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The Miracle Movement: Amanda Ferrin's Miracle Story
Listen in on our third conversation with Amanda Ferrin, my favorite ambassador of hope and a walking miracle. In this episode she shares her journey of starting her "Miracle Story" movement, writing a book and launching her new podcast. Amanda speaks to the very heart of what it means to live a legacy that defies expectations.
In discussing Amanda's life, we're reminded that miracles are part of our everyday existence, affirming God's presence and the healing that awaits us, whether on earth or in heaven.
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Amanda's Miracle Movement: Watch Amanda's video message about herMiracle Movement walking team:
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Learn more--Amanda's message about her Miracle Movement:
Amanda Ferrin is a walking miracle. She is living life with a terminal illness and wakes up everyday thankful that she is still alive when her Doctor's have told her time and time again, she shouldn’t be. One complication from her “one in 10 million” case of scleroderma is that she has broken 25 bones in the last few years. She’s been told countless times she would never walk again… so quite literally every step IS a gift. Every mile is a miracle.
At the beginning of 2024, Amanda figured out how many steps it would take to walk across the country and made it her goal to do so in a year. A year doctors say she shouldn’t be alive to see. She’s been amazed by the people who have come alongside to help her share my message of hope. In coming together to get her miracle story out into the world, she has seen the power of what working together can accomplish is something much bigger than any one person could on their own. From that, an idea was born!
We are inviting everyone to start walking toward a miracle. For Amanda, her current goal is releasing her book, that never should have been written, and believing she will be alive to see it!
You might have your own miracle you’re believing for, or perhaps you are inspired to join together a team with a mission that’s bigger than you, to bring a message of hope that’s greater than anyone one person could share.
We believe in a month we could collectively walk the miles Amanda dreamed to do in a year. Who knows, maybe with enough people, we can walk around the world! Because it isn’t just about a walk.
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I'd like to welcome Amanda Farron to the Pivotal People podcast for the third time. This is so exciting. It's our third year. If you have met Amanda on the podcast before, you'll be thrilled to hear from her again. If you haven't, let me tell you about her. Amanda is a hope enthusiast. This is her vocation. She's actually a writer. She's a speaker. She is an author. She has her first book is. She's actually a writer. She's a speaker. She is an author. She has her first book is coming out May 15th. We're going to talk about that. She just received an award from the organization Women of Impact in Los Angeles. She was recognized as a woman of impact and you'll understand why after you've talked to her.
Speaker 1:She has inspired me over the almost three years that I've known you, amanda. When I met Amanda almost three years ago, she has a very difficult illness and she had been told by her doctors that she didn't have a very long time to live, and when I met her, she had already outlived their prediction. Amanda's Instagram says they told me I would die, but I chose to live, and so at that point Amanda decided I'm going to let her tell you about it she just decided to live a life that was extremely intentional and to take advantage of every day that she had, because she didn't know how many days she had. And we are here now, almost three years later, and I have had a front row seat to Amanda's hope-filled life, and what she has shown all of us is how we can all live every day too.
Speaker 1:I have friends who've never met Amanda, who follow Amanda on Instagram, and we are all so uplifted by her story. She says she has long post. I would say she is a beautiful essayist and you should follow her on social media because she writes so beautifully and eloquently. And I'm going to stop talking because Amanda's here. Amanda welcome, thanks so much for joining us again. It's great to see you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, it's so great to see you. I just I feel so blessed to think back over the journey of the last three years that we've been on, and I just celebrated a birthday last week and I had this special crown made that said not dead yet on the top of it, which is a little bit irreverent. But if you spend much time around me, you'll know that I've heard every doctor's bad report and I've chosen to live in spite of it, and so I say it is true, in fact I do have a terminal diagnosis, but I don't have a hopeless prognosis. I have been given the opportunity to live every day for the gift that it is, and I think back over the thousand plus days that have been unpromised and I can say I have appreciated most every sunset and I have walked more miles than I can count, even though I've been told after. In the span of the three and a half years since I was first told that I would die, I've broken 25 bones, and exciting ones, like both hips, both femurs, both knees, a humerus you know, you name it. But in the midst of that I've been told time after time well, this is it, or you won't walk again. Surely you won't recover from this. And even about a year and a half ago, when I broke my pelvis and they wanted to, insurance scored my life. Essentially, when they take account of your conditions and the recovery time that is expected, insurance scored my life that the only thing that they would release me to was hospice, because the money to put me into rehab or anything else wasn't worth it to them. And so the day that they wanted to transfer me over, after explaining to me that I'd be sharing a room with an 87-year-old person on oxygen and all the things not that there's anything wrong with that, but I at the time was 34 and wasn't ready for that transition of life so I signed out to the doctors in California, hopped in my well, I didn't hop because I couldn't move, but I got into my car and I drove to Colorado and I spent the next couple of months recovering.
