LDS Podcast "Latter-Day Lights" - Inspirational LDS Stories
LDS Podcast "Latter-Day Lights" - Inspirational LDS Stories
God Can Create Beauty from the Ashes of Our Lives: Tracy Jo Rollins' Story - Latter-Day Lights
In this episode, Tracy shares some incredible stories of the challenges, trials, blessings, and joys she's experienced throughout her life, along with some valuable life lessons she's learned along the way.
From struggling with self-worth and seeking forgiveness, to becoming a divorced single mother at 19 and serving her own special mission, to building a career as a professional horse jockey, finding love, raising 7 children, and navigating a second divorce after 30 years—all while coming to terms with some of her children leaving the church—Tracy’s journey is one of resilience, hope, and inspiration.
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Hi everyone, I'm Scott Brandley.
Alisha Coakley:And I'm Alisha Coakley. Every member of the church has a story to share, one that can instill faith, invite growth and inspire others.
Scott Brandley:On today's episode, we're going to hear how one woman's decision to give God control has shown her just how much beauty he can create from the ashes of our lives. Welcome to Latter-day Lights. Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Latter-day Lights. We're so glad you could be here with us today and we're really excited to introduce our special guest, Tracy Jo Rollins. Tracy, how are you today?
Tracy Rollins:I'm doing fantastic, thanks.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah. So, tracy, you and I met through Rare Faith, through Leslie Householder's whole program. I've mentioned her quite a few times, I think, on this show I have. I've mentioned her quite a few times, I think, on this show love, love, love her. You were your coach, you coach with her, or have been one of her coaches or something. Is that correct? I am?
Tracy Rollins:I am currently yes, oh, awesome.
Alisha Coakley:And you've been doing that for how long? Going on four years, wow, that's awesome. She, I'm telling you her, her books and her whole mentality and the perspective shifts that that I've learned from doing all of those programs like so good, so life-changing. Um, and then when I met up with you, we had this awesome conversation and you shared with me the story and it just like it just touched my heart and I remember asking you and that was a while ago, it was like almost a year ago, I think when we like originally met and I was like you should totally come.
Tracy Rollins:It was almost a year ago, yeah.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, yeah, I think I think it was maybe even over a little over a year ago, maybe it was like in April of last year, but in any case, your story was just you should be a guest on our show. And then I learned even more of your story later on and I was like you really need to be a guest on the show. So I'm so excited that you're like reaching out to me, like okay, we can do this. And now you're here and I'm so excited because you're just you're I don't know. You're just like one of those people that I was instantly comfortable with. You know, like just instant, that I was instantly comfortable with. I was like she's my best friend, I can tell her everything and she can tell me everything. This might be a really long show because Tracy and I like to talk.
Tracy Rollins:You know what? Yeah, so could be, because that's true. I think we talked for a very long time and it was an incredible conversation.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, it was an incredible conversation.
Tracy Rollins:Just inspirational things that we talked about that were so uplifting and and going deep too was fun.
Alisha Coakley:Oh yeah.
Tracy Rollins:Yeah.
Alisha Coakley:Real quick. We didn't have shovels, we had freaking excavators. We were just like digging a hole. We're like heck, yeah, yeah. Well, thank you for coming.
Tracy Rollins:And thank you so much for inviting me to be here. I am really excited.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, yeah. So, ms Tracy, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about you before we get started with your story? Just kind of give us like a who are you, where do you live, what do you do, what do you like? All those fun things, like all those fun things Absolutely Okay.
Tracy Rollins:So I'm Tracy Jo Rollins and I am my kid's mom. I have seven kids and four grandkids and everything in my world is just about my family. I absolutely am so grateful to have this amazing family. And, um, I, before I had my kids, I was a professional, jockey, and so I rode racehorses. It was amazing, I did that for seven years. I actually did that after I had my first daughter and I asked people. Sometimes I'll say, hey, if you can guess what I did as a professional athlete, you know I'll give you whatever. And nobody can ever guess. They come close sometimes, but it's kind of a unique thing to say that you were a jockey, so that's kind of fun.
Tracy Rollins:Yeah, and I I've lived in Utah and I I've lived in Arizona off and on for 30 years back and forth, so I wrote it turf paradise. I moved to Arizona in 89. And then I met my husband, who is a horse trainer, and then I ended up. I quit riding so I could have my beautiful kids and raise them. In the past few years I've become a mental wellness coach. Uh, in the past few years I've become a mental wellness coach. I am a rare faith facilitator for Leslie householder.
Alisha Coakley:I am health coach and a life coach and I'm writing a book and not busy at all. Oh, that's awesome. So you're writing your first book.
Tracy Rollins:I am. I'm actually writing two books. One is called Summer of Leaks and the other one's called Into the Wishing Well. And Summer of Leaks is about a story of something that happened to me personally, and so it's a nonfiction book. And then I'm writing my fiction book is Into the Wishing Well, which will be seven books, and I know how it ends. It's just filling in all the details and the gaps of the book.
Alisha Coakley:So I love it. It's exciting. That's sometimes the hardest part. Oh wow, Well cool, Very cool.
Scott Brandley:Well, tracy, we are excited to hear your story today, so why don't we give you the floor and tell us where your story begins?
Tracy Rollins:Okay, hi everybody, I'm so excited to speak to you today. I wanted to talk to you about how God creates beauty from ashes, and there's a verse in the Bible it's in Isaiah 61, 3, and it promises that God will give people beauty in place of ashes. And the verse reads to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair. And I love that scripture. And I wanted to just tell you about how I came to find the Lord and to turn my life over to him. And Alisha said a little bit about a woman giving control over to God, and that's probably one of the hardest things that we do. Right Is to give control over to him.
Tracy Rollins:So when I was young, I never wanted to be married. I just I never thought I would get married. My family, um, we didn't go to church very often and, um, even though we were members of the church, they're very inactive. And I watched seven out of let's see, there was six, seven, eight, nine out of nine couples of my aunts, uncles and my own parents. I watched eight of them divorce and it was really heartbreaking for me. I said to myself when one of those happened, I was very excited about one of the weddings and then when I found out they were divorcing, I remember saying to myself I'm never going to do that, I won't get married and I will not put my children through a divorce. So I just won't get married and I will just drive off into my sunset in my Ferrari. So that was me, and you know God had other plans for me and he usually does right, like God has big plans for us and just when things look the bleakest in our lives, if we can put our trust in him, we'll find out where that's really going to, because everything's always working out for good. So I was just going on my merry way, doing whatever I wanted to do. However, I wanted to do it and I remember we had a white Bible at our house and sometimes I would open it up and look at it and I would just close it and say, oh my gosh, I'm going to hell. So it doesn't matter what I do, what I'm, I'm just going to do whatever I want, because God doesn't like me and I didn't really know who God was. I thought God was just this, like super being, um in the universe, this floating entity that was just out there judging people, and I felt that he had already judged me I was probably 14 or 15 years old at that time and so I just didn't really want anything to do with him or understanding how all of that worked.
