Are you living with a Narcissist - Part 4

Ever found yourself entranced by the charisma of a narcissist, only to find yourself caught in a web of manipulation and financial dependence? We, your hosts David R Wright and Matt Fox, explore the world of narcissism and its impact on relationships and society. We shed light on this complex personality disorder, offering fascinating insights while discussing Netflix's documentary “Sly” and the show “Bodies”.

In this lively conversation, we expose the manipulative traits of narcissists and the challenges faced by those living in their shadow. From tackling the stiff proposition of initiating change in a narcissist to the importance of financial stability and the tough choices one may need to make for personal happiness, we delve into all aspects of this misunderstood condition. Make sure to connect with us on social media and leave your reviews! Get ready for an enlightening chat that will give you plenty to ponder and discuss.

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Speaker 1: 0:00

In this episode of the Motor City Hypnotist podcast, we're hopefully going to be finishing up our series on narcissism and answering the question are you living with a narcissist? And we've covered a lot of ground over the last few episodes, so if you haven't listened to those, jump back a few, or you can listen to this one and then listen to those, as long as you get all of the information. That's the important thing, correct? But yeah, there are a lot of things that go into being a narcissist. It's hard work.

Speaker 1: 0:27

I'm not saying that on personal experience, I'm just saying there's a lot of things you've got to keep up on You're a narcissist. So, and as usual, we're giving away free stuff. We'll be right back.

Speaker 3: 0:38

Get ready for the Motor City Hypnotist, david R Wright. Originating from the suburbs of Detroit, michigan, he has hypnotized thousands of people from all over the United States. David R Wright has been featured on news outlets all across the country and is the clinical director of an outpatient mental health and hypnosis clinic located just south of Detroit, where he helps people daily using the power of hypnosis. Welcome the Motor City Hypnotist, david R Wright.

Speaker 1: 1:26

What is going on, people? This is David R Wright, the Motor City Hypnotist. We are back with another episode of the Motor City Hypnotist podcast. Welcome back, welcome back to you, matt Fox. That's the other voice you hear. That it is. We're here live if you're on Facebook Live right now and podcast your voice. Southfield Studios.

Speaker 2: 1:45

Yes, we are.

Speaker 1: 1:46

Hanging out doing a podcast. Hey, it's a living. Matt's got his Wendy's. I have some. What do I have? I have some Four Roses here. Oh, good for you, that's good stuff, it's good stuff. That's nice, is it small batch? Oh, I didn't know that Okay.

Speaker 2: 2:00

Yeah, nice, it's a hoiny-toiny over there. What's up bottom two? Oh, I like this in the background.

Speaker 3: 2:09

What the fuck is it with you?

Speaker 1: 2:12

So thanks, folks, for joining us. Let me tell you where you can find me. My website is MotorCityHypnotistcom. Check it out. All kinds of good stuff on there. We are getting, slowly but surely, the show notes from the podcast back logged into the website because they long story short. We revamped the website less than a year ago and just taking a while to get that put in, so it'll be there. Find me on social media Facebook and YouTube, which are both MotorCityHypnotist.

Speaker 1: 2:39

The big thing is on social media. The best place to go is Facebook. That's where all of the podcasts are live streamed. That's where all of my connections as far as communication goes, and I think we're right at around 45,000 on the Facebook page. So that's my biggest chunk of social media. I mean, I use the other ones, but nowhere near as much as Facebook. So not that I love it, but it's a great way to connect with people. It's the biggest platform out there to connect as far as social goes. It's called networking. Yep, absolutely. Snapchat and Instagram are both MotorCityHypno. H-y-p-n-o and, as usual, free hypnosis guide. It's all yours free. Come on, it's a PDF. I wrote it. It's free. Algorithms are outside news Text. The word Hymnosis to 313-800-8510. Do it, do it. Do it now. You know we can do it. You can do it live, we'll do it live. Fuck it, do it live. I can do it. I'll write it and we'll do it live. Fucking thing sucks. Well, it doesn't really suck, but yeah, if you do it now, you'll do it live.

Speaker 3: 3:48

Language, yes, language. Oh boy, that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast. It just slipped down. Yeah, it does. That's what we do here. That's what happens.

