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Ethan Hoover & Matthew Maher define terms and dive into what the progressive gospel is, where it came from, and why it's important to know and look out for. Join them in this detailed discussion!
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You are listening to research, a podcast aimed at instigating Christians to be Christian. Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to read church podcast where we inspire conscience and instigate convictions. So people in today's church may truly know God and His Word, and show God to those around them. My name is Ethan. I'm your host, and I'm joined by my co host, Matthew Mayer. What's up?
Unknown:What is up guys?
Ethan hoover:So, like we've done in the past episodes, we're going to start with an icebreaker question. loosen things up, you know, shake things up. You're ready. I'm ready. Let's do it. All right. If you could choose any two famous Bible characters to have dinner with? Who would they be? And why? Easy? Easy.
Unknown:All right, Jesus. Now everybody would say Jesus, great question, I would say off of the hip, Joseph, from the Old Testament, Genesis, chapters 37, all the way to 50 Minus chapter 38. The story or the account of Joseph and what he went through, always fascinated me. And then obviously, seeing the truths that come off the pages of Scripture, as God was with Joseph, you discover a young man who made decisions to be with God, I've always found that really attractive, like, God blessed that the work of Josef's hands as a slave as a prisoner. And eventually, 13 years later, would elevate him to the position of Prime Minister in Egypt. And that was all God's purpose, to bring him to a place where he can be most useful. So I would love to just sit with Joseph and ask him the questions about like, man, what was that like? You were betrayed by your brothers? They threw you in a pit. What was going through your mind? What brought you back to God's sovereignty? What made you faithful to serve? And I think that would be a really fascinating conversation. That's cool. The second the second, Daniel, Daniel just got done the book of Daniel at our church, coastal Christian, check out those messages on our YouTube, our coastal Christian app, our website, cc ocean, city.com. That's where you'll find all of the pertinent information, but took a year, to run through 12 chapters in Daniel, Daniel seems to be the central character, the book holds his name. But from chapters one where he's a teenager, all the way to chapter 12, the latter days of his life, he's probably in his 80s. There's just this faithfulness about Daniel, and how God used him in the midst of Babylon. So we took Daniel's life, and again, found the encouragement, what does it mean to be a Christian in a Babylonian context or in a conditioning or, or in a world that is godly that guff? Or in a world that is ungodly? And I think like just sitting with Daniel and just asking him question, what was it like to receive a vision? What was it like to write down these prophetic revelations that God gave you the writing literally on the walls? Like, what is that? Yeah, look, while he comes in, and he's got to interpret the writing on the wall. And, yeah, I mean, those are probably two popular answers you would get for most people, Joseph and Daniel, both in the Old Testament, both greatly used by God. So that would be a cool conversation. Yeah,
Ethan hoover:I think for me, my first choice would be David. I think reading the Psalms, you just see his heart and you just see him, you just see him, throw his everything out into, obviously, the text, but also just out to the Lord, whether up or down highs and lows, you see him just be vulnerable before the Lord. And he wasn't a perfect guy. But he always came back to the Lord or the Lord had to bring people to him to get him back, like Nathan. But I don't know him being a shepherd first and as a young boy, and then being a king. And I mean, just the crazy stories and just what perspective he might have. It'd be really interesting to pick his brain. But then also, I think, the apostle Paul, what a wizard. Obviously, biblically, he was well versed, educated, knows this stuff. I think it would be awesome to pick his brain as well. Because there's so much that he wrote in the New Testament that you're just like, man, first of all run on sentences. I don't know if he knew how to put periods in there or what but, but regardless, he knew the Lord. And he spent time with the Lord and he, I love his faith in the Lord. It's just you. You see his heart from persecuting Chris shins to then him being a Christian, wanting to get other people to know the Lord. And those who know the Lord, you want wanted to disciple them further in the Lord.
