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In the Weeds of Fly Fishing: Gear, Tying, and Adventures with Victor Rossiter
Welcome to another exciting episode where we immerse ourselves in the glorious world of fly fishing. Joining us is Victor Rosester, an avid fly fisher and an absolute hoot to have a yarn with. We wax are thread and chat about our preferred gear, our favorite fly colors and patterns, and how the weather can significantly affect a fish's interest. As we muse on our future fishing plans, Andrew's gears up for his honeymoon while Victor contemplate exploring new fishing systems. It's a conversation that dives into the heart of our passion for fly fishing and the adventures it brings us.
Picture this: The thrill of an early morning fishing trip, the anticipation of what the day might bring and the discipline of sticking to a sleep schedule for it. We discuss all this and more, including some hilariously sticky situations our dogs have found themselves in. From a friend's encounter with the law, to tales of camping and partying, we delve into how fly fishing has woven itself into the fabric of our everyday lives, bringing a sense of adventure and camaraderie.
In the final segment, we bring you a detailed discussion on fly tying. Victor and I highlight the use of jungle cock for adding detail to a fly and the benefits of using darker tones for steelhead. We also stress the importance of good customer service in the fly fishing world, exemplified by Echo. From the intricacies of fly tying to the thrill of casting, the exploration of different fishing systems, and the anecdotal stories shared, this episode has it all. Whether you're a seasoned angler or just dipping your toes into the waters of fly fishing, there's a wealth of information, advice, and entertainment to be found here. Enjoy the episode!
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Welcome to another exciting episode where we immerse ourselves in the glorious world of fly fishing. Joining us is Victor Rosester, an avid fly fisher and an absolute hoot to have a yarn with. We wax are thread and chat about our preferred gear, our favorite fly colors and patterns, and how the weather can significantly affect a fish's interest. As we muse on our future fishing plans, Andrew's gears up for his honeymoon while Victor contemplate exploring new fishing systems. It's a conversation that dives into the heart of our passion for fly fishing and the adventures it brings us.
Picture this: The thrill of an early morning fishing trip, the anticipation of what the day might bring and the discipline of sticking to a sleep schedule for it. We discuss all this and more, including some hilariously sticky situations our dogs have found themselves in. From a friend's encounter with the law, to tales of camping and partying, we delve into how fly fishing has woven itself into the fabric of our everyday lives, bringing a sense of adventure and camaraderie.
In the final segment, we bring you a detailed discussion on fly tying. Victor and I highlight the use of jungle cock for adding detail to a fly and the benefits of using darker tones for steelhead. We also stress the importance of good customer service in the fly fishing world, exemplified by Echo. From the intricacies of fly tying to the thrill of casting, the exploration of different fishing systems, and the anecdotal stories shared, this episode has it all. Whether you're a seasoned angler or just dipping your toes into the waters of fly fishing, there's a wealth of information, advice, and entertainment to be found here. Enjoy the episode!
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Speaker 2:Welcome to dead drifter society, a Fly fishing podcast to share information, our adventures and our opinions. We want to see where everyone is at in life and on the water. We'll ask questions and get answers so we can learn everything there is to learn about fly fishing. And now here's your host, andrew Barony.
Speaker 1:Welcome back dead drifter. On this episode we sit down with Victor Rosester, so I've had him on the podcast recently enough. We just talked about doing a fly tying night and that's exactly what we did. So we sat down and tied some steelhead flies. He tied a handful, I only tied one, but we talked a little bit about gear and all those Good things that help us catch fish. So I hope you enjoy this episode and yeah, I'm really having fun kind of Recording while I tie flies. So I hope you enjoy and I'll see you down at the end.
Speaker 1:I'm just working on whatever kind of comes to mind. I think that's just my favorite colors, man to fish Any fly that's black and blue. It could be like I mean anything. To be honest, I just love those two. That kind of fly. I think that's just my favorite colors, man to fish Any fly that's black and blue. It could be like I mean anything. To be honest, I just love those two. That color combo is just sweet. Yeah, I'm, like you know, really confident with that color too. Yeah, then that's the thing like when we're trying flies, it's we gotta have that little bit of confidence in there. Yeah, for me. Sorry you go, I was gonna say, even though you never know when a steelhead's gonna buy it, on what color, and uh, yeah, well, I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they care, but sometimes I ponder that too it's. I'm sure you've been in the scenario where you know you're fishing for salmon with friends, there's a bunch of fish in front of you and you know everyone's fishing a different color and everyone's fishing a different size, and and everyone's still catching fish. So, yeah, you know there's there's times I'm sure that something might be more. You know, like, if it's a really bright day, then maybe you know a smaller Fly that's maybe not extremely flashy or super flashy, depending on whatever you're going for, might work better. But you know, if that fly goes in front of a fish's mouth and they're curious, they're biting it, they're biting it, you're getting them, yeah, but yeah, so it's been a. It's been a little minute since I had you on and Definitely know that we were talking about coming back on and now here we are. So I thought it would be fun to tie a couple flies and chat about fishing. Yeah, how's, what do you guys like transitioning into?
Speaker 2:up there right now.
Speaker 1:Well, man, I'm. I haven't fished for too long I was, so I live on a farm and I'm a big fish. So I live on a farm and we run some programs, and Halloween's a very busy one. Now I could. I could have got out, but also my son, you know, I have a kid, so I Decided to stay home with him, and then my friends proceeded to go catch Summer run steelhead Nice yeah nice no it's awesome that they got into fish.
Speaker 1:I'm always fired up when my friends get into fish, but it's still that pill that you got to swallow. You know, I could have been out there catching Summer run steelhead, those scraggly. I haven't actually caught a summer run. The times that I've gone chase them they didn't want anything to do with me, and this year there is a short window. As you know, steelheading normally is for summer runs. Yeah, and I slept on it. You know what I mean. Yeah, the river that I usually fish for summer runs was closed all summer, so I didn't get a chance either. So I'm right in your same boat. Oh, dude, pity party. Yeah, yeah, but you know what? It's? Given me some time and some perspective. No, yeah, I, next year I'll hire babysitter. No, we'll figure out. Yeah, yeah, I mean, there are still other systems. I can go chase them. They're just maybe a little bit further or what not. But I'm also Heading to Mexico on the 18th and it is.
