Discover the unexpected journey of hallucinogenic therapy in the realm of mental health as we unwrap the science that's redefining treatment for depression. Our latest conversation leads us down a path of fascinating studies and firsthand accounts of how ketamine is making waves with its ability to lift the darkness of severe depression. We wade through the sea of potential and side effects to equip you with the knowledge necessary for safe exploration in this therapeutic frontier, making sure you're ready to step into the light.
This episode also shines a spotlight on the heartwarming rescue of Connie the dog by the brave US Coast Guard, a tale that reminds us of hope in surprising places. The joyous season of proms and graduations takes a front seat, too, as we discuss how you can be a part of our upcoming shows and live the excitement alongside us. It’s a mix of deep science, community engagement, and uplifting stories that will leave you feeling part of something greater.
As we navigate the intricacies of ketamine therapy, we emphasize the critical steps to ensure your journey is as safe as it is transformative. From the importance of consulting with a physician to selecting the right clinic, we cover the essentials you need to consider. The road to healing is not without its financial toll, and we delve into the details you'll want to have on your radar before embarking on this cutting-edge treatment. Join us next Monday at 8 PM Eastern Standard Time on Facebook Live as we continue to share wisdom and laughter, certain to enrich your week ahead.
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Change your thinking, change your life! Laugh hard, run fast, be kind. David R. Wright MA, LPC, CHT The Motor City Hypnotist
Discover the unexpected journey of hallucinogenic therapy in the realm of mental health as we unwrap the science that's redefining treatment for depression. Our latest conversation leads us down a path of fascinating studies and firsthand accounts of how ketamine is making waves with its ability to lift the darkness of severe depression. We wade through the sea of potential and side effects to equip you with the knowledge necessary for safe exploration in this therapeutic frontier, making sure you're ready to step into the light.
This episode also shines a spotlight on the heartwarming rescue of Connie the dog by the brave US Coast Guard, a tale that reminds us of hope in surprising places. The joyous season of proms and graduations takes a front seat, too, as we discuss how you can be a part of our upcoming shows and live the excitement alongside us. It’s a mix of deep science, community engagement, and uplifting stories that will leave you feeling part of something greater.
As we navigate the intricacies of ketamine therapy, we emphasize the critical steps to ensure your journey is as safe as it is transformative. From the importance of consulting with a physician to selecting the right clinic, we cover the essentials you need to consider. The road to healing is not without its financial toll, and we delve into the details you'll want to have on your radar before embarking on this cutting-edge treatment. Join us next Monday at 8 PM Eastern Standard Time on Facebook Live as we continue to share wisdom and laughter, certain to enrich your week ahead.
FIND ME: My Website: https://motorcityhypnotist.com/podcast My social media links: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/motorcityhypnotist/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCjjLNcNvSYzfeX0uHqe3gA Twitter: https://twitter.com/motorcityhypno Instagram: motorcityhypno FREE HYPNOSIS GUIDE https://detroithypnotist.convertri.com/podcast-free-hypnosis-guide Please also subscribe to the show and leave a review. (Stay with me as later in the podcast, I’ll be giving away a free gift to all listeners!)
Change your thinking, change your life! Laugh hard, run fast, be kind. David R. Wright MA, LPC, CHT The Motor City Hypnotist
Speaker 1:
In this episode of the Motor City Hypnotist podcast, we're talking about hallucinogenic therapy. Yes, this is part two. If you've not listened to part one, you can jump back in the episode or just catch up after we're done with this one, because it all goes together anyway. So, but to get all the information you want, make sure you listen to both episodes. So, yeah, we're going to finish up. I'm going to tell you I last episode was kind of an intro to it what it is, what it does. We're going to tell you, as far as results and studies, what the science is showing, okay, and also where to go. If you're interested in this, all right, and, as usual, we're giving away free stuff. Hang in there, folks, we'll be right back.
Speaker 2:
Get ready for the Motor City Hypnotist, david R Wright. Originating from the suburbs of Detroit, michigan, he has hypnotized thousands of people from all over the United States. David R Wright has been featured on news outlets all across the country and is the clinical director of an outpatient mental health and hypnosis clinic located just south of Detroit, where he helps people daily using the power of hypnosis. Welcome the Motor City Hypnotist, david R Wright.
Speaker 1:
David R Wright. What is happening, my friends? This is David R Wright, the Motor City Hypnotist, and we're back with another episode of the Motor City Hypnotist podcast. Yeah, that is Matt Fox, the other voice you hear? Yeah, I'm just enjoying his Matt.
