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# 37: Shifting Gears Between Teaching Teens and Tackling Tech
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Caught between the joy of my daughter's burgeoning independence and a pang of parental anxiety, I faced the ultimate rite of passage: teaching her to drive. Our latest episode isn't just a reflection on the nuances of guiding a teenager behind the wheel; it's a deeper conversation about how technology is reshaping our skills and connections. From pondering the fate of manual transmissions to debating the integration of subscription services into family life, we peel back the layers on how our day-to-day interactions are evolving.
As we wade through the digital quagmire, our discussion turns reflective, questioning whether our online spaces truly represent us or if we're just cogs in a content-laden machine. The Dunbar number makes an appearance, sparking a debate on the potential of a social media platform designed for more personal interactions. We share our experiences wrestling with the dilemma of constant connectivity, suggesting ways to strike a balance that doesn't compromise our digital sanity.
The fabric of this episode is woven with tales of personal challenges and the pursuit of self-improvement, where we examine everything from financial independence to the psychological tug-of-war between work and wellness. We don't shy away from the hearty debates – would life partnered with a hardcore vegan or a devout Christian stir the pot more? And when the information avalanche threatens to sweep us away, we stand firm in our belief that a touch of analog simplicity might just be the antidote we need. So, gear up for an episode that doesn't just skim the surface, but dives – without cliché – into the heart of modern parenting, the allure of technology, and the quest for meaningful connection.
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Driving Skills and Technology Advancement
Speaker 1I was having ways, sir. There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow. Who nobility is being superior to your fellow. Everyone feels the same way you do.
Speaker 2Alright. So what you do right now, it makes a difference. You must have lost your vacuum Context.
Speaker 1Oh, there you go. Hi friends, it took a minute, but here we are.
Speaker 2Welcome to episode number 37 of the Aver Superior podcast. Welcome. I'd like to start this episode off with an apology. I don't know why, but last time I was distracted Actually I do know why, but I apologize. I was distracted and we abruptly ended the podcast and I went home and it was yeah. I'd like to say I'm sorry, friends, apology accepted. And Tony, I know you're listening. I am sorry to you as well.
Speaker 1Were you distracted by the piece of technology that consumes all of your existence? You?
Speaker 2know what I was thinking about this on the way over here. I think it's the only time that I have been during the podcast and the reason was my daughter was at something and I was kind of like not super comfortable with her being there with I don't know why she was fine. Kids are weird, right. It's weird that, like you, at a certain point they're getting independent and you're letting them go do things and they're with their friends and you're like do I trust their friends?
Speaker 3No, they didn't involve boys.
Speaker 2No, no, they was fine. Like she should have been having something fine, but then yeah anyway, what is it?
Speaker 1You got four years until she starts driving. Yeah.
Speaker 2Well, she's four, she just turned 14 and she took her learner's last week. Did not pass, so she's got it again this week. Deep down inside, were you like good. No, I want her to I want her to, because I honestly want. I want two years of driving with her before she's allowed to drive by herself, because she's kind of a distracted person, and so I want her, I want to be around while she's learning.
Speaker 1So yeah, I have always had a dream. I have a dream. Oh wow, I'd like to teach kids how to drive, but not like, not like a driver's ed guy with a pedal on the right side. That's just like Hammering the brake, yeah, with the plexiglass between you and the other, the driver, because you're so scared of COVID. That's what they do now.
Speaker 3Teach decision making when it comes to driving.
Speaker 1Well, you can appreciate this. I'd like to teach proper, actual vehicle control.
Speaker 2Oh, yeah, Right, like here's how to control it Oversteer, understeer, well, and that would, I agree, it would be good to like, force them to, to get into some of those situations right Versus like drivers that, okay, don't have a parallel park? Well, how about, no, let's take a corner super hard and see what happens. What do you do when your car starts going?
Speaker 1out of control. Because, if you don't do that, you're going to end up like me at 18. Going 180 down deer foot Like an idiot yeah.
Speaker 3Let them lose control of the vehicle so they feel what it's like and no one they're going to lose control In a controlled environment Exactly.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's just to preface that I wasn't the driver. That's admirable.
Speaker 3I think that's a shit thing.
Speaker 2I got a when I was 21. Maybe I got myself a. I leased myself because I'm a moron and I decided I needed a new vehicle A Cobalt SS supercharged standard which I'd never driven and it did some stupid things with that car, like saying how fast it could go and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1Which every kid has done For sure. Or every, every man right, yes, like, fortunately, your daughter probably won't see how fast your Subaru can go I hope not, but your son he's going to find out.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's true, but that's the interesting thing about like newer vehicles too, like our, the Subaru is all wheel drive, so I love driving that thing in the snow. Like it just feels amazing, like versus, you know, rear wheel or front wheel. It just it's so much different. So, depending upon what your kid ends up getting used to, it's very, very different. Feel right, and they won't have that. And who knows what happens with cars in the future of the technology, like there'll be a some point where we're not even driving them.
Speaker 1So right, which is interesting, though. Right Like, the more technology you get, the less competencies required on part of the driver Like I just bought a new. So not new, I bought a new to me truck Last week.
Speaker 2I didn't notice.
Speaker 1You see when you leave. It has ABS, but only in the back wheels.
Speaker 2Really yes.
Speaker 1Because in 2000, that was the technology like four wheel ABS was an option and this truck didn't come with it. So the front wheels, when you step on the brakes, they lock up right, which is fine. But if you know that and you know how to deal with that, right now today's drivers, today's young people, would have a meltdown and I mean generally, they probably will have a meltdown anyways if they had to like some type of like rapid braking situation. But it's like technology just kind of levels that playing field a whole lot.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's weird. I don't know what that I mean. I think it's bad overall for our abilities with certain things like driving. But again it's like but is it a needed skill if all of our cars drive themselves in five years?
Speaker 3Yeah, reversing's changed the game too, though. Oh yeah, you can back a trailer up now with the programming inside of it?
Speaker 2Yeah, completely. But is it necessary? I don't know Well again we're relying on all this technology, which, I mean obviously can break. I don't know.
Speaker 1I just it brings down the base level of competence behind the wheel right.
Speaker 2So if we're not needing, so if we don't need the competence, but if it's not needed, then yeah, sorry, yeah. Well, if we're not needing it, then okay, but then what? You would assume that opens up avenues to have that competence somewhere else, but I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1No, and I also think like so, when you drive your new Subaru, your new car that has all this driver assist technology, when you go to backup, maybe it helps you back up. But you also understand how to back up because you have that like base level skill set that existed without the technology to assist you. By and far you're going to be able to make better decisions. Like hey, this is going off the rails, the computer is making the wrong decisions. Or like, hey, like I could do a better job. Or you know, I can see things that the computer can't comprehend. Like I fucking can see the person walking out from the store 15 feet away that's going to need to walk in front of their car to get in, so maybe I'll leave them a little bit of room, or shit like that right, yes and no.
Speaker 2That's that's the weird thing is like. So ours just has, like the back view. But my uncle's truck, he's got a new like F 150. It has somehow I don't understand how it has an over okay, almost like a picture from yeah, an aerial view.
Speaker 1I'm like how does it do this?
Speaker 2And it shows, like it shows literally everything on all sides of the vehicle as it's backing up and. I do not understand. I know it's just cameras, but it just doesn't make sense to me and like so for that. It's like you can have 100%. You have a 360 degree view of your vehicle as you're moving and it just it's crazy, some of the things that are getting put into vehicles, and then if you have a Tesla, it can do it itself. It can pull out a parking spot itself.
Speaker 1I just and I digress, I think it would be. It is a valuable skill, I think, for kids to learn. Young young kids or adults, or whatever they're called now like to learn how to control a vehicle.
Speaker 2I think they're called the category that they're in, so if they're teenagers, they're older, they're teenagers, that they're kids, they're kids whatever you call them, they're younger than us, that's about it.
Speaker 1People who are new drivers should learn. It should be prioritized that you need to learn to control a vehicle in adverse situations. That is just not taught.
Speaker 3I agree. I agree with that, but there's no technology that defeats that. Like, traction control sucks, but there's no technology that defeats that. But the reversing thing if the technology is good enough, why do they need to know exactly how to parallel park, when to cut the wheel, all that kind of stuff, if the technology is good enough?
Speaker 2Yeah, because I think we're just assuming at some point technology is going to be broken.
Speaker 3That's exactly what I assume, yeah.
Speaker 2At some point it just won't work, or like it'll get wrecked, and then so they just.
Speaker 1they don't know what to do and they panic and or you find yourself in a situation where you're driving a vehicle that doesn't have that technology True, right, or you have to. That technology has failed, a sensor has failed, there's, I don't know. I think there's going to be a like competence is never going to hurt you.
Learning to Drive and Analog Experiences
Speaker 2I think that's why it's important. That's why I want her to get her learners sooner than later, because I want to have two years of letting her drive versus. I wonder if a lot of parents don't let them drive as much or they're worried like okay, you can drive here but you can't drive in the city, or you can drive versus, I don't know. I think as much experience as possible while you're with them is at every possible like on the highway and in the city. Obviously, where I live, I'm concerned about the major highway, getting across it into the town and that's just going to be. I need to be comfortable with her decision making and her ability to like gauge distance and speed and all these kinds of things that I know that I feel comfortable with before I let her do. That Is your super and automatic.