Speaker 1:You got what like a vacation coming up. Yeah, I got my, my honeymoon slash, where some friends are going to be there too. So we're going to Go hang out with friends and we're doing like an all-inclusive hotel, so not really a resort but it like a hotel and then we're doing An Airbnb. Are you guys are getting fancy? We're getting fancy, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Kind of terrible timing with my guiding season but Obviously, being a honeymoon and it already had, already was Was planned out before I found out my river was closed or going to be closed, yeah, so I'm kind of missing my guiding season, my, my egg season for trout out here, which is a Sad thing, oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, I mean Me fishing an egg pattern Still happens, for sure, but I steer a little bit more clear than the previous. I like the egg sucking leeches. Last year I did really good on like tossing egg sucking leeches, still on Euro at times, but I also switched to just like floating line with a long leader and and did good. So that was kind of the plan this year for my personal fishing off of my rafter or whatnot.
Speaker 1:Was was doing a little more streamer fishing for the, the cutties or the bows or the browns, whatever really nice but yeah, I mean, you can't deny that an egg tossed in a trout's face is Is an effective yeah, it's like guaranteed on us sometimes. You know, you remember my bubblies? I'm still oh yeah, there it is. What are you drinking, the bubblies? Bubbly I don't think I've ever had that like. Is that like a sparkly water? Yeah, honestly, I hated them for the longest time and Then I started.
Speaker 1:I got one of those soda streams and I started like kind of messing around with that and then when I was gone or a guy didn't want to be drinking beer, because I can get into. You know I've had addiction issues with alcohol and whatnot. So if I start buying beer and leaving it in the fridge, I drink it. Yeah, I do that too. Crazy, I know, I know, and not even like you know, not an issue in terms of like turning destructive or anything, but just like you know I can't.
Speaker 1:You know one leads to another. You know one leads to another. And if you buy, you know the first time you buy a six pack, you might have two or three. Next time you get, you know, three to four and then after that it's like well, you bought six and then eventually you're like the six isn't enough. So you know I have that kind of thing. So I don't. I didn't want to be drinking and the people I was staying with weren't really drinking, so I started drinking the bubblies and then I started started drinking like three to four a night of the bubblies. But now when I go to friends houses and you know, for a barbecue or something, I'm fine with a bubbly or like. I find it's just the like cracking of the can and having something in my hand, yeah, yeah yeah little crispiness, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:But I mean, when I drink, I drink. So you see, that's my problem too If I drink, I'm gonna drink, I'm gonna drink. Yeah, we're going, we're doing, we're there for a reason, so we'll do it properly, I guess, right? Yeah, my girlfriend's big head at me? Yeah, I bet she is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I like, when I went paving, I was like I did full season of paving and everyone, of course, did either drugs or drink and I participated in things. And then I started hanging out with just the, the form in a lot at night, because he was, he was just drinking and smoking pot and I could get down with that. And so I started hanging out with him, but he would drink, you know, five to eight beer a night, and so that's what I was doing. You know, we'd hang out, drink beers, and Now you're getting buzzed and then, but that was like every night. And so when I came home from paving, I kept doing that, I'd keep buying beer and stuff. And my kid was born and I was like couldn't pass a liquor store without stopping and getting some beers. And then, yeah, it just got to that point where I was like, oh, okay, I'm just going to cut it off. Yeah, got to stop, stop going to the liquor store. So I stopped going to the liquor store and then now it's like I don't even think about drinking, but that's good. Yeah, I haven't really been smoking pot either, which is kind of crazy because I was the biggest pot head for like the longest time in my whole life, my whole life, you know not because, like it was, you know, personally negatively affecting me, but I just kind of stopped buying it as well. And so is that. Is it legal up there now or down here? Up here, I mean, down here it is.
Speaker 1:You know, when I was in high school, if you got caught with pot outside of school like if you were like smoking pot and you know, in a park or something, I'd say like a good half of the time they would just like take it, and then the other half of the time they would call your parents. But I would always give my buddy's dad's number because he would be like oh okay, you know what I mean, I'll come pick you up. I remember this one time where my buddy we all got we were like my one friend, he didn't even come and blaze with us, but he was like you know, I know this like great spot, and so he like took us to this park. There was like in the middle of the park there's all these trees, and then, like we went into the trees and like climb the trees and we were like sitting there smoking, and then my one friend was like dude, cops are walking down the path. Oh, like, but the friend that brought us there left. So he brought us there and just left, he didn't even blaze with us, and then we're sitting there getting stunned and all of a sudden he's like. My other friend was like dude, cops are coming down. So we all like run down the tree and start running the opposite way as you would with police, and I threw my pipe into like this person's yard and, you know, so I could get it later.
Speaker 1:I knew where I was doing, I guess, and so, yeah, we ran. And then the cops are like I was like 300 pounds at that time. Oh shit, dude, you weren't running. No, exactly, that's exactly the point of that little detail in there. I wasn't running. So I basically was a light jog, and so, of course, when the cops caught up to me, then all my friends like stopped and like came back and the cop was, you know, doing the search thing and he, he found everyone's little stash. And I had this little box I made in Woodwork and it had a secret compartment. I thought I was so sneaky, I was so proud of myself you know what I mean. And the cop opened the box. Nothing was in there, and then he just pulled out the side, like I didn't. I'm good at Woodwork, so I was actually like kind of shocked, like it did. He didn't even hesitate, he just like opened it, pulled out the side and he was like nice, dumped it out and stomped on it and I was just like, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I swear that was going to be, that was not going to happen. Dude, a hundred percent in my head. I was like, oh, I'm getting worried with this one for sure. Yeah, and yeah and he. Then we're all standing there and he's like I don't really know what to do with you guys. And then my one buddy is like this Asian kid and he was, like you know, kind of a goody type of kid and didn't really like mess around, but he was a bit of a stoner and he's like just don't call my parents please. Yeah, yeah, Always.