Tracy Rollins:And then I was introduced to the gospel of Jesus Christ and I had an amazing experience. In this little Sunday school room they were reading this scripture that I was not familiar with and it was a story about a young man his name was Alma the Younger, and how he had murdered people spiritually. And when I heard the story and about how his father had been praying for him and his father was, as like, the leader of the church community church and he had just really taught his son but his son had left and believed that you could do whatever you want, however you want. And that's kind of where I was in my life when I was listening to this story and when I heard about the three days that this young man was in this space of darkness and his darkness and his anguish, it was like it wracked his soul with torment, and those words really hit me because I felt like that my own soul had been racked with torment, that I didn't like where I was in my life and I knew there was something better. I just felt like there were really big plans and big things for me to do here on the planet, but I just didn't know where, what or how. And in that little Sunday school room when this young man who was in this darkness remembered the name of Jesus Christ that his dad had taught him about, and he called out the name of Jesus. And when he did that, then he saw a light and he had this communication, which may have been with Jesus Christ, and he knew that he was forgiven of his sins. And then he wakes up and he has this beautiful conversion where he he said that he's been redeemed.
Tracy Rollins:And when that happened, I was sitting there feeling these feelings like really that can happen to to this person, that he did all of these, these things wrong, and I thought in my head well, if God can do that for him, can you do that for me? And I asked in my mind God, if you're there and if you can really forgive like that, can you forgive me of all the stupid things that I've done? And I felt like somebody literally took a pitcher of warm water and poured it over my head and it went all through my body to the bottom of my feet, and that was so amazing out there and I thought, wait, does that mean I'm forgiven? And I had this beautiful feeling that that was a yes. And I said and all this is just me thinking and I said, god, if you forgave me of my sins, then I will give all my sins to know you, just like I think it was King Lamoni's dad that said that, or King Lamoni.
Tracy Rollins:I can't remember. It was like that. I felt like I will give my life to you, if you forgive me, because I know where my life was going and it was not a good place. And I don't even think I would be here today if it were not for that experience, wow. So in that coming week I learned more, wow, um. So in that coming week I learned more.
Tracy Rollins:I, I, I had the missionaries over and they wouldn't let me get baptized again because I had already been baptized. But I wanted to. I wanted to be clean and pure. I was hungering and thirsting after righteousness and I wanted to know. I found out that there was a god really loves me. He, he's not this big entity that that hated me and that changed everything for me from that point on. And I said, god, if you forgive me of my sins, I will give you my life, and I just want to know now what I can do to serve you. And I started reading more about Alma, the younger, the Sons of Mosiah, and I said I want to go on a mission.
Tracy Rollins:So then I found out, because I was a single mom, I got married when I was 18 and got divorced when I was 19. And I had this beautiful little girl and I told my new bishop. I said I want to go on a mission, and he said, well, you can't because you have a child. And I said, well, my mom will watch her. So he said no. So I decided to do my own mission. So I graduated with an art degree and I was working for an art magazine. I was actually was hired to be the art director for a business magazine, and the business magazine went under. And then a company that was up and coming back in the late eighties called Novell offered me a job. Uh, and it was a really good job and I would have been set. And then I was also offered a job at the same time, riding racehorses in Arizona. And so it was a hard decision, but my newfound faith led me to believe that God would take care of me and I prayed about what I should do and he said what do you want to do? And I said ride racehorses. So I did, I left, and I left home with my little girl and a leap of faith and I went to Arizona and rode racehorses and there's a whole other story that we can talk about another time. With that it was super, super cool experiences there about how God blessed me and led me to be one of the leading riders. Okay, this is kind of funny.
Tracy Rollins:When I went to Arizona I said, god, I'm doing my mission in Arizona and I I got stacks and stacks of books of Mormon and filled them in my car and I wrote my testimony and my daughter's two years old this time almost three and she's like mommy, I want to put my testimony. So we wrote Ashley's testimony in these books. And if you were parked next to me and your window is cracked open, you had a book of Mormon in your car. I would talk to people at gas stations, all the jockeys in the jock's room. I was doing what you call cottage meetings at my little apartment. The missionaries loved me so much that I actually they gave me a missionary tag.
Tracy Rollins:Um, and my maiden name was Gleave, so it said sister Gleave, phoenix, arizona, mission. So I got my missionary tag and everybody at the racetrack knew who I was and about the book of Mormon. So, um, uh, while I was there I I got hurt, I went down in a race and I broke my collarbone and it was. It was a bad um. My horse clipped heels with a horse in front of him and I went down 40, 50 miles an hour into the ground. And I remember, on the way down 40, 50 miles an hour into the ground, and I remember, on the way down, just everything went into slow motion and I heard this voice it's okay, this is meant to be, be at peace. And so, while I was just slow motioning into the ground, I had this peaceful feeling, like that warm water pouring over my head. It was that feeling and I knew that, no matter what, I was going to be okay and I thought I was going to be paralyzed. But when I hit the ground, you you're taught to roll so that horses don't trample you. So I rolled and I thought, oh, I'm not paralyzed, but I knew something was wrong. And when I, when I stopped rolling, something was wrong. And when I stopped rolling. I just laid there and I had dirt covering my face, my helmet was off and I hear don't move, don't move. And an ambulance had come and they were putting this thing under me and thing around my neck and just wiping the dirt out of my face and my eyes. And my mom and dad had come to watch me in my first professional race, the first time they had been there um to turf paradise. And so I hear my mom's voice and she got in the ambulance with me and I looked at her and she didn't want me to ride because her dad was a jockey and she had begged me not to cause. She had watched her dad break every bone in his body at some point in his life. And I looked at her and I said, okay, mom, I'm not riding anymore. And she said, oh, yes, you are, you're getting back on the horse. But I went home, I went back to my parents' house to recover.
Tracy Rollins:While I was there, I was praying and I said Holy father, what can I do for you today? And I prayed that prayer quite often and and I got, you know, little answers every day about certain things that he's asking me to do and I'm gonna take my glasses off Cause I keep seeing glare. So I was saying this and like Holy father, what would you love for me to do today? And the answer was get married and have a family. And I said anything but that and he said that's it, that's your next step is to have a family. And I thought I trust you and in my heart I was. You know. I was just saying, lord, okay, I'll do it on the condition that I never get divorced. And I didn't hear anything like okay.