Speaker 1Yeah, I was going to bring the manual thing.
Speaker 3There's no manuals anymore.
Speaker 1No, there is.
Speaker 3It's not prominent. It's not prominent Like it wasn't weird.
Speaker 1I get that. It's the millennial car alarm, whatever they call it the car.
Speaker 3yeah, the anti theft thing.
Speaker 1I still think that's a must have, that's a non-negotiable skill, in my opinion.
Speaker 2I didn't learn it until I literally bought myself a vehicle that had it, but now you have that skill.
Speaker 2For sure. In my head I was like I can do this, I know I can do this. It was like a weird. It was over confidence is what it was. Like I 100% had. No, I didn't have any problems doing it. I definitely could get for me to be. I wasn't good at it at first, but it was like I understand it versus. I think a lot of kids would just be panicking, not understand or even get what that means.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think I was in the same boat as you, yeah.
Speaker 3My kids will probably never drive a vehicle that have this. They'll never be encountered Like they'll never have that encounter.
Speaker 1But would there not be merit in you going to buy a thousand dollar Honda Civic for them to let just learn on or drive for a year, not?
Speaker 3something they're ever going to touch. No, but how do you know? I don't. That's their first car.
Speaker 1They'll touch it. I think they'll go for a couple of laps and then they'll go.
Speaker 3Yeah, and then there we go.
Speaker 1Honda Civic is all you have.
Speaker 3There, yes, in an exited circumstance, I think I would want them to have that skill?
Speaker 1I guess yes, or things like, I think, because I was like much the same as JB, like my dad, and credit to my dad. I never realized, maybe, why he was such a stress case teaching me how to drive until, like, I realized how stupid kids were.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Like learning to drive in the big city oh, that'd be completely different. Like downtown, oh my God.
Speaker 3I can't believe he did that with me, so that was your first, because I grew up in 80% town and we drove farm equipment all the time. So we never, I never, had that experience. Yeah, the first time I got in a vehicle at 15 and a half because it's still 15 and a half, I think in Manitoba to get your learners Seriously, yeah. Wow, it's 14 here, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 215 and a half too late in the game. Well, that's something. I think so, because again they can get their license in half a year versus two years of driving with your parent like where you have to be observed. I like that man. 14 is pretty young though.
Speaker 1Like it is 15 years, six months. I even think now, like I remember I got my driver's license at 16 and was like, yeah, like I know what's up.
Speaker 2I know how to drive, like all 16 year olds.
Speaker 1I'm scared that 16 year olds have driver's license.
Speaker 3Yeah, see, I am too. But then I'm thinking like 14 seems so, and that highway crossing that you have. I'm like, oh man, that's the first time when it's like okay, here you go, buddy, it's all you by yourself. It'd be nerve wracking for you if you're not in the vehicle.
Speaker 2I will be. I'll deal with that in two years, yeah.
Speaker 3I like that. I like the 14, because they have two years to familiarize themselves with that prior. To 15 and a half. I think I'll be better.
Speaker 2I think I'll be better than my wife with her. I don't think that's going to go very well. So I think, it'll be me driving with her mostly, yeah, but I digress.
Speaker 1I think yes in the city.
Speaker 3Yeah, you're driving there.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I learned how to drive on a standard in the city. My dad just got sick of me Like I did. I remember I was like at an intersection, panicking in his Pontiac vibe GT and like like I stalled it, stalled it to him again and he yelled at me and he was like let's go, you're blocking traffic and.
Speaker 1I was like ah, I revved it up, dropped the clutch, just fucking peeled out. But I never really learned how to drive a standard until I got my first car, which was a standard, and then I just you, teach yourself, yeah.
Speaker 2But with less pressure, right?
Speaker 1I think there's something to be said also for, like as a kid, just getting the chance to figure that out yourself and learn some of these things. Like. I like, go buy your kid like a Honda Civic, park it up front and be like go.
Speaker 3Yeah, but my mind was a grain truck when I was like 13, 14, cause we used to just drive to the field, pick it up to the green bin back and forth and that was a standard.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that's a skill level, but my first vehicle was a standard too, so like but my kids won't.
Speaker 3I don't even know. Are there? Are there a lot of standards out there right now, if you?
Speaker 2go to buy one. Yeah, you can, probably, I'm sure, like you'd have to?
Speaker 3would it have to be like a special order, Like you?
Speaker 1need a.
Speaker 3I don't even know if they're prevalent anymore.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know. I also thought that skill like transfers, like, say, your kid wants to get his first job on a farm, or something like that, and they still have like a base level of like some.
Speaker 3I would like my kids to be good at everything, but at that point our kids are going to be like in the metaverse, getting a job somehow. They'll be controlling it like a robot with their headset on at the farm. The farm, the robot's doing work, but they're just like doing job simulators.
Speaker 2They'll have Oculus Quest sevens and they'll all be just working, working online.
Speaker 3I also did a free trial of power wash simulator.
Speaker 2If you were telling me your boy likes it.
Speaker 3I could see why it's a dead thing.
Speaker 2It's so weird.
Speaker 3So it's so addicting, but it's so pointless, so stupid. I mean, granted, all games are pointless because you really don't earn anything, right. They are in a sense.
Speaker 2For sure, but but like literally washing dirt off of things, I watched this.
Speaker 3I watched this semi. It took me like 20 minutes. I got done. I'm like that was really enjoyable and I deleted it. I'm like this is too, because in that time you could have washed your own car Exactly, but it's like it's just that.
Speaker 2It's that, like I said before, it's that weird thing of like I can see what I'm doing. It's like it's cleaning this portion.
Speaker 3Progress.
Speaker 1I'm doing this, but in line with the whole theme we're talking about. There's too much digital, non-lump analog. Yeah, we need more analog experience.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Like the manual transmission, like lighting a fire, making a fire.
Speaker 2That brings me to this morning. So my kid got up and was watching a show and he's been obsessed with this show Young Sheldon, it's like big bang yeah. It's been big bang.
Speaker 3That's his show.
Speaker 1He's been obsessed with it.
Speaker 2And it's actually pretty hilarious. But yeah. Have you watched it, unfortunately, but I told him, but I was like I'm so sick of it so I'm like no more, watch something else. And then he spent the next half an hour scrolling through Netflix and I started thinking. I was like this word.
Speaker 3Too many options.
Speaker 2Wait a minute. I was like I should delete everything and give him like we'll keep prime, because prime that you can go to like Stack TV, where there's like what's on right now, it's like a global or like whatever. These shows are on right now. Pick one of the things that are on. You have no other choices.
Speaker 3Oh, it's 10 minutes in Too bad kid Exactly.
Speaker 2And I kind of want to go back to that because it was driving me insane that he just was like blankly staring as he scrolled a million times through and through and through and through.
Speaker 3I've done that. Oh, we all have done that. And then you end up watching the thing you've watched before, exactly. Oh, family guy, it's great Blacklist. I'll turn that shit back on.
Speaker 2Exactly, I guess, like we're too many choices almost, but let's talk about that.
Speaker 1This is going to be an hour long thing I have, so many things to talk about, because I was also thinking about this the other day. We've gone back to the same system as before. I just downgraded my Netflix to peasant Netflix because it's fucking insanely expensive. Yep, what's the peasant?
Speaker 3Yeah, and.
Speaker 1I don't know. It's like one or two ads per show, right yeah? There's not much, but you get a minute long ad and, like I did I haven't experienced this, but my wife was telling me she's like it's the same two ads, right. So like you get, add one, add two in that minute and it's blue, and then you get the next minute as lot, it's the same ad one, same ad two. We've all gone back to the same fucking system that Netflix was supposed to defeat.
Impact of Technology on Family Bonding
Speaker 1Yeah right and like. So here's, here's. The thing is like it's obviously because they want ad revenue, right, because we are like the product, yes, right, and it's the same thing. That net where sorry, it's the same thing that X kind of said, is that Remember when Elon Musk said that he was adding a subscription fee to Netflix to remove us from being the product?
Speaker 3for those advertisers. Yeah, yeah, Twitter acts.
Speaker 1What did I say?
Speaker 3No, that's excuse me, the old access.
Speaker 1Yeah, so, like Elon Musk said, like hey, we're adding a subscription free, subscription fee because by paying a subscription fee, you are no longer the product right or the right and now relying on ads. Except we pay a subscription fee to Netflix, and we are now still also the product.
Speaker 2Right, but in their, in their view and I agree, but in their view you're paying $20 less per month. Right, which is a lot. But what's the answer to this? Because this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3Going back to two, channels to oh, two and a half, yeah, you get that fuzzy one these channel three Kind of get a little sometimes you get so far, sometimes you can't.
Speaker 2Yeah, there's, there's no going back.
Speaker 3But that that would you like to for a month yeah, just a month of like our kids live in, like it's 1990. Oh for sure that'd be so cool.
Speaker 2Oh it would break them.
Speaker 3I don't know.
Speaker 2I think they're gonna just quick. To be honest, I feel like there would be a painful couple days, yeah, and then it's like this is how it is now and they would figure it out you think the getting rid of the phones and that like type of contact with their friends would be the hardest.
