72: The Art of Coffee Enemas & Community Support | Bailey O'Brien

Imagine embarking on a journey that links the rich aroma of coffee not just to your morning ritual but to a detoxifying health practice. That's exactly what my guest, the inspiring Bailey O'Brien, and Jim Mann (host) venture into as they share the transformative world of coffee enemas. With Bailey's firsthand account, we unfold the layers of this ancient practice, revealing its historic placement in medical texts and its resurgence in modern alternative therapies. From the crucial role of the liver's portal vein to the surprising tales of people adopting at-home coffee enemas in all manner of locations, this episode promises to enlighten on the profound impact of integrating this method into one’s healing journey.

They take you through the subtleties of selecting the right coffee for enemas, discussing the preferences for light roasts and how they have become integral to personal health regimens. Bailey shares the quirks and triumphs of performing these enemas, striving to normalize a practice that has brought many individuals relief and vitality in the face of illness. Listeners will gain a new appreciation for the simple actions that can be woven into daily life to foster recovery and well-being.

In the spirit of empowerment, this conversation takes a heartfelt turn towards the community and faith-based support essential for those navigating health challenges. We spotlight HealingStrong, a beacon of hope for many, offering free resources and connections that prove invaluable in the healing process. Each story shared on our podcast, including Bailey's incredible journey, stands as a testament to the strength found in knowledge, alternative healing methods, and the solidarity of those who have walked similar paths. Tune in to be part of a narrative that not only educates but also uplifts and connects.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

There's a vein in our intestines called the portal vein, that goes from the intestines to the liver, which helps with the detoxification process, and our bile duct gets dilated so the little tube opens a little farther and is able to function a little better to detoxify the body, because the bile duct contains bile, which contains bile acids which bind to toxins, and so when you get the toxins combining with the bile, which gets dumped into the small intestine and then travels down the large intestine and out of the body when you go to the bathroom after holding the coffee, that's how you get extra toxins out, from my understanding, from the coffee enemas.

Speaker 2: 0:49

You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health. Now here's your host, stage 4 cancer thriver, Jim Mann.

Speaker 3: 1:14

It is my privilege to talk to my mellohomey, Bailey O'Brien. How you doing, Bailey?

Speaker 1: 1:22

I'm doing great Jim.

Speaker 3: 1:25

Are you sure?

Speaker 1: 1:27

I'm just I'm beside myself excited to talk about this subject today.

Speaker 3: 1:34

Yeah, it's everyone's favorite subject enemas. Now, for people who have already experienced enemas, they're like what's the problem? It's not a big deal, but those of us who have not done it, like myself, it's like oh my gosh, I don't think I can do that. And obviously it's not rocket science. It's something that you would do if you need that in your healing process. Fortunately, I didn't really need that.

Speaker 2: 2:01

But if I did?

Speaker 3: 2:02

I would do it, but you have experienced it and you know what you're talking about. If you haven't listened to Bailey's podcast, which was the second one in our series, how exciting is that? I don't know where we are right now we're in the 60s or 70s. But you were the second one, Chris Wark was the first one, and then you all the big dogs up front. I don't know about that. No comment. Huh, If you don't know, Bailey's.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Trying to talk with something clever to say, but I'm not as quick as you.

Speaker 3: 2:38

I'm sure you are. You're probably quicker because you live in New York, an hour north of New York City, but still up there in cold country. Is this no one yet?

Speaker 1: 2:47

Yeah, it's no one yesterday or the day before. It was very pretty.

Speaker 3: 2:52

Man, we didn't get any snow last year, so I'm hoping we get snow like every other year. Our one inch or two inch blizzard should come this year, shut us down. Yeah, I mean, I grew up in Maryland so I'm used to snow Not so much here in South Carolina, but anyway, that's not what this podcast is about Snowstorms. It is about animals, right.

Speaker 1: 3:16

Glorious coffee animals yes.

Speaker 3: 3:18

And, like I was saying before I interrupted myself, if you didn't hear Bailey's story, you can go back and listen to that podcast and find out your amazing story. It's such a young person. I mean, cancer is for old people like me, right? You were in college and here you are a thriver. So you need to go back and listen to that podcast if you're not familiar with that. But no way, we're talking about animus today. I just cannot wait. You'll see the immature side of me, which worked out well in radio because you know people expected me to say kind of off the wall stuff. But I'll try to be serious during this time. Okay, bailey.

