049. Avoiding Burnout - Harvesting and Preserving

This season, our focus: How to avoid burnout on your homestead. Kevin and Lisa will take a brief look at some of the specific topics that fall under this umbrella of discussion. And Lisa will take on our first topic - how to avoid burnout when it comes to harvesting and preserving. Let's dive in!

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Transcript

Lisa: 0:00

Welcome to the two acre homestead podcast where your host, Lisa and Kevin. And on today's episode, we're going to be talking about burnout. Yes, it's a real thing on a homestead you can get burnt out. But we're going to be talking about avoiding burnout when it comes to the harvesting and preserving season on the homestead. Welcome to the two acre homestead come along with us on our journey from a small Suburban Homestead lifestyle, to our new lifestyle homesteading in the rural countryside of southern Arizona. We'll share with you our tips, tricks, successes and failures from both our past suburban lifestyle to our new role lifestyle, all on the two acre homestead.

Kevin: 1:09

Okay, so let's dive in episode two. So again, we're talking about burnout on the homestead. And as you said, it's a real thing. Yes, it is we experience.

Lisa: 1:24

Yes, we have. I think we've had several instances where we've either wanted to throw in the towel, or we're just so burnt out. We just can't do anything right now.

Kevin: 1:36

Yeah. And you know, it's

Lisa: 1:38

good that time. We're good now. But at that time,

Kevin: 1:40

yeah, it's it's good to kind of step back for a minute, take a breather and assess, right, because you don't want to quit. There's, I think, early on, right and season one. We talked about what's our why. And we have definite reasons why we homestead and we continue to homestead. But you can't let those things annoy you bug you and great at you. So that you know you get to that point where you really just want to throw in the towel, right? Yeah. And we talked about this last episode. One of the reasons why we took a couple months off was we needed to just take a break.

Lisa: 2:21

We certainly did. And it was a good break. Because we got a chance to sit back. Reassess. Yes, we were still homesteading, we weren't slackers, but we, it gave us a chance to be in the monotony to figure out I shouldn't say the monotony, but in the rhythm back and just into a normal rhythm, so that we could figure out what it was that was stressing us out and making it difficult. And I think all homesteaders need to do that because at the end of the day, you when you're living a homesteading lifestyle, you're going against the grain, you're like a fish swimming upstream. Nobody very few people like to live this lifestyle. Many people will look at you like you're crazy, or you've got some sort of growth coming out of your neck. And it's hard because most people will say, you don't need to do all that. There's so much modern technology rah rah rah you know why do you even try to live this type of home you know, homesteading lifestyle. So you are kind of going against the grain so you do need to step back from time to time it's important.

Kevin: 3:55

I agree. Yeah, it's easy because you can hear comments you see the Yeah, it's the whole convenience would be a good way of putting at the convenience rat wheel I don't know the wheel that the mouse or the rat you know, runs on to get food right. Anyway, so but it hasn't those conveniences haven't necessarily made things better. Health wise, because you're supposed to just you know, you get all your food ordered in eat out on the go in your car through the drive thru. I'm not saying I'm the thinnest person but you know, I'm we get our exercise and I think we get healthy food. There are many meals where you know, you say hey, you know, most of this is from our garden and it's it's a good feeling and it tastes better and, and you feel better. You feel better. Yeah. So yeah, you know, kudos to you when you assess those things. And when we both take a step back, right, because it's not easy. But it's good to talk about these things. And well, we can share, you know,

Lisa: 5:11

and when you're a husband and wife, like we are, when it's two of you that are homesteading, it's not kudos to one person. It's kudos to both because we're a team. And if you're a husband and wife, who are listening to this podcast, and you both are homesteading together, kudos to you, because you're a team as well. And it takes the team. How does that expression go? Goes it the teamwork makes the dream work. And it's true. You know, because if it's just one person pulling in one direction, and the other person is pulling in the other direction, you're never gonna get anywhere, you're just going to always be stuck spinning your wheels.

Kevin: 5:59

I agree. Yeah. So here's a fist bump to both of us.

Lisa: 6:02

There you go. Hey, go.