Speaker 2:And I say all of that because, amidst all of the challenges and all the you can't make it up stories of the last couple, two, three years of my life, what I have found is that we can look at circumstances and be paralyzed by them, and there have been many times over the past three and a half plus years that I have looked at my future and thought, if it's not guaranteed, then I have to just live in the moment. And I think for a lot of the time that you've known me, stephanie, I've talked about like, oh, I'd love to do, you know, podcasts, I'd love to write a book, I'd love to do all these things. And then the next bone breaks or the next infection comes and it becomes much more about survival mode and, trust me, I've learned how to survive really well. I think any doctor would say and they often do that they have no idea why I'm still around.
Speaker 2:But just recently, even in the past few months, I've really tried to shift my focus from a future that's uncertain to building a legacy that will outlast, whether I have a day left or a thousand more days left, and so a lot of what I want to encourage people with now and that's, I think, the beauty of living each day and all the days is that what I thought was one story about a broken bone is really not the story.
Speaker 2:It's a chapter in the story. And so now, over the past weeks and months and years, I've built story, chapter after chapter after chapter, into what is now not just a miracle moment or a really great day, but now I have a miracle story and that's my story to tell. And if you had asked me three and a half years ago what a miracle would look like, I wouldn't necessarily have said I think I'm going to have this miraculous healing. I was just preparing to live every day and I wasn't looking for the miracle. But now I get to step back and say, by living every single day, I have lived the miracle, I have lived my miracle story, and so I get to just add to it and for however many days I have left, that's the gift that I have been given and I hope, by sharing that hope, I can give that gift to others.
Speaker 1:And you do. I'm sitting here I wouldn't dare interrupt Amanda, because these are words that I just hang on to, because this is how we are all called to live. We're either worrying about the past or we're worrying about the future, and we're missing the moment. I mean, everything you read is why are we doing that? God says? You know, I am with you. I'm with you right now, and we have the hope of heaven for sure, but why are we here? I don't know why we're here, but we know. I believe there's a reason. We're each here and we get to discover it each day. And nearly three years after meeting you, we're having this conversation. You're talking about your miracle story.
Speaker 1:Now, when I first met you, I'll never forget something you said, which was that the doctors explained to Amanda you know, if someone says you're likely to die soon, you kind of want to know what that looks like. You know what does that mean. And the doctor told you well, most likely your heart will stop while you're asleep, so you'll die in your sleep. So Amanda said to me every morning when I wake up. I woke up yeah, it's another day. God gave me another day, and I read something similar to that in a book that I read, by a woman who was a cancer survivor and she said, after she had survived cancer, she said every day, when she opened her eyes, she said, wow, I have another day.
Speaker 1:It's about being grateful, not just gratitude. Gratitude is I'm thankful for this very specific thing. Gratefulness is just being grateful, not just gratitude. Gratitude is I'm thankful for this very specific thing. Gratefulness is just being grateful because we opened up our eyes in the morning. I love that.
Speaker 1:And after you said that, you know what I try to do, amanda. When I open my eyes in the morning, I look around my bedroom and I try to say God, thank you for another day, just that, you know. Do we deserve that? No, but obviously we're here. He must care about me being here and impacting someone or something. I don't know what the purpose is, but let me keep my eyes open. You said look up, look up, look past your circumstances. You know. So when I'm sitting here and I, like I said to you, I've had the privilege of a front row seat to your life for the past nearly three years, I've learned so much. She is kind of sugarcoating it, because I do know Amanda has gone through incredibly hard times over, and over and over again. Amanda, how often do you go to the hospital for a transfusion?
