Casting Knowledge: Journeys through Spey, Trout, and Steelhead Fishing with Austin Rose and David Flaherty

Ever wondered how to perfect your spey fishing technique or how to get the best from your fishing gear? Well, you'll be thrilled to hear we've got David Flaherty joining me and Austin Rose this episode, ready to cast their knowledge into your net. With hilarious fishing tales, insights into the trend of trailer hooks on Instagram, and an inspiring journey of using what he has to avoid spending on new materials, Andrew's stories are as relatable as they are instructional.

It's not just about spey fishing though, we're also diving into the world of trout and steelhead fishing. Andrew recount his experiences fishing for browns in Alberta, and we learn how trout fishing requires a different set of strategies than steelhead. We highlight the importance of varying methods when fishing with others on the same river – a surefire way to reel in success.

Finally, we're talking equipment upgrades, courtesy of David's positive experience with Echo spey rods. Hear about his transformational experience using a bamboo rod, which radically changed his casting style. And if you thought fishing was only about the gear, think again. We're discussing how healthier food choices and cooking can boost your fishing performance. Anfdrew's shift from hating cooking to embracing meal prep is a story to inspire all of us. Find out how he used this newfound love for food to enhance his fishing results, along with David's exciting travel tips and Austins plans for his upcoming multi-day trip with Marty Shepherd. Happy fishing!

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Transcript

David : 0:00

That's what's cool about that trout spade, you know. Because it is longer, those angles we can hit it's like those swings take a long time to come across.

Andrew: 0:09

I was looking at that. I thought you guys were maybe just practicing, but now I'm full on realizing that's where you're casting Like down river basically oh, and you tell me what blind people they were.

David : 0:19

like you're using what?

Austin : 0:21

Yeah, so it's funny because my head length is actually long enough to go across the river. If I was to cast straight across, I would not need to use any running line or even my leader. My head alone would cast across the river. But we're casting downstream at a 45 degree angle, like 40, 50 foot, cast on a trout spade, laying them out like a dry fly, like all delicate and like it doesn't even make a single river when it hit the water.

Austin : 0:57

And then, and then. It's like a freaking minute and a half wait for this swing and because it's just swinging so slow.

David : 1:05

We just like sitting BS because, like we got time to talk for something to happen.

intro/out : 1:12

Welcome to Dead Drifter Society, a fly fishing podcast to share information, our adventures and our opinions. We want to see where everyone is at in life and on the water. We'll ask questions and get answers so we can learn everything there is to learn about fly fishing. And now here's your host, Andrew Barony.

Andrew: 1:39

Welcome back Dead Drifters. On this episode we sit down with Austin Rose and David Flaherty to talk spay fishing. They've both been on the Swingers Party podcast that I started running a little bit here and there back almost a year ago and, yeah, so we got back together to chat about spay and different lines and rods and all that good stuff and some stories. So I really hope you enjoy and I'll see you down at the end and it'll obviously when I go out, not going to catch nothing, boys, you know what I mean.

Andrew: 2:19

You should have been here exactly a week ago, when the fish were hitting on the surface, but now that you've showed up a week late there's actually no one here.

David : 2:29

There's nothing to shut it down. Shut it down, get off the surface. Three of our homies disappeared last week.

Austin : 2:38

I was right next to.

Andrew: 2:39

Fred and all of a sudden he's acting crazy and then he goes to the surface and he hasn't been the same since.

David : 2:46

I don't know what's wrong with him. Fred's on the missing persons. Bob hasn't taken his medication.

Andrew: 2:52

Yeah no it's it.

David : 2:54

Poor Bob.

Andrew: 2:58

Oh man, no, it's every time, like even when I was out guiding in Cranbrook. Every time I had a day off, I swear the fish were like no, not today, not for you. You can catch other people fish, but for yourself no.

David : 3:14

Yeah, I've been at days where I'm like I felt like I'm just cursed, Like I know there's fish being caught. It's like I'm doing everything right. It's like I don't know, it's just not, it's not my day.

Austin : 3:26

Dude, that's how I felt, being like zero six on steelhead, before I finally got that one. I was like, oh my God, everyone else is getting steelhead the hand and I'm losing my mind.

Andrew: 3:38

Well, that was last year for me. I literally had like what? Six, and then I had three hooks that broke on me and it was. I don't even know I have anything for these ones, I don't know. I like Jackson.

David : 3:58

What Wow Surprising.

Andrew: 4:02

Just like and it wasn't rocks. I know if I, we know when we, when we've messed up, we know when it was our fault that something has snapped or broken. You know like, literally like fighting a fish, and then just like what is happening?

David : 4:16

This is what we just say. It was probably the biggest fish.

Andrew: 4:20

Dude, one of them I was like oh my God. The first one I hooked into that season was like oh my God, look at that thing. And then. And then it just like popped off and then all on stuff like this, all on the like more classic-y type. I mean, you guys know me, I don't really follow much patterning, besides from seeing something, and then you know, weeks later I tie some weird shit in it. That's pretty much what I do. Yeah, I'm like that looks like he'll swim.

Austin : 4:51

There's a bunch. I love those classic shanks though. I love that you're taking classic patterns and putting it on shanks with a trailing hook. That is that's becoming a really big trend on Instagram right now. Like there are a lot of guys. You got guys like Jonathan Farmer and the gray waters flies, I think, is his Instagram handle. He's also doing a lot of those as well. Like it's becoming a really big thing.

Andrew: 5:20

I really like tying with trailer hooks. For one, mind you, some of these ones, I haven't made the trailer extension long enough, but normally I can like change out a hook, which is nice. Just you know, if it were to break or get dull or whatever in the moment, I can change it out. But yeah, I don't know, I really like tying tube flies and these and I like having just like I don't know yeah, something about it to me called out. And I'm also going on the. I'm being cheap these days, I'm trying to not spend money, so I'm literally just been working through everything I have. So once.

Andrew: 6:01

I run out of that material, I'm on to the next one. Once I'm out of that the tubes like let's cut it. What else do you got? Yeah, exactly, I'm just going to keep going. I got two, two aquatowlin hooks left for swinging hooks left. So after that, no more, no more tubes. Yeah, you know, I know it's on. I have two tubes left and one shank left besides from this one and I'm like, well, that'll last me a week, it'll be fine. Yeah, but yeah, the things are so expensive.

David : 6:33

You got the ugly fly box that are cutting material off and restarting over.

Andrew: 6:37

Oh, hell yeah, I've been way more thrifty these days than I have been. I've definitely done my fair share of that. Yeah, I mean I'll spend the money on things that I really need, but like when we think want and really need that's if there's a big gap there.

Austin : 6:54

Yeah, I haven't gone into a flash. Do you need JC? Do I need or do you want?

Andrew: 6:59

Yeah, I always want it, but yeah, and then I mean as far I think, like next time, if I made a material order, that that's the trick is to write down exactly what you need, go in there and be stubborn and just walk out with that, because I, every time I go in there I'm like, oh my God, I didn't even know this existed. What is this Right? Throw it in. I mean, I have four packs of that. I need three different colors and that color is so good, I need two of those ones. No way, that's how I show.

Andrew: 7:39

I can't catch a fish if I don't have this and that color. Like that's ridiculous. I've never, never, been able to catch a fish without this and I didn't even know it existed. So Little target.

David : 7:51

King fish or blue, whatever they do Exactly.

Andrew: 7:56

And then when you run out of like one certain material, you're like, okay, that's, it's fine. And then you're like, oh shit, no, it's not Okay, we're going to the shop, but Uh-huh Cause.

David : 8:06

Then you open your box like nah, no, like if I just had that one fly, I know I'd tie it on right now yeah.

Andrew: 8:16

I've been having major confidence. I mean I haven't since last season, but when I was swinging these things, no matter what it was, I had this weird, crazy amount of confidence and I've that was the most I've ever hooked into in a season. And I was doing stuff, David, that you were talking about, like when we were doing the swingers party, and you're like talking about some little tricks, tricks, tricks and tips and whatnot, and it's like you know the few steps up river and one step back and stuff, and then you know, or just dangling it longer and like doing more peri poking or whatever. Yeah, I was like okay, so yeah, if I mean I'm, maybe I would have even landed one or half of one if the hook just didn't break on me that three times. But the other three times it was like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, my God, oh, that's cool.

David : 9:11

That's yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty broth to get through all that. I know, cause I knew that as soon as I'm done, driving home or the next day, like it's just replays over and over my mind Like dude. I'm still thinking about it, exactly.

Andrew: 9:26

You're almost a full year later and I'm still like sad and I thought but it's nice to know that the progression of, like you know, every year I've gone a little bit better and I can visually see that I fished water that I normally wouldn't, which was cool, nice, cool.

Austin : 9:45

And then reading Did you hook up in the fish in that water?

Andrew: 9:48

I did In water I would have yeah, water I would have full on passed up. I would even pass up for, like, trout fishing. And now I'm like what's in there? Only one way to find out. But yeah, this year is going to be a lot more swinging. Definitely going to get a trout spay. I just need to be thrifty with her money. When I was in Alberta, I got a handful of browns on the swing A couple at night, which was really cool. So I was like casting in the dark with Calgary City right behind me oh, cool, nice and hooked into and landed like a 30 inch brown, which that was sick.

Austin : 10:37

by the way, that was awesome photo.

Andrew: 10:40

And then the one the one I got before that was like super thick, probably like 24, 26 inches, and that one was like skinny and like super like. I was just blown away though, just like oh, and it was so cool too. He was like the whole time I was swinging he was my buddy, he was from out here as well, so he did steelhead fishing. So he's like, yeah, I just do exactly how I swing for steelhead. So that's what we were doing, and I was swinging all nice and slow, just like giving the fish because it's at night, wanted to like allow the fish to see what was going on. I'm just using like big flies, moving, pushing lots of water, and in my head it was just like man, imagine if you just started ripping it back faster than any fish could even swim, just try it. And I just started ripping it back and all of a sudden it was just like boom, do, do, do, do nice.

