You know, under the eua and all that you know none of that's true.

Speaker 2: 20:12

None of that's true, because fraud negates any liability shield. Fraud negates a liability shield. So if you're telling me something's safe and effective, people are getting disease, disability and death. That's fraud. Um, also, they violated. They violated their contracts. They didn't honor the contracts anyway. And it's really important, too, that people look at. People need to really understand the emergency powers clause of the United States Constitution. Oh wait, there isn't one. Ok, so there goes your emergency use authorization so we don't get to deviate from the Constitution. Ok, so that's a lie. You talk to people a lie and it's important to keep people believing in these lies because you know, remember, power exists under your illusion of power. Even you know people. I like to say one of the biggest lies ever been told is that the pen is mightier than the sword. The people telling you that have the sword backing up their pen.

Speaker 2: 21:05

The pen is mightier than the sword. The people telling you that have the sword backing up their pen All right, within a proper context. Yeah, you want to use your intelligence and finesse rather than brute force? Yeah, ok, that's OK. But the way they've sold that to people, I hear people out there saying, well, do this and that, but you'll always remain peaceful, and it's like, well, no, we're going to have a series of escalations until we win. They're trying to destroy the human race. We're not going to let that happen.

Speaker 2: 21:30

Now, I'm not telling people to be stupid either, but asymmetrical warfare requires asymmetrical resistance. So, you know, with the learned helplessness, I think they've conditioned people in a lot of ways to look at this. You know, you remember when you were a kid and you had your Thanksgiving given day football game against your rival town next door and it was like a grudge match and even if you lost, it was like. You know you stuck at home. You know it was like a. You know you had your pride and they've trained people to think like that. This, this isn't a game, this is, this is mass murder. Um, you know. So, yeah, I think that's a problem.

Speaker 2: 22:02

I think we've also got a diffusion, but I mean part of it's. They're telling people you can't do anything, even with the PrEP Act and all this stuff. Again, we've got to force them to enforce the Constitution, because that is the highest law. But I think there's also a diffusion of responsibility. That kind of gets mixed in here too with the learned helplessness. And, by the way, just interrupt me at any point if you go if I'm missing.

Speaker 1: 22:26

I was gonna say, I mean, I I'm familiar with learned helplessness and martin seligman, but I wonder if you could um, you know, because of your profession if you could explain a little bit to the audience the what that actually looks?

Speaker 2: 22:41

yeah, sure, so, in a nutshell, um, they did these really compassionate experiments with dogs and I'm being sarcastic and um, like. So they um, basically made it inescapable for the for the dogs to escape the pain, uh, and so, like there was no way to avoid the pain, they get a shock. They had it. It was like an inescapable route, and so they get a shock, and once the dogs realize there's no escape, they would just sit there and take the shock, and after a couple minutes, they'd stop shocking them. Um, so it's like if they went this way or that way, either way they're gonna get in shock. There's no escape, right? Uh, and then, um, uh, then the other dogs they had would be, they would get, they would have an easy route to escape, and once they learned it, they'd actually learn it quicker each time, and sometimes not even get shocked.

Speaker 2: 23:33

And what happened, though, is, in future experiments is like when the dogs did stumble upon, like other experiments, where, later on, the group that had the inescapable shock in the beginning beginning they, uh, even when there was a path out, didn't take it. Or, a couple times, even when they stumbled upon the way of avoiding the shock, they didn't repeat it. So it was like a learned helplessness that occurred there. Am I saying that properly? I think basically that's basically not okay, right that.

Speaker 1: 24:01

That's my understanding and the pertinence it's cross species too.

Speaker 2: 24:06

It's cross species too, uh, aaron, you know, because it uh, multiple species. Uh, you know, it was displayed on rats, but you know, interestingly, rats it was difficult to get the similar response, so rats, I guess, are more resourceful than we are. But, uh, you know so and I think that's what they've done with people. You know, no matter what you're going to get pain, you get this dog and pony show with the republicans and democrats. Like you know, the democrats create these problems. Republicans campaign on fixing it, this and that, and they get in there. Oh, there's nothing we can do. Obamacare is the law of the land, or you know? Um, no, we can't seal the borders, this, and so it's like no matter what, you lose yeah, I do.

Speaker 1: 24:46

I do like how you um emphasized in your article, even though with this um learned helplessness of never seeing. Really, no matter what we do, we don't seem to get anywhere. But there's also that, like you, like you said, there's that responsibility and so the ability to see through the the fog and the difficulty of staying motivated. Uh, it can be a really challenge, it can really be challenging. But also people that just want to throw up their hands and say that well, we've tried've tried it.