Speaker 1:Don't only only person that got a phone call to his parents. Yeah, but his parents barely spoke English, so he didn't even get in trouble for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was pretty funny yeah, they probably didn't even understand what was going on. You know, yeah, we were all like, you know, like my mom knew I smoked weed, but she also like didn't approve of it by any means, but yeah, so like everyone was like kind of nervous, you know, like are we getting a call this time or are we getting away with it? And sure enough, the only person that got a call was the kid that said please don't call my parents, yep.
Speaker 1:So the moral of the story, kids, is don't tell the cop not to call your parents. Yeah, just, you know, just be cool and see where it goes. You never know. Yeah, you'll find out, you'll find out. But yeah, man, I have so many of those stories that I think back on, like at random points in my life and I'm like we did that. You know what I mean. Yeah, no, I got a few myself. Some of them are not the proudest moments, but I mean it was still an experience that you probably know a lot of people live. So it was cool, 100%. Well, I know all those. Those experiences made us into the people we are now. And I don't know about you, but you don't seem to be that bad of a guy. So, yeah, you haven't met me yet, you know in person. So here we go. Oh man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just joking, yeah.
Speaker 1:I live. I'm pretty laid back now. I don't do you know just fishing? You know just. You know just fucking. You know how we all do just all. We do think about this fishing and waiting for Sheila at time. And then you know it's in the wintertime, you're kind of like it gets dark, you're waking up and you're starting fishing at like whatever time light is, which is like 730, is you know eight o'clock, and you can only fish till four o'clock, and then you go hibernate in the wintertime. Dude, no, it sucks.
Speaker 1:I was like when I first got into fly fishing, I was still partying pretty heavily and then one day it just kind of like changed where I was, like shit, I need to get up early tomorrow. You know people are like, are you coming out? And I'd be like man, I can't, I got to go fishing tomorrow, you know. So like it totally changed. Or you know what I perceived as important. Yeah, I really really did change because of fishing and I mean I still like to go out and party with them some while and, you know, go to a music festival or something and have a good time, whatever, but at the end of the day I'm also like, you know, if it, if it was a peak season that I wanted to be hitting, yeah, I'm going to bed, yeah, and if I, and if we go camping and we're like drinking beers at night, we're still getting up and fishing that next day.
Speaker 1:Like it doesn't matter, you know when you do that, it's like you don't actually know what time you're getting up. Your plan, your set time that you put in your alarm clock doesn't. It's probably not that time you're actually going to be getting up. I don't know. We were like, I guess, like you know. That being said, when I know I'm going fishing the next morning, I have a bit of a cut off because I'm like shit, those fish need to have me show up and be present. I know with you know I go camping and fishing with like the same group of dudes most of the time. You know. I know not to let the normal guy with the alarm clock now to get everyone up. I'm going to start doing it now on, cause he never seems to get us up, because he's so messed up, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I get in a really good rhythm of. Right now my sleep schedule is pretty decent. On my island. It sucks because, like my body wants to wake up at like 6.30, but I need to be up and out of bed at like 6. So I'm still like trying to get that back there. But when I get it perfect, I wake up like minutes before my alarm, like just very naturally, which is always my preferred way of waking up.
Speaker 1:It's always you feel a lot better. I feel like you're. You know you're more in tune to go do something. Yeah, well, and it definitely helps when you're really excited about something. You know. Yeah, like when you're when you've had a normal sleep, it was good, and you're going fishing, that first alarm hits. You're just like you're erecting out of bed. You know like you're jumping quick. Yeah. You're like, oh shit, gotta get that coffee going. Yeah, text all the boys. Like everyone up. Good, you know One person out of like four people or you know whatever amount. If it's just two people you're going fishing with, or one and they don't text you back in like three minutes you're like bomb texting them and then like calling them and they're like dude. I was in the washroom and like dude, like you're up, right, yeah, get your ass up and making sure you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We got. We got places to be, yeah, but yeah, so I haven't. I haven't actually fished in like almost a month now, which that's my favorite Dude, now that I say it out loud and like I was, I'm supposed to go this weekend, you know, kind of finally in a sense, and it looks like it's kind of blowing out.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so that's funny.
Speaker 1:The one river I could fish are normally as close, so even if it was like about to blow out, I could still fish it. But Good luck, good luck. So you'll see, it's not the biggest deal in the world. I did fish my little heart out in the last 10 full months, so we kind of need a blowout here. To be honest, it's like it's fucking. It's really like stinky. You know what I mean. Yeah, with all these pinks still hanging around, it's crazy. Like sometimes I don't even want to be on the river.
Speaker 1:Dude, when I would take my dog out during salmon season was just the worst, you know. Yeah, they'd roll around in this like, oh, dude, I know exactly what you're talking about. Just the worst. Yeah, it's awful man. Sometimes it would be so like he'd be so good the whole day. I would be, like, you know, almost proud of him, like good job guy, and then, like minutes before we're about to get in the car, he runs off in a bush and I, you know, not paying attention for just that. Just enough time for him to get his chest in it.
Speaker 1:Dude, my dog two, three seasons ago had pink eye for like a month and a half. I didn't know dogs could get that, I guess. Yeah, I had to give him drops, but basically he would roll in a salmon, rub him, rub his like arms trying to like clean himself, and then rub his eyes, wow, and so he just had like bacteria in his eye constantly and I'd literally be, like you know, doing everything I can to try to make sure he doesn't get into it. But now he's, uh, he's, unfortunate in getting to that age. Um, he actually, yeah, he can't, he can't do a full day of fishing with me anymore. Oh, he's getting old, huh, yeah.