Speaker 1: 3:56

No, I'm good with jokes.

Speaker 3: 3:59

Especially with this subject.

Speaker 1: 4:01

We gotta break the ice a little bit.

Speaker 3: 4:06

Yeah, gotta lighten it up there.

Speaker 1: 4:08

Especially not your first timers.

Speaker 3: 4:10

Yeah, yeah, or not first timers yet. So why animus? I mean, first of all, who in the world came up with that? Who thought, hey, this might be a good idea, let's go up this direction? I mean, who was that?

Speaker 1: 4:25

Well, actually I think there are a couple different origin stories. One is that there were soldiers on the battlefield I forget which war, but they, I guess they were very. I have to please forgive my poor memory, but I think they were not. They were so sick they weren't able to drink fluids, and so the nurses inserted the fluids the other way and they got better, they felt better.

Speaker 1: 4:57

That's that's one of those origin stories. It was coffee. Animas were in the Merck manual until again there's another couple versions of the story, either the 70s or the 80s, and then they were excised from the Merck manual.

Speaker 1: 5:14

You know, guess why. But you know our society is not so much in supportive natural and holistic healing methods, unfortunately. But you know Nicholas Gonzalez, who healing strong, you know his friends with his foundation, his life, he. He used coffee animas for detoxification in his protocol, which was based off of his mentor, dr Kelly's protocol, which he just came up with after he got pancreatic cancer and used different foods and supplements and an individualized diet to heal from cancer. And then he he ended up getting sick from his body being overloaded with toxins from the juicing and and the healing, that he needed something to help his body detoxify.

Speaker 1: 6:07

So that's when he, I believe, discovered or, you know, not invented, but first heard about coffee animas and then he started doing them himself and he healed completely and then taught others to do the same. But also Dr Gersin, max Gersin, who came up with the protocol that I followed. He also used coffee animas to help with detoxification because there's so many juices on the Gersin therapy, even modified Gersin therapy, that animas were needed as well. They help with well might be taken some of your questions from you, but they can help with pain as well as detoxification.

Speaker 3: 6:48

Okay, well, so why would we or why would someone need to do an anima? What's the advantage, I mean, from passing it through the other way? What is the advantage of going directly there?

Speaker 1: 7:01

Okay, so it interestingly has the opposite effect on our body compared to drinking it. So when we drink coffee, the caffeine stimulates our sympathetic nervous system, which is fight or flight.

Speaker 1: 7:18

Fight or flight mode, like you know, running from danger, you need all your muscles and your, your skeletal muscles, and your heart to beat really fast and move really fast. But then when you do coffee animas, taking the coffee and caffeine, and all that rectally, then your parasympathetic nervous system is activated which helps us to rest and digest and so our, our body slows down, although we can feel interestingly more energetic after we express the coffee and get the toxins out. So it's interesting.

Speaker 3: 7:57

Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean it's. It's something that most of us have to really think through and say, okay, it's starting to make sense. Now, when you first had to do that, was that like? Were you like thinking, okay, I don't know if I can do that, it seems so weird.

Speaker 1: 8:15

Yeah, I remember I was. I was at home with my mom at my parents house, home from college, you know, with the stage four cancer diagnosis, and we were preparing for a trip to Mexico to a clinic a cancer clinic to do the gerson therapy as well as some other things. And my mom made a batch of coffee this special blend Starbucks no association with Starbucks and she was like laughing, ha ha ha. She's on the phone with her friend thinking that I was going to do a coffee enema, and I actually got very angry with her and I stored upstairs to my room and I said I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1: 9:04

Not until I absolutely have to avoid it as long as possible. So, yeah, I was really not looking forward to it. And even the first, the first couple or few enemas, I needed assistance from a nurse and it was very difficult. I was not able to successfully complete a coffee enema or hold the coffee as long as was prescribed for me, which was 12 to 15 minutes. And I continued to struggle, actually for about three months, with coffee and was doing them three times per day. But in a funny, funny way, this is actually part of my faith story. I didn't know what I believed about God, but I had prayed for a miracle. God, if you're there, please give me a miracle. And then I was so frustrated with not being able to hold the coffee for the full amount of time and having this, like you know, my stomach, my bowels, were like get it out, get it out.