Unknown:I don't know. It's just a really cool, you know life you live. You know why Ethan why Paul was recharged man? Oh, there we go. Seriously. He's like the epitome of what it means to be recharged. He's very religious, he understood it, like you just said inside and out. And then the Lord rewired him and brought him back to a place where everything he knew now had a context that pointed to Jesus, the one he was persecuting previously. Yeah, it's. So it's a good example for all of us, and how our hunger and thirst and our enthusiasm and our zeal for the Lord needs to be based on a relationship with Him, and not the religion that we have about him. Yeah,
Ethan hoover:that's really good. Well, before we get into this episode of recharged I real quick want to say and mentioned that we're going to have a q&a episode. What does q&a mean? It means question and response. So if you've been listening, and as you continue listening, if you have a question that comes to mind that you want to ask us, we are going to be tackling those questions in our q&a episode at the end of season one. So you can go to read church podcast.com, and submit your question right now. But without further ado, let's get into today's episode about the progressive gospel. You're ready, man,
Unknown:I'm ready. I just want to double down on that, please, guys, take advantage of asking a question that might come from the welcome episode, or Episode One which dealt with what is the false gospel? Or episode two, which was what is the prosperity gospel? And then follow those threads. If there's any questions, please, please help us answer them by submitting them.
Ethan hoover:Yeah. And it can be, you know, no question is a stupid question. Just ask your question. And it can be a personal question even like about us, like, we'll be happy to answer that. But let's hopefully you have a question about what we're covering in season one, the false gospel, there's a lot in there and there's a lot of meat. And there's a lot of threads, we just don't go down. But feel free to ask a question if it if you feel like it's in that same vein. So without further ado, let's get started. I
Unknown:think you really want to jump into this.
Ethan hoover:I really want to jump in. Do you want to jump in or No, I
Unknown:do. You know, me. I'm a teacher, man. So I'm constantly let's review. Yeah, last time we were together, what did they learn? But in all seriousness, we call it the false gospel, the message that would either create a priceless cross or a cross list Christ, we tease that out that has led to false doctrines such as the prosperity gospel, what is it, that the chief aim of God, for your life is for you to be happy, healthy and wealthy, never holy. That's a false gospel. Now, again, it's not there's nothing wrong with being happy and healthy and wealthy. The problem is, when that is what you are promised, and God doesn't come through with those promises. He's the first one you turn on. So the chief aim of God is that we would be holy, that we were that we would be brought into Christ conformity. The prosperity gospel is interrelated to the psychology gospel, which is a focus on self. That was our previous episode. Now, those two are stepping stones that lead us into what we call the progressive gospel. That's where we're at today. And I think we're gonna take our time defining our terms to make sure when we say progressive Christianity, or progressive ism, what we're talking about,
Ethan hoover:got it. Well, so let's start right there with defining terms. You mentioned progressivism, and obviously it's called the progressive gospel. So that's probably the most important word to define is progress progressivism.
Unknown:Okay, progressive ism is a philosophical or some would even say, political philosophy or ideology that is in total support of social reform. So how do you accomplish social reform? Well, you leverage technology, which we have access to today, you leverage science, you leverage the political arena, and you use them all to the flourishing of humanity. Now in the 21st century, this movement is identified as progressivism. And it's a movement that represents the interests of ordinary people through political change, excuse me through political change, through the support of governmental action, and progressivism, advances, technology, science, economic development, social organization, as all being vital to the improvement of the human condition. Now that's where we stopped because we know the human condition cannot be improved. So progressively is always gonna say that man can reach a utopia. Let's keep moving forward together. And as we keep moving forward together and leverage all that we have around us, we can eventually fix the human condition. We all know there's something innately broken about our world. Everybody knows it. We know the only solution as Christians is God's redemption, we know that. So the world that doesn't know that is going to constantly focusing on reforming the world around them. It's it's vain, Ethan, it's empty. It's useless now kept,
Ethan hoover:the world is kept at a point of progress. And that progress is no progress because we can't have progress without Christ. That's great.