Speaker 3:
I'm just in the background.
Speaker 1:
Ah, you're there. All right, you're part of the show, man, you're not getting out of it now. Oh, fair enough.
Speaker 2:
Boy that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast.
Speaker 1:
Yes, it did. Yeah, you're not just sitting in the background, man. Oh, I like this in the background. What the fuck is it with you so much?
Speaker 3:
So much. No, these topics that you have brought to the table today are very, very interesting, because it's kind of close to my previous life, yeah, and I don't want to get into that in any way, shape or form, but I just kind of understand where some of the things you're talking about you know, I get it, I do understand it.
Speaker 1:
So, right but.
Speaker 3:
I'm interested in learning a little bit more.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely, we're going to get into that. Let me tell you where you can find me, folks. First website is MotorCityHitNutistcom. Go to the website to book your show. Prom grad season is upon us in a couple of months. It's going to be crazy, and if you want to book your show, my dates are filling quick. So go to the website, click on shows. You can fill out a form online, have a quote within a couple of minutes and you can book it directly. So, yeah, do it now, because, like I said, schedules filling up quick.
Speaker 1:
Find me on social media. Facebook and YouTube are both MotorCity HitNutist, and Snapchat and Instagram are both MotorCity Hypno. That is HYPNO. And, as usual, free hypnosis guides always available. Text the word hypnosis to 313-800-85010. Again, that's 313-800-85010. If you need to look the number up later, just either go to my website and the number's right there or check out the show notes. It will be there. The most important thing, wherever you're listening, whatever platform you're on, whether it be iTunes or Spotify or Stitcher or wherever, subscribe to the show one so you'll get it when it drops. And then the other thing is please leave a review. That is helpful. That helps more than almost anything, because people will see it, and then other people want to listen, so that would be fantastic. That works All righty, it is time. Here we go.
Speaker 2:
That's how winning is done.
Speaker 1:
So this story is about the US Coast Guard rescuing a dog. Okay, it's an animal, another animal story which we love. But it's a twist. It is, there's little twists. So a dog was rescued in Texas on Wednesday after members of the US Coast Guard discovered the pup trapped inside a shipping container. Okay, official said, all right. Members of a Coast Guard inspection team were randomly selecting containers from among thousands at the port of Houston when they suddenly heard barking and scratching from inside one of the containers stacked about 25 feet in the air.
Speaker 3:
Help me no.
Speaker 1:
No, don't shut me up. When they lowered the container and opened the door out popped a very happy dog. Officials said Sound like this yeah.
Speaker 2:
Man.
Speaker 1:
This sweet girl was trapped in the container for at least a week A week and was tired, hungry and very happy to see her rescuers. The Coast Guard said what was in the container. The dog was able to stay alive. That's a good question. The pup since nickname Connie the Container Dog With the K.
Speaker 3:
What kind of stupid wiener name is that Connie the Container Dog Connie the Container.
Speaker 1:
Dog.
Speaker 2:
That's original Clean out your desk, you're gone.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, had gotten stuck inside a container full of totaled cars originating from Houston Gabelston area that was about to be shipped overseas. According to the Coast Guard Officials said, it was not immediately clear where the container was being shipped, so it was wrecked cars. That was what was in the container. Um, I have questions, yeah. So based on that, here we go. This may answer your questions, matt. So based on that, they think that the dog most likely was in a junkyard, in a car. That's how she accidentally got put into the container. Okay, guard spokeswoman.
Speaker 1:
Chief Petty Officer Corrine Zilnicki told the AP Press Associated Press Okay, after giving Connie some water, the Coast Guard team brought the lucky pup to an animal shelter. As of Sunday, connie was in the care of forever changed animal rescue, where she was being treated for heartworm and awaiting adoption, according to the shelter. So, okay, we will also be doing a full work up on her to ensure that she receives all the care she needs and deserves. The group said on its Facebook page Do you want to see Connie, the container dog? I see the picture from across the table.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, all right, connie looks intelligent. Connie also doesn't look smart at the same time. But I give Connie credit. Connie, the container dog, I'll give Connie some credit because they were able to survive a week with no food, with no food and no water. That's amazing to me. I'm really curious, you know, but they were on it in a shipping and they were on a ship, right? Yeah, probably out at sea, possibly.
