78: Stage 4 Melanoma Cancer Thriver Q & A: Voice and Victory Over Cancer | Jim Mann

When a serendipitous job offer catapulted me from the quiet corners of introversion to the radio waves, I never anticipated how transformative speaking into a microphone could be. Over 30 years, my voice has been a companion to many, but it's through the I Am HealingStrong podcast that I've found a profound sense of purpose. Join me, Jim Mann, as I recount an inspiring journey that has taught me the power of resilience, the importance of faith, and the transformative effects of sharing one's story.

Facing cancer can feel like standing at the edge of an abyss—but what if you could find a lifeline in faith and community? That's exactly what I explore in this heartfelt episode. From the comforting verses of Psalm 46 to the life-altering impact of immunotherapy and diet, I discuss how these elements intertwined to bolster my battle against illness. More than just a narrative of survival, this is a testament to the incredible support from listeners and the strength that comes from a hopeful spirit.

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Speaker 1: 0:00

And I think that was God's way, because he knew what I needed. He let me know. Hey, you're just as important. In fact, I put you here for a purpose. You know you're gonna affect other people. Everyone affects other people in their realm, and yours happens to be a big one half a million people and you're not a nobody. So I needed to hear that, and I needed to hear it from God, and I heard it directly from God, and you don't wanna argue with God.

Speaker 2: 0:27

You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to help. Now here's your host stage four cancer thriver, jim Mann.

Speaker 1: 0:53

Thanks for joining me on the I Am Healing Strong podcast. Today is unusual because I have to talk to myself, which I do a lot in the car and stuff like that, but I don't record myself. This is gonna be kind of weird for me, but I've gotten a bunch of questions that I need to answer. I'm not in trouble, or just questions that people wanna know some answers to. So let's do this thing. The sad part is, you know, I've been in radio for 30 years, which means I talk for 20 to 30 seconds at a time, and so that's all the information I need to have in my head and then I can fill it with something else for the next time I talk. But now I gotta talk for 30 minutes-ish. So be patient with me is what I'm saying, and the first question happens to be about radio. So let's start it off easy.

Speaker 1: 1:41

How did you get into radio? I got in probably an unusual way. Some people think you gotta get a communications degree or a broadcast degree, which you know that's not gonna hurt you, but you don't need that. I moved from Baltimore, grew up in Baltimore, moved to Florida to go to Southeastern University and, as soon as I would, you know, in communication with people, whether it's ordering food or paying for something in the store or just talking to somebody, I always got the question are you in radio? What are you talking about? Is it my face? What's wrong with my face? Cause you know, everyone's always telling me I have a face for radio, which is not a compliment. So I just kept getting it and it always made me very nervous when I heard that, cause I was an introvert and I thought, oh my gosh, I couldn't do a radio. Thousands of people listen to you when you talk. It'd be terrible. And plus I didn't hear myself the same way other people did. Nor did they in Baltimore, cause they were used to me. I guess I don't know, but since I was being introduced to a bunch of people, they just heard me as they thought they were listening to the radio.

Speaker 1: 2:48

So after several years of that, and I had graduated from college, I didn't know what else was gonna do it. I didn't know what I was gonna do with it, but I said, hey, maybe I should check this out. In fact, I was out to eat with this family that runs the AM station next town over and they offered me a job. Like they go. Hey, you would do good on our radio station. And it got me thinking a little bit more about it. But still, I was scared to death. And that's the station that this mega station in our town would get people from. They'd send them down there to learn radio and then bring them over.

Speaker 1: 3:25

So I went to WCIE, which is the big mega station. It was one of three contemporary Christian stations that started back in the seventies. So they were they're pretty powerful, 100,000 watts right there in central Florida. And so I went to the manager and said, hey, I'm thinking that God's trying to nudge me towards radio, cause that's all I hear now and I'm not really doing what I think I should be doing. So I should check this out. So I figured he would say well, you know you need to do this and that and try to get a job at the AM station, which I knew I was a shoe in cause. They already offered me one. He opened up a drawer full of cassette tapes, demo tapes from radio people from all over the country who wanted to work at this station.