Kevin: 6:06

So as we talk about that this is not in any special order. But these are some of the things that we're going to be talking about this season. When we talk about burnout. Now, you mentioned this episode, we're going to concentrate on harvesting and preserving. How do you avoid the burnout with that? These are some of the other things we're going to be talking about, as far as you know, getting burned out on your homestead projects. How can that burn you out? Oh, Lord, how can you avoid it? Or how can you reroute? Right? Animals? Are there too many? For example? Here's a good one comparing yourself. That's interesting. Oh, it's gonna be an interesting discussion.

Lisa: 6:52

I can't wait for that episode. Yeah, yeah. I cannot wait for that episode.

Kevin: 6:59

Oh, this is the topic. The redo? One more more. Yeah. Or bump off before? Yeah, you know, it's, there's work involved in many of these things. But I do it once when you can do it three times.

Lisa: 7:19

Yeah. So third time's a charm. That's gonna

Kevin: 7:23

be a good topic, too. How about doing all the things? That seems to be a kind of a common phrase now?

Lisa: 7:31

It is. But it's, it's a true phrase. I mean, you know, that episode is really, for people who are new, it's more for those who are brand new to homesteading, when you're doing all of the things, because oftentimes new homesteaders just like anybody who's new in anything, you've got this. The zeal, this energy, this gusto for what you're just what you've just learned, and you're like, I got to do it all. I'm going to milk the cow, and I'm going to grow all of my food. And I'm going to raise all of my meat, and I'm going to recycle everything. And I'm going to do permaculture meal and I'm Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna cook from scratch, and oh, my goodness,

Kevin: 8:22

I read my own tortillas. I couldn't make my own ice cream.

Lisa: 8:25

Higher just thinking about all of the things and we're seasoned homestead.

Kevin: 8:31

Right. But you know, and it's not just a new somebody new to homesteading, but it makes me think of something that we've run into this. If you move to a new property, especially if that property is a different size, like for instance, a bigger size and what you're used to, and you have the ability to do more, kind of goes in that into that too. Because then you think, Oh, I'm just gonna do all this, but you don't. What is it? So, you know, one of the things about permaculture right, is you're supposed to kind of assess, yes, see where the shadows fall, where does water swell? Do you get you know, what's your microclimate? Because you can look at the weather for your city. But, you know, you'd be amazed if you get a little sensor out there, you know, you're Oh, and then wind right, you know, right. A lot of different things can affect so you're supposed to take some time, and I know we've fallen into that we do too much to start with and we you know, don't take that advice.

Lisa: 9:40

Exactly. We've done it, you know, everybody's gonna do it. We've done it. We preach not to do it, but we've done it ourselves. So, and yeah,

Kevin: 9:50

well, that's part of the experience. Yeah, learn from our mistakes. Don't be the adults that we are you guys do the right thing. And anyway. So you know, that's still that'll be interesting. But here's one about self care.

Lisa: 10:10

Yes,

Kevin: 10:12

you do all the things right? And you forget a whole, if I don't take care of me, right, then you're gonna be taking care of me or vice versa, right? And then how am I going to get to the 510 things that I have stacked up that I've halfway started, and you know,

Lisa: 10:32

and especially for the homemakers, those of those of us that are homemakers, and I'm saying those of us because I know I'm the homemaker. And, you know, you really have to sit back and take care of yourself. Because, you know, if, if mom can't, if mom can't go, if mom can't handle things, if mom is too tired, because she hasn't taken care of herself, then for sure, nothing's gonna get done. It's going to affect your children, it's going to affect your family. And it's going to affect the attitude of the family. So taking care of oneself, whether it be physically, all of the above physically, mentally, most importantly, spiritually. And for those of you that don't know, we are we are very close to our Bible. I'll put it that way. And for if you don't take care of yourself spiritually, I mean, it just everything that you do just seems to fall apart. Because you're not doing it for the right reasons.

Kevin: 11:52

Yeah, there's, there's principles that that help, like, you know, when it comes to not doing too many things, right? It's the expression is what it's a striving after the wind, right? So right, you know, those things can can really help. And that's something that can help you to be balanced when you tackle all the things or some of the things right,

Lisa: 12:15

direct your blows. That's a that's a Bible that's in the Bible, direct your blows. Yeah, be, you know, is a perfect principle, you know, to be strategic in what you're doing, instead of just trying to do it all at one time. Yeah,

Kevin: 12:31

that's good. And then I think this is the last one that I have jotted down here. So stepping away. And that's something that, you know, again, we talked about, right, we took some time, we said, we need to, just it's not that we we have animals, we have to feed them every day, we didn't just leave them to die. But it's now it comes down to things like all these projects and things like that. You know, there were some personal things going on. And that was one of the big reasons why we let's just step away for a little bit right.