Tracy Rollins:But I went forward and I had the feeling to go back to Arizona and that I would meet the person that I was going to marry. And so I did. I went back to Arizona and I met this young man Um, I do have to put these back on, cause I can't see you guys, I can't see me. So I went back to Arizona and I, I, I had the. I had this beautiful feeling about this person I was going to meet. I had this beautiful feeling about this person I was going to meet At the racetrack, the backside. We're like family, so everybody knows everybody. And we have a softball team, we have a bowling team, we go skiing together and it was bowling season and I was in a track bowling team with our league and I met this young man at the bowling alley and I'm not going to tell you that's a whole nother story too. That's kind of crazy and fun. But to shorten this up, we had dated for a week and he asked me to marry him.
Alisha Coakley:He had been married for a year before.
Tracy Rollins:So had I. He was 28 and I was 23. And we both knew like he had. He had not been to church for 10 years and I had been in church for two years.
Tracy Rollins:At this point, this young man and I found out that he had when he graduated from high school. He left home and he never went back to church. And he was. He was into drugs and all kinds of things and he had some horrible addictions. And the week before I met him at the bowling alley, he had prayed and asked God to take away his cravings. He said I've tried everything I went to, I've went to all these different places to get help, and his mom had written him a letter that said you've tried everything. Now try God. And so he had knelt in prayer and said if you're there, if you're real, will you please help me? And he said the next morning you woke up and he knew that something was different. And he, he didn't have the cravings anymore. Wow. So it was pretty amazing experience.
Tracy Rollins:And we were married for 30 years and we had seven amazing. Well, I already have my daughter. We got still in the temple and my daughter got sealed to both of us, and then we had six more children and so it was an amazing experience that we had and we went through. We had some very amazing spiritual experiences and we had some very lows. But, as I talked about being involved with a Leslie householder and rare faith, I learned about universal laws and there's the law of opposition, there's the law of relativity, there's the law of cause and effect. So, uh, what I what I didn't know then that I know now is how opposition works in life and how that everything has to balance out Right For all, every, every ounce of good. There's that much ounce of of what we consider bad right.
Tracy Rollins:Or every terrible thing that's happened in your life, that much good is of good is there as well. So, so, um, I'm married and we're going through life and and, um, things, things changed and I knew that it was time for me to get a divorce and it was the hardest thing I ever did. You could say that I really could have been angry with God and said, hey, you know, I, I agreed on this, but only if I was going to stay married forever. In fact, um, I, our motto was from a movie back in 2008 about a rugby player. It's called Forever Strong, and that was our family motto forever.
Tracy Rollins:We had that up on our wall, and so, you know, I didn't understand why I had to experience this or my kids had to experience it, but I put my trust in God again.
Tracy Rollins:He's never let me down, and so, as I did that and I put my trust in him, he has made beauty out of the ashes and it's been an amazing beautiful experience. It's been an amazing beautiful experience, so I wanted to tell you about a few of those. So, when I knew that it was the right thing to do to get divorced which is, I just feel so crazy even saying that to anyone, but it was, and there are reasons in times when people should get divorced and it was. That was where my life was at. So, as I contemplated and I was making these decisions, um, it was hard on my family and it was hard on my kids and I felt like my, have you ever had like a string on a? If you have a shirt that's like crocheted or knitted and and a string is loose and if you pull it it's just like everything starts unraveling, yeah.
Tracy Rollins:Right, I just that was my life. I felt like like somebody had just taken the string and pulled it and they were pulling it and they were pulling it. But I also had this feeling that, Tracy, some things have to come unraveled to come back together stronger and tighter and better.
Tracy Rollins:And I said okay, I'm not sure exactly how this is going to go, but I trust you. And in the interim of that, I had a daughter who had just returned from her mission and she was heading out to Nashville to live her dream of being a singer, songwriter. And several of my kids had, you know, just went a different direction. They weren't really going to church, and I understand because we had always talked about together forever Right.
Tracy Rollins:And this is, this is our family. So it was. It was like almost like unreal that this was happening to our family and I didn't blame them, but it was just really sad and it was really hard. So I remember one time my daughter this particular daughter she would call me all the time and we would have gospel discussions, spiritual experiences, we would just talk about questions that she had or anything. It was always a great conversation.
Tracy Rollins:I was working in the temple and when she got back from her mission and we were living in Arizona and she was in Arizona and she would come to the temple with me and I was just do like a couple hours. I had a three hour shift and she would go through a session and then come in to the office and sit and just write and write and I would say what are you writing? And she would say everything. A session and then come in to the office and sit and just write and write and I would say what are you writing? And she would say everything I thought about in the temple. You know when I went through the session and she would just write and write. That's my girl.
Tracy Rollins:And then she went to Nashville. She was in the singles ward. There she met some amazing artists and talent and she got to be friends with David Archuleta and it was just super fun for her. But I was kind of concerned about some things that was happening with her and I remember her just telling me like I'm just not feeling the spirit anymore like I used to Mom, I'm reading, I'm praying, I'm going to the temple, and she had some questions. She had some big questions and I was just doing my best to answer her and I did talk to her. I said sometimes I feel like that, the spirit, how sometimes we're really close with the spirit, and sometimes that can can be a little silent for a while. And that was what was happening to her. And I just remember Joseph Smith in Liberty Jail saying oh God, where art thou and where is the pavilion in the hiding place? Right?
Tracy Rollins:And so I had to explain that to her. But she was really struggling with some things and I remember being I was in in Provo, utah, visiting some family and I was leaving um from the Provo airport and I saw this woman that was getting on the plane and I had this feeling I just want to sit by her and I want to have a conversation with her. And I ended up sitting by her and we had this really great conversation and she told me how her and all of her family had left the church conversation and she told me how her and all of her family had left the church. And they had. They went on the Santiago trail and they had this experience and they all decided together to leave the church.
Tracy Rollins:And I and I was teaching early morning seminary at the time and I was like, okay, well, tell me about that. And she did. She told me her whole story and I just kept listening and I kept saying, heavenly father, what do I say? And he's like nothing, just listen. And so I was just listening and she said you know what? We now belong to this church and I've learned about the atonement of Jesus Christ. And that just changed everything for me and I'm like what, what are you talking about? I joined the church because of the atonement of Jesus Christ it's the whole reason that the gospel of Jesus Christ. But for some reason, and she told me that she had been in a Relief Society presidency and she had not understood. I don't know how that happened, but she really just you know so. So we had this really great conversation and I talked to her about my early morning.
Tracy Rollins:Seminary was teaching the new Testament and I pulled out my lesson and I started sharing it with her and she said I've never met anybody like you. And I said what? And she goes well, I don't know, people just don't talk like that. And I said why, like what? And she was like you know, you're just talking about how much you love Jesus. It was really fun. But when I got off of the plane cause I did I did feel impressed to tell her a couple of things. No big deal, um, just to, I loved her and a couple of other things. And when I got in my car, no big deal, just, I loved her and a couple other things. And when I got in my car I said Heavenly Father, why, why? And he said sometimes people have to leave to find me and I said OK.