Speaker 1: 25:25

The politics are all messed up. I mean, I personally, red team, blue team constantly at each other's throats saying all kinds of things, but everything seems to keep on moving towards a technocratic, globalist movement more and more every day. But the focus that you had on starting in your own county, I've been trying to encourage people to see the forest for the trees and also try to look at what's within their actual field of agency, what do they actually have control over in their lives, and trying to take one little bite at a time. Not everybody's going to be able to write the legislation or not the legislation, but the legal paperwork and submit that to the court, like you have. But there are things people can be doing and and being able to recognize that this is being done. As a psyop, this learned helplessness and not succumbing to that.

Speaker 2: 26:31

Yeah, so well, let's say, let's look at that and probably, if you want to do a follow-up interview, I can connect you with Dan Schultz with Precinct Strategy. But the Precinct Strategy in a nutshell is to get regular America first, people which loosely we could say, that is, people that aren't insane right now, to get them to join their county level Republican Party, and I don't mean just registering to vote. So let me just say how it's laid out in Florida. It's similar in most states, slightly different here and there, but in Florida we have 67 counties. The executive committee member makes up your county executive committee. So each executive committee member represents a precinct from their precinct within their county. So the way we're set up, you represent at least 1,000 people, anywhere from 1,000 to a few thousand depending. So those people make up your executive committee and then they'll elect a board and you get like a four member board and then you get two state committee people so they're called precinct committee men and precinct committee women that represent those precincts. And then you elect two state committee people. They go on to ballot the actual ballot for the county. So the precinct people. You go on the ballot if it's contested, but usually these spots are vacant ballot for the county, so the precinct people you go on the ballot if it's contested, but usually these spots are vacant. That's part of what Dan's strategy is About. 40 percent of these slates are vacant. So literally you fill out the paperwork, you get sworn in and then you get voted in at a meeting from the members that are present at the meeting, and so it's like one night a month you go there for a couple hours and you participate. I mean, your level of involvement depends on your time and what else you can do.

Speaker 2: 28:24

But the idea is to take over the machinery of the party from the bottom up, because from that county the county chairperson and the two state committee people, those three people represent the county at, in our case, the Republican Party of Florida, rpof, and so 67 counties and those three people from 67 counties make up the state party governing body. So the executive committee is the governing body of the county Republican Party and then the statewide executive committee is the governing body of the state party and then they elect their board and so on. So the idea is to take it over from within, because 40 percent across the country, not just in Florida 40, because Dan's in Arizona. He's the one who I got. I asked to introduce it in Arizona and he got a pass, and 40 percent of these slots are vacant. So that's something people can do. They can just basically steamroll into the party. Now, I'm not telling you it's going to be easy. Now, that's the strategy, and then you get into the tactics of it, learning the rules and that kind of thing. But it's a basic strategy. There's no guarantee that it'll work, but it certainly won't work if you don't do it. But look, they're pushing back against it. So in Florida they're doing a lot of authoritarian things to try to keep the party top down because we've been successful with this strategy. But you know it's a strategy to do.

Speaker 2: 29:48

The other thing is, though I wanted to just mention is the diffusion of responsibility. The psych, the social psychologists you know, they're all kind of little nuts, right, they're not as crazy as the psychiatrists, but they're there, you know. And the social psychologists, they do those experiments You've probably seen them before, given your background where they'd have a guy lying on the steps at City Hall in a busy urban area. People just keep walking by and nobody even stops to see if the guy's okay. Finally, after like 100 people, someone will say, hey, you all right, that kind of thing.

Speaker 2: 30:23

But then they do it in a more rural area where there's not as many people around. Somebody's lying on the side of the road, you know, you stop. Hey, you all right, it's the normal thing to do. Right, uh, and and uh. But in a more populated area, everybody's kind of their, their idea, was that everybody has this idea that someone else will help them. You know someone, you know because, and so I think I think we're seeing a little bit of that too um, a diffusion of responsibility going on, like people are expecting someone else to do it. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 30:48

short break here. I asked dr sansone who he might want to feature for the subtle cane spotlight and he gave me two names dr anna mccalshaw and karen king Kingston. Both talented individuals have been fighting against medical tyranny and speaking out along the lines of their professions To bring perspective to the arena of ideas. Links to their work will be found in the show notes. Let's get back to it. It certainly does, yeah, and I mean I can't say that I haven't been guilty of that, but I try to do what I can in my own way. One of those ways is obviously doing this show and trying to get information out to people. But it can be. It can be very like depressing and just defeated. Depressing and just defeated. You can get really defeated If you're glued to your social media, if you're glued to your um television news or or whatever that the programming is inescapable. When you are plugged into all that stuff and uh turn off your TV.

