Unearthing Hidden Marvels: Lesser-Known Cities and Essential Travel Tips

Can you imagine discovering cities that are just as awe-inspiring as Rome and Venice but without the throngs of tourists? Join us on this episode as we uncover hidden travel gems around the world that deserve a spot on your bucket list. From the spotless streets of Vancouver, Canada, to the cultural richness of Matera, Italy, we share our firsthand experiences and personal stories that will make you rethink your next vacation destination. Jay’s unique connection to Italy through his wife adds a heartfelt touch to our conversation about regional dialects and the diverse accents that make each place special.

How much history can one city hold? Let’s find out as we navigate through the lesser-known yet historically vibrant Cajamarca in northern Peru. Delve into the dramatic tale of Atahualpa and Pizarro while exploring the town's charming center, distinctive local hats, and the soothing Baños del Inca thermal spa. And who knew a simple trivia question about Rome's Trevi Fountain could spark such a nostalgic chat about classic cinema? Our journey through Cajamarca’s attractions and historical significance is peppered with fun facts and lively discussions, making it an episode you won’t want to miss.

What if your travel packing could be as efficient as your itinerary? Our adventure wraps up in Lincoln, United Kingdom, a city teeming with historical landmarks like the colossal Gothic cathedral and the ancient High Bridge. We don’t just leave you with tales of magnificent architecture; we also share practical travel tips, from clever packing hacks to managing larger shoes in your suitcase. Plus, we invite you to join our vibrant travel community on Facebook to exchange tips and stories. Travel isn’t just about seeing new places; it’s about enriching experiences and shared humanity. So dream big, explore the world, and make your next trip unforgettable with our insightful tips and stories.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Welcome to the Z Michelson Travel Podcast. This podcast is devoted to the travel industry. Z says let your imagination run wild and start dreaming about where you want to go, and dream big, reach for the stars, and if you only get to the moon, at least you enjoyed the trip. Your guide to travel is Z Michelson, a travel advisor, and sitting at the controls is Jay Lawrence, your concierge of podcast travel. Now here's Z. That's me, are you?

Speaker 2: 0:27

here, I am here, are you here?

Speaker 3: 0:30

I'm ready to go. We're both here. Yes, I am the concierge of podcast travel.

Speaker 2: 0:35

The concierge of podcast travel. I'd like some tickets, please, to the theater. Can you do that for me, please? I can.

Speaker 3: 0:41

I know a travel advisor named Z Michelson, and she is so darn good, yes.

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Get those tickets. Yeah, yeah, a lot of tickets. I would love to go see the Rolling Stones. They're floating around. I like to see them before they leave this earth.

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You can't take the stones with you. They won't let you through customs with the stones.

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Speaker 3: 1:32

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Speaker 2: 1:35

Well, you know, today, Jay, a lot of people are traveling. Now, Many, many people are traveling and they go to the major places you know, like Rome and Venice and London.

Speaker 3: 1:46

I've been there, see, I've been there.

Speaker 2: 1:48

So we're going to talk about some of the prettier, lesser known cities around the world today.

Speaker 3: 1:53

Are there.

Speaker 2: 1:54

There are plenty. Yeah, that's the deal. There are plenty and you may not know of them. Some you might, but some you may not have heard of. So we're going to venture around those today. That's what we're going to talk about today so which very, very exciting so which city do you think is the prettiest you've ever been to?

Speaker 2: 2:13

oh, oh, you stumped you, I stumped you, I'll go first. Okay, you know, I want to say it wasn't the prettiest city because it looks like a city, but it was the cleanest city I've ever been to, and that was Vancouver, canada. Oh, I was so surprised because, you know, I'm from New York. Yeah, I lived in LA, yeah, and then I went to visit Vancouver and I went, wow, this really is a clean city. I was so amazed, wow.

Speaker 3: 2:48

You're a really stumping. I like to stay out of big cities. Right, you like to stay out of big cities, so I'm going to go. I'm going to. This is, you know, just off the cause. I lived there. Oh, you lived there. I lived in Lincoln, nebraska. You lived in Lincoln, nebraska. It was a nice, clean city.

Speaker 2: 3:01

Oh, okay, and I've passed through it several times no, you don't.

Speaker 3: 3:05

You pass by interstate 7, 98 interstate 80.