Tracy Rollins:I guess finding you is the most important thing. And he said, yeah. So I drove home and a week later, later, I got a phone call from my daughter and she said mom, I I'm just having, I'm having some trust issues with with God, and I I just started to talk and she said, no, mom, just listen. And I said, okay, just listen. And I said okay. And she said I left the church and I said okay, and again, I'm like how many father? And he's like just listen, just listen.
Tracy Rollins:And so I did, I listened and she told me all the reasons and everything, and and she goes are you mad at me? And I said no, I'm not mad at you, I love you. Okay, well, I, this is, this is hard, it's really hard. And I said I understand, I, I can't, for me, I can imagine it, you know, like because Christ is my rock, and I couldn't imagine not having my life anymore. And I didn't know exactly if that's what she meant, that she no longer believed in God, or how that was going to work out. But I can tell you, in the ensuing months, um, the conversation between her and I was very strained and difficult and difficult. She was telling me that I should leave the church too. And I was thinking back to this woman on the plane and I said, and I just knelt in prayer when one night and I said, heavenly Father, do you want me to leave too? And I got the answer so fast, it was where will you go? And I said nowhere, lord, because thou has the words of eternal life.
Tracy Rollins:And I know that and that was my confirmation, and I said okay. And so my daughter and I came to an agreement that because our conversations would get a little heated you know, I'm a little feisty and she's a little feisty, right? So we would have these conversations and I'm like I can never do that, I can't leave, I don't know about you, but, um, I, we agreed that she would no longer ask me to leave and I would no longer ask her to come back, and then we would have some good conversations. And that was where it was at. But I remember one time she, she called me, I was driving in my car and she called and she was mom, this and this and this, this and this and this and the church and this and this and this, and you, you were, you don't even know, you don't know the half of the things and you need to listen to me and you need to leave. And I said, okay, well, we, we've already talked about this, I'm not, I'm not leaving and we're not having this conversation. Talked about this, I'm not, I'm not leaving and we're not having this conversation.
Tracy Rollins:And she, she said no, you. And she was angry, really angry. And I was getting angry, I was elevating my voice and finally I said listen, this conversation is not going where you or I want it to go and it's not going to go any, you know, it's only going to go in a bad place. So we need to hang up. And she said fine, and I said fine, and she hung up the phone and I'm like, oh, she hung up the phone and I hung up the phone and I was mad and I've never shook my fists at the heavens, but I did.
Tracy Rollins:I was driving my car and I was like, heavenly Father, what about that? What about that? This is my girl, my girl, who I get to have spiritual conversations with. She's gone and I was angry and so I was like doing this thing? And then my car was just filled with his voice and he said I have an infallible plan for your daughter, because I am the infallible God. And I looked at my phone and I said Google, what does the word infallible mean, because I didn't really know exactly what that word meant.
Tracy Rollins:I had an idea, but Google immediately said infallible, incapable of being wrong or making a mistake. And I said wait, what are you saying, god? Because my girl is not holding onto the rod and she is nowhere near the tree and she is definitely not on the old ship Zion and you have an infallible plan for her. Yeah, I do. That changed everything for me. All of a sudden I felt bricks, weights of motherhood, of feeling like I had to be the savior, gone, lifted off of me. That was huge for me, because I realized that I'm not her savior or any of my kids savior, and he is. And I even asked him I go, do you have one of those infallible plans for me? And he said I do, I do, I have one for everyone.
Tracy Rollins:And it changed the way I look at everyone in my life. I can tell you when you feel like God has it all in the palm of his hands, no matter where our kids are, he's got them and it's his infallible plan and you can put your trust in that. It's a beautiful way to live, because you're no longer feeling like the guilt, the shame, the whatever of I shoulda, coulda, woulda is gone and I just knew all I had to do was love them and I thought I loved my kids. But this was a different kind of love this love came from. It was unconditional. I thought I loved unconditionally but I didn't. I've had a lot of conditions placed on my family and when I let go of that and let God, it's like walking on water, it's like floating. It's the best billing ever and I don't know if you guys can see this, but this is, this is my um, this is what I keep on my phone. Can you guys see that? Yeah, I absolutely love this one Cause. Right, what?
Scott Brandley:what does it say?
Tracy Rollins:Oh, it says believe in miracles. I have seen so many of them. They come when every other indication says that hope is lost. Hope is never lost. That's Jeffrey R Holland.
Alisha Coakley:Oh, I love that. Wow, that's one of my favorite pictures too. Funny enough, I have that in my living room. My children this is gonna take us off track a little bit, but, um, when my boys first saw the picture, they came home from school and I was so proud because I had it displayed like the first thing you see when you walk in and they go why do we have a picture of Aquaman on our living room? And I was like that's funny. So now it's even more of a favorite picture because Jason Momoa is like you know he's the guy too, so I'm like bonus, either way, you can look at Aquaman Jesus both great, that's awesome.
Tracy Rollins:Yeah, aquaman, jesus and Captain America. You know all over.
Alisha Coakley:I love it. Oh no, but I, I love that. I love what you said about just. You know, I have an infallible plan because I'm an infallible God. It reminds me of one of our other guests that we had on who talked about how he he had a child who had left. Um, I believe it was Ken Williams, If I remember correctly.
Alisha Coakley:I might have to double check on that, but he had a child who had left the church and and same thing, he was just, you know, like how are we supposed to move forward with this? And my kid wants to tell me all these things that aren't right. And and he had a moment too where Heavenly Father, you know, in a, in a moment of just like frustration, essentially told him he's my son too. I know exactly where he's at, you know, and I just think what a beautiful blessing he's at, and I just think what a beautiful blessing, especially as a parent, to have that assurance that heavenly father knows where our babies are, he knows exactly where they're at in their life and he's not worried at all because he can turn, like you said, he can turn everything to good. And sometimes we have to let them have that suffering and sometimes we have to let them have that separation. You know they they have to have that opposition in order to truly understand, like, just how good things are and one of the things that I love about. With the rare faith program, I remember one of the first things that stuck to me and to this day I don't know if it's taught or if it was just inspiration that was given through what we were talking about. I think it was taught, so tell me if this is accurate. But we often like to look at opposition as up down, up down, up, down right, Like you have to go up and then you have to come down and then you go up, but you're progressing towards something, and I love taking that image and flipping it this way, flipping it upright instead. So instead of going up and down, you're going left and right and left and right, but you're constantly moving in an upward motion. So sometimes things are going to feel a little off to the left and sometimes they're going to feel really off to the right, but ultimately you're continually moving upwards and that can be opposition. So it doesn't have to be bad and it doesn't have to be hard, it can just be different.