Andrew: 11:34

And I was like like halfway through the swing I just started ripping it, Did one pause, ripped it again like four times and it just was like fully on and I was like, but that was sick, that was sick.

Austin : 11:48

Dude, you can't, you can't. I mean you can, but it's better than mix things up. On trout spray, I mean adding big bumps, like just jerking your rod off towards the bank, or doing these little pulsing moves with the line you know, just giving that fly a little bit more movement and motion, because it's all it's a predatory, whereas steelhead it's not really that they're eating it out of pure aggression. So it's. I find it to be more effective when you do that kind of stuff for trout.

David : 12:26

Yeah, I mean same nature, like all of our single hand streamers. I mean you strip, you know you you're doing jerk motions, you know just different motions. There's no like wrong answer to that, but yeah, it's just the rods different, right? Like we don't have to like completely abandon all those other techniques. So, yeah, I totally agree, like trout are definitely one. Like I'll like maybe you like even you know, if I got any kind of idea like there's a bump or something, yeah, I'll like do a cast like three different times and like mix it up like the presentation or like kind of motion, before I kind of step down just wondering like okay, I got there's some sort of sign of life, but didn't connect. Like maybe I'll mix it up and like see if something else works.

Andrew: 13:13

Yeah, I think, and it's easy for me to get stuck when I'm guiding someone. It's easy for me to be like, hey, try this, do this, do this, why don't you? Let's, let's change this formula on the leader, let's get some more weight. But when I'm fishing, I'm like, no, it'll work. This exactly, you know, I get real stubborn.

David : 13:30

Real stubborn guess ourselves.

Andrew: 13:32

And I love when I like it spawns my head and I'm like, hmm, yes, let's try something new finally, and then it works. It's like, of course, don't be so consistent, especially with trout, like you're saying. You know, like they obviously hunt a little bit differently and you're going for more like an instinct, predatory kind of aspect. But yeah, I don't know Spay fishing. I have a couple of buddies that are have been like you know what this year, less year on nymphing, more more swingy, swingy. But I think we're finally getting to that point where it's like, you know, and then for me it's like when I go out fishing with my friends, everyone's year on nymphing and I'm trying to swing, it doesn't work so well with, like, how we're fishing. But then it's also when I'm not, as I'm not catching anything. I see them like, oh, yeah, yeah, there's another, oh, there's good, oh, look at this one. I'm just like mm. Hmm, okay, okay.

David : 14:29

Yeah, I shared trips. Yeah, I just it never seems to work quite the same. Yeah, we've got different methods kind of going on. We just it's different programs, we're fishing different water and everything. I felt the same way as other. I said, okay, it really slows the program down because everyone needs to kind of like take their turn in their water. But yeah, we're not kind of doing double coverage or, like you said, someone's wailing on fish, someone's making lots of noise.

Andrew: 14:52

Yeah, and then I find like even stream, like if I'm on the raft and I have someone wanting to fish streamers, well we're well one person's zero. And in thing it's like, unless that streamer guy is so dialed or the like, they're both really dialed, then they can, they know what to kind of how to work it. Yeah, but it's tough. And then for me it's like I'm going to put you in this position because one of you is in the right position for this situation and then the other one, and you know so.

David : 15:22

Yeah, he tangles, he missed all that sweet water. Oh, it's like oh.

Andrew: 15:27

I was Andrew a quick question.

Austin : 15:29

Yeah, Are your rivers bigger there on the island? Are they pretty good size Um?

Andrew: 15:37

not no, I wouldn't say they're massive, like the rivers I was guiding on in Cranbrook were bigger. Okay, got it. Yeah, I mean, I think the cow gin. I really like I should know these things. I could, I can cast across it and I'm not great at casting In most places I can't cast across it everywhere, but maybe I shouldn't say I can cast across it but I can, like you know, cover a lot of water across it.

Andrew: 16:04

Yeah, like I mean yeah, I really don't know the exact width of it, but the, I think the cow gin river, and I'm probably wrong, but I think it's like from the lake down to the ocean. I think it's only like I'm going to go. What I think is more, let's say, 40 kilometers, okay, and that's like windy and I'm not, so it's not, it's not a very long system in terms of you know, I mean, it's the island, there's a lake and then the water, water, ocean, everything just rains down.

Andrew: 16:46

So the elevation definitely changes a decent amount, but once again, nothing crazy. Like, as far as I know, there's only one major falls. There's, like some other places that get a little rapidly, but like in the canyons and all that, but there's only one falls that I know about, which is Scuts Falls, and I'm pretty sure that's the only one. So nice, and the steelhead can make it up that new problem. Yeah, oh. I was beasts, I was just curious.

David : 17:17

I know. I'm like curious about smaller water because it's just a little more obvious. You know, like the runs where they typically hold yeah yeah, big water takes a lot longer to learn kind of figure where they actually do hold, yeah.

Andrew: 17:31

And like when I was on the Bo River that was the widest river I'd ever fished and I was the first day I was like I don't know what I'm doing. There's fish in here, are you sure? I've been fishing all day with nothing. And then I, and then I whipped out the Euro and I was like, oh, there is fish in here, but I have no idea where they're at.

Andrew: 17:52

And then I had a guide and then I fished it for three days with my friend and on the third day we actually that same guide offered to take us out again if we just covered his gas money, because he's like I got the day off, you guys want to go on the boat. And then my buddy, who I just taught to fly fish, started them on streamers. So because the guide was like he doesn't know any better, why start them? I start them on nim thing, just put them on streamers. He doesn't know better. And I was like okay. And then he just like that we probably landed like 30 trout that day, which, for you know, his third day of fly fishing, and all on struiner Unreal.

Austin : 18:41

Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

Andrew: 18:43

Yeah, it was cool. And he got like multiple, like his first brown was probably 25, 26 inches at first fish on the streamer. I was like I was showing him what to do and I was like, hey, man, like you know, try this. And I cast it out and I got a little bump and I was like, no, no, you take the rod cast back out there. And then he did it. And then it was just like boom, boom.

Andrew: 19:08

He's like, oh my God, it's hard. And he's starting to like I'm like breathe, breathe. And you know like he's trying to strip. And I'm like, dude, stop stripping from above your head. And like calm down. And then he's like, you know, because when you've never done it, your wrist isn't used to it or anything. So he's like kind of not having troubles. But I'm like no, put like put Lean into it, bend in it. And then, yeah, finally he lands.

Andrew: 19:34

And he's like I didn't think that was going to happen and I was like, dude, the fricking fact that you landed that brown as your first fish on the fly and people spend like years hunting browns to get to that size, and he just did it. There's no reason this should have happened to you but it did, but it did and he was like nice man and then like the rest of the day, like one I got a feed fish on the streamer but he got nothing. And he was like kind of makes you think about, like how lucky I was with that first fish. And I was like, yeah, now you're just slightly starting to understand what actually happened up there, literally 10 minutes on the river this is like the normal daily basis.

Andrew: 20:20

Yeah, we did like 20 minutes of casting with no fly on, like in the grass, and then got him on the raft. I put on like a decently big fly and then got him casting and then, you know, I was like all right, that's good enough. Now what you're doing should work. It's hitting in the water a distance away from us. Let's run with it. You know, yeah and yeah, sure enough. So, but it was cool too. It was like we swung a lot of the flies, which is fun. I mean, it was single hand, but it was still fun. Like it really made me think how much I miss swinging after just doing dry fly fishing and watching dry fly eats all the time, which is still sick. But I was like I just miss that, like having no idea when. And then all of a sudden, just like you know, yeah, no, I think it's a big one too.

David : 21:20

Like just like when we don't do something for a while, like we do appreciate it. Like, oh, like we're talking about that, like we went like Trout's Pave versus just Steelhead's. Like, oh, it's just fun to like throw smaller rods and like actually like connect with fish, you know, knowing like every day is going to happen.

Andrew: 21:38

Like hook into a fish crazy. I know. So what are we up here for? Man.

Austin : 21:45

Well, I was just thinking, Andrew, you know it might be viable. When you look into getting a Trout's Bay, how big do your summer Steelhead get? Do they get pretty big or are they pretty like smaller?

Andrew: 21:57

I'd say, like I haven't ever caught one. I've had opportunities and that would have been the opportunities the day I didn't go. It's because I didn't go that they were bitey, but I would say like five to maybe eight pounds. Okay, I think that's pretty good size. Yeah, from what I've seen from photos and like when I've seen them, you know, I've seen them jumping around and I've seen them in pools. I've found them for sure. They want nothing to do with me, not this guy. It's the facial hair or something. It's off putting.

Austin : 22:33

Well, you might think about maybe not going full, full blown like four weight, but something that's kind of middle of the road. A five weight might be a good option. That way you can still fish for summers and you can swing for Trout. So it might be a little overgun for some of the smaller Trout obviously, but like it'll be good for your bigger Browns.

Austin : 22:56

Definitely in them. Yeah, yeah. So it's a little bit of a summer run steelhead. It's a little undersized for some of those summers, but it's totally doable. I have a friend that catches steelhead on a four weight all the time, and so yeah.

Andrew: 23:13

Yeah, well, I think also like depends how you play the fish.

Andrew: 23:18

I mean, sometimes I see people like I didn't do much, but I did a little bit of salmon fishing when I was like super low water, so really it was just a casting day.

Andrew: 23:27

Yeah, I didn't manage to get a coho and a couple of Trump, but it was not that exciting because it was super low water, but anyways, yeah, it's nice to get out, but I was watching some other people fight fish and they'd be like in all, I like I wanted to say things and be like hey, like maybe get that fish in soon, cause they're like you know, and just letting it run and run. And I'm like, oh man, I don't know, sometimes people just like don't get fish in very quickly when they should, and I mean for salmon, I I put the boots to them and I bring them in. You know, I can bring in a spring almost as quick as any other fish just because I'm like you're either coming in now or we're breaking off Gotcha, nice, I'm gonna stress you out more, but steelhead's a little different, because then you're like pooping your pants. Yeah, oh, my God, this is happening right now and you're so scared.