Speaker 2: 31:54

Turn off your. Tv start listening to subtle cane and you'll be good. So, uh, listen seriously, though. Um, let's talk about that because, uh, what I tell people?

Speaker 2: 32:06

uh, boy, good things, go back, go and read the bhagat vegita. That's a good book. Uh, you know, it's a hindu book, it's a good book. But it's really about attachment, non-attachment.

Speaker 2: 32:14

You know, what I tell people to do is focus on the actions, not so much on the results. So if you're playing a game of basketball, you want to be looking at the scoreboard every two minutes. Once in a while you check the scoreboard to get a sense of where you are. But you need to focus on the game and I think people need to focus on their actions, not as much on the results. I mean, obviously, you need to monitor whether you're being effective or not and adjust as necessary, but it's really about the excellence or the mastery over what you're doing, not so much the outcome. You know I could play, you could play a wonderful game of tennis and you know a big breeze could come and a ball could go out, or a judge could just make a bad call and you know it was on the line he calls it out. You know there's nothing you can do about that. The only thing you can do is work on your form and your function, and I think that's where people need to focus on is the actions that don't get attached to the results as much.

Speaker 2: 33:11

Now, the other side of what you're saying I get people are overwhelmed, but when you're overwhelmed, chunk it down. Focus again. Focus on what's in front of you. You don't have to do everything, but everybody should do their part where they're at to fight this, since this is about the future existence of the human race and maybe people need to reframe how they're looking at this. So, okay, apparently we've all signed up. You know, we're all incarnated right now. We've all signed up for this early 21st century dystopian nightmare reality.

Speaker 2: 33:39

But in a sense, you know, this is the best opportunity that anybody can be confronted with you and I and everybody else listening. Right now we have the opportunity to defeat global genocide. We literally have the opportunity to save the human race. If that doesn't wake you up, what will? On the other side, either you and or people you know and love have been raped, they've been violated, they're getting turbo cancers, they're getting heart conditions, they're getting strokes, they're getting autoimmune diseases because of these injections. If that doesn't give you an authentic anger to to motivate you and an authentic anger is different than uh, you know one that you've learned through a script or something like that. It's it's solution focus. You know, uh, if that doesn't do it for you, then you're already a zombie.

Speaker 1: 34:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:40

And so wake up. I'm going to tell you right now that the other thing is part of the PSYOP on the learned helplessness. They got people thinking there's these white hats out there going to rescue. No, listen, there's 360 million people in this country right now, and I believe I'm the only one with litigation trying to force their governor to take these off the market. If that's the case, which I believe it is, unless the censorship, I don't know about something else, but if that's the case, I'm telling you right now there is nobody out there that is going to save you.

Speaker 1: 35:11

You need to get up and do it yourself. Yeah, that's sage advice and some that I take to heart and I'm looking at more closely. I gave an assignment after my last episode with James Roguski to please look at whatever is going on in your local community, find out who in your local community was responsible for the mask, mandates, the injections, the coercion for injections and things like that. Now, as a Christ follower, my suggestion was to forgive them and pray for them, but that doesn't mean forgive and forget. That means forgive them and don't work out of a place of animosity and hatred. And don't work out of a place of animosity and hatred. Work out of a constructive place of trying to accomplish something that does need to be done and that is sharing the truth and not being afraid to speak up when people around you think differently, but being graceful about it and gracious about it and being able to have that conversation.

Speaker 1: 36:24

I know there seems to be in the alternative media or in the truther movement, if we could give it that nomenclature of people who are either outraged and it's not just these two groups, but there's a lot of outrage and, um you know, vengeful, and there's also a lot of apathy, which which we addressed with the learned helplessness, but trying to mitigate the, the emotional attachment to the anger and being able to constructively move forward, because you know, obviously if you're yelling at people and I, I can see that the therapeutic approach, but understanding that that is righteous anger to have when people are being hurt that are innocent and unaware of what's happening.

Speaker 2: 37:18

Well, you know, in transactional analysis which you know it's not as popular today as it was in the past, but they talk about authentic emotions versus racket emotions. You know, you know a racket emotions, you're playing a little subconscious game so you could use the negative energy and emotion, you know. You know somebody said something that triggered you and you're thinking about something that happened that they did like two years ago and that kind of thing versus authentic emotion, authentic angers. You know, you're in the park with your nephews and someone tries to abduct them. You get angry and fight off the assailants. That's an authentic anger, that is solution focused. You should be authentically angered by what's occurred here and if that's going to motivate you to take action because on one level, this will not stop until that county commissioner, that city council person, is more afraid of us than they are, than they are their masters uh, because, let's face it, half of these people and it goes down pretty low it's not just the people at the top. They're being blackmailed, intimidated or bribed or a combination of. But one thing I want to say too, is because now I'm a little more private with my Christianity than others are. But let me say this though People that are looking the other way right now. They're denying Christ. There's no other way to look at it. In my view, these churches uh, these priests, these pastors and aren't speaking on this. They're denying christ. Because you know what? There's one thing you know what? I could identify as a woman. That doesn't make me a woman. I could identify as a christian. That doesn't make me a Christian. So how many people are speaking out right now? How many people are actively working to stop this? And I know there's some people and this goes into the learned helplessness and the apathy thing there's some people out there saying, oh, it's too late this, and that I understand why they're saying that, because 100% of the population has contaminated blood right now because of the Shedek.