Speaker 3: 10:02

I was so desperate.

Speaker 1: 10:05

I. In my mind, I said God help me, and in an instant my stomach was settled and I was able to hold the coffee and I've had little trouble since then. You know here and there, but Wow. Overall, it's been a miracle.

Speaker 3: 10:23

That's not funny.

Speaker 1: 10:24

Sorry. No, it is funny To me yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:28

Yeah, I do make light of most things. It's not that I think it's like I've made light of my own cancer and but obviously it's a serious subject. So you have to hold the coffee in for 12 to 15 minutes. I mean, how do you do that? You stand in your head or what do you do? What's your good at? I see on instagram.

Speaker 1: 10:52

Well, in reality You're lying on your right side. Um, I don't know. We can edit. You can edit this out if you want to, but One of my, my roommates in college. She said you must have really strong butt muscles Junked about that. Um, but no it's. You know anyone can do it. Uh, yeah, so you're. It's really just the best thing to do is go to the bathroom prior, if you can um.

Speaker 1: 11:23

So you have like the room and you're not gonna have any extra urgency to go to the bathroom while you're holding the coffee. But it's really like um, it fits. You know, the prescribed amount Is a quart of coffee, but I actually ended up um on average holding about 28 ounces. So I did a less, a little less than a quart, and even now I've been Um. You know, sometimes it's 24 ounces, which is only three cups compared to four. Yeah, I think you know it depends on the size of the person mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: 12:04

Now, did you notice a difference after doing doing this? I mean, to your health, is it like right away, or is it just Right? Well, what was the result?

Speaker 1: 12:16

well, um, I remember being at home and, um, I was doing coli's toxins as part of my treatment protocol, which is an alternative treatment that's not legal in the united states but it is legal in in Mexico, where I went for treatment and I like the coli's toxins treatments made me feel tired and, um, I would get fevers from them and then just like Generally is like not feeling well, kind of flu like symptoms sometimes. Um, so after doing a coffee enema, I would feel um relief, like in my, in my head, in my mind, in my overall, um, you know how my body felt, like I would feel more Clear my mind and I would feel a little bit more energy and lightness um yeah.

Speaker 3: 13:10

Yeah, I was just talking to linda murphy. She's talking about the flu. Like symptoms is basically your body, you know, detoxifying, so I mean that would make sense. I mean it's working right.

Speaker 1: 13:22

Yeah, yeah, I believe it means your immune system is working.

Speaker 3: 13:28

Yeah, now what? What kind of other than starbucks?

Speaker 1: 13:30

What kind of coffee do you need to use for this, like a latte or I think chris work uh rose, his sweet social media gal, put out a A story on his instagram that said like which how do you prefer coffee? There were four options, and letter d was the bucket with the coffee. Um, but it's. It is a special blend. It's a very light roast, a blonde roast, so it's not. It's not um, I don't know the word. The word that comes to mind is charred. Um, but it's not dark, it's not something that you would.

Speaker 1: 14:11

It doesn't taste like, you know, your typical coffee that you buy from the store or a coffee shop it's. It smells more like peanuts um.

Speaker 1: 14:22

And, yeah, it's like a tan color. So the brand that I have been using is s a wilson's, s like sam, a like apple wilson's, and that's from canada. And there are other Brands you can get, like a cafe man, I think is one that's pretty common. Um, and it's. I've never seen it in a in a store locally. Um, I think you can only mostly get them online, but, um, yeah, that's the fun.

Speaker 3: 14:53

Wow, okay. So basically, um, you have to lay on on the bathroom floor to do this right for 15 minutes or whatever yeah, um, I did it in the bathroom for the longest time, until a couple years ago.

