Anatoliy [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode, I'm realizing that when an individual is saying that they know something, they're blocking themselves from actually finding out the truth about things.

Eldar [00:00:09]:
The power lies in being true to yourself and being honest with yourself as to what's going on.

Anatoliy [00:00:14]:
And if you ever get to a point on any subject, you could be the master of it. If you get to a point where you know something, you, at that point, have blocked off all opportunities to learn.

Mike [00:00:24]:
Going forward, time always tells if there's more sufferings on the menu.

Eldar [00:00:27]:
Yes.

Eldar [00:00:28]:
Anytime you go against yourself, right. In these types of big shifts, you need a little bit of courage. What'd you say before you about to start?

Anatoliy [00:00:47]:
I said that I think I may know what Socrates meant, but when he said, I know nothing.

Eldar [00:00:52]:
All right, so hit us with it.

Eldar [00:00:54]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:00:54]:
I think for a long time, it's like a confusing thing to hear from an individual that people feel like knows everything almost, right?

Eldar [00:01:01]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:01:01]:
To me, I almost felt that he was, like, a little bit like a liar this whole time.

Eldar [00:01:07]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:01:07]:
But he knew he shit.

Anatoliy [00:01:09]:
That's what I'm saying about some stuff. Yeah. Right. And I just feel that there's many times where I feel like I know something.

Eldar [00:01:17]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:01:17]:
And when I run with that, ends up blowing in my face. Blowing up in my face and not serving me.

Mike [00:01:27]:
I just remembered there was a podcast, and you said this exact same line. He said, yeah, I remember. It just comes in my face.

Eldar [00:01:36]:
Oh, yes, I remember that, too.

Eldar [00:01:39]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:01:39]:
So I just feel like anytime I've ever had that kind of attitude, and I've had that attitude many times, like, on a recurring basis. Right.

Eldar [00:01:48]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:01:49]:
And I just feel that it's an over and over again set up to get, like, by doing that. And what I feel like clicked is when I hear Philip talking about these things, right. And let's say I have one opinion on it or one way I'm seeing it, I'm realizing that when an individual is saying that they know something, they're blocking themselves from actually finding out the truth about things.

Eldar [00:02:19]:
Oh, yeah.

Anatoliy [00:02:20]:
And that's what made me realize that, because let's say I'm bringing up a point. It's like, oh, no, I know for a fact it's not that. Right. When you say that, for example, that's the blocker.

Eldar [00:02:35]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:02:35]:
It's a blocker from actually finding out. And it's not like the attitude is internally.

Eldar [00:02:42]:
Okay.

Anatoliy [00:02:42]:
I feel one way, but let me just test out this theory and see if I'm correct, for example.

Eldar [00:02:48]:
Yeah, well, a lot of times you won't even get there to the testing part. You won't even hear it.

Eldar [00:02:52]:
Yes.

Anatoliy [00:02:52]:
Because you know something.

Eldar [00:02:53]:
Yeah, but I think it's natural phenomenon.

Mike [00:02:58]:
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think the way we work is we want to know. We have a way of identifying the world the way we perceive it. And it's very important for us to have these perceptions.

Eldar [00:03:08]:
Conclusions.

Eldar [00:03:09]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:03:09]:
Conclusions and perceptions. It's very important for us to make sense of the world.

Eldar [00:03:13]:
Now.

Mike [00:03:13]:
It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. We have to make sense of it, because if it doesn't make sense, then we can't live with that. We need to have periods on everything.

Eldar [00:03:21]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:03:21]:
We don't find comfort in confusion.

Eldar [00:03:23]:
No.

Anatoliy [00:03:25]:
Or uncertainties.

Eldar [00:03:26]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:03:27]:
So, yeah, I was just, like, thinking about that, and I was just like, damn. I feel like now I understand what he meant by it, why it's valuable, because it's not like a true feeling of. I don't know. It's more of an attitude that you carry as to how you will go about things.

Eldar [00:03:53]:
Right. In finding the truth.

Anatoliy [00:03:57]:
Yeah. In finding the truth. And if you ever get to a point on any subject, you could be the master of it. If you get to a point where you know something, you at that point have blocked off all opportunities to learn going forward. And I think a true master of something knows that he can never let that happen.

Eldar [00:04:18]:
He put an asterisk at the end.

Mike [00:04:20]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:04:21]:
Where it's like these conclusions are unfinished.

Eldar [00:04:25]:
Or what do they call them? No. Something else.

Eldar [00:04:30]:
Inconclusive.

Mike [00:04:31]:
Inconclusive.

Eldar [00:04:32]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:04:33]:
The results are inconclusive.

Eldar [00:04:34]:
Yes, inconclusive. Because we studied this. We understood the pool. We did the study. However, we didn't account for this particular variable that is potentially can offset this particular result.

Mike [00:04:46]:
And in life, there's always that one variable you never account for.

Anatoliy [00:04:50]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:04:51]:
And that comes in, I think Elon.

Eldar [00:04:53]:
Musk says this a lot.

Eldar [00:04:54]:
He says the most unthought of or.

Eldar [00:04:59]:
Unexpected outcome is going to be the know. Like something like that.

Eldar [00:05:03]:
Along the lines of, yes.