Unknown:Yeah. Now let me just add to that with my sticky definitions, like progressive ism, or progressive thought, we call it progressive thought leaders also hear a progressive leader, progressive thought that is produced from a degenerate heart will always produce more rebellious onslaught, like that's as far as you can take it. So without Christ redeeming the heart, there's never going to be reform or transformation. So now, progressivism is always related to relativism. Why relativism? Because culture changes, time changes, because society around us changes technology advances. And we think that we must adapt, or we must conform, or we must modify. So we actually or we know better, we know better. Right? And that's what relativism is basically, relative is it relative what means a doctrine that knowledge, truth, or morality exists? Now here's the word in relation to culture, in relation to society. They exist in relation to or relative to historical context, not absolutes. So when we say the Bible is made up of absolute truths, progressivism says, No, the Bible's outdated. And those truths should be made relative to the times, but the context of truth in the Bible does not change, regardless of the context of culture. Now, I'm jumping ahead, but I'm only using this as a primary example. There's a reason why this sexual phenomenon called transgenderism is widely accepted today. Why? Because it's a form of progressivism, and there's no such thing as absolute truth, male and female, so you can be whatever gender you want to be. That's just the ridiculousness of man attempting to flourish apart from God's divine design. Got it. Now those two combined progressivism as defined relativism, as defined, always roll over to what we call liberalism. Okay? Liberalism can be defined as a political or moral philosophy. That's, of course, based on liberty, which is a good thing with the biblical context. liberty and freedom are good. Liberalism is always based on some form of government. Right? Also, progressivism, equality of people. Usually liberalism espouses to a very wide array of views, depending on the understanding of those principles. You see what just happened there, depending on how you understand those previously mentioned, principles like human rights, however you define human rights. That's how we will allow liberalism to undergird liberty or rights. And that is what will propagate however
Ethan hoover:you relate to truth. That's, that's what they're leveraging, like, so they all lead into each other. Like you said, they all lead No, yeah. Progress is based on someone's relation to truth. And we talked about positioning truth, your truth. Yeah, we talked about positioning in like, last episode, but this is this is similar positioning to truth, right? And then relativism, that positioning towards truth, then leads into how you interpret that will create what whatever you're relating to, right. Yeah, right.
Unknown:And it's very well said, and considering, again, if I understand the definition of humanity, as God defines it, man was created in the image of God. So there's an intrinsic value on the human race period, created by a Creator. So what does God say should be the rights or the goal of the human? Well, our chief aim would be to give God glory to give our Creator glory. That's not what progressivism does. progressivism again puts man as the the catalysts that is able to bring about that level of progress or change. So I've always said and we're gonna land on human rights because that's ultimately what a lot of these ideologies lend themselves to human rights. and human rights are good, but human rights that become the banner of all these movements, you name them all these majority movements, human rights is the banner. But human rights are wrong when they contradict what God says is right for humans, let me say that again. Human rights may be the banner of the various movements. But human rights are wrong when they contradict what God says is right for humans. So we pause, we pivot, because everything we just said, Ethan, guess what is bleeding into the Church of Jesus Christ. And that is why it's called the progressive gospel. So we've taken these human ideologies, we've edged God out, we no longer see the Bible as absolute truth. And we redefine things that God has previously defined.
Ethan hoover:So we just defined some terms, that was a lot to take in, in and of itself, but important, and we'll have those definitions in the show notes, if you are a visual learner as well. But I think what we can lead into is where the progressive comes from, or came from, where we saw it emerge, if you will, and then we can tackle what it is. But I think it's important to know where it came from first. So where to come from?
Unknown:Not sure if you knew that word that you just said, Where did it emerge? That's exactly where we're going to trace it back to the emergent movement. Now, the emergent movement, you can research that it was a movement by Christian leaders at the time it broke probably in the early 2000s. But let me make sure you understand as that broke, in the early 2000s, this emergent church movement, their goal was to look at the culture, right, which became postmodern. I like to redefine postmodern as post truth, like you start to see relativism, it's your truth. It's my truth. There's no more God's truth. And it's in that culture that the Christian leaders at the time got together and they attempt to ready modify or adapt Christianity to align with the post truth mindset or the post modern mindset that was already mainstream. So again, it's the church's effort at, you know what, we want to reach the world. And in the process, we become like the world. So the Emergent Church Movement, which is related to progressivism and relativism, they were actually they were the ones on the fringes of Christian culture, right. So like, picture Christian culture, and we'll define it as what a biblical worldview, Christian culture, absolute truth, God of the Bible, and it was these Christian leaders, part of the Emergent Church Movement that attempted to, on the fringes of Christian culture ready to go like this. Hey, those at the center. They're very stringent. They're the judgmental Christians. Right? They're the moralists. Come join us. And they hung out on the fringe of Christian culture. Right, those, those type of Christians, they're there. legalist, come Come over here. Right. We're a little bit more liberal. And this is what the beginning of progressivism now now what's happening today, 20, some years into this thing, progressive culture, or progressive Christianity seems to direct Christian culture, because now it's mainstream to say, Hey, shouldn't we all just love our neighbor? Shouldn't we just get along, and we use Jesus as our case study to go look, he was just a very humble lover of people. And they never read the pages of Scripture, where he's calling out sin, where he's calling people to repentance. They never talk about suffering. They never talk about him going to the cross, and never talk about absolutes. They never talk about real, like all these things that make up a biblical worldview are not part of the progressive Christian culture. Wow. Something that popped up in my mind not to take away from the severity of the progressive gospel and what you're talking about. But you're talking about churches on the fringe. And I don't know if you've seen the most recent SpiderMan, have, you know, okay, so first of all, great movie, I don't watch those type of movies.