Lisa: 13:08

And sometimes sometimes that can be stepping away from things like social media and sometimes that means actually physically getting off the homestead.

Kevin: 13:20

Oh, yeah, yeah, like recreation right with family like we've got kids and taking some time to really I mean, we have some wonderful views out here we can enjoy nature and so on but actually getting away getting away from the I don't necessarily want to say the monotony but the rhythm and you know, focusing something on your energy on something else. Having fun, right, so those that's important.

Lisa: 13:50

Yeah. So interesting topics that we are going to be taking a deep dive into as the season unfolds,

Kevin: 13:59

think we'll learn something

Lisa: 14:01

Well, yeah, we might learn

Kevin: 14:04

it we should. We might really listen to these episodes later and say, well, we follow what we say. But um, but yeah, I'm looking forward to at least we'll be some good topics to dive more into. For sure. So that being said, we always like to ask these questions of each other. What's new in your neck of the woods?

Lisa: 14:30

Um, harvesting has been I've started officially started the harvesting season. So harvesting and preserving which is what we're talking about today. But officially have started with that. Trying to get the pregnancy tests done on butter cup our go one of our goats. We believe all three Have our dose are pregnant. But butter cup that particular dose, she seems to be the plumpness of everybody

Kevin: 15:12

that was wondering how are you? We're gonna

Lisa: 15:15

I feel for her my heart goes out to her I'm like, Oh, poor thing. It's summer. You're pregnant who? Poor thing. So um, but yeah, she's she's getting pretty plump and that utter of hers is starting to look a little bit more full. So I mean, I'm 99.9% sure she's pregnant, but got my test in the mail the other day, so, gotta just get out there and get her tested and make sure so so I've been busy with that and busy with some things with the kids redoing re redecorating their rooms. So because our little men are growing up, so I've been just really have been consumed with that. And just, it's amazing just to see them just growing into these little people who have these opinions now.

Kevin: 16:20

They're people. Aliens.

Lisa: 16:23

Yes. Well, our oldest son used to look at look at his brother, like, who's the alien? And are we keeping him? But um, yeah, so just being kind of consumed with that. This is my last I guess you could say my last year of it. Well, I don't know how to word that. But in the next couple of months, our oldest will be officially in school, he will officially be homeschooled. So and I'm also starting to prep for homeschooling. And that's just, I'm a little nervous about that. To be honest with you. Um, but because he's already done kindergarten, he's like, anything and everything that they teach in kindergarten, he's surpass that, and then some, but so we'll be officially starting him in first grade. And it's just a little nerve wracking. But you know, it is what it is. They grow.

Kevin: 17:26

Right. And we're gonna be working on that together. Yeah, that'll be good. A lot. A lot of reasons why we want to homeschool versus in person, but that's gonna be exciting. Yeah.

Lisa: 17:38

And I'm glad we'll be doing it together because math. Yeah, but yeah, so it'll be good.

Kevin: 17:47

Yeah, without going into too much to it. I'm a computer guys so yeah, the maths stuff all Yeah, yeah. Because math because math are for you Brits out there because maths. I think they say

Lisa: 17:59

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Kevin: 19:36

um, wasn't one of our topics that we're going to talk about as far as burnout projects. Oh, yeah, I've got you know, there's a few things there's there was a few things on the list and started a few too many things. So what um, and then, you know, getting some new chicks and so on had to cut Uh, stop and you know, get some get some infrastructure going there. But anyway, I'm trying to get back to wrapping some projects up. So yeah, focus is hard sometimes. Before we took the two month break, I started working on a couple things, one major thing and then just time and just the circumstances of everything kind of got away. So I've got my shortlist that I need to finish your punch list punch list. Yes. But I'm saying short for a reason. Because sometimes you get a simplify, you know. So good, better indifferent. That's, that's where I'm at as far as that but enjoying using the shop, because that definitely is a time saver. So yeah, but I think that's my focus. So,

Lisa: 20:58

yeah. And you seem really happy in the shop.