Speaker 1: 15:10

Then, um, I found myself in a situation with a very, very dirty bathroom floor. So I did it in the bedroom, on the bedroom floor uh which, you know, being able to fold it Um more comfortably, um was not an issue. I've, uh, you know, known people who've done it on the bed, you know, with a towel or a couple towels, um. So any flat surface, I think um, although I know, as the rock star coffee animal holder who did it on an airplane once.

Speaker 1: 15:45

Whoa, you're a man, girl you actually have to get the full story how it was actually administered. I don't know how it had to have been back. Well, obviously back before, like 9 11, when you weren't allowed to have liquids more than like three ounces on the plane. Okay but he probably had a bag. I would imagine it was a bag and not a bucket that Was pre-filled with coffee.

Speaker 3: 16:09

So I mean, how are you doing yourself physically?

Speaker 1: 16:12

I'm doing very well.

Speaker 3: 16:14

Okay, you look spectacular, or so I'm assuming you're healthy.

Speaker 1: 16:18

Thank you um looks can be deceiving, but I trust that I am. I'm well and Um. It is funny. This morning I told someone it was 15 years since my diagnosis as of next month and actually it was Thanksgiving weekend when I first um showed my mom the mole in my right temple. That was Diagnosis melanoma, but it was it's actually 16 years ago that Cancer survivor.

Speaker 3: 16:48

Yeah, you're not supposed to be with us, right? Yeah it was day four in 2011 to 12.

Speaker 1: 16:55

Uh, coming up on 13 years From that man, I'm just a baby.

Speaker 3: 16:59

I've only had seven years. There were several years make practices at my position.

Speaker 1: 17:09

Yeah. So I went off the therapy, kind of off the diet and lifestyle with Gerson and you know, was eating things I shouldn't. Always, you know, it was something I thought about and knew I shouldn't be doing. But in the last I don't know, 14, 15 months I got more serious about what I was eating and taking care of my body and doing the exercise that I believe I was built for. You know which is less or more intense than others, but yeah, and so I've worked back up to essentially the full therapy. You know, lots of juices and I'm doing three coffee animals per day now and doing the exercise but also resting and not allowing too much stress into my life.

Speaker 3: 18:08

Yeah, wow, you're like a pro at animals then.

Speaker 1: 18:14

I'm getting better than I used to be.

Speaker 3: 18:17

Now, is there too many times that you can do it a day? Is there like a limit?

Speaker 1: 18:23

Well it does, you know, clear your lower intestines, and the intestines are for nutrient and water absorption, so you don't want to do too many. I believe Gerson's patients sometimes they would. I think if I recall correctly in his literature it could have been less than two hours apart. But that's only for someone who felt really, really sick. For the average person it would not nearly be as frequent. Some people on the Gerson therapy do five a day some four.

Speaker 1: 19:06

I did three, with doing 13 juices per day, and then sometimes, you know, people could do them once a day or once a week, or once a month, depending on their needs and convictions.

Speaker 3: 19:19

Yeah, I do it. I don't do it at all, so I feel bad.

Speaker 1: 19:26

That's all right, not yet.

Speaker 3: 19:30

You're not looking down at me, are you? Oh?

Speaker 1: 19:32

what no? And I have friends who avoided it and avoided it, and avoided it, and avoided it, and they're like oh my gosh, I didn't want to do it, Then they did it, and then they like me. It's their favorite part of the day.

Speaker 3: 19:48

Wow, okay, yeah, that's good. I guess that's a good thing for those of us who have not done that and thinking, oh, it's going to be terrible. But most people who have gotten into it they're like no big deal.

Speaker 1: 20:02

In fact it's fun, yeah, and some people don't have any trouble the first time, especially if they've, like some people, like maybe around your generation, grown up as kids. Their parents would make them do like an enema for, whether it's prevention or if they were feeling sick, to help them heal and feel better. So for some people it's not a big deal at all. For others, like myself, it was more challenging, but you can get there. It can become your favorite part of the day.

Speaker 3: 20:34

I've never. You know, I never got medicine that way, not that I remember I had a colonoscopy, oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 20:41

I've had that too. That was way, way worse than a carcinoma, really. Oh yeah, for me, yeah.

Speaker 3: 20:48

Weren't you asleep?

