The Average Superior Podcast
# 37: Shifting Gears Between Teaching Teens and Tackling Tech
Caught between the joy of my daughter's burgeoning independence and a pang of parental anxiety, I faced the ultimate rite of passage: teaching her to drive. Our latest episode isn't just a reflection on the nuances of guiding a teenager behind the wheel; it's a deeper conversation about how technology is reshaping our skills and connections. From pondering the fate of manual transmissions to debating the integration of subscription services into family life, we peel back the layers on how our day-to-day interactions are evolving.
As we wade through the digital quagmire, our discussion turns reflective, questioning whether our online spaces truly represent us or if we're just cogs in a content-laden machine. The Dunbar number makes an appearance, sparking a debate on the potential of a social media platform designed for more personal interactions. We share our experiences wrestling with the dilemma of constant connectivity, suggesting ways to strike a balance that doesn't compromise our digital sanity.
The fabric of this episode is woven with tales of personal challenges and the pursuit of self-improvement, where we examine everything from financial independence to the psychological tug-of-war between work and wellness. We don't shy away from the hearty debates – would life partnered with a hardcore vegan or a devout Christian stir the pot more? And when the information avalanche threatens to sweep us away, we stand firm in our belief that a touch of analog simplicity might just be the antidote we need. So, gear up for an episode that doesn't just skim the surface, but dives – without cliché – into the heart of modern parenting, the allure of technology, and the quest for meaningful connection.
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Caught between the joy of my daughter's burgeoning independence and a pang of parental anxiety, I faced the ultimate rite of passage: teaching her to drive. Our latest episode isn't just a reflection on the nuances of guiding a teenager behind the wheel; it's a deeper conversation about how technology is reshaping our skills and connections. From pondering the fate of manual transmissions to debating the integration of subscription services into family life, we peel back the layers on how our day-to-day interactions are evolving.
As we wade through the digital quagmire, our discussion turns reflective, questioning whether our online spaces truly represent us or if we're just cogs in a content-laden machine. The Dunbar number makes an appearance, sparking a debate on the potential of a social media platform designed for more personal interactions. We share our experiences wrestling with the dilemma of constant connectivity, suggesting ways to strike a balance that doesn't compromise our digital sanity.
The fabric of this episode is woven with tales of personal challenges and the pursuit of self-improvement, where we examine everything from financial independence to the psychological tug-of-war between work and wellness. We don't shy away from the hearty debates – would life partnered with a hardcore vegan or a devout Christian stir the pot more? And when the information avalanche threatens to sweep us away, we stand firm in our belief that a touch of analog simplicity might just be the antidote we need. So, gear up for an episode that doesn't just skim the surface, but dives – without cliché – into the heart of modern parenting, the allure of technology, and the quest for meaningful connection.
Email us here: average.superior@gmail.com
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Speaker 2:Alright. So what you do right now, it makes a difference. You must have lost your vacuum Context.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go. Hi friends, it took a minute, but here we are.
Speaker 2:Welcome to episode number 37 of the Aver Superior podcast. Welcome. I'd like to start this episode off with an apology. I don't know why, but last time I was distracted Actually I do know why, but I apologize. I was distracted and we abruptly ended the podcast and I went home and it was yeah. I'd like to say I'm sorry, friends, apology accepted. And Tony, I know you're listening. I am sorry to you as well.
Speaker 1:Were you distracted by the piece of technology that consumes all of your existence? You?
Speaker 2:know what I was thinking about this on the way over here. I think it's the only time that I have been during the podcast and the reason was my daughter was at something and I was kind of like not super comfortable with her being there with I don't know why she was fine. Kids are weird, right. It's weird that, like you, at a certain point they're getting independent and you're letting them go do things and they're with their friends and you're like do I trust their friends?
Speaker 3:No, they didn't involve boys.
Speaker 2:No, no, they was fine. Like she should have been having something fine, but then yeah anyway, what is it?
Speaker 1:You got four years until she starts driving. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, she's four, she just turned 14 and she took her learner's last week. Did not pass, so she's got it again this week. Deep down inside, were you like good. No, I want her to I want her to, because I honestly want. I want two years of driving with her before she's allowed to drive by herself, because she's kind of a distracted person, and so I want her, I want to be around while she's learning.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I have always had a dream. I have a dream. Oh wow, I'd like to teach kids how to drive, but not like, not like a driver's ed guy with a pedal on the right side. That's just like Hammering the brake, yeah, with the plexiglass between you and the other, the driver, because you're so scared of COVID. That's what they do now.
Speaker 3:Teach decision making when it comes to driving.
Speaker 1:Well, you can appreciate this. I'd like to teach proper, actual vehicle control.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, Right, like here's how to control it Oversteer, understeer, well, and that would, I agree, it would be good to like, force them to, to get into some of those situations right Versus like drivers that, okay, don't have a parallel park? Well, how about, no, let's take a corner super hard and see what happens. What do you do when your car starts going?
Speaker 1:out of control. Because, if you don't do that, you're going to end up like me at 18. Going 180 down deer foot Like an idiot yeah.
Speaker 3:Let them lose control of the vehicle so they feel what it's like and no one they're going to lose control In a controlled environment Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's just to preface that I wasn't the driver. That's admirable.
Speaker 3:I think that's a shit thing.
Speaker 2:I got a when I was 21. Maybe I got myself a. I leased myself because I'm a moron and I decided I needed a new vehicle A Cobalt SS supercharged standard which I'd never driven and it did some stupid things with that car, like saying how fast it could go and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Which every kid has done For sure. Or every, every man right, yes, like, fortunately, your daughter probably won't see how fast your Subaru can go I hope not, but your son he's going to find out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, but that's the interesting thing about like newer vehicles too, like our, the Subaru is all wheel drive, so I love driving that thing in the snow. Like it just feels amazing, like versus, you know, rear wheel or front wheel. It just it's so much different. So, depending upon what your kid ends up getting used to, it's very, very different. Feel right, and they won't have that. And who knows what happens with cars in the future of the technology, like there'll be a some point where we're not even driving them.
Speaker 1:So right, which is interesting, though. Right Like, the more technology you get, the less competencies required on part of the driver Like I just bought a new. So not new, I bought a new to me truck Last week.
Speaker 2:I didn't notice.
Speaker 1:You see when you leave. It has ABS, but only in the back wheels.
Speaker 2:Really yes.
Speaker 1:Because in 2000, that was the technology like four wheel ABS was an option and this truck didn't come with it. So the front wheels, when you step on the brakes, they lock up right, which is fine. But if you know that and you know how to deal with that, right now today's drivers, today's young people, would have a meltdown and I mean generally, they probably will have a meltdown anyways if they had to like some type of like rapid braking situation. But it's like technology just kind of levels that playing field a whole lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's weird. I don't know what that I mean. I think it's bad overall for our abilities with certain things like driving. But again it's like but is it a needed skill if all of our cars drive themselves in five years?
Speaker 3:Yeah, reversing's changed the game too, though. Oh yeah, you can back a trailer up now with the programming inside of it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, completely. But is it necessary? I don't know Well again we're relying on all this technology, which, I mean obviously can break. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just it brings down the base level of competence behind the wheel right.
Speaker 2:So if we're not needing, so if we don't need the competence, but if it's not needed, then yeah, sorry, yeah. Well, if we're not needing it, then okay, but then what? You would assume that opens up avenues to have that competence somewhere else, but I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1:No, and I also think like so, when you drive your new Subaru, your new car that has all this driver assist technology, when you go to backup, maybe it helps you back up. But you also understand how to back up because you have that like base level skill set that existed without the technology to assist you. By and far you're going to be able to make better decisions. Like hey, this is going off the rails, the computer is making the wrong decisions. Or like, hey, like I could do a better job. Or you know, I can see things that the computer can't comprehend. Like I fucking can see the person walking out from the store 15 feet away that's going to need to walk in front of their car to get in, so maybe I'll leave them a little bit of room, or shit like that right, yes and no.
Speaker 2:That's that's the weird thing is like. So ours just has, like the back view. But my uncle's truck, he's got a new like F 150. It has somehow I don't understand how it has an over okay, almost like a picture from yeah, an aerial view.
Speaker 1:I'm like how does it do this?
Speaker 2:And it shows, like it shows literally everything on all sides of the vehicle as it's backing up and. I do not understand. I know it's just cameras, but it just doesn't make sense to me and like so for that. It's like you can have 100%. You have a 360 degree view of your vehicle as you're moving and it just it's crazy, some of the things that are getting put into vehicles, and then if you have a Tesla, it can do it itself. It can pull out a parking spot itself.
Speaker 1:I just and I digress, I think it would be. It is a valuable skill, I think, for kids to learn. Young young kids or adults, or whatever they're called now like to learn how to control a vehicle.
Speaker 2:I think they're called the category that they're in, so if they're teenagers, they're older, they're teenagers, that they're kids, they're kids whatever you call them, they're younger than us, that's about it.
Speaker 1:People who are new drivers should learn. It should be prioritized that you need to learn to control a vehicle in adverse situations. That is just not taught.
Speaker 3:I agree. I agree with that, but there's no technology that defeats that. Like, traction control sucks, but there's no technology that defeats that. But the reversing thing if the technology is good enough, why do they need to know exactly how to parallel park, when to cut the wheel, all that kind of stuff, if the technology is good enough?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think we're just assuming at some point technology is going to be broken.
Speaker 3:That's exactly what I assume, yeah.
Speaker 2:At some point it just won't work, or like it'll get wrecked, and then so they just.
Speaker 1:they don't know what to do and they panic and or you find yourself in a situation where you're driving a vehicle that doesn't have that technology True, right, or you have to. That technology has failed, a sensor has failed, there's, I don't know. I think there's going to be a like competence is never going to hurt you.
Speaker 2:I think that's why it's important. That's why I want her to get her learners sooner than later, because I want to have two years of letting her drive versus. I wonder if a lot of parents don't let them drive as much or they're worried like okay, you can drive here but you can't drive in the city, or you can drive versus, I don't know. I think as much experience as possible while you're with them is at every possible like on the highway and in the city. Obviously, where I live, I'm concerned about the major highway, getting across it into the town and that's just going to be. I need to be comfortable with her decision making and her ability to like gauge distance and speed and all these kinds of things that I know that I feel comfortable with before I let her do. That Is your super and automatic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to bring the manual thing.
Speaker 3:There's no manuals anymore.
Speaker 1:No, there is.
Speaker 3:It's not prominent. It's not prominent Like it wasn't weird.
Speaker 1:I get that. It's the millennial car alarm, whatever they call it the car.
Speaker 3:yeah, the anti theft thing.
Speaker 1:I still think that's a must have, that's a non-negotiable skill, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:I didn't learn it until I literally bought myself a vehicle that had it, but now you have that skill.
Speaker 2:For sure. In my head I was like I can do this, I know I can do this. It was like a weird. It was over confidence is what it was. Like I 100% had. No, I didn't have any problems doing it. I definitely could get for me to be. I wasn't good at it at first, but it was like I understand it versus. I think a lot of kids would just be panicking, not understand or even get what that means.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I was in the same boat as you, yeah.
Speaker 3:My kids will probably never drive a vehicle that have this. They'll never be encountered Like they'll never have that encounter.
Speaker 1:But would there not be merit in you going to buy a thousand dollar Honda Civic for them to let just learn on or drive for a year, not?
Speaker 3:something they're ever going to touch. No, but how do you know? I don't. That's their first car.
Speaker 1:They'll touch it. I think they'll go for a couple of laps and then they'll go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then there we go.
Speaker 1:Honda Civic is all you have.
Speaker 3:There, yes, in an exited circumstance, I think I would want them to have that skill?
Speaker 1:I guess yes, or things like, I think, because I was like much the same as JB, like my dad, and credit to my dad. I never realized, maybe, why he was such a stress case teaching me how to drive until, like, I realized how stupid kids were.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like learning to drive in the big city oh, that'd be completely different. Like downtown, oh my God.
Speaker 3:I can't believe he did that with me, so that was your first, because I grew up in 80% town and we drove farm equipment all the time. So we never, I never, had that experience. Yeah, the first time I got in a vehicle at 15 and a half because it's still 15 and a half, I think in Manitoba to get your learners Seriously, yeah. Wow, it's 14 here, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:15 and a half too late in the game. Well, that's something. I think so, because again they can get their license in half a year versus two years of driving with your parent like where you have to be observed. I like that man. 14 is pretty young though.
Speaker 1:Like it is 15 years, six months. I even think now, like I remember I got my driver's license at 16 and was like, yeah, like I know what's up.
Speaker 2:I know how to drive, like all 16 year olds.
Speaker 1:I'm scared that 16 year olds have driver's license.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see, I am too. But then I'm thinking like 14 seems so, and that highway crossing that you have. I'm like, oh man, that's the first time when it's like okay, here you go, buddy, it's all you by yourself. It'd be nerve wracking for you if you're not in the vehicle.
Speaker 2:I will be. I'll deal with that in two years, yeah.
Speaker 3:I like that. I like the 14, because they have two years to familiarize themselves with that prior. To 15 and a half. I think I'll be better.