Speaker 1:And he also recently got ran over by a, by a car on my property, and so I'm sorry to hear that, yeah, yeah, that was, that was sad, but you know what, he's still kicking it. So I had one of one of my dogs when I was young got that, that's how he got killed. It was like one of my favorite dogs, yeah, but they live and learn a little bit, I think you. Yeah, well, and it was obviously, um, I don't want to say my dog's dumb by any means, but, man, you know, if you saw a car coming, you'd move, but even when I'm pulling up my truck, like every day, he's, he loves being outside. So he spends basically his whole days outside, and when I drive home, even after this, this accident, he still just like sits or like goes right by the car, I'm just like. Or the truck and I'm just like dude, dude, you didn't learn the first time bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, literally, it's like man, like obviously shit's going to happen if you keep doing that. Yeah, but you know what? He's pretty damn cute. So he gets a pass. Yeah, let him go.
Speaker 1:I guess my dog has like nine lines. I don't think he realizes he's a dog and not a cat because he's like anyone that knows him knows he's like come to near death multiple times. My dog is, uh, it's funny to say that. I think my dog's kind of like a cat. Sometimes too, he thinks he is. I don't know Like he, just he's just too much sometimes, you know. Or he just jumping around like a cat and you know, running out of nowhere, he does the same thing. We run out in the road and I'm like, dude, relax, yeah, he's excited to go. Or you know, when I'm getting ready to go, he's like you know I'm leaving, mm. Hmm, he's like he's just, uh, it's funny, it's a, it's a tough one, like because he always came fishing with me and then when I stopped taking him fishing, man, that was like heartbreaking. He just, like, you know, see my fishing gear coming out and he'd like get all all excited and I kind of, you know, like we'll lay down in Cosmo and he'd just like look back at me, like what do you mean? He'll lay down.
Speaker 1:If we're on fishing topic, let's talk about fishing like what's your gear? Well, what's your setups right now, what's your Roger using and stuff. Well, I would be doing some. Uh, I'm trying to really get better with the long belly line that I have. I have the, uh, the uh, bridge tributary, um. So last time, I the bridges are new.
Speaker 1:I, I seemed like they're they're just coming up on. Well, they're not new, they're just um, the it's not a big company. Um, yeah, the guy that makes them is like an extremely it's very good at casting. I've been, I've seen him cast live and, uh, man, it's ridiculous, like casting out like 180 feet, just there it is. Um. So, yeah, I've had the bridge for maybe three years now. Two years, three years, something like that. Um, it's a long belly line though. So it's a little different from like a Skagit or whatnot. But yeah, it's for, like you know, long casts and stuff. Yeah, exactly, so I've been, I've been messing with that.
Speaker 1:I did get a coho and, um, a couple of chum when I went out it was just kind of super low water, which was less than ideal, but I was kind of chalking it up to just wanting to cast and I got to do so. But yeah, yeah there, uh, that's what I've been using is. I've been, I've been using super into the two handed right now, and then, uh, streamer fishing that's like all I really want to do. So streamer fishing is is sick, and then spay casting is pretty sick as well. So, yeah, super and super and tuned with wanting to get that going. Um, so, yeah, sorry, what was that? Okay, so what kind of reel do you run? Yeah, that's so for my. I have two um running to and rise reels for my um space setups. Because I got two space. I got an eight foot, sorry, no, an eight weight um. 12 foot on dance, yeah, um, yeah, eight weight, 11 foot um Kroemer and then a 12. I think it's 12. It might be 12-6. I can't remember off the top of my head but a 12-foot Playmore, seven weight, yeah, and then I got the rises on there. But honestly, I've been wanting to To buy a new reel.
Speaker 1:My one buddy he might he'll hear this potentially and we'll get a little bit of a laugh at it, but he has the, an Andrews, andrew or a reel that says Andrew on it. It's Hardy reel that says Andrew, yeah, and so I'm his name's, not Andrew, mine is. So I'm like that's my bro. Yeah, I mean, come on, my name's Legitimately on it. You know, or kid, you'd be like my name's on it and that that meant something. But then you grow up and it doesn't mean anything, I don't know. So He'll come around. He'll come around.
Speaker 1:It's a, it's a sought-after real or it's. It's also not the easiest one to get a hold of, so I'll give them some time. But yeah, I need the. The rise it has like a big arbor, but the pin that you know the whole drag system and everything and the like spool spins on and everything is Is quite, quite small. So when I was fishing for spring salmon with my eight weight, it Started grinding on the casing, like this spool started grinding on the casing, and so now whenever I'm fighting a big fish, it gets this like kind of grindy sound. It's still smooth enough that it doesn't cause an issue and potentially if I talked to Reddington Maybe they would sort me out.
Speaker 1:But in all honesty, I'm definitely ready for, you know, good, yeah, I like either like super new looking reels or like the classics, but I just never really pulled the trigger on buying the you know a thousand dollar reel. Yeah, it's, it's a hard little Thing to come like, overcome spending that much money on it, but it definitely it's and hardy, like a hardy perfect is worth its money in gold. You know, yeah, and that's that's another one that I've been trying out. But yeah, I'm trying. I'm on this new game of not spending money as much as possible. Okay, I'm on the same game with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not as easy, it's not as exciting, but Sometimes it has to be done and so, yeah, I'm, I'm really trying not to spend a ton of money right now. I did buy a reel for my streamer rod Not too long ago. I got the oh shit, it's a, it's a sage. Ooh, maybe it'll come back to me. I'm blanking on it. I had a full work day so, like, my brain's not not at optimal speed right now, yeah, but I really do like that reel. For one thing, it's super smooth. So if I want to pick up my line really quick, I can just, like you know, smack it and spin it all up and it's good to go. Yeah. So, yeah, there's. You know, with with fly fishing, you can, you can spend money really easily.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, um, sometimes it makes you think that you need to spend money if you want to be catching more fish, but you don't know what you have to. So, yeah, that's not true. Yeah, exactly as long as like, for me, as long as I got a really good line and a decent rod. And I mean when I say decent rod, I think, like most rods these days are created pretty good, especially with, like, the quality of the graphite and all that. Well, I mean like the, the Reddington's, I mean say, I mean say Jones, everything you know. Yeah, and I I'm not a huge fan of the sage rods these days, to be honest, because most of you guys.