Speaker 2Yeah, and just like in entertainment on demand, like, yeah, I want to watch this now, I would not. What is on TV now? Right, that's why I said before in here that I put my foot down when we're driving. Well, I want to listen to this. No, whatever's on the radio is what we're listening to. Yeah, no, you don't get to. You don't get all of your way all of the time, every single second of the day. Well, I want to listen to the song? No, it's not. Is it on the radio right now? Then we're not listening to it.
Speaker 3I guess part of your job too like you're doing a good job as a parent being that constant gratification blocker. It sounds dumb, but they just can't have yes all the time. It can't be Disneyland dad all the time. Yeah, it's hard I struggle.
Speaker 2I mean, that's things we personally, as adults, struggle with it, right. And so how do you expect Kids developing who obviously they're controlled by their emotions and dopamine and wanting to like get the Pleasure now or the thing now, and we as adults, you think that we were better at a bit, a bit at better at like delaying that? Oh, but we're, we're not that much better. So it's like, how does a?
Speaker 3I don't know we're, we're not losing battle with all that every in the weekends, we wake up and in like cuz we're did Monday to Friday. So we wake up on the weekend, saturday morning. I have my coffee, the kids have their breakfast and then it's like, okay, two years ago it was this. Okay, let's all sit down. Everybody sit down. Saturday morning we're gonna watch a cartoon. You guys pick your cartoon. We have her. We ever set shows this, whatever right, sonic Prime is the one we're doing right now. I, by the way, sonic Prime is a pretty good kid, but now it's turned into Saturday mornings and it drives me fucking. Not Saturday morning. So, okay, okay, guys, I got my coffee, mom's got her coffee, we've all eaten breakfast. Let's sit and watch the show together. Guess what it is? It is YouTube videos which drive me. I don't eat it.
Speaker 3You, oh my god. And then my daughter's like well, can I have the iPad, cuz I don't like this YouTube video. I'm like no fucking not my boys like well, can I, I'm gonna play fortnight with that the screen time, right? I'm like no, it's not screen. Is his family watching? One thing where you can feel fucking hate it you watch the one thing together and my wife and I just a we're. Every it's driving us up the wall. I don't know if that's consistent.
Speaker 2No, it is consistent. The videos, it's like videos and videos. Mike, you and JJ, my crap. No, I literally deleted YouTube off of all the days. I took it off of the iPad. I'm gonna do it off my PlayStation and they still sneak it, I think, on a computer here and there, but like no, you cannot watch this anymore.
Speaker 2No, okay, I I yep, I'm all for it, I just like I've had enough, and I agree with you like it's up. It's like if they don't, if my youngest is the worst of this, but if it's like a show that he's not immediately entertained wasn't his decision. He lasts about five minutes. Then he's like, oh, what else could I do? 100%. You're like, no, no, you're gonna. You're either gonna sit and watch this or I don't. You can go outside, I don't care, but you're not going on something else.
Speaker 3So I approached that bridge today and you thought I would have told them like oh yeah, by the way, I'm putting the cat down, like everyone was just fucking losing their marbles go to the garage right now to gas the cat. It was terrible, though, and I just it. So what happened? The reason I did that today? Because, like on Friday and Whatever, be honest, my wife and I we had some got me's and we watched old-school intros for TV shows like family matters, care Bears, that's the kind of thing.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, oh, we got in hard. It was. I was living back, I gave it with a time machine, cheers, all that stuff, and remember like, yeah, I didn't really like this show that much, but I remember watching at my grandma's house. We had to sit down. You remember the commercial breaks where you run away and then your sisters or your brothers like hey, it's back on you fucking washing your hands really quick.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's so good for people, I feel, and it just brought back this big nostalgic thing and we're like we don't fucking do that anymore. We have like one show that we kind of watch with the kids, but then they have their YouTube videos and their own YouTube personalities they watch in their fortnight and all that stuff and there's no TV used to be a bonding thing in a sense, almost yeah, for families.
Speaker 2I don't know if they seem with you guys. I think it's a separate. I think it's. I agree that we have too many. We have too many devices that we can all watch our own thing on. Yeah, now it's like you're so human, even if you're sitting there, it's like you realize. Okay, you're on your phone, you're looking at that.
Speaker 1Yeah, everybody like I, like you're I'm watching To show, I'm like I'm not really into it, right?
Speaker 2Twitter, I know, I know yes, we suck, we all suck bad.
Speaker 1but yes, it's bad, bad yes but we've talked about this and, like I, did it for a little bit and of course, now I'm just right back on my phone.
Speaker 2What?
Speaker 1point is it time for like drastic action, like.
Speaker 2I don't know when the tipping point but like I don't know, because Right now, right now.
Speaker 3When's the best time of night at three? Right now.
Speaker 2Okay, right, but.
Speaker 3I'm getting riled up. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2Are we just living in this? Are we? We're just being nostalgic for this? Should be like three middle-aged dudes complain about yeah, at times, that's what the new podcast name is Three middle-aged dudes, you're right current times but you're right, my wife about that.
Speaker 3I was like, are we complaining about this because it's necessary or because we used to have it this way? This nostalgic what?
Speaker 2do we want? I think it. I think it's better, both. I think there's nostalgia, for sure, but I also, legitimately, and I think most people would agree think that there are things about all of our current technology that's killing us. It's like it's terrible for humanity to some of the ways that we're moving, but it's. Is it stoppable and is it doesn't even make sense to try and stop it? Or do you just figure out a way, brain and move forward?
Speaker 3I don't know, maybe, but this ain't the way. Well, I think there's. There's massive benefits. So last year, november, december, big brother the last big brother season of the states was on and my wife and I PBR the whole thing. And then they had a holiday, holiday spectacular like a big brother. This is out there be appointed, by the way, a big brother festival kind of thing. So there's six episodes of big brother all Christmas, based with old big brother people coming back right.
Speaker 3Anyway, my kids Really like big brother and so we said, yeah, there's six episodes here, we're gonna watch it 8 pm On Thursdays, and that's when it's gonna start and we're gonna play it, and that's it. Then, when 8 pm On Thursday rolled around, they clean their stuff up. Everything was done. We're all sitting there. We had like a 10-minute strategy talk about who, what players should do what, who they should kick out, who they should nominate and then we watched the show together and it was fucking magical.
Speaker 1Magical. You sound like you have so much fun sometimes at home.
The Dilemma of Digital Distraction
Speaker 3Sometimes. But but it was. It was fucking magical and that is what it used to be. You remember getting around the TV watching like family matters, like oh, what's Carl gonna do this episode, and you talk to your family about it.
Speaker 2Well, yeah, like when you had literally it was like Tuesdays, there's the show, the new show came on. Yes, you know you had like the TV guide, or you knew that on Tuesdays the law and order, whatever.
Speaker 1But is that the trick is like having scheduled TV.
Speaker 3Well, we just said it was happening this time because they made it good for their bedtimes or whatever.
Speaker 1Right, but like it got in the day, remember, you pull and open the TV guide, being like oh, when is my show? Oh, it's Thursday at 7 pm. Okay, like I'll fucking got a set the VCR to record it or whatever, yeah it could be, but the problem still is that there's structure.
Speaker 2You can. You can create that structure, but at the end of the day I could go right now and watch the thing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1Like you can try to instant gratification completely.
Speaker 2Come, I agree, but the point is you can't, we can't change that now. That's, it's the cat, the cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 1We can, you're right, we can, but you can make decisions about it. You just got to hold the remote.
Speaker 3Yeah, and then when the kids, like I, got a pee pause, that you're like nope, you wait for a commercial and you hold it in like I used to hold it in buddy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1I don't know. I yeah, I think you're right. I don't this.
Speaker 2I agree that something I just I feel like we're banging our head against the wall and we're trying to change things that are not Changeable but you have to do something that is the whole point of all of this is you have to be doing something to try and move the needle in the right direction.
Speaker 3It is not. Is this not the right direction? Well, I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1I was talking about. It probably is.
Speaker 3I'm getting fired up on the hill.
Speaker 1I hate my phone. I hate it so much and I can't stop it's. It's tied to my fucking hand Like I am gonna get Really worked up today.
Speaker 3Yes, yes cuz, cuz.
Speaker 1Like again when I stop at a fucking red light, like I don't need to check my mail. I know what my email said, cuz I looked at it 10 minutes ago.
Speaker 2Yeah, I.
Speaker 3Don't know. Are we gonna have to like John was?
Speaker 2but here's so group chats. No, it's fine, group chats like like there's just things that like you're not, you're gonna, that are almost necessary now right, but the thing is is there's unlimited bandwidth on your phone. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1So if you know, that was like you're allowed to have two group chats. Pick your most important two. You'd have to make some hard fucking decisions, right and like.
Speaker 2I don't know.
Speaker 1We develop self-control, yeah but that's I would suggest the people around this table have, on a global average, above sure average self-control and we still get it.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're still just getting cocked by Apple.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, apples, yeah, I mean okay, let me ask you this you said two months ago you wanted to get rid of your PS5.
Speaker 3Yeah, but I didn't know.
Speaker 1Correct. Would you be willing to get rid of your PS5 at this juncture?
Speaker 3probably no hell, divers too is out. I don't think it's.