Speaker 1:
Or maybe hadn't left yet is kind of what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3:
Okay, and maybe it had rained, so maybe a little bit of water got in there. Maybe that could be. I'm just trying to make a case for Connie For the survival.
Speaker 1:
Well, I mean, she is alive and if those of you wanting to see Connie the container dog, does anyone want to see that.
Speaker 2:
What kind of stupid wiener name is that there?
Speaker 1:
you go there. Look at that. I was stuck in a container.
Speaker 3:
My name's not really Connie. I'm hungry.
Speaker 2:
What are you people On dope?
Speaker 1:
Anyway, it's a good story, connie, the container dog was found. I'm just, I mean I'm just trying not to think the worst case scenario, that this ship gets out to sea and she's dead, right, right, I mean, she lasted a week. I'm sure that's even pushing.
Speaker 3:
I'm not, you know, for a shipping container to sit on the docks for a week, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1:
Oh, okay, yeah, I mean that could be. But yeah, look, I mean just look at that face Like.
Speaker 2:
Here I am.
Speaker 1:
What so to the US Coast Guard and Connie the container dog, definitely winners of the week.
Speaker 2:
That's how winning is done.
Speaker 1:
Yes, it is.
Speaker 2:
So back to it.
Speaker 3:
I'm just. You know, there's a place in downtown Detroit called the Detroit shipping company. I know we used to, we used to podcast out there and it's 32 shipping containers all fused together for a great big space to hang out bar and what have you? I can only imagine if one of those shipping containers it wasn't. But you know where did Connie leave her mark? Well, autograph a wall or pee on a wall.
Speaker 1:
Well, maybe I am, but again, if she wasn't eating or drinking, maybe she didn't have to.
Speaker 3:
you know, I just I just that's where my brain went the shipping container to the Detroit shipping company. So here we are, you know.
Speaker 1:
I to be honest, man, I love going downtown for for the podcast. When we were down there, so did I. This is a nice, this is nicer studio.
Speaker 3:
Oh yeah, by far More definitely more room, but the shipping container, the Detroit shipping company.
Speaker 1:
The location was fantastic. It was fun.
Speaker 3:
There was always people watching, people walking by.
Speaker 1:
Well, man, the Bangkok 96 was downstairs which I missed that place.
Speaker 3:
I missed that place tremendously.
Speaker 1:
I mean, I go out to the right, I go out to the main one out in Dearborn, but Yep the candy beef and their fa so good. The, the, the um, the shrimp tempura no, no, no, the. Uh, god damn it. The sticky beef no, Um, keep going. What's what? What's a timing course? A pad type?
Speaker 3:
the pad type role. Oh, the pad type role.
Speaker 1:
Pad type roles were fantastic. So, anyway, okay, folks, we're talking about Speaking of hallucinogens Therapy With hallucinogens, specifically ketamine, that's the one we're focusing on. So that's kind of the one they use for, uh, for psychiatric interventions.
Speaker 3:
I think that was their secret ingredient.
Speaker 1:
So so we had talked, uh, last episode and again, if you've not listened to that one, jump back one. But we talked about what is ketamine, when, how long has it been around, things that they can use it for, and the in the delivery system. Okay, which is?
Speaker 3:
IV shots, nasal spray or losages, and the nasal spray is the only one that's been FDA approved. And the nasal spray is the only one that's FDA approved. And I said at last episode, your insurance might cover that Maybe.
Speaker 1:
And we're going to get into that. I'll give you more information on insurance in a few months. I want to make sure we cover that. So let's talk about what the research says, because people would be like, well, how is this effective? Does it work? Is it worth trying? I mean, especially if people have tried maybe they've tried antidepressants or maybe they don't want to take antidepressants.
Speaker 1:
Because I have a lot of clients that I see that are depressed and oftentimes I'll say I don't want to take medication, I don't want to take an antidepressant. There's nothing wrong with that, absolutely. I totally respect that choice and I understand. Yes, and I always tell clients this. I always say medication is a last resort. It's not a solution or a first resort. Perfect, I think you try everything before you go to medication. Now again, some people need medication. That's why it exists, that's why we have a psychiatrist on staff, but especially in the way we do it in the arts facility, our clinic, is that if you come in as a client and you're depressed or you're anxious, oftentimes we will make a referral to our psychiatrist. But we always say you have to have at least three or four sessions with a therapist before we refer you to the doctor for medication. That's fair, because we want to make sure that it's something that's necessary and it is sometimes. Sometimes it's not, but I always say it's best if you don't have to take medication, because then you don't have to deal with the long-term issues that could arise with the long-term antidepressant use. Right, and I understand people not wanting to do that if they don't have to.