Ethan hoover:He's a pastor, he doesn't watch those shows. So I've seen it probably three or four times now, but there's a part in the new Spider Man where Tobey Maguire actually makes an appearance if you do you know, you know, Tobey Maguire is the original. Yeah, he's the OG Spider Man. A lot of people don't like him as Spider Man. I think the other ones are better. I don't know. He holds a little special place in my heart because he's like the first spider man that I saw, but it's neither here nor there. However, I thought it was funny. They made a joke that he looked like a cool youth pastor, the clothes he was wearing. And so when you're talking about just the church on the fringe Have you they made in the movie a movie, they made that joke and I was dead because it because it was just like that's a perfect example of the world sees it. And the world sees it and kind of thinks it's corny. And it's kind of weird. The world sees that. You know, that's hilarious. Isn't that funny? Yeah. So I don't know how many people got that joke in the theater, but I definitely got it. I thought it was hilarious, right, anyway, to move from the origin of this emergent church movement of progressivism, and a church on the fringe on the edge, edgy church, obviously, to be on the edge. They had to put this edgy Gospel out this gospel on the fringe, which is this progressive gospel that we're talking about. So what, what is this progressive gospel?
Unknown:So let me give you some sticky definitions. And again, we'll tease these out with further conversation. But when I think of the progressive gospel, I think of a gospel that goes beyond the boundaries of the Bible, right? Boundaries, or restraints, or limits, those are for our safety. Right? They're put in place to keep us safe. The progressive Gospel goes beyond those boundaries, and always say, if you go beyond the boundaries of the Bible, you end up in bondage to Babel. And that's another paradoxical fault. Right? What do you mean by that? Like, you think you're free? But you're really in bondage? Yeah. Liberty out of bounds, leads to living in bonds. So you're not so free. You actually have to be hinged or tethered to absolute truth. The progressive gospel bends to sinful man, Ethan, as it offends a holy God. So it's always catering to sinful man, aka human rights that are wrong when they contradict what God says is right for humans. How do they offend a holy God by bending to sinful man? Well, they make amends to the message and man of Jesus Christ. That's how they do it. They make amends. So they modify him. He is no longer a soul saver. He's a social worker. Right? So there's a social context attached to the progressive gospel. Jesus is always loving, He's never judging. Again, like I said earlier, he's always just loving people, which is the word that you'll hear for a progressive church affirming. Jesus came to affirm us, No, he did not do not come. He did not come to affirm us in our sin, He came to die for our sin, huge difference, huge difference. If I'm always affirming, then I'm always told to love my neighbor. So they take a lot of liberty, there's that word, to define what love should look like. Meanwhile, the love you have for your neighbor comes at the expense of the truth of the Savior. So our goal would be to come back to a biblical worldview, we're going to look at some probably of the doctrines that the progressive gospel puts out that are seemingly attractive, and at the root are completely antithetical to the Bible,
Ethan hoover:and consequentially are a detriment to the world, as well. In their attempt to fix the world, they hurt the world even more, right? They divide it
Unknown:right. And here's why I'm passionate about the progressive Christian movement and why we should call it out. Seeing the way the world's going again, when you know the Bible when you understand the direction it's all going into. In the end time scenario, Ethan there is this spiritual component, right? Some would call it the apostate church, that word apostate means defection, so the falling away of the church. So though there are those who no longer claim to traditional or historical Christianity, but in the name of progress are willing to intermarry with other faiths. So interfaith relations, we're all journey and up this hill towards God, and it's okay that we have different doctrines. You know what? Here's the difference what everybody does with Jesus. That's the difference between every world religion what do you do with Jesus so they don't talk about Jesus, it's more or less about man getting along. And in the end time scenario, you see, you see Babylonian, in the meantime scenario, see a Babylonian system, a governmental system, an economic system, and a religious system. I believe the progressive Christian movement is going to contribute to this one world system, because it's going to be in the name of spirituality, and non threatening faith.