Speaker 1It looks amazing? Probably no. Are you looking up flip phones?
Speaker 3Yes, I am. I'm shopping on Amazon, sorry.
Speaker 1No, this is good, cuz I'm using my device. To distract myself to what about a flip phone that can run iOS? But again, well, I you to like it. Does it chats? Yeah it doesn't.
Speaker 3You're gonna be a green. You're gonna be that green Apple and the blue. I don't but flip phones.
Speaker 2I don't think can have group chats. I don't think cuz you'll be there'll be single texting people. You'll be like T9 texting back in the day.
Speaker 1I like T9 texting. What if? What if we all just deleted everything off our phone and started fresh All apps?
Speaker 2Well, what about my Tim Hortons app? I need that. I get points. Yeah, what about spot I? What about? Well, you get to pick three podcasts.
Speaker 1We'll give you three that you need, like you really need like Spotify, yeah, facebook audible, I need audible.
Speaker 3I'm getting fired up because, like you, you were telling me about you, like do you have your family meeting? No, you didn't. No, oh, you haven't, don't you have family meetings. Cj here hasn't had a family meeting yet.
Speaker 2No, it's a little too young to understand.
Speaker 3It's coming buddy. That's when you call the entire family into one room and you, you preach and you hold church in there for like 15, 20 minutes and give my life lesson. It is my oh my wife gets so happy when I call a family meeting cuz she's gonna watch me shine it and I really want to do a family meeting about this stupid YouTube videos.
Speaker 2It's not that hard I did. I didn't do one about you just literally deleted it and they couldn't find the app anymore, like where to go, like it's gone. Can they browser base it?
Speaker 1Yeah, you do don't yeah, cuz that's that's inconvenient actually Can we come up with an action plan Like what if we had a meeting right now, like a family meeting? Like here's how we're gonna detach ourselves from the machine.
Speaker 3I will film mine that I'm having later today. We'll put it. You can put it on X and all that stuff, I don't care.
Speaker 2You go put it on the things that we're don't want to use anymore, man, and that's, that's the problem, and that is the problem, right? So again, like this, this thing, we're doing this podcast. So, honestly, we do it cuz we like doing it. That's pretty much it cuz we're not. We're not getting anything, we're spending money, we're not making money. Whatever, I don't definitely losing money.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't care.
Social Media Impact and Curation
Speaker 2But. But we do it cuz it's fun. But in the end, if we actually wanted to try to make it bigger or try to try to actually gain some reach and maybe make some Money on it, we would have to use the things that we're saying we don't want to use, and we probably have to use them for an insane Amount of time, which we would have talked about we'd like to do right, but it's up, but it's also like we'd like to, but we also don't want to because it's legit would take effort and I mean I'm efforts, not the problem, but like it would take I guess it is effort into the things that we're saying, we want you to.
Speaker 1It takes like go away creases your involvement with Twitter.
Speaker 3No one. I don't think anyone is anyone.
Speaker 2It's what it's called. It's Twitter Well tax, but yeah, you could.
Speaker 3You call it X. Yeah, what do you call the people like when you post on X? What do you call it? He exclaims I accident. Oh, is that what it is? That's clever.
Speaker 2No, oh really, yeah, I don't think it's called.
Speaker 3Elon, if you're listening, but Pat and pending, you do say that you're getting rights reserved.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, the point is like it's so, it's so required in so many avenues of life. Now For people who try to make businesses, people who are trying to you know right, but because we can't connect in any other way anymore. Except. But it is not, we can't. It's just, it is the way to do it because you have such a global, such a reach that you wouldn't have anywhere any way else. There's no other way to get that reach. Yeah.
Speaker 1X. I don't know man Like especially acts is like the piece of technology I have the most.
Speaker 1Love hate relationship with yeah because it's where I get the most information about things that are happening that may affect me, that are not in my immediate like realm of knowledge, right, but, like, have you started listening to Brett Weinstein and and Rogan? No, yeah, it's good, I, because I love listening to him talk, because he's like one of the smartest people, right, I'm like maybe 45 minutes in, but one of the first things he kind of says and you know the first little bit of the podcast, it's like he talks about a comedian. How a comedian, if you stand up on stage you say four sentences and then you get to a punchline of the joke, right? Those previous previous four sentences Really didn't make a lot of sense or didn't matter, or like you couldn't view them in the context of the whole, until you got to the Punchline right joke.
Speaker 1That's the whole problem with Twitter is, if I wanted to make a joke after five tweets, it'd be lost because the first four tweets would be taken literally, right, somebody would stop reading after that. There's no, there's no like, like and that's why podcasts are successful and like sub-stack and all that shit, there is no fucking long form on Twitter.
Speaker 2No right, and it's just a useless form of communication and we're also relying on it but it's because of that we want like we want Information in small, tiny pieces that we can read. Scroll through. Go to the next thing and you lose nuance In context and perspective like perspective, and you lose all the things that actually matter when it comes to trying to figure out Whether something's true, or whether you agree with it or disagree with it, or versus the knee-jerk reaction to things.
Speaker 3And it's in deserves something next to like that, but that Facebook came up with the endless scroll, so you just scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and you'll never run out of content.
Speaker 1Yeah, and everybody does that.
Speaker 3Now though, right, yeah, well, yeah, they were. The bank. Facebook was the first one to come up with endless scroll and that was a big deal. But, like there's, your attention is less here because you know, like it's not like a iceberg, right the tensions less here.
Speaker 2Because, you know, there's all this stuff that you can just do this and see, I'm thinking about the thing I'm like Instagram right now. I'm like because that's probably the one I'm on more for like scrolling, just stupid videos, and but then there's a kick at I do, could I delete that? And like I could. But then there's be things that I would like, for example, like Shannon's fight coming up, her coach, like Joel post stuff up there that I like, what I want to see, that stuff, I love seeing that stuff. So then it's like, okay, well, then do you curate and you really cut down if I don't know the dude or if I they're not personally involved in my life, you get rid of all of that. But I don't be in this. Possibly, sure, you could do that. But then there's like, okay, well, what about cool things? That like like Dr Ronda Patrick, where she has some cool information, do I keep her?
Speaker 1okay, I don't want to keep her, or like that obscure sweep and jujitsu that you're gonna watch put in your save folder and then never practice.
Speaker 2I have a million of those yeah and again. So it's like where does it end, cuz you? I think you could be. You could be very specific, okay, you're, you're in my life, I know you, I keep, I keep you on my feet, or whatever. But then they said, then it's just the the ball. Just I was rolling down until, like well the interest.
Speaker 2And now it's like, and then you go into the stupid search bar, which I just yeah, I wish you'd delete that bar you hit an important term, though, that we don't none of us do a good job of is like curation right no.
Speaker 1I curate your own experience here Because you like. Ultimately, we like you kind of have to be responsible for like, how much information am I taking in and how relevant Is to me, especially when, if you look at it through the context of like, I'm supposed to be, like, the star of my own movie here, Right, why the fuck am I watching like the stuff that isn't relevant to me?
Speaker 2Sure, okay, but I also problem with that because, again, we're so self-centered and all this technology has become that's what it is. It has become an ability to be so self-involved and self-centered that like, and you, everyone's guilty of it. Hey, look at me, I'm doing this thing.
Speaker 2Everyone needs to see it, click, send it, whatever versus like, just living your life and not not worrying about people seeing the things that you're doing, and so it and I guess it obviously intent matters in a lot of things. So you, if it were curated to, these are my friends and my family that care about me, and I know they want to see what I'm doing. That's different versus I'm I want everyone to see because I'm trying to get a million followers. So I look at like, look at like that and I hate to pick on the females here, but all the chicks who post like the ash shots while they're just easy followers completely and it's hilarious because there's like memes of it Now, like there's what?
Speaker 2there's one. The other day, I think my wife was watching and I was laughing. So it's this girl who's like she's showing. It's like it's like a construct, almost like a construction video. She's showing like this wood, so makes no sense, but she's wearing insanely tight lulam is she's like her.
Speaker 2She's looking, but she's looking back over her shoulder like a weird awkward thing and she's like look at this and like it's just obviously she's just showing her ass to the camera and this is like the thing she's actually talking about doesn't even matter. And then there was like a cut to a dude who was wearing like like long johns and like tight long johns and he's like playing, he's doing something sort of thing anyway. But like again it's like what is the purpose of the of the things? It actually to educate people on?
Speaker 1No, no, or is it to show people your ass so you can get followers, but have you not seen the girl, the golf girl?
Speaker 1I don't know like the same premise. It's a girl that wears this like low-cut top with, like you can just see your titties, yeah, basically. And like she swings a golf club and talks about golf. She probably sucks at golf, I don't know, because I fucking wasn't paying attention to the goal, right, and you're just like. This is so Simple, right, and just like a fucking I don't know if it's like dopamine like you're just grabbing people's attention because you Like, you're like the lowest base level interest right caveman like, just like a bunch of dudes, oh yeah just like mine and you're just like fuck yeah and then you, and then at some point you catch yourself being like oh, I'm that dude.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're like crap. Oh god, yuck.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's, and so that's. That's the problem is, I guess I, if you had the ability to actually If you that's really just to actually do it for purpose and stick to that purpose like again, friends and family or your followers, you you know that they want to see your vacation, so you take some pictures of your vacation and post them because they like to see that I.