Andrew: 24:25

You're just like holding on, you're like please stay on, stay on. You know, yeah, it's a whole different creature.

David : 24:33

Yeah, they're pretty hardy. I mean they can take the runs.

Andrew: 24:36

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, the trout space is definitely something I would think about quite a bit, yeah.

Austin : 24:48

Do you have a lot of structure on your banks or is it pretty open casting where you can do big D loops behind you and stuff?

Andrew: 24:58

Mmm, Middle of that Middle? Yeah, medium Not a really good answer, but there's some open areas and then there's lots of like. It's Vancouver Island's rainforest, like dense, dense rainforest.

Austin : 25:14

So yeah, so they'll want to go something smaller rod for sure.

Andrew: 25:20

Yeah, but mind you, once it's getting to like springtime, you're usually standing like at least knee deep. These are the fish that are pushing a little bit deeper. And then you're probably not wanting to be right on, and it's the water's already maybe not knee height, but like the water's already dropped a little bit, so there's a little bit more space. So Got it? Yeah, so the water's winter, like compact stuff, is definitely a lot easier. Okay, like I got the fist, which I'm finally. I really am appreciating the fist. It is, it's a nice line. And now I got the claymore. My chrome are broke and they sent me a claymore and I don't mind it. Got me the browns. Those were the first fish on it, so I was like I like it, nice. Yeah, I'm like wait, seven. Weight uh, 126.

Austin : 26:18

Yeah, yeah, I have the same one. That rod is a bomb dude. That thing, like, is just an absolute cannon.

Andrew: 26:27

Yeah, and it only took me like 30 casts before I kind of got back in the swing of things and started having like the rod pull forward, and I do. I don't do like super long bombs, I go for closer and more controlled. Plus my casting is not that great, so that's like play within my. You know my means, oh for its own there. Yeah, exactly, I'd rather have like it's suck out all the line every time, cause that's really satisfying. Then have like stuff left over and be like I can't do this guys.

David : 27:00

Really the way to play it. Yeah, people think they can cast. It doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Yeah, I mean you're missing opportunities. Yeah, you're obviously making yours count. So that's a smart way to play it.

Andrew: 27:11

Yeah. Well, then I feel like when I take out more line to try to cast further, I start to get sloppier because I'm like in my mind like I gotta add all this extra power you know, I'm like he man all the time and then shit doesn't work, even as good as it was when I was just, you know, like in the zone, kind of just leaving it where it was.

Andrew: 27:39

But, yeah, even water depth where I'm standing. I've really started to pay attention to that and you know, I'd rather keep my same position in the water than then get a little bit deeper or get a little bit shallower, because I've found like, okay, this is where I seem to just cast the best, yeah.

Austin : 28:01

So and it'll just, you know, as you do it more it'll become more natural and you'll figure out how to cast in those different depths. Yeah, you know, it's all tempo finding what's works for you. You know, like David and I have talked about in pretty deep discussion about how each person is a unique caster and does things differently. I mean, we can all copy certain things, but we all are not going to do it quite the same or, you know, interpret things the same. So just as you start swinging spay rods more, it'll start getting more comfortable for you, you know, start gaining more confidence in different water. You know, there, for a long time, anything up to my waist like I avoided at all costs. Now I'm like belly button, I'm like, yeah, I got this. Yeah.

Andrew: 29:02

Well, and I found like I was using the tributary on that same rod, so maybe the rod's like a little short for it, but that's what I was using when the water was low because obviously I didn't need, you know, a T20 sink tip on. So I was just sitting on the surface and I was getting some really nice like D-loops and it's super satisfying. But I was like, oh man, I have, like you know, probably all of the 20 hours on a long belly. Yeah, you know what I mean, the actual yeah, woo, like understanding of it and stuff. Like I get what needs to happen. But like creating a tight loop that just like keeps traveling is pretty. It's not easy, especially when I just bought the line and didn't really fish with anyone. That's like teaching me. It's just like all right. So I've seen that I do this and big over here and come on, man, go out there. But it is a super satisfying line to cast.

David : 30:14

Oh yeah, and that was one of the biggest things we actually talked about. And you know, austin was casting same thing, like the loops were getting open and stuff like that, and it was literally just a few little tiny steps like try this, add this to it, like and all of a sudden he's not really changing a whole lot like his casting speed or anything. It was just like where was place the timing and then all of a sudden it just kind of start coming together. You're right, if you don't have that coaching, if you don't know exactly what you're looking at, it's difficult.

David : 30:43

And that's one of the hardest things I see all the time is that people are watching videos, looking at the motions, and they're trying to copy that and they think, well, I was doing the same thing. But even if it looks the same, if you don't know what that line is supposed to be doing during those steps or where it's supposed to be or, like you said, just a true understanding of how to keep that tension or even those terminologies like, you might feel lost. If you understand what needs to take place each step, even if our cast are a little bit different, it will come together. But yeah, it's really tough when I was like I'm doing exactly what that other person's doing, and it's not just like you're saying. There's a guy fishing below you. I'm casting the same water. I swear I'm doing the same thing and I haven't touched the fish. There's something different going there.

Andrew: 31:36

Yeah, yeah, it's, I guess, the one nice thing, though. The last time I went out I was with my buddy and he was just getting into fly fishing, so he was using a single hand and he was just so impressed. He's like dude, you're incredible at casting. I was like you don't even know how shitty I am. You just think I'm good because I'm the first person you've ever seen do this big casting.

David : 32:03

There's a lot of cast days like serious high production, like videos and documentaries, and it's like it's not great but everyone's it doesn't know, like yeah, dude, that's freaking rad. That's like awesome casting, it's like it's not.

Austin : 32:21

I'll be the first one to say, though, like I thought I was going to pick up that tributary and I thought I was going to be able to cast it really good, even despite what all of my other friends said. So, david and my buddy Matt that lives up there in PC, they're like you know, this is more of a. This is kind of like a manly line. This is made for people that truly care about casting. This is not like your Joe Schmo that goes into the fly shop, buys a space, set up and throws a, a scat on it. Oh yeah, you know it's a. It's definitely a line that's made for people that care about how they cast. And gosh, was it humbling to cast that line with David for the first time.

David : 33:11

I was like, I got all this, I'm ready for the next step, and like, what did I just put on my rod?

Austin : 33:18

Yeah, yep, it was absolutely atrocious. I went from being able to cast like 80 foot Scandi shots to like I couldn't even roll over this tributary roll, cast it downstream. I was like, oh my God, this is so embarrassing, I suck, yeah. Then it was. You know, david was just showing me the few things I needed to work on, working small tweaks here and there, and then it's just starting to come together. And then he left it with me for about a week and a half, two weeks, and I got out with it and by the time I was done I was able to cast that's a 44 foot head, that's 44 feet plus your leader, and I was using that 16 foot leader and then I had probably like another 20 feet of running line. That was about what I could shoot out really well and comfortably with that line. When I gave it back to him, but man, I felt so confident and it was like tight little bullets. I was like, oh my God, it looks so thick.

Andrew: 34:23

That's good. That makes me feel better because I mean, maybe I don't know exactly how long my leader was and how much I was ripping off, but that sounds about right. For, like you know, the first time I ever tried it, I was doing summer runs and I was like what is this thing? You know? Same thing. I was like I'm having a hard time lifting it up, like getting it off the water, let alone casting it. And then I've had a few more experiences with it. I mean I can definitely de-loop that head fully every time. That's no issue. But once in a while I'll be like oh, I figured it out. I got to place it over here, I got to make my de-loop wait for this exact moment and go. And then it's like doesn't? And I'm like what the shit? And then I like stop caring and just like start doing some bigger shit and it goes and I'm like I'm lost. I don't know. I don't know.

Austin : 35:18

Was it my anchor.

Andrew: 35:20

did it have to, like be my arm position? But the more I've been watching some space fishing, I've come to realize that, like especially with the longer belly lines, that maybe I had it in my head a little bit more, that there is like you couldn't use your top hand at all, but now I'm realizing that it's like a moat, I don't know. So there's obviously some habits that I formed just off of, like visuals and what I've heard from people that maybe are now stuck in my head that aren't necessarily true. So now I need to figure out. If that's, I should probably video myself and then you can.

David : 36:00

I was just gonna say I cannot stress, like how important video is. So just as like a little synopsis of like what we did after we fished for a while, we end up shooting some video and that try to work on some things. And I sent, you know, every video I took of Austin. I sent 50 videos, I mean, and we were showing him on the river, you know, like what was going on, so he could physically see it, because a lot of times I think I'm doing this and then like he's like all right, maybe I didn't you know, or oh, now I see what I did and it kind of computes what you see, what you feel that's a huge one, I can tell you.

David : 36:42

With these longer lines, yeah, they're less forgiving. So the biggest things I always find are the lifts. Everyone usually lifts way too fast and that's a line you can. The whole line has to really come off the water before you put any power at all. That'll automatically overload the rod and it'll be unloaded by the time you get ready to cast forward, so you lose everything. So that's usually the biggest one.

David : 37:09

The other one is anchor placement. Yeah, like if you're trying to get up here in a hurry, like with your schedule, you know and just go. That's usually what you had that issue cut in the corner. It's really got to sweep across that's probably the next biggest one and keep in tension. So when it comes around, you lift up. So the other biggest issue, if you think about it and just as a logical sense longer line, right, so that line's still gonna be going back by the time it hits the water, that line starts collapsing. So when you're talking about waiting, you actually have to initiate your forward stroke while that line's still moving backwards or you wait it too long so you actually need to start the forward stroke sooner on this line.

Andrew: 37:58

See, I don't appear in Canada. There, austin, I don't have a David to just hang out with. Okay.