Speaker 2: 3:12

Yeah, yeah, it was 80 that I was on. I was heading from california. You drive by.

Speaker 3: 3:17

Yeah, I hate to say this. Yeah, I haven't actually been in that city in a couple of times, yeah, and so I cannot testify. Okay, that's yeah. It was a nice, clean city, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 3:32

Yeah, there you go. Now. The first city we're going to talk about today is called and I'm probably pronouncing it incorrectly it's Matera, Italy, m-a-t-e-r-a. Italy. Yeah, and I know your wife was born in Italy. Yes, I wonder if she knows the city. You're going to have to go home tonight and say how dear did you ever hear of this city.

Speaker 3: 3:53

Yeah, well, you know she is going to be on the podcast. Yes, you know, so we'll be able to talk to her later.

Speaker 2: 3:59

Yeah, maybe she can give us some more insights, maybe about this in particular, city we're going to chat about today. Yeah, because I know she kind of goes off the beaten path in Italy.

Speaker 3: 4:07

Right, the places that you don't usually go to yeah well that's where she was born, the places you usually don't go to.

Speaker 2: 4:15

And she lucks out because she does speak the language. She came over when she was a little girl, yeah, but she still speaks it, which is kind of nice Now, which is kind of nice Now, as I understand it, you don't really get that.

Speaker 3: 4:25

There's so many dialects. Oh yeah, absolutely. It's like y'all talking, you know.

Speaker 2: 4:30

Yeah, it's like going from New York to the South or from the South to the Midwest, you know, like who says pop and who says soda.

Speaker 3: 4:36

Yeah, you know that kind of stuff. I think it's almost worse than that, but I don't know because I didn't live there.

Speaker 2: 4:42

You didn't live there, but I know my grandmother is German.

Speaker 3: 4:46

Or was German and she's German has to do with Italy.

Speaker 2: 4:49

And the thing is she married a man later on in life, after her spouse died, who is also German, but they spoke two different dialects. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 4:57

And sometimes they didn't understand each other.

Speaker 2: 5:00

You know they spoke English, but they didn't understand each other's German, so it was pretty interesting. You know they spoke English, but they didn't understand each other's German, so it was pretty interesting. So, yeah, I could understand Italy would have different dialects from the different regions.

Speaker 3: 5:08

Well, let's talk about this little city here Matera, matera.

Speaker 2: 5:12

And it was a once dilapidated, neglected city, but it made a really fabulous rebound.

Speaker 3: 5:18

Yes.

Speaker 2: 5:18

It has cave dwellings and it has this dramatic overlook gorge, which is absolutely breathtaking.

Speaker 3: 5:24

Listen, I hate to tell you this. My wife has been there. I'm sure she has. Now that I'm talking she stayed in one of those gourds Gorge areas.

Speaker 2: 5:35

Oh yeah, well they have quite a few in Italy.

Speaker 3: 5:37

Oh, she's got a lot to say about this.

Speaker 2: 5:40

Good. So maybe we can have her kind of give us an insight. Look at this, oh yeah, yeah, because it has repurposed cafes, yeah, and has boutique stores, and between museums and ancient churches. And you know me, I just love ancient buildings, I'm into that history thing. Right Right now it's not a major tourism stop, but it's probably not going to be long before it is.

Speaker 3: 6:03

And that's what my wife says. Yeah, it's so under, you know, under pitched under known and people.

Speaker 2: 6:09

You know. Like I said, people like to go to rome, they like to go to venice, and you know milan. They don't go to these little off the beaten path yeah, she's afraid of people like you.

Speaker 3: 6:19

You're gonna send them there.

Speaker 2: 6:20

I'm gonna send them to these little well, unwell, little prettiest and those yeah, and then they're not gonna know, right? They would have to do this, and that's what travel is all about, anyway, that's right. You know, travel is about exploration. I, just when I go traveling I am your typical tourist I love to find out about the culture, I love to find out about the food things that are not really known to everybody. Yeah, so that's what I like to do Really. Yeah, so now next up.

Speaker 3: 6:50

Where are we going?

Speaker 2: 6:52

We're leaving Europe and we're going to go to Peru.

Speaker 3: 6:55

Okay.