Speaker 3I'm all on board for that, but that's not what most of it is it there I have one Instagram post because when this started on Instagram and I'm like, yeah, I followed a bunch of people, I put that one post out with me and the kids and like the Lake or river in the mountains, just going in because it's cold. I did that post. I put my phone down like that was fucking annoying. I hate it. I hated posting.
Speaker 1It was one post, but that was. I enjoyed seeing that.
Speaker 2Yeah, I didn't enjoy doing it.
Social Media Platform Design Discussion
Speaker 1Yeah, I get that but like to be fair, I enjoyed seeing it because it was can't actually relevant to something we're all interested in. It's something that I get to like watch you doing and I'm not there, I gotta don't convince me to do more Shut up. I get to feel like I'm a part of your life. To me that was, but it was valuable to me because it was very relevant to me.
Speaker 3Yeah, so like that I should have just texted to you guys and be like hey, see, that's the other option.
Speaker 2Right like that is another option. I don't know.
Speaker 1I and honestly it like maybe because, like now, it persists on like your, your Instagram, and it's not like I've gone back and looked at it again. So here's a question yeah, do we need?
Speaker 2is it pot Do? Is there any current social media platform that you can specifically choose? Like the people you want to see See nothing else, have no ability to like. You know what I mean like, like.
Speaker 1I yes, there is what. Tiktok no, no, no, yes.
Speaker 3You can set it.
Speaker 2So just people you follow no, because like at some point you can look at videos and scroll through videos endlessly.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, there's the option. You click on the what's it mean where?
Speaker 1like. You don't even get the option Like oh, it's like nothing.
Speaker 2It's like it basically be like a group chat with your people, but like in a maybe a bigger sphere. That is like that. You can so essentially think of Facebook or or Instagram, but you have no, it's not like suggesting things to you and you're not you're not seeing other videos. You're not seeing. You know what I mean. Like it's like specifically your friends. It's your friends, family, your your actual inner group, maybe a little bit like people that you actually want to see your things.
Speaker 3I wonder if that's what like Facebook and Instagram were at one point my space.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, oh, my space.
Speaker 1Facebook started as a college Thing for Zuckerberg.
Speaker 3Yeah, right where? Yeah the communication, oh, the Winklevoss.
Speaker 1But but is that what it was? Well, I think he started a college to be like hey, these are people at my school that I know. Like yeah, small circle but like can you look up? There's a number, it's, there's a term for it.
Speaker 1Like the maximum number of people you can, like the average person can kind of know Like 200 or something right, which all of us, I know, are anomalies to that, just based on the nature of our work Right, which is weird. I think there'd be merit, and what you say, though, jb, is like Having something where, like, say, it's capped, like you can only have 160 people. If you want to add one and you're your cup is full, you've got to cut somebody right, and just like your circle of people of like, hey, here's what's going on with the 160 people that are most important to me 150 at the Dunbar number.
Speaker 3Yeah, right.
Speaker 1So, like the 150 people that are most important to me, or the 150 people I know that are relevant to my life, here's what's happening with them. They're posting pictures, videos. That's it.
Speaker 3You can just call just called the Dunbar app, so and then that's it. You only get 150 people you can follow.
Speaker 1That's it, so should we be developing this and Well, you're gonna have to cut this whole part out.
Speaker 3But then what would happen is, let's say, if we develop this app, then all of a sudden it's changing, it's changing, and then we just turned to facebook eventually.
Speaker 1No, well, yeah, Because if somebody comes at me with a billion dollars, you can have it.
Speaker 3I'm gonna take it. Go ahead yeah.
Speaker 2Okay, but I I guess you have to figure out a way. How does it make money?
Speaker 1Maybe it doesn't need to make money, maybe it's like this Maybe we just lose money every month, like this, like seriously well, as long as it doesn't cost money, then I guess it would be there. Is there a way we can monetize losing?
Speaker 2money. Yeah, but I my point is again Trying to find a way to make. This makes like I think there's some benefit to that. Like you said, you saw you see a picture of your friend and his family. You want to see that. It's a good thing. But then seeing the picture of Uh elon musk and his family, I don't know him.
Speaker 1Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 2I don't sure right, you don't care, but you kind of do from a voyeuristic Like what is a billionaire doing?
Speaker 1Maybe, but like I seen. I seen a picture of elon saw, saw a picture of elon musk, like holding his kid or something.
Speaker 2The other day and I was just like I don't care.
Speaker 1Why do I care?
Speaker 3I, I know that, but we all see that on our facebook instagram feed. Oh, like somebody will take a picture of what they're eating for supper.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I don't give a fuck about that. But sometimes I put a picture of my espresso on our instagram and you're doing it.
Speaker 2But if it was, like some chick who's also, she's holding her special, showing her ass. You care more than my espresso, no, I don't. My point is I don't, but that shows up on that shows up on the feed more, because that's gonna get like views.
Speaker 1But you can, and you can kind of do that with instagram, like you have your close friends list now.
Speaker 3Oh really.
Speaker 1Yeah, which is like, uh, and I think it's more so if you send messages you can like, or, sorry, if you make stories you can now limit it to your close friends.
Speaker 1Okay. Okay, which is interesting, but that's also why, like, I haven't been on our podcast instagram in over a month. Basically, I put our episodes up but like a I just it's so low on my priority I just don't have time, uh and be like I don't know. Like I feel like the people that listen to this podcast are people that are in our 150 right generally, most right.
Speaker 1There's some exceptions, but generally Anything I post on that podcast, they probably have a rough idea I'm doing anyways, right, and maybe it's like I don't know if, like I don't know if they care.
Speaker 2Right, yeah, well, they peripherally care, but it's like again, I don't think they. They're not going to take a whole bunch of time out of the day to figure that like to like right and so and then so.
Speaker 2What value am I creating by doing that? You're not. But again, that's why that's where the that's the problem, I guess, because in the end, without that a lot of time and effort put into those things social media this is going to be 30 people listening for the foreseeable future, which, again, I don't care, because that's somehow we do it. But, um, I guess, whatever your purpose is or what we're trying to do, if we're trying to monetize and make this big, then that matters.
Speaker 1But if it were not, but never, and I feel like we like, like the idea of monetizing this, but never has it been a goal.
Speaker 2No I agree.
Speaker 3Oh god, no, because if it was, we do this differently. The only reason it's not a goal is because it would take the more, not effort.
Speaker 1It's a bad word, but yeah, it would take. I think it would compromise the things we want to do 100.
Speaker 3It would interfere with our lives too much.
Speaker 2Completely, and that's, and that's the thing is things we give higher priority to right, which is like almost Most, like most things pretty much everything like how many times do we rescheduled?
Speaker 3now Three or four for this, because other things pop up right. And that's normal but also like we're trying to reduce which, by the way, thank you for doing it at any.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I'm just gonna say I like this time better. I'm so sleepy after 7 pm Like I'm just holding on by a thread every day. Well, old man, see she's good, I'm tired but like we're planning on redoing the studio because we want to like, improve and maybe, like maybe I'm looking at this wrong way Is I almost think maybe I just want to redo the studio for us. Yeah, just because I like I don't have a cool dope spot to hang out. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2I think and I I think you view it more of like this is like your office, man cave studio. Yeah, because then let you could do things like watch the fights here, like. I know your tv's over there. But you could. You could watch the fights here and we could do a fight companion, like I don't. You could, right, and yeah.
Speaker 1I think that's, I don't know, like this, this idea of being like the star of your own movie.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1I don't know. I don't know why I keep having that thought stuck in my head the last few days.
Speaker 3But what do you mean?
Speaker 1But I'm why just like we're so concerned about what other people are doing and so self-conscious or so, like you know, worried um, or like you know I think self-conscious is the word about like how will be perceived if we make certain decisions by people or whatever, instead of just being like fuck you, it's my movie, I'll do what?
Speaker 3I want, I wish, yeah, I wish everybody well.
Speaker 1I wish I could really have that mentality the whole time, and I think you can, none of us do, but I think like it's just, it's so hard to stop worrying about what other people think about the decision. It's the same reason we didn't tell people as podcast for over a year, for at least for me. I told people you did. I didn't because I'm like I never mentioned.
Speaker 3And it's not that I was embarrassed, it's just like. This is, this is me, this is me and I don't know if they care and I'm worried that, like it's like that goes along with the place. I say the place we work is is not too A lot of it's not supportive into people making their own kind of things outside of work. Sometimes it's kind of negative.
Speaker 1So that would be another thing another topic there but yeah, yeah, it gets viewed in a very specific light. Yeah, exactly, there's always negative.
Speaker 3But that's the whole thing is like.
Speaker 1As soon as you stop worrying and I, maybe, I'm I think we're getting all of us are gonna get, maybe I'm getting, I think we're getting. All of us are gonna maybe better at it. Or, like you, get more comfortable as we podcast right, like the difference is, tanner started his podcast and he literally pulls me aside and he's like hey, bro, I started a podcast. I was like that's fucking awesome. But I didn't do that with a single person when we started this. I know you didn't, because I suck.