David : 38:06

This is bullshit. It's bullshit.

Andrew: 38:08

It's a little like double yeah it's like I'm up here and it's just cold and scary and we got true to, and then you're down there and you got David, so like it's not even, we're not even on, like fair playing fields okay, I'll get you in touch with my buddy, matt.

Austin : 38:24

bro, he casts all the bridge lines and he's up there in BC. You guys should hook up and he can show you a thing or two, because that guy can also send some absolute bombs.

Andrew: 38:38

Yeah, and I find it's funny too because, like I have some friends that are like really good at casting and stuff, but of course when we go fishing, we're going fishing, yeah, and then nobody wants to help someone casting when they're fishing.

Andrew: 38:50

That's what we did, it all at the end too, yeah, so like you gotta make time for it. And I have this terrible like I literally learned how to fly fish or cast everything on a river while fishing, which is not you know, not with. If you actually just like go to a river and practice, or even a lake or something, you know there's benefits to that, because then you're just taking out of the no hook, so you're not even like pretending like you might catch a fish, but I'm always like there could be a chance, you know. So yeah, but this year, yeah, it's going to be a lot more and I think I'm also going to try a lot more like stringer fishing during the winter and nice, nice, just trying to trying to. I guess, like now I'm, I'm at the point where I'm pretty comfortable, I'm not worried about not catching fish, I'm like okay, it's going to happen again one day.

David : 39:40

Ready for just something different, something fun like mix it up. How to challenge Next challenge and yeah, I will say once you figure out those lines, you'll realize how little power you actually need in that versus the most your own.

Andrew: 39:55

And I was noticing that too that there's like some times where I was like you know, I gave that nothing and it just like wanted to keep going. And then other times that's where, like when you start to travel, try to travel too much line and you're not ready for it, you're like I have to give this way more punch than I've ever given it, and then it just like collapse in front of you and you're like, well, that's weird, yeah, so counterintuitive to what you would think, like it's, you know, you know, one really showed you and you didn't even have YouTube there's. It'll be years and years and years of like studying what you're doing.

David : 40:33

No, it's weird, I mean even like myself. So, like you know, I got this bamboo rod I'm working on and I'm not going to lie If you think the tributary line was a challenge, this rod is a challenge for me, or it was. Yeah, I had that, and it wasn't until a friend of mine cause I was looking at like video that I shot myself and I just like couldn't quite see it. It kept messing with different, like you know, components, like mix them together, try to change my casting a little bit. Still wasn't quite good until a friend were on a trip. I took a photo of it.

David : 41:04

He had this high speed frame rate and he goes look at this stroke. So I'm going in this, um, as I'm coming back, before the forward stroke, that rod tips like three inches off the water and there's not a single graphite rod that does that. And so I was kind of curious like my loops kept like being super, you know, big and open. I was like there's no way. Like I know I'm not like opening my loop, but it's because the rod was so far low in the back stroke and then it's high in the forward stroke. The loops were crossing every time. So once I figured that I'm like okay, so if it's low in the back I need to have a low in the front, which seems counterintuitive, like what we've been doing on every other spay run. So I had to reach out and get it low before I hit all the power and all of a sudden it was like freaking laser beams coming out, super efficient, easy to cast. It was one of those things I was like tried everything that I know and I've cast it hundreds of rods and yet this is the one, because it's so different, I couldn't figure out until I saw that photo of what was going on.

David : 42:14

So, yeah, information, it's crazy. Like the little things we see, you know, give us feedback, just like, I said, you know any other. Like how we strip stuff, whether we just swing it across, what it's doing, like the biggest part of all of this doesn't matter what technique. I think it's really big on paying attention to the little details you know and then kind of put the rest of the pieces. But yeah, that was tricky. Then, once I figured that out, I went on this trip this last weekend on Saturday and it was just like on all day. It was like not a single issue, try two different lines, not a single issue, it didn't matter. So yeah, it's crazy. But something completely different Never touched a rod that flexes like that, I bet.

Andrew: 42:57

Yeah, I thought I finally just wiggled my first bamboo rod in a shop and I was like, oh, it's like way down, here I was like and it's heavy, it's heavy and I was like, holy, because I try to have a video of it too. It's terrible. But a glass, two handed and Whoa. But then the bamboo. I can only imagine Like yeah.

David : 43:27

It just flexes differently. Once you yeah it's weird. Like I don't even have a real. I think really heavy enough that I would think would match up on it and it's 11 foot nine rod. Do they even make a?

David : 43:39

real that matches that you know talking with actually one of the guys, teddy. Um, it is a lot of work with Tim and uh, he told me he goes. Yeah, I got one of them old school, like wine plates, it's like four and a quarter or four and something like that, you know. So, like most of my reels are, I want to say, between eight and, I think, 13, 14 ounces, something like that. I think that one's like 28 ounces. So crap, yeah, but I could easily almost double mine, Mine's, at 12. So, yeah, I think it's in the ballpark, yeah.

Austin : 44:13

Have you should find an old school bodged in. I know that's like that would be said later. Yeah, but yeah, those things are built to last.

Andrew: 44:25

Yeah, I never really like, especially when I first started, um, because I'd always just buy things randomly and no real, had no guidance. Um, but matching your reel to a rock. If you don't know about it, learn about it. It's such a big difference when you're like I got this, that, um, uh, the streamer rod that was sent to me but it was like an old blank, but it's a super sweet blank, so it's heavier and I had no reel that matched it and I finally just bought it. Like it's a six weight that fishes like a seven but handles like a nine weight but then is sensitive like a six weight. Wow, it's all over the place. Um, and then I got a nine 10 reel for it and finally it's balanced, Nice, yeah, and I'm just like what the hell? Yeah, so it's a six weight that casts like a seven but fights fish like an eight, that has the sensitivity of the six and needs a nine 10 reel.

Andrew: 45:28

What's going on here, folks, you know he was used to like let's just match the numbers and we're good right, yeah, Well, and then even lines like you know, the more I learned about lines, and luckily I have a buddy who works at a shop which you know either, someone like David he's my David. So, yeah, zach's a good guy, but he knows so much, and so does Matt, the owner, and so they've obviously taught me a lot. But whenever I'm looking into something, I'm like, okay, guys, like I got this, what should I do here? And then, yeah, they've set me up pretty good. They're the one that got me on the fest and I was like, ooh, yeah, that's a big one, especially at Skagit.

David : 46:08

I think it's super underrated. Everyone thinks like the flies are way deeper than they really are. It's like, yeah, it takes a lot of weight really against the current to get down.

Andrew: 46:20

Well, I know there's a lot of that stuff that we were talking about. I missed the Swingers party. It would be here. This is a good time to once in a while bring it back, but I guess this is kind of the Swingers party reunion. But you know, we talked about so much good information on that for swinging and I implemented a lot of it. And reading water and doing the speed, like trying to factor in how fast the water is moving to how fast I want my swing Huge. That was between that and just being more patient and really fishing more water. That wasn't just like oh, here's a steelhead around, you know, yeah, it's on me into so many more fish that it opened up my eyes to like you know a little, I know, you know people just like oh, people catch steelhead because they just know where they're at or you know they got this guide.

David : 47:21

It's like it's just that you know. It's like just because you got someone telling you, helping you, what to do, you know they're not always going to be the same way you swing them or cover them, or where you step in at, or how deep you need to be, and all that good stuff.

Andrew: 47:37

Yeah yeah, there's a lot of components to it that make it look easy, and I like that like one tip that you, austin, you made that one video or maybe a couple more, but the one video where you're talking about just like adding a heavier fly, that's underrated to. I mean, you know, obviously you know heavier flies, but I was always throwing on like way more weight. Like even if I was your own thing, I was always throwing a way bigger bead than I actually needed for the water I was fishing. I'd still get fish. But once now that I like try to put the least amount of weight that I need, that just that right amount of weight, the whole world is easier to cast.

Andrew: 48:25

You feel more I don't know, it's all you know, it's it's coming along, so it's. It's really cool when you can like chat with friends and and learn something and then implement it and see like, oh, this is working. So like there is more to you know, because obviously, like you're saying, when I first started swinging for flies or any type of fly fishing in general, you know I'd be like, well, this is what you do and we'll catch fish, but it's like you know you just need to do that. But now there's these other layers. Like we were just talking for like almost an hour and we were just talking casting. We haven't even talked about hitting the water and swinging it out and like so there's this whole, that's one layer. Then we got this other layer. Now we're talking deaths. Then we're talking you know, fly selection. Like yeah, there's just so many little components that if you can even get you know a good tenth of it down.

David : 49:22

That's what's cool about that trout spade, you know. Because it is longer, those angles we can hit it's like those swings take a long time to come across.

Andrew: 49:32

I thought you guys were maybe just practicing, but now I'm full on realizing that's where you're casting Like down.

David : 49:39

You tell me what buying people. They were like you using what.

Austin : 49:43

Yeah, so it's funny because my head length is actually long enough to go across the river. If I was to cast straight across, I would not need to use any running line or even my leader. My head alone would cast across the river. The we're casting downstream at a 45 degree angle, like 40, 50 foot, cast on a trout spade, laying them out like a dry fly, like all delicate and like.

David : 50:14

It doesn't even make a single risk when it hits the water.

Austin : 50:19

Love. And then it's like a freaking minute and a half wait for this swing end because it's just swinging so slow.

David : 50:27

We were just sitting BS because, like we got time to talk or something to happen.

Austin : 50:33

Yeah, I mean, it was very unique and you know, I had a buddy that drove past us when we were doing that. He's like dude, what the hell are you guys doing out there with those long lines on that tiny river? I? Was like bro you have no idea. We crushed it. It was stupid.

Andrew: 50:51

That is so funny. Yeah, it's a perspective and a little bit of understanding it goes. You think it goes a long way? It goes a long way. Yeah, I love that. You know the swinging has like there is so many different levels of it where you can like you know all these different lines and all these different. You know it's just cool. I mean you can spend literally a lifetime and still.