Speaker 2: 39:19

And you can look at the work of my colleague, dr Anna Mahalchia. She's an MD with a PhD in pathology, so she knows what she's looking at through a microscope and she does her dark field microscopy and she'll show you. You'll see the self-assembling technology in the unvaccinated. She literally specializes in her clinic with the injuries to the unvaccinated from the shedding. But people need to understand that, according to doctors like Dr Vila, who's treating 3,500 vaccine injured patients up in the villages because all the other doctors around there are gaslighting these people. The villages is like the country. It's the largest senior community in the country. It's a pretty big area there in central Florida. She's treating about 3,500 vaccine injured patients there.

Speaker 2: 40:00

I have air quotes of her vaccine because she'll tell you it's a biological weapon and she's told me, and so have other doctors are treating a lot of patients. She's telling me that everybody that got shot has a damaged immune system. They got an autoimmune disease. And she doesn't mean like lupus or something, she means it's its own autoimmune disease. And she doesn't mean like lupus or something, she means it's its own autoimmune disease. And she's looking at like their cd8 levels or cd4 levels, things like that. And and the only reason and this isn't to like frighten people, but it's an important point to make the people, everybody. They've baited us like insects, right, but every time someone gets boosted when they're shedding this technology, they're they're harming the people that have already been injected more. Let's say, you got two shots and you stop. Well, someone else is getting injected. They're now shedding on you. You've already got a damaged immune system. So the people that have already got shots are the most susceptible to what they're throwing at them. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 40:55

It does. Yeah, I haven't covered shedding much, but I know you just recently spoke, or relatively recently spoke, to Dr Peter McCullough and he also confirms and he's the most published cardiologist ever.

Speaker 2: 41:16

Well, it's in Pfizer's own documents. If you go to if you, I remember early on I was reading the documents that I stopped. But if you go to phmptorg which I'm sure you've been to if you go, look at some of those original pfizer documents. When they first uh, that's a canadian physicians and transparency group. I'm not sure how they got a texas court to force pfizer to start releasing data, but every month they give a data dump and, like I remember reading those documents, like in late 2021, I think it was about the, the shedding. It's right in Pfizer's documents.

Speaker 2: 41:49

If I got that shot and I go home and my pregnant wife through skin or respiratory contact. She could have a miscarriage because of the shedding. So this isn't, like some you know, pie in the pie in the sky thing. It's right in pfizer's own documents. In fact, if you look in the writ of mandamus, we've we've got a lot of stuff there to karen put together. She's even got screenshots of the from their websites talking about how this stuff alters your gene and so it's basically a software platform.

Speaker 1: 42:35

The mispris misconception about uh liability and and why they're not actually shielded from liability I I find that absolutely fascinating and it stands up uh every everything that I've looked into um that that she's said, that I that I've been interested in I haven't seen a misstep. She's a.

Speaker 2: 42:59

if you want to send me an email, I'll forward it.

Speaker 1: 43:02

I'll connect you Well thank you, doctor, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2: 43:05

You might want to interview Dr Anna too, although she does video a lot, but she can do audio with you, I'm sure.

Speaker 1: 43:13

I'm going to try and get myself up into the 21st century here and start doing video. I been I've been scolded even by a couple of uh fellow podcasters to get your act together and get that video going um, that's all right, karen will like it, because if her hair's not, you know she wants to wear better hair, it uh.

Speaker 2: 43:33

But uh, that's all right. Listen, I got a flip phone, so I'm not going to fault you.

Speaker 1: 43:38

I got this. I wanted to just for people to understand how, how backwards this stuff and how much what Pfizer is doing, what the FDA is doing, things like don't actually match reality. I printed this out the fact sheet for recipients and caregivers about Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine 2023 to 2024 formula, which has emergency use authorization. Now think about that. This is for an individual six months to 11 years of age these babies, to these young adolescents. It says right here I printed it right off of the FDA's website. It's from Pfizer BioNTech.