Speaker 2:I think I'll be better than my wife with her. I don't think that's going to go very well. So I think, it'll be me driving with her mostly, yeah, but I digress.
Speaker 1:I think yes in the city.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're driving there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I learned how to drive on a standard in the city. My dad just got sick of me Like I did. I remember I was like at an intersection, panicking in his Pontiac vibe GT and like like I stalled it, stalled it to him again and he yelled at me and he was like let's go, you're blocking traffic and.
Speaker 1:I was like ah, I revved it up, dropped the clutch, just fucking peeled out. But I never really learned how to drive a standard until I got my first car, which was a standard, and then I just you, teach yourself, yeah.
Speaker 2:But with less pressure, right?
Speaker 1:I think there's something to be said also for, like as a kid, just getting the chance to figure that out yourself and learn some of these things. Like. I like, go buy your kid like a Honda Civic, park it up front and be like go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but my mind was a grain truck when I was like 13, 14, cause we used to just drive to the field, pick it up to the green bin back and forth and that was a standard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's a skill level, but my first vehicle was a standard too, so like but my kids won't.
Speaker 3:I don't even know. Are there? Are there a lot of standards out there right now, if you?
Speaker 2:go to buy one. Yeah, you can, probably, I'm sure, like you'd have to?
Speaker 3:would it have to be like a special order, Like you?
Speaker 1:need a.
Speaker 3:I don't even know if they're prevalent anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. I also thought that skill like transfers, like, say, your kid wants to get his first job on a farm, or something like that, and they still have like a base level of like some.
Speaker 3:I would like my kids to be good at everything, but at that point our kids are going to be like in the metaverse, getting a job somehow. They'll be controlling it like a robot with their headset on at the farm. The farm, the robot's doing work, but they're just like doing job simulators.
Speaker 2:They'll have Oculus Quest sevens and they'll all be just working, working online.
Speaker 3:I also did a free trial of power wash simulator.
Speaker 2:If you were telling me your boy likes it.
Speaker 3:I could see why it's a dead thing.
Speaker 2:It's so weird.
Speaker 3:So it's so addicting, but it's so pointless, so stupid. I mean, granted, all games are pointless because you really don't earn anything, right. They are in a sense.
Speaker 2:For sure, but but like literally washing dirt off of things, I watched this.
Speaker 3:I watched this semi. It took me like 20 minutes. I got done. I'm like that was really enjoyable and I deleted it. I'm like this is too, because in that time you could have washed your own car Exactly, but it's like it's just that.
Speaker 2:It's that, like I said before, it's that weird thing of like I can see what I'm doing. It's like it's cleaning this portion.
Speaker 3:Progress.
Speaker 1:I'm doing this, but in line with the whole theme we're talking about. There's too much digital, non-lump analog. Yeah, we need more analog experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like the manual transmission, like lighting a fire, making a fire.
Speaker 2:That brings me to this morning. So my kid got up and was watching a show and he's been obsessed with this show Young Sheldon, it's like big bang yeah. It's been big bang.
Speaker 3:That's his show.
Speaker 1:He's been obsessed with it.
Speaker 2:And it's actually pretty hilarious. But yeah. Have you watched it, unfortunately, but I told him, but I was like I'm so sick of it so I'm like no more, watch something else. And then he spent the next half an hour scrolling through Netflix and I started thinking. I was like this word.
Speaker 3:Too many options.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute. I was like I should delete everything and give him like we'll keep prime, because prime that you can go to like Stack TV, where there's like what's on right now, it's like a global or like whatever. These shows are on right now. Pick one of the things that are on. You have no other choices.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's 10 minutes in Too bad kid Exactly.
Speaker 2:And I kind of want to go back to that because it was driving me insane that he just was like blankly staring as he scrolled a million times through and through and through and through.
Speaker 3:I've done that. Oh, we all have done that. And then you end up watching the thing you've watched before, exactly. Oh, family guy, it's great Blacklist. I'll turn that shit back on.
Speaker 2:Exactly, I guess, like we're too many choices almost, but let's talk about that.
Speaker 1:This is going to be an hour long thing I have, so many things to talk about, because I was also thinking about this the other day. We've gone back to the same system as before. I just downgraded my Netflix to peasant Netflix because it's fucking insanely expensive. Yep, what's the peasant?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's like one or two ads per show, right yeah? There's not much, but you get a minute long ad and, like I did I haven't experienced this, but my wife was telling me she's like it's the same two ads, right. So like you get, add one, add two in that minute and it's blue, and then you get the next minute as lot, it's the same ad one, same ad two. We've all gone back to the same fucking system that Netflix was supposed to defeat.
Speaker 1:Yeah right and like. So here's, here's. The thing is like it's obviously because they want ad revenue, right, because we are like the product, yes, right, and it's the same thing. That net where sorry, it's the same thing that X kind of said, is that Remember when Elon Musk said that he was adding a subscription fee to Netflix to remove us from being the product?
Speaker 3:for those advertisers. Yeah, yeah, Twitter acts.
Speaker 1:What did I say?
Speaker 3:No, that's excuse me, the old access.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, like Elon Musk said, like hey, we're adding a subscription free, subscription fee because by paying a subscription fee, you are no longer the product right or the right and now relying on ads. Except we pay a subscription fee to Netflix, and we are now still also the product.
Speaker 2:Right, but in their, in their view and I agree, but in their view you're paying $20 less per month. Right, which is a lot. But what's the answer to this? Because this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3:Going back to two, channels to oh, two and a half, yeah, you get that fuzzy one these channel three Kind of get a little sometimes you get so far, sometimes you can't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's, there's no going back.
Speaker 3:But that that would you like to for a month yeah, just a month of like our kids live in, like it's 1990. Oh for sure that'd be so cool.
Speaker 2:Oh it would break them.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think they're gonna just quick. To be honest, I feel like there would be a painful couple days, yeah, and then it's like this is how it is now and they would figure it out you think the getting rid of the phones and that like type of contact with their friends would be the hardest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just like in entertainment on demand, like, yeah, I want to watch this now, I would not. What is on TV now? Right, that's why I said before in here that I put my foot down when we're driving. Well, I want to listen to this. No, whatever's on the radio is what we're listening to. Yeah, no, you don't get to. You don't get all of your way all of the time, every single second of the day. Well, I want to listen to the song? No, it's not. Is it on the radio right now? Then we're not listening to it.
Speaker 3:I guess part of your job too like you're doing a good job as a parent being that constant gratification blocker. It sounds dumb, but they just can't have yes all the time. It can't be Disneyland dad all the time. Yeah, it's hard I struggle.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's things we personally, as adults, struggle with it, right. And so how do you expect Kids developing who obviously they're controlled by their emotions and dopamine and wanting to like get the Pleasure now or the thing now, and we as adults, you think that we were better at a bit, a bit at better at like delaying that? Oh, but we're, we're not that much better. So it's like, how does a?
Speaker 3:I don't know we're, we're not losing battle with all that every in the weekends, we wake up and in like cuz we're did Monday to Friday. So we wake up on the weekend, saturday morning. I have my coffee, the kids have their breakfast and then it's like, okay, two years ago it was this. Okay, let's all sit down. Everybody sit down. Saturday morning we're gonna watch a cartoon. You guys pick your cartoon. We have her. We ever set shows this, whatever right, sonic Prime is the one we're doing right now. I, by the way, sonic Prime is a pretty good kid, but now it's turned into Saturday mornings and it drives me fucking. Not Saturday morning. So, okay, okay, guys, I got my coffee, mom's got her coffee, we've all eaten breakfast. Let's sit and watch the show together. Guess what it is? It is YouTube videos which drive me. I don't eat it.
Speaker 3:You, oh my god. And then my daughter's like well, can I have the iPad, cuz I don't like this YouTube video. I'm like no fucking not my boys like well, can I, I'm gonna play fortnight with that the screen time, right? I'm like no, it's not screen. Is his family watching? One thing where you can feel fucking hate it you watch the one thing together and my wife and I just a we're. Every it's driving us up the wall. I don't know if that's consistent.
Speaker 2:No, it is consistent. The videos, it's like videos and videos. Mike, you and JJ, my crap. No, I literally deleted YouTube off of all the days. I took it off of the iPad. I'm gonna do it off my PlayStation and they still sneak it, I think, on a computer here and there, but like no, you cannot watch this anymore.
Speaker 2:No, okay, I I yep, I'm all for it, I just like I've had enough, and I agree with you like it's up. It's like if they don't, if my youngest is the worst of this, but if it's like a show that he's not immediately entertained wasn't his decision. He lasts about five minutes. Then he's like, oh, what else could I do? 100%. You're like, no, no, you're gonna. You're either gonna sit and watch this or I don't. You can go outside, I don't care, but you're not going on something else.
Speaker 3:So I approached that bridge today and you thought I would have told them like oh yeah, by the way, I'm putting the cat down, like everyone was just fucking losing their marbles go to the garage right now to gas the cat. It was terrible, though, and I just it. So what happened? The reason I did that today? Because, like on Friday and Whatever, be honest, my wife and I we had some got me's and we watched old-school intros for TV shows like family matters, care Bears, that's the kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, oh, we got in hard. It was. I was living back, I gave it with a time machine, cheers, all that stuff, and remember like, yeah, I didn't really like this show that much, but I remember watching at my grandma's house. We had to sit down. You remember the commercial breaks where you run away and then your sisters or your brothers like hey, it's back on you fucking washing your hands really quick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's so good for people, I feel, and it just brought back this big nostalgic thing and we're like we don't fucking do that anymore. We have like one show that we kind of watch with the kids, but then they have their YouTube videos and their own YouTube personalities they watch in their fortnight and all that stuff and there's no TV used to be a bonding thing in a sense, almost yeah, for families.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they seem with you guys. I think it's a separate. I think it's. I agree that we have too many. We have too many devices that we can all watch our own thing on. Yeah, now it's like you're so human, even if you're sitting there, it's like you realize. Okay, you're on your phone, you're looking at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody like I, like you're I'm watching To show, I'm like I'm not really into it, right?
Speaker 2:Twitter, I know, I know yes, we suck, we all suck bad.
Speaker 1:but yes, it's bad, bad yes but we've talked about this and, like I, did it for a little bit and of course, now I'm just right back on my phone.
Speaker 2:What?
Speaker 1:point is it time for like drastic action, like.
Speaker 2:I don't know when the tipping point but like I don't know, because Right now, right now.
Speaker 3:When's the best time of night at three? Right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, right, but.
Speaker 3:I'm getting riled up. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Are we just living in this? Are we? We're just being nostalgic for this? Should be like three middle-aged dudes complain about yeah, at times, that's what the new podcast name is Three middle-aged dudes, you're right current times but you're right, my wife about that.
Speaker 3:I was like, are we complaining about this because it's necessary or because we used to have it this way? This nostalgic what?
Speaker 2:do we want? I think it. I think it's better, both. I think there's nostalgia, for sure, but I also, legitimately, and I think most people would agree think that there are things about all of our current technology that's killing us. It's like it's terrible for humanity to some of the ways that we're moving, but it's. Is it stoppable and is it doesn't even make sense to try and stop it? Or do you just figure out a way, brain and move forward?
Speaker 3:I don't know, maybe, but this ain't the way. Well, I think there's. There's massive benefits. So last year, november, december, big brother the last big brother season of the states was on and my wife and I PBR the whole thing. And then they had a holiday, holiday spectacular like a big brother. This is out there be appointed, by the way, a big brother festival kind of thing. So there's six episodes of big brother all Christmas, based with old big brother people coming back right.
Speaker 3:Anyway, my kids Really like big brother and so we said, yeah, there's six episodes here, we're gonna watch it 8 pm On Thursdays, and that's when it's gonna start and we're gonna play it, and that's it. Then, when 8 pm On Thursday rolled around, they clean their stuff up. Everything was done. We're all sitting there. We had like a 10-minute strategy talk about who, what players should do what, who they should kick out, who they should nominate and then we watched the show together and it was fucking magical.
Speaker 1:Magical. You sound like you have so much fun sometimes at home.
Speaker 3:Sometimes. But but it was. It was fucking magical and that is what it used to be. You remember getting around the TV watching like family matters, like oh, what's Carl gonna do this episode, and you talk to your family about it.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, like when you had literally it was like Tuesdays, there's the show, the new show came on. Yes, you know you had like the TV guide, or you knew that on Tuesdays the law and order, whatever.
Speaker 1:But is that the trick is like having scheduled TV.
Speaker 3:Well, we just said it was happening this time because they made it good for their bedtimes or whatever.
Speaker 1:Right, but like it got in the day, remember, you pull and open the TV guide, being like oh, when is my show? Oh, it's Thursday at 7 pm. Okay, like I'll fucking got a set the VCR to record it or whatever, yeah it could be, but the problem still is that there's structure.
Speaker 2:You can. You can create that structure, but at the end of the day I could go right now and watch the thing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like you can try to instant gratification completely.