Anatoliy [00:05:06]:
I feel like it wasn't actually a word for word, kind of just like sentence or something. I felt like it was more of an attitude that he kind of embodied. Right. But I also feel that he knew that he's smart enough that he couldn't actually tell you that this is what you need to do to be successful. Well, I think that he knew that.

Eldar [00:05:33]:
I think he respected the process.

Anatoliy [00:05:35]:
Yeah. I think that he respected the process and letting people find out for themselves.

Eldar [00:05:43]:
But nonetheless, don't underestimate the help that he did give to people by asking very specific questions.

Anatoliy [00:05:50]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:05:50]:
Even though they were deducing them for themselves. He's the one who asking a very specific question in order to get there. Yeah, I think that was the great.

Eldar [00:06:00]:
Help where he got them.

Eldar [00:06:01]:
At least kick started to the path of philosophy and potentially enlightenment in that specific subject. Yeah, no, it's a very important skill and tool and definitely can be used to be humble, to stay humble, and.

Eldar [00:06:16]:
To continue to learn.

Eldar [00:06:19]:
He says if you come across the truth, if you stumbled upon the truth. Right. You stumbled upon the truth, don't just pick yourself up and keep going.

Eldar [00:06:27]:
Examine it.

Eldar [00:06:28]:
Really see and focus what you have here.

Eldar [00:06:32]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:06:32]:
You know what I'm saying? In a lot of cases that when we have these conversations. Right. If we stumbled upon some truth and we chose to kind of maybe just kind of disregard it or whatever.

Eldar [00:06:44]:
I.

Eldar [00:06:44]:
Think we're missing the point. I think ultimately true philosophy has to be applied into bettering our lives. So in the case of Phillips, where he just discovered that he's suffering from the type of sales that he does, if he picks himself up and keeps.

Eldar [00:06:59]:
Going, that's a crime against himself. Yeah, ultimately.

Mike [00:07:04]:
Well, I think there is some truth. I think that phenomenon that we're talking.

Eldar [00:07:07]:
About on the podcast.

Mike [00:07:10]:
Can you go? And now that you know this is wrong, keep doing it the same way? I don't think it's sustainable.

Eldar [00:07:17]:
Well, you can. I think you can. I think you underestimate how we can put ourselves to sleep.

Eldar [00:07:23]:
Yeah, you know what I mean?

Phillip [00:07:24]:
But you have to believe that it's wrong, though. You can just have the idea and say, like, yeah, this is not working for me, and I think that it's wrong. But I think once you do truly believe that it is wrong and something has to click, then I don't think you can do it over anymore.

Eldar [00:07:39]:
Correct.

Phillip [00:07:39]:
Yeah, but that thing has to hit and you have to have that belief hit. That's right. Right now we're talking about the two different versions of, like, I believe that the process that I'm on now is that I'm genuinely not caring about the other person on the other line. And then I'm also saying in the same breath, like, I care about my own interest. I can say that, yeah, it does sound nice to genuinely care about the other person, and I do think that is the best way to go about it. That makes the most sense. But it's a matter of, do I trust that enough to. Then you believe it.

Phillip [00:08:08]:
Believe this, that it's actually going to work and get me the result and that it's actually going to make me happier or am I just going to go to default for right now and just keep going back?

Anatoliy [00:08:17]:
No, I know, but then you also, I think at that same time you have to ask yourself the question about does your current belief translate in the way that you have it planned out.

Eldar [00:08:26]:
Like in your head?

Phillip [00:08:28]:
Sometimes I do get the sale.

Eldar [00:08:30]:
That's the problem.

Anatoliy [00:08:31]:
Yeah, but do you get it enough where you feel that this way it worked?

Eldar [00:08:35]:
Well, no, he's not happy. If he's not getting closer to the thing and is cracking his thing, he's not happy ultimately, you know what I'm saying? If he has a goal mind, if he says, okay, cool, this is the number I have to hit. And he's doing that stuff. I can see how he's like, okay, cool, he's happy. He's doing it, but he's not doing it. He's like, I need to get there. I need to make 100 calls.

Eldar [00:08:55]:
Is he making 100 calls?

Eldar [00:08:57]:
I'm making 100 calls. He has to be following through with it. If he's not following through with it, you're not happy.

Anatoliy [00:09:02]:
Well, yeah, but then also that if he's not following through, then he doesn't believe in it.

Eldar [00:09:05]:
That's right. Yeah, that's right. Ultimately he doesn't believe in it, but if he's not educated enough to be able to believe in something else, you just result to the default.

Eldar [00:09:15]:
Yeah, that's it.

Eldar [00:09:17]:
Until you figure it out. Until you figure it out. Until you figure out a new thing that's going to replace this old thing. This old way of thinking.

Anatoliy [00:09:24]:
Yeah, I think it's almost like before you could get.

Eldar [00:09:31]:
Curious in that way.

Anatoliy [00:09:32]:
That you're talking about with finding out with the prospects and stuff like that. I think you have to get curious enough to find out why to do that to begin with.

Eldar [00:09:44]:
Well, yeah, of course. He has to have good reasons.

Anatoliy [00:09:47]:
Yeah. You can't just apply like.

Eldar [00:09:50]:
No, absolutely not.

Eldar [00:09:52]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:09:53]:
You have to be curious as to.