Speaker 1: 44:30

It says that we are currently experiencing a pandemic. It says the FDA decision is based on the totality of the scientific evidence available showing that the product may be effective to prevent COVID-19 during the COVID-19 pandemic and that the known potential benefits of the product outweigh the known and potential risks of the product. All of these criteria must be met to allow for the product to be used under EUA during the COVID-19 pandemic. This is for 2023, 2024 for these kids. And it says right in the document all of these criteria must in legal speak you know this must means must. It doesn't mean should. It says it must be effective to prevent COVID-19 and the potential benefits in the product outweigh the known and potential risks of the product. I have stacks of peer-reviewed medical journals, articles that are open and in-depth, explaining all of these potential risks, and we have now data on all of these known risks. We're not in a pandemic.

Speaker 1: 45:47

The government has even officially acknowledged that. We know they don't prevent COVID-19. They've officially declared that, and so this EUA is in effect for the duration, justifying the use of this product until terminated or revoked. Why isn't it terminated or revoked? I want to understand this doctor. This does get me upset, because these are little children that are being injured and killed because they can't even dot their own I's and cross their own T's, and I don't understand. How is this legal? Yet?

Speaker 2: 46:23

So on page 18 and page 19, I think it is of the writ of mandamus we've got. You know, Karen had put screenshots in there from the FDA showing misinformation for Pfizer vaccine effectiveness, misinformation for Mod vaccine effectiveness, Misinformation for Moderna vaccine effectiveness. So I mean they know it's not effective. I'll tell you what the recent studies have come out. I can't cite the name of it, but I was just literally talking about it with a doctor, a medical doctor, a friend of mine. You know, the more shots you get, the more likely you are to get COVID and that's because they're damaging your immune system. Listen, if you're giving they're giving these to children.

Speaker 2: 47:06

At this point there's no plausible deniability. I think that anybody that gives someone a shot right now should be prosecuted. You give these to kids? You should be prosecuted. I think, right now, doctors that are gaslighting patients and not treating them and admitting to them that they're injured from these injections should be prosecuted. I think they're committing crimes. I think they're gaslighting people. I can tell you right now because we had an event back on March 15th where Dr Anna presented via Zoom, but Dr Vila was there and others, but it was mainly we had a lot of vaccine quote, unquote vaccine injured patients there speaking, and I'm going to tell you right now, some of these people here are looking for states where they can go to for assisted suicide, because they are not being treated and nobody's helping them, like you know, because they're running out of money, they're losing their insurance, you know, and so on, and I get it. That happens with a lot of people. But you know, the bottom line is they were violated, they were lied to. Now you're violating these kids and again, going back to what the Florida Department of Health on an official bulletin, is saying, the Surgeon General General, Dr Latipo, is saying is these are a threat to the human genome.

Speaker 2: 48:22

We do not know what. We don't know what's encapsulated in these engineered nanoparticles, we don't know what they're, what's in that delivery system and we don't know if future generated because you know it could get passed on to offspring that's what it looks like from my understanding and so we don't know if, you know, future generations of human beings will become sterile. You know I had spoken with Dr Rima Labow because I interviewed a couple of times and you know I talked to her and she, you know she's a psychiatrist but you know more holistic, she doesn't do drugs or anything. And she pointed out that what's going on right now to a large extent is basically all this Huxley's Brave New World, If you go read the first three or four chapters of that.

Speaker 2: 49:11

Basically what they're doing is they're experimenting on the human race and their eugenicists and their, um, you know, eventually they want to just have people born, probably through a test tube or something, and, um, they'll keep some of us around for spare parts and you know, the rest of us are going to get rid of, and you know, and some of us will be slaves, I guess.

Speaker 2: 49:33

But, um, you know, it just has a transhumanist spin on it because, these psychopathic, these psychopathic authoritarian ends, um, want to live forever, and they're trying to merge humanity with technology, and that's what the transhumanist agenda is, and I think, um, it's the ultimate faustian deception too, aaron, because if you're, you know if there's, if they succeeded, they'd be dumb enough to trap themselves in this dimension forever. So the devil just stole your soul, you idiot. Um, so it's like you know, and so I was thinking of writing a book. Uh, you know, somebody's gonna steal my title, because I keep telling, saying this. But, um, I've written an article with my this title in the past, though, but you're gonna die, get over it. I mean, then, just reverse engineer your life, because that's a fact. Now.

Speaker 2: 50:21

One thing I can tell you, though, is that nonexistence is an illusion. You can only conceive of nonexistence while you're in existence. It's a cosmic joke. It just goes, based on our idea of watching the sun rise and set. We want a beginning and end to everything, and you know, you'll just, you might change form, you're, you're, you might be in a different dimension. We might call heaven, you know that kind of thing. But nonexistence is an illusion, and for you know the science geeks out there it's not a provable scientific hypothesis. It can't be tested in any way. You can only conceive of nonexistence while you're in existence.