Speaker 2: 6:56

Now I know I'm probably going to say this wrong, but it's called Cajamaca and it's spelled C-A-J-A-M-A-C-A and I am pronouncing it Cajamaca.

Speaker 1: 7:08

Oh, somebody's calling me from Cajamaca.

Speaker 3: 7:13

They're saying. You're saying it wrong. And remember, when you do a podcast, you turn your phone off.

Speaker 2: 7:22

Yeah, that was actually somebody from North Carolina. I have no idea who it was.

Speaker 2: 7:25

Oh my goodness, but anyway, yes, cajamarca. Many tourists head south from Lima, you know, because it's Lima, peru but they don't think about the cities to the north of Lima, and Cajamarca is one of the places you should think about visiting. It's steeped in history. Now. The Atahualpa I know I'm throwing my tongue all around, but I'm having a hard time with these words the Atahualpa tried to salvage the Inca Empire, so it's a lot of history here. It's from Pizarro. He was one of the head of the conquistadors and the room full of gold, so they went in and the history behind it was Pizarro went in and told the Inca king you know, if you give us the gold we'll let you live, but unfortunately he lied. The town center is really pretty and it's frequented by many of the locals, so it's a big local stop and the locals wear these really big, enormous, distinctive hats. That's how you know they're local.

Speaker 3: 8:35

Okay.

Speaker 2: 8:36

Okay.

Speaker 3: 8:37

Can I get one?

Speaker 2: 8:38

Probably Because they do have a lot of stuff there. You can do what the emperor once did too. What's?

Speaker 3: 8:44

that.

Speaker 2: 8:45

You can relax in what's called the Baños del Inca. Baños is bathroom, basically in Italian and in Spanish, but it's a thermal spa. So could you imagine at the end of a busy day, the king went to his thermal spa, and now you can do the same thing in Cajamata.

Speaker 3: 9:05

Boy, I can't wait.

Speaker 2: 9:06

Yeah, I mean, if it's sulfur water, I won't be able to go in. I won't be able to go in. Ah, that's my traveling trivia question music. So are you ready, Jay?

Speaker 3: 9:21

Let me close my eyes, close your eyes.

Speaker 2: 9:24

Pretend you're there.

Speaker 3: 9:24

Is this like Jeopardy?

Speaker 2: 9:27

Right Approximately how much money is thrown into Rome's Trevi Fountain each day, each day?

Speaker 3: 9:37

Okay, now I've got a question for you after you've told me the answer.

Speaker 2: 9:43

You're going to give me a question.

Speaker 3: 9:45

Okay, do they clean it out daily?

Speaker 2: 9:50

They don't clean it out daily, but they do clean it out.

Speaker 3: 9:52

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:53

And so they kind of know what's being pitched in there.

Speaker 3: 9:57

This is like three coins in the fountain right Bingo. Three coins in the fountain, that's the fountain, the Trevi Fvi fountain.

Speaker 2: 10:02

As a matter of fact, when my daughter went to visit italy, they were refurbishing it, so it was covered with scaffolding. She was very upset, but she got to see a little of it okay, I'm going to say um 250 dollars 250 dollars. Boy, would you be wrong.

Speaker 3: 10:21

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:22

Yeah, it is 3,000 euros. They fish out of the Trevi Fountain daily Daily, which is roughly about 3,200 bucks in American money.

Speaker 3: 10:32

Wow, yeah, I got an idea.

Speaker 2: 10:36

Now I've got a new idea.

Speaker 3: 10:38

We're going to build a fountain outside the studio, yes, and we'll just ask people to come by and make a wish, a wishing well.

Speaker 2: 10:45

Yeah, I love wishing wells. You know, wishing wells are so much fun. Yeah, you know, and I was watching an old episode of Angela Lansbury and she was throwing a penny into one of the wishing wells in.

Speaker 3: 10:56

Ireland. Yeah, okay, now here's my question, because you see, I had a question for you and I don't think you'll be able to answer. I probably won't be, but you said it's in euros is what they count out, right I? Do americans throw american coins in, does everybody?

Speaker 2: 11:10

a lot of them. A lot of them throw american coins if they're from the united states throw chinese money in.

Speaker 3: 11:15

Probably chinese young yeah and it said.