Speaker 2:Come, I agree, but the point is you can't, we can't change that now. That's, it's the cat, the cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 1:We can, you're right, we can, but you can make decisions about it. You just got to hold the remote.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then when the kids, like I, got a pee pause, that you're like nope, you wait for a commercial and you hold it in like I used to hold it in buddy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I yeah, I think you're right. I don't this.
Speaker 2:I agree that something I just I feel like we're banging our head against the wall and we're trying to change things that are not Changeable but you have to do something that is the whole point of all of this is you have to be doing something to try and move the needle in the right direction.
Speaker 3:It is not. Is this not the right direction? Well, I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1:I was talking about. It probably is.
Speaker 3:I'm getting fired up on the hill.
Speaker 1:I hate my phone. I hate it so much and I can't stop it's. It's tied to my fucking hand Like I am gonna get Really worked up today.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes cuz, cuz.
Speaker 1:Like again when I stop at a fucking red light, like I don't need to check my mail. I know what my email said, cuz I looked at it 10 minutes ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I.
Speaker 3:Don't know. Are we gonna have to like John was?
Speaker 2:but here's so group chats. No, it's fine, group chats like like there's just things that like you're not, you're gonna, that are almost necessary now right, but the thing is is there's unlimited bandwidth on your phone. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So if you know, that was like you're allowed to have two group chats. Pick your most important two. You'd have to make some hard fucking decisions, right and like.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:We develop self-control, yeah but that's I would suggest the people around this table have, on a global average, above sure average self-control and we still get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're still just getting cocked by Apple.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, apples, yeah, I mean okay, let me ask you this you said two months ago you wanted to get rid of your PS5.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I didn't know.
Speaker 1:Correct. Would you be willing to get rid of your PS5 at this juncture?
Speaker 3:probably no hell, divers too is out. I don't think it's.
Speaker 1:It looks amazing? Probably no. Are you looking up flip phones?
Speaker 3:Yes, I am. I'm shopping on Amazon, sorry.
Speaker 1:No, this is good, cuz I'm using my device. To distract myself to what about a flip phone that can run iOS? But again, well, I you to like it. Does it chats? Yeah it doesn't.
Speaker 3:You're gonna be a green. You're gonna be that green Apple and the blue. I don't but flip phones.
Speaker 2:I don't think can have group chats. I don't think cuz you'll be there'll be single texting people. You'll be like T9 texting back in the day.
Speaker 1:I like T9 texting. What if? What if we all just deleted everything off our phone and started fresh All apps?
Speaker 2:Well, what about my Tim Hortons app? I need that. I get points. Yeah, what about spot I? What about? Well, you get to pick three podcasts.
Speaker 1:We'll give you three that you need, like you really need like Spotify, yeah, facebook audible, I need audible.
Speaker 3:I'm getting fired up because, like you, you were telling me about you, like do you have your family meeting? No, you didn't. No, oh, you haven't, don't you have family meetings. Cj here hasn't had a family meeting yet.
Speaker 2:No, it's a little too young to understand.
Speaker 3:It's coming buddy. That's when you call the entire family into one room and you, you preach and you hold church in there for like 15, 20 minutes and give my life lesson. It is my oh my wife gets so happy when I call a family meeting cuz she's gonna watch me shine it and I really want to do a family meeting about this stupid YouTube videos.
Speaker 2:It's not that hard I did. I didn't do one about you just literally deleted it and they couldn't find the app anymore, like where to go, like it's gone. Can they browser base it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do don't yeah, cuz that's that's inconvenient actually Can we come up with an action plan Like what if we had a meeting right now, like a family meeting? Like here's how we're gonna detach ourselves from the machine.
Speaker 3:I will film mine that I'm having later today. We'll put it. You can put it on X and all that stuff, I don't care.
Speaker 2:You go put it on the things that we're don't want to use anymore, man, and that's, that's the problem, and that is the problem, right? So again, like this, this thing, we're doing this podcast. So, honestly, we do it cuz we like doing it. That's pretty much it cuz we're not. We're not getting anything, we're spending money, we're not making money. Whatever, I don't definitely losing money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 2:But. But we do it cuz it's fun. But in the end, if we actually wanted to try to make it bigger or try to try to actually gain some reach and maybe make some Money on it, we would have to use the things that we're saying we don't want to use, and we probably have to use them for an insane Amount of time, which we would have talked about we'd like to do right, but it's up, but it's also like we'd like to, but we also don't want to because it's legit would take effort and I mean I'm efforts, not the problem, but like it would take I guess it is effort into the things that we're saying, we want you to.
Speaker 1:It takes like go away creases your involvement with Twitter.
Speaker 3:No one. I don't think anyone is anyone.
Speaker 2:It's what it's called. It's Twitter Well tax, but yeah, you could.
Speaker 3:You call it X. Yeah, what do you call the people like when you post on X? What do you call it? He exclaims I accident. Oh, is that what it is? That's clever.
Speaker 2:No, oh really, yeah, I don't think it's called.
Speaker 3:Elon, if you're listening, but Pat and pending, you do say that you're getting rights reserved.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, the point is like it's so, it's so required in so many avenues of life. Now For people who try to make businesses, people who are trying to you know right, but because we can't connect in any other way anymore. Except. But it is not, we can't. It's just, it is the way to do it because you have such a global, such a reach that you wouldn't have anywhere any way else. There's no other way to get that reach. Yeah.
Speaker 1:X. I don't know man Like especially acts is like the piece of technology I have the most.
Speaker 1:Love hate relationship with yeah because it's where I get the most information about things that are happening that may affect me, that are not in my immediate like realm of knowledge, right, but, like, have you started listening to Brett Weinstein and and Rogan? No, yeah, it's good, I, because I love listening to him talk, because he's like one of the smartest people, right, I'm like maybe 45 minutes in, but one of the first things he kind of says and you know the first little bit of the podcast, it's like he talks about a comedian. How a comedian, if you stand up on stage you say four sentences and then you get to a punchline of the joke, right? Those previous previous four sentences Really didn't make a lot of sense or didn't matter, or like you couldn't view them in the context of the whole, until you got to the Punchline right joke.
Speaker 1:That's the whole problem with Twitter is, if I wanted to make a joke after five tweets, it'd be lost because the first four tweets would be taken literally, right, somebody would stop reading after that. There's no, there's no like, like and that's why podcasts are successful and like sub-stack and all that shit, there is no fucking long form on Twitter.
Speaker 2:No right, and it's just a useless form of communication and we're also relying on it but it's because of that we want like we want Information in small, tiny pieces that we can read. Scroll through. Go to the next thing and you lose nuance In context and perspective like perspective, and you lose all the things that actually matter when it comes to trying to figure out Whether something's true, or whether you agree with it or disagree with it, or versus the knee-jerk reaction to things.
Speaker 3:And it's in deserves something next to like that, but that Facebook came up with the endless scroll, so you just scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and you'll never run out of content.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and everybody does that.
Speaker 3:Now though, right, yeah, well, yeah, they were. The bank. Facebook was the first one to come up with endless scroll and that was a big deal. But, like there's, your attention is less here because you know, like it's not like a iceberg, right the tensions less here.
Speaker 2:Because, you know, there's all this stuff that you can just do this and see, I'm thinking about the thing I'm like Instagram right now. I'm like because that's probably the one I'm on more for like scrolling, just stupid videos, and but then there's a kick at I do, could I delete that? And like I could. But then there's be things that I would like, for example, like Shannon's fight coming up, her coach, like Joel post stuff up there that I like, what I want to see, that stuff, I love seeing that stuff. So then it's like, okay, well, then do you curate and you really cut down if I don't know the dude or if I they're not personally involved in my life, you get rid of all of that. But I don't be in this. Possibly, sure, you could do that. But then there's like, okay, well, what about cool things? That like like Dr Ronda Patrick, where she has some cool information, do I keep her?
Speaker 1:okay, I don't want to keep her, or like that obscure sweep and jujitsu that you're gonna watch put in your save folder and then never practice.
Speaker 2:I have a million of those yeah and again. So it's like where does it end, cuz you? I think you could be. You could be very specific, okay, you're, you're in my life, I know you, I keep, I keep you on my feet, or whatever. But then they said, then it's just the the ball. Just I was rolling down until, like well the interest.
Speaker 2:And now it's like, and then you go into the stupid search bar, which I just yeah, I wish you'd delete that bar you hit an important term, though, that we don't none of us do a good job of is like curation right no.
Speaker 1:I curate your own experience here Because you like. Ultimately, we like you kind of have to be responsible for like, how much information am I taking in and how relevant Is to me, especially when, if you look at it through the context of like, I'm supposed to be, like, the star of my own movie here, Right, why the fuck am I watching like the stuff that isn't relevant to me?
Speaker 2:Sure, okay, but I also problem with that because, again, we're so self-centered and all this technology has become that's what it is. It has become an ability to be so self-involved and self-centered that like, and you, everyone's guilty of it. Hey, look at me, I'm doing this thing.
Speaker 2:Everyone needs to see it, click, send it, whatever versus like, just living your life and not not worrying about people seeing the things that you're doing, and so it and I guess it obviously intent matters in a lot of things. So you, if it were curated to, these are my friends and my family that care about me, and I know they want to see what I'm doing. That's different versus I'm I want everyone to see because I'm trying to get a million followers. So I look at like, look at like that and I hate to pick on the females here, but all the chicks who post like the ash shots while they're just easy followers completely and it's hilarious because there's like memes of it Now, like there's what?
Speaker 2:there's one. The other day, I think my wife was watching and I was laughing. So it's this girl who's like she's showing. It's like it's like a construct, almost like a construction video. She's showing like this wood, so makes no sense, but she's wearing insanely tight lulam is she's like her.
Speaker 2:She's looking, but she's looking back over her shoulder like a weird awkward thing and she's like look at this and like it's just obviously she's just showing her ass to the camera and this is like the thing she's actually talking about doesn't even matter. And then there was like a cut to a dude who was wearing like like long johns and like tight long johns and he's like playing, he's doing something sort of thing anyway. But like again it's like what is the purpose of the of the things? It actually to educate people on?
Speaker 1:No, no, or is it to show people your ass so you can get followers, but have you not seen the girl, the golf girl?
Speaker 1:I don't know like the same premise. It's a girl that wears this like low-cut top with, like you can just see your titties, yeah, basically. And like she swings a golf club and talks about golf. She probably sucks at golf, I don't know, because I fucking wasn't paying attention to the goal, right, and you're just like. This is so Simple, right, and just like a fucking I don't know if it's like dopamine like you're just grabbing people's attention because you Like, you're like the lowest base level interest right caveman like, just like a bunch of dudes, oh yeah just like mine and you're just like fuck yeah and then you, and then at some point you catch yourself being like oh, I'm that dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like crap. Oh god, yuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, and so that's. That's the problem is, I guess I, if you had the ability to actually If you that's really just to actually do it for purpose and stick to that purpose like again, friends and family or your followers, you you know that they want to see your vacation, so you take some pictures of your vacation and post them because they like to see that I.
Speaker 3:I'm all on board for that, but that's not what most of it is it there I have one Instagram post because when this started on Instagram and I'm like, yeah, I followed a bunch of people, I put that one post out with me and the kids and like the Lake or river in the mountains, just going in because it's cold. I did that post. I put my phone down like that was fucking annoying. I hate it. I hated posting.
Speaker 1:It was one post, but that was. I enjoyed seeing that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't enjoy doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get that but like to be fair, I enjoyed seeing it because it was can't actually relevant to something we're all interested in. It's something that I get to like watch you doing and I'm not there, I gotta don't convince me to do more Shut up. I get to feel like I'm a part of your life. To me that was, but it was valuable to me because it was very relevant to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so like that I should have just texted to you guys and be like hey, see, that's the other option.
Speaker 2:Right like that is another option. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I and honestly it like maybe because, like now, it persists on like your, your Instagram, and it's not like I've gone back and looked at it again. So here's a question yeah, do we need?
Speaker 2:is it pot Do? Is there any current social media platform that you can specifically choose? Like the people you want to see See nothing else, have no ability to like. You know what I mean like, like.
Speaker 1:I yes, there is what. Tiktok no, no, no, yes.
Speaker 3:You can set it.
Speaker 2:So just people you follow no, because like at some point you can look at videos and scroll through videos endlessly.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, there's the option. You click on the what's it mean where?
Speaker 1:like. You don't even get the option Like oh, it's like nothing.
Speaker 2:It's like it basically be like a group chat with your people, but like in a maybe a bigger sphere. That is like that. You can so essentially think of Facebook or or Instagram, but you have no, it's not like suggesting things to you and you're not you're not seeing other videos. You're not seeing. You know what I mean. Like it's like specifically your friends. It's your friends, family, your your actual inner group, maybe a little bit like people that you actually want to see your things.
Speaker 3:I wonder if that's what like Facebook and Instagram were at one point my space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, oh, my space.
Speaker 1:Facebook started as a college Thing for Zuckerberg.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right where? Yeah the communication, oh, the Winklevoss.
Speaker 1:But but is that what it was? Well, I think he started a college to be like hey, these are people at my school that I know. Like yeah, small circle but like can you look up? There's a number, it's, there's a term for it.