Speaker 1: 51:20

Yeah, I'm reading, I think are really pointing to some of the psychopathic totalitarianism that you talk about and are actively engaged in fighting. How does that look in your perspective? What is this psychopathic totalitarianism from your professional standpoint? Psychopathic totalitarianism in from your professional standpoint, what? What are you just to describe that or flesh that out a little bit?

Speaker 2: 52:05

Well, you know, I don't know, maybe you can help me get PAD added into the DSM psychopathic authoritarian disorder. Because here's, here's the thing We've got. You know, I'll call people on the left, I'll call them communists, you know, and then people on the left might call some of the people on the right fascists. There's maybe a little truth to certain elements of each, you know, on each side there. And then you got, I mean, I'm right of center, but you've got this kind of technocratic thing that they're trying to emerge. So, you know, you could get caught up in the nuances. You know, to me it looks like just a, like a hybrid form of marxism and fascism, you know, you know, because fascism is corporatism, right, and. But you know, what we have today certainly isn't capitalism but, um, because in a real capitalist world, you know, you play king of the hill, but you know, the big guy gets knocked down. Nobody's too big to fail. I, I like the term psychopathic authoritarianism because it just kind of covers all of it. It's not, um, getting too caught up in the uh nuances of, oh, this isn't really marxism or this isn't really fascist. You know it's. We're dealing with people here and I think it's important for people to recognize this. Because what were the nazis? They were psychopathic authoritarians. What were the soviets? They were psychopathic authoritarian. What were the malice? They were psychopathic authoritarians. Because these are people who do things that are unspeakable to us. Right, they would, they would, um, you know, um, they, they put, they did experiment on people while they're murdering them, you know, and they're doing these experiments, turning people into lampshades. You know things like that. You know putting a monkey's brain in a human being, that kind of thing. And why would people do things like that?

Speaker 2: 53:41

It's real easy to get caught up in the naivety of thinking. Other people think like you do. So everybody on this planet exists at a different field of consciousness, a different level of spiritual growth, and how you interpret, understand experience and reality is based on that prevailing level of spiritual growth at the time. That's why you get, you know people, you get these teachers out there, you get someone like a Christ or even a Buddha. You know sort of Christ is out there giving a teaching and I'm sitting there listening to it and recontextualizing it to my level of understanding. That's why great teachers teach things that speak on multiple levels, but so it's really easy to sit there and say, well, why would they do that? That's so stupid. Well, let me ask you this question, aaron why would they do that? That's so stupid. Well, let me ask you this question, aaron why would the Nazis kill their slave labor force? That wasn't that bright, but that's where the level of consciousness was coming from Well you can sit there and say why would you have a slave labor force?

Speaker 2: 54:36

Yeah, I'm not going to argue with you, but you know so I and that's an extreme example. But I can sit here and say well, why would you know, why would they do that? That's dumb. Well, because that's where they're coming from.

Speaker 1: 54:47

Yeah, and well, I think, I think and uh this is one of the things that M Scott Peck's points out in his book that what we, what we have, unfortunately, is a problem calling evil what it is and and understanding that evil is a thing. It does exist. Now, how do you approach that and how do you digest that? And you know so. Like I said, as a Christ follower, I see it as anti-Christ. You're, dr Latipo, saying that this vaccine quote unquote vaccine or this biological weapon is anti-Christ and not the anti-Christ in some sense of the kind of characterized or caricaturized persona, but in the sense that it is anti Christ. And, like you said, you, you are, you're denying Christ by not doing something or saying something, or trying to at least acknowledge evil for what it is.

Speaker 2: 55:50

Yeah, I agree, it's evil. Now I could tell you, you know, at a certain level of spiritual development, like you get to this non duality place where it's kind of beyond good and evil. People kind of misunderstand that and think it's somehow amoral. It's not, it's just recognizing things for what they are, without the judgment of it. Because if you look at God as an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent being, it all exists within God.

Speaker 2: 56:17

But I think evil is a practical, workable thing and I think it's real, certainly at the level that we're talking at right now, where we're at, we're in it. Is it meant to happen? Yeah, because it's real, certainly at the level that we're talking at right now, where we're at, um, we're in it. Um, is it meant to happen? Yeah, because it's happening. Are we meant to fight against it? Yeah, because we are. Uh, and I'm gonna say we're meant to win eventually.