Speaker 1: 20:50

Actually I woke up. Well, okay, we need to not talk about that, but for most of it I was asleep. My doctor's claim that my doctor claimed that I was not awake for any of it. But I distinctly recall gripping the side of the bed, the railing, oh yeah, that sounds like a nightmare.

Speaker 3: 21:09

Now I have a different situation because you know, being in radio and I had my colonoscopy and I remember I was about dozing out and all of a sudden one of the it seemed like 25 people down at that end, but one lady, a nurse, whatever she goes, I listen to you every morning. That's not what I need to hear. Just staring at my back end. That is so funny. Now I know things that you didn't know. Yeah, maybe she shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 1: 21:44

Well, at least you knew you had a friend.

Speaker 3: 21:46

Yeah, yeah, she knew more about me than I wanted her to, yeah, so, anyway, that's a that's a unique story, isn't it? Yes?

Speaker 1: 22:01

Very unique to him. You have a very interesting life.

Speaker 3: 22:05

Yeah, Now here's a practical question what do you do while while the enema is going on? You just like read, or yeah, yeah. I do you clean the floor.

Speaker 1: 22:22

Well, I, I use my phone, I have a Bible app I use in the morning that for my my morning quiet time. Okay, he doesn't hear me for saying this, but my boyfriend does the gerson therapy as well and he has a little mini Bible in the drawer in the bathroom that he reads when he does his enema.

Speaker 3: 22:49

Nice.

Speaker 1: 22:53

What else do I do? I don't know. I think I might have read other books and texted and. I've recorded voice messages, listen to music, maybe watch you know YouTube video I don't know stuff like that. Pray, just sat and prayed, dozed off maybe a couple of times and you know, just relaxed.

Speaker 3: 23:25

Okay, hey, now your boyfriend. Why? Why is he going through this? Just for health?

Speaker 1: 23:33

Well, he's a mellow homie also.

Speaker 3: 23:35

Oh, okay, yep.

Speaker 1: 23:38

He's in remission, by the grace of God, but he's not so far out now that he's not doing the protocol. With three coffees per day Gosh, he does even more than 13 juices per day, Really. He is so oh gosh. He's done the tremendous job on the therapy and he's just done it very, very intensely and I think that's If I could figure out why he's a survivor. I would say that's one of the factors is how serious he's taken it and gone above and beyond what was prescribed.

Speaker 3: 24:25

That's a good sign. Sounds like a good man.

Speaker 1: 24:29

I don't have enough words. He's amazing yeah.

Speaker 3: 24:34

What's his name?

Speaker 1: 24:37

Well, I don't know if I can say that much this time around.

Speaker 3: 24:42

We'll just say Frank.

Speaker 1: 24:44

But he is a gift from God, okay.

Speaker 3: 24:48

We'll keep it on the down low.

Speaker 1: 24:51

For now.

Speaker 3: 24:54

What would you say to somebody who has been told that they need to be doing this, but are very hesitant? How would you encourage them?

Speaker 1: 25:03

Well, first I would say don't be afraid. Second, if your body totally rejects it and you absolutely cannot do it, then you modify the protocol and you don't do it. I think the most important thing is to try and if this already sounds like a cliche, but if it doesn't work or you're not able to do it in a satisfactory way the first time, don't give up. You can. If you reach the end of your rope and or you're desperate for help, you can cry out to God, just like I did, and God will hear and give you some help. And there are ways to modify it. There's a.

Speaker 1: 25:52

I have a friend. She and I met recently and I was trying to go back and find in our conversations. I didn't get to it, it was actually in our text messages, I think. She said she actually struggled for 10 years with coffee enemas and then we talked about it and she said maybe try just making it a bit weaker, the coffee Do I forget what I told her, but maybe half the dose or one-sixth the dose of coffee, and try that. And she said she was able to hold the enema for comfortably for the first time in 10 years. So there are things that you can do to make it easier, like doing either less liquid or less coffee to make it a weaker coffee, or do it multiple times through or start with water only. I don't know if I said that already, but I don't know. I didn't say that yet.

Speaker 3: 26:56

No.

Speaker 1: 26:58

So there's, hope.

Speaker 3: 27:00

Don't use cream and sugar.