Speaker 1: 4:05

First of all, I was in Florida. People for some reason, would live in Florida. They liked sweating or something. You know, it's like a half hour from Disney World, it's just vacation land. It just seemed like the perfect job. So I thought, ah well, I won't get a job here, he goes, but we need somebody this weekend If you're available. I instantly just I broke out in sweat. It was terrible. I couldn't say no cause I was coming there to find out how I can get into radio. So I took the, took that position, scared to death. I sounded like Kermit the first couple of weeks, cause my throat got all tight.

Speaker 1: 4:37

30 years later I kind of retired from radio, I guess Cause I got tired of getting up at 2 AM, cause I was on the morning show. But I loved it. I loved the 30 years. It was great and I believe it's really where I should have been. So that just goes to show you especially a non-aggressive person like me who doesn't like plan out his life this is what I want to do, this is what I was born for. I had no idea what I wanted to do, but God just nudged me in that direction and I feel like that's that was my niche, or my niche in life. So there, that's encouraging for you if you're looking for something to do, and I don't know why you asked that question. Maybe you wanted to get radio.

Speaker 1: 5:14

But if there's somebody listening that would like to get into radio, let me tell you it's a lot easier than you think. Just find that radio station that you just like to be a part of and go volunteer. It's hard to find a radio station that will not take volunteers or are not desperate for volunteers. You know where it's working tables at concerts or whatever it may be. That way you get a feel for it and they get a feel for you and if they like you and they go, hey, you might be good on the air. They'll bring you on, you know, on their shift and just going to talk with you and see how you respond. It's just a good way of getting in the radio.

Speaker 1: 5:48

So I just thought I'd throw that out there, that one is free. Did you have fear during or experience fear after healing? What helped or helps you get out of that feeling? Well, of course I was. As soon as I got the diagnosis, I, you know, I was gripped in fear because I didn't know what's going on and the way they told me about it. They sounded very desperate on the phone, which unnerved me. But then again, you know, they knew me from the radio. They listened to me on the radio station so they felt like I was family.

Speaker 1: 6:20

You know that weird thing when you hear someone's voice every morning, they feel like they're you know your family, but the fact that they were so concerned that thought, oh my gosh, this is very serious. So, yeah, I was gripped with fear, but then, god, throughout that first couple weeks, he let me know without a doubt that he was totally aware of what's going on and that he was with me and I have nothing to worry about, which is weird, but that's the way it happened. I mean, people across my path, that was obvious, something that God orchestrated, and you can hear my story on my podcast if you don't know what in the world I'm talking about, but I don't want to just say it again here.

Speaker 1: 7:10

I found this plaque, probably at Hobby Lobby or something like that, that I bought and I put it up on the wall outside of my bedroom door while I was healing and it really gave me a lot of encouragement. It was Psalm 46, which states I got the Bible right in front of me. I would bring the plaque here, but it says God is our refuge and strength and ever present help in trouble. Therefore, we will not fear, though the earth give way and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea, though its waters roar and foam and the mountains quake with their surging and it drops down to 10,. It says be still and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the nations and I will be exalted in the earth.

Speaker 1: 8:01

And I just found a lot of encouragement from that. Like, who am I to worry about these things when I have a God that created everything and told me not to fear? And even if I were to die that week from the cancer, I will be better off in ways that I don't understand now. I can't grasp it with my little mind, as brilliant as I am. Of course, it wasn't like I was willing to die, ready to die or wanted to die. I've got my family. I've got my kids. I would like to see how they end up, but I would like to see grandkids one day for crying out loud. But still, I know it'll be so much better and I didn't have anything to fear.

Speaker 1: 8:48

So, yeah, that's pretty much how I took care of that and I haven't had fear since then. So there, hope. That answers that question. Did you do any of the conventional treatment or all-natural? Well, I didn't know about all-natural when I first got the diagnosis. Of course, being in radio and having half a million listeners, you're going to get a lot of advice through emails and texts and phone calls and people. Of course they told me about the Krispy Kanser book, among many other things, but mostly that one. And of course I was overwhelmed at the time.