Eldar [00:09:54]:
Why you should be curious by beats.

Eldar [00:09:58]:
The ability to ask questions in a curious, actual way. There's a feeling behind it. Behind that feeling has to be a belief system. You cannot carry true curiosity with just questioning.

Anatoliy [00:10:11]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:10:11]:
You know what?

Phillip [00:10:12]:
I genuinely care about them and trust that if I do show that I care about.

Eldar [00:10:16]:
No, no, Philip, again, you keep saying.

Anatoliy [00:10:17]:
Caring about them and not trust. It's not a trust.

Phillip [00:10:21]:
What is it?

Eldar [00:10:22]:
Trust is a blind thing.

Anatoliy [00:10:24]:
Yeah, trust to me is like a blind, not calculated thing.

Phillip [00:10:29]:
So what's the genuine caring part then.

Anatoliy [00:10:31]:
In what though we're talking about, the.

Phillip [00:10:33]:
Other person on the other line is taking a genuine interest in their business. Right.

Eldar [00:10:37]:
Well, first, like I said, it's all about you. You genuinely have to be interested in how to figure out how to make Philip happy. You know what I mean? What makes Philip actually happy.

Phillip [00:10:48]:
And this, I've been, like I was saying, I'm doing this in all other areas. This one to me is that is what I'm saying.

Eldar [00:10:54]:
The biggest one, if Philip can bridge that gap between being happy and transfer to the phone call and then get the proper result, that's where the shit clicks.

Eldar [00:11:03]:
The marriage happens between everything.

Eldar [00:11:06]:
And then you're like, oh, shit, I like this. I want to continue doing it this.

Eldar [00:11:11]:
Way, the new way, so on a so called it.

Eldar [00:11:14]:
But you have to buy into the process. Like Tolly said before, you just start doing it because I don't think you can carry a genuine true curiosity into the questioning without actually.

Eldar [00:11:26]:
Really buying into it.

Mike [00:11:27]:
Yeah, I think it's difficult to do it when you have a belief system.

Eldar [00:11:31]:
That'S blocking you from it 100%.

Mike [00:11:33]:
When you examine those belief system and if you believe that they don't serve you, you understand it. And now you develop a new belief system. I think the curiosity will come correct.

Eldar [00:11:43]:
Because you actually correct.

Mike [00:11:44]:
It's like you're going to have a philosophy club with them. How we come here, we enjoy it. And that's going to force you to ask curious questions or make bold statements. That's right.

Eldar [00:11:54]:
That's why Tolly, when he said to him, hey, it sounds like you need to suffer more. He just brought philosophy to a sales conversation and they both got on the same page. More than likely, I think that sooner or later he's going to spend money with us because of this.

Mike [00:12:08]:
Because of that, yeah. Because they were able to tap into the same truth together.

Eldar [00:12:12]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:12:13]:
As long as Tolly is diligent on his follow up in the month with good notes, he remembers the conversation and carries that conversation through. I think it's going to be a good conversation.

Mike [00:12:23]:
I think so too.

Eldar [00:12:24]:
Yeah. It's a pursuit, I guess once you.

Mike [00:12:28]:
Discover philosophy and stuff, I feel like it's a pursuit to then have it in all areas of your life and uncover it, how it blends into everything that you do.

Eldar [00:12:40]:
Well, I think philosophy points to the fact that we have a lot of incongruent thoughts, bro, you know what I'm saying? And that it shows to us that we have a lot of identities and a lot of masks and a lot of actors still reacting. This is being pointed out by philosophy. I think it has something in it that that's what happens. We realize that we're not happy and we're constantly acting like we are, but we're really not. You know what I'm saying?

Anatoliy [00:13:03]:
It highlights your inconsistencies, correct.

Eldar [00:13:07]:
It points out to your inconsistencies because it pulls to logic, and logic has to have very specific structure in order for it to work. You know what I'm saying? And when it doesn't and we apply it to ourselves, we quickly see we're not happy people.

Eldar [00:13:19]:
You know what I mean?

Eldar [00:13:20]:
So it goes to us needing to.

Eldar [00:13:22]:
Become more parallel with our thoughts, with.

Eldar [00:13:26]:
Our actions, without speech patterns, everything. Without that little thing. You're not going to be happy. You know what I'm saying? You're going to continue to be an actor in this world and the world's.

Eldar [00:13:37]:
Going to be oppressing you. So you think that the world's oppressing you, but it's really not. It's you yourself oppressing yourself.

Eldar [00:13:46]:
Or in this case, he has to go back and really open up that money question for himself as to why is he always on a safety train?

Eldar [00:13:58]:
What is not enough? And what is safety, right? And have an honest conversation. It's like, okay, cool, what is safe?

Eldar [00:14:05]:
If it's safety that we're after, how much is safe? And then am I willing then to do what I do now in order to get to the safety? If I am, then you can't complain.

Eldar [00:14:17]:
You just do it like, okay, it's worth it.

Phillip [00:14:20]:
Yeah, I think the safety thing is like, not even a conversation. It's the happy thing. But the safety mindset is getting carried along with, no, I think, yeah, I.

Eldar [00:14:30]:
Think you settle for safety. You wanted to be happy, you couldn't find a way to be happy, so you settle for safety.