Speaker 1: 27:02

Well, yeah, don't do that, Okay, good.

Speaker 3: 27:05

I thought I'd throw that in for you.

Speaker 1: 27:07

Yes, you're already a wise master of coffee and black.

Speaker 3: 27:12

Yes, I am Now. When you first start, is there a place you can go to have like a nurse, help you with it, or oh, that's a really good question.

Speaker 1: 27:24

Maybe I don't know I mean, it's not a common place here in the US, more common in Mexico. Even going there, you may not have a nurse to help you. I don't know. Maybe a friend or if you know of a nurse who might be willing to come to your house and help you out with that, or there must be resources that I just haven't heard of yet.

Speaker 3: 27:52

Maybe they wouldn't listen to me every morning would help. Yeah, I don't want to see you again.

Speaker 1: 27:59

There are videos on YouTube to learn how to do it yourself.

Speaker 3: 28:03

Oh, really yeah Okay.

Speaker 1: 28:07

And they're appropriate.

Speaker 3: 28:09

They're the EG rated Wow.

Speaker 1: 28:13

And I have written instructions on my website. I have a coffee and my ebook somewhere, I think it's on the website. You can go to BayleahBrandtcom and search in the search bar coffeeanimas. There should be a coffee and my guide, yeah.

Speaker 3: 28:28

Okay, I'll download that. Here's a question how does it actually work? I mean, why does it detox your body better than other procedures?

Speaker 1: 28:42

That's a great question, thank you Couple?

Speaker 1: 28:44

questions. Okay, so I'm sure there are so many like plant chemical compounds in coffee that we haven't even that scientists haven't even discovered yet. But there are a few that, oh gosh, I don't even know how to pronounce them, probably. But cat, well, caffeine I know how to pronounce, but cow and palmitic acid are a couple components of coffee that are higher in the light roast, the blonde roast of coffee, which is why we use that one which help with the detoxification. And so there's a vein in our intestines, called the portal vein, that goes from the intestines to the liver, which helps with the detoxification process, and our bile duct gets dilated, so the little tube opens a little farther and is able to function a little better to detoxify the body, because the bile duct contains bile, which contains bile acids which bind to toxins. And so when you get the toxins combining with the bile, you know, which gets dumped into the small intestine and then travels down the large intestine and out of the body, when you go to the bathroom after holding the coffee, yeah, that's how you get extra toxins out, from my understanding, from the coffee enemas there's also I've read that the volume is important, you know, to have a certain amount of coffee and water as you hold the enema, because that activates peristalsis, which is the movement or the contraction of the I guess it's smooth muscles along the intestines to kind of like squeeze the stuff out of your body.

Speaker 1: 30:49

Also, there was an article or I don't know if Gar wrote the article, but he was interviewed or put forth this information. Gar Holdenbrand is my Gerson practitioner who I worked with in Mexico and I'm actually going to see him really soon. It's the first time in like almost 10 years but he's so. He's a Gerson expert. He's translated a lot of Gerson's work and is still translating the super, super long document that's over 600 pages long about tuberculosis. But it's super connected to cancer and anyway, some more than half of Gerson's patients who are in Gerson's book A Cancer Therapy results of 50 cases were on this diet, his tuberculosis diet.

Speaker 1: 31:42

So fun fact you didn't ask for, but anyway my crazy brain goes in all these different directions to get to the final destination. So anyway, Gar Gerson expert wrote an article or was interviewed for the Townsend Blutter about coffee enemas. Dr Linda Isaacs is an expert on coffee enemas too and I believe she wrote an article in the same publication about it, but maybe not. Coffee enemas may actually help kill cancer cells and I don't know the specifics. But coffee enemas may create danger signals, which is another like rabbit trail about the danger, danger theory or danger model of the immune system, which explains why cancer can grow basically undetected by the body in the immune system, Basically because the cancer does not look dangerous. So with these dangerous signals alerting the immune system through coffee enemas, that may explain why Dr Gerson had success treating people with cancer with just like a diet and detox protocol.

Speaker 3: 33:03

Hey, just a side note here. My youngest daughter is in college for nursing and she told me that her professor said that the coffee enemas don't work. Oh well, that's unfortunate and thank goodness.