Speaker 1:Like the maximum number of people you can, like the average person can kind of know Like 200 or something right, which all of us, I know, are anomalies to that, just based on the nature of our work Right, which is weird. I think there'd be merit, and what you say, though, jb, is like Having something where, like, say, it's capped, like you can only have 160 people. If you want to add one and you're your cup is full, you've got to cut somebody right, and just like your circle of people of like, hey, here's what's going on with the 160 people that are most important to me 150 at the Dunbar number.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So, like the 150 people that are most important to me, or the 150 people I know that are relevant to my life, here's what's happening with them. They're posting pictures, videos. That's it.
Speaker 3:You can just call just called the Dunbar app, so and then that's it. You only get 150 people you can follow.
Speaker 1:That's it, so should we be developing this and Well, you're gonna have to cut this whole part out.
Speaker 3:But then what would happen is, let's say, if we develop this app, then all of a sudden it's changing, it's changing, and then we just turned to facebook eventually.
Speaker 1:No, well, yeah, Because if somebody comes at me with a billion dollars, you can have it.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna take it. Go ahead yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, but I I guess you have to figure out a way. How does it make money?
Speaker 1:Maybe it doesn't need to make money, maybe it's like this Maybe we just lose money every month, like this, like seriously well, as long as it doesn't cost money, then I guess it would be there. Is there a way we can monetize losing?
Speaker 2:money. Yeah, but I my point is again Trying to find a way to make. This makes like I think there's some benefit to that. Like you said, you saw you see a picture of your friend and his family. You want to see that. It's a good thing. But then seeing the picture of Uh elon musk and his family, I don't know him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 2:I don't sure right, you don't care, but you kind of do from a voyeuristic Like what is a billionaire doing?
Speaker 1:Maybe, but like I seen. I seen a picture of elon saw, saw a picture of elon musk, like holding his kid or something.
Speaker 2:The other day and I was just like I don't care.
Speaker 1:Why do I care?
Speaker 3:I, I know that, but we all see that on our facebook instagram feed. Oh, like somebody will take a picture of what they're eating for supper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't give a fuck about that. But sometimes I put a picture of my espresso on our instagram and you're doing it.
Speaker 2:But if it was, like some chick who's also, she's holding her special, showing her ass. You care more than my espresso, no, I don't. My point is I don't, but that shows up on that shows up on the feed more, because that's gonna get like views.
Speaker 1:But you can, and you can kind of do that with instagram, like you have your close friends list now.
Speaker 3:Oh really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is like, uh, and I think it's more so if you send messages you can like, or, sorry, if you make stories you can now limit it to your close friends.
Speaker 1:Okay. Okay, which is interesting, but that's also why, like, I haven't been on our podcast instagram in over a month. Basically, I put our episodes up but like a I just it's so low on my priority I just don't have time, uh and be like I don't know. Like I feel like the people that listen to this podcast are people that are in our 150 right generally, most right.
Speaker 1:There's some exceptions, but generally Anything I post on that podcast, they probably have a rough idea I'm doing anyways, right, and maybe it's like I don't know if, like I don't know if they care.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, well, they peripherally care, but it's like again, I don't think they. They're not going to take a whole bunch of time out of the day to figure that like to like right and so and then so.
Speaker 2:What value am I creating by doing that? You're not. But again, that's why that's where the that's the problem, I guess, because in the end, without that a lot of time and effort put into those things social media this is going to be 30 people listening for the foreseeable future, which, again, I don't care, because that's somehow we do it. But, um, I guess, whatever your purpose is or what we're trying to do, if we're trying to monetize and make this big, then that matters.
Speaker 1:But if it were not, but never, and I feel like we like, like the idea of monetizing this, but never has it been a goal.
Speaker 2:No I agree.
Speaker 3:Oh god, no, because if it was, we do this differently. The only reason it's not a goal is because it would take the more, not effort.
Speaker 1:It's a bad word, but yeah, it would take. I think it would compromise the things we want to do 100.
Speaker 3:It would interfere with our lives too much.
Speaker 2:Completely, and that's, and that's the thing is things we give higher priority to right, which is like almost Most, like most things pretty much everything like how many times do we rescheduled?
Speaker 3:now Three or four for this, because other things pop up right. And that's normal but also like we're trying to reduce which, by the way, thank you for doing it at any.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I'm just gonna say I like this time better. I'm so sleepy after 7 pm Like I'm just holding on by a thread every day. Well, old man, see she's good, I'm tired but like we're planning on redoing the studio because we want to like, improve and maybe, like maybe I'm looking at this wrong way Is I almost think maybe I just want to redo the studio for us. Yeah, just because I like I don't have a cool dope spot to hang out. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think and I I think you view it more of like this is like your office, man cave studio. Yeah, because then let you could do things like watch the fights here, like. I know your tv's over there. But you could. You could watch the fights here and we could do a fight companion, like I don't. You could, right, and yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that's, I don't know, like this, this idea of being like the star of your own movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know why I keep having that thought stuck in my head the last few days.
Speaker 3:But what do you mean?
Speaker 1:But I'm why just like we're so concerned about what other people are doing and so self-conscious or so, like you know, worried um, or like you know I think self-conscious is the word about like how will be perceived if we make certain decisions by people or whatever, instead of just being like fuck you, it's my movie, I'll do what?
Speaker 3:I want, I wish, yeah, I wish everybody well.
Speaker 1:I wish I could really have that mentality the whole time, and I think you can, none of us do, but I think like it's just, it's so hard to stop worrying about what other people think about the decision. It's the same reason we didn't tell people as podcast for over a year, for at least for me. I told people you did. I didn't because I'm like I never mentioned.
Speaker 3:And it's not that I was embarrassed, it's just like. This is, this is me, this is me and I don't know if they care and I'm worried that, like it's like that goes along with the place. I say the place we work is is not too A lot of it's not supportive into people making their own kind of things outside of work. Sometimes it's kind of negative.
Speaker 1:So that would be another thing another topic there but yeah, yeah, it gets viewed in a very specific light. Yeah, exactly, there's always negative.
Speaker 3:But that's the whole thing is like.
Speaker 1:As soon as you stop worrying and I, maybe, I'm I think we're getting all of us are gonna get, maybe I'm getting, I think we're getting. All of us are gonna maybe better at it. Or, like you, get more comfortable as we podcast right, like the difference is, tanner started his podcast and he literally pulls me aside and he's like hey, bro, I started a podcast. I was like that's fucking awesome. But I didn't do that with a single person when we started this. I know you didn't, because I suck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I. So I think that I see what you're saying and I think that you look back, like so, for example, when you started hearing somebody from like from nursing homes, like hey, I started listening to your podcast, like oh, awesome. And then you're brother and you're like what have I said? Yeah, completely, you start thinking about what did we talk about? But but, to be fair, I don't really actually worry about that as much.
Speaker 2:Actually, I don't worry about anymore anymore, anymore almost at all, because I know I, I know we're all, I know our intent and I know what we actually how we feel and believe in what we, and we are willing to question things and we're willing to maybe talk about topics that are difficult to discuss because they're politically charged or something.
Speaker 2:But in the end, we're all people, we're good people who are just trying to understand things and in whatever, in whatever context that is and, yes, we're very aware that we have our own context, like we have our own perspective on life based on who we are, how we grew up, etc. But everyone does, and so to have those conversations, I think is super important and we're all willing to be very to be wrong about things. We've all changed our mind on things consistently right, it's just that. So I guess, if I thought that we, if I thought that we were actually dicks or assholes and and we were like very closed off about the world and maybe and we said things just to be, just to be shocking, like we don't do any of that, so I'm not worried about it I I really feel like anything we've discussed in here I can fully explain and have had no issue standing by either what we said, or going back because that's the thing, or going back two years and being like yeah, that was stupid.
Speaker 1:I've changed my mind. That's not what I feel anymore.
Speaker 2:So I think, as long as we're open to that I know we all are I'm not really worried about it.
Speaker 3:I don't know yeah, I think, yeah, you're right. So. I got nothing out of that because you're 100% right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like and I get it like in the nursing home that we work in.
Speaker 1:It's like there's that it makes things a bit more difficult, but that's a nice thing is you get to choose whether or not you participate in this part of our lives completely and and interestingly enough, it's a choice that we have no involvement in.
Speaker 1:Once we send it out to the world, right, which is kind of neat, I guess. Yeah, right, like the people that actually like want to listen to us talk, which I'm still surprised. People want to listen to me talk because I don't want to listen to me talk you know what it is and I figured this out.
Speaker 2:Actually, some people said some things the other day, and then I'm even listening to Tanner. Yeah, podcast yeah, it's actually funny because we know them and so we would be involved in those conversations if you were there. So people listening to this who know us, it's like they get to be involved in a conversation with us, even though we can't hear them screaming at us telling us we're idiots for saying something.
Speaker 1:Yeah which is what I said to Tanner, like I went to him and I was like I get it now. Yeah, right, because I enjoy listening to you talk. I yell at the radio sometimes when you're talking, but I enjoy it. I feel like I'm like a part of your life yes, by proxy which is funny because that's very similar.
Speaker 2:To go back to the Instagram thing, it's very similar to you posting your picture with your kids and you're in the river. It's like you get to be completely, because I get to be a part of that in some way by seeing that I'm like, oh, that's awesome, I should do that, or that's awesome that he's doing it on his in a river, like whatever, whatever the thing is, and it's very similar. But then the the weird part is then how is that attractive to people you don't know?
Speaker 1:right and how come? Like it's the same reason, like we listen to a whole lot of people, other podcasts with people we don't know that we find interesting. We find the conversations they have interesting or we find them interesting. How do we extend that reach of our podcast?
Speaker 2:like obviously, hopefully maybe somebody that doesn't know us would find these topics interesting yeah, I think, and I think they would again, it just takes there's a certain it's a certain type of person is obviously this isn't going to be for everybody, like that's completely cool. Not everything is for everybody, but there's a lot of people who, I think, are very similar to us as far as just really questioning, so like based on what we talked about today, questioning the world that we're living in, as far as, like, are we headed in the right direction? Is this, is this connectivity good? Is this technology? How do we, how do we deal with this with our kids? Like there's a lot of people on the same boat. So I think that's why it could be universally, universally accepted, or like people listen to it and have the same questions or concerns.
Speaker 3:So but I get so put again. I completely agree. Now I actually changed my mind a little bit because, like that, that's my one Instagram post and like I felt so bad, put it out. And then there's like and we're doing something else make should I do this to? And like, no, I feel like a piece of cry, no one gives. I don't want to do this, but anything about like you guys with like the aggressive hugs thing or whatever right, and those posted Joel does in the mornings, yeah, I get so pumped and happy when I see you guys like I get I am not involved, I'm not training on so you can make fun of me, I want right. But I get so pumped when I see that shit and I'm like, yes, that's right. And I get like happy about it and I have no stake in the game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's the same as, like you said, that hilarious video of you getting in the cold plunge and I'm like I just kind of watching them like good right, yeah like you, just feel you feel good about it yeah good, like that must have sucked.
Speaker 1:but I also, like it comes back to our social media is so powerful but so useless, and maybe it's how we use it, because I think there's also a degree of like not willing to compromise, or like waste your time doing things like. You can't tell me that in a planet of 8 billion people, or however many people are on the planet now, we can't find a thousand people that would want to listen to this. Oh for sure there is, but the problem is by reach, trying to reach them. You have to reach what?
Speaker 2:A million two million three million right.
Speaker 1:And then of those interactions, if you have to reach three million people, two million nine hundred ninety nine thousand, whatever are fucking useless interactions, right, and the noise that, all the noise that it's in, like how many podcasts are there?
Speaker 2:Everyone has podcasts and I think that's fine. Like again because like we can't be hypocrites about it, like everyone's got a podcast. We're one of those three people, we're those people, but it's again, we like doing it. You know what I mean. Like again it's the whole. It's the whole. Why are you doing it? It's not because we want to be Instagram stars and millionaires. I mean, that'd be the instant millionaires, probably fine, but like yeah like.
Speaker 2:That's not the purpose. The purpose is we like having discussions. This is an excuse to leave my house for two hours and have a discussion with some friends.
Speaker 3:That's why I do it too, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's why we, that's why we like having our friends on here, because if we can like pull them in and be like, hey, come talk. It doesn't mean it doesn't have to be anything else, I don't know.
Speaker 3:So we're keeping the phones then, are we? Yeah, it's so bad. I want to take some drastic action.
Speaker 1:So right, I like, for example, this truck. I just bought. It's 24 years old. I was driving yesterday and I was like I fucking love this because it's got a radio and a fucking speedometer, yeah, and that's it. And I was like this is just checking all my boxes right now. Did you sell your other one? I basically gave it away.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, so you sold yeah.
Speaker 1:It was a piece of shit, but yeah, it's like I would love to get rid of my phone because I fucking love existing without having, like all of this, these little things encroaching on your attention.
Speaker 3:Should we do like a week, just a week, just with the family, where it's like this is 1990. Kids, get the fucking VCR out. It's go time.