Speaker 1: 4:04

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Speaker 3: 4:34

So excited.

Speaker 2: 4:41

That's how winning is done. Did you see that there's a new Netflix documentary?

Speaker 1: 4:50

It's called Sly. No, yeah, is it really? Yeah, I did, I have not seen that. Yeah, just dropped. Okay Sidebar for Geek Sidebar. I know there are a lot of shows out there. I just started. Have you watched the Netflix show Bodies?

Speaker 2: 5:03

We started watching it. I think we're three episodes into it, okay.

Speaker 1: 5:07

That's about where I'm at. Yeah, it's interesting, it's. It's it's Kendra and I started watching it and she said I don't think I'm going to go with that. I got to pay attention too much.

Speaker 2: 5:16

It's it's. It's very interesting All the different time frames.

Speaker 1: 5:19

Time frames yeah, and the same body.

Speaker 2: 5:22

It's it. We're trying to get through it. It's, but it's.

Speaker 1: 5:26

The thing I like about it. There's so many questions.

Speaker 3: 5:29

Yeah, that like how is this happening? How is this? Yeah, yes, yes, oh, no I.

Speaker 1: 5:36

I'm kind of. I'm kind of starting to dig it. I'm about three episodes in and I think I'm going to finish it out because it's, it's kind of hit.

Speaker 2: 5:41

It's a limited series like eight episodes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, we'll get through it.

Speaker 1: 5:45

Oh yeah, salisbury Police Department of North Carolina is honoring one of their own who said he was willing to die in a car fire in order to save the unconscious motorist trapped within. Okay, lieutenant Corey Brooks is the hero in question, who saw a tractor trailer hit the guard rails along interstate 85. Saw it, he saw it.

Speaker 2: 6:11

Or heard it.

Speaker 1: 6:12

Saw. Okay, the tractor trailer hit the guard rails along interstate 85 and catch fire. The driver, michael Williams, was unconscious. Okay, this truck can go at any time and I was thinking I'm either going to die here with him or I'm going to get him out of here. Brooks said Wow when it hit the wall. It scared me, because it's not every day you see a tractor trailer hit a wall that fast. Right. For anyone who knows Brooks, this wouldn't come as a surprise, who has already won commendations that include the city of Salisbury, bronze Keys of Excellence, salisbury Police Veteran Officer of the Year, the 2016 Blue Line Brotherhood Award and the Lions Club, salisbury Police Veteran of the Year.

Speaker 2: 6:56

See so this guy's pretty decorated.

Speaker 1: 6:58

Yeah, he sounds like a hero. Yeah, oh no, he sounds like he's really good. You know, why do you?

Speaker 3: 7:03

I'm very important. I have many leather bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.

Speaker 2: 7:13

But I wear a cape.

Speaker 1: 7:15

Well, I'm saying this guy could say all of that and it would be true, because he is. I mean he's got all kinds of decorations. The department released body cam footage of Brooks rescue, which is nothing short of something from a diehard film. It shows Brooks running down a line of burning fuel to the cab of the truck where Williams is slumped unconscious in the seatbelt. Was he barefoot? No, not. Running on glass. Shoot the glass. Hey, yippee-ki-yay Okay.

Speaker 3: 7:43

Go on Okay.

Speaker 1: 7:46

Brooks screams at him to get out, but quickly realizes he must remove the driver himself and does so after unlatching the seatbelt. Sorry, page Turn. Another driver wearing an Argentina national football team shirt showed up out of the blue to help Brooks haul Williams across the street. My goodness, whom the officer later called an angel and whose identity remains a mystery, huh yeah. So if you're wearing an Argentina national football team and you help somebody out of a burning truck man, make yourself known.

Speaker 3: 8:16

You're the mystery man.

Speaker 1: 8:17

Yeah, we want to be hero. We want to include you in the hero. Well, he's all. He is included as a winner, but we don't know his name. Brooks remarks about the truck being capable of going at any time, or no exaggeration. Just minutes after he pulled Williams to safety, something can be heard exploding from the direction of the semi.