Speaker 2Yeah, I. So I think that I see what you're saying and I think that you look back, like so, for example, when you started hearing somebody from like from nursing homes, like hey, I started listening to your podcast, like oh, awesome. And then you're brother and you're like what have I said? Yeah, completely, you start thinking about what did we talk about? But but, to be fair, I don't really actually worry about that as much.
Speaker 2Actually, I don't worry about anymore anymore, anymore almost at all, because I know I, I know we're all, I know our intent and I know what we actually how we feel and believe in what we, and we are willing to question things and we're willing to maybe talk about topics that are difficult to discuss because they're politically charged or something.
Speaker 2But in the end, we're all people, we're good people who are just trying to understand things and in whatever, in whatever context that is and, yes, we're very aware that we have our own context, like we have our own perspective on life based on who we are, how we grew up, etc. But everyone does, and so to have those conversations, I think is super important and we're all willing to be very to be wrong about things. We've all changed our mind on things consistently right, it's just that. So I guess, if I thought that we, if I thought that we were actually dicks or assholes and and we were like very closed off about the world and maybe and we said things just to be, just to be shocking, like we don't do any of that, so I'm not worried about it I I really feel like anything we've discussed in here I can fully explain and have had no issue standing by either what we said, or going back because that's the thing, or going back two years and being like yeah, that was stupid.
Speaker 1I've changed my mind. That's not what I feel anymore.
Speaker 2So I think, as long as we're open to that I know we all are I'm not really worried about it.
Speaker 3I don't know yeah, I think, yeah, you're right. So. I got nothing out of that because you're 100% right.
Speaker 2Yeah, like and I get it like in the nursing home that we work in.
Speaker 1It's like there's that it makes things a bit more difficult, but that's a nice thing is you get to choose whether or not you participate in this part of our lives completely and and interestingly enough, it's a choice that we have no involvement in.
Speaker 1Once we send it out to the world, right, which is kind of neat, I guess. Yeah, right, like the people that actually like want to listen to us talk, which I'm still surprised. People want to listen to me talk because I don't want to listen to me talk you know what it is and I figured this out.
Speaker 2Actually, some people said some things the other day, and then I'm even listening to Tanner. Yeah, podcast yeah, it's actually funny because we know them and so we would be involved in those conversations if you were there. So people listening to this who know us, it's like they get to be involved in a conversation with us, even though we can't hear them screaming at us telling us we're idiots for saying something.
Speaker 1Yeah which is what I said to Tanner, like I went to him and I was like I get it now. Yeah, right, because I enjoy listening to you talk. I yell at the radio sometimes when you're talking, but I enjoy it. I feel like I'm like a part of your life yes, by proxy which is funny because that's very similar.
Speaker 2To go back to the Instagram thing, it's very similar to you posting your picture with your kids and you're in the river. It's like you get to be completely, because I get to be a part of that in some way by seeing that I'm like, oh, that's awesome, I should do that, or that's awesome that he's doing it on his in a river, like whatever, whatever the thing is, and it's very similar. But then the the weird part is then how is that attractive to people you don't know?
Expanding Podcast Reach and Social Media
Speaker 1right and how come? Like it's the same reason, like we listen to a whole lot of people, other podcasts with people we don't know that we find interesting. We find the conversations they have interesting or we find them interesting. How do we extend that reach of our podcast?
Speaker 2like obviously, hopefully maybe somebody that doesn't know us would find these topics interesting yeah, I think, and I think they would again, it just takes there's a certain it's a certain type of person is obviously this isn't going to be for everybody, like that's completely cool. Not everything is for everybody, but there's a lot of people who, I think, are very similar to us as far as just really questioning, so like based on what we talked about today, questioning the world that we're living in, as far as, like, are we headed in the right direction? Is this, is this connectivity good? Is this technology? How do we, how do we deal with this with our kids? Like there's a lot of people on the same boat. So I think that's why it could be universally, universally accepted, or like people listen to it and have the same questions or concerns.
Speaker 3So but I get so put again. I completely agree. Now I actually changed my mind a little bit because, like that, that's my one Instagram post and like I felt so bad, put it out. And then there's like and we're doing something else make should I do this to? And like, no, I feel like a piece of cry, no one gives. I don't want to do this, but anything about like you guys with like the aggressive hugs thing or whatever right, and those posted Joel does in the mornings, yeah, I get so pumped and happy when I see you guys like I get I am not involved, I'm not training on so you can make fun of me, I want right. But I get so pumped when I see that shit and I'm like, yes, that's right. And I get like happy about it and I have no stake in the game.
Speaker 1Yeah, but that's the same as, like you said, that hilarious video of you getting in the cold plunge and I'm like I just kind of watching them like good right, yeah like you, just feel you feel good about it yeah good, like that must have sucked.
Speaker 1but I also, like it comes back to our social media is so powerful but so useless, and maybe it's how we use it, because I think there's also a degree of like not willing to compromise, or like waste your time doing things like. You can't tell me that in a planet of 8 billion people, or however many people are on the planet now, we can't find a thousand people that would want to listen to this. Oh for sure there is, but the problem is by reach, trying to reach them. You have to reach what?
Speaker 2A million two million three million right.
Speaker 1And then of those interactions, if you have to reach three million people, two million nine hundred ninety nine thousand, whatever are fucking useless interactions, right, and the noise that, all the noise that it's in, like how many podcasts are there?
Speaker 2Everyone has podcasts and I think that's fine. Like again because like we can't be hypocrites about it, like everyone's got a podcast. We're one of those three people, we're those people, but it's again, we like doing it. You know what I mean. Like again it's the whole. It's the whole. Why are you doing it? It's not because we want to be Instagram stars and millionaires. I mean, that'd be the instant millionaires, probably fine, but like yeah like.
Speaker 2That's not the purpose. The purpose is we like having discussions. This is an excuse to leave my house for two hours and have a discussion with some friends.
Speaker 3That's why I do it too, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2And that's why we, that's why we like having our friends on here, because if we can like pull them in and be like, hey, come talk. It doesn't mean it doesn't have to be anything else, I don't know.
Speaker 3So we're keeping the phones then, are we? Yeah, it's so bad. I want to take some drastic action.
Speaker 1So right, I like, for example, this truck. I just bought. It's 24 years old. I was driving yesterday and I was like I fucking love this because it's got a radio and a fucking speedometer, yeah, and that's it. And I was like this is just checking all my boxes right now. Did you sell your other one? I basically gave it away.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, so you sold yeah.
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Speaker 1It was a piece of shit, but yeah, it's like I would love to get rid of my phone because I fucking love existing without having, like all of this, these little things encroaching on your attention.
Speaker 3Should we do like a week, just a week, just with the family, where it's like this is 1990. Kids, get the fucking VCR out. It's go time.
Speaker 2This is not fair, because my kid won't appreciate it.
Speaker 1This is not you, and I have a different for us.
Speaker 2Like.
Speaker 3I'll do it, I'll do it.
Speaker 2I'll make sure my baby doesn't follow, yeah.
Speaker 1I'll make sure she stays off Instagram. Do you follow 90s life or 90s nostalgia on Instagram?
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 1That's a worthwhile page. If you're into that nostalgia, waste your time, yeah.
Speaker 3So, yeah, just go back to what we were talking about.
Speaker 1I would be open for the kind of like drastic action that I've kind of thought about doing and I just need to pull the trigger on is like get a house phone and as soon as you walk in the door your phone is done. Hey, if you need to call me to go out to the nursing home just one week is not going to affect your life that much you could like just put a.
Speaker 2Put a automatic reply. Anyone who texts you gets the like call my. If you need to talk to me, call my house phone. Yeah Right, that's not a bad idea, done.
Speaker 1Like it's something like that, but like I want to give a house phone.
Speaker 2Well, I can get one. It's 2024.
Speaker 1Do you have a house phone? Yeah, we do, still immediately.
Speaker 3Okay, well, I don't have a house phone. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2I think I just call it. Call it, tell us they give us house. It costs like $14 a month $14 a month.
Speaker 3I think you should.
Speaker 1I also think we should all cancel Netflix Well.
Speaker 2I think I would cancel. I think I'd cancel Disney before I cancel. But why are you?
Speaker 3Why are you prioritizing certain? So now no, no, that's the problem. Those are content I like isn't on general TV Like the content you like.
Speaker 1Again, it's better. Are you sitting better?
Speaker 3content than rookie blue or anything like that on CBS blacklist.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2I can't believe I watched that I could get rid of Netflix. I don't think I have this Like I'm pretty sure there's nothing on there I care about. I can get rid of Netflix.
Speaker 3But like Jason said, can you rock just normal TV?
Speaker 1No, but yeah, no, do you even need a TV? Yes, why I watch things?
Speaker 2on it. Could you not read or go outside? I do have a lot of books. I got books Say are we just going to?
Speaker 3be all mixed in. Is that what we're going for here? Are we kind of where's the gray area? I?
Speaker 2don't die One of the new people in the nursing home has never owned a TV.
Speaker 1That's neat. Yeah, yeah, that never credit to that new person in the nursing home, the new, the new base level floor attendant.
Speaker 2Yes, yeah, I'm a trainer trainee. Yeah, I'm with you, like I want to. I've been thinking about this a lot, but like I don't, I don't think it's. You need to be reasonable. Here's the thing I think you need to do. I think you do.