Kevin: 21:02

I do it's all admit, it's a chance to miss the chance to rock out right rock out. Yeah, cuz, you know, I'll listen to music and so on. But, I mean, you know, you when you in, in the, in your in the garden, right? You know, you get to kind of be in your little zone and not really because No,

Lisa: 21:20

no, no, no, I've got I've got my people, but you you got, I've got my people, my people come in. If you watch our YouTube channel, you'll see my people always come in my little people, they always come in and demand food. So they haven't discovered the cucumbers yet.

Kevin: 21:41

No, but although they're starting to grab their little stub stools and drag them up to the fridge now and read the fruit bin. It's supposed to be in the stacks in the pantry, because it's apparently the snack room. Yeah, but what can you do? I mean, this is where we're at.

Lisa: 22:03

And I love it.

Kevin: 22:03

I wouldn't have it. I know. I know. I think we learn as time goes on to just take a deep breath and laugh. Right?

Lisa: 22:12

Yeah, and just let it go. Anyway, so without further ado, I guess we better get into topic because this is what people want to hear. Not as ranting and raving about our kids. Yeah, it's time. So today's topic, we are going to be discussing burnout and how to avoid burnout when it comes to the harvesting and preserving time of the year. For those of you who are in the northern hemisphere, this is the month of June. And you know we are hitting the summer months. For my for our Australian and southern hemisphere listeners. I do know you all are getting into winter. So you'll be applying hopefully applying some of these ideas later in the year. But for those of us that were summer is we're just starting to get those harvest of probably beans, carrots, cabbage, all of your brassicas all your cooler weather crops are now starting to come in if they haven't already, and you're starting to turn over your garden into the summer gardens where you're getting your squashes your corn your tomatoes, and you know different fruits and so forth and so on. This is probably for the homesteader who is an avid gardener, June and July can be really busy months because you're in the process of changing seasons. So you are starting to bring in harvest in earnest. And it can be very overwhelming. And it doesn't have to be overwhelming. And that's that's really what we want to talk to you what I wanted to talk to you about. And basically it starts with your mentality. One of the things that I would encourage a person in doing to avoid burnout is your garden. Think about how your garden grows, your garden grows gradually. It doesn't just all of the sudden, boom there's your garden. With the exception of zucchini. I don't know what it is about zucchini, you can go out there one day, and there's nothing and then the next day, there's like 20 of them, and they're all big. But I digress. For the most half your, your plants that are in your garden grow slowly. They don't grow overnight. So that's your, that's your indicator. That's what the natural world, that's what God's world is telling you. And what that translates into is you don't have to harvest everything at one time, you can harvest slowly. So if that means that you have to break it up every day for, let's say, you say, You know what, for the next two weeks, I'm going to be harvesting all of my rasikas. And I'm going to be doing that for 30 minutes, every day from picking to processing every single day. Well, that's a good way to avoid burnout. Why? Because you're doing it slowly. You're doing it progressively, you're not just doing it all at one time. I've seen homesteaders where they're like up until two o'clock, at night or in the middle of the night or morning, if you want to call it that, you know, processing tomatoes. I mean, come on two o'clock in the morning, don't do that to yourself, you will get burnt out, you'll get tired. If not just physically but mentally tired, you're and then you're exhausting your family. It's better to take little batches, and process those things than it is to take a huge batch and try to process it and eat up all this time doing it. My second tip is I actually let me go backwards back to that first tip, because that actually requires planning. And it starts with how you plant in your garden. So it requires some upfront thinking. Think about how you want to slowly harvest your crops. So you don't want to plant all of your broccoli at one time. Plant some broccoli, space it out. You know, when you're transplanting your broccolis, for example, transplant them out a little bit here, wait a week, transplant some more. Plant some more broccoli seeds, I'm just using broccoli as an example. Space them out when you're planting your seeds. space it out in a two week interval. I say two weeks because that gives you time to have a breath of fresh air in between all of the harvesting so that way, you're not killing yourself trying to harvest everything at one time. Now moving on to point number two, getting into harvesting. Look for the easiest ways to harvest. Let's take for example, tomatoes. One of the easiest things I know for myself what I do if I have a bumper crop of tomatoes, because let's say I didn't plan it out correctly. I know that's going to happen this year because all of my tomatoes got planted at the same time. And a couple of them have died in the plant starts that I did have to purchase are pretty much at the same age as my existing tomatoes. The ones that I planted from seeds, so I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get a bumper crop it where it's all going to come in at one time. That is not what I was looking to do. So what I'm going to do with my tomato harvest this year is I'm going to apply point number two and that is looking for the easiest way to process that harvest. What's the path of least resistance? When this happens to me the last time this happened this was like five years ago when this happened. What I did is I took my tomatoes and I literally put them in the freezer. I put them in the freezer set them aside and it wasn't until months down the road that I processed those tomatoes when I I was ready to process those tomatoes. So it was the path of least resistance. For me, it was the path of least work. So don't be afraid to do things like that to take to take a bumper crop like that and say, You know what, I can't deal with you right now, into the freezer, you go. Or maybe the path of least resistance for you, is to take your bumper crop of whatever that thing is. And let's just say for example, you dehydrate it, I'm just going to cut you up and put your my dehydrator in a way you go, well, then you know, what, if that's the easiest thing for you to do the quickest thing for you to do, then do it. I know for me, sometimes I will have to different herbs that will like for example, my terragon, I am on my second or third harvest this year of terror, Oregon. And I just simply the path of least resistance is for me, because I live in a dry, arid climate, I just tie it up and hang it to dry in a cool dark place. That's all that I do. So garlic is the same thing, pull it up out of the ground, tie it up, let it air dry, let it cure. And when I am ready to deal with it, meaning, you know, all I what I like to do with my garlic is I like to cut the tops off, and the bottom, the bottom roots off, and then just leave them like that. When I'm ready to deal with my garlic, then I will. So you need to be the person who's in control of your harvest and of processing your harvest, your harvest should not be in control of you. Because once it starts taking control of you, that's where you are going to start experiencing burnout.