Speaker 1: 8:36

Ah, if there was only a camera, a movie camera in front of him as he's running away, walking away, the big explosion in the background. The victim, williams, made a full recovery and Brooks said the ordeal was the scariest moment in his 25 years of law enforcement. After everything else that he did, that's the scariest moment. Yeah, that's, I mean that. Think about that. That thing could explode at any second. And you're going into it. Yep, yeah, fight or flight.

Speaker 2: 9:03

Well, yeah, he fought.

Speaker 1: 9:06

I don't know, I don't know I might be flight. No, no, don't shut me up, I don't know. You never know in those situations.

Speaker 2: 9:14

The roof. The roof is on fire.

Speaker 1: 9:19

What in places are you talking about? But I'm saying it's impossible to put yourself in that situation when you're critically thinking and just talking about it. Sure, if something happens, who knows what would happen? Yeah, we could all be heroes. Who knows? We could all be winners of the week. We could be heroes, but I doubt I'm ever going to do something. This officer.

Speaker 2: 9:38

Brooks did. Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 9:39

Yeah, officer Brooks and Mr Williams, who is the victim definitely winners of the week, right.

Speaker 2: 9:54

That's how winning is done.

Speaker 1: 9:56

So it is yes.

Speaker 2: 9:58

So you've heard the whole thing about the whole diehard movie and the the, the debate as to whether it's a Christmas movie. Well, I'll give you something new to think about. Okay, during the movie diehard, one of the terrorists actually reaches for a candy bar. Diehard is a Halloween movie.

Speaker 1: 10:18

Oh.

Speaker 2: 10:18

Okay, because he was at a movie he was watching on move. He was a luncheon I candy in a movie theater.

Speaker 1: 10:23

Okay, well, and I will say I don't know if you else, you saw the the roast of Bruce Willis a few years back.

Speaker 2: 10:30

Yes, he said it's not a.

Speaker 1: 10:31

Christmas movie. Yes, so take it from the start. I mean, what are you gonna do so?

Speaker 2: 10:37

back to it, not that he will remember that right.

Speaker 1: 10:40

Oh too, wow, is that too soon?

Speaker 2: 10:44

Yeah, well, no it we're fine, we're fine, I don't think this will get back to him, so.

Speaker 1: 10:51

So, speaking of narcissists, nice, we're talking about are you living with a narcissist? And again, this doesn't. It's not limited to your partner. It could be a family member, it could be a a friend, could be a roommate, who knows? But in most cases, you'll get to know this much, much more intimately if you're, if you're, a partner of someone. So we ended the last episode of. The last Category we talked about is that you feel unloved. There's no connection. I don't feel important. This is, this is a, this is a manipulation behavior. This next one I'm going to talk about okay, you get the silent treatment. Oh, the silent treatment. Yep, who are you? Again, the silent treatment, huh, huh, what. It's not like this woman, so no, You've had your limit today.

Speaker 3: 11:46

You drink water. No, that was not silent.

Speaker 1: 11:48

That was not. So no or not.

Speaker 3: 11:50

Are you gonna wipe a table with this little? It's not even wet.

Speaker 2: 11:53

No, the silent the silent treatment is very difficult because you don't know what you did wrong.

Speaker 1: 11:59

Here's the thing about silent treatment it is total manipulation. Your silence is is your way of trying to control someone else, and when you do that, it it's you're withholding your affection, you're withholding any type of communication and Really disregarding the other person's presence. All together, you're just dismissing them. When you do silent treatment and here's the whole thing about a narcissist they're only gonna choose to engage with you if it's a benefit to them. If it's not to their benefit, there's no need to even talk. There's no even. There's no need to communicate. It only serves their own interests if they're, if they're communicating with you know.

Speaker 2: 12:39

I cannot tell you and I'm sorry to bring this out I can't tell you how many times I've walked up to the bedroom door on eggshells and knocked on it and be like everything.

Speaker 3: 12:47

Okay because, there's nothing.

Speaker 1: 12:49

There's nothing right, go on well, and really there are times when you need your own space. So I'm not I'm not talking about that healthy having your own space to do things now talking about beyond that.

Speaker 3: 13:02

That's, yeah, this is way beyond that, that.

Speaker 1: 13:03

This is a manipulation tactic. So, and it doesn't really doesn't align with the values of a healthy, loving, communicative relationship, sure?