Speaker 2:This is not fair, because my kid won't appreciate it.
Speaker 1:This is not you, and I have a different for us.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 3:I'll do it, I'll do it.
Speaker 2:I'll make sure my baby doesn't follow, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll make sure she stays off Instagram. Do you follow 90s life or 90s nostalgia on Instagram?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:That's a worthwhile page. If you're into that nostalgia, waste your time, yeah.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, just go back to what we were talking about.
Speaker 1:I would be open for the kind of like drastic action that I've kind of thought about doing and I just need to pull the trigger on is like get a house phone and as soon as you walk in the door your phone is done. Hey, if you need to call me to go out to the nursing home just one week is not going to affect your life that much you could like just put a.
Speaker 2:Put a automatic reply. Anyone who texts you gets the like call my. If you need to talk to me, call my house phone. Yeah Right, that's not a bad idea, done.
Speaker 1:Like it's something like that, but like I want to give a house phone.
Speaker 2:Well, I can get one. It's 2024.
Speaker 1:Do you have a house phone? Yeah, we do, still immediately.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, I don't have a house phone. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2:I think I just call it. Call it, tell us they give us house. It costs like $14 a month $14 a month.
Speaker 3:I think you should.
Speaker 1:I also think we should all cancel Netflix Well.
Speaker 2:I think I would cancel. I think I'd cancel Disney before I cancel. But why are you?
Speaker 3:Why are you prioritizing certain? So now no, no, that's the problem. Those are content I like isn't on general TV Like the content you like.
Speaker 1:Again, it's better. Are you sitting better?
Speaker 3:content than rookie blue or anything like that on CBS blacklist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I can't believe I watched that I could get rid of Netflix. I don't think I have this Like I'm pretty sure there's nothing on there I care about. I can get rid of Netflix.
Speaker 3:But like Jason said, can you rock just normal TV?
Speaker 1:No, but yeah, no, do you even need a TV? Yes, why I watch things?
Speaker 2:on it. Could you not read or go outside? I do have a lot of books. I got books Say are we just going to?
Speaker 3:be all mixed in. Is that what we're going for here? Are we kind of where's the gray area? I?
Speaker 2:don't die One of the new people in the nursing home has never owned a TV.
Speaker 1:That's neat. Yeah, yeah, that never credit to that new person in the nursing home, the new, the new base level floor attendant.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I'm a trainer trainee. Yeah, I'm with you, like I want to. I've been thinking about this a lot, but like I don't, I don't think it's. You need to be reasonable. Here's the thing I think you need to do. I think you do.
Speaker 3:I think you have to. Is it a cold turkey thing? Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 2:I don't think it's possible. That's my point is. I don't think the cold turkey thing and like going let's go live in a hut in the woods is possible.
Speaker 1:But also your whoop looks like it's so tight on your arm. It does though, doesn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 3:I'm going to throw it, but this isn't an excuse to flex, for some of your wrist.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, not your bicep, not your bicep but it's connected to my arm, so just can you stop flexing your massive biceps, Sorry Um okay, by the way you're looking, you're looking real good.
Speaker 3:Let's not take this off track. No, I'm sorry, I'm looking at his arm now. I just want to comment.
Speaker 1:It bothers me that we're the same body fat percentage. Because we're not. It's crazy. I was like don't get those because it's the wrong way.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised by your body Body fat percentage, like I thought that you'd be around. I thought you'd be around 17, 16, 16. 16, 16 fat, okay, no because that's still a lot of fat. I'm just I, just I. I agree with you. This is what I'm saying. I don't know. It's weird how we can be the same body fat percentage, um, but look differently.
Speaker 1:It is weird and maybe that's due to, obviously, the math there between like um muscle like height, muscle, how much muscle mass you have like, because I'm much bigger than you. Anywho, let's go back to what we were talking about. Much bigger than you.
Speaker 3:Well, he's taller, what a little fatter.
Speaker 2:I think no, not same fat.
Speaker 1:I think that there is merit for drastic action, because if you were to start a fitness plan and you've experienced this if you were to say, like you know what, I'm just going to work out a little bit, I'm just going to do a little band.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, I hear what you're saying, but then just think about it from the. This is where I think of the problem is with taking drastic action from the fitness perspective. So you say you're super overweight and you decide I'm taking drastic action, I'm going to start, I'm going to cut my calories, I'm going to start this like insane amount. I'm going to start going to the gym every day of the week for hours at a time. You're not going to last, you're going to die.
Speaker 1:You're going to die out quick, but if you're super overweight it's really easy to start creating momentum, I'm sure I'm like from, at least from an objective standpoint.
Speaker 2:Right, but that would become from the incremental changes.
Speaker 1:start moving, start walking twice a week, three times a week, four times a week and that's exactly what I'm getting at here is like there's incremental changes you can make. Like you don't need Netflix, you don't. I agree, none of us need Netflix. I agree. We sit down. Jason makes a good point. At some point maybe watching TV was a family event, whereas now it's just a dopamine collection event, which is why human beings are all falling apart is because we are just dopamine addicts and like the only way to address that, I think, is some degree of drastic action.
Speaker 2:So, like I hear what you're saying and I just think that the drastic side of it is a problem because you won't, it's like, but it's like. Finding the diet that you can stick to is way better than finding the drastic one. It's going to help you, for 30 days.
Speaker 3:I just want, I want the cold turkey to put it back into perspective about what yeah, Do you think do?
Speaker 2:you think it's not maintainable.
Speaker 3:It's not maintainable, but it might put things into perspective better for you.
Speaker 1:But do you think that it's not drastic? Or do you think that you don't want to take drastic action because, like, it's actually not going to be effective, or because you just don't want to?
Speaker 2:I don't think it's going to be effective. I think it'll be effective in the short term or again, possibly very short term, and then you're like it's just like God, this is crazy, we went too hard and it goes back, swings back the other direction. But I think if you do something, so, for example, like I have, like I've craved Disney, netflix, prime, paramount, apple, what the fuck, bro? Yeah, I think that's it. I could 100% get rid of all of them. No Netflix, no all of them.
Speaker 2:Netflix, apple no, no, no, and Apple is like one of my favorites right now. There's so many good shows on that. There's one, oh, disney. I paid up front for the year for Crave, so that's not going anywhere. So, anyway, I get rid of two very easily, so you can get rid of 33%.
Speaker 1:What about those other four? Make them so important in your life that you're unwilling to get rid of them. Just the shows that I'm watching are on them. And what is it about those shows that is so important in your life that you have to see them?
Speaker 2:I saw them watching Halo season two just now?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, see, in every way. Yeah, you're on it, so I can't go to Paramount.
Speaker 2:I'm watching a bunch of good stuff on Crave right now I'm watching the Outsider. I'm watching the New True Detective. Can't go to.
Speaker 1:Crave. See, I think there's some. I think you're missing something here. We're all guilty, but no we need everyone needs that power. But here's the difference I do that.
Speaker 2:I do that when I'm like. So all those shows I'm basically watching as I'm running on the treadmill, so like that's, and I know I could be listening to a book, and I do that sometimes, but right now I'm stuck.
Speaker 3:I'm stuck in a book on a flip phone, exactly.
Speaker 2:That's a problem, but I'm thinking. Here's the thing is, I'm almost 42. I feel like I am okay. I'm not great at it, but I can control that to some degree. My more more of my concern is the kids and like their addiction to that stuff, and getting rid of some of those ones like Netflix and Disney will drastically reduce their want to be on TV, because that's the things that they watch.
Speaker 3:Awesome, I'm not going to be on TV anyway, so you get to keep the things you like, but they don't yeah, because the things that I like I watch maybe like it's.
Speaker 1:42 is brain.
Speaker 2:No, but like but my point is I don't. I come home from work, I'm busy till I basically get into bed and then I have maybe half an hour an hour to watch a show. That's what I, that's what I do. I watch a show for half an hour An hour. I know I could be reading books.
Speaker 1:Sure, but, but in that, like again, we all do it, but is that our contributing to your overall life goals?
Speaker 2:Uh, no, but anyway, but no, but you can't. But what are you going to do in?
Speaker 3:that hour.
Speaker 2:What's the? It was going to say read play a board.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, how is that contributing to what you're reading? I think reading is always. I think that our and my wife is the same and I and I never really got it until I'm home with the kids. A lot is like that hour is just that.
Speaker 2:hour is JV time Relax time Right and I I don't disagree with you, but I also think that you can't, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, be contributing to your life goals. There's got to be some rest and relaxation a little bit. I don't think as much as probably people do, like we don't, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Man, I just don't think that the the drastic age tactic just for fun, though I don't think it works, though I don't think it works, just like I don't think it doesn't, it's not just like I don't think if you, if you've never been in shape, going to the gym seven days a week is the way to do it.
Speaker 1:Maybe not on week one, but week five.
Speaker 2:Sure yeah.
Speaker 1:For sure. But then like should you not see the same regression if you're trying to detach yourself from all these fucking dopamine production?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you should, but let's, let's, but you should do it slow. I think you should do it like okay, delete a couple apps on your phone, delete, get rid of a couple of those streaming services. Like, do, do whatever you want to do?
Speaker 3:Then do a progression chart, like every week you add something, baby, step your way to 1990s, you know. And then and then you'll you'll find an area where like well, this is getting too bad for my life, we got to stop at this progression. And then you know you've already eliminated all those things that now you're at this step. You know what I mean. Like, maybe the first step is no ex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause I think there's no.
Speaker 3:Netflix, and then the next week is something else, and then you just keep going until you eliminate things out of your life.
Speaker 1:Like that way Like, for example, you get in a nice cold tub of water every day that, like 99% of people say, would be like no, I'm never doing this because it's uncomfortable. Yeah, so you've done. You choose to do something uncomfortable because it is going to improve your life. The uncomfortability of getting rid of something that, like, just gives you dopamine for an hour, should not be even like nearly as hard as that.
Speaker 2:I'm saying, I'm not saying it's hard, but I'm saying do I want? Do I want to give it up?
Speaker 2:Cause, my thing is for me personally for, like, from a personal perspective, it's like okay, I think my phone there's things on my phone that I should get rid of like to be at the off of it less, but in I'm talking about that, like, like you said, that hour, hour and a half at the end of the day where it's like kids are in bed, I can do what I want to do, like I don't want to. Like there's you have to have that time in your life where it's like sure, and could you direct that time somewhere else? Yes, that time I think it should be like. It's like whatever you want to do.
Speaker 3:Me watching an hour of nineties cartoon intros with my wife on Friday night accomplished nothing, but it was. It did actually. No, it never might did, cause we bonded. There you go. Yeah, never mind. There was a little bit of a conversation there. It didn't help towards life goals, we just just had good conversation, and that's what that hour is. You just got to spate Like I want to be away from the world for an hour and I just need something. I want no responsibility.
Speaker 2:You earned that and this is something that I don't want to have a conversation with my kids about is like I think you you need during a family meeting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but you have to you. You earn those things in your life, right, like you, and this is like we. We do this for a while and we got bad. We fell off the train, but like we had a chore list where I was like, okay, if you do these things, you earn X amount of hours of screen time per week. If you don't do these things, you don't earn that time. And so it's like you. It's like you need to do the things that are necessary before you can do the things that are a want or like a.
Speaker 3:That's the discipline equals freedom. I don't think I hate to beat this drum because I'm no better.
Speaker 1:I can like watch so much TV, but like why is that the reward that you deserve for doing?
Speaker 3:things. No, the reward can be whatever you want to be. It's the freedom that we we're on, like our sixth iteration of chore charts, because we keep on doing it and we fall off the wagon. But all. If they produce discipline at the start, the front end, and then on the back end, they get the freedom to do what they want during this time period Right and that we choose to utilize. But my kids choose, and guess what they always choose, though, but that's.
Speaker 2:But that's just the world we're in, I don't know screens completely about mind-blowing to you and I don't know, I Don't know if you can change that Right now. I'm very conflicted. I know man, I am too, and I.
Speaker 3:it drives me insane when I'm not thinking about it, I'm not conflicted at all. Family meeting it's go time. Yeah, it's totally, it is go time. We're going on, we're gonna dress like it.
Speaker 2:Um I hope you do.
Speaker 1:I yeah, I don't know fuck. I just hate how like useless we are as human beings.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and your kid is gonna grow up in this too, she's not she is there's no way around it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there has to be. So we fuck like there's two classes of people in this world.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's it, oh man.
Speaker 1:Generally, there's the peasants and there's the what would you call them, the elite, the haves and have nots. I don't want to say hasn't happened.
Speaker 1:We have a lot of hat, we have a lot of stuff, but there's the peasants and there's the elites. Okay, we are the peasants. Uh-huh, every now and then, a peasant reaches escape velocity and joins the elites. Do we know any elites? No, no, not a fucking chance. When I'm and that's I Like, I'm trying to like, redefine, like, and some of this is tied into my belief that, like, there is certainly like a the Global elite that are kind of dictating the path of the world, though Overloads there's the have-and-have nots.
Speaker 1:We are the have nots.