Speaker 2:Usually about two times a week and generally, I'm admitted. Actually I got out this morning. It was just a quick overnight stay, as I like to call them, in my special room in the back of the Hogue Hospital.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and she looks beautiful, by the way. So you have simply accepted that that is your life? I haven't really and I've had a lot of conversations with Amanda. I don't hear self-pity. I don't hear self-pity. I haven't heard self-pity. I hear this hope and this gratitude, although, come on, you'll be honest and say it's a hard day, it's a hard week, you experience a lot of pain. But what do you say when people say you know, amanda, you've had, you say, nearly 1,000 sunsets.
Speaker 2:I love it, I love to look at it and I love that you're tying this in. Anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so go from there. I mean, you're talking about the whole idea of your book. Now, when I first met Amanda at a speaker's workshop, I think and that's you're also talking about writing books and Amanda didn't feel she had enough time to write a book.
Speaker 2:I really wanted to meet Bob Goff yeah so did I.
Speaker 1:We were just faking it. We were really just Bob Goff fans, acting like we were really interested in some big career because he was teaching the class. I don't know why I was there, but I've had this great friendship with Amanda ever since, so I think I know why I was there. But you walked away and you thought you have a great story. How in the world would you have enough time to share it? And now here we are. You have a podcast, you have a book coming out, you have won an award, you have a program called it's a Miracle. I love it with the stickers. So I'm going to be quiet and I want you to walk us through all the cool ways to get inspiration and hope from Amanda.
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, thank you, and I do joke that I thought I was going to meet Bob Goff at that retreat, but I think I was really going to meet Stephanie Nelson and not be like God that we never know.
Speaker 2:You know, but you I just want to say again well, she's my mentor, she's my friend, she's this, she's that, but you truly, there are no words for the way that you so into people, that you are like the little helium inside balloons, lifting people's dreams, and I think it's amazing. I look back and you were there for a speaker's workshop, but same thing. You went home and did all the things way faster than I did, but you wrote an incredible book and started redoubling down on this inspiration that you had been to women years back to women. You know, years back, and now I just feel like you are holding this mirror up to people of what they can see in themselves by sharing your story, and really what you're reflecting is not just your story but God in your story and God directing your story, and so it has been. The joy of, one of the greatest joys of my last three years has been knowing you.
Speaker 1:So I just she makes me weep. But, amanda, thank you so much for that. But see, that's the beauty of friendship is like Amanda and I've never even lived in the same city. Now we've been together, we've gotten together a few times, but I I came back from you know, I've been to a of Bob Goff workshops and I've had most of the people I met on Bob Goff workshops, on this podcast, and it's always so exciting when I get to read someone's book and you really get to know them and then you have a conversation and people are so passionate about what they're doing. And I finished a podcast last week and I came down to the kitchen. I always tell my husband all about it afterwards and Dave looked at me and he said honey, you have found your people. And I said you know what I say everyone should go to Bob Goff Workshop because you're going to meet some really neat people there in addition to Bob.
Speaker 1:But one of the things I also say, which I say to everyone, is you should write your book. Well, you don't have to sell this, I mean, but everyone should write their story, write their book, because we all have life lessons and we all have people in our life who we love, who we would like to have those lessons in writing after we're gone, like our children. If you don't have children maybe your siblings or friends but if you write your story, then if you read someone else's story now you really know who they are Right. And so that's the beauty to me of this podcast.
Speaker 1:I've talked to 75 people. Most of them have written books. They have. They let me into their heart. I have learned their story, but I've also learned their lessons. And then you get to talk to them. I feel like the world would be a better place if everyone wrote a book and if we all read each other's books. Then we would all understand each other and we wouldn't be so crazy, I think. But I tell everyone write your book. I want to read your book.
Speaker 2:Well, isn't there that quote that is once you know somebody's story, it's impossible not to love them, or something like that Maybe, but I think that, whether that's exactly the quote or not, I think that that's so true, that's what you know like. That's so speaks to what you're saying of once you know the why behind the person, they become a person. You know we in our world. It's so easy, whether it's just their're a face on social media, or they're their opinion or anything, their color, they're anything. Once you know their story, they become a soul. They become this life that God has breathed into and that has given them steps to walk out. And how do you not love someone in that?