Alisha Coakley:One of my things that I've I've, you know, been talking to my kids about lately, especially like I've got a kid that's getting ready to go on a mission, you know, in the next like eight months six to eight months and, um, we, we've been talking about how, um, there, there's always going to be something going on in life that leaves you feeling unsure, that's going to give you doubt, that's going to give you anguish, that's going to give you anger. Like you know, there's always going to be something we have to struggle with, and in those moments when we don't know what's going to happen next, we can literally just be excited about it. Ooh, I wonder what Heavenly Father is going to do next. Ooh, Heavenly Father, this is a plot twist. Where are you going with this one? Oh, how are you going to fix that one, Heavenly Father?
Alisha Coakley:And just kind of take it as like a reader or like someone watching a movie. Movies would be boring if they were just great the whole time. Books would be boring if there was nothing struggling that tempted our character or challenged them. And so we really can trust that. Like you said, Heavenly Father is infallible. Nothing is a surprise to him, Nothing is hard for him, Nothing's out of his realm and his imagination is so much better than ours. So much better than ours, Like we don't have to figure it out, we just get to watch, Absolutely.
Scott Brandley:Yeah, but we also. We all want certainty in our lives.
Alisha Coakley:Well, for sure, yeah, we all want certainty in our lives.
Scott Brandley:We all want to follow the straight and narrow path and we want our kids to hold on to the iron rod and in our mind, we want that perfect scenario where there is none of this stuff going on. We just want to go straight up, Right and, especially with our kids, when our kids start doing this, we're like wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, Come back. Come back. This way, what are you doing? Right? And it's stressful and it and it hurts and you know it's just like pulls at your heart. But I love what you said, Tracy, like that's so inspiring that God has an infallible plan for for our kids and for us. Like that's so reassuring to me and I love that you shared that. Thank you so much for doing that.
Tracy Rollins:Yeah, you're welcome. You know one thing that that God has really been teaching me is about that law of opposition in all things. And I love yoga. I'm a big yoga fan, I've been doing it for over 15 years, and the whole point of yoga is to help us be still. A lot of people don't know that, but the true purpose is we do breath work, we do our workout, but it's really to get you to a point where you can get to what they call Shavasana, which is being still.
Tracy Rollins:And I remember being in that place. I was becoming a facilitator for the Rare Faith Company and I was writing articles and one of the articles was on the law of opposition and I was really just struggling, struggling. I'm like, what is the struggle with this me and the law of opposition? And it was that God had so much to teach me about that law. And so I remember laying there and I was saying, okay, heavenly Father, just help me understand this opposition thing.
Tracy Rollins:And as I was laying there, I had this vision of now I'm from Arizona, right, so, red Rock Mesa I saw two Red Rock Mesas, plains, you know, flat plains coming together at full force like boom and they just they, they connected and they created this beautiful big red mountain. And what came into my mind was that opposition equals creation. That was huge to me, creation, that was huge to me. And then I just lay there and I contemplated the creation of our planet, right, light and dark, and you know, male and female, all of these things that that equal creation are oppositions, and how we can't have this without this Right. And and then if I could remember that scripture that um can't remember, if it's Helaman, or I think Helaman to one of his, one of them is I, which one of the to the one of the sons. It says remember, remember my son, that there is opposition in all things. And it would be awesome and I would be looking really good right now if I could remember the whole quote. But I can't.
Tracy Rollins:So I am going to say go look it up. But opposition in all things, my son, if not, basically we couldn't have the good without the bad, right, we couldn't. There just wouldn't be the hot without the cold. And so that's what God wanted to teach me is about creation, and that we're all creators and he sent us here to create and whatever it is that we're creating, just like you're doing this, this podcast you're creating and you're bringing to light and to life the gospel of Jesus Christ and to to help influence, to uplift and to help other people. So that's what he he was teaching me that we all have that within us to create.
Tracy Rollins:And the other one was the law of relativity, and I'm just gonna I think I'm going to kind of end with this.
Tracy Rollins:So the law of relativity, that's another one of the universal laws that you learn in rare faith, and Leslie Householder always says that you cannot break a law, but you can only break yourself against a law.
Tracy Rollins:So if we learn about gravity and we know, hey, if you go jump off a cliff, you're going to fall, right, but if you could understand, you know that law, so you're not going to do that, right.
Tracy Rollins:But if we understood the law of opposition and the law of relativity and these other laws, then we could work with them instead of against them, and we get into the flow of life. And that brings us to the heavenly principles right, that that God used to create, to create us, to create the planet, and that he wants to teach us so that we can use those to create a better life, cause he said that we should be living a life of abundance and that we are created to have joy. And that's what I've been learning in the last four years and my, my kids. I just wanted to know that my children their age is 38 down to 16. And they have told me, since I had that experience, that I've changed so much and they're like mom, we love talking to you. Not that they didn't like talking to me before, but I have let down so much of my judgment and my guard that.
Tracy Rollins:I have just embraced them and every single good thing about them. And the other thing is, the law of relativity has helped me to do this as well and I'm going to tell you a quick little story that just envelops the whole idea of of the law of relativity. It's the law of perspective right, of how we look at things and how we see things happening. And if we're looking through you know lenses that are skewed and we're not adjusting our, our bifocals or whatever you know to see clearly, like if we were, if we had, like, some binoculars right and we could, we couldn't see until we adjusted them. Now we can see really far away and our scope of of, of our perspective, has changed.
Tracy Rollins:And so my scope of perspective about my children and what they're doing now is no longer they're. They're not bad or good, it's just. This is what this story is, and I think it might help some people out there. And I love that Elder Gong in conference. He started out with the same story. Okay, so I had people messaging me left and right. They're like Tracy Joe, he's telling your story, it's so good. But in that talk was let me think of the name of the talk All Things Work Out for Our Good.
Tracy Rollins:I believe that's the name of the talk in this last conference with Elder Gong and he starts out talking about a man and his horse and this is the way I tell it it's about the Taos farmer, which is a Chinese farmer. So this farmer he was out plowing his field and his horse breaks away and runs away and all the villagers come over and they are just like, oh my gosh, this is the worst thing ever, because it's planting season and you have to have your horse and the farmer just looks at them and he says might be good, might be bad, don't know, we'll see. And the villagers are like what are you talking about? This is terrible, you're crazy. They walk away shaking their heads Like he's nuts. I mean, this is losing your horses, awful.
Tracy Rollins:Well, a week later the horse comes back, followed by 20 wild horses, and the farmer and his son open up the big corral and all the horses run in and they shut it and they have 20 horses and the villagers come. And the villagers are like, oh my gosh, we heard what happened. This is the best day ever. You are so lucky. And the farmer says might be good, might be bad, don't know, we'll see. And they're like what are you talking about? You 20, that's like 20 Cadillacs rolling up to your front yard right.