Speaker 3I think you have to. Is it a cold turkey thing? Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker 2I don't think it's possible. That's my point is. I don't think the cold turkey thing and like going let's go live in a hut in the woods is possible.
Speaker 1But also your whoop looks like it's so tight on your arm. It does though, doesn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 3I'm going to throw it, but this isn't an excuse to flex, for some of your wrist.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, not your bicep, not your bicep but it's connected to my arm, so just can you stop flexing your massive biceps, Sorry Um okay, by the way you're looking, you're looking real good.
Speaker 3Let's not take this off track. No, I'm sorry, I'm looking at his arm now. I just want to comment.
Speaker 1It bothers me that we're the same body fat percentage. Because we're not. It's crazy. I was like don't get those because it's the wrong way.
Speaker 2I'm surprised by your body Body fat percentage, like I thought that you'd be around. I thought you'd be around 17, 16, 16. 16, 16 fat, okay, no because that's still a lot of fat. I'm just I, just I. I agree with you. This is what I'm saying. I don't know. It's weird how we can be the same body fat percentage, um, but look differently.
Speaker 1It is weird and maybe that's due to, obviously, the math there between like um muscle like height, muscle, how much muscle mass you have like, because I'm much bigger than you. Anywho, let's go back to what we were talking about. Much bigger than you.
Speaker 3Well, he's taller, what a little fatter.
Speaker 2I think no, not same fat.
Speaker 1I think that there is merit for drastic action, because if you were to start a fitness plan and you've experienced this if you were to say, like you know what, I'm just going to work out a little bit, I'm just going to do a little band.
Speaker 2Okay, okay, I hear what you're saying, but then just think about it from the. This is where I think of the problem is with taking drastic action from the fitness perspective. So you say you're super overweight and you decide I'm taking drastic action, I'm going to start, I'm going to cut my calories, I'm going to start this like insane amount. I'm going to start going to the gym every day of the week for hours at a time. You're not going to last, you're going to die.
Speaker 1You're going to die out quick, but if you're super overweight it's really easy to start creating momentum, I'm sure I'm like from, at least from an objective standpoint.
Speaker 2Right, but that would become from the incremental changes.
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Speaker 1start moving, start walking twice a week, three times a week, four times a week and that's exactly what I'm getting at here is like there's incremental changes you can make. Like you don't need Netflix, you don't. I agree, none of us need Netflix. I agree. We sit down. Jason makes a good point. At some point maybe watching TV was a family event, whereas now it's just a dopamine collection event, which is why human beings are all falling apart is because we are just dopamine addicts and like the only way to address that, I think, is some degree of drastic action.
Speaker 2So, like I hear what you're saying and I just think that the drastic side of it is a problem because you won't, it's like, but it's like. Finding the diet that you can stick to is way better than finding the drastic one. It's going to help you, for 30 days.
Speaker 3I just want, I want the cold turkey to put it back into perspective about what yeah, Do you think do?
Speaker 2you think it's not maintainable.
Speaker 3It's not maintainable, but it might put things into perspective better for you.
Speaker 1But do you think that it's not drastic? Or do you think that you don't want to take drastic action because, like, it's actually not going to be effective, or because you just don't want to?
Speaker 2I don't think it's going to be effective. I think it'll be effective in the short term or again, possibly very short term, and then you're like it's just like God, this is crazy, we went too hard and it goes back, swings back the other direction. But I think if you do something, so, for example, like I have, like I've craved Disney, netflix, prime, paramount, apple, what the fuck, bro? Yeah, I think that's it. I could 100% get rid of all of them. No Netflix, no all of them.
Speaker 2Netflix, apple no, no, no, and Apple is like one of my favorites right now. There's so many good shows on that. There's one, oh, disney. I paid up front for the year for Crave, so that's not going anywhere. So, anyway, I get rid of two very easily, so you can get rid of 33%.
Speaker 1What about those other four? Make them so important in your life that you're unwilling to get rid of them. Just the shows that I'm watching are on them. And what is it about those shows that is so important in your life that you have to see them?
Speaker 2I saw them watching Halo season two just now?
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, see, in every way. Yeah, you're on it, so I can't go to Paramount.
Speaker 2I'm watching a bunch of good stuff on Crave right now I'm watching the Outsider. I'm watching the New True Detective. Can't go to.
Speaker 1Crave. See, I think there's some. I think you're missing something here. We're all guilty, but no we need everyone needs that power. But here's the difference I do that.
Speaker 2I do that when I'm like. So all those shows I'm basically watching as I'm running on the treadmill, so like that's, and I know I could be listening to a book, and I do that sometimes, but right now I'm stuck.
Speaker 3I'm stuck in a book on a flip phone, exactly.
Speaker 2That's a problem, but I'm thinking. Here's the thing is, I'm almost 42. I feel like I am okay. I'm not great at it, but I can control that to some degree. My more more of my concern is the kids and like their addiction to that stuff, and getting rid of some of those ones like Netflix and Disney will drastically reduce their want to be on TV, because that's the things that they watch.
Speaker 3Awesome, I'm not going to be on TV anyway, so you get to keep the things you like, but they don't yeah, because the things that I like I watch maybe like it's.
Speaker 142 is brain.
Speaker 2No, but like but my point is I don't. I come home from work, I'm busy till I basically get into bed and then I have maybe half an hour an hour to watch a show. That's what I, that's what I do. I watch a show for half an hour An hour. I know I could be reading books.
Speaker 1Sure, but, but in that, like again, we all do it, but is that our contributing to your overall life goals?
Speaker 2Uh, no, but anyway, but no, but you can't. But what are you going to do in?
Speaker 3that hour.
Speaker 2What's the? It was going to say read play a board.
Speaker 3Yeah, well, how is that contributing to what you're reading? I think reading is always. I think that our and my wife is the same and I and I never really got it until I'm home with the kids. A lot is like that hour is just that.
Speaker 2hour is JV time Relax time Right and I I don't disagree with you, but I also think that you can't, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, be contributing to your life goals. There's got to be some rest and relaxation a little bit. I don't think as much as probably people do, like we don't, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3Man, I just don't think that the the drastic age tactic just for fun, though I don't think it works, though I don't think it works, just like I don't think it doesn't, it's not just like I don't think if you, if you've never been in shape, going to the gym seven days a week is the way to do it.
Speaker 1Maybe not on week one, but week five.
Speaker 2Sure yeah.
Speaker 1For sure. But then like should you not see the same regression if you're trying to detach yourself from all these fucking dopamine production?
Speaker 2Yeah, you should, but let's, let's, but you should do it slow. I think you should do it like okay, delete a couple apps on your phone, delete, get rid of a couple of those streaming services. Like, do, do whatever you want to do?
Speaker 3Then do a progression chart, like every week you add something, baby, step your way to 1990s, you know. And then and then you'll you'll find an area where like well, this is getting too bad for my life, we got to stop at this progression. And then you know you've already eliminated all those things that now you're at this step. You know what I mean. Like, maybe the first step is no ex.
Speaker 1Yeah, cause I think there's no.
Speaker 3Netflix, and then the next week is something else, and then you just keep going until you eliminate things out of your life.
Speaker 1Like that way Like, for example, you get in a nice cold tub of water every day that, like 99% of people say, would be like no, I'm never doing this because it's uncomfortable. Yeah, so you've done. You choose to do something uncomfortable because it is going to improve your life. The uncomfortability of getting rid of something that, like, just gives you dopamine for an hour, should not be even like nearly as hard as that.
Speaker 2I'm saying, I'm not saying it's hard, but I'm saying do I want? Do I want to give it up?
Speaker 2Cause, my thing is for me personally for, like, from a personal perspective, it's like okay, I think my phone there's things on my phone that I should get rid of like to be at the off of it less, but in I'm talking about that, like, like you said, that hour, hour and a half at the end of the day where it's like kids are in bed, I can do what I want to do, like I don't want to. Like there's you have to have that time in your life where it's like sure, and could you direct that time somewhere else? Yes, that time I think it should be like. It's like whatever you want to do.
Speaker 3Me watching an hour of nineties cartoon intros with my wife on Friday night accomplished nothing, but it was. It did actually. No, it never might did, cause we bonded. There you go. Yeah, never mind. There was a little bit of a conversation there. It didn't help towards life goals, we just just had good conversation, and that's what that hour is. You just got to spate Like I want to be away from the world for an hour and I just need something. I want no responsibility.
Speaker 2You earned that and this is something that I don't want to have a conversation with my kids about is like I think you you need during a family meeting.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, but you have to you. You earn those things in your life, right, like you, and this is like we. We do this for a while and we got bad. We fell off the train, but like we had a chore list where I was like, okay, if you do these things, you earn X amount of hours of screen time per week. If you don't do these things, you don't earn that time. And so it's like you. It's like you need to do the things that are necessary before you can do the things that are a want or like a.
Speaker 3That's the discipline equals freedom. I don't think I hate to beat this drum because I'm no better.
Speaker 1I can like watch so much TV, but like why is that the reward that you deserve for doing?
Speaker 3things. No, the reward can be whatever you want to be. It's the freedom that we we're on, like our sixth iteration of chore charts, because we keep on doing it and we fall off the wagon. But all. If they produce discipline at the start, the front end, and then on the back end, they get the freedom to do what they want during this time period Right and that we choose to utilize. But my kids choose, and guess what they always choose, though, but that's.