Speaker 1: 9:26

You know how it is. You're kind of like in a daze because your whole life has just changed and so immediately I had to get the operation before I did anything. And they already told me where the next operation is going to be and then the one after that, because they just assumed from the size of the melanoma that you know it was all over the place. And after the operation, which was pretty brutal, I will say that is the worst part of the whole journey. It was a brutal one. Skin grafts are never fun. It never spread. The lymph nodes show no sign of it, the border around the melanoma itself. It didn't spread and the doctors are extremely shocked. They were happy, but they were shocked, which I thought. Now God is taking care of this, but even if it did spread, god was still taking care of it. But I mean, I was happy about that and of course it was reported on the radio that you know cancer had not spread.

Speaker 1: 10:25

You know, placed as erupted, got all kinds of emails and texts and I literally took two I think two full-time people to answer all the texts for two days Just saying thanks, thanks, thanks. There was just so many people. That was amazing. But what I did do?

Speaker 1: 10:45

I had heard that sugar feeds cancer, so I stopped sugar right away. Whether that was true or not, I know sugar was bad. You know sugar, especially too much sugar. You get plenty sugar, natural sugar, from different foods, especially fruits and stuff, but table sugar or whatever you want to call it, the white refined sugar, is not good for you. So I cut that out totally.

Speaker 1: 11:08

I lost this skinny little boy, lost one of these 30 pounds no, 25 pounds in 30 days, which I don't know where it came from, but I lost it. So I knew it was healthy. I did the juicing carrots and Granny Smith's apples and I threw ginger in there and I just ate better. I ate more salads, more greens, more vegetables and tried organic as much as I could, and so I was beefing up my already healthy body, because I was very healthy up until that point, and so I just wanted to build my immune system. However, 18 months later, the cancer did come back and that's when I didn't really consider. I knew I wasn't going to do chemo, because I didn't want to do that, or radiation, but they didn't even offer that. They said, hey, they were excited about this immunotherapy. And I remember reading Chris Work's book about immunotherapy and I was like builds up your immune system without killing any cells. And I thought, well, hey, I think that might be good.

Speaker 1: 12:14

So I went that route and it's funny because I just happened to open up Chris Beat Cancer book right now as I'm recording this and I thought wow maybe I didn't finish reading the rest of this and it also explains the reaction of the doctors because he writes in here it's like a little over a page but he talks about. Immunotherapy is currently the hottest trend in the cancer treatment world and as I write this, which was right around the time when I was getting my can, a little bit before that, there were roughly 800 clinical trials in a way using immunotherapy drugs. But the initial result do not justify the hype. And then it says and then he says that basically of course you've seen the commercials with Updivo, which is what I had that it is helps you just live a little bit longer, like I think the average survival rate was 11 and a half months. So that's why they were shocked that I went five years, which has been five years now since the tumors shrunk. And it did say also in here this is surprising me only 20% of patients for some cancers, which melanoma is one of the ones, melanoma and lung cancer to that they told me, respond to immunotherapy. But they didn't give me any percentages. And he says 20% of the patients respond to the treatments. I was one of the 20%. In fact I was apparently because I asked the doctor who was always saying wow, you know, I think about your condition and your journey and your results, your blood tests, and he goes and I have nothing but good thoughts. I didn't know what that meant. I said doesn't all your patients respond like this? And he said well, let's just say you are in the top 2%. Okay. So to answer that question, I did do a immunotherapy and it worked beautifully for me so far. It's been five years and they said well, if you go five years without it reoccurring there's, I think they give me 97% chance that I will. Just, it will never come back. I don't know how they know that because it hasn't been around that long, but I'm going for that. And so they answer that question.