Speaker 1:
Okay, so let's talk about the studies. As far as using ketamine for depression. Okay, so in a 2019 study, men with severe depression who received six ketamine injections over two weeks experienced a significant improvement in their depression. This effect set in just one hour after their first dose and lasted as long as one month after their last dose. Okay, so let's say, injections over two weeks. So you're talking about a month and a half of being Quote-unquote symptom free of depression. Okay, which is a good sign. Another study in 2020 Participants receive either six ketamine infusions or placebo infusions, followed by one ketamine infusion over a 12-day period. So it seems like one group got one group got six ketamine infusions, one group got five Placebos and just one infusion. Okay, that makes sense. Okay, those who received only ketamine doses experienced greater improvements in their depression as as opposed to the placebo group. However, the placebo. When the placebo group received their one dose of ketamine, they reported already feeling improvement.
Speaker 3:
When did they get that. You know that, that second group, the placebo group. When was the last? Was it the?
Speaker 1:
last? Yes, it was the last. The last dosage yes, number five were placebo's. The last dosage was ketamine. Got it, yeah. In a 2022 study, people with depression and thoughts of suicide received six IV ketamine infusions at three separate clinics over 21 days. Within six weeks of starting the treatment, 20% of the people with depression were considered in remission remission. In remission meaning their depression symptoms had greatly improved, and 50% of the people who had thoughts of suicide no longer experience those thoughts.
Speaker 3:
So instead, of saying greatly improved, how about greatly diminished? That?
Speaker 1:
makes sense that symptoms were greatly diminished. Okay, that that would make sense, all right, sure. So there is, there is, there's, there's, there's a lot of self Self-hatred and therapy. Let's say that, oh, people have low image, self images, I like nobody cares about me, or I'll never succeed, or I'm not good enough, or there's something wrong with me. All those things go into it. Okay. So, regarding those types of conditions and a small study in 2022, again, people with treatment resistant depression who received three IV ketamine infusions in one week Found it easier to replace negative beliefs with more optimistic ones. Updating these beliefs helped improve depression symptoms, according to the studies authors. Huh, now, while these results show promise and that's just been recently, like I said, 2022, 2022 there was one in 2019. Again, they're saying more studies need to be done to find out long-term An ideal dosages that would help people, depending on where they're at 10 milligrams.
Speaker 1:
Yeah and I have no idea what. What the dosages? Dosages are as far as you know the injections so People? In a lot of times we talked about antidepressants. A lot of people don't want to take them because of side effects. Now ketamine can also have some side effects. The 2021 study listed the most common side effects. What are they nausea Okay, dizziness, headaches, disassociation. Disassociation means feeling disconnected from your body and your thoughts because you're taking a whole hallucinogen.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so that makes sense.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, vertigo, drowsiness, altered sense of tape oh, excuse me all altered sense of taste and and um. This last one sounds serious and it is psychosis psychosis, meaning which? May include, which may include hallucinations and delusions.
Speaker 3:
Okay, those roads, those rose colored glasses, yes, now that that you.
Speaker 1:
That's not surprising to me, because we are talking about hallucinogens here, so it is gonna change your perception while you're while you're on your trip. Yes, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3:
I go back to this television show. I wish they would reboot it in some way, shape or form. But fringe, yeah, you ever want fringe.
Speaker 1:
You know what here? That's one of the shows, man, I started and I got a season in and I just lost gotta stick but I know I know I do because I know it's been. It's a huge show, it's great.
Speaker 3:
Dr Bishop man yeah, that man is a self-medicated hero.
Speaker 1:
So in rare cases, let's talk about the very rare side effects. But I want to bring those up just so people know. Panic attacks, yes, mania. A taxia, which is poor muscle coordination.
Speaker 3:
Go back to go back to mania. Mania meaning your brain just will not settle down.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, mania, meaning, meaning, yeah. Sure, you're just in this heightened sense of, of, of engagement all the time right, yes, you just won't shut down right, I'm gonna try to pronounce acuthesia, which is difficulty sitting still. Oh, I have a thought of self-harm or Autoscopy, which is out of body experiences. So, again, again, a lot of things are you can, you can probably expect some of these things sure when you're doing a hallucinogen.