Speaker 1:Well, they're expensive, but then like, if one breaks, I Need to get back on the water. You know, I guess right now I'm not fishing a ton, so it could potentially be Not the biggest deal. But you know, if you only get a fish once a week or once a month and your rod breaks and you have to wait a year or longer or like close to a year, you know that's that to me is a big problem. So that's that's my. That's where I have a bit of shtick with with sage. I sent in a rod it's not a rod I use very often, but I sent one in to get repaired and it took like eight months. I Forgot about it and then it, like shop, called me and was like, hey, your rods in. And I was like, oh yeah, like, oh, cool, awesome, thanks, yeah. So. And then I picked it up and it broke again. So are you serious, dude? I've had, out of all my rods, sage rods have broke on me the most. Well, I agree with you on that. I got two broken ones downstairs. I haven't touched in like months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, the Like they cast, great, you know, if you really like a fast action rod, I don't. So they don't cast the greatest of me. I like slower to medium action rods, kind of like, not like bamboo style, but like you know that order, I like feeling my rod load. Yeah Well, and that's the thing is. Sage rods have always been a fast action rod as far as I know. So they just don't. They're not as forgiving like a fast action rod is just simply not as forgiving. So like if your cast isn't super on point or you're timed Very well, then you're automatically going to Not be casting as well. But I'm in the same boat. Like I like a medium, medium action rod. That to me is like kind of perfect. You know, yeah, something that you know is forgiving, but it also just feels nice to cast. But you know, everyone's got their own thing. I started on sage rods. I thought that was like you know Back when I would spend money.
Speaker 1:Yeah money for no reason yeah exactly and then I was also always buying for the name brand. But now it's like you know well what's your warranty like, yeah, that's a huge thing, especially if you're like doing the guiding thing or if you can only you only have a few rods. Like warranty is such a big deal. It is, and I think any rod manufacturer or real or line manufacturer that respects the warranty and the fact that, like you know, a hundred dollars to one person could be, you know, hard to get or hard to save up to versus another person. So if you know a hundred dollars or five hundred dollars or whatever, and it breaks on you and there's a warranty, like you need to be back on the water, a sap and got time for no, you know well how did it break and Was it your fault, and it's like, yeah, it probably was my fault. Like I'm out there fishing, doing some shit, yeah, at the same time, like you got a warranty for a reason. So I just want just yeah, like I just want to fix the case, yeah, but I really, like I'm you know I'm talked about it so many times on the podcast that echo. They've just been so good to me and so good to so many people I know. They're great, they're pretty good, like price point and everything you know, yeah. And then like the, they're still owned by the, the original Builder, or like the guy that started the company and he Made his company so that people could get into fly fishing and have a quality rod that you know lasts and their warranty is just you know, same with, like lamps and Reels, their warranty. You call them up, you have an issue, you're getting your shit sorted. That to me, is so important, so, so important. So, yeah, that's how I, it's how I live my life now. It's like, what kind of warranty do you have? Yeah, honestly, like I got a story for you.
Speaker 1:So my Patagonia waiters I bought them, you know, and they they started leaking on me recently and I'm like, oh, damn it, I don't have any other waiters to wear. This is sucks. So I'm like I gotta go buy some new waiters tomorrow. And my buddy was like you know, if you go down the store, they might just replace, they might just make swapping for brand new waiters. I'm like, yeah, right, you know what waiting company will do that? I mean, what company will do that in general? But I called them up and they were. They went, I went down there and they were kind of at first didn't want to do it because they don't do it like in store anymore.
Speaker 1:They want you to send them in, then they'll exchange them. Yeah, well, they're like, yeah, so you got to get back on the water. I'm like, yeah, I use this for work. He's like, all right, we're gonna hook you up. And they just fucking, they gave me brand new, you know, top-of-line waiters, those zippers, you know. I'm like, oh my god, you guys are like, you guys are awesome. You know, like that that's Type of company that I want to present that will take care of, take care of you 100%.
Speaker 1:I had the same same thing with Patagonia got brand new waiters. Now, like when I did it, that used to be the way they did. It is, they just exchanged them in stores and then the store could send in the old waiters and they would get a new pair. Yeah, but now they want to. They want you to send them in just to like double check. You know, but, yeah, any, any, any company that's like willing to to stick their neck out like that for you. Well, you know, you know Sims won't do that. Sims will try to like Ask me a little bit, or I try to fix them and then send them back. And then I've had it where they fixed them, send them back. They leaked again and I'm like huh, this is just, this, is this is why are you doing this to me? Can you just Just like replace them, you know, or at least like lifetime warranty, if you.
Speaker 1:Don't want to replace them. Yeah, they're work. He's like I think it's like free replacement within 30 days or something, and then like after 90 days, I don't remember what they're. More, I don't wear Sims anymore often. So I do have pair of Sims laying around, but it's not like my go-to waiters, like my backups, you know. Yep, 100%. Now I'm in the same boat. They'll wear Sims anymore.
Speaker 1:I wear Sims boots. I've had good luck with the Sim boots but I haven't had the best luck with the Sims waiters, but I got the opposite. I don't have the greatest look of sins but they kind of hurt my feet. I don't know if I just didn't break them in like all the way. But I just wear corkers and they're wonderful. They're.
Speaker 1:Rubber is not the greatest, like the material, and the rubber is probably not the 100% greatest, but I mean they overall are really comfy and they're holding up, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean that's the thing is. You know, everyone will have a little bit of a different what they like and you know what kind of putting is done good on them. But yeah, warranties, that's a big deal for me. I want to have my shit when I need it and I want it to work properly, 100%. That's like a. That's that's funny because it's like that's probably the number one thing I look for, even if I'm looking at like a company like what is your guys's like policy for returns, warranties, exchanges, with all that crap? Yeah, no, it's a, it's a big. It's a big component when we're spending, you know, a thousand, whatever dollars on Whatever we're spending it. Or if you know anywhere close to that. You know if it's 10, if it's something's 10, 20 bucks and it breaks like Okay, life goes on, but if I'm spending, like you know, I had to save up for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah you have any experience with I mean they're on their near in the market but grounded in waiters. No, but I believe that actually makes sense. No, but I believe that actually might be the next thing I go for in waiters. I have like when I did commercial fishing I got I had like Grunden rubber outfit whatever you want to call it, I don't know Stuff.