Speaker 2: 11:19

It said that if you throw a coin into the fountain, yeah, that means you'll return to the fountain right, you'll return to italy one day okay, now who was in that movie? Three coins in the phone oh, that's a stumper for me. Katherine heppert no, not katherine heppert, the other heppert, or do you have audrey? Probably you don't know either. No, no, oh no, I'm going to have to look it up now.

Speaker 3: 11:42

Oh no.

Speaker 2: 11:43

Who starred In.

Speaker 3: 11:45

Three Coins and a Fountain. Okay, here we go Three.

Speaker 2: 11:49

Coins and a.

Speaker 3: 11:49

Fountain For you youngins. You don't remember this? We haven't, really, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:55

I can't believe that.

Speaker 3: 11:56

What? Maybe it was a remake Louis Jodan. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:01

Frank Sinatra.

Speaker 3: 12:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:04

I don't think. So Was Frank Sinatra in that movie. I don't think so. He might have sang the song.

Speaker 3: 12:08

Yeah, I'm thinking of Hepburn and Hepburn and something.

Speaker 2: 12:12

I'm looking. I don't believe this. I'm on Wikipedia now. Oh yeah, cast Clifton Webb, dorothy McGuire, gene Peters, louis Jardin, rosanna Brazzi, maggie McNamara, howard St John, catherine Gibney and Kathleen Nisbet.

Speaker 3: 12:29

And I think Frank Sinatra probably sang this song. That is not who I was thinking of. Me either. Yeah, me either.

Speaker 2: 12:33

But I'm on Wikipedia looking at the original movie.

Speaker 3: 12:35

Boy, you're killing me with this traveling trivia stuff.

Speaker 2: 12:39

And people don't realize that it was about three different romances going on.

Speaker 3: 12:43

At the same time.

Speaker 2: 12:44

People should look at some of these old movies.

Speaker 3: 12:46

Okay, now, what was the movie I'm thinking of, which was like who was that? The Hepburn, like you said.

Speaker 2: 12:55

Right Audrey Hepburn.

Speaker 3: 12:56

Yeah, and you know the guy.

Speaker 2: 13:01

The good old guy. There's so many movies where Audrey Hepburn's overseas, I don't know. Yeah, there was a couple of them in there.

Speaker 3: 13:11

They had to do that, you know, because the studios received money for doing it in their country.

Speaker 2: 13:17

Yeah, yeah, now they pay. Now it's reversed, yeah, all right. Well, let's get back to some more pretty cities, shall we Okay?

Speaker 3: 13:27

Okay, okay, I'm going to keep going.

Speaker 2: 13:29

Okay, so how about?

Speaker 3: 13:30

this. Where would yes?

Speaker 2: 13:32

You said Lincoln, before it's a pretty city, but I'm going to say Lincoln, but not in Nebraska. What Not in Nebraska? What Not in Nebraska? There's another Lincoln there is another Lincoln, and where would that be it's in the UK no kidding Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, and it's a little unknown gem.

Speaker 3: 13:49

Uh-huh.

Speaker 2: 13:50

It compares to places like York and Oxford and Bath or Bath, however they pronounce it Uh-huh. It has steep hills, uh-huh.

Speaker 1: 13:58

It.

Speaker 2: 13:59

Steep hills, uh-huh, 11th century Gothic cathedral, and you know approximately how much money is. Where am I? Where am I? I'm bumping around here. What are you doing? Okay, what I'm doing is I'm getting very confused. I'm looking at the cathedral and it's the tallest building in the world. 238 years it was, oh wow, right. For 238 years it was the tallest building, until the spire that it had on the cathedral collapsed.

Speaker 3: 14:29

Hmm.

Speaker 2: 14:31

And get this. The nearby castle holds one of the only four copies of the Magna Carta.

Speaker 3: 14:38

Oh my goodness, yeah, Now that would be something to see.