Speaker 1:They're the haves right and by Like. If we want to stay a peasant, we have we keep doing the same things we do because that's what they've created for us to stay peasants and We've talked about this a lot in the podcast. We're like I want to be able to have discretionary use over my time, but as a peasant, I'm never gonna have that option. Right, right and Like, for example, like the Super Bowl is a great, convenient distraction from a lot of things that happened in the world in the last week, and there was again some chat on some of the podcasts I've been listening about how, like you know, the global elite, they enjoy that our attention is consumed by these things. They, it is convenient for them, or it's effective for them because it allows them to make sure that we are gonna remain peasants for the rest of Our lives and until all of us can actually like, remove ourselves from some of these.
Speaker 3:Devices of never happen, which is never gonna happen but that's the problem.
Speaker 1:We just sit here and we're like we're gonna be peasants for the rest of our lives, okay, yeah, yeah that is. That's where we're at.
Speaker 3:Okay, there's. There's no way on in this room. We could. We could all make that change in our lives. If it came down to it, based on something else happen, we can make the change the vast majority of people are gonna.
Speaker 1:I don't think we could, because we just spent an hour talking about how why don't we won't if we?
Speaker 3:didn't, if we didn't leave this room, we could, but the second we leave this room go in the actual world again. There's no way that the three of us, even if we made the hundred percent change here, could enact a change over the masses, and there's no way around it. The only way is like something dressed, something drastic were to happen that would affect everybody's lives, and the consequence for not changing is so bad that you had to change, and it would have to be a drastic consequence right and like independence.
Speaker 2:I hate you the aliens independence day the aliens come here.
Speaker 3:That's the only and we're all going to die is the only way that you can convince everyone to change their ways. I think yeah there's no way around, like a false, like I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, like if you listen again, listen to the Brett Weinstein podcast, because I Think there's like some convincing, compelling arguments made that the global elite, the world economic, all these fucking people are preparing for a change in which the way humanity exists right, whether it's like the decline of the American dollar, whatever they're all preparing for it. We're all sitting here just fucking swiping on tick tock.
Speaker 3:No, I told you I looked at a lot of things about using rabbits rabbits for meat as opposed to chickens, you get meat rabbits as opposed to regular rabbits in your origin having meat rabbits. They're it's the guy laid it out and he is way more beneficial than you ever kid?
Speaker 2:you heard a rabbit scream.
Speaker 3:Yes, oh, it's no is it bad?
Speaker 2:It is the worst sound, don't, oh yeah?
Speaker 3:Is it like a deer screaming and then I've never heard a deer scream.
Speaker 2:It's like it's terrible, so I can't imagine killing rabbits and eating them well, no, they're probably like you.
Speaker 3:Kill my chickens where you just like their head and they will still scream rabbit scream like humans Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2:Yes, I do Be actually a good bad name. Rabbit scream.
Speaker 1:Are you gonna play it?
Speaker 3:what? No, I'm trying to find a good one Like a good rabbit scream. Yeah, I'm not gonna ads cuz I don't pay for YouTube.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I don't, I don't know, I yeah, whatever but that's the problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever is the problem.
Speaker 3:That's what it sounds like. It sounds like a crying baby.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they free. Oh no, that sounds like a chicken yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a rabbit. Oh my god, yeah, but still you want to kill me rabbits rabbits are still better anyway.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, whatever, as peasants is part of the problem. Yeah, but what we can do, what are you gonna do? Something? It's better?
Speaker 3:than doing nothing. Do something and have the same results of doing nothing.
Speaker 1:History has smiled upon groups of people that have decided that because they're being and I'm not saying we're being Subjugated, but because they're being subjugated in one way or another, they just say yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2:Okay, doesn't my point of saying yeah, whatever is, is that it's not that like? I think it's not, that I think something that shouldn't be down to that you're wrong, I just think, in order for you us to get out of that that circle, it it's, you're possible. No, it's not, it's not impossible. But you're thinking you definitely have to change a lot of the ways you're doing things. Like how do you become independently free, like well, like from like a money perspective, so that, and then finding, like finding ways to create like income in your life that doesn't isn't reliant on these systems, and that and that's part of it, honestly, I think is the infinite banking stuff that we talked about to become free of this system that's tied to the government a little bit, but also then to have Income that you can invest in things that potentially will help you free your time, like you said, from the Grind of the nine five.
Speaker 1:But I'm and I'm down to do. I'm tend to talk about the be your own banker thing, because I'm fired up About it right now, but you said something that I think is so like. Did you not just say Part of it is doing the things that you need to do to free yourself from the system.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm one of those things is stop being a slave to the fucking things that have been created to just distract our attention or Use our attention like I agree, but I'm just saying I agree, I'm just saying that I don't think you have, like I'm just my the hour Not at night that I potentially spend watching a show.
Speaker 2:I there's sure there's other things you could maybe do, but I'm saying I don't think that's the problem. I think it's more of a problem if I had, if I get home from from work and instead of Making supper, getting my kids to their kickboxing, blah blah, I'm sitting and doing nothing, watching TV. That's more, that's the problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there that's the sliding scale of problems. Like you're just a shitty parent at that point probably yeah but like that hour, could it not be used to attempt to further yourself your okay fine.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go home. No, no, it's done, I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna break all my TVs.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm gonna smash them into my pieces have a family meeting first.
Speaker 2:It's over. I'm gonna break my phone on the way home. Throw out the window. Are you happy now?
Speaker 1:I just don't want to be a peasant.
Speaker 2:I agree with you. I agree with you, but but that's the wrong approach.
Speaker 3:No, I, you, I'm okay with being a peasant for an hour, an hour a day. I will. I will be that slave as peasants.
Speaker 1:You're either a peasant or you're not, and if you choose to be a peasant for an hour, you're a peasant for life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so let's. Let's say no test, that's not at all.
Speaker 3:Let's say JV uses that hour per day. Let's say you do one hour exactly a day. That's too like that. I think that's two weeks at the end of the year, that's two full weeks that he could have been doing.
Speaker 1:I'm hearing right now, yeah, but I'm rationalizations from drug addicts Okay.
Speaker 2:No, but that what you just said, there was something I watched yesterday. I was like have you spent 18 minutes a day doing a thing you would? Spend 100 hours a year, and you'd be better at that thing than 90% of the population.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whatever, it is Sure playing the piccolo.
Speaker 2:That's. That's something I know. You're passionate about. A little piccolo, yeah. So if you played the piccolo 18 minutes a day, every single day, for the whole year, yeah, you were going to be very good at it, because you're gonna have a hundred devours of piccolo playing.
Speaker 3:I'll be crazy because I don't have a time to just sit there on my phone, but yeah sure.
Speaker 2:So I hear you and I, I feel you and I, I'm, I'm on board kind of. I Just I feel like you're going to like cold turkey. We need to blow everything up root, which we do, I don't think produces, I don't think burn the boats, jamie, I don't think it becomes long-term sustainable.
Speaker 3:I'm deleting YouTube.
Speaker 1:That's a lot. Yeah, I'm deleting my phone.
Speaker 3:You know you won't. This will last 30 minutes after this. You'd like whoa?
Speaker 1:want to be different. I got a good one.
Speaker 2:I gotta go poop I'm gonna pull you out, but here's the thing, here's the thing we we are in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1:No, because no we are.
Speaker 2:We all wait for that fucking we suck at a couple, we suck at some of these things like everyone else sucks at, but at the same time, like you said in the in, in general we're fairly driven, we're fairly disciplined. We could be better Obviously, everyone could be better but that's kind of the. The momentum and the trajectory I feel, especially in our friend group lately, has been very much let's get, let's be focused on focus on personal Wellness, focus on personal excellence, which is, which is totally awesome because amazing health wise doing pretty good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe not last night. I had a little jiu-jitsu last night.
Speaker 2:I but, but again, like it's a, it's a and this is what we're talking about. I'm talking to Tony, we talk a lot about this stuff, but like you have to allow yourself, so when it comes to the diet thing, you have to allow yourself To slip up and and, but then just don't. That doesn't crash your all of your progress that time. You just need to now get back on the horse tomorrow. It's not that big a deal.
Speaker 1:I think you have to allow yourself forgiveness when that happens. Yes, I think you. I also think you have to Set guidelines or standards where that isn't an acceptable thing, for sure, but, like but.
Speaker 2:But to get so obsessed with it to the point like you're not. You're like oh, I'm old, I'm at 1850 calories and I can't literally have one bite of anything else and I'm starving to death. Like to allow yourself to, you know, maybe eat a couple extra hundred calories today, but then tomorrow go back to your thing is fine.
Speaker 3:You have in those jujubes. Last night was like him on his phone for 30 minutes. Holy you know. It's the same, the same principle, right?
Speaker 1:100%. Yeah, I just feel like, so what's?
Speaker 3:up now, hypocrite I'm.
Speaker 1:I am. We could call this podcast fucking hypocrisy.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's all. I love it. This is the best part.
Speaker 2:We can't change the name again. We've done it too many times. Easy mode, hypocrisy superior. Yeah, exactly so why did?
Speaker 1:you have those jujubes.
Speaker 2:Why not fucking wanted?
Speaker 3:them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they make. I've also really noticed how, like eating all these fucking carbs before bed is ruining my sleep.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, yeah, your recovery wasn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's, what's.
Speaker 3:I love. I'm not gonna pay for the membership for past this month, but I love this whoop app.
Speaker 1:Dude, it's so, and I trained really hard the last two days, which also may have yeah, for sure, included.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you guys saw my sleep at. I was eighty, eighty, nine percent, not bad, I think I was at a hundred or close to fuck you.
Speaker 1:Really, I haven't looked yet. Look at you two on your phones. You fucking sleep.
Speaker 3:We're looking at whoop. We're looking at whoop. This again yeah, this makes us better.
Speaker 1:You don't get whoop, I know but to go back to what you're saying, ninety six hundred percent, ah, you guys suck. Yeah, get some sleep. I think you have to allow yourself those, those mistakes, or oopsies.
Speaker 3:I agree. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:But like the difference between somebody who actually escapes the system or like is able to Be, you know, provide for that wealth for themselves, or growth or whatever. I do think that the difference between them and us is the same difference between an elite athlete and not. Is the willingness to take those steps or Un have uncompromising beliefs and values about these things. Yeah, yeah, that'll allow you to make that progress. I agree with that and if you want, if you don't want to be a peasant, I think you have to play the game like a fucking.
Speaker 1:I'm playing in the WHL this is this is I'm fine with this and I play like I'm in the fucking.
Speaker 3:Beer League. I'm like a. I'm like a double-a high school athlete that's the most all year league.
Speaker 1:But I don't, I don't, I want to be in the NHL.
Speaker 2:You know, you know what it is. This is where I think it's just funny. So mindset is is one of the the biggest keys to all this, I think, and that that's the difference to an elite athletes and not. So I got two new books recently that I've just started. One was Winning and one is relentless, and both by that Tim Grover guy who was like a coach for, like Michael Jordan twin, wade Kobe, anyway, but yeah, it's mindset, like those guys, those elite athletes like you, like McCaffrey, like it's just, it's a mindset difference from everybody else and that and that is that is the key but if, man, we're gonna beat this, we can almost move on because we're beating this to death.
Speaker 1:We have beat this.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'll leave it. I'll leave it at this. Somebody said this to me at work the other day was an interesting quote is like you get to choose Are you an amateur or are you a professional.
Speaker 3:That's a, that's a triggering phrase of the nursing home for some first up and you know what fucking?
Speaker 1:as it should be, because you do get to choose. Are you an amateur or are you a professional? Yeah, nobody else gets to choose. That you get, and probably step one in choosing. That is your mindset.
Speaker 3:Who's got a happier life?
Speaker 1:I'm thinking not the, not peasants. Yeah, an amateur professional, the professional. Every time, every fucking time.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to find I brought something down. It's every once in a while, but I'm gonna have it of like, when I think of something I want to talk about in the podcast, I write it down in my notes. Oh, I have an idea. Yeah, thank you for reminding me.
Speaker 1:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3:I did that. Mine was a question. I have some you guys.
Speaker 1:Did you say? You said question really weird question.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 1:Is that weird? Sounded weird.
Speaker 3:Quest question Queen Quincy, what?
Speaker 1:Anyway, anyway, what if do you?
Speaker 2:okay, two things Do you guys still carry your flashlights. Mine's not on me at the moment, it's on my bedside table.
Speaker 3:Do I fucking carry my flashlight Fuck yeah, I need one of those I am.
Speaker 2:Mine's usually with me, but it's on my bedside table we should buy me a flashlight.
Speaker 1:No, I'll buy me a flashlight, but we should buy a listener. A flashlight Sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm good with that.
Speaker 1:We should Thank you for listening. We're gonna buy one of these fuckers a flashlight. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 3:How do you hold that drawing?
Speaker 2:Let's do Instagram. Let's do it or like an X.
Speaker 1:No, I can't even get into our X. Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know what the password is Okay.
Speaker 1:we'll do an Instagram giveaway.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're giving away like that after I get my flashlight.