David : 51:18

And it seems like it should be simple. There's a rod, there's a head, there's a little section leader and there's a fly. So how difficult can that be? I'll cast it out, man.

Austin : 51:30

Yeah, I didn't think that. Getting in this bay like I thought scadget was it, I thought scadget was the thing. I was like, all right, dude, this is sick Toss and pig flies, small lines, heavy sink tips, I was like, sweet, this is cool. Yeah, I'm like 60, 70 foot cast, that's awesome. And then I get into scandy. I'm like, oh my God, long lines are the shit. Yeah, they're way harder to cast, but guess what? They actually aren't.

Austin : 52:03

Once you figure it out, I mean it's so simplistic and kind of crazy how it all works. But it's also just matching lines to rods, because certain rods like certain lines better. It's almost like shooting a firearm and finding a bullet that matches that firearm really well. You know, if you've ever done any kind of competition shooting, you know that your firearm will have a certain round, that it just likes a lot better than any others, that it groups better with. That's the same with fly rods and fly lines. I mean it's absolutely insane. And David and I, the first time I had interactions with the tributary, he threw it on my rod and was casting it and he's like, dude, I actually like this better on your rod than I did do my Bula, and my Bula is a 12, 8, 7 weight. His is the 13, 2, right. Yeah, yeah.

David : 53:06

It's 7 weight, so it's not shorter, it's different. On the lift a little bit faster response time, I think on his rod, mine, yeah you can feel it generate a little bit slower, a little deeper. So with that line it was definitely easier. I would say a little more forgiving, yeah, and it took off yeah.

Austin : 53:27

Yeah, dude, he was sending like a 110 foot cast. I was like get out of here. I was like what the heck? He's casting two thirds across the river and like a really wide section of the lower disjude. So I'm like, oh my God, he makes it look so easy.

David : 53:44

It's kind of funny and sometimes you know you feel bad. I just like I don't have people, like I don't know, I think there's just something wrong with this. I was like, well, do you want to like try and I'll give you some feedback. And then yeah, usually just a couple of casts and it's like all right, you can just give it back and quit showing, not like I'm trying, but I'm just casting your rod.

Andrew: 54:06

Yeah, it's like getting back. Yeah, you know, obviously, when I'm teaching people to cast, or even just like showing them like, hey, just so you know, like this is what you're doing and I'll try to mimic what they're doing and then I cast like eight times better than they do, you know, because they've never casted a fly rod before. And they're like, well, how'd you do that? And I was like, well, it was still shit. And they're like it went so far. And I'm like, well, that's just like a little bit more knowledge and like time, like touching lines and realizing.

Andrew: 54:41

You know, I always, you know, when I took casting lessons, just for single hand, the first time, I passed my rod to the guy and he just like was like okay, so just get your line out straight. And I was like that was insane, dude. Like he didn't even like go to cast, but he just like wanted the line straight. So he was like all right, so there, so you're starting from this position. And I was like how the fuck did you do that? That was literally five minutes into the casting lesson for the first time and I was just blown away. I was like you can, you can, how do you do that? And he's like, do what? And I was like, do that, do what you just did again. And he was like this. And I was like whoa dude, like that's crazy, I want to be able to do that. He was like, well, he will be, that's why you're here, okay. Okay, calm down, andrew, like you know. So, yeah it, you know, when I um like I I met Tim, which I think you guys have all met, tim as well. Yeah, he was at a spade slave here on the island and just you know, wow, when you passed incredible. But he gave a few tips and just like you know, turning your reel on the side and how he was lifting and stuff, and I was just like watching him and you know, obviously I was unable to absorb everything he was talking about because there's just so much my brain was firing so fast, like this is crazy, that he just laid out like 160 feet with ease or whatever he was doing, you know.

Andrew: 56:22

And then now, whenever I'm casting, I'm like okay, and it's starting to like collapse or whatever. All right, deep breath, okay, downstream, pop my reel over to the side, you know. Or do my snap T and then like, pop the reel and then bring it out. My hands are now in position and forward. Oh there, it is. Okay, all right, I can still cast. I've got to slow down and like realize what I'm doing and just take that Like you're saying those little little tweets to what you're doing and allowing the rod to actually do what it means and it all of a sudden it like kind of comes together a lot cleaner.

Andrew: 57:08

So yeah, spay casting is one of those things that it's something like when you don't know what to look for or what the like issues could be and how to correct them. It's so complicated. But you know, talking to you guys are seeing Tim or whatever you know are getting lessons and just learning like, okay, I hear this noise, I ripped it too fast, or I didn't. It collapsed back here, or did this over here, or I didn't even properly anchor, or where did I place my anchor? That was way too far out or not good, way too close, like it almost hit my face. You had that good video. We know about that Matrix Streamer fishing.

Andrew: 57:53

I'm always like that, especially when I was going for the bull trout is like go to cast and I was just naturally like dodge my head last second, you hear it just like right past your head and you're like, yeah, that was a feather right here. That was an eight inch. You know, fly with a massive weight on it, just zoom past my ear, it's fine, it's fine. I'll do it 10 more times today, yeah.

Austin : 58:24

Have you guys ever seen a warpath tomahawk? No, is that a bull trout fly we sell? They sell it down at Fennemfire and oh my God, dude, I smacked myself in the back of the head with that. I literally had to call it a day because it like I felt like I had a concussion. I mean, it's such a big, even though it's only like three inches long, it is so heavy that it went it like hit me straight in the back of the head.

Austin : 58:55

I was like, oh my God like dropped my rod and I was like oh, oh man, what, yeah, that was like the field check.

David : 59:06

Is there anything else? Is it? Am I bleeding?

Andrew: 59:11

I actually got a. It was nighttime and I got a hook in my face when I was out in Alberta and the guide was like you, okay? And I was like yeah, it didn't hurt, it hurt a lot when it happened and I was he's like is the hook in you? And I was like I'm not sure I had no idea if was it like fully in my, my, my cheek, or was it just like, and it was just just a little bit of the hook, but enough to like hold it there and like pin it down. And I was like holy man, like the luck there. But I've seen one guy who was spay casting and he got like the hook in his hand and just deep and posted that on TikTok and didn't really well. Actually it went viral for it for a couple of days because yeah, that shit happens, yeah it does People love seeing other people in pain?

Austin : 1:00:05

Yeah, it's a funny thing.

Andrew: 1:00:08

But, yeah, I've, I had a client hit me in the head with, like you know, those um sculpin heads that like flat, like a quarter ounce weight. Luckily I had like two hoodies on and up and my rain jacket up, but it was like he went to cast and it was just like the loudest noise in my ear and I was like oh shit, and I didn't have my sunglasses on and I was like eye protection time and I was like, yeah, when you're casting, make sure you don't hit me, Please. Yeah, and I was like you know what, let's change that, fly out, let's, let's put this on, it's a little lighter. And he's like, oh, okay, and I was like, yeah, I think it'll fish better. Really, I was like no, I don't want to experience that again.

Andrew: 1:00:55

That was one step too too close to me, losing the eyeball or something. Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, those little like anchor placements a big one and it's sometimes hard for me to really understand, um, you know how far I want that anchor from me, especially with, like what's behind me, especially with, like the tributary, because that D loop, if it's there's some way back there.

Andrew: 1:01:22

Yeah, I try to watch, but then at the same time I'm trying to like keep my eyes in the zone, so I'm hitting where I want to go.

David : 1:01:31

Yeah, yeah, I've got the trees with it before grass. Oh yeah, and now you can get back there if you want.

Andrew: 1:01:39

The boy does it. Oh yeah, it feels good when that line just flies out and does what you wanted.

David : 1:01:44

Yeah, it's an incredible line the amount of speed. It's one of the fastest line speed heads that I've ever casted and it's just like yeah, it's gone.

Andrew: 1:01:57

It's just going, lands on the water so delicately. Yeah, yeah, I've gone. One fish off the surface is a coho with a skater and it was just that whole that, that one cat. You know, when you actually do a great cast and it lands a fish, and it was like an epic. Everything came together. Dude, I was literally I think that was the that day I was like, okay, I'm going home now. Can't get better than that, that's it. That's it, that's all folks.

David : 1:02:31

I'll stop right here.

Andrew: 1:02:32

Yeah, exactly, that's hilarious. I've known it from my past where it's like, you know, you, I'm just wanting one more fish. And you get that one more fish and you're like, well, one more, that was so sweet. And then you don't catch one for like two hours or something crazy. I'm like, nope, now I just call it early. I'm like, yeah, that's good enough for me, that scenario. If I can recreate that in another, another day, that'll probably be better. I'm tired, hungry. I haven't gone to piss for six hours because I've been casting this whole time trying to catch the damn fish.

Andrew: 1:03:09

It's so true, yeah, I always forget that. I'm like, oh, that's yes, I need a pee. Oh, I'm frozen, my feet are literally rock solid right now. It hurts to walk. Interesting, yes, yeah, oh, your whole mind and body just like forgets what you're doing. You're like I'm casting, casting, casting. Yeah, that's good. Have you, david, have you tried that? Or Austin, have you tried that meal? Oh, I'm liking on the name the new, the Torrent, the Torrent. Is that the new line from Bridge?

Austin : 1:03:44

I am not yet I am getting one.

Andrew: 1:03:47

Look at that smile on your face.

David : 1:03:49

I know right.

Andrew: 1:03:52

Yeah, it looks, it looks fun, it looks nice, it's going to be interesting.

Austin : 1:03:58

So I was looking at a picture of the taper style on it and it's still. It's very scadget as close as a bridge has come to being scadget like that I've seen so far. But it's still. And the reason why he emphasizes that it's like a scadget with finesse is it does taper down a little bit at the end instead of staying all mass. It has a little bit of finessness at the very end that you connect your leader to. So it'll be interesting. I still think it's probably going to be a great line. It's probably going to be the most castable line for beginners and lower intermediate casters. I would say I had a bridge series, since it's only depending on the line size, but for your seven weights it's only 23 feet. So I mean that's pretty standard for most gadgets. I mean what? Maybe one or two feet longer? It's not that different. Yeah, I just know him.