Eldar [00:14:35]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:14:35]:
But I'm saying, as I'm now pursuing different areas of then being happy and finding new ways to do things, of interacting just with people and being in an office, talking to a girl, learning how to reeducate myself on what walking and exercising means, these are all things that I've never really given too much thought into because I'm always like, okay, I know how to work out. I know how to eat, I know how to do all these things now I'm thinking about them differently. So I think there's certain parts of my life where I'm saying, yeah, this is not working, and I'm not happy. And then I'm saying I value happiness more so than just going for walks, to go for walk takes, that kind of stuff. But for work with this kind of stuff, it's like, okay, when there's money attached to it, that, to me, is the strongest emotion that I'm coming across so far. Is there something survival? There's something, I don't know, just tied to my old thought patterns where I can say in the same breath, I want to be happy. But also, what does it look like? I don't even know what that looks like for this because it's such a grind for me or it always has been with sales that I don't even know what the happiness would look like in that. So I guess just trusting that, I realize right now me, the way that I'm doing it, I am not happy in the way that I'm going about it.

Eldar [00:15:59]:
Yeah, that's honest.

Phillip [00:16:02]:
Because for me to allow another person to then make me upset every time that I'm not doing it, we're saying this should not be the case, because I should be able to then see the person for what they are, be able to evaluate this person and say either they're making a smart decision or not. And ultimately, I do have something to offer. Instead of thinking I have to go through all these bells and whistles and jump all through these hoops and say, like, oh, I got to be, like, my top best self today, and I got to give them everything, and then maybe I'll get something in return. And I'm so thinking about that thing that I'm going to get that it's really making the whole experience unenjoyable, and that's making it a grind.

Eldar [00:16:43]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:16:44]:
But, of course, that's the association that I have with what I'm doing, is that if I do this, at least I will get that thing. And in insurance, the only time I'm really happy is when I get a check at the end of the month.

Eldar [00:16:55]:
Wow.

Phillip [00:16:55]:
I know this.

Eldar [00:16:56]:
Wow.

Phillip [00:16:57]:
This 100%. But I know that I will get a check at the end of the month if I do xYz. But it's all about the check at.

Eldar [00:17:04]:
The end of the month.

Phillip [00:17:05]:
This. I'm finding that the process is more enjoyable because I'm interacting with people. We're having conversations like this.

Eldar [00:17:10]:
Well, you grow it. I hope that you're growing. The day you stop growing is the day you have to leave here.

Eldar [00:17:15]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:17:15]:
You know what I'm saying? That's just the gigs up.

Phillip [00:17:17]:
But this process is different than insurance, but it's still the same job. I'm doing the same thing. I'm on the phone, I'm trying to convince people to do something right, or I'm offering a service, however you want to phrase it. But this. I'm getting constructive feedback, and I'm able to enjoy conversations. We're going to lunch, we're going on walks. We're doing a lot of stuff. So I feel like I'm enjoying pretty much the totality of it.

Phillip [00:17:42]:
But the one element of how I'm selling, even if I'm getting sales, I'm not enjoying the actual process.

Eldar [00:17:49]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:17:50]:
Like on the call, I'm talking about.

Eldar [00:17:52]:
Yeah, no, I get it. I know.

Phillip [00:17:53]:
Like a specific call.

Eldar [00:17:55]:
Yeah, I know.

Phillip [00:17:57]:
And obviously that's something. I want big. It's big.

Eldar [00:18:00]:
I want to change it.

Phillip [00:18:02]:
But, yeah, the association is very strong. I feel it's like something that. It's like a grip. Hold on. Yeah, it's like a grip. Yeah. I feel it in my body, in my mind.

Eldar [00:18:14]:
So, sales manager, what you got for the young buck?

Anatoliy [00:18:18]:
No, I mean all good stuff. It's definitely all good stuff.

Eldar [00:18:23]:
It's all good stuff.

Eldar [00:18:24]:
Yeah. Well, how does he bridge the gap? He sees that there's a potential here, who he wants to be, and he's trying to be right. Trying to be honest, trying to have conversations and be himself.

Eldar [00:18:35]:
Right.

Eldar [00:18:35]:
But there's another self, the one when he goes home and talks to himself.

Eldar [00:18:39]:
Self. That one. You know, that guy. Yeah.

Eldar [00:18:42]:
I think you were aware of your own self.

Eldar [00:18:44]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:18:44]:
You know what I'm saying? How do you bridge the gap? How do you jump over that and marry him so he doesn't also have these bad experiences in particular, for his example.

Eldar [00:18:55]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:18:55]:
And sales, like he says, hey, I like the process here, but I don't like the calls because when I get on them, obviously hurry up before Mike gives it.

Mike [00:19:03]:
I'm ready to pounce.

Eldar [00:19:05]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:19:05]:
I don't know. To me, it points more in finding purpose through to, and then finding a way where you can have fun in it. Right. Where you could bring the philosophy or what you find fun into these kinds of conversations.

Phillip [00:19:27]:
That's advanced to me. That first part is, I think it's trusting that service, just genuine service, is enough without having to think that I'm not enough. And I have to do all these things to equal what maybe true service is, which is like, I'm coming from a place of. I'm my true, full self, and I'm going to try to help somebody else genuinely get to a point where they can get more sales or help their customers, but that is enough that I'm serving them and giving them something genuinely. So I think there is a disconnect of like, I'm coming from maybe a lower place or think that I am. And I think that I have to overcompensate with all these things. I think that's built into this mindset also is that thinking that you need this future finance and all this stuff. I'm definitely not coming from a place of strength in this mindset.