Speaker 1:How do you not have compassion for each other when you know the hard stuff? I say, okay, social media, we might present a curated story. Or to the world, we might present a curated story. It's kind of the backstory. Who are you gonna let in to know your backstory? And if we could gradually let each other know each other's backstory? Yeah, it's hard to dislike someone when you can have compassion for their humanity. Right, we're all just human. Our pastor said something last Sunday that really struck me and he was talking about unity. And he said you know, we may not see eye to eye, but we can all stand shoulder to shoulder and I think that's what you're talking about. If, how can you not like someone if you know their story, if you know their backstory? So I got off on a tangent, amanda, because I want to get back to your story.
Speaker 2:My story. I loved when you talked about how I do share the hard and the difficult, because I think in everything that I am, people often say, oh, I just admire your vulnerability and you're so authentic and, I don't know, maybe that's why I write so many words or I say so many things is, I just don't know how not to be. I just just like I don't share everything in every context, but I do talk about the difficult because I think that it's so important to me to talk about the difficult in order to remind people that, yeah, we can have a really terrible day. And then, you know, yesterday there was some some challenging aspects of the day and I was actually recording a voice memo and I was walking along this path that I walk in Laguna Beach probably multiple times a week, seeing the sunsets that I talk about all the time, and all of a sudden, on my sunset walk, I cut off my voicemicemail or voice memo because I said, oh, my goodness, there are more dolphins than I can even. And I looked out and a hundred not even a hundred feet, like maybe 50 feet from the waterline, there was just dolphins and dolphins. I'm doing the little motion that nobody can see as I talk on a podcast, but it was incredible and I was thinking not only did I get to see another sunset, but this is a sunset unlike any other sunset. And even though there were challenges today that were unlike any challenges I've had, and even as you were talking and someone today said to me, you're not a black and white thinker. And she said, I think that's what I appreciate. Is you really see in the gray and all that kind of stuff? And I said no, no, it just hit me. I can see the hard and the difficult, and yet I can see the blessings, and when they come together, hello, that's exactly like a sunset. It's when the light of the day and the dark meet and they provide color. I don't see the world as when our black and white thinking come together and it creates gray. I see when our light and our dark come together and we have a beautiful sunset, we have a blessing, and that's that's what I'm chasing. Every day is chasing the blessing, chasing that togetherness. And so, as I share about my miracles, I usually do it and talk about how every day is another sunset, it's another gift, and every moment that we get to cherish that is a miracle moment that we get to cherish. That is a miracle, and so I do look forward to just sharing more of that through.
Speaker 2:I am launching a podcast and that's something again I've talked about and it's going to be basically talking about miracles, and I know that a lot of us have different definitions of what a miracle is, and in the actual definition of a miracle, it's a unique circumstance that we couldn't create or manufacture is one of my favorite definitions, and when you put it in the context of faith, which I know that we both come, that's very important to us and it guides our life. And so when I look at it from that standpoint, it's the things that we couldn't create or the unique circumstances given to us by our creator, by God, and in that sense, every day is a miracle. And so, rather than look for that one miraculous moment, that one healing, and hold our hope on a healing, I know that my healing, personally, I believe is guaranteed in heaven. I may see it here on earth, or I may experience levels of it here on earth, but I'm not living for my promise here on earth, I'm living for my hope of heaven, and so in the midst of it, I just get to see God work.
Speaker 2:You know, my pastor was talking several months ago about how miracles are for earth. There won't be miracles in heaven. The work is finished in heaven. And so if we're going to live for miracles, if we're going to see miracles, we need to be here because we still have that work to do. We still have that gift of God to experience. We still have things to pray for. We still have that gift of God to experience. We still have things to pray for, and so I believe that that's our gift to have and it's our blessing to walk in.
Speaker 1:Did you hear that? I hope you're going to listen to this podcast twice, because you absolutely cannot. As I'm sitting here, I'm thinking God, can I just remember what Amanda is saying every day? Can I just approach each day with this whole thing, Like just live today and just be so thankful? And when our head is in today, like call it mindfulness. We see more. You saw those dolphins because you were paying attention. You noticed the sunset.