Speaker 1:
Another study done by the, the organization evidence Suggest that ketamine could worsen depression in some people. Okay, cuz, not, it's not perfect for everybody, which which I would say that about any medication it's it's. It's not perfect for everybody. So that that leads to my next question, that the next question in this article is ketamine right for everyone, it's okay. So one of one of the major side effects, or one of the effects of ketamine is that can raise blood pressure.
Speaker 1:
Okay, if you're hypertensive, it's probably not recommended for you to try. Also, if you have a, if you or your family has a history of any psychotic behavior, it's probably best that you don't go to ketamine for treatment. Okay, also, you want to consult with your physician before doing any kind of try, any kind of trial with with ketamine or any medication, to make sure that physically, you you're safe to do that. Sure, cuz, one of the things they they want to make sure is that that people with heart disease, any type of of cranial pressure for any kind of brain issue, oh, wow, yeah. Or any history of heavy substance abuse, right. So those are the things that you want to just check with your doctor first.
Speaker 3:
I built up a great immunity in my early 20s.
Speaker 1:
So you say you, you think maybe this is something I want to look into and try, okay, okay, so Talk with your primary care physician. If they're unable to direct you, talk to a mental health professional as a referral right, yes, this, who can direct you?
Speaker 3:
So there are a couple of.
Speaker 1:
There are a couple of places in Detroit, and I will put the links of those in the show notes. There's one in Birmingham, there's another one in, I believe, novi, and they are freestanding clinics that specialize. They just do ketamine therapy. Huh, and the way it works Now.
Speaker 1:
Now here's, here's the thing, and I want you to be careful about this this is one of the big warnings that I've, that I've here is that you can't just go to anyone. Make sure that the place you're going has Mental health staff there during the treatments. Okay, that's the important thing, because a lot of places will, or have, according to my reading, they may give you Laws and just to take home, or or nasal spray to take home and use on your own. Really, I don't recommend that, because you don't have any super-sumption and you don't know what's going to happen, right, especially if you're alone. So so do, do some research and make sure it is a, it's somebody who's, who's not just giving you the drug and running away, right?
Speaker 1:
And when I say drug, I'm talking ketamine. Right, it's important that you're monitored during the, the at, during the, when you're getting the ketamine, and also afterwards to make sure and in what, in the way this is done Is in a therapy setting, is that you have a. You have a psychiatrist who's prescribing it and administering it, or a nurse administering it. Then you have mental health professionals there to monitor you and also to debrief after, because that's kind of the whole thing is, it's not just taking the ketamine, it's processing the therapy afterwards. Right, and how long is that process?
Speaker 3:
if you were to go in for a treatment, let's call it you go in and you have the proper staff there. How long are you there For? I wonder um what?
Speaker 1:
what I've read and this can vary, but if it's an IV thing, you're probably probably need to plan on being at the place for a few hours Because you're going to get the you're going to get the ketamine. You're going to, you're going to be in your, you're in your happy world and then you have to wait till it wears off before you can go home and they can evaluate and talk to you about bring a driver, yeah absolutely yes, you're not driving home, so so I'm going to give you some criteria for picking places.
Speaker 1:
One make sure it's been open for more than a couple of years. Okay, because because again, this, this is I don't want to say it's a fad, but in a way it is it's just becoming more popular because people are looking for alternatives to to Psycho-psychiatry, typical psychiatric medicine I wouldn't say.
Speaker 3:
I'd say more sought out, right Sought out right, because it is starting to show it's starting some.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it's, we're starting to get some history showing results, which is good thing. Make sure that the place you go to has board certified physicians with mental health experience on staff.
Speaker 3:
Not just a piece of paper with crayon writing on it.
Speaker 1:
Make sure that this clinic that you're going to also offers mental health support services, such as individual and group therapy, because that's part of this process Is not just taking the ketamine, but then processing afterwards.
Speaker 3:
If you walk into a place and there's a poster on the wall with a cat hanging from a string saying hang in there, turn your ass around and walk out.
Speaker 1:
I don't listen to you no more. You're right. You're right and I would say do a couple of consultations to find somebody that you're comfortable with and to make sure that it is absolutely you want to work with, absolutely fair. Okay, so, right now, as I mentioned, the nasal spray is the only FDA approved medication. Okay, so we're going to get to my question.