Speaker 2: 56:37

Now, whether I'll be alive to see that or not, I don't know, but um, because this is, I think this is going to last a long time. Um, I think that this battle that we that's begun, you know, it's about the future existence of the human race and our species. You know, basically, this is an extinction-level event. We've never faced this in history, where basically, the people that control the levers of power within government, business etc. Are trying to to exterminate, depopulate our planet, and, um, that I would say that's evil. Um, I don't know how to define that. And uh, but uh, I think, yeah, I think it's okay, I, I call it evil because it is um, and I guess that's what I'm doing when I call it psychopathic authoritarianism in my own way. Um, because I think that that encapsulates it. Uh, you know, um, yeah, yeah, but it is evil. What would you, what would we, what could we possibly describe it as? It's certainly not what we would call the good, and um, I think you know, everybody has to do their part.

Speaker 2: 57:46

I guess you know. If you want to go sit there and wait for all the claps, you can do that. I'm going to meet the challenge and I challenge other people to meet the challenge. Other people should be filing injunctions, mandamuses, either against your sheriff, against your governors. There should be litigation all over the place. I'm going to tell you the benefit of doing a pro se. Yeah, attorneys are attorneys are afraid of the bar. Well one, you're not going to get leaded out of all your money, you know. I mean you'll pay the filing fees and use your time and that kind of thing. Attorneys are afraid of the bar, they're afraid of losing their licenses.

Speaker 2: 58:22

In Florida I have a friend that ran for state attorney. So we have our attorney general and then some places have county district attorneys. Like for each county we have what are called state attorneys. They cover like three or four counties. So I have a friend of mine who ran for state attorney here.

Speaker 2: 58:35

He lost in a Republican primary and the Florida Bar is trying to suspend his license for 60 days. They were trying to get longer but the referee in the case recommended 60 days and so that'll go in front of the Supreme Court in the fall, but over political speech in a campaign, nothing to do with his law license, nothing to do with his practice of law, and it wasn't a nonpartisan judicial race where they have strict rules over it. And so you know I'm going to tell you right now, attorneys are afraid of the bar and you're better off just doing it pro se. And and the hardest part of it is really learning the civil procedure and learning you know the system, how to you know cause most of these States now you can submit this stuff electronically and do your filings that way and you know it just takes a little legwork but it's not as hard as people think. But I think that needs to happen all over the place.

Speaker 1: 59:33

Yeah, you were talking earlier about breaking things down into smaller pieces, chunking it down, yeah, chunk it down whenever you want. So how would somebody, let's say, approach doing what you're doing, even from a smaller level, where you're just starting to look into what? How did you start? What was the path you took? You didn't just, you know, start writing the court documents. You had to start just with the local people.

Speaker 2: 1:00:08

Well, like I said, I got really upset in January when the—oh, I didn't finish that story so I diverted myself. I did it last year. So in January I was going to try to get this county to pass the bandage ad resolution and then I told you that I got upset because they did a rope-a-dopeope on me. The chairman did a rope-a-dope on me and then he didn't let me bring it up. Uh, I can't really argue. It's not my county. I would have been a guest speaker. But so, uh, about two weeks ago he died suddenly. Now I know why he was fighting against it cognitive dissonance, I guess. Um, but he was sitting on a park bench and just started gurgling and fell over. You know they're killing innocent people. You know some of them are stupid but they're killing them. But yeah, so that's just. You know, cognitive dissonance, I guess, in that case. And so when I did the original band of jab resolution, I was kind of thinking I'd be. I was thinking either an injunction or something. I figured eventually I'd have to do something because they weren't going to listen. I mean, I was hoping they would. And what happened with May Demas? It just came at me. From a few different ways I've had people telling me I'm stupid for using a May Demas for this purpose. But you know what, when the judge dismissed it, you know somebody I'm not going to say it was somebody did a hit piece on me about it. And you know what? I literally was having a conversation actually with the attorney I just mentioned to you, like the night before I got the ruling, and I said to him I said, well, you know, the only thing I could see them doing is they're going to kick it out, is they're going to say that I'm trying to compel them to do a non-discretionary duty, or then tell them how to do it. And so I probably should have left off the part about the forensic analysis and just kept it with prohibiting the distribution and confiscating the files. But I mean they would have found a reason anyway. But what, what? So I just I started there and main Damus, like three different people in conversations, main Damus came up over a series of months about things to maybe do with this, totally unconnected people, they don't know each other, and then so I just like, all right, I guess that's where I have to go. But here's how you get started Do a lot of copy and pasting.

Speaker 2: 1:02:19

So that document we got that's public record. So just do a lot of copy. You got a lot of facts and the facts of the case part of it. Just do a lot of copy. You got a lot of facts and the facts of the case part of it. Just do a lot of copy and pasting.

Speaker 2: 1:02:28

Um, when you're looking up, you know the law.