Phillip [00:20:22]:
I'm coming from a place of like, I don't have enough and I want more.

Anatoliy [00:20:27]:
Again, I know that you're disagreeing with that, but I do think that who these people are and who you think you are, I definitely think that that's at play.

Eldar [00:20:38]:
Okay.

Anatoliy [00:20:39]:
I feel that way. That's definitely what I hear.

Eldar [00:20:42]:
Well, we definitely touched on, yeah.

Mike [00:20:45]:
Based on what Philip is saying to Tolly's response, I think Philip is saying like, hey, you want to install a know belief system, but I'm so still connected to the old one. So I guess he's saying like, hey, money equals happiness. Let's just use that example. He's like, I still believe that.

Eldar [00:21:02]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:21:02]:
I want me to say service equals happiness. I can't do that. First, break this one for me. Help me understand why that's flawed and where it actually, how is it so entangled into his life. And once he's able to break that, because I think it's not just money.

Eldar [00:21:20]:
It'S the whole cover the whole thing.

Mike [00:21:24]:
It shows itself in many areas, vanity things.

Anatoliy [00:21:28]:
Yeah. It might have to be analysis throughout your life. Right. And if you feel, for example, money is happiness, for example, you need to maybe think about in what instances have you applied money where it has made you happy versus the instances where you've been able to work on yourself and more empowered yourself. And then think about how much that cost you, right? Like all these different things that you're talking about that you've grown and learned and stuff like that. I probably say that these are now been expensive things that you've bought, right? And if you put value on that, those things have all been pretty financially cheap.

Eldar [00:22:15]:
Right?

Anatoliy [00:22:16]:
It's not like elder was like, okay, for you to stop walking, you have to buy a nordic track for $10,000. Some like a fancy.

Eldar [00:22:28]:
Shift.

Eldar [00:22:28]:
My.

Anatoliy [00:22:29]:
Yeah. So far, all the wins that I've heard that you've said that you've had personally to me, don't sound like they've been expensive purchases.

Phillip [00:22:38]:
No.

Anatoliy [00:22:38]:
Right. Or things that you had to accumulate a ton of savings to acquire. So I would probably compare what you're saying that you've gotten from those things compared to things that you've bought in the past.

Eldar [00:22:51]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:22:52]:
And then try to prove to me that the things that you've bought in the past have brought you more happiness than those other things.

Eldar [00:22:59]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:23:00]:
It's a good example. Yeah. What he's asking you ultimately is to.

Anatoliy [00:23:02]:
Then prove to me that money is.

Eldar [00:23:05]:
Convince yourself that this is the case, honestly and genuinely.

Eldar [00:23:11]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:23:11]:
I think it's just so many factors too. It's like not just individuals, families. And then, like myself, then it's like society too. And allowing everything. I think this one's really big because it's not just people that I know, it's not just movies and stuff. It's everything that, and I allow it. I'm not just blaming everybody else. I'm saying that I'm taking this as a belief and that it's so easy for me to just have my belief just seen externally all the time.

Phillip [00:23:39]:
So I think it's, without examining this.

Eldar [00:23:41]:
I think it's very easy to reinforce confirmation.

Phillip [00:23:44]:
The confirmation and the reinforcement. To me, I'm able to see it on a day to day basis easily without thinking about marketing.

Eldar [00:23:54]:
To who?

Eldar [00:23:55]:
To elderism?

Mike [00:23:56]:
No, not.

Eldar [00:23:57]:
Okay, good.

Phillip [00:23:58]:
I'm saying to my mindset about money, if I go on TikTok, if I go on YouTube, I get it.

Eldar [00:24:02]:
But that's the thing, like when you see those things, if you don't have an internal process of an argument against those things, then yeah, of course you're going to be.

Phillip [00:24:09]:
But I'm not examining this. I'm saying this specific thing about money. I'm subconsciously, just like, this is my eating it up. This is how my engine, that's how I'm thinking about it. So every time that I'm going through a new process, my mind's going into that process with my current mindset of what I'm talking about.

Eldar [00:24:26]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:24:26]:
An examination does not occur when, you know that is also, I think back to what he was saying, what Socrates was saying.

Eldar [00:24:36]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:24:37]:
How can you examine something when you know something? You're not going to waste your time.

Eldar [00:24:41]:
Why would you?

Anatoliy [00:24:42]:
Yeah, why would you? That's where I think, just like having that awareness in those things but not changing, I think is definitely valuable.

Phillip [00:24:57]:
So saying to myself, okay, I realize that there is a problem here, but just keep.

Eldar [00:25:04]:
Tomorrow I'm going to come in do.

Phillip [00:25:05]:
My regular calls the way that I'm doing them, but have the awareness in my head of, like, I realize that this process is not working and be consciously aware of the pain.

Eldar [00:25:14]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:25:15]:
I feel like it is an absolutely guaranteed, I would say, natural process that if you kept doing that and you kept persistent with that, you would naturally start just like asking Eldar or me or whoever. Right. You would start asking a bunch of questions. When you start asking a bunch of questions, that change will naturally happen. I feel like. Right, 100%.