Tracy Rollins:Why is he saying he doesn't know and it might be good or bad? So they walk away totally confused. And then it's now about harvesting season and the young man's son is out there breaking one of the last horses and he falls off and breaks his leg. Oh no, the villagers come. Oh my gosh, we heard about your son. This is awful. How are you going to get your harvest in? We can't loan you any of our kids because we're all harvesting too. And the farmer just says might be good, might be bad, don't know, we'll see. And they're like, oh gosh, might be good, might be bad, don't know, we'll see. And they're like, oh gosh, not that again, they're shaking their heads in disgust and they just leave. Well, then they find out that there's a war going on outside of their little village, that there's this big war and they have a regime has come into their small little town and they're taking all of the able-bodied young men except the farmer's son. And the villagers come and they said oh my gosh, you're so blessed, you're so blessed that they're not taking your son. They've taken our sons and we don't even know if they'll ever return. But your son is here and the farmer just looked at him and said might be good. And they said we know, we know might be good, might be bad, maybe we don't know, we'll see you know. And then they leave.
Tracy Rollins:So I love that story.
Tracy Rollins:That story has helped me in every aspect of the way I look at everything and it's helped me to be a better mom and a better daughter, a better friend, a better everything, because my whole perspective has changed with you know, I see God's finger in all of this, in the details of all of everyone's life, and so I look at what is happening and I do have empathy for people who are going through hard times and things like that.
Tracy Rollins:But I also, in my heart of hearts, I know that God's got a plan for that and he's, he's the backup, he's the one and it is the plan a and he's, he's got it. And it just helps me to stop reacting. And I remember, uh, years ago I was reading a conference talk about acting and being acted upon and I said, god, if you can just help me as a mother, as a human being, to just act and not be acted upon, brought me to. Is that now I can have experiences in my life and I can roll with those and find joy in the journey, because I really do have a new perspective of all those things.
Alisha Coakley:I love that and just for just for our listeners um, can you kind of give us a like a little definition of the law of relatively relativity, like we we hear about? Like a little definition of the law of relatively relativity Like we we hear about, like you know, the, the law of gratitude and those kinds of things. But like, do you want to just give us a little, a little lesson on how that is and the law of perception and you know?
Tracy Rollins:okay, hang on, I gotta, I gotta do this. I gotta look this up, because I have a definition for you.
Alisha Coakley:Sorry to put you on the spot there well, there is.
Tracy Rollins:There is like a Newton's law of it, you know Right.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, not that I was just kind of looking at was okay.
Tracy Rollins:So basically it is that it's like um okay, um, the same law of physics hold true in all initial reference frames. No, that's not what. I'm sorry.
Alisha Coakley:This is what you're going to be like no, you're good, so I'll tell you from rare faith perspective.
Tracy Rollins:I'll tell you from rare faith perspective, right, from rare faith, yes, so from rare faith perspective. The law of relativity is that everything's relative, like let me give you an example there was a man who had no shoes and he was very upset about it until he met a man with no feet. To me, that is just like the nutshell of the law of relativity, right? It's everything is relative to what you know, what we're going through, until we look and see somebody who's got it a lot worse than us. Right, and some people might not like that, you know, because they, you know, there is a time when you need empathy for what you're going through and you don't want to hear, well, hey, well, look at so-and-so, you know they've got it worse than you. That's not really what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is if you can just understand within yourself that, um, that you can have a new perspective of your life, that you, if you put God in that um, relativity, then then you look through different lenses. You, you see it through Christ's eyes.
Tracy Rollins:For me, that that's a different way of looking at things, uh, and so, whatever I'm going through, I can take that and say you know what, what I know on the other side of this, like if I'm climbing a mountain and I'm struggling, whatever mountain that is that I'm climbing, I can know I'm getting to the top of that mountain and I'm going to see the other side and it's going to be amazing and that. So the law of relativity and the law of opposition for me they're intertwined, because opposition is that same thing. It's like for every seed, for every action, there is a, there's a equal and opposite reaction. Right that, that for every, however the seed is of good, there's going to be an opposite seed. So I can know that it's going to balance itself out and it's all working for our good the whole thing, yeah, yeah, I really like that it's.
Alisha Coakley:It's almost like um, what you choose to compare your situation to is going to determine your attitude and your emotion about that situation. You know, there's this book called um loving what is by um, Katie Byron, Byron, Katie, something like that, Katie Byron, I think it's right her name. Anyway, have you read this one before? Have you heard of this one before?
Tracy Rollins:I have heard of it but I haven't read it yet, but I've heard it's really good, really really interesting.
Alisha Coakley:It's kind of like you take the meaning out of everything first and you just look at it as it is what it is and you know almost like okay, perfect example. My husband truly believes in every fiber of his being that if you are late that it is disrespectful. And he married me. I run on ish all the time. That is my time limit or my time zone. I will be there ish o'clock right, and so anytime that I'm late which has been so many times in our 18 years almost of marriage he's like that's so disrespectful and I'm like and yet I don't care at all if people are late, I'm totally fine with it.
Alisha Coakley:I don't care at all if people are late, I'm totally fine with it. I don't view it as being disrespectful because someone's late. So that's the meaning that you give to someone being tardy. Right, you have decided that it's disrespectful to be late. But being late actually isn't disrespectful, and it also isn't. It isn't respectful to be on time necessarily either. Unless you give it that meaning, right, like I don't know Absolutely.
Tracy Rollins:You're on the nose with that, Alisha. Yes, it's exactly the meaning that you apply to it for sure, and that can go for everything. Yeah. So if I say that, oh my gosh, this is so bad that my daughter chose to go this direction, it's terrible, it's almost, and I have friends who are living like that right now and I'm watching their life go like you know, because they're like this is so bad, this is so bad.
Tracy Rollins:And what we, if we start like getting more into the laws, what we really start understanding is our words and our thoughts are feeding into whatever's going on in our lives as well.
Tracy Rollins:So the more that you see that this is bad, this is bad, this is bad, you're getting more what you order up, right, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad. So it's like no, we have to really like decide what meaning we want to attach to it. I'll give you, I'll give you, one example that I think will really help. So I, I was in this business um with a couple of friends and we had just started this business and we'd only been going for three months. We had written up our, our bylaws and made you know agreements and sign things, and, and three months in, we were doing so fantastic that we got on a, on a zoom call, and we're calling it our celebration. You know, we're just going to do a celebration call. So we have all these women in on the zoom call and towards the end, this one woman said oh yeah, and that's why I changed the um, she basically changed the whole internal workings of something that would affect only me and my financial um, my finances, and I didn't know that she had done that and she should have gotten my permission to do that, cause we were all in agreeance, right, and so we're all on the zoom call and I'd been doing this work, doing this work, doing this work, and I thought I was pretty dang good, you know, at at the law of relativity and and the all these things and what I attached meanings I was attaching to things. And so, as we're I'm you know, all these people on the call and all of a sudden I'm just, and then I'm looking and everybody's like uh, and I'm like, oh, I forgot, I have another call right now. I got to go, we'll see you guys later.