Ethan hoover:And that's the only way that you could really unite those with faith and without faith is a faith that really
Unknown:doesn't mean anything doesn't mean anything. Yeah. It's built on what is relative.
Ethan hoover:So you hinted at the need for a biblical worldview and And although we didn't define what a worldview is, in the beginning of this episode, I think it's really important to just take a softer pause on progressive gospel, and define what a worldview is, and what a biblical worldview is. So what is a worldview? All right,
Unknown:huge, huge to understand what a worldview is, because everybody has a worldview. And every Christian should have a biblical worldview. Let me define what a worldview is. And then let me tell you the danger or the alarm that should be sounded because of the condition or situation of those that calls them call themselves Christians ready. The foundation of a biblical worldview is the word of God. Okay? That's very simple to prescribe to a biblical worldview is to affirm that the Bible is the lens through which a believer views the world. So the word is a lens that I looked through or a window by which I perceive the world, it's a filter, we know what a filter does, right? A filter for a water system, it cleans it of any chemicals or contaminants, and when it comes out, it's purified. That's what the Bible does for us. So my eyes can see clearly based on what God would want me to see it's also the framework from which reality spiritual reality is perceived. So a study went out recently by the Barna Group, this is an A guy named George Barna founded pretty much a platform that does a lot of different surveys and polls on Christian dome. And this one was alarming because it said that only 6% of ready and I have my quote, fingers up Christians 6% of those that call themselves Christian in America, espouse to a biblical worldview. Now, does that sound off to you?
Ethan hoover:Just a little bit?
Unknown:percent of those that call themselves Christians should espouse to a biblical worldview. Now, how did they come to that conclusion? Well, they pulled them and the poll had various questions like, Do you believe that there's one God who's the Creator? Now? Some said yes, some said no. And it goes down these questions, which summarizes whether or not you have a biblical worldview, only 6% said that they had a biblical worldview. I put a document together, we'll include it. In the show notes, I think it's helpful. Again, it's it's not necessarily rhyme form, but you'll hear some of the cadence and the seven pillars that make up a biblical worldview, just so you can remember and it's how I remembered it like the pillar number one God Creator, pillar number two humans mortal. pillar number three sin, which is evil and fatal. pillar number four, which is a real enemy, the devil, pillar number five, Jesus as Savior. pillar number six, Absolute Truth, and scripture. pillar number seven, Faith determines behavior. So when you make your way down those pillar number one, that there is a God, and He is the Creator. That's where we start. Do you believe that? Yeah, I believe that, okay, you believe this? God is omniscient, which means he knows all. He's omnipotent. Which means he's all powerful, and omnipresent, which means he's everywhere. Okay, that's the first pillar. What does that lead into? Well, his chief crown of creation was guess who it was. Us humans. Humans are mortal. However, we will die. That's basically what that word mortal means you're gonna die. We were created in the image of God and the image of God, He created him male and female. He created them Genesis 127. Okay, so if God created me, I have intrinsic value. I, unfortunately, am going to die. I'm not going to live forever a fatal flaw. There's a fatal flaw which leads us to what is that fatal flaw? sin, sin. A Biblical worldview identifies the fracture, the divide the brokenness, the destruction that you see in our world, is in relation to sin, period. Sin is what brought evil into the world. Sin is what makes humans mortal, and eventually fatal. Okay, the Bible says, All have sinned, plural, and fallen short of the glory of God, Romans 323, For the wages of sin is death. So we deserve to die because of sin. That's devastating dude. But if I don't have that type of biblical worldview, I'm always going to be looking outward to find the solution to the souls aches and quakes and, and the souls depression. And when I know it's sin, I then know where to take the sin. Now, if you think that's bad, it gets worse. The fourth pillar is the fact that there's a real enemy and he's called the devil or Lucifer, or he's called Satan. He is a roaring lion, he prowls around seeking whom he may devour. Our now after those four pillars, we're going to look at the fifth pillar, which is Jesus as Savior. Do you believe God sent His Son Jesus, who became the Savior from sin? Who became the one that helps us combat the temptations of the enemy? It's the gift that God gave us that leads to eternal life. Romans 623, who is this Jesus, he's the son of God, He's the Savior of the world. He's the sinless sin, substitute, did you get that? He said, again, sinless, who became sin as a substitute