Speaker 1:So many things at least I'll speak for myself I don't even notice because I'm so in my head worrying about something or planning something or trying to figure something out, Instead of saying stop the noise, just look around. And, generally speaking, when I say, stop the noise and look around, there is something nice that happens, yeah, you know, there is something nice that happens and it's like wow, I would have missed that. So your podcast is going to be. Is it going to be every week? Is it going to be? And are you interviewing people? Are you just sharing stories or have you figured out the format, and how long is it going to be? I'm a podcaster. I want to know all these things.
Speaker 2:All the above. So one of the things that I am a person that wants to have everything in a nice pretty package before I move forward. And I have been blessed with a group of people recently that have kind of rallied around me. They've named themselves either it's a Miracle Minions or Amanda's Task Force, but basically they're people that I've never met but have been inspired by my story. And it's this amazing group that gets on Zoom and there are people that have heard me on different coaching calls or have heard my podcast, and this gal that we started meeting three weeks ago and she had my trailer up last week.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's people that are saying I hear you talking about it, but know that I do have limitations. I don't have limitations on hope but, like, sometimes my brain doesn't work so well and you know there's just technology is a struggle for me, and so it's basically taking down the barriers that have really kept me from getting my story out. Like, ok, I have this book and it's written, and back in January our church was doing a 21-day fast to kind of kick off the year and because of some of my medical complications, I'm not able to fast food or whatever. I'm hardly able to eat, so it wouldn't really make sense for me to fast. And so I was standing in a church and thinking through and just kind of feeling like, oh, I can't participate, I feel bad, whatever. Through and just kind of feeling like, oh, I can't participate, I feel bad, whatever. And our church had also kicked off, in addition to a 21 day fast for the month of January, they were inviting the diehard people to do a 31 day shred and read the Bible in 31 days. And so we were already. They were already in the midst of that and I was like, oh, I'm not going to do that, I just feel like that's so religious and whatever. And you know like give every excuse for why that wasn't applicable to me.
Speaker 2:And I felt like, standing at church that weekend to the new year, when I hadn't started anything and we're going into this fast, and I was just unsure. I felt like the Lord told me that I was going to read the Bible in 21 days and I was also going to finish my book by the end of it. And wouldn't you know that in 20 days I had read the Bible cover to cover and finished my book, and I was like Jesus makes the impossible possible kind of moments. So it just kind of sat there for a month and I was like, okay, well, I did it.
Speaker 2:And in talking on a coaching call I kind of brought that up and I was talking about how I had broken my humerus and I was never supposed to really be able to move it, and I had gotten to the point within a month when they were going to decide if they needed to do surgery to repair it or not. Within a month, when they were going to decide if they needed to do surgery to repair it or not, I actually walked into the office and said, well, not only can I move it, but I started my own physical therapy regimen two days after I broke it and I can actually do a side plank for the first time in my life, which I'm not a yogi and I can't do anything with strength, except now I can yogi and I can't do anything with strength, except now I can. I knew that.
Speaker 2:I always have this belief that I can be limited, I can listen to doctors, but if I do, who is that serving? You know, it's going to make me miserable, it's going to limit me, and so instead I get to be inspired by the moments that they say you can't do it and I get to be my, dig my heels in. You know, when I was five years old and they called it oh, isn't she strong willed. Now it's will of steel, and I will defy your odds. I will, through God's help, see him make the impossible possible.
Speaker 1:People. Okay, so I've watched this, so I'm old enough to be Amanda's mother, and there have been many times where Amanda's like, texted me or called me and said I'm thinking of doing this, what do you think? And I'm like no way, you can't do that. Oh, my gosh, amanda, no, we want to put you in bubble wrap and don't go anywhere. You can't, you can't. And then you know she's sweet and she's polite. Okay, I don't say it like that, but that's how I feel. And I'm like well, amanda, and next thing, you know, I'm watching videos on Instagram of Amanda doing amazing, wonderful things. And guess what? Everything was fine, nothing was worse, nothing was worse.