Tracy Rollins:And I jump off because I'm devastated. I'm like what did she just say? I felt like my friends had just stabbed me in the back and I was like how, how could they do that to me? We had an agreement, and why wouldn't they come to me and say, hey, we feel like if we do this thing in this thing, change this up, and yeah, it's going to affect you, but it's probably going to affect the whole. It's for the greater good, right, for the greater good of everybody. Why wouldn't they come to me and tell me that? And why would they go behind my back and do that?
Tracy Rollins:And so I got off and I was going down fast. I was like, and I get a text from one of the you know, she's the one of the shareholders and she said can you get on a zoom with me right now? And I said fine, so I get on. And she looks at me and she goes oh my gosh. And I said what? And she said you went from here to here. And she goes. I've never seen anybody go that fast.
Tracy Rollins:And I'm like she goes, you didn't know, did you? And I said no, I didn't know. And she said, uh, I'm going to go make some phone calls, just stay right here. And I said okay, and I'm just, you know? And I told her I go, I go. Why would you guys do this? Why she goes? We thought we were told that you knew. And I said I didn't know. Nobody told me. Well, so-and-so was supposed to tell you whose idea it was. And she said she had a conversation with you. And I said no, she did not have a conversation with me. And I'm like I don't even want to be friends with you guys anymore, you know.
Alisha Coakley:I mean, that's how I'm feeling.
Tracy Rollins:I'm like so like I'm fine and I'm like I'm going home. So I'm fine and I'm like I'm going home, so I just, you know, she leaves and I'm sitting there and I'm going. I mean, I'm crushed, like crushed, and I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. I have worked too hard and I have been doing this work for four years. I'm not going there, I refuse to go there, to go down. So what do you? And I, and I asked myself the question what would I love to feel right now? And I said I would love to feel joy. I would love to feel joy right now. And so this is where you, you apply the law of relativity. So it's, it's what meaning I had attached to what they did. Do you see how I attached? Oh my gosh. They went, oh my gosh, they did this, they did that, right Betrayal.
Tracy Rollins:And now I said, if no, I'm going to feel joy, what meaning am I going to attach to this? And I said to myself I'm going to give this person the benefit of the doubt. What if she thought she did talk to me, which I thought was really kind of weird, because how could you forget that kind of conversation, right? But granted, she is very scattered and she is. She's one of those brilliant minds that's doing 50,000 things at once, right, and she's? She talks 50 million miles an hour and she's always doing this stuff. So I'm thinking she may have thought she told me. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt. Now I'm also going to tell myself that we were on a three month celebration call, that we are rocking it and maybe it was for the better good of everybody and maybe it's not going to affect me that much and maybe I just need to like see how it's going to write out before I'm making all these judges about it.
Tracy Rollins:And all of a sudden I was like, okay, I'm feeling better. So I text the gal and I'm like hey, come back to the zoom, I don't make a call, I'm okay. And you know it took me about three minutes of that Yep. In three minutes I literally changed my state and I went from here to here. My vibrational frequency is now I'm in joy, I am in joy. And back to the zoom. And she's looking at me. She's like how did you do that? And I said what? And she goes you went from to here and I go I've done the work. And she's like oh my gosh, do you want to teach me that? Oh sure.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah.
Tracy Rollins:So that's I think that's a good example of the law of relativity. Right, right Is you can choose what you're going to attack, what meaning you're going to attach to something, and then you get to choose how you feel. And you know what we can choose to sit in that. You know disgust, anger, frustration. You can, we're here to feel all the feelings. God made emotions for us to feel.
Tracy Rollins:And I'm not saying you don't need to, you need to shove those. Don't shove them down, don't do it, feel them, but just decide how long you want to sit in the feeling of that, because you can always turn to the light of Christ Right.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, and and just to know that really you're 100% in control of your emotions, and I know there's going to be so many people no, you're not Alisha, they're going to hate me, they're going to grab their pitchforks and torches but, yeah, you may have an initial feeling that that's triggered by something because of your past experiences and, again, because of the meaning that you've attached to whatever circumstance comes up right. So your brain is going to instantly trigger an emotion and tell you, oh, you have to feel this way about this. But the moment that you sit back and you think about it and you say, okay, am I going to spiral, Am I going to go down this rabbit hole of negativity? And I think honestly, it's one of the biggest reasons why we see people leaving the church right is because they get one little thing and then they spiral and then they start looking for more things and then that's all they're going to see is the holes. All they're going to see is the doubt. All they're going to see is the questions. All they're going to see is the doubt. All they're going to see is the questions. All they're going to see is the negativity.
Alisha Coakley:But in reality, I mean everywhere in Christianity, every faith, even outside of Christianity. You're going to have people who are just people, right. You're going to have people who did dumb things. You're going to have things that fell through the cracks. You're going to have culture that plays a role in the way that principles are viewed and the way that guidelines are set up, and you know it's just, it's just part of life, Right?
Alisha Coakley:And so if you sit back and you just say, okay, well, what do I know is true? Right, Not. What don't I know? Yet that I need to have all the answers for what do I know is true? What don't I know? Yet that I need to have all the answers for? What do I know is true? Number one do you know that there's a God in heaven who loves you? Do you know that there is a savior, Jesus Christ, who atoned for you? Do you know that there's a plan for your life and that life continues after death? Like? I feel like if you start kind of going through those, then everything else you can switch your perspective back to that. I may not know what's going to happen tomorrow with this situation and this person or whatever else, but I know I have a God that loves me. I know he's got a plan for me and I know that.
Scott Brandley:Infallible plan.
Alisha Coakley:An infallible plan.
Tracy Rollins:Yes.
Alisha Coakley:Thank you, scott, exactly Right, and so, even if I'm fallible, he's not Right.
Tracy Rollins:Absolutely Wow.
Scott Brandley:Wow, Tracy, you are an inspiration. I don't want this to end. Isn't she awesome, you've got so much good information and, wow, like I can see why you're a life coach, because, man, you have a lot of good information and things to share for sure thank you yeah, I, I love it, I've.
Alisha Coakley:I'm just gonna officially invite you back as a guest and we'll just do another story and some we'll pick. Maybe we'll just we just need to pick a law and we'll just focus on that law and do a story on that law, because it has been oh gosh that would be so much fun, wouldn't it?