Eldar [00:25:39]:
It's inevitable.

Anatoliy [00:25:40]:
Yeah, it's inevitable. There's no way that you could be on that level of awareness, continue what you're doing, and while observing yourself, not have particular questions that will come up about the process that you'll then turn into like a sponge of wanting to find out things. And then once you do that, you'll be able to unleash those findings on the people that you speak to.

Phillip [00:26:04]:
See, we were talking about this with the girl. I remember I had a misunderstanding of, I think, how you guys were talking about it, where we were almost talking about being an actor with the girl of the people pleaser self or the guy that would just want to have sex, but then also the back of your head realizing that you're not doing the right thing, but I'm allowing myself to do it. I thought that I had to be the good person and then the other person at the same time, and I didn't think that that was possible. I think it makes more sense professionally because me going into a phone call with my current mindset, but also then the awareness of saying in the back of my head, I realize that this is not good, and then I'm going to do the bad thing. I think it's more difficult to do with a girl because I'm going through with this whole sexual act, and it's like a whole big to do.

Eldar [00:26:53]:
All the pubes are out and shit. You don't think about it.

Phillip [00:26:55]:
That one was big, but pubes are.

Eldar [00:26:57]:
Rubbing against one another.

Phillip [00:26:58]:
I was able to figure that one out with leading with my better self and then actually following through. And still there were conversations with her where I realized I was letting her kind of lead and just go on this whole rant. And I wasn't strong enough to redirect the conversation. And I think this happened today also, where I was even saying, hey, I don't know about this, but I let him still dictate the conversation. I guess I just realizing in these moments that there's pain there. I don't feel good in these situations. I don't feel empowered in these situations. So I guess it's having that mindset today and just, I guess resorting back to my old self versus this one and saying, okay, there's definitely a new mindset that's out there, or there's like a new way of thinking that maybe I'm not fully there with in terms of trusting and believing, but I know the one that I have now is not correct, and I'm at least allowing myself to think differently about it.

Eldar [00:27:57]:
Listen, it's not that.

Eldar [00:27:59]:
It's not correct.

Eldar [00:27:59]:
It's correct, Phil.

Eldar [00:28:02]:
It's correct to make you feel the way you feel.

Eldar [00:28:06]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:28:07]:
Continue doing what you're doing. It's going to make you feel this way. That formula gives you this result.

Eldar [00:28:13]:
It's correct.

Eldar [00:28:14]:
Yes or no?

Eldar [00:28:15]:
Yeah. Just know that. Yeah, that's it.

Eldar [00:28:19]:
If you do this, you're going to.

Eldar [00:28:20]:
Get that it's not incorrect.

Eldar [00:28:23]:
It's correct. But this is the results that he yields. Therefore, if you're a smart person, you're.

Eldar [00:28:30]:
Going to say, wait a second, there's another way to do this, and I'm.

Eldar [00:28:35]:
Going to get better results. I want to know, you know what I'm saying? That's all that is. It's not that it's incorrect. It's correct.

Eldar [00:28:42]:
You know what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:28:43]:
It's just the results you're no longer okay with because you realize, and you're being true to yourself right now, if you're saying, hey, guys, those results actually hurt.

Eldar [00:28:52]:
I don't want them.

Eldar [00:28:53]:
I want something different. What's the other formula? I'd like to try something else. That's it. And then you try that formula to see what the results are going to get. You see how you feel about those, and then you evaluate. I think the biggest. The power lies in being true to yourself and being honest with yourself as to what's going on. Do I think that when people realize what they realize about themselves, they want to continue to tell themselves that they're stupid and they're going to keep choosing the stupid route? No, I don't.

Eldar [00:29:21]:
I think after once or twice or three times, people are going to burn out. You're going to burn out faster and faster. You'll be like, holy shit, why am I fucking hitting my head against the same wall over and over and over? I'm a fucking idiot. People don't want to be idiot. You know what I'm saying? If you have a head that works and you could think and reason, logically, you're going to want to find a better route, an easier route that's less painful.

Eldar [00:29:43]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:29:44]:
I mean, if you offer me that, I would have to be an idiot to say, like, no, I'm going to keep doing the way that I want to go.

Eldar [00:29:50]:
And that's a battle that you have to have within yourself, not with me.

Eldar [00:29:53]:
You know what I'm saying? So what's your conclusion, toy?

Eldar [00:29:56]:
What are your final thoughts?

Anatoliy [00:30:00]:
Okay, well, there's, like, a lot of different topics.

Eldar [00:30:05]:
Totally.

Phillip [00:30:05]:
Is getting a cravings box. The carrot cake was 100%.

Anatoliy [00:30:08]:
The carrot cake was you getting a.

Phillip [00:30:09]:
Cravings box tonight or.

Eldar [00:30:10]:
No, your Uber eats it 100%.

Anatoliy [00:30:13]:
If we're going, then I'm getting it.

Eldar [00:30:15]:
Wow.

Anatoliy [00:30:17]:
What.

Mike [00:30:18]:
What happened? Philip funking out.

Anatoliy [00:30:22]:
Can I get your. I mean, I like, again, very interesting stuff. Good stuff.