Speaker 1: 33:17

Well, I don't know if your daughter believes that or not.

Speaker 3: 33:20

No no.

Speaker 1: 33:20

I I'm thankful for the up and coming generation of doctors and and healthcare workers who are more open to holistic methods of healing and prevention.

Speaker 3: 33:36

Yeah, yeah, my daughter, I mean. She told me that because she thought that was kind of funny. But that's how the medical community teaches things, of course, because they don't really make a lot of money off of coffee enemas. Starbucks maybe, but not the medical community.

Speaker 1: 33:53

Yes, although it would save, save people, a lot of insurance companies, a lot of money if coffee enemas were incorporated into yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:04

Don't. Don't think logically Okay, that's terrible, oh gosh, okay. Well, hey, you know what we got through talking about enemas without me giggling the whole time.

Speaker 1: 34:19

We've made it through, jim, both of us.

Speaker 3: 34:22

Maybe I'm growing up.

Speaker 1: 34:24

I don't know if I would go that far.

Speaker 3: 34:26

Yeah, okay, that's true, growing up is boring. In fact it's kind of funny. All my life people have always said oh they, after they laugh at something stupid. I said they was going, when are you going to grow up? And so I tried, I tried being serious, and then no one listens to me. I said, well, forget that.

Speaker 1: 34:43

You have a great way of making light of things, jim, because gosh, I don't know. I I grew up being a really serious kid. I was always very serious, like in sports, and when I got into diving in high school and I got this crazy coach who was the most amazing coach, he always told me to smile and he said, when he smiled like even if you don't feel like it, like your body will, will change once your face changes.

Speaker 1: 35:13

And he was right. And I've learned from people since then that you know enjoying yourself, like in college, my teammates, they would laugh, and then I would laugh and then I was like, oh, this is great, like we're still doing the same work. It's still the same level of seriousness. You know competing, but but there's no harm in having fun, it only can help.

Speaker 1: 35:35

And laughter is, we know, the best medicine. And like I'm like going to cry right now, like it's one of the ways that I was able to get through cancers, through being able to laugh and, whether it's inappropriate or appropriate laughing at myself. Like I lost half my ear and I was home with my dad and I heard something that he didn't even hear and he said wow, you have a good ear. It was like two days after I got half my ear chopped off and I laughed at my my ears.

Speaker 3: 36:12

So yeah, I wouldn't suggest laughing at other people's cancer, but yes, right.

Speaker 1: 36:17

Laugh if they laugh.

Speaker 3: 36:19

Yes, laughing at yourself is is great, as long as you're not putting yourself down with just making light of things that are serious. And I see you as a very lighthearted person, so apparently I called you after you got more joyful. How about that?

Speaker 1: 36:33

Yes, you did.

Speaker 3: 36:35

Okay, good, yeah, cause serious people don't really like hanging around me cause? Well, because I'm not serious.

Speaker 1: 36:44

They. They haven't been lightened up yet, but that's right, they're just wrong, that's all.

Speaker 3: 36:51

I'll pay for them Well, as usual, it's always a pleasure talking to you, and even if the subject is envious.

Speaker 1: 36:59

It's you're such a ray of hope. Like you know, we all have have troubled days and moments and and you and your, I'm healing strong podcast, healing strong podcast and been a light in my life. So thank you for doing what you do.

Speaker 3: 37:16

Sure have a huge impact. Do you live at a train station? Oh, do you hear?

Speaker 1: 37:21

the train. I live pretty close to one, not that close Like I don't know, maybe a mile and a half or so.

Speaker 3: 37:29

Wow, okay, I thought maybe you're about to catch one and I didn't know.

Speaker 1: 37:33

Could be in front of my window, all right.

Speaker 3: 37:37

Well, Bailey, well, thank you so much, and I have a. I have a new insight on animals.

Speaker 1: 37:45

Thanks to you. Oh, thank you, jim, thanks for the privilege and the joy of hanging out with you, and I pray that those who hear this podcast are encouraged and hopeful, and and joyful and and healed.

Speaker 2: 38:00

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Speaker 2: 38:07

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