David : 1:05:09

I don't think it'll be like a big change from scadget as far as understanding the mechanics to cast it. He just has this really methodical way of how he tapers all his lines which gives it that delivery. So I just expect it to have a way better, cleaner, faster delivery than you'd find in, probably other scadgets that's my initial guess by looking at it which that could be something that's pretty awesome in the wind, even though it is kind of thinner at the front. I think it's something you can like low angle or you can really hammer and cut through the wind because it's so much faster.

Andrew: 1:05:50

Yeah it seems like there is quite a bit of hype around it too, yeah, especially when it's a small company that's not buying all that kind of like marketing.

David : 1:06:03

That's saying a lot, usually with his lines. It's kind of the first things I heard with tributary and I'm like, all right, something new. And I tried. I'm like, okay, I'll find it. This hype was pretty legit from honest opinions.

Austin : 1:06:19

The best way I described the bridge lines to David was like you have all of your main manufacturers like Rio SA and stuff. That's like your Jim being your super well known like Enelton whiskey. I'm like, yeah, so it's like your generic whiskey. And then you have bridge. It's like a very nice single barrel, select barrel pick that you get of like five and like 10 year bourbon and I'm like, oh, oh, it's so beautiful.

Austin : 1:06:57

Where have you been all my life? That's how I describe bridge lines. They are like the bougie bourbons of the Bay casting.

Andrew: 1:07:08

And really appreciate it for the rest of this podcast. You'd talk like that too.

Austin : 1:07:14

With your mustache.

Andrew: 1:07:18

It's just like it's, but you would translate it into an alcohol. The more I know about it, the more I know about it. This bridge line is one of those.

Austin : 1:07:36

You can ask David. The last time we were out we're casting these gorgeous lines and I forgot I had my flask in my bag and I had like a seven year old American whiskey that was like a maple syrup flavor. Oh my God dude.

David : 1:07:52

Fantastic, they're not going to take long to disappear.

Andrew: 1:07:56

No sign. You're like doing a cast, it goes well. And you're like oh hey, I have alcohol on me, david, yeah, liquor, drink, drink, come here.

David : 1:08:09

Like some of them, run Falls down in the water and gets up. No more about the beer. I don't come back later, yeah, yeah.

Austin : 1:08:16

Like a Homer Simpson run. Yeah, oh, my God, yeah, no, I truly think those bridge lines, though are they're something else. You know, same with that ballistic line that I've been letting David cast and stuff that I got from Sam, from ballistic fly lines and at the Spakelave, like that's a really special line too. You know, they're not a very big company either. They're not very well known in the grand schema, things like Rio and SA and stuff like that. So when we started casting this 28 foot trout space candy, I'm like, oh my God, this is a really long scandy for trout space. Like that's kind of absurd.

Austin : 1:09:03

Well, now I understand it's very unique and it's probably the most delicate presenting fly line I've ever casted. It's insane, yeah, but it still turns over with. It has high. It has high line speed, which you wouldn't think for something only being 270 grain. But I mean it's a bullet. If you saw some of those videos I posted a David casting it, and some of the videos he posted, I mean it's absolutely insane how tight a loop you can get with that little line.

David : 1:09:40

So, if you think about that, put your, watch those videos, the distance, the speed, all that, so that tail and fly is only tied on with forex. I mean that's how delicate. I mean it's still not breaking those knots or anything. Wow, and yeah, we're doing. I think most of those casts on that video were 80, 100-ish pretty consistently. I mean I don't know many. You can hit it that many times over and over and yeah, there's a lot of them. I had to like zoom in and recheck. There's just no splash. They do land like 30 foot high. Stop, single hand dry fly rod. Yeah.

Andrew: 1:10:23

It's pretty crazy. I mean, man, the shout out to those line makers is wow, the things you're starting to see these days is pretty incredible, I mean yeah, 20 years ago you told people about this, like the old timers with their silk lines and stuff.

David : 1:10:42

Yeah, they would never bought it or think it's even an option.

Austin : 1:10:47

Yeah, the double tapers to what we have now. Crazy, crazy.

Andrew: 1:10:52

Crazy. I mean sometimes, like when I'm looking at different lines or hearing about them and I take a look at the tape or I'm like I don't even understand how you thought to change these things. Like you're so knowledgeable, you'd like maker good on you. And yeah, I mean every time. I like when I first started fly fishing with like the single hand the line I got, and the first time I upgraded to like a proper tapered line for what I was fishing, I was just blown away. I was like this, like old, cheap, traditional fly line, to this, like you know, to the real gold, and all of a sudden, like my casting is better and like just.

Andrew: 1:11:37

I'm just like holy shit. And then the first time you know like I was when I started to be casting is with the commando shooting head, which had nothing wrong about it. It's a good line. But then I get, you know, the, the, the fist, and I'm like, oh, this is even nicer. And then you know, two years from now, I'm going to get the next line. I'm going to be like, oh my God, long bellies.

Andrew: 1:12:00

And it's crazy that they can keep coming up with something and make it even better and better. Yes, when will this stop? I know, I know, yeah. And then even just the rods, like you know, I think it's a huge value to be able to, if you're just getting into it, to find someone that can let you play around with two different rods. And you know, because when you're at a shop and you just wiggle it and you know maybe that shop's not great and they're just trying to make money, so it's like you're not really getting the rod that suits you or your skill level, but then you actually get like the rod that fits, suits your skill level, the line that fits your skill level, a reel that is properly weighted to the rod, like you know, wow, just yeah there's no substitute together and it's tough Like to invest as a guess, yeah, just like.

David : 1:12:53

For example, like you know, I let Austin use that line. I gave him a different one to check out and try out, and then our friend Jeremy's sending him another line at GaleForce. So the GaleForce at Triviteria and the Bula Arrowhead I mean, if you had to buy those, it's over 350 bucks for those three lines.

Andrew: 1:13:11

That's American. In Canadian that's $800,000.

David : 1:13:15

Right, you know like dropping your kit off at the front door.

Andrew: 1:13:19

Yeah, I have my ice bath prepared. So yeah, if you're only one in the market for one of those, let me know, because I'm trying to make a quick sale here. But yeah, it's the thing. Like I, you know I really like talking poorly of companies, but Sage Rods, I have so many Sage Rods and it's like my least favorite rod to fish these days, all of them like I gave one away to my friend because he was just starting off and I was like it's not that great of a rod. You know little, does he know it's a Sage, but I'm like it's just not something. But then I should I cast my echoes and like have you casted the Echo Spear Rod?

David : 1:14:03

Yeah, and the full Trout Spear. Yeah, the Trout Spear. It's funny I was having another conversation because somebody one of my questions I had on that story was you know what's your Trout Spear set up? And someone has the Echo Trout Spear and so the previous versions were they had the Echo TRs, which they are a good rod, but I will say they were always heavy before the new ones. Incredibly light, super responsive. Again, it's one of those rods I think that's probably placed almost twice the retail value as a comparable. Yeah, they're incredibly light. I mean they're light like the Kromer light a little bit faster, a little bit stiffer, but the tips are still super sensitive. So underrated rod they are actually. They play really, really well.

Andrew: 1:14:52

That's and that's one that I'm going in. That's probably what I'm going to get from my Trout Spears is the Echo. Yeah, that Trout.

David : 1:15:00

Spear plays really well, yeah, and those the compacts, which are all 12 foot, are all really nice too. I mean, yeah, it kind of surprised me just how good they really were.

Andrew: 1:15:12

I have a lot of Echo rods and I honestly I tried the Echo Streamer not long ago and I was like I really like it. It's an affordable rod, but Echo has just made affordable rods that are good quality. From what I've seen, I mean all the way from that, yeah, anyone's like looking for that price point.

David : 1:15:36

I mean you're looking versus like Reddith, these other companies, yeah, echo will always stand out, I think, a little bit better. The slower modules, graphite, so they don't break as easy. There's a whole lot of bonuses to Echo for sure.

Andrew: 1:15:50

And then if you call up the company and say hey, I broke my rod, they answer and send you what you need, or quick which is fortunate where we are.

David : 1:16:01

They're just on the other side in the Washington, so like meets just over two hour drive.

Andrew: 1:16:06

Yeah, you guys don't have to keep rubbing it in. I get it.

David : 1:16:10

You're in the.

Andrew: 1:16:10

America, america Land of the free.

Austin : 1:16:13

Yeah.

David : 1:16:13

It's crazy. You know, it's crazy, like their main office building, which is also the manufacturer, you know, like storage site. You can go to the front desk, take your rod. They go back and grab another one for you. Right there Shout out Echo. But yeah, because Sage won't do that. I can tell you that.

Andrew: 1:16:35

I waited over a year for one of my rods to get, when you were talking, one person that's not insane like we are and gets to only fish, you know, maybe once a week if that yeah, and then they break a rod and they're not looking to buy another rod and you have to wait a year. Yeah, that's a problem, that's not good. And then you know that's like I've been even looking at like some other waiter company companies and stuff like that and just trying to get out of the like major big brands because it's like, yeah, it's sweet that you know you could be like I got this really expensive set of waiters but then if you get a hole and you have to send it in and it takes three months and you don't have multiple pairs of waiters, like that's a big, that's a big issue.

David : 1:17:29

But you know you're not forced to go spend a bunch of money.

Andrew: 1:17:32

A bunch more money, dude, 100%. And then you know, even some of those bigger companies they like question you on like how it broke or something. Where is that go? It's like, oh it broke, here you go, yeah. And you're like, oh, you're like awkward. You're like, oh, I had this whole spiel of like these things I was going to tell you to make you.