Speaker 1:I'd use for commercial fishing. So it's super thick. And now I honestly sometimes use the bottom like the overalls for the bibs yeah, the bibs for when I was for construction, because if it's like you know, I do gutters and stuff. So if it's a, it's coming down on me. I need to. I want to stay dry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not always looking to wear stuff that should keep me dry, that doesn't, you know. I mean, I always laugh at it because, like when I'm fishing waders and a you know solid jacket, I stay dry. But then when I'm doing construction, constantly getting wet with you know helly hands and stuff on and still paying a pretty penny for it, maybe it's not as expensive, but now it's pretty, it's still pricey. Yeah, it still sucks. To like wear rubber when in your, when it's pouring rain and your, you know already really hot because you're carrying heavy materials and whatnot. So, yeah, I basically I honestly, unless it's like pouring rain, I don't put rain gear on. If it's just like raining decently, then I just have like two sweaters and halfway through the day I'll switch sweaters and then the next. Then when I get into my truck I have, like you know, some dry clothes and I'll just change out, because I just don't like being like hella layered up.
Speaker 1:I get hot when I work. Oh yeah, I'm a warm, I stay warm, you know. Yeah, exactly. So the level of really don't like how the swing is being set garbage, yeah, what do you? What are you tying there? I'm tired. This one, this whole podcast, has been one fly. I've tied, like I think, two or three.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's all right, you know it's it's, it's it's it. Hopefully that works for you. I don't plan on losing it. I don't plan on losing it. I like touching my, like when I'm tying steelhead flies or whatever I do. I do not mind, so not like I have this time. I've been just staring at it like what do I do? What do I want?
Speaker 2:to go on it.
Speaker 1:So I used to do that so much, like, yeah, will that be good? Maybe that one? Yeah, I go back and forth through my materials like, try something new here. You know, if I was tying this for like customers then, yeah, I'd be whipping them out quick. But this is for my, my own steelhead adventures. Yeah, and I kind of wanted a wing, and if I don't put a wing and put some jungle cock on, then the purport, or like the head part, is going to be too far back and that's going to bother me.
Speaker 1:So my girlfriend just laughed at you saying jungle cock, hey, it's not a no, no, like I'm, that's a thing, babe. You know, dude, tell her that jungle cock is expensive. You got to respect the cock she's like. She's like I'm sure it is. I'm like, yeah, it really is. Though, baby, my cape, it's like 150 to 200 bucks or something Real stuff. Though you know, yeah, I still got to buy some nice. I never got around. I just use the fake stuff for all the customer stuff. I got to buy some nice stuff for some nice clothes. You know, yeah, I put jungle cock on so many of my flies that don't need it. Yeah, I love the look of it. She's dying over here. She's really thinking that's a funny, freaking word. Oh, it is. I mean, that's that's. You know, we're dying flies and someone's like yep, put a little cock on it. I'm like nice, nice, what do you mean Peacock? No, this is jungle cock. This is that jungle cock. Yeah, it sounds like you got a jumbo cock. Yeah, it's the elusive jungle cock. Yeah, could.
Speaker 2:I possibly catch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, could I even catch a fish without jungle cock on a fly? If that I do not know. Yeah, I wonder if there's some like OG, like old fisherman, that would just be like no, you got to use that. That's just the stuff. Hey man, it gets you confidence. Throw that jungle cock on it. Yeah, it really. It swims really well. It looks really good on the water. It just looks like little eyes. I love the detail, the what it adds to the fly. Like such a simple little thing. The real stuff is like sweet man. It looks like. I mean, it looks like it should be. Yeah, I don't know, I just I love the look of it. It looks really nice, but like the fake stuff, it doesn't last with crap. It just breaks off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it falls apart or comes with splits or like it just. It's just every half the time I'm ripping it out of the fly. That's why you got to use that real cock, you can't, you can't.
Speaker 2:I can't yeah, I'm just trying to make her laugh.
Speaker 1:She's still laughing.
Speaker 2:Good, good.
Speaker 1:That's funny, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, and I like from the jungle park that I like to get is the B grade. I don't need it to be perfect. The C grade I haven't actually bought, but I do want it to be like relatively good and put together. Yeah, the only thing when I'm like looking for jungle cock is like the size. I do like a good size ones. I don't because half the time you end up using half the cape and the other. I don't use all the small stuff most of the time. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, size does matter. So, yeah, that's what they say. At least that's what they say.
Speaker 1:What do you think they've said? Jungle cock? I'm not sure. She's just losing it. She's like I can't believe these two guys, these two full grown men, are having this conversation right now, talking about jungle cock. Yeah, we're talking about jungle cock over here. Yeah, david pays the bills. Some jungle cock farmer is saying that right now. He's like well, you know what. These cocks pay the bills. Yep, they're doing something right. Um, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:You guys up in Canada, man, you guys seem to use a lot of red flies for like C-lead, which I've been like I don't, I have one down here. You know we don't use that much, but I've been. I think I'm gonna tie some more red flies this year for steelhead. Yeah, man, I mean, I don't know, you know, I just something, try something different this year. Yeah, I don't know if I've really tied like a straight red fly. Well, not like, you know, you got it's like you know how you do your black and blues. Well, this will be more like a black and red, you know. Yeah, I don't know Something new. I'll try out, see how it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I, I really like black and blue, purple and black. Um, yeah, just, I like that dark. I mean steelhead water tends to be that darker stuff, you know. Yeah, I tend to go towards that. Like kind of a darker tone Makes me at least think that they're seeing it better. But yeah, as long as there's that jungle cock on it, we're good to go. We might be in a good shape. Yeah, I hate doing that. You just got to watch out when you search up JungleCock on Google. You got to watch out because you got to make sure you add, like for fly time or something, or else you might get something a little different than what you're expecting, oh yeah, yeah, I'll give it a.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll try it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll give it a Careful everyone. Yeah, see what comes up. I'm going to go get that blue one. Make sure you're using the right search engine. Yeah, I need that good one. Yeah, google. Yeah, look it up. See what pops up. My girlfriend's going to look it up right now. Yeah, just put JungleCock. Don't even add anything else in it.