Speaker 1:I've been also trying to do that. Not well, because I hate my phone. I think we should all carry around like a piece of paper and a pen. Is that too much?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's too much to ask.
Speaker 3:Why is that?
Speaker 2:Because here's the thing like I get. You don't like your phone, but there's some good things about the phone One of them is I can just type it in my notes To replace notepad.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, I can't remember who I was listening to in a podcast, but they said that they get a lot more benefit out of using a pen and an opad than their phone.
Speaker 3:Okay, first of all, was it? Was it Eminem from Eight Mile Just sitting in the bus?
Speaker 2:Yeah, just spitting out my notes, just spitting rice.
Speaker 3:He had a pen and an opad.
Speaker 2:Okay, sorry, or you're a comedian that you have to write down your bits Okay what did you write down? So it was about growth mindset, and I can't remember where I heard it.
Speaker 2:Not on your side, but the whole point of the growth mindset is the idea that, like you're not there yet, but like the actual striving itself is the goal. It's like if we're focusing on the end result, we're not doing it right, because it's like if Buddhism is very similar like if you're focused on the happiness, you're never going to get it. If you want a brand new vehicle and you get it, you get that like, oh, happiness. But then it's like, oh, I have it, now it's gone. It's like you lose that thing, you lose that drive, that passion, that happiness is gone and you're already onto the next thing. So it's like it's not the actual end result that's the goal, it's the actual process of striving to the thing.
Speaker 2:So fitness is obviously a good example of this because, like, what is the end goal? Like in the end it's just trying to be fit for longevity. I think is, if we're kind of nailing it down to, we want to be fit for as long as possible so that we can continue to live the way we want to till we die. So it's a weird thing because it's not there used to be like when I was younger. It was like well, I want to be big, I want to be whatever the thing like there's like an end result that I was looking for, whereas now I'm kind of at the stage where it's like there's none of that, it's just it's the actual process that is the goal.
Speaker 2:That's the growth mindset idea that it's the actual striving and it's the actual process that becomes the actual I don't know what the word is I'm looking for that's where you find the value. The value is in the striving, not in the actual end goal, and that's kind of like the idea. So like the pleasure from effort like you're getting the pleasure is from the actual effort. So like going and rolling at 5.30 in the morning and learning these things, like there's there's not really an end goal, but it's like you're you're driving pleasure from the effort of showing up, putting in the work, being tired after learning some things Totally Cause you get up, like every time I get up for it I'm like fuck.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it sucks, I don't want to get up.
Speaker 1:I'm like it's over here like damn.
Speaker 2:I was glad I was there. And this is something else interesting. I read it was around the same thing, but this has to do with kids, and this is where it's difficult, because they it's there's there's things to show that reward for behavior diminishes the process. It looks so it's like and then and this is the cause we're bad at this as parents. It's like do this thing, I'll give you this.
Speaker 1:Yeah or don't do this thing I'll give you this.
Speaker 2:So the rewarding for behavior diminishes the actual process of the thing that they're supposed to be doing, because they're looking at the if I do this, I get this versus so and that's. You think about it. From example of like, if you're trying to get your kid to be more active or to do something, it was like okay, well, if you go, if you go downstairs and do a 20 minute little circuit, then you can do this thing. So the, the thing over here, the, the carrot, becomes the, the dopamine that they want and they don't. This is just like an obstacle in the way.
Speaker 3:Even during the process, they're thinking about the end Completely. So it's like trying to figure out a way to have that process be the goal, which is hard, especially from a thing from a parent perspective, but when we were kids it was different than not, so, like when I, when I would get up, we'd have to do chores and you did chores, because that is what you did. There was no thing at the end.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:You, just your family. The farm was better. That was about it. You had to do it.
Speaker 1:Which, which is tough right. Like it says, a kid doing chores and then say, like your reward is, you know, money in your piggy bank, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like maybe it's hard for a kid to be like no, no, no, I can actually use this money, like accumulate this money to do something else.
Speaker 3:But it's still, you're still yeah.
Speaker 2:But I think that's. That's the so the thing about like. Think about money, right, think about people who work to get the money. They work because they want the paycheck and obviously you, you have to have that process. You need to get a job so that you make money, so you can live. But I think that the money part becomes the end goal versus if you if I think we taught kids and people no, you need to figure out what it is that you enjoy here in the process part in the work part, and whatever this ends up being as a money part is, is the outcome. But if you find pleasure in your job, if you actually like your job right, and that becomes the goal and the money isn't the goal, then I think we'd be a lot more happy. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's tough right Because, like I, I like my job Right. I wouldn't say that I find pleasure in my job every day. No, I'd say that I'd probably more For sure it creates a zero money, but like then hypothetically the argument would be, is like you should be putting more time and energy into the things you like, more than the things that like right, yeah, and there's obviously like a that's obviously a point where that doesn't work, because you need to live.
Speaker 2:We have that money, you have to pay for the bills and the mortgages and all that stuff, but it's just like, anyway, it's an interesting. It's an interesting idea, especially when it comes to the idea of raising kids.
Speaker 1:Well, I've seen a lot of not a lot. I've seen a couple coaches talk about this with kids in competition for Jiu Jitsu is like you do, a lot of you can do, like not good things where. So, say, your kids in a competition has a match, loses the match, yeah, hey buddy, like yeah, you lost, like you'll do better next time or something, whereas versus like hey, that was a tough match, but look at the way like you held mount, you got your, you know like that was so much better, right Like the way like your mount control was like one improvement.
Speaker 1:Kids probably gonna be like, oh yeah, I lost. But like like some things are coming together Right and that's the process.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Much like the focus on like hey, the process is is your being. You're successful in the process.
Speaker 2:And on the flip side of that same same analogy you won your match, let's go get ice cream.
Speaker 1:But you didn't win your match, so now we'll only ice cream for the winners, which is actually something I think was the Gracie's they're talking about, like their dad, like they lose a match and get ice cream every time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think that there's something. Obviously it's. It's a weird thing because you think you're doing a good thing by rewarding that behavior or or not rewarding it, but in the end I don't think that's the right process.
Speaker 1:But that's as human beings, we are so reliant on incentives and reward, which is also that incentive. I don't know what the incentive is, but like the reward of your hour of Netflix at night is just dopamine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, completely. Yeah, I agree, I don't know. And then I'll just kind of tie this all up. Like, there's that book.
Speaker 2:I posted a while ago that I read something about how to talk to yourself and it's very, it's all about self-talk. And it's so weird because I find myself coming back to some of these like ideas that I discounted very much. So when I was kind of going down the what's the word? When I was going down the road of science you need to prove, things need to be proven like, like facts, like tangible, all these kinds of like I was very down that road.
Speaker 2:And now I'm coming back to like these weird things of of like belief in self-talk, like where it's such a, it is so important and it shows producible results in people where they just if they believe hard enough. It's just so weird, but like, and the ability to self-talk. So if I, if I so the words here were in the so, in the pain, so, while you're doing something that's tough, like even if you're like you're like you were getting up at 530 in the morning and it sucks, it's like I'm choosing to do this and I know that in the end I'm going to be, I'm enjoying myself in the process, like it's a choice. Yes, in the moment it's like I like the cold punches. I know you hate, you're everyone's tired of us talking about it, but but we're going to anyways we're going to continue.
Speaker 2:It's like every single time it sucks, but it but honestly, after I get my feet in and I kind of get myself lowered in, it's like I'm here now and it's just like a self-talk of I know, I like I'm kind of enjoying it, like I'm, I'm here, I'm in it.
Speaker 1:Enjoy the suffering.
Speaker 2:I'm just. I'm just. I know I'm going to hear I'm here for five minutes and I can. I can do this for five minutes. It's not the big deal and it's like, but it's like. The self-talk Cause if it in my head running, is another good example for me, because I hated it so much. But like now I'll do. Like the last time I did a 15K, today I'm going to probably do 10, but like, I'm just like in the, I don't think about it anymore, whereas before the self-talk in my head was very much this sucks. I hate it. Why am I doing this? But now it's very much like no, this is, I'm a runner.
Speaker 1:I can. I can do this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I find it. I've been like consistently cold plunging again, which has been really fun because it's also like way cooler than it was before. Yeah, um, is that like the weird thing trying to like cut down on the gap of time where, like I walked to the garage and I have a routine where, like I'll hang up my towel, hang up my house coat, fucking turn my timer on, turn a podcast on, start my whoop, but like there's that period where I just kind of walk around.
Speaker 2:Just kind of like delaying it. Fuck yeah, I still do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Very much. And eventually you're just like okay, I just kind of do this.
Speaker 2:I'd be done by now if I had just gotten in.
Speaker 1:And then you put your feet in and then you're like, hey, my feet are in time to get in. And then it's like boom going, yeah. And you're like, okay, I got five, I'm good. Like I'm cold, I'm good. It's so weird that, like that time period where you just fucking walk laps around your cold bunch before you get in, yeah, that's like just humans just delaying the inevitable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and had you just just walked straight out, jumped in, you'd have been done literally 15 minutes before. Yeah, I know I do. I do that a lot too, Some days worse than others. Anyway, I don't know it's. I think we've beaten this all to death and I just, I'm so jacked for my next family meeting.
Speaker 3:No, it's happening today, it's going to be.
Speaker 2:I just don't know, I just don't know the merit of going super like hard into it Like I think you, I think I honestly do think that you're going to you need to ease into it to some degree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think I've talked about the book Burn the Boats before on this podcast Burn the.
Speaker 1:Boats. I've kind of half done an audio book of it. It's a guy who he was like the press secretary for New York during 9-11, helped rebuild like the World Trade Center after it was blown up by the government. Oh, and he was like he helped build the new stadium for the jets. He did all these really cool things and the whole premise of the Burn the Boats is like like you got to just fucking commit Right Again. Like maybe it's just time to delete all my shit. Yeah, I don't know. Yes, it is.
Speaker 1:Not all of it, though Some of it Like if I like, I'll keep in. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I get it. You see, you're already making excuses.
Speaker 3:No, just just just give yourself. Take the SIM card out, no, yeah, and then once a day you get an hour to put that SIM card in and just go to town with X, no only because it's so hard to get the SIM card out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he need that little tool he need a paperclip. He need a paperclip. I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I think we've talked about a lot of things we have.
Speaker 2:We talked a lot about the SIM card.
Speaker 3:This went nowhere where we thought it was going to go.
Speaker 2:We didn't have a plan. Did you have a plan? I had no plan.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to ask you guys if you'd rather be married to a hardcore vegan or a hardcore Christian Hardcore.
Speaker 1:Christian no.
Speaker 3:Tom Segera said a 10 conversation at the end of this. I think just on the basis of it I would go with it. How does she look? It's your wife. It's your wife, and tomorrow she is either going to be a hardcore vegan or a hardcore Christian and she's got all these stereotypical things. You think those come with? Like, such as give me three for each Like oh, I'm going to try and influence everybody around me to do the same as I am.
Speaker 2:Which I think is both.
Speaker 3:You're married, so you don't have to worry about any of that, the Christian non married stuff Including. You have to follow their path.
Speaker 1:I have to be a vegan. Yeah, no, no, no. The choice is that I'm married to somebody, not that I have to now choose to be, like, religious or a vegan. I don't think I would choose veganism just because I could.
Speaker 3:I don't have an answer for this. Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2:It's a tough thing Because I know what entails on the one side.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like 10 out of 10 Christians.
Speaker 2:So your inability to go to church. Here's the Christian side if you're lack of respect of it and you're not willing this to go to church at some point, honestly, your marriage will be over. Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Also why I choose veganism.
Speaker 3:Can you get divorced? If you're like a 10 out of 10 Christian, they can right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they were there, they're a thing would be. Yeah, they can.
Speaker 3:Okay, Well, yeah, I could be mind veganism too, I think yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know the neighborhood is slowly becoming vegans.
Speaker 3:Yours.
Speaker 1:All of ours.
Speaker 2:It's an analogy, don't worry about it. Or metaphor, that's a metaphor To metaphor.
Speaker 1:You can explain it after Just make sure you put your pronouns in your email, not happening.
Speaker 3:We brought the pronoun party book here, it's okay.
Speaker 2:If you just it's not good on this one.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, yeah, like two hours later.
Speaker 1:I would like to, because you mentioned this podcast. Like we just sit here and we had no past today, right, right, no past. We used to have a path.
Speaker 2:Well, sometimes yeah, I would say 10% of the time we've had a path.
Speaker 3:I think a path would be good, because we do talk about the same things a lot.
Speaker 1:We do, but the past might. These conversations are also a lot better. Yeah, but I'm not like. Hey, let's talk about why Twitter is censoring everybody.
Speaker 3:You don't know in your future, in like three years from now, how much fun a family meeting is. You just you're going to find out.
Speaker 1:Are we keeping like? Are you going to do this meeting right now?
Speaker 3:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:You're going to get home and be like everybody gather.
Speaker 3:It's probably going to be this afternoon before supper. We're going to have a family meeting, talk, and it's going to be good.
Speaker 2:I have a bell. Why is your dog trying to break it down? You have a bell Because she has things like kids were outside.