Speaker 1:
Insurance companies, most of the time, will not cover any other forms of ketamine therapy except for nasal spray. Okay, although, if there's somebody with severe depression who has done, who has a history of treatments like therapy and antidepressant medication, or maybe even hospitalizations, it is possible your insurance company could approve it based on your history of the other things not working. Okay, so, consult with your own insurance company, but in most cases this will not be covered. Okay, so, if you're doing the nasal spray, which is the only FDA approved one, hold onto your sit, hold onto your hats right now. Okay, a one month treatment may be as high as $6,800. All right, tighten up that budget. That's getting treatment twice a week. So two, four, say eight treatments are right around $7,000.
Speaker 3:
That's wild.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, now again, some insurance programs may offer some support, again, depending on documentation and kind of what you're looking at. As far as you know, again, history means everything because we know and I deal with insurance companies every day, which I hate, that is one Injurance companies do not want to pay for anything. No, that's just what. They're there because they have to be and they want it. They don't want to pay for anything unnecessarily. But if you can prove to them that hey, listen, I've been hospitalized, I've taken five different types of antidepressants, whatever you've done in your history and you're still not right, you're still not better, then at least you can justify to say I've tried all these other things. I need something, I need an alternative source of treatment.
Speaker 3:
I'm not rolling my eyes because you know seven grand a month. You know a lot of folks that are in that depressive state that need it.
Speaker 1:
Yes don't have it. Well, you know what, matt? This is something that this is. This is the my. It's my personal. I don't know soap box, but it is crazy right now how many of our clients. They come to see me. They need therapy, they want therapy and they're especially now. It's the beginning of the year. All these people are paying deductibles right now. Some people $10,000 deductible, yep.
Speaker 1:
And it's like it is no wonder that they keep talking about mental health access being an issue. The issue is that people don't have the money for it. That's the problem.
Speaker 3:
They should have gone with that PPO instead of that HM. Well, I mean even that.
Speaker 1:
Even with that, it's just such a hassle and billing and people getting charged and co-pays and deductibles. That's why it's still so much money it is, and for most people therapy is not easy To get. No, financially. No, for most people it's not and unfortunately that's something our, our government, has failed to produce on as far as health care.
Speaker 3:
But I'll put there are organizations and I know I've talked about it before there are organizations that help you with those free services. Right, you know you have. You have your.
Speaker 1:
Easter, easter seals more of a right right and a lot of the community care places Might have either some flexed down pricing or or free services. So that's something you want to look for. But as far as the ketamine goes, it is fairly expensive. Now I can say that If if you were to go in general and again, details will be different based on you, where you go and your physician and who prescribes it and how it's working but for the most part and most of the studies show that people have would receive ketamine treatment for a month and Be fine years after.
Speaker 3:
I believe that just based on the, the studies that have already been done. So I see bill group.
Speaker 1:
So I guess it's better to look at it and say, okay, do I want to pay seven thousand dollars and know that I'm gonna feel better for the next five years? But would you know right then in there? Well, you would well see. That's the risk, though it's like anything else there. There's possibility now and and nobody can say for sure However, studies have shown that this can be an effective treatment and, again, that's why I want people to do there. I'm not, I'm not recommending this and I'm not saying go do this, it's the best thing out there.
Speaker 1:
No, it's just information yeah, it's, it's definitely information you want to look into, especially again, if you're resistant to taking antidepressants or you want something that's a quicker acting, or you've just tried everything and you're still not where you want to be, this could be a good alternative. Let me tell you one single IV infusion Can cost about four hundred dollars.
Speaker 3:
Okay, that's so. It easier to swap.
Speaker 1:
So let's say that you say, okay, I want to pursue this or I want to look into this, and you talk to whatever facility you go to and Say, hey, I can only afford. You know, in a month I can only afford four hundred dollars. So they may give you, they may do an infusion now and do another one in 30 days the infusions.
Speaker 3:
You know, there there are a lot of infusions you can get out there right and they will cost a couple hundred bucks up to whatever. But those infusions right into your bloodstream, you know, if they get the concoction right it can work.
Speaker 1:
Yes, I've seen it first-hand, it can work and I do believe that this is a this is on it's kind of a novel approach, because a Lot of people will say, well, why would you take on? Why would you take a drug? Mm-hmm, you know.
Speaker 3:
But why would you take a hallucinogen?