Speaker 1:It's going wild. Junglecock, junglecock. Something weird is going to pop up, I'm sure Whatever I once typed in, instead of hot mail I wrote hot mail, and that that's a different thing too. So watch out there folks. Yeah, see him. What? Oh, yeah, it came up. No, it looked. Yeah, stuff popped up Sounds good. Yeah, just don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess, depending what search engine you're on, you'll find what you're looking for. I guess, either way, you might find what you're looking for. But yeah, yeah, whatever you're looking for, you'll find something. No, babe, gosh, she's getting a little wily. Yeah, she's getting excited. Oh sorry, yeah. So yeah, I find that a lot of the darker tone colors are what I always tie. I mean, I've definitely come to realize that those black and purple seems to be pretty across the board for everyone on Steelhead, especially when it runs and it just looks good. Man, it does, it does. I'm just gonna. I just want to do some weird stuff this year, might as well, you know. Yeah, weird stuff has been known to work. Yeah, steelhead are weird.
Speaker 2:So Maybe they'll like it.
Speaker 1:They are weird. You know, some trout was just like at one point in its life was like. You know what? You guys stay in the river. I'm going out there, yeah. And they all looked at him like what are you doing? Then he came all back all jacked up like whoa dude, like dude, you been on steroids or something. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I've been working out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just roided out, he's roided out on the herring. Yeah, it's kind of crazy how they just they decide to make that journey dude. Yeah, that's so cool and I've talked about it enough times, but it's just the fact that they even can find their way home. I mean, well, some of them get lost, but I mean most of them make their way home, yeah, well then, who really knows what happens? Yeah, I, honestly, it'd be really cool to like actually track a. I mean they do, but I mean like literally, like just I don't know, just see it in their eyes what they go through. It'd be just a perfect catch of GoPro to this, yeah, like a back camera or something you know, like something that won't fall off. It'd be a lot of nothing and then some shit happened and then, like a lot of nothing, you need one GoPro to the front and one GoPro to the back so you can see, like, are they getting chased by some shit, you know? Yeah, then someone would get, someone would write up a thing to the court saying it's animal abuse, I mean, like you know, fish abuse or something. Hey man, what if he got that steel head to sign an agreement? Yeah right, I'll think outside the box these days. Yeah, you do. Well, it's cool.
Speaker 1:It sounds like you don't have like crazy experience on the spay ride. Huh, you're mostly a single-handed dude. Um, I don't know, like four or five years on the spay ride, oh, okay, yeah, you got experience on. You know somewhat. You know what you're doing. Yeah, I definitely am not like phenomenal caster, but that's the thing is like I can fish all year round on the island. I just have to like change up what I'm doing. So you know it goes from like supplies to anything to. You know you're going to spay casting, to saltwater fishing, like I'm I like to. I know a little bit of everything. You know what I mean. I'm not, maybe, a master at any, but I can definitely hold my own. And I mean you're a good bullshitter. Yeah, I'm a great bullshitter. Yeah, I really do Like each little section of fly fishing you know, in the different styles has something special for me.
Speaker 1:So, like spay casting, you know steelhead during the winter, yeah, you're not catching a ton maybe, but it's so peaceful and, like you know, when it does happen it's insane. Yeah, um, and then dry fly action. That's just exciting and you get to watch it. Streamer fishing, you get to make it happen. You know that fish might have not done anything and then you pull it out of its little hole and all of a sudden it's smacking your fly or chasing it, and then smacking it or just chasing it. Yeah, yerrowing can be like, in a sense, technical when you're, you know, trying to figure out the bugs or the depth, or you know, the only thing I don't really do is bobber in the river.
Speaker 1:I've never like our fly our fly only doesn't really allow that or doesn't allow that, and I fish the fly only a lot during trout season. So yeah, that's good, that's good to hear you. I'm not a big fan of those guys because I feel like it's almost like just gear fishing. But you know, it's time and place. I mean whatever floats your boat. Yeah, so as far as, like you know, if I'm going, if I'm going a nymph, I'd rather do a long line. Whether this is on the lakes or not, I'd rather just do a long line. Or if it's on the river, still long line. And or Yerrow, like I don't really like to mess around, if I'm on a lake fishing chronomids, then yeah, I would. I would rather. Just, you know, watching an indicator is pretty eventful. When the chronomids are popping and like you're fishing 20, 30 feet down and you have an, you need an indicator and or a sinking line. So yeah, they all have their time and place. I mean, you know, someone's just getting into fly fishing and is having a hard time figuring out depth or bead size or something. Having an indicator that's going to get them into more fish. But I find a lot of people with, like, spay fishing. You know anyone that's die hard. Spay fishing, you know, basically looks at everything else, like you know, waste of time. But then when they maybe like spay fishing and dry fly action, those two go pretty good hand in hand because you can do dry, solid spay, yeah, and all that I guess you can still do. Yeah, everyone has their own way of doing it. I respect the game. I've done it, I've done it all. I've done some some dirty things. I do the Euro. So a lot of people would be like, oh my God, you know, they don't want a lot of spay people. They usually don't like Euro or dry flies or like think it's ridiculous. But that's where, like you know, if we're talking, nymphing or trying to be getting down to the bottom and we're trying to do the best presentation possible, yeah, I would say Euro is the best presentation possible and that's why it's so, so effective, yeah, you know. And then people that are spay fishing well, it's not the most effective way to catch fish, but boy is it fun and the cast is just so therapeutic and it's got all these good, good reasons why we like it. Oh yeah, it's a bunch of dumb reasons. A bunch of dumb reasons.