Kevin: 32:19

And actually, just to cut in for a second. I think that's a good principle in any of these topics that we talked about related to burnout, right? Don't let insert thing here, control you. So you need to, you know, as much as you can get ahead of it, right? Don't let it control you. And if you realize, hey, something's going on here. I'm tired, I'm edgy. So then that's when you stop and you say, what do I need to correct here?

Lisa: 32:50

Right? Something's wrong. Yeah, something's not balanced. So by staying in control, that is really what's going to help. And really try to whittle your harvest your harvesting down to small harvest. There is a challenge that goes on. It's a hashtag challenge that goes on every just about every year. And that was put on by three rivers homestead. And it's called the every bit every little bit counts challenge. And I love the principle behind it because it teaches you to do little bits at a time, a little bit, adds up because especially as a home homemaker, wife, homesteader all of you know all the titles that go with you in responsibilities, just being able to do just a little bit here and there is way more worth your time and effort than doing this whole big massive batch of whatever it is. The third tip that I would say for any anybody when it comes to harvesting and processing your harvest, know how to preserve to temporarily preserve a harvest until you can deal with it. It kind of goes with point number two, but it's a little bit different in that you need to self educate yourself. You need to self educate sorry, on how to temporarily preserve something so that you can deal with it later on. So or temporarily preserve something so that you can continue adding on so that it becomes this big thing I just recently did a YouTube video where I talked about this a little bit and showed and demonstrated it with peas. I had a situation in my garden where I did not think that peas were going to make it and all of the sudden, I mean, just like, all of a sudden, they just shot up and started producing left and right. So every, every other day, I go out into the garden, and I do my watering, and I do harvest, and I harvest my peas. And what I what I showed on the YouTube video was, you know, different days that I had harvested the peas at different times, or different days, and I just preserved them temporarily in the refrigerator in a Ziploc bag. And, and I kept doing that until I had a big harvest. And then from there, I took those peas deveined them, whatever I had to do, and now they're in the freezer. And it was the easiest thing for me to do it was there was no stress involved in it whatsoever. So that is something you know, learn how to at least temporarily keep those things in storage until you can deal with them. And the fourth and final tip that I have for anybody when it comes to avoiding burnout when it comes to harvesting, and preserving is do not over plant. Sometimes we as homesteaders we can get caught up in the especially as should say as gardeners, we can get caught up in the Oh yeah, I need 50 tomato plants so that I can you know, process enough tomatoes for you know, pizza sauce, tomato sauce, marinara sauce, you know, all the things. You don't need 50 tomato plants? Well, I don't know, maybe you do. Maybe you have a family of 12 I don't know