Andrew: 1:17:51

Because every company's forced me to beat that way. Yeah, and you're just going to send me this new piece, or you know? For, like my, you know doing the guiding thing and then having tips break once in a while for me to call up my shop and be like, hey, man broke a tip. All right, there's one here for you. Okay, thank you, I'll be in to pick it up later.

David : 1:18:13

Yeah, I mean when you talk about abuse high, use, huge, huge percentage of Alaskan guides, use all the Echo Gods.

Andrew: 1:18:21

Yeah, it's just Sense. Yeah, I, more and more now I'm like falling out of the buying for brand and buying for like quality, but also for like how is their customer service? You know, even like, all my reels that I have are for like my guests and stuff are, oh geez, what is it? Lampson, yeah, lampson's, great company, great company. You know same thing. Oh, it's broken. Okay, here you go.

David : 1:19:04

That's like how it. They respond all the time. Anytime I like message them on anything, it's like usually always same day and that's just leaving a message, not even calling them. Yeah, yeah.

Andrew: 1:19:18

That's absolutely amazing, because that's the thing you know you're out of.

Andrew: 1:19:23

You're out of your gear for a while and like, obviously not everyone makes the same amount of money, and some people, actually, you know save up for things they're not working, yeah, and then, like you know, we work hard for our money and we buy these like nice things and then it takes like a ridiculous amount of time if something happens Like that's. That's scary world we live in, but then you get these small companies that you know respond. I mean, that's just such a big advantage. So, yeah, I'm super big into Echo and I definitely think for the trout spay. That's that's where I'm going to start, just because I love their company and I like that it's still owned by the original owner. So, as far as I know and yeah, Tim Rageup still owns it yeah.

Austin : 1:20:09

So that makes a big difference, but he just had a house built out here here in central Oregon like literally just a few next town over. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Andrew: 1:20:21

Yeah, I'm rubbing in there. I'm already married, so I can't even like get myself an American citizenship without. Can I work for one of you? I know you need your guys' shoes clean. I'm a really good shoe cleaner. We got new family growing here.

Andrew: 1:20:39

Yeah exactly, I need a dish boy. You need a dish boy. Perfect. I'm actually really good at dishes, so I'll take you up on that. You don't even really have to pay me, I'll just be the help in the house. It'll be good. It'll be good. It'll be good. You'll show me what bourbon's like and you know Well, you work on go fishing, yeah, and then we'll go fishing. It'll be great, perfect, yeah. No, I would really like to get out there with you guys, oh dude absolutely.

Andrew: 1:21:14

When you guys were near in the bar there and you sent me that photo, I was like so bitch, I can't do that. I have to help on a ferry drive, show my passport. You know it's a whole ordeal, you know you guys just wake up and you're out there. But yeah, it'd be cool to like go for like a couple weeks, not just like you know, even if it wasn't fishing every day, but just go chill out there.

Austin : 1:21:41

Yeah, there's so much to see.

Andrew: 1:21:42

Yeah, that's it, yeah, and like you know the amount that I've heard of the Dishutes or some of the other rivers, it's just like man, I need to get out.

David : 1:21:53

I mean, if you have that much time, the great part is there are so many rivers and we're only talking like under two hours to like a handful of different rivers. Yeah, oh my God.

Andrew: 1:22:06

It's the.

Austin : 1:22:06

Mackenzie.

David : 1:22:08

Yeah.

Austin : 1:22:08

We gotta go.

David : 1:22:10

We gotta go. That's some good, it's some fun trout fish and they're there.

Andrew: 1:22:14

It would be super fun to get together with everyone that was on the that would be super cool. That would be yeah, I really want to go fish with you in Lake Jordan, treadway and yeah, just you know, experience America in its greatest, in its greatest form, with some bourbon and some good company and some damn rivers to fish.

Austin : 1:22:37

Yeah, oh yeah, bro, it'll happen bro. We just got to plan it out, you know yeah.

David : 1:22:43

And that kind of suits. Maybe almost everybody is maybe even hitting up the whole Olympic Peninsula up in Washington. I mean, for us it's like five and a half, six and a half hours, six hours.

Andrew: 1:22:55

When we still got a. I know it's Seattle so it's a little bit further, but we got a ferry that goes to Seattle from the island.

David : 1:23:03

Okay. So yeah, you can. Actually you can almost double ferry If you can go to Seattle and there's another one that goes over to shoot, what is it? Port Angeles, and then from there the drive to all the main rivers are like hour hour and a half.

Andrew: 1:23:18

Okay, but just so we're clear, once I get there, I'm basically working on food stamps. So if you guys got some like hot dog ends that you could save up and freeze, them. It feels better than that, like we'll bring some fun food my money that I take from here, my little monopoly money that I take from here, once I transform it into the American currency. It's not a lot. It's just disappear.

Andrew: 1:23:45

It's gone. So, yeah, I'll be leaning on you guys. So you know I'll be like, oh cool, that would be really nice to have three meals a day.

Austin : 1:23:54

I'll have my hands, Gotcha baby bird.

David : 1:23:56

Yeah, I'll bring you. No, that's one thing. On every trip I always plan food for everybody, regardless. There we go. That is so ridiculous.

Austin : 1:24:07

Every time that we go out and hang out, this guy's got like gourmet meals. I'm like, oh fun, this guy, literally. So the last time we camped like actually camped he has chicken kebabs, chicken breast kebabs, bacon wrapped, and then he's got some nice other sides. I'm like at Tamales, yeah. Tamales is what we had, I was like oh my God, bro, you're just a gangster. When it comes to the food scene, I've shown up with like pop tarts and the freaking lunch.

Andrew: 1:24:41

I'm like.

Austin : 1:24:41

Hey, I'm solid dude, I'm great right here.

Andrew: 1:24:44

I'm so proud of my jelly because I've finally been like making myself lunches lately for work and for, like you know, and not buying it out because I'm just trying to be better with my money and it's such. So when I see someone do stuff like that, david, I'm like who the fuck are you? Who are you and how do you prep these types of meals for just a day trip, like?

David : 1:25:08

yeah, crazy enough honest with us stuff. Yeah, if you plan it, it's not that much more I know.

Andrew: 1:25:14

I know, it's just knowing I've. It's funny too, because I always put it in, like, after I was down in the restaurants, I put it in my head that I hated cooking. And then, when I was out guiding and living on my own, basically I didn't have my wife making me food. In other words, I was like, oh, I actually don't mind cooking. I just kept telling myself I hated it. So then I hated it. You know, when you, when you take the, the things that you tell yourself, and you realize that you just been lying to yourself and you just, like, you know, take it, it's nice, you know. So I've been, I've been cooking a lot more and I've been like, oh yeah, this isn't bad, it's just like, and then your food tastes better. Yeah, it's funny.

David : 1:25:56

I get it quick because we just have like different sides, different things and I'll just put together kind of work together and yeah, it makes pretty fun and I'll hang around and throw down the fire here soon, now that it's getting colder again.

Andrew: 1:26:07

So I'll bring my bronze soup bowl and my wooden spoon, because that's all I can afford out here you like, tap tap, tap. Who do you please have? I have some more, more, more.

Austin : 1:26:19

Oh boy never asked for more, more. That's a pause. Yeah, oh my God that is so good.

Andrew: 1:26:29

It's funny too, because like four or five years ago, when I was always fishing, I'd do the whole day with like no water, no food. I would go to work, do construction, no food and I was always fine. And now I'm like I make two sandwiches, I got my snacks and I'm like eating constantly. I'm like you know 10 o'clock, I'm like is it lunchtime yet? I'm like I'm like hungry already. I'm like hungry and I'm like how did I even? And then like I'm going to the bathroom constantly. I'm like how did I even live before? How am I still walking? How?

David : 1:27:03

is my body.

Andrew: 1:27:05

It's crazy, but yeah, no, I can't downplay how nice it is. Especially like even noticing it in my casting and stuff, no matter what kind of casting I'm doing is like when you feel up and you know you go to the washroom, you take care of your body in normal human ways, right, way easier to think, way easier to like get in the zone. It's just you know.

David : 1:27:29

Yeah, and especially because, like when I do those trips, you know multiple days Friday nights or like Sunday night, and it's like, yeah, it's easy to you know go from sun up, sun down and burn yourself out pretty quick. And so, yeah, I just want to like enjoy at least those evenings and eat something. Yeah, I'm not dying in the morning.

Andrew: 1:27:49

Yeah, Especially the weather been out you guys is right now has it been pretty rainy.

David : 1:27:54

It's been like late fall or, yeah, like late summer, like it's been way warmer than it should be Okay, although this week it's shifting pretty quick. I mean it's coming down in temperature, but, yeah, not a ton of rain. We had rain on the. I was working on the coast today so we had some rain, but you feel it coming, but it almost feels like the weather is like a month behind what it should be.

Andrew: 1:28:17

Yeah, oh yeah, it's been late. A big part, like my home, rotter, is closed right now and it normally opens September 1st and it's open until November 15th, which put a major I believe November 18th for the for Mexico. So it put a big, big damper in my guiding season.

Andrew: 1:28:37

I lost a lot of days, which for the fish is good, but for me it really it was a big like blow to me. And then the kind of shitty thing is literally the day that I would have had my first trip. I looked at the water level and it had gone up like 0.5 of a meter, so which is now like perfect for, like it's fine for fishing and like the temperature's not been like crazy hot. So I was like so in theory, you know, minus all the science I might not know. I was like, yeah, I could have definitely been guiding or at least going out fishing, like I literally the river will open on a Wednesday and I leave Saturday, so I won't even get to go and float it or do any fishing on it, and I'm just like just want to fish the couch and so bad, so bad. But once I'm back I will and then I'll be in Mexico. What am I complaining about? I don't know.

Austin : 1:29:46

That would be pretty off. Come on, god yeah. Tacos for days Street tacos, oh my.

David : 1:29:51

God, that's a great time of the year to be down there too, yeah.