Speaker 2: 13:15

So, silent treatment is simply a Manipulation that's all it is to be on the receiving end of that silent, and it's not fun.

Speaker 1: 13:24

Here's the other thing with a narcissist they will make you dependent on them financially. Okay, they will exploit their partner, their other person, whoever it is, and Use finances as a way to do that. Hmm, now, it's not uncommon for a narcissist to to you know, here's the other way. You go one of two ways. The narcissist will have total control and not Not share the wealth or not have give the other person privy to finances. Or could be the opposite. They could be the one who refuses to work and puts all the oneness on the other person to support the family. Sure, that happens a lot, huh, cuz they feel like they don't, they don't need to exert themselves, that they're important. So therefore, you should work and support me.

Speaker 2: 14:20

You know I've heard a lot of the terminology financial abuse being thrown around recently and you know, it's a real thing Absolutely and you know, as a one income, as at the time, as a one income household and there was only one income coming in and that one person was maybe doing two or three jobs at the same time to bring in that one income Right Absolutely. You know, think things got a little out of control, right?

Speaker 1: 14:45

If you will Right, absolutely. And what happens when you're, when you're stuck financially and I've seen this over the years many, many times that that people are in a bad relationship, a bad marriage oftentimes, and one person is trapped because they don't have the means to financially support themselves, mm, hmm, they don't leave because they're dependent on the money. Sure, and that really that's a terrible situation to be in, because really you're saying I'm going to take all of this abuse because I have to.

Speaker 2: 15:15

Mm, hmm.

Speaker 1: 15:17

I will say, as bad as it is and I've told clients this before and I hate to put it this way but would you rather be poor and happy, or stable, financially stable and miserable? Sure, it's a tough choice, I know it is.

Speaker 2: 15:34

It's not as easy as I say that and that makes it pretty clear cut, but it's something you need to think about it can actually goes a lot deeper than that as well, where decisions about money is being made on by one person that doesn't have that income, right, yes, yes. And they're making decisions on the other person who has that right brings in the income and it just it makes it even more more intriguing about the whole. You know who's more narcissistic.

Speaker 1: 16:03

Right? No, absolutely Absolutely. Here's the next one. You cannot rely on your partner. Wait, wait, wait. You cannot rely on your partner.

Speaker 1: 16:12

Right, because they say something Narcissists make promises they never intend to follow through on. Got it. It's a means of control, it's a means of manipulation. We'll get to it, and it's it as a result of the other person, who's not. The narcissist ends up shouldering all the responsibility in the relationship, whether that's finances, whether that's a child care arrangements, whether that's repairs, whatever it is the narcissist, you can't rely on them. They will not fulfill their commitments.

Speaker 2: 16:49

You know it's. It's tough when I'm not defending anyone in any way, shape or form, but when there are things that need to get done but something else takes precedence, like medical bills, it comes to a roof over your head making sure that shelter shelter that mortgages pay, there's food on the table, there's clothes on your back and what have you? There's a lot that goes into that. So if you make a promise and you can't fulfill it within a certain period of time, that's when you sit down and have that goal conversation.

Speaker 1: 17:19

No, absolutely yeah. You just say, hey, we have to, we have to switch up here, because this is where we're at Right and this, this is the whole Maslow hierarchy of needs your safety and security, and shelter, and and and sustenance, food, right it is, it's that, that's, that's the main thing that you have to take care of first.

Speaker 2: 17:37

My everything else goes from there. My father told me something super important years and years ago and it still sticks to me this day. He said do not live beyond your means. Yep, If you are living beyond your means, you need to figure out what you don't need and then build from there.

Speaker 1: 17:56

Yep, I follow a couple guys on on like YouTube, a couple of channels. They watch financial channel specifically, but there's, there's one of the guys that's that's. He calls it the terminology. It sounds stupid, but it's butter and guns. He said butter and guns and it's a difference between needs and wants. Okay, yeah, really is what it what it breaks down to. And most people who he's worked with that are in financial straits. He just tells them where's the things you have to do to 50, 30, 20 rule yeah, start doing it. And what if you do that Eventually? If you stay with it, you will be in a better place financially in a year or two, sometimes longer. But if you just cut out the cut out the frivolous, cut out the not needed things for two years, do you know how much money you'd save? Yeah, Tons.