Speaker 1: 14:40

I guess immunotherapy is part of the conventional thing. So I did do that. But I did change my diet and exercise and I'm not one who stresses out too much, I'm not really nervous over things, but overall I don't have a stress filled life because I sit in coffee shops a lot. That's a stress free environment, right, and I'm always happy and I'm an optimist. Glass half full, actually, glass totally full I think I'm pretty extreme. So that's a combination of the two and immunotherapy. And again, it only works for some people and for certain cancers. And since he wrote that part in a recipe cancer. I don't know what the difference is if it's gotten better or whatnot, but that's all I know. For that Did you need to put up some boundaries when healing and what changed in your life or in any relationships that you needed to stop or change so you could focus more intentionally on healing?

Speaker 1: 15:42

Yeah, I think that kind of plays into when someone gets a diagnosis and they decide not to do the conventional treatments, that the families and friends freak out because they're like what are you doing? You need to heal from this, and I totally understand that. I didn't have to deal with that. First of all, initially I didn't even do anything because it had not spread. And then the immunotherapy. I didn't get any pushback on that because people said, well, yeah, I hear that's better. And in my case it was good that I did that because it did totally eliminate the tumors and I've been fine ever since. Of course, you have to make that decision for yourself, because apparently I am in the minority. Yeah, do your research if you're considering that. I do have a friend who took immunotherapy and his tumors doubled. He had a different type of cancer though, and last time I checked he's still around. I don't know what he did past that, but so, yeah, I apparently I'm a rare person when he came to that, but I didn't really have to set up any boundaries because no one really pushed back. I'm trying to think if I'd got any. I don't think I got anything from listeners. They were just excited that I didn't have the cancer, or, yeah, I don't think I had anything.

Speaker 1: 17:08

Now I would say my family, they want to eat right, but they don't, mostly because of schedule, the regular excuses and the reason why I didn't before the cancer. But I kind of go to extremes compared to them. They shouldn't be extremes, they should be the norm, but I always look for organic. I always try to eat more vegetables than I don't want to eat processed food, that kind of thing, whereas it's hard not to eat processed food because that's the most available food there is, especially when you're in a hurry. So, yeah, my family loves the fact that I eat healthy and they wish they could. They just haven't gotten to the point where they just do it and I'm not the cook of the family to the point where I will just prepare it all for them. I've tried that before and they're like oh yeah, I can get used to this. So I have one of my offspring I won't mention their name, but they have stomach issues all the time. So it's a gut health thing and I just can't get that one to change the diet enough to go plant based and maybe just start isolating situations. Plus, this one is in college and it's hard to do that, especially while in college. So eventually I'm gonna get them on there, hopefully before anything happens in a negative way.

Speaker 1: 18:40

Was there a specific bice like food item that you had to get rid of? Sugar, definitely, cause I ate. I ate all the time. Being a little skinny guy, I ate a lot of sugar and nothing was too sweet for me, especially be at the radio station. Cause people will bring by desserts. They don't bring by a plate of broccoli and carrots, for some reason. They bring desserts, cupcakes and candy and cakes and pies, all kinds of stuff, and I think I ate half of it in the radio station. At the other half, in fact, one morning I ate one of the guys in the morning, the head guy in the morning. He lost 140 pounds. So he's very physically fit and big on diet and he counted the calories I ate during the morning show and these are just snacks. Well, breakfast and then snacks and then whatever 10,000 calories I ate and most of that was garbage either dessert kind of stuff, things I found in the break room not other people's food, but I mean things that were there for us to eat 10,000 calories and I couldn't gain a pound. I know people hate me for that, I'm sorry, but yeah, desserts, and to this day I don't eat. I'll eat like a birthday cake slice, a birthday cake for my family or everyone's in a while I'll just do something, but I just don't have the desire for desserts anymore and if there is one, I'll make sure there's dark chocolate in it, cause that's healthy, right?

Speaker 1: 20:20

Please share how someone can continue life with cancer and how it looks, feels like, after cancer. Wow, I know several people who they're on a journey of cancer. In fact, tim Timmons, which I interviewed one of the original podcast episodes was Tim Timmons. He's had cancer for like 20, 20 some years. I forgot how it was. It's over 20 years and he still has the tumors in him. But he lives, he eats right, he exercises. He's a very upbeat guy and he is thankful for every day that he's alive. He puts a mark on his hand with a Sharpie. It just says I made it another day he's got a great attitude.