Eldar [00:30:31]:
Good.

Anatoliy [00:30:32]:
As Philip would say before, and as Mike would say, okay, before as well. Right. But it's hard to say because it's not a final conversation, at least to this.

Eldar [00:30:44]:
I mean, I think that you know what he discovered. You know what he's talking about now. It's game time.

Anatoliy [00:30:50]:
I do.

Eldar [00:30:50]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:30:51]:
So what do you wish for him? Or I guess you could do that.

Eldar [00:30:57]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:30:58]:
I mean, I definitely wish for him to have a desire, like, now that.

Eldar [00:31:01]:
You know that he's suffering. You know what I'm saying? And I've known this, obviously.

Anatoliy [00:31:05]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:31:05]:
Now he knows that he's suffering. Yeah. What do you advise?

Anatoliy [00:31:12]:
I wish for him to have the awareness, to give himself the opportunity.

Eldar [00:31:22]:
To.

Anatoliy [00:31:23]:
Allow change that he's capable of to come into his life.

Eldar [00:31:28]:
Okay, that's fair. Mike, what you got?

Mike [00:31:31]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:31:32]:
And the only way it doesn't is.

Eldar [00:31:34]:
If you don't allow it to.

Anatoliy [00:31:36]:
That's like 100%.

Eldar [00:31:38]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:31:38]:
I wonder if awareness, the type of awareness we're talking about, especially here in elderism camp, can withstand not allowing.

Mike [00:31:47]:
Yeah, I don't think.

Eldar [00:31:47]:
Because in the collective.

Eldar [00:31:51]:
You can't hide.

Eldar [00:31:52]:
Somebody else is watching.

Eldar [00:31:54]:
Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:31:56]:
You can fly under the radar for so many years. You understand you could be good at it, too.

Eldar [00:32:06]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:32:07]:
But somebody's going to spot it. Somebody's going to have a net and going to catch you like a butterfly.

Anatoliy [00:32:11]:
Even if you're a juicy, big butterfly.

Eldar [00:32:14]:
Or they're going to get you. Somebody's going to get you.

Eldar [00:32:19]:
Yeah, Mike, what you got?

Eldar [00:32:21]:
I know that's a sore subject. Sorry. I think it was a good example.

Eldar [00:32:26]:
That's fine.

Mike [00:32:27]:
Yeah, I can handle it.

Eldar [00:32:28]:
Good.

Eldar [00:32:28]:
You're a big man.

Mike [00:32:29]:
Yeah, I think the whole first thing that toy was talking about. I know that I know nothing. I think it's very strong, powerful statement.

Eldar [00:32:39]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:32:40]:
It's very interesting, because if you can really adopt that philosophy and you genuinely believe it, funny enough, if you actually do believe it, you actually know everything.

Eldar [00:32:48]:
If you actually know it.

Eldar [00:32:50]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:32:50]:
If you know it and you believe it, you actually know everything. Because part of knowing everything is knowing.

Eldar [00:32:54]:
That you know nothing.

Mike [00:32:55]:
You know nothing.

Eldar [00:32:56]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:32:56]:
It's a paradox, and I think it's a very interesting one.

Eldar [00:32:59]:
If you can get stuck in it.

Eldar [00:33:01]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:33:01]:
If you can get stuck in it. Because you know that you may not know it, but you can always find out about it if you ask enough questions, get information.

Eldar [00:33:08]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:33:08]:
I almost feel like the equation there is like, knowing nothing gives you everything. Because knowing something blocks something.

Eldar [00:33:17]:
Yes.

Anatoliy [00:33:17]:
Always knowing something blocks learning and education.

Eldar [00:33:21]:
Yes. Open mindedness.

Anatoliy [00:33:23]:
Yes, it does. And even in ways that you're not aware of, which is definitely the more scarier part.

Eldar [00:33:33]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:33:33]:
I was always trying to examine it. I would say more of, like. As, like, a statement. I never understood it. There's no fucking way. There's no way. There's no way that he believed that. There's no way.

Anatoliy [00:33:44]:
In a statement sense, yes. But in an attitude sense, I feel like it definitely makes more sense to me.

Eldar [00:33:52]:
Well, I'm glad that it finally came to you, bro. What's the matter with you?

Mike [00:33:55]:
Yeah, that's interesting. But obviously, for Philip, I guess I'm interested to definitely have more these conversations.

Eldar [00:34:04]:
About this topic, because I think it's.

Mike [00:34:06]:
Interesting and sounds like it's a major part of his life that's been ruling his life for a very long time. And I think it'd be cool if.

Eldar [00:34:15]:
He could figure it out whenever it's.

Mike [00:34:19]:
The right time for him to figure.

Eldar [00:34:20]:
It out for sure.

Phillip [00:34:23]:
I think now is a pretty good time.

Mike [00:34:25]:
Well, time always tells if there's more sufferings on the menu.

Eldar [00:34:29]:
Yes.

Mike [00:34:31]:
I won't use Dr. K today.

Eldar [00:34:34]:
Dr. K. There might be more girls up in that house. Yeah, for sure. And there's bigger fires.

Eldar [00:34:41]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:34:41]:
The underestimation is always a real thing.

Anatoliy [00:34:44]:
How many bedrooms you got in there, folks?