Speaker 1:There he is, there we go. My fly is now complete, awesome. Yes, I will put it closer so you can see it. Let's check it out. Oh yeah, looking sexy, dude. I mean, watch this, it's alive. Yeah, it is, it's swimming.
Speaker 1:You got to do the blow technique, you know, unless you got a swim tank. Yeah, I need to get one of those. Oh, they're pretty sweet, man. Obviously, once they became popular, they went up in price, but still pretty sweet. I'm just going to build my own smell. Yeah, I mean, all you really need is a water pump and a tank, and then, if you could get a cylinder, some kind of plastic cylinder or something I'm a DIY guy, dude I'll figure something out, you know, dude, I believe in you. Thanks, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:It's good to have faith in people. It helps them think about it differently too. Yeah, well, I 100% believe in you. I think you got this. Yeah, I've honestly done the same thing where I was like, hmm, I bet I could build one. Yeah, that can't be rocket science, right? Nope, Nope. The tube in the tank definitely would make it easier, because then you can cut the flow through the tube. Yeah, and I think that's where they have advantage, because there's not a lot of clear tubes out there? No, there's not, but I'm sure I can go on some forums and figure out how someone did something, or you know. Yeah, I like the bathtub when people just drag it through the bathtub, that's always fun. Really, I've never seen that. Oh yeah, like fill up your bathtub and then test your flies out or even your sink. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1:That's fine, I never thought about that that's the poor man's swim tank right there. Yeah, I mean it works, you know, especially if you have kids and you got to give them a bath, like hold on kid. Yeah, yeah, just toss that. I got to see how these things swim, or you know what here play with you. Let's see how they work, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just don't run around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly yeah, oh, that's funny. Well there, victor, I think I need to go into bed soon because I got one more day and then it's weekend. Nice dude. Yeah, go enjoy it. Yeah, but no, I appreciate you hopping on. That was fun. I mean, I think I'm always, like I said, when we talked about doing this, I was like that's a good idea. I've been enjoying doing the podcast while tying fly. It's not every time that I'm going to do it, but it is a time that I enjoy and I never really was doing that before. So I'm having fun with it and I enjoy it. I love tying flys. Man, I just sit here and you know, just like I said, you kind of look it over, go back, get at it, stare at it and maybe I'll put that in it. You know, it's just one of those things. Yeah, it only took me an hour and 20 minutes to tie one fly. It's fine. It's fine Whatever you know. I mean, if it catches a fish, you're like, yep, that was awesome it works.
Speaker 1:It just needs to catch one steelhead. Yeah, that's all. Honestly dude any fly that catches a steelhead is like all right, that's a good fly, that worked out great. Yeah Well, and I've been super into these like classic style flies. I know I'm not tying it any like if I posted this on a classic forum people would just chew me alive. So that's not what I'm really going for, but the just kind of the body stuff.
Speaker 2:I got a few tied I just tied.
Speaker 1:Let's see, let's look at it. This one I really like. This one got me a steelhead last season. Mine didn't get landed, but that looks, that looks sweet. Dude, this is the one that looks sweet. That's like you might as well tie a few of those, because if it's it's the guy you still had before, it's going to get you one again, hopefully, yeah. And then this is just a bit of a different. I just I don't know. Yeah, these like wet flies, like not not a ton of material on them. What are you using for that long? What's that long material in there? Heron oh, you got some Heron laying around. Laying around. Yeah, I buy it. I don't know, Down here you're not allowed to use it. So it's like, yeah, kind of a.
Speaker 1:You're not allowed to you can't buy it. No, it's not. It's not. It's. It's like a endangered species act or something. I forgot what it was. But yeah, you're not allowed to like use it in your flying. That's where the black market of a fly time material is comes in handy.
Speaker 2:No, there is. Did you ever?
Speaker 1:did you ever hear about that story that was, the guy was in like a mute. My well, my old timer just told me about this. There was a guy over. He worked for a museum or for like this bird museum or something and he stole a ton. Yeah, you heard, I just heard the story recently. I was like holy crap. And he's like sounding on eBay and all this crap. And yeah, I do, it blew my mind that he was doing that.
Speaker 1:It's kind of crazy out there, man. Yeah, like people, like people go that hard for fly material stuff, like holy crap. Yeah, and you know, especially when you're tying some of those like classic flies and it calls for that one material, you know you got to have it go out of habit. It's like Pokemon. You know you got to catch them all. Yeah, exactly, we're right on man. Well, I'll let you go because I need to get to bed, but yeah, thanks for coming on and joining me again and I hope that fly you tied catches you a nice, nice show.
Speaker 1:Let's see if I can show you real quick. Let me see what you got going on here. It's a little black and red thing. Oh my God, my phone Hold on. Technical difficulties happening. Oh, my gosh, you're still there. Yeah, okay, All right, let me show you See if I can get a zoom in on it. Yeah, I got some little purple on the end. You got some red and some Just a little intruder, you know, yeah, it's got some. It's got that teardrop shape that I like to see. Yeah, so you leave your trailer hook off. See, I like to leave my trailer hook on, so once in a while it snags me and I know that it's sharp. Yeah, that's what I. So when I try traditional flies I always end up getting snagged, you know, at those hooks. So I'm like intruders. If I don't have to use, I know exactly where to put the, the, like the hook usually, so it's like I don't need it. You know some people that helps them measure, like how much, where to put their what, what you know. But yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I feel you man it. I should leave the hook off, but I leave it on and I actually have some blood on my finger because I definitely picked myself, so I don't. I don't always say it takes me a few more, but yeah, dude, sweet, you have yourself a great night, yeah, and yeah, don't drink too many beers. No, no beers tonight. All right, cheers, buddy. All right, have a good one.
Speaker 2:Thank you for listening to dead drifter society. Make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. In the meantime, keep up with the show and get to know Andrew on Instagram at dead drifter society. Until next time. And there you have it. That was Victor Roslister.
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