Speaker 1:
right, right. Well, and I think and I'm just gonna answer for my own opinion is that it just, it just alters the way you think, even for that hour, that you're receiving treatment you're changing your brain chemistry and for somebody who's depressed. That's kind of what we want to do, right, we want to change that chemistry so that so that it's more, it's working more typically.
Speaker 3:
Mm-hmm. But you know there, there are ways to do that without having to take drugs. Yeah you know, absolutely so it's, it's, you know, you know, half a dozen of one, half a dozen of the other.
Speaker 1:
I I'm kind of excited about this only because, like I said, it's it's kind of in its infancy and it's probably gonna grow and we're gonna have more information as far as how to say, in order to gauge effectiveness and whether, long term, is this a good solution.
Speaker 3:
You know, and the cost of it you know. I go. I'll use the analogy of you know how much was your first big-screen TV? Oh, geez, right, thousands of dollars, right, and today, yeah 500 bucks right.
Speaker 1:
So as the technology gets better and the studies get better, the cost will come down right you know and and I believe that at some point, if the FDA approves use of these other, such as injections and IV, Then you get into some, some insurance Possibly covering some of that.
Speaker 1:
That's so. So there's a lot of potential going forward. Yeah, so I would say, if you've suffered with depression or or OCD, or PTSD or anger issues, think things that you've struggled with and things haven't worked, this might be a good option for you. So I would say, do your research. Check out my notes. As far as the show notes goes, and and I can put it, I will add to this A couple of the ones here in Michigan that you can talk to and have a consultation with.
Speaker 1:
I say that's the best way to do it have a consultation. If you don't feel like it's a fit for you, don't do it. If you feel like it might be something that that could help, I'd love to hear from you. Then that's the big thing. If somebody out there has done this, has received ketamine therapy or considering it, reach out to me, cuz I I really want to talk to some people who've experienced this, because I would love to have another thing to recommend to my clients as far as options go that you don't, you don't have to stay in that depressed, suicidal state there. There are things that we can do to get you out of that.
Speaker 3:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:
So, yeah, please reach out and let me know, cuz I would love to touch base to you, even have a discussion. That'd be fantastic, all right. All right, folks. That is ketamine therapy. Before we go, here we go. Somebody needs a home. Who's that?
Speaker 3:
Haven, haven, haven.
Speaker 1:
Haven, he's a great Dane. He was born in 2018. All right, he's about five years old or so. Yeah, he's a spade female. She's a spade female 115 pounds, that's a big dog. Yeah, it's a horse dog friendly, kid friendly, over eight speaking of ketamine. Then there's there's Haven. Look out, look at that face, I know.
Speaker 3:
Aw, it's a big dog. She's a big pup, yes, but you know she's 115.
Speaker 1:
She's five years old, so she's not going to eat. Well, she might get fatter Kids over, not bigger yeah.
Speaker 3:
Kids over eight. Okay yeah, kid friendly yes. And then the cat friendly persuasion is unknown.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you never know until you throw a cat at him. If the cat latches on his eyeball, then you know probably not cat friendly. Well, the cat's not friendly. That's the problem. Dogs are always friendly. It's the cats who are not.
Speaker 3:
We had the most significant thing happen this past weekend. Yeah, my kitty cat Honeypot. She's never been a dog lover, but the dog that is now her best friend we call him Garfield and Odie.
Speaker 1:
Okay, okay but.
Speaker 3:
I gave the dog, you know, I filled up his water dish and then he heard that the cat was already there and she got up on you know and was drinking out of the water. I fed the dog his dog food. He comes around right up next to her while she's drinking and he's eating his food. These two are two peas in a pot.
Speaker 2:
Garfield and.
Speaker 3:
Odie.
Speaker 1:
Nice.
Speaker 3:
I'm sure she wants to ship him off to Abu Dhabi. And what have you?
Speaker 1:
The shipping container.
Speaker 3:
The shipping container? Yeah right. But I'll tell you what you never know until the dog reacts to the cat. Sure, the cat is going to be like whatever. It's a dog, yeah, but it's up to the dog, yes. Yes, I firmly believe it's up to the dog, yeah Right.
Speaker 1:
When it comes to cats, right, absolutely Alrighty, folks, that is our show. We're all set. We'll see you. If you're on Facebook Live, join us next Monday evening at 8 o'clock, 8 o'clock, eastern Standard Time. On Mondays. We'll be here. So thanks for joining us, folks, we will be back. In the meantime, change your thinking, change your life. Laugh hard, run fast, be kind. We'll see you next time.