Speaker 1:I have watched, oh, let's see that whole thing. I just described to you that whole little cycle. I'm going to say, 20 times in the time I've known Amanda, how many things have we all missed because we said it was either too scary or too dangerous, or too expensive or too inconvenient or whatever. What have we missed? If the woman with a broken bone can do it, folks, I think we can probably be a little more adventurous, because there's something on the other side of that. I'm not sure what it is, so I was telling Amanda recently I just volunteered to do something next summer. That is so outside my comfort zone. But because I recognized it was outside of my comfort zone, I just decided to do it.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna do it.
Speaker 1:And you know what. I'm sure it'll be great. But that doesn't mean I'm not a little bit nervous, I'm not a little bit scared, I. I was pretty. I'll be honest. I was pretty nervous flying across the country to go to some Bob Goff workshop. I didn't know a single person there. I never met Bob Goff. It was across the country. There might have been 500 people there. I had no idea there were 25 people and Amanda was one of them. So you just never know. So, amanda, you inspire bravery. You inspire incredible bravery. If we could all be take just a little bit of that, I think it would be amazing. God can do the impossible. Well, at least you're letting him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what the book is about. It's all those miracle stories. It's all the times that I texted you and I'm like I don't really know how this is all going to happen. Or you know, they say a hyperbaric chamber is what I need to save my life and it would be really helpful if I didn't have to fly across the country for treatments. Okay, let's watch a whole community help me get a chamber. And so now, every morning when I wake up I didn't say this three years ago because I had not lived this part of my story, but now, every morning when I wake up, not only is it a miracle that I wake up, but every morning I wake up in a hyperbaric chamber. That is a miracle chamber. That's not only saved my life, but all the people that gave to it and the doctor from Florida that brought it across the country, and all of those miracle stories are now part of my story. And I wake up and I can't help but know that miracles happen, because I'm waking up in one.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that. Well, amanda, thank you so much for giving us like an update on. This is one chapter in the whole story. I want to make sure everyone knows that your podcast starts April 1st. We're going to look for your book May 15th. We'll be talking about that when it comes out, and April 15th something else is coming up. You were talking about leave us with that. What's happening April 15th?
Speaker 2:So at the beginning of 2024, I decided that I was going to because I walk and walk and walk and every step is a miracle, because they told me I would never walk again, and so I calculated the number of steps that it would take to walk across the country. Now I can't actually walk across the country because I don't like going anywhere that's below 60 degrees, so there's a lot of states that are off the table, so instead I'm just walking the amount of miles in a year that it would take to walk across the country. And through the process of this group of people coming together to help me get my message out, I really saw the power in putting our dreams and our belief in miracles together and so leading up to releasing this book, but, even more so than that, creating this idea, and I have a sticker project that talks about miracles. My podcast talks about miracles, and what I really want people to walk away from is that their life is a miracle story, and so, from April 15th to May 15th, I'm inviting everyone to start walking towards a miracle.
Speaker 2:For me, it's at the end of it is the miracle book that never should have come out, but for you, there might be something else that you're believing for, or maybe, just maybe, walking along the way, you'll come across a miracle story. Or you, in the midst of a walk, can tell someone if you're walking and you're wearing I have shirts for sale that say walking miracle and that have the it's a Miracle message on it, and maybe someone, like your Hope Sweatshirt, will see a shirt that says well, what does Walking Miracle mean? And you can say I'm a walking miracle and I'm walking towards a miracle, and so I hope by the end of May 15th we will collectively have walked enough miles to walk across the country. Hey, god can do crazy things. Maybe we'll walk enough miles to walk across the world, but I believe this message of hope can carry across the country, it can carry across the world and we can all be bringers of our miracle story and change the world.
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh, I love that I'm getting a shirt and I love to walk, so I have to do the math on how many miles I can contribute in this month. Okay, and I'm a little bit obsessive. So, amanda, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I'm getting my friends in on this, because I love to walk with friends. So good, we're going to get and, okay, and we're all going to be wearing this t-shirts. How much fun to look at this. This woman makes everything fun. Amanda, thank you so much. Thank you for coming on the podcast, thank you for being my friend and thank you for sharing your story with everyone. I'm so excited to see what happens with your podcast, with your book and with this very fun walking toward a miracle project and seeing what's next.
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