Speaker 2: 18:50

Yeah, I have two more kids that are going to be getting married.

Speaker 1: 18:55

I'm telling you right now yeah, right, oh, good for you. That's a lot. So, yeah, you can't rely on your partner. Here's a big one. And this will often happen when a narcissistic relationship comes to a head. You've asked, you've asked them, but they will not change.

Speaker 1: 19:16

A narcissist doesn't want to change because they're getting everything they want. Sure, they don't want to. And by changing, it would mean them acknowledging their shortfalls and their shortcomings, and they do. Narcissists will not do that. It will go against their nature. And if you've asked if you're living with a narcissist whether that be a partner, whether that be a family member, whether that be a friend and you've asked them to not necessarily go to therapy per se but let's work on this and talk it they will not do it. Sure, they don't want anything to change because they're getting exactly what they want, right. So why would they want to change? So that's the big one.

Speaker 1: 19:57

Because I often and here's the thing that I've seen it over the years I'll have a couple come in for marriage counseling. They come in, they sit down on separate ends of a couch. I start talking. I know immediately the person that does not want to be there. Oh, body language, now, sometimes it is mutual. I will say that's rare, though it's rare that both partners are there equally. Yeah, so we want to work this.

Speaker 2: 20:23

They're 50-50 into it, right, but that's rare. It's more 90-10. Yeah, yeah, they're right around.

Speaker 1: 20:30

So the narcissist does not. They're unwilling to change behavior because they don't think there's anything wrong with them. Because if they were willing to change behavior, that says they would be admitting to themselves something's not right, I'm not doing something correctly, and that, for a narcissist, that's the worst thing they could do, because they're always right.

Speaker 3: 20:51

They don't want to admit it, they're always right.

Speaker 1: 20:54

So we've talked about narcissism over the last four episodes and given you a lot of information. What do you do? What do you do if you live with a narcissist? I'm raising my hand. Yes, raise your hand. Cut the cord. Well, that is one, just cut them off.

Speaker 1: 21:10

Now there are some things you can do to move towards cutting that cord, but I'm with you on this, go on. Because here's the thing Narcissism is a personality disorder and if you guys, I'll get a little bit psychoish, psychobablish here, it's not like depression or anxiety or things like that that come up during life, based on circumstance, based on brain chemistry. Personality disorders develop at a very young age and it is very unlikely to change somebody with a personality disorder later in life. Okay, now, I'm not saying it can't happen. If the person really wants that, that can happen, but it's very unlikely. Okay, so seek therapy would be the number one thing. If not, if not together, when?

Speaker 1: 21:54

Again, it probably won't happen together, because a narcissist will never go to therapy because they don't need help. For you, you need to take care of yourself. Part of that is seeking therapy and support from friends and family and letting them know the real story about what's going on. Create and maintain strict boundaries and let them. Let the narcissist know. Okay, and here's the thing a narcissist is that's going to scare the hell out of a narcissist because they don't want anything to change, and as soon as somebody starts sending boundaries with them, they're going to be like oh no, I'm losing control. This person's not going to be doing what I want all the time, but to see whether you stay or go.

Speaker 2: 22:38

I'm not laughing because it's funny.

Speaker 1: 22:40

I'm laughing because I'm PTSD no no yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:44

It's how I handle it Right. No, I get it, okay. Okay, so create and maintain strict boundaries and stay with them, don't and here's the thing about boundaries they're hard to stick to because it's going to cause conflict. It's kind of like I go back to the kid example it's easier to let your kids sleep with you because you don't want to step to 4 am making them stay in bed Right Now. I get it, it is easier, but at some point you have to take those steps to create those boundaries. Keep detailed records of conversations, events, because when a narcissist tries to gaslight you, when they will we've talked about that one earlier on a couple episodes ago you will have proof of exactly what transpired and what happened. You have a record of it and it's hard to argue about something that you've kept detailed records on. Document, document, document. This is a difficult one. Resist gossip. Wait, go back to that.

Speaker 2: 23:41

Go back to that last one Keep detailed records of conversations events. A narcissist will actually keep those records themselves and they will turn it back around on something else.