Speaker 2: 1:02:30

Um, unless you go, if you can go to your like law library at your county government and you can look up case law and see that it's you can what's called shepherdizing you can see it's got like a red flag or not a green flag that lets you know it's still good.

Speaker 2: 1:02:43

Um, but you can kind of do that through Google Scholar because you can see, like you can look up who cited it and so, if I'm looking up a law, a case law from 1954 and I see it was, you know, cited in 2018, it's most likely still valid case law. It hasn't been overturned, you know. So you can do that because you know you can find. You know, I literally found main damuses from like the 20s that were used to enforce segregation and then later on I found them used to, you know, to to fight against it so you know you might make sure the case law is relevant, but a lot of it's just just doing, you know, doing a little research, and it's a lot of copy and pasting, because if somebody writes up a good brief, you don't need to reinvent the wheel either.

Speaker 1: 1:03:33

So I wanted to give you an opportunity to just get your information out there. So where can people find you and what are you working on? Right now? That needs help, and I also like to do a Subtle Cane Spotlight. I call it, and I give people an opportunity to say this other person is doing something as well that I really appreciate, and then I'll spotlight that person on your behalf as well as put all your information in there for people to support you and to follow your work. So where are you at?

Speaker 2: 1:04:12

Well, right now I'm working on my appellate brief. I got a Twitter. I'm at PhD Sansone but I'm not too active on there. I mean, I put stuff on there, but really it's all my Substack josephsansonesubstack, my sub stack, josephsansonesubstackcom, it's josephsansonesubstackcom, uh, and, and I'll put articles out there and do interviews and I put updates on my, uh, court stuff there and I guess they have a new direct message feature in there. Um, so, people, can you know, uh, direct message me if they. I'll try to get back to people. You know, I try to get back to people. It's hard to keep up sometimes, but I do read them. So that's, yeah, my Substack.

Speaker 2: 1:04:49

I would say Karen Kingston and her Substack is karenkingstoncom and Dr Anna Mahalchia and that's annamahalchiamdphdsubstackcom. Both of them are recommendations on my Substack. So, mahalchia, you might not spell it right, but you'll see her under my recommendations. Dr Mahalchia has been doing extraordinary primary research showing the I mean she literally documented over a year ago the self-assembling technology in the blood of people, creating these blue fibers that become the biosynthetic blood clots that everybody's seeing. Creating these blue fibers that become the biosynthetic blood clots that everybody's seeing. And I don't know if I mentioned in the beginning and it's because I did an interview earlier. I might have been in that one, but she in that video and I think it's out on her Rumble it's called Darkfield Microscopy Crimes Against Humanity and you know she got the blood clots from Richard Hirschman the embalmer and she documents the self-assembling technology in the blood from a cadaver that's eight months old, and so she's been doing extraordinary primary research, blowing the whistle on the shedding and the self-assembling technology, because these are biological and technological weapons, so I'd spotlight both of them.

Speaker 1: 1:06:05

Thank you very much. Do you have any last words? Would you like to share anything or try to give some encouragement, or or keep us? Yeah, you're going to die.

Speaker 2: 1:06:15

Get over it. So don't be a wuss. And you got a choice you can grovel on your knees like a coward or you can stand up like a man or woman and stop global genocide. All right.

Speaker 1: 1:06:26

That's again sage advice, and thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate that, dr Sansone, and I hope that we can speak again and I will reach out to you about those contacts because I'd love to talk to them Absolutely. Thank you for having me Learned helplessness is a form of hopelessness. It is the product of finding no relief or justice, despite our best efforts to overcome the challenges we face. It is imperative that each of us seek the good things in life and find ways that we can act effectively to bring about positive outcomes and change. There are things that we can do to adjust our lives and be more independent and freer.

Speaker 1: 1:07:08

I don't know about you, but I take my hope from my faith. There are times when I find myself doubting and anxious to be sure, but the comfort and peace that passes understanding is always there for me to reach out and grab in an act of divine surrender. We must look deep into our lives and differentiate between what is blissful ignorance and faith. Yes, in the end I believe that all the schemes of man are vanity and grasping for the win, but that does not exclude me from the responsibility to act out my faith in the real world. And so I end with this quote by author and psychotherapist M Scott Peck we must accept responsibility for a problem before we can solve it.

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We cannot solve a problem by saying it's not my problem. We cannot solve a problem by hoping that someone else will solve it for us. I can solve a problem only when I say this is my problem and it's up to me to solve it. For all you listening, you are valued, you are loved and you are worthy. God bless and good night. Fire's lit, let the embers glow and be done with it. I'm startled by my lack of fear as the world I love turns to ashes here and the dancing flames are so alive.