Alisha Coakley:be so cool. Yeah, I just I think there is let's do it. I love it. There's so much to learn and there's so many ways that we can change, create that we can create a life of joy right here and now. There's so many ways that we can look at all of those. I love what you said. You know the beauty from the ashes, where we can look at the things that burned down, the things that unraveled in our life, the things that you know aren't the way that we wanted them to be, and we can pull out all of those beautiful things that Heavenly Father is creating with us. And so, just, you're amazing. So thank you so much for sharing your story today with us. Is there any last words that you'd want to leave with our audience members?
Tracy Rollins:There is. What I would love to do is I would love to offer your audience and I don't know, because we didn't really talk about this, I'm just kind of going out on a limb to say this yeah, I would love to offer them all a free audio of the Jackrabbit factor by Leslie Householder.
Alisha Coakley:Oh perfect.
Tracy Rollins:I love that. I don't know if I can share that with you, Alisha. Yes, it's a great way to get started in learning and understanding some of these things. Yeah, yeah, definitely, and I'm going to say, I think, is there a, is there a link for the hidden treasures?
Alisha Coakley:Yes, that's it. Oh, that's even. Yeah, I was.
Tracy Rollins:I just almost said maybe we should switch it to hidden treasures, because that one really explains. It's actually written to an LDS audience. Yes, which I love that she did that.
Alisha Coakley:Life-changing. I think I have read and listened to that book probably 15 times in the last couple years. It's so good, so good, so we'll do that. Yes, we will put it in. In the description we will put a link to hidden treasures by Leslie Householder, which is a lot of the principles you know that you kind of touched on today, and and even so many more that tie into the gospel and the scriptures, and it's just Right, she totally writes it with the gospel of Jesus Christ at the helm of it, so it's pretty cool.
Tracy Rollins:I like that.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, I love that. Thanks for doing that.
Scott Brandley:I didn't. I mean, I think I've heard her name before, but like you have this is fascinating. This whole, this whole podcast has kind of been around some of the things that I guess she teaches in her book. Oh yeah, I'm, I'm sucked in, I want to, I want to read this book for sure.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah.
Tracy Rollins:There's something else you know that I can offer too, and it's totally like Alisha, I'm leaving it up to you, Um, if you want to add this in, but there is a free mindset quotient quiz where readers or listeners can actually just um, take the link and it's a free. It takes about 10 minutes to do the quiz and it just, uh, it shows you on a grid where you are, in your mindset, thinking it's really fun, it's, it's awesome and that's actually how we met is.
Alisha Coakley:I did that quiz and then we got connected and it was so eyeopening. I was like, oh, I like I was proud of myself for where I was, cause I I was better off than I thought I was originally. But then I was also like I ain't got some more growing to do.
Tracy Rollins:I can be up here? Yeah, that'd be awesome. I've never met anybody who's what they call fifth realm complete, and that is. If you look at this realm complete, it really is like you're walking with your eye single to the glory of God. And you know you've, I think that's when you get. Translated is when you're fifth realm complete. So we do have work to do and then and then, and then we get to like go meet him. So there you go.
Tracy Rollins:Well it's been my pleasure. It's been so great to be on here, and I would love to come back and do some more. It's, it's, um. So it's here and I would love to come back and do some more. It's it's so. It's great topics and fun things to learn.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, absolutely.
Scott Brandley:You have an open invitation Awesome.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, let's definitely have you back. For sure, it would be cool to get Miss Leslie Householder on here to wink, wink, nudge, nudge. You let her know.
Tracy Rollins:I know she's got a million things going on.
Alisha Coakley:You should Maybe we have all of you guys we could do a panel, oh that would be so fun.
Tracy Rollins:Hey, I love that.
Alisha Coakley:So she's got a fantastic story too.
Tracy Rollins:Yeah, yeah so cool and so let's talk later, and I think you know we can. We can probably get that to happen, so I love it.
Alisha Coakley:I love it. So all right. Well, ms Tracy, thank you again for coming on and for sharing your story with us today. It's, as usual, just leaves me feeling on such a such a high like I just feel so good. You definitely have helped to to kind of like re-remind me of where I can be in my thinking and my perception and perception, and I really really appreciated hearing it and of course, I've I felt the spirit today so strong again. I mean, that's the story about you being in the car and just getting that inspiration from Heavenly Father. That was my third time hearing it. Every single time it just it just fills my soul and just builds my testimony even more. So I really appreciate you getting on here and sharing your story and sharing your experiences with us, because we can all use testimony builders in our lives, you know, and I think that that's definitely what you did. So thank you for that.
Tracy Rollins:Thank you, thank you, yeah, appreciate you guys.
Scott Brandley:I have have to agree. I have to agree with Alisha, like I'm worried about my kids. They're all starting to become adults and getting their own ideas, and not all of them are great and so maybe they are, maybe they're not, we'll see.
Scott Brandley:Scott yeah, right, but like I want I know I have these pictures in my head of like I want them to stay on that path and it, and when I start to see them, like you know, like I'm like, come on, what do you do and get your butt back on this road? And they're like I don't know if I want to right now and I'm like like, who are you?
Alisha Coakley:Right.
Scott Brandley:Yeah, but so your story, and I mean this whole podcast, has really given me personally just a lot of hope and reassurance and that means a lot. So thank you so much, really, yeah.
Alisha Coakley:Yeah, well, and to all of our listeners. Thank you guys for tuning in. We would love to hear some feedback. We'd love to hear you know what kind of resonated with you and Tracy's story. What, uh, what was your favorite part? What maybe do you have as far as a question for Tracy? Maybe you're struggling with something, um, and you're just you're not really sure how to move past it or how to change your perspective. I would encourage you to leave a comment. Um, you know, just ask Tracy your question. Reach out to her. Tracy, if anyone is interested in maybe doing coaching or something with you, how do they, how would they get in contact with you? What's the best way?
Tracy Rollins:Okay, Um, I do have some links on my link tree and or you can email me at Tracy joyful heart at gmailcom.
Alisha Coakley:Okay, gotcha, we'll go ahead and we'll share that in the description too. So if any of our listeners are out there and they're like, hey, we're curious about coaching and resources and all the good things, um, we will share all those links. Yeah, guys, just be sure to drop a comment, let us know what you think. And if you'd like to get connected with Tracy, you guys can look in the description and figure out how to do that. And if you don't mind doing your five second missionary work for the week, click that share button. Get this story out to others who need some light and love and inspiration. We would really really appreciate it.
Scott Brandley:Yeah, and if any of you have a story like Tracy and you would like to share it, share your light, go to latterdaylightscom and let's have you on the show. So until next week. Thanks for tuning in and we will talk to you later. Take care. Bye-bye.