Speaker 1: 23:49

They could, yes, but their records are not going to be as accurate because they're looking at it from that frame of reference that they're always right and you don't get full story. You'll get a spin yeah, you'll get a spin, just like they spin to everybody else that they're not who this person is saying they are. Go on, resist, gossip it. Just it doesn't help. The whole thing is for you to get to a better place, and I know that's easy to talk about somebody behind their back, but it doesn't get anywhere. Use that energy to do something productive.

Speaker 1: 24:20

Sure, okay, gaining knowledge about narcissism is really one of the best things you can do. There are groups, a lot of groups around, for it's a narcissist support group for partners of narcissists. There's a lot of support groups for any different number of things, but I know of specific ones and I can't tell you right off hand where they're at, but I can. I can get that information for you that are specifically partners of narcissists, how they deal with it, a support group for people who are going through the same thing you're going through and that can give you some insight. But the big thing to know is that if it is unlikely that a narcissist is going to change, which we know it is unlikely. How long are you going to stay?

Speaker 2: 25:02

Right.

Speaker 1: 25:03

Really, that is the big thing, because the hope is and this, this is kind of this old cliche that goes way back and I don't know, oh, if I, just if I do this, this and this, they'll change, not likely, hmm, so I and I say this to every client you take care of yourself, you can't worry about somebody else, you can't worry about. Well, what are they going to do if I leave? Who cares? Sure, you're taking care of yourself. You need to put yourself number one, and that's when I say selfish is a good thing. You need to put yourself number one and work your way out of that relationship.

Speaker 1: 25:41

I love it, yep, and if you haven't, again, there's so much information online about this. Do a search. Actually, look at my website. There are a lot of the notes for this. This whole series will be up there soon, so check that out and you can reference all of the things we talked about. But the big thing is, if you don't make change, nothing will change. Sure, you have to, you have to be committed to doing that.

Speaker 2: 26:05

You got to make yourself uncomfortable to get comfortable.

Speaker 1: 26:08

Yep, and if you stay doing the same thing, it's not going to change. In fact, it'll probably get worse. Yeah, it will get worse before it gets better. Absolutely All right, folks, that is our series. Are you living with a narcissist Before we take off? All right, somebody needs a home. Who that Detroit dog rescue? Rescue swish swish, swish.

Speaker 2: 26:29

All right, let's see what we got here. There's swish. Is that a terrier mix Swoosh Looks like a terrier.

Speaker 1: 26:37

It is a shitsu, mix A shitsu.

Speaker 2: 26:42

You know what you get when you make a shitsu. What are you people On dope when you have a bulldog, yeah shit head and a shitsu mate, it's bullshit, bullshit.

Speaker 1: 26:52

Yeah Well, shit head was Steve Martin's dog in the shirt. Yeah, anyway, swoosh, there's the name, swoosh. I love it. Look at that face. Who could look at that?

Speaker 2: 27:05

So when swoosh leaves the room, does it become swish? I?

Speaker 1: 27:08

don't know, does he have a Nike emblem on us?

Speaker 2: 27:12

I carved into him or something, just do it.

Speaker 1: 27:15

He was born on October of 21. So he's just about just over two years old, nice. He's a male, 20 pounds, dog friendly, kid friendly, over eight Okay.

Speaker 2: 27:25

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:26

Cat friendly Doesn't say unknown Okay, unknown about cats, but anyway he needs a home. Detroit Dog Rescue Just do it. Just do it, detroitdogrescuecom. Check them out. Thank you, give Swoosh a home. All right, folks, swoosh, thanks for joining us. We will be back next week. I don't know our subject matter yet because we haven't figured it out yet, but we'll be back with another exciting, thrilling, fantastic, crazy episode. Oh the adjective.

Speaker 2: 27:52

Oh, great Odin's Raven, those adjectives are just flying off the microphone.

Speaker 1: 27:55

I know that's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, it might be fired.

Speaker 3: 27:58

Clean up your desk, you're gone.

Speaker 1: 28:00

Anyway, thanks for joining us folks, change your thinking, change your life. Laugh hard, run fast. Be kind, we'll be back.