Kevin: 37:18

you start with what do we actually eat? But exactly

Lisa: 37:21

what anything you start with what do you actually need, because sometimes all you may only need five tomato plants. And you just need those five tomato plants to produce really good amounts of food. You may not need 50 of them. Your family if your families like ours, where you have young people whose tastes change. I've seen our kids go from in one meal. I like this Oh, I like this and then two seconds later, I don't like

Kevin: 37:59

you don't really want

Lisa: 38:01

yeah, which is really I don't want it anymore. But you know, I mean, people's taste, taste buds change especially when they're young and developing. So you may think oh, I need to plant a whole bunch of tomatoes. And maybe that particular season your kids don't like it for whatever reason well and then

Kevin: 38:21

this kid right I love peppers. And there was a time when we're growing a lot of different types of peppers like the Caribbean. The Caribbean. Yeah. Caribbean yeah tomato tomahto but I love Russia yeah and i I'll eat the hot ones but I don't like the pain I want flavor with the heat but I think for me what I learned is we were freezing them but I wasn't eating them because I think it's me that eat some more. I like him fresh more than I do frozen so I think we realize we need this kind of scale back how many peppers

Lisa: 39:04

I didn't freeze a whole lot of them

Kevin: 39:06

I can most you can some Yeah, but I think we can go with asthma Kenny so that's another thing right? I think we just wait you know we planted all these things last year but did we go through them so you make make an adjustment there right

Lisa: 39:23

and that's the thing you you really need to look at your pantry and say this is what I need. This is what the family didn't eat. Peppers are a good example. Last year I grew up boatload of peppers. I was so sick and tired of peppers by the end of the season I I was wishing those plants death

Kevin: 39:43

and you know what's gonna happen to die it's gonna happen before next season. I'm gonna say You know what, I want more peppers. What's going on?

Lisa: 39:50

Too bad. But no, um, you know, but last year I planted so many peppers and we have we still have plenty of peppers.

Kevin: 40:02

Well, and we've done things and you've dehydrated them. And yeah, yeah,

Lisa: 40:06

yeah, for sure if dehydrated them make made spices with them, you know, and so forth. But my point is, is that, you know, I'm not growing as many peppers this year, I still have my Caribbean, I say Caribbean use a Caribbean, but but I still have my Caribbean peppers in ground. Because I think that's a family favorite. But not as many I think I only have three, three of those plants in ground right now. But, and that's it. I mean, I have like cayenne peppers and some bell peppers. But that's, that's all. I mean, I think I have a total of just counting off the top of my head. Yeah, maybe about 10 pepper plants in that whole entire garden. And that's it. Last year, I had, I don't even know how many pepper plants I had. It was it was a lot. But it was with intention. I intentionally did that, because I wanted a lot of peppers. But this year, nope, not interested. And actually, I actually have less than that. I don't have 10 pepper plants actually come to think of it, because three of those have died. This is the year of the bean. For me, I've got a lot of beans, and a lot of eggplant and a lot of okra, that is what I'm focused on. And I'm also focused on fruit. Because yeah, we have people with opinions in this house right now. But that's the point is that you want to plant what you know, your family's going to eat. And you want to be mindful of what your family likes, what they don't like, and don't over plant. If you plant too much, then you're just gonna get you're gonna get burnt out unless you do it like I did last year with intention. So that didn't have to be worried about it this year. And that's worked out beautifully. Because I don't have to worry about peppers this year. It's not high on my priority list, thankfully, but but those are pretty much my tips and tricks for avoiding burnout on the harvesting. And you know, the processing of your of your harvest. Just really be mindful of what you're doing. And try to just have a little bit goes a long way and don't over plant and plan accordingly.

Kevin: 43:01

Okay, cool. Well, those are some really good tips. And I think this was a good first part of our discussion this season on burnout. So stick around with us next episode, we're going to be hitting the topic doing all the things. Yes. Looking forward to that. So and all the rest of them too. So for sure, yeah. So big thumbs up, to reassess and to kind of get through some of these things, thinking about them because it helps us but hopefully it helps all of you out there too. We know that we get comments from time to time and you know, feel free to hit up mainly Lisa, you kind of check on the social media and all that kind of stuff, right all the ways and if you look in the show notes, there's ways to contact Lisa So we appreciate that very much. If you have any questions to that might help to we might be able to answer some questions and some episodes as well. So we thank you very much for your support for listening for sticking around with us. And as always, from all of us here on our homestead, stay safe out there.

Lisa: 44:22

And happy homesteading