Speaker 2: 14:41

So it's a lot of history, it's a lot of Gothic. You know me with that antique stuff, I love those buildings and it has the High Bridge, which was built in 1160. Oh, wow, and it's a high bridge and it's the oldest bridge in England and it still has buildings on it. Oh, wow, yeah, has buildings on it, oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:06

So I mean, when you, when you're overseas, you know everybody's doing the same thing over and over and over again going here, going there, they want to go see this, they want to go see that, absolutely. But when you go off these beaten paths and you see these smaller cities and these smaller things, um, it amazes you. You know, just to see that, like I said, I've gone to Scotland and I went to this one door that was built in like the 1100s. Oh, and the door was still there, oh, yeah. And it's like we can't even get a door to last for a year in our houses and they still have a door that's, you know, still alive and kicking, yeah. So, you know, take your time, look at these places. Take your time, look at these places. Don't try to rush through. And that's what I say to people that go visit Disney. They're trying to rush and get everything in when they go to Disney and you really can't see everything when you go. You can't see everything. So, yes, so of course Lincoln, the United Kingdom.

Speaker 3: 15:56

All right, not Nebraska, not Nebraska. There's no place like Nebraska. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2: 16:04

Traveling tip music.

Speaker 3: 16:06

Traveling tip music.

Speaker 2: 16:08

My traveling tip of today. Do you remember the shower caps that we used to have years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years ago?

Speaker 3: 16:17

Well, I'm laughing because I could. Yes, those funny little things that go over your head, right, right yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Well, old shower caps are really good to use for your shoes. What, yeah, but a lot of shower caps you'll see at the hotels now they have these throwaway shower caps. I've seen them from time to time and you can use them to put over your shoes and it covers the soles to keep the dirt off your clothes.

Speaker 3: 16:43

Oh, like when you're packing them. That's what you're suggesting.

Speaker 2: 16:46

Yeah, oh, so use these shower caps for that. I use old plastic grocery bags. Oh, yeah, old plastic grocery bags. Oh, yeah, yeah, I use the plastic grocery bags because they're lightweight. Oh, absolutely, I can stick my shoes in them, so my dirty, filthy shoes don't get all over my nice clean clothes. Yes, and it keeps stuff cleaner, and I usually pack a few of the extra bags for my dirty laundry as well.

Speaker 3: 17:08

That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 2: 17:09

Mm-hmm yeah.

Speaker 3: 17:16

So old shower caps and plastic grocery bags. Okay, you're always talking about packing and how to pack and eat and do all that. I've run into this problem of packing shoes. I hate to pack my shoes. It seems like I'm not a small guy. I do not have small shoes?

Speaker 2: 17:31

No, neither is my husband Small shoes.

Speaker 3: 17:32

So you put a pair of shoes in and you've taken up half the space.

Speaker 2: 17:37

Well, maybe not half, but Well, here's what I recommend for men. Yes, okay, one is if you're flying, if you're going by plane, which?

Speaker 3: 17:44

is usually when you're packing that much For that much yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:47

Wear your comfortable shoes that you're going to be walking in a lot onto the plane.

Speaker 3: 17:52

Absolutely got that pat down Right.

Speaker 2: 17:55

And then the only pair of shoes that you really need inside your suitcase will be your dress shoes.

Speaker 3: 18:01

Okay, my dress shoes still take up too much space, yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:06

So those are going to be the two things. But in your dress shoes you can put your socks. Yes, sometimes men put their little tighty-whities in there. Yeah, so you can pack stuff into the shoe. Yeah, and that helps.

Speaker 3: 18:20

That might help, but still they're taking up all that space.

Speaker 2: 18:24

Yeah, the shoes do take space. Usually you put them on the sides or at the bottom of your case.

Speaker 3: 18:29

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:30

Or some people like to put them on the top with their soles face up. Oh, that's a good idea, mm-.

Speaker 3: 18:33

Or some people like to put them on the top with their soles face up.

Speaker 2: 18:34

Oh, that's a good idea, because it's like the last thing to go in and you smoosh your suitcase down.

Speaker 3: 18:38

Okay, now we're talking about packing and suitcases again. This is part of traveling trivia tips. Right, I have this new suitcase that opens up in the middle.

Speaker 2: 18:51

It opens up in the middle. Oh my God, that sounds like an old suitcase. No, where it just folds open like a book, yeah, yeah. And so how do you put the heavy stuff? And when you try to close, yes, it's just like the old suitcases from years ago I never my suitcases from you always had a lid, had a lid oh, then I'm dating back further, where these suitcases open from side to side.