for my sin. And that is why he Jesus is the only way to heaven. He's the solo way to heaven, John 14, six. Now, where do I learn about all of this? The Bible, the Bible, there you go, Ethan is tracking the absolute truth of Scripture that is part of a biblical worldview. So when I get disoriented, I go back to the Word of God, which tells me the meaning of life, it defines morality. It defines the family. It defines proper sexuality. All scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine. That's what this entire podcast is built upon. Doctrine, teachings from God's holy scriptures. It's profitable for reproof, which is another word to say conviction or reinforced proof. You want reinforced proof that there is a God? It's in the Word of God. It's profitable for correction when we're off, when we start to see the world from a foggy lens, or come back to the Word. And I see it clear,
Ethan hoover:real quick, I think. Before you This is the sixth pillar. The sixth pillar, yes, that's the sixth pillar. So I don't know if anybody I'm sure most people have heard this. But you in the first pillar, God is creator, and He is all knowing, all powerful, and everywhere. And how is that? Well, his creation is his general revelation. And in Scripture, the sixth pillar is his specific revelation. That's why it's reinforced proof.
Unknown:Yeah, it's living, it's breathing, it's active, it's alive. It does spiritual surgery. It correct me when I'm wrong. It instructs me into right living righteousness, there's a right way to live before God. And it says that you and I, the man of God, or the woman of God might be complete, mature, thoroughly equipped, furnished for every good work. Now, I know all that, which leads me to the seventh, and final pillar of a biblical worldview. So if I know all of that, as a Christian, that will certainly affect how I live. It should and that's the point. So faith determines our behavior. And the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, that's Jesus teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, that's pretty much the past two episodes, denying ungodliness denying worldly loss, that we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in the present age, that's a biblical worldview,
Ethan hoover:for an analogy, kind of just to because that's, that's a lot. And that's gonna be in the show notes, to kind of give you a breakdown, so you can refer back to it. But I guess to recap what a worldview is, and maybe a an idea of how to how to view a worldview is like, those of you might wear glasses or contacts, if you don't have the right prescription, or you are, you're not wearing your glasses, and you need them, you see the world blurry, it's not how it's supposed to look. And so you can't engage with the world in the way that it's meant to be engaged with. But when you put your glasses on, or contacts in, you see it, how it's supposed to be seen, and interact with it, how it's supposed to be interacted with. And so the Bible is that not just our glasses, but it's actually our prescription, it's good to help us see the world in the way that God created it. And then I guess, another way of looking at it in a more relevant ways, like if you have an iPhone or any phone, if you have a smudge on your lens, you try to go take a picture, it's not going to look how you're seeing it and you're like, wait a second, what the heck is what is this glare doing or you know, but you have to you have to clean that lens, you have to be re churched and get back to the word a biblical worldview. So that again, you can see things through that lens, how they're meant to be seen. So I think that's a good way of thinking about what a worldview is. Does that make sense? Matt? That was
Unknown:outstanding. Okay, that was excellent.
Ethan hoover:So why is a biblical worldview? Not just any worldview, but a biblical worldview, important to understanding progressivism have to know
Unknown:how God defines the terms of life, life, which constitutes a morality of sorts, life, which constitutes the role and goal of humanity A life which constitutes sexuality, life that constitutes community like all of these are important to know as a function as a human period. Not to mention as a Christian, right. So I say that like generally like, there are right ways to live as a human. And obviously, if you're a Christian, you have a proper understanding and a proper perception and a proper realization, of how all of these things interact. And everything's in its rightful place. So as a Christian, I got to know the Word of God, I got to spend time in the scriptures, I say that all the time, I beat that drum because I am convinced if you don't know the word of God, if you don't have a proper understanding of the Scriptures, you will not be able to properly perceive the culture. And it's easy to get swept away by progressive thoughts, when you are not tethered to the truth of God's Word. So I labor week after week, Ethan, to make sure that when I present the Word of God, that the congregation at coastal and beyond, leave with a clearer understanding of one who God is and to what their responsibility is in relation to who God says they are as the Church of Jesus Christ.