Phillip [00:34:46]:
Bedrooms?

Eldar [00:34:47]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:34:48]:
This is a big one.

Phillip [00:34:49]:
I feel it.

Mike [00:34:50]:
This is 80,000 square foot mansion.

Eldar [00:34:53]:
This is a big one.

Phillip [00:34:54]:
I feel like this to me so far, all the ones that we tackle, I feel this one.

Eldar [00:34:58]:
Wow.

Mike [00:35:00]:
Because this one also. This is the daddy of all those other things.

Eldar [00:35:05]:
Yeah, but it lives in a glass house, bro.

Mike [00:35:07]:
It does live in a glass house.

Anatoliy [00:35:09]:
Who is your daddy and what does he do?

Mike [00:35:11]:
But those things that he was dealing with, those were like, totally. When he fights the zombies.

Eldar [00:35:18]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:35:19]:
First he deals with low level bosses, but the low level bosses still work for the big boss.

Eldar [00:35:24]:
Yeah, you're right.

Mike [00:35:25]:
You know what I'm saying? That walking, the dieting the girls thing, it's all still connected to the main thing is the main belief system is. Yeah, but interesting to see where the other areas he's going to unravel.

Eldar [00:35:39]:
Yes.

Mike [00:35:39]:
And to catch this creature hiding.

Eldar [00:35:42]:
Yeah, man, listen. Yeah, sorry, Mike, you have something else.

Eldar [00:35:45]:
Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Eldar [00:35:47]:
I think it's a very interesting journey you're about to bark on. Embark on.

Anatoliy [00:35:50]:
Embark at.

Eldar [00:35:52]:
He will bark.

Anatoliy [00:35:53]:
Embark on it.

Eldar [00:35:54]:
He will bark.

Anatoliy [00:35:54]:
He will embark on it. And bark.

Eldar [00:35:56]:
Embark while on.

Eldar [00:35:58]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:35:58]:
Yeah. Hopefully. Philip, I wish you totally wishes you enough awareness, but I hope you have.

Eldar [00:36:05]:
Big enough balls, because that problem I definitely don't have.

Eldar [00:36:09]:
I think that's what it's going to take.

Phillip [00:36:10]:
I have an intelligence making smart decision.

Mike [00:36:14]:
This thing requires a big nuts.

Eldar [00:36:17]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:36:18]:
Because this is probably the biggest ruling thing of your life.

Eldar [00:36:22]:
He doesn't understand what I'm saying. Yeah, you understood what I said?

Eldar [00:36:25]:
I understood what you said, yeah.

Mike [00:36:26]:
Because do you know what iceberg is?

Eldar [00:36:30]:
Iceberg. Hi.

Mike [00:36:31]:
Besides me being an iceberg, his name.

Eldar [00:36:34]:
Used to be tip of the iceberg. Because we only saw always a tip. And there's a fucking iceberg down there.

Mike [00:36:39]:
Yeah. What you see right now, you think you see the whole iceberg. You're like, okay, this is bad. But you're just seeing the tip. Maybe 0.1% that guy dirty. And you're like, yeah.

Eldar [00:36:52]:
Mike came from that place.

Mike [00:36:53]:
Yeah, but you only seen the iceberg, just the tip. But there's a huge iceberg underwater, and you have no idea who he's going to be, how he's going to look like. And that's why figure out how to.

Anatoliy [00:37:06]:
Build the right submarine that doesn't explode on the impact.

Eldar [00:37:10]:
Yeah, man. I hope you have big balls, because anytime you go against yourself in these types of big shifts, you need a.

Eldar [00:37:18]:
Little bit of courage and resiliency.

Phillip [00:37:21]:
Yeah, see, I don't think I have those problems. I always come to the point of, like, I don't feel like I have the proper education or ideas about.

Eldar [00:37:31]:
Listen, for sure, I hope that's the case because you in the right camp for us to be able to deduce this for you like this.

Phillip [00:37:39]:
That's where I have the biggest problem is having, like, me.

Eldar [00:37:44]:
Totally. Mike, if you come, and in this case, you have to come kind of correct in order for us to help you. You know what I'm saying? And I don't think that's for us, at least. It's not going to be an intelligence.

Mike [00:37:54]:
Battle, not going to be a lack of knowledge or wisdom or education.

Eldar [00:37:58]:
It's going to be not a lack of logic.

Mike [00:38:00]:
No.

Phillip [00:38:01]:
Yeah, that's definitely been my problem. I would say, like, if it was like ten years ago or something, I would say it's probably like an action problem. But now I don't have an action problem. Now I have how I perceive problem.

Mike [00:38:12]:
Yeah, we'll see.

Eldar [00:38:14]:
We definitely will see. But like I said, I wish you big balls and totally wishes you resilience and persistence and, I don't know, I think Mike said something about being.

Phillip [00:38:26]:
An icy bird.

Eldar [00:38:27]:
So, yeah, brace yourself, but get excited also, because I think that this is probably your next step.

Mike [00:38:33]:
This is not going to be a soft landing. No, it might not be. Damn, Mike. It was that bad? No, for you? No.

Eldar [00:38:42]:
Come on.

Mike [00:38:43]:
I'm just busting his ball. Yeah, a little bit.

Eldar [00:38:47]:
All right, good shit, guys. Bye.