Speaker 1:They'd ring it for dinner and the kids would call.
Speaker 3:Oh no, this no.
Speaker 1:Do you want to borrow it?
Speaker 3:No, I yell up the stairs and down the stairs 10 minutes, 10 minutes and then a five minute warning and then it's go time and usually take some 10 minutes to get up there.
Speaker 1:You're going to like dim the lights and play some ominous music. No, I turn the.
Speaker 3:I turn our fireplace on and I put our living room right. It's really bright to give it a good effect.
Speaker 1:I love family meetings but why don't you like hood up and do it a little bit more like a like a fucking dark society?
Speaker 3:What am I going to get? Like a paddle and just like, do it. Like. What are we talking about? I didn't put a hood on.
Speaker 1:Like I'm talking like you know, like some ominous, like hood candlelight, like not a white supremacist. Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 2:You say it was a white hood.
Speaker 3:Well, people are going to assume it's a white hood.
Speaker 1:If it's a hood, you know, a hood, or a red hood, like a handmade, stale kind of hood. No, like a dark, like you know you get a burning cross.
Speaker 3:Like what are those? Like doctor masks from back in the day with a long nose which also worked for COVID? Yes, very much so. Okay anyway, there's a lot of COVID talk in the last podcast I listened to and I'm just mad by the next time, I will have YouTube deleted off my kids devices and I'm very excited for it. How's your kids been? How's it been? Fine, fine, yeah, like zero, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm all in. So, so what are you deleting today? I'll have to commit here because I'm deleting Netflix today.
Speaker 3:Really Netflix? Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't have an answer for you. I don't want to make a commitment on air and then not do it. So give me let me.
Speaker 1:let me have a conversation with my wife. I was just going to say I'm deleting Netflix today, but I don't know if my wife yeah, exactly, let me have a conversation.
Speaker 2:It was our 17th wedding anniversary yesterday. Oh yeah, I know it's a long time, that's so old. We went to the water tower Really good.
Speaker 3:Can I be?
Speaker 2:speaking of.
Speaker 3:And like not super pricey.
Speaker 2:I wasn't cheap, but it was. It was very good.
Speaker 3:Like less than keg more than cost.
Speaker 1:About the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:On the topic of the water tower. I hate blocked phone calls. You know, when you get a private, you hate this as much as I do. Yeah, it certainly calls you from a block number and then doesn't leave a message or a text or whatever and you're like who the fuck called me?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fuck that person. I hate that as much as I hate random questions that I've not given any context for for weeks on end, Like hey, do you like the keg?
Speaker 2:Well, I couldn't. That one broke me for days. So I sent him a message asking no, I asked him.
Speaker 3:It's a simple question.
Speaker 1:The person, asked him hey, do you like the keg? And he's like yes.
Speaker 2:And I was like okay, and I just walked away, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then he couldn't leave it alone.
Speaker 1:I texted him and I was like what the fuck is going on? And then he's like you'll find out eventually.
Speaker 3:People have asked like text me stuff like that, you'll find out eventually.
Speaker 1:That's even worse.
Speaker 3:Yes, no, that's the bad part.
Speaker 1:That's bullshit right.
Speaker 2:Because you like the keg and I respond back to text.
Speaker 3:yes, I do, and then that's it. I'm fine with that. But if you were to say, yeah, I've learned to become comfortable with that because that was a really triggering thing. But then you come back with you'll find out in a bit. That's no.
Speaker 1:Well, he texted me. Yeah, Because I said why did you ask me that? And you're like well, don't worry about it. Yeah, he's like. He literally says don't worry about it.
Speaker 3:And I'm like well, no, I am worried about it. Oh, no, don't worry about it, that's fine. Yeah, exactly, thank you, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1:I'd be like Because it's like a don't worry about it. That's what the words say because you asked me a question with no context and I don't like that. What does it matter? It matters because, like I, want to understand the intent.
Speaker 2:And did you eventually understand Of?
Speaker 3:course I did. You need to get on that. Is it something you can control?
Speaker 1:And that's what I spent three days meditating about after he did that to me.
Speaker 2:It was a lesson I was teaching you a lesson. Yeah, and you broke me for a while. I taught you a lesson. That's amazing and in the end he found out why, and maybe he's all good this time.
Speaker 3:Was it anything that you did anything to do with anything?
Speaker 1:It wasn't what he thought, that's for sure it was definitely not what I thought it would be like being delayed gratification. It'd be like me going to you and being like Do you have any biotics in your closet? That's the way of question.
Speaker 3:So he says no.
Speaker 2:No, I don't, you should get some.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no. You can't do that, it's okay Did you give me something.
Speaker 2:I'm confused here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the point. And then I was just like don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be worried about it because I don't think you'd give me. We haven't been making out and I feel like you didn't give me anything. My immune system is a lot better than yours because you have a beta immune system.
Speaker 3:Maybe it's the beta in me. I don't need to know everything about what everyone's asking me stuff.
Speaker 2:Why focus on things you can't control? Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3:I used to, and then there was a therapist that told me that why focus on things? You?
Speaker 1:can't control, just get vaccinated, if I can anyway, yeah, don't.
Speaker 3:No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't, yeah, you wouldn't. You wouldn't get vaccinated, I wouldn't be worried about it, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I'd be worried thinking about it, but you can't control how they test the vaccine, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:I'm not worried about it because I don't put it in my body.
Speaker 3:I'm not worried about it at the table with a bunch of true bloods.
Speaker 2:No one, yeah, you're one. And what he wishes he was, he was, he was he had that drastically rigid to two who wishes.
Speaker 1:The problem is, I feel like I'm a smart person. Well, generally usually like I'm as averagely smart as anybody.
Speaker 2:I agree, but we, you would not see the light on this one, but so okay.
Speaker 1:I don't know how much longer we're going here, but it's the same thing with the fucking infinite banking system.
Speaker 3:Okay, at least at least 45 more minutes now.
Speaker 1:It takes me oh, I've realized as just who I am as a person, complicated issues that affect me. When there's like a whole bunch of information presented to me at the outset, it takes me a long time to process those information, that information, and come to like a real decision about how I feel and where my values relate to that. It happened with COVID.
Speaker 2:It happened with this you know I struggle with and I think I'm actually getting better, is like. So when I started this, you know I was.
Speaker 1:I was preaching was evangelizing as you do with everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as I do right and, and it drives me crazy when people don't see it like I see it and like same with the COVID thing. I was like, well, guys, I don't know, like, like, like, look at this stuff and everyone's like no, whatever. And so I've had to be, I've had to become comfortable with like people not being ready for certain information. It's like you can, you can. It's weird, I find it's weird.
Speaker 3:You can have. You gotten into things before and went, went all in and then realized, well, it's not that great.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2:That was worth it, but that's the thing is like sometimes you, certain people, aren't ready to hear a message, even though you know, you know or you believe that that message is something they need to hear, and so all you can do is present the information, try to explain why it's important or why you think it's beneficial, and then try not to get lose your mind when no one else is. That's how I felt about, that's how I felt about the COVID thing. That's how I feel about a little bit about the same for the bank. You think it's very beneficial for everybody. Most people, not everybody.
Speaker 1:most people have been official or and maybe like people, myself included, need to be more open to information, because I think that would shorten the loop of like, understanding, acceptance, whatever you want to like, whatever that looks like Because it's tough right, like the COVID thing, like and I mean we all.
Speaker 1:This is why I'm really frustrated that I got vaccinated, because, like we all did it out of like a, you know, it's easier to do it than not. Well, and that's a decision I don't like, right, that's a compromising decision that I'm not proud of. But also, like there was a degree of like, I Think this is the best course of action I have, based on the information I have at the time, except that the information I had at the time was so incredibly flawed, right, and that there was perhaps signs to that, pointers to that, saying like, hey, hold up red flag. Some of this information is wrong and flawed and just an outright lie in my opinion, and they were just ignored right.
Speaker 2:But that that's the stuff, I think, and from my perspective of it, where you try to share some of that information that you've seen, that maybe other people haven't, you feel like they either haven't seen or they Haven't taken With much. I don't know like I like the Peter McCullough stuff, like like again, a guy who's a world-renowned doctor, who's Same thing, guys, I don't know about this and then, but everyone's like, well, he's a kook all of a sudden. All of a sudden he's a kook. You're like, but this is literally the most published dude in the States when it comes to cardiology stuff. You're like everyone's calling him basically a liar now and you're like well, like, anyway.
Speaker 2:That's the kind of thing that for me, was super frustrating when it's like, okay, but there's this other side of information, that's he being silenced, or at least no one's taking real, and that that's where I was like, okay, well, all I can do is show this is what I'm seeing and this is why I have some doubts, and then, whatever you guys make a decision, you make a decision, but or you just go like I'm like right in the middle, where I just trusted the government and I literally did.
Speaker 3:The guy was like, ah, that they got our best interest in mind and I just did it. And then I'm like holy shit. Now I see why people don't?
Speaker 1:that's also, and I think you and I, like I suspect our parents, were of the same mindset, like I was just 100%.
Speaker 3:yeah, they got us.
Speaker 1:It's all good yeah and my parents still to this day. They're like you know. They have our best interest at heart, which is so fucking not true. I could think of a group of people that couldn't have our best interest at heart less than the government. Right, yeah, and it's just how you raised, right yeah, I trust the government Well.
Speaker 2:I was my parents fault it took the back.
Speaker 1:I think your upbringing may have had something to do with it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, but that's that's how it was back then. The government's got us it's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, and there's still that a little, not as much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't trust them at all.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, I see what you're saying. I just I again. I personally I've had to become comfortable with Just people not not seeing it the way you see it right, which is tough and and and it's tough, but it's understandable. I mean, it happens in lots of things, right.
Speaker 1:But you'd get a nursing home where you go, perhaps deal with some patients, right, you're like, hey, like. From my objective viewpoint, there's some really easy answers to these problems right, yeah. Unfortunately, because you are so embroiled in your issues right, can't see them completely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, completely, and that's how people are in general. They, some people, just aren't ready for certain information, which is frustrating, especially when it's like you feel like it's fairly objective information and they're just like no, can't see it, no, they're wrong, and like. This obviously is the rabbit hole of religion as well, and maybe that's why I was hesitant, because I kind of grew up coming out of that system where I was like Just believe, because you have to believe, it's just there's no answer. Faith, faith is the answer. It's not really like there's no actual tangible thing. And so I wasn't I'm not, I wasn't willing to just be like oh, that's the okay, I just have to believe, I just have to believe the government has my interest in our bar, versus like, let me look at other other information. Yeah, show me the ingredients of your cake. Yeah, exactly, anyway, I don't know what we got in that for.
Speaker 1:I don't know it's, I don't know that the podcast, the Brett Weinstein podcast. Great, I need to listen that one you do, because he also talks about how AIDS is very similar to some of this.
Speaker 2:So I saw that, I saw that and I saw Michael Schermer. The skeptic yeah, and he does a little bit crazy on some things. But he also was very much skeptical about literally everything, and so he said we had literally did an article about the thing that you're saying, claiming back in the 90s in our magazine and we explained it. So again, you have to take everything with a grain of salt, I think.
Speaker 1:But well, and that, and maybe that's the problem is, every Single thing now has to be taken with a grain of salt, and exactly so.
Speaker 2:how do you and that's the thing is so how do you Trust anything? Yeah, or how do you devise what is true, what isn't true? It's impossible, it's impossible.
Speaker 1:Peasants, we shall stay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna make an itinerary for the family, probably my wife could take minutes.
Speaker 2:You probably should. Otherwise you're gonna because you didn't take minutes on the podcast.
Speaker 3:I made a list of my plan to get rid of my phone. That's about it.
Speaker 1:And we'll discuss some, some steps today, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah we shall discuss next time, if you do.
Speaker 3:Have fun with mr Beast kid. You won't see him after today because YouTube is gone.
Speaker 2:It's honestly. It was an easy fix and it wasn't. It hasn't caused that many giant issues to be.
Speaker 1:Who are we, who are you having on the podcast next? Well, we need to have the radical apathy boys yeah but how do we get them scheduled when we can't even get ourselves? Yeah, that's a problem, it's okay schedule in the future. Three days in the past.
Speaker 3:Let's put three dates in in the next three weeks.
Speaker 1:What can we hear, can we? You can stop listening now, everybody. We could also stop the podcast.
Speaker 3:We're not attached to these things. This is not like the matrix, and we have to.
Speaker 1:I was just wondering can we get a scheduling app? We could, yeah, there is text message, no, no, no, no, like a counter, like a joint calendar, where it's like hey, like I'm on a schedule, like why don't we just put like when you guys, when we figure a podcast, I just put it in my calendar.
Speaker 2:You're the only one who schedule is really a problem, and how is your schedule the problem?
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. You are aware of what. My schedule is right, different than ours.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's got the he's the problem because he does?
Speaker 3:he has more time off and yeah, less responsibilities.
Speaker 1:I also wear, like like both of you, I wear a number of hats.
Speaker 3:Yes, you have a hat that takes up a day every few weeks. All right, all right.
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