Ethan hoover:So we talked about what a worldview is, we talked about what a biblical worldview is an important prefix there. And then we also talked about why a biblical worldview is important to understanding progressivism, right. And so you have a biblical worldview, and you have a progressive or progressivism worldview. And so why are they pitted against each other? You
Unknown:just said it. They're both worldviews. So they are opposite based on our relation to God. So progressivism, as we defined it, separate of progressive Christianity. relativism, as we've defined it earlier, separate of Christianity, pluralism, as we defined it separate of Christianity. Now put all those three together, and infuse them into Christianity. So you're using the Bible, you're using Jesus, you're using buzzwords like God and justice and righteousness and love your neighbor, and you're saying all the right things. Meanwhile, they're infused with a very worldly worldview. So what they did was camouflage these ideas or ideologies with scripture. So it sounds good. And I think it's important to understand the reason why they are pitted against each other is because they view those pillars from the biblical worldview from different lenses. One is from a secondary lens, and the other one is from a scriptural lens. That's really good.
Ethan hoover:So I think what the progressive gospel is saying is that God's word changes depending on culture, or society's interpretation, but the true gospel, and the Word of God says that God's word is infallible. It never changes. And that's because God's word is a direct reflection of God's character, which he is constant. He is never changing. And he's a man of his word. And how is he a man of his word? Well, in the Old Testament, you see him promising a solution to this, this problem sin? That's right, right. And that is the Savior Jesus, who is also mentioned as the word in flesh. And John, let's good. So to follow this thread, if the progressive Gospel were the true gospel, many questions would arise. All right? And I listed out three of them. Has God's saving work changed based on our culture? Does the way God relate to us change? And if this progressive Gospel is true, how can we even count on God? What's the need for God? If we can't count on it, right? And so that's the problem with those three questions. And there's probably plenty more that you could also come up with those three questions alone destroy this progressive gospel, if you will. Because the progressive gospel inherently calls God's word a liar, which means they have to deny whether they say it or not the word in flesh, which is Jesus, and His saving work, because ultimately, if Jesus changes based on our culture and society, and what man thinks, then God isn't God. But man is because God, according to them is subject to man's interpretation. But we know if you're listening to the church, we know that in a biblical worldview, that's not the case because the true gospel says that God is God. We are a creation, just like the second pillar that Matt listed out for us. His word is never changing. He's a man of his word. He sent Jesus as Savior to We fix our sin problem. And we can be saved, we can be redeemed through Jesus's blood. It's not us. It's him. It's his word. He's God, and we're not ready yet.
Unknown:What do you need me for? I don't know. That was it. So you said all that to say this, there are certain doctrines from the progressive Christian movement that we're going to look at likely in the next episode or two. I believe that the social justice movement, or I call it woke justice is related to the progressive Christian movement, because they're the ones that champion it. We're going to look at humanism, we're going to look at environmentalism, Mother Earth versus Father God. We're going to look at the LGBTQ curriculum slash agenda, I'll take a lot of time defining what I mean by all of that. We're gonna look at all of these tentacles that go out into society, and in the name of Christianity completely modify the message and the man of Jesus Christ. And that is why it is a false gospel.
Ethan hoover:All right, that was really well said. And that about wraps up this episode. In the next episode, like Matthew said, we'll be continuing our conversation on the progressive gospel. And we'll be touching on those points that Matt just laid out for us. Again, thank you for joining us. For this episode of recharged make sure to subscribe and turn notifications on. You know, that whole spiel, make sure to share the podcast on Facebook or your Instagram story and tag us using the hashtag. Hashtag recharged. Again, submit your questions for our q&a episode that is happening at the end of season one, by visiting recharge podcast.com. Again, any questions you might have about season one about these false gospels that we're talking about? No question is a stupid question. Ask your question. We're going to try to get to them to as many as possible, submit your question every church podcast.com. And you can also learn more about us the podcasts or church or apply to sponsor a future season of this podcast by going to the same URL. That about wraps it up. Thanks again for listening to this episode. We'll see you in the next one. God bless