Andrew: 1:29:54

Yeah, we're going like it's our honeymoon slash we're having, so we'll be there for two weeks, oh nice. One week with her, two really good friends who are just got engaged, and then another week with like a handful of our other friends coming down and yeah, it's going to be a good time.

Austin : 1:30:14

Do I hear a deal? Don't feel sorry for me.

Andrew: 1:30:18

I won't be fishing. No, not me, I won't. I wouldn't think of bringing my fly rod and some big flies and some small, my carry on. Yeah, last time when I went to Mexico with my fly rod, they I literally had like 15 minutes to get to my next flight and they were like you can't take this rod. And I was like why? And he's like you're not allowed to travel with it. And I was like my mom works for WestJet, like yes, I'm allowed to travel with it. I obviously asked her you know, can I bring this on? I don't really want to put it in my suitcase or like underneath, so I didn't want it to get lost. And the guy was like swabbing it and you know. And he was like no, like can't take this. And then I was like why? And he's like it could be a weapon, blah, blah, blah. And I was like next to that big sign that shows everything you can't have.

Andrew: 1:31:14

And I was like where is it on this? And he like stares at it for a bit and then I hear, like an announcement for us, your flight.

David : 1:31:24

Oh, you personally have.

Andrew: 1:31:25

For us and it was just like that's us, I need my rod. And he was like, okay, and then let me go with it. Wow, what was this? Like? 10, 20 minute, yeah, I don't even remember how long it took. I was like I swear, that guy like fishes, you know, and was like I want this rod Something.

David : 1:31:55

I was like I'll just hold on to this one. We lost it in storage customs, yeah.

Andrew: 1:32:00

I mean, it was a running device, so it would have been a fine rod to a bit of a broomstick. But At the same time I yeah, I wasn't really willing to like leave it. But you know, if he would have waited one more minute I would have been like take, leave it done. Wow, yeah, that sucks. What do you do? So, yeah, next time I'm going to come with a note for my mama and yeah, she said, I can take it.

Andrew: 1:32:35

Do you know who this is? Do you know who this lady is? She's the greatest woman out there.

Austin : 1:32:45

Yeah, yeah no, I don't be a fun trip for you.

Andrew: 1:32:50

Yeah, I definitely think I will do a little bit of fishing, just scour the beach and look, for some reason, stuff, and not not worry about really buying like a guide or anything, but just kind of yeah, hey, babe, yeah, here's a beach, white sand, here's a chair, here's a drink. I'm going to be in that water over there.

David : 1:33:11

So and then we're here in the rain.

Andrew: 1:33:16

Yeah, it'll be. Yeah, you know, stay cast and you'll send me a video of a fish and I'll be like yeah, you'll send us pictures of bonefish. Yeah, yeah me or me, me hammered dancing. It'll be a video me dancing in the rain, or something nice hot rain.

Austin : 1:33:38

Yeah, that's even better.

Andrew: 1:33:42

Yeah no, I'm pretty excited because, like, we're going to the west side so I don't, as far as I know and I haven't really looked into it a ton, but west side is pretty good for fishing in general, but I think this time of the year it's not bad as well. And then we're also not going to like as the most touristy place, which last time we went to like Cancun. So I'm kind of cool, I'm ready to experience no Cancun and you know, maybe not being. It was crazy Never going to Mexico.

Andrew: 1:34:19

And then going to Mexico and just like the amount of people, this guy tried to sell me a lighter. I Was like, oh, do you have a lighter? And he's like I'll sell it to you and I was like, oh, I just want to light this one cigarette. Yes, I know Paragal choice, but they have crushes, they crush and they taste, yeah, berries and stuff, yeah.

Andrew: 1:34:43

So I was just trying to light a cigarette and he was like trying to sell me a lighter and then the amount he was asking for. I was like that's way too much for a lighter. And we were next to a little shop and so I walked over there, paid like half of what he was asking, what the guy was asking for, for a full lighter. You know, it's like the hustle out here is incredible. Like yeah, no, I don't want your lighter. And then he like gave me a hard time about it and was like mean, yeah. So yeah, it'll be really cool. They're just gonna experience a little bit and we're not going to a resort, we're getting like Airbnb's and oh fun, yeah. So I think it'll be a cool. Diy, diy street tacos all day long.

Austin : 1:35:29

Breakfast lunch and dinner. Nice bro, that would be me. I would leave Mexico like 300 pounds.

Andrew: 1:35:36

Yeah.

David : 1:35:39

Yeah you'll be seeing a whole new Andrew, so yeah, there's a little trick about Mexico for the little hidden gems, especially daytime, for something that's cheap and good. Look for the cops. Yes please know the hot spots and they don't have a ton of money. Every time we've done that we found like the most amazing tacos that way.

Andrew: 1:36:05

Okay, rerun me through this, just so it's really a bunch of cops eating lunch.

David : 1:36:10

That's the spot because they. That's the spot you want look for the cops.

Andrew: 1:36:14

It's the opposite of my Everyone's like for the cop. I mean, I'm just like weird shady.

David : 1:36:20

They're not like overcharging. Yeah, usually it's too deep.

Andrew: 1:36:24

And there's a cop right there, so they're going to act straight with you. Exactly. That's funny. No, that's super, that's super good. Tip look for the cops. Last time we found like two places that were just like so good. Once after we went on a guided trip, just like gear fishing, and we did some of that like hand jigging and stuff, which was kind of cool. But but, yeah, after we were all like got off the water super hungry and we're just like looking around and my buddy's like that place, let's go there, it's, it's quick. And then everyone was like I don't know, it doesn't look like that much, it was like a hole in the wall. And then we're we're like all got tacos and then we all got another round of tacos because we're like I'd rather be stuffed off this, then go back like it was better than the resort food. So there you go. Yeah, it was super good. So, yeah, that's the plan. Look for the cops, I got it.

David : 1:37:23

Now we got it now and then he's like in mexican jail. David told me, look for the cops.

Andrew: 1:37:30

So look for the cops, and then you'll be the answer. You'll tweet on that and you'll be like. But don't act a fool. You're supposed to be normal and just get.

David : 1:37:39

Me for the ransom.

Andrew: 1:37:43

That I told you. All right, all right, oh savage. Savage that's good. So you guys got any trips that you're doing now or kind of getting geared up for.

David : 1:38:01

Um, I got another one this weekend, so I'll be back on the issues with a friend from seattle.

Andrew: 1:38:07

So yeah, that'll be good. That'll be good Austin.

Austin : 1:38:11

Yeah, I was supposed to go to seattle this weekend to meet tim. He's doing a presentation up in seattle but unfortunately plans changed and some stuff come up so I'm not gonna be able to do that. But I'm hoping just to get out on the water after I get that stuff done and just get some casting. And even if I don't get into any fish, I want to play around with this arrow headline that, uh, david, let me borrow so we'll see. You know, it's a, it's a really long scandy.

David : 1:38:44

So I'm really interested in tributary numbers than that Nice yeah, it's like a little different. So and then we were talking and trying to put something together In the works here. Next month Nice I'm multi day trip pretty remote so we'll leave it off the books for now.

Austin : 1:39:04

Yeah yeah. You know, it's uh, I do have a trip coming up with me and marty shepherd though. Um, I'm gonna be uh just a swamper on the john day for them. So just uh, camp setup, dude and dish boy and all that stuff, but I mean it's me and marty shepherd, so it's like kind of a big deal for me. Anyways, it's a big opportunity for anybody.

David : 1:39:31

Yeah, they're pretty solid.

Austin : 1:39:32

Yeah, exactly. So you know he reached out to me.

Austin : 1:39:38

Yeah, yeah, on a very this. So the john day. I was born in john day. The town of john day um, it's not. The section of river is way Closer to the columbia than where I'm from, but I've grown up on that river and been around it. So it would be very special if, uh, on this trip, I got a steelhead from that river. That would be absolutely insane. But I don't have expectations. I just want to learn, I want to have a good time and just uh Soak it all in, you know. So that's a five day, november 4th through the 8th.

Andrew: 1:40:21

So Dude right on. That fires me up. I'm excited for you, man. That's cool. Thanks, man.

Austin : 1:40:28

Yeah, yeah, we'll see how it goes. I think you know yeah that's all we can do.

Andrew: 1:40:34

It's. It's crazy how not putting too much expectations on a day of fishing Can make it that much funner. Yeah, I used to put so much expectations on like going out and Drive home in silence, you know, just like damn it and and now I'm like no expectations and I was like that was sweet and like nothing really happened. So, yeah, so you don't have to put low expectations, but just like no really expectations Besides from getting out and then throwing yourself and you do. It's crazy, yeah, mindset. Well, boys, it's uh, it's getting a little late. Yep, I Agreed. I think I still have to go to work tomorrow. Do I have to go to work tomorrow?

David : 1:41:18

Sadly, I do too. Yes.

Andrew: 1:41:20

All right, all right, I guess I'll I'll show up, I'll show up. But yeah, I appreciate you guys hopping on with me and talking some space fishing Super fun.

Austin : 1:41:31

Oh, I always appreciate it. Thanks, david for joining us. Yeah, man, thanks guys for having me on.

Andrew: 1:41:38

Yeah, well, it's a pleasure. And um, yeah, good luck, uh, this weekend, and hope you get out and hope you See some things that you might have not seen if you stayed home watching Netflix.

David : 1:41:48

So that's right. I'll never see something different.

Andrew: 1:41:53

Yeah, exactly, all right guys, I'll chat soon.

Austin : 1:41:57

All right.

intro/out : 1:41:58

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Andrew: 1:42:13

Until next time and there you have it. That's austin and david Back at it with another kind of swingers party episode dog and spay fishing. So I'll have both their Instagrams in the description down below so you can follow through with that. And, as always, if there's anyone else you like to hear on the podcast, just shoot me a message over at dead drifter society On all the different social platforms and I'll see what I can do till next time. I'll catch you later.