Speaker 1: 21:13

But yeah, I mean people like that, living with cancer, it's just not something that consumes their minds. They're like, well, you know it's there. God could take me whenever I'm ready, but I'm just going to keep on going. It's all about the attitude. It's not having cancer consume you, but that's just. That's not who you are. That's just part of something that's happening to you that you are doing your best to control it, get rid of it. I don't know how you can do it without faith in God. Let me put it that way After cancer which is a situation I'm at every once in a while you know if you got like a pain somewhere, an ache, or you feel something, that is that a bump. You know and you start, oh no, is it back? Is it coming back with a vengeance? Is that upset with me? And so there's always that you know, and it scares me for a second and then I like that's not cancer. I was, hey, I'm ready, I'm fine, I know what to do and I'm ready to go. Yeah, it's all about attitude, just like everything in life is about your attitude. That makes a world of difference on how things affect you. All right, I hope I'm answering these questions right, because I'm not the best at answering questions, but hopefully I'm doing something.

Speaker 1: 22:34

Of all the resources you used, learned from which one did you utilize, learned from the most or value the most? Well, probably I'm not a good researcher. I like to read books, though, and, of course, the first one I got because so many people told me about it was the Krispy Cancer, which is how I found out, like most people, about healing strong, so that it's got so much information, more than my little brain can contain. And I mean he and, of course, Kris, which I've met on several occasions. He's very healthy. I mean, he's a perfect example of you know who's what he's talking about, because it has worked for him. Even with his skin is perfect, which really irritates me. But, yeah, excellent book. I very much recommend having the Kris beat cancer book. And then, of course, james Templeton wrote I used to have cancer and he had the same kind of cancer I did back when he didn't have a lot of answers. He didn't have the Krispy Cancer book and he was like a pioneer in my mind. And of course he's Texan, which makes him a little tougher. The story is hysterical the way he tells it, but that book is fantastic and I really was encouraged by that. And there's so many others, I can just keep naming them, but those two specifically.

Speaker 1: 23:53

What's the most significant lesson you've learned during your healing journey? Well, in my case, god knows where we're at, what we need, and first of all, I learned it matters what you put in your mouth, so eat the right things. But I grew up and I know you're going to think I need counseling and I probably do but I grew up being an introvert and I was always tiny. I was the smallest kid in my class every year all the way up through 12th grade, including the girls. Okay, I didn't break 100 pounds till the end of 11th grade. Okay, I was a little microscopic, I don't know why. And I loved football so much which, when you're not that much bigger than the ball of the sport itself, you probably shouldn't play it. So I always felt insignificant.

Speaker 1: 24:45

I felt like I'm in everybody's way. I lived my life like I was in everybody's way and I'm in a room full of people, whether it's just two others or 100 people, I'm the last person to talk because I figure what I have to say doesn't really matter. Everybody's smarter than me. And I didn't think these things consciously, it's just a subconscious thing, it's the way I'm wired. So I always thought that way, which was weird when you get into radio, because usually people on radio they like to hear themselves talk and they always talk, but me, I'm like I'm too polite, I can't. Everyone has to talk before me. I don't mean polite in a good way, I mean I'm just. I think you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1: 25:26

However, when I got that diagnosis, I thought, well, you know, okay, I'm in radio, so you can't do this privately. Everyone's going to know I had cancer, but I'll probably get some people say, oh, sorry to hear that. We'll be praying for him. What's his name again? You know that kind of thing, which is probably what I would have done. I probably wouldn't even written in. I would say Lord, help that person.

Speaker 1: 25:48

But when I saw the reaction of people and they talked about a difference I made in their life, you know, I didn't think it's because I'm so wonderful, but I was on the radio. So they heard me every morning for years. Wow, I never thought that I actually made a difference. I don't know, and I'll mean that you know, and a weird way, I don't know how else to say it, but I just didn't feel like what I said made a difference. But I heard story after story and and after I was he, you know healed and out in the public again.