Speaker 2: 19:16

It's probably in the 60s, that you see in a lot of these suitcases. Is it a hard cover or a soft cover? Mine, yes, see, and I don't like hard covers. I like my soft covers because I can squish more in it. Oh, yeah, yeah. But when you open the suitcase and you have side to side yes, and you have side to side, yes. Technically, how they packed it back in the 60s was their undies, their socks all on one side and then their dress clothes, their pants and their shirts on the other side. So when you flipped it over, you flipped the easy side, the undie side, over onto the top.

Speaker 3: 19:58

There you go.

Speaker 2: 20:00

Why did you get a suitcase that opens like that? What?

Speaker 3: 20:02

were you thinking I need a bigger one? I needed a bigger one.

Speaker 2: 20:07

No, alrighty. Well, let's get back to pretty cities that Jay's not going to be able to go to with that big suitcase of his. No Well here's a place that to be able to go to with that big suitcase of his. Well, here's a place that I would love to go visit. I haven't been there yet.

Speaker 3: 20:23

We're going to go down under to Australia. Oh yeah, yeah, australia, that's on the bucket list, yes, and yay, and this in particular city is Adelaide.

Speaker 2: 20:34

Oh, yeah, of course everybody thinks of Sydney and Melbourne, but in South Australia is Adelaide? It's South Australia, so it's really down south. It has Victorian architecture, which doesn't surprise me any Wide boulevards and it has really really pretty squares like town centers. Adelaide is also dubbed the City of Churches. Wow, yeah, that I've heard of. Yeah, I've heard of the City of Churches. And the reason why it's because in the early days it was freely settled and it became a religious melting pot for all the new residents. Oh, great, so it had all these different religions coming together and building their own churches. So it's the city of churches.

Speaker 2: 21:19

It has a laid back atmosphere and it's considered great for all of the foodies out there. If you're into the food and like to try the food, you got to think Adelaide. And again, it's in the south part of Australia, so you have to make plans to go there. This is not like a quickie trip. There is also a ton of green space, which means they have a lot of parks, and when you're visiting it's all along the Torrens River, so you'll see all of that excitement. So you go to these parks. It's along the Torrens River. It's very, very pretty and you can visit the churches nice that's nice.

Speaker 3: 22:00

I'm glad you took me to a nice place nice.

Speaker 2: 22:04

So we talked about all, some of australia, some of italy, some of peru, so, and the united kingdom so if I want a book on my bucket list, is australia right, and should I?

Speaker 3: 22:15

how do I include this? Is that in tours?

Speaker 2: 22:18

I would definitely it would definitely call and speak with your travel advisor, because you're a travel advisor. You sit down with your travel advisor and say hey, listen, I want to go to adelaide and I want to go to sydney. Or hey, I want to go here and I want to go there, and then they will put together a plan, the best plan for you whether it be on a group tour or if it's going to be a side trip or things like that.

Speaker 2: 22:41

So they will let you know how how it will work out and they will figure it all out?

Speaker 3: 22:45

should I do that with? Should? Would adelaide be a day, a day trip?

Speaker 2: 22:49

because it is south australia, I would, I would consider at least two days at least just to get there get there. Yeah it's South Australia. A lot of people go to the northern end, but this is South and there's so much to see in Australia. You would have to spend a good you know 10 days in Australia.

Speaker 3: 23:05

And the amazing thing is, a lot of Australia is unsettled, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 23:09

Oh yeah, you definitely have some wild kingdom there, you know. You know it's. It's an interesting. You know, my daughter says she would love to see australia, but it has too many bugs that's what's holding her back that's what's holding her back.

Speaker 2: 23:23

I mean, I have to say, some of the bugs that I've seen coming out of australia are pretty scary, looking real and some are deadly. Yes, oh wow, but you know, don't pick the bugs right, stay away from the bugs. But yeah, australia is definitely a place I'd love to see. All right, yeah, so there you have it All those beautiful little cities and there's so many more. So check with your travel advisor and look at your maps and look at things and say, hey, I want to go here, but there's so much traveling to do, so little time to do it. In so tune in every week. For more travel information and insights and just plain fun, please follow me and like me on facebook. Do you got a favorite location or perhaps an interesting travel tip? Let me know. I want to hear it. At z michelson at gmailcom. Don't forget z is spelt z e how do you spell z z e?

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