Speaker 1: 26:23

Usually it's women with their little girls, because they were in the school line dropping off their kids. I don't know why they all have daughters. One of the sons go, but they would come up to me, go. Oh, my gosh, when we heard in the radio we're sitting in the car line to drop off a little missy here and we heard that you had cancer, and we just cried I'm like what you cried? He's don't even know me.

Speaker 1: 26:48

Of course I realized they thought they did know me and that just was so overwhelming and I think that was God's way because he knew what I needed. Yeah, let me know. Hey, you're, you're just as important. In fact, I put you here for a purpose. You know you're gonna affect other people. Everyone affects other people in their realm and yours happens to be a big one, half a million people, and you're not a nobody. So I needed to hear that, and I needed to hear it from God, and I heard it directly from God and you don't want to argue with God, but it really made me feel like, wow, I didn't go through life not affecting anything. So it totally changed my mindset. I'm still an introvert, I'm still the last person in the room to talk, but I thought, well, you know, maybe, maybe what I have to say does matter.

Speaker 1: 27:36

So that's what I learned. That's the most significant thing I learned was you know, I'm not a mistake, I am here on purpose and God is very fond of me. That's a good feeling. Okay, how was being a healing strong group leader helped you personally? There's another funny thing.

Speaker 1: 27:56

I looked for a group to be a part of In Greenville, south Carolina, thinking, hey, it's a healthy place, it's gonna be at least one, maybe two. There was none. Then I felt trapped. I thought, well, I just found out there's none. And now I had that knowledge I have to do something about it, which I probably wouldn't have done before. God, let me know that I mattered, I had blew it for me. So I thought, well, I got us, go ahead and start, start this group. And I did, and people came and it was so encouraging, even though about that time, my I think by that time, yeah, my cancer was gone.

Speaker 1: 28:36

But I heard other people in general on their journey who they were fighting their cancer at the moment or just got their diagnosis, and Watched them being an encouragement to others and being encouraged by others in the group was Just amazing. And it also showed me that, hey, you don't have to be a bold Type, a leader, to start one of these groups, because it's all, it's all laid out for you. Oh, there's so much information on the website healing strongorg, and the curriculum is there and it has been recorded on video. I know how to push a button. I'm in radio, I can push buttons. So I push the button and the curriculum starts talking to us and then we share stories with each other and where we're at or Someone's new there, we find out what's going on with them and we try to encourage them and it's just great. It's just a room full of people battling cancer that are being optimistic. It's amazing.

Speaker 1: 29:31

You got to join a group. If you haven't yet, and if there is none, start one. It's. It's not rocket science. Okay, I say that as someone who is not a leader at all and I'm waiting for God to put a leader in here, but he hasn't yet. He's still giggling over the fact that I'm leading one. I think that is how that has helped me personally. I look forward to it every month and, of course, we have a cool place to meet at the cancer survivors Park in downtown Greenville. Stop on by if you ever want to be fourth Tuesday night of the month. We're cool, we're right there on the Swamp rabbit trail, the plate. I mean people just jogging by or riding their bikes, by looking in like what are they?

Speaker 1: 30:17

talking about.

Speaker 1: 30:19

Yeah we're there. We're pretty cool, so stop on by. Give me a call first. I know you're coming. Well, fortunately, that is all the questions. I hope I didn't Mess them up, so I hope people who wrote those questions aren't like it's not, it doesn't answer my question, but hey, it's what I got, all right. So I'm giving you what I got. I went more than 30 seconds at a time and that, my friend, is a miracle. So thanks for listening to the I am healing strong podcast. If you haven't heard them all, there are. There are plethora of them. Go back and listen to them. They're amazing. You can be encouraged by people's stories. All right, we'll see you next week.

Speaker 2: 30:59

Thanks, jim. You've been listening to the I am healing strong podcast, a part of the healing strong organization. We hope you found encouragement in this episode, as well as the confidence to take control of your healing journey, knowing that God will guide you on this path. Healing strong is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to connect, support and educate Individuals facing cancer and other diseases through strategies that help to rebuild the body, renew the soul and refresh the spirit.

Speaker 2: 31:33

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