Speaker 2But that's just the world we're in, I don't know screens completely about mind-blowing to you and I don't know, I Don't know if you can change that Right now. I'm very conflicted. I know man, I am too, and I.
Speaker 3it drives me insane when I'm not thinking about it, I'm not conflicted at all. Family meeting it's go time. Yeah, it's totally, it is go time. We're going on, we're gonna dress like it.
Speaker 2Um I hope you do.
Speaker 1I yeah, I don't know fuck. I just hate how like useless we are as human beings.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, and your kid is gonna grow up in this too, she's not she is there's no way around it.
Speaker 1Yeah, there has to be. So we fuck like there's two classes of people in this world.
Speaker 2Oh, that's it, oh man.
Speaker 1Generally, there's the peasants and there's the what would you call them, the elite, the haves and have nots. I don't want to say hasn't happened.
Speaker 1We have a lot of hat, we have a lot of stuff, but there's the peasants and there's the elites. Okay, we are the peasants. Uh-huh, every now and then, a peasant reaches escape velocity and joins the elites. Do we know any elites? No, no, not a fucking chance. When I'm and that's I Like, I'm trying to like, redefine, like, and some of this is tied into my belief that, like, there is certainly like a the Global elite that are kind of dictating the path of the world, though Overloads there's the have-and-have nots.
Speaker 1We are the have nots.
Speaker 1They're the haves right and by Like. If we want to stay a peasant, we have we keep doing the same things we do because that's what they've created for us to stay peasants and We've talked about this a lot in the podcast. We're like I want to be able to have discretionary use over my time, but as a peasant, I'm never gonna have that option. Right, right and Like, for example, like the Super Bowl is a great, convenient distraction from a lot of things that happened in the world in the last week, and there was again some chat on some of the podcasts I've been listening about how, like you know, the global elite, they enjoy that our attention is consumed by these things. They, it is convenient for them, or it's effective for them because it allows them to make sure that we are gonna remain peasants for the rest of Our lives and until all of us can actually like, remove ourselves from some of these.
Speaker 3Devices of never happen, which is never gonna happen but that's the problem.
Speaker 1We just sit here and we're like we're gonna be peasants for the rest of our lives, okay, yeah, yeah that is. That's where we're at.
Speaker 3Okay, there's. There's no way on in this room. We could. We could all make that change in our lives. If it came down to it, based on something else happen, we can make the change the vast majority of people are gonna.
Speaker 1I don't think we could, because we just spent an hour talking about how why don't we won't if we?
Speaker 3didn't, if we didn't leave this room, we could, but the second we leave this room go in the actual world again. There's no way that the three of us, even if we made the hundred percent change here, could enact a change over the masses, and there's no way around it. The only way is like something dressed, something drastic were to happen that would affect everybody's lives, and the consequence for not changing is so bad that you had to change, and it would have to be a drastic consequence right and like independence.
Speaker 2I hate you the aliens independence day the aliens come here.
Speaker 3That's the only and we're all going to die is the only way that you can convince everyone to change their ways. I think yeah there's no way around, like a false, like I don't know.
Speaker 1No, like if you listen again, listen to the Brett Weinstein podcast, because I Think there's like some convincing, compelling arguments made that the global elite, the world economic, all these fucking people are preparing for a change in which the way humanity exists right, whether it's like the decline of the American dollar, whatever they're all preparing for it. We're all sitting here just fucking swiping on tick tock.
Speaker 3No, I told you I looked at a lot of things about using rabbits rabbits for meat as opposed to chickens, you get meat rabbits as opposed to regular rabbits in your origin having meat rabbits. They're it's the guy laid it out and he is way more beneficial than you ever kid?
Speaker 2you heard a rabbit scream.
Speaker 3Yes, oh, it's no is it bad?
Speaker 2It is the worst sound, don't, oh yeah?
Speaker 3Is it like a deer screaming and then I've never heard a deer scream.
Speaker 2It's like it's terrible, so I can't imagine killing rabbits and eating them well, no, they're probably like you.
Speaker 3Kill my chickens where you just like their head and they will still scream rabbit scream like humans Really.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2Yes, I do Be actually a good bad name. Rabbit scream.
Speaker 1Are you gonna play it?
Speaker 3what? No, I'm trying to find a good one Like a good rabbit scream. Yeah, I'm not gonna ads cuz I don't pay for YouTube.
Speaker 2Anyway, I don't, I don't know, I yeah, whatever but that's the problem.
Speaker 1Yeah, whatever is the problem.
Speaker 3That's what it sounds like. It sounds like a crying baby.
Speaker 2Yeah, they free. Oh no, that sounds like a chicken yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's a rabbit. Oh my god, yeah, but still you want to kill me rabbits rabbits are still better anyway.
Speaker 1Um, yeah, whatever, as peasants is part of the problem. Yeah, but what we can do, what are you gonna do? Something? It's better?
Speaker 3than doing nothing. Do something and have the same results of doing nothing.
Speaker 1History has smiled upon groups of people that have decided that because they're being and I'm not saying we're being Subjugated, but because they're being subjugated in one way or another, they just say yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2Okay, doesn't my point of saying yeah, whatever is, is that it's not that like? I think it's not, that I think something that shouldn't be down to that you're wrong, I just think, in order for you us to get out of that that circle, it it's, you're possible. No, it's not, it's not impossible. But you're thinking you definitely have to change a lot of the ways you're doing things. Like how do you become independently free, like well, like from like a money perspective, so that, and then finding, like finding ways to create like income in your life that doesn't isn't reliant on these systems, and that and that's part of it, honestly, I think is the infinite banking stuff that we talked about to become free of this system that's tied to the government a little bit, but also then to have Income that you can invest in things that potentially will help you free your time, like you said, from the Grind of the nine five.
Speaker 1But I'm and I'm down to do. I'm tend to talk about the be your own banker thing, because I'm fired up About it right now, but you said something that I think is so like. Did you not just say Part of it is doing the things that you need to do to free yourself from the system.
Speaker 1Mm-hmm one of those things is stop being a slave to the fucking things that have been created to just distract our attention or Use our attention like I agree, but I'm just saying I agree, I'm just saying that I don't think you have, like I'm just my the hour Not at night that I potentially spend watching a show.
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Speaker 2I there's sure there's other things you could maybe do, but I'm saying I don't think that's the problem. I think it's more of a problem if I had, if I get home from from work and instead of Making supper, getting my kids to their kickboxing, blah blah, I'm sitting and doing nothing, watching TV. That's more, that's the problem.
Speaker 1Yeah, but there that's the sliding scale of problems. Like you're just a shitty parent at that point probably yeah but like that hour, could it not be used to attempt to further yourself your okay fine.
Speaker 2I'm gonna go home. No, no, it's done, I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna break all my TVs.
Speaker 3Yes, I'm gonna smash them into my pieces have a family meeting first.
Speaker 2It's over. I'm gonna break my phone on the way home. Throw out the window. Are you happy now?
Speaker 1I just don't want to be a peasant.
Speaker 2I agree with you. I agree with you, but but that's the wrong approach.
Speaker 3No, I, you, I'm okay with being a peasant for an hour, an hour a day. I will. I will be that slave as peasants.
Speaker 1You're either a peasant or you're not, and if you choose to be a peasant for an hour, you're a peasant for life.
Speaker 2Yeah, so let's. Let's say no test, that's not at all.
Speaker 3Let's say JV uses that hour per day. Let's say you do one hour exactly a day. That's too like that. I think that's two weeks at the end of the year, that's two full weeks that he could have been doing.
Speaker 1I'm hearing right now, yeah, but I'm rationalizations from drug addicts Okay.
Speaker 2No, but that what you just said, there was something I watched yesterday. I was like have you spent 18 minutes a day doing a thing you would? Spend 100 hours a year, and you'd be better at that thing than 90% of the population.
Speaker 3Yeah, whatever, it is Sure playing the piccolo.
Speaker 2That's. That's something I know. You're passionate about. A little piccolo, yeah. So if you played the piccolo 18 minutes a day, every single day, for the whole year, yeah, you were going to be very good at it, because you're gonna have a hundred devours of piccolo playing.
Speaker 3I'll be crazy because I don't have a time to just sit there on my phone, but yeah sure.
Speaker 2So I hear you and I, I feel you and I, I'm, I'm on board kind of. I Just I feel like you're going to like cold turkey. We need to blow everything up root, which we do, I don't think produces, I don't think burn the boats, jamie, I don't think it becomes long-term sustainable.
Speaker 3I'm deleting YouTube.
Speaker 1That's a lot. Yeah, I'm deleting my phone.
Speaker 3You know you won't. This will last 30 minutes after this. You'd like whoa?
Speaker 1want to be different. I got a good one.
Speaker 2I gotta go poop I'm gonna pull you out, but here's the thing, here's the thing we we are in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1No, because no we are.
Speaker 2We all wait for that fucking we suck at a couple, we suck at some of these things like everyone else sucks at, but at the same time, like you said in the in, in general we're fairly driven, we're fairly disciplined. We could be better Obviously, everyone could be better but that's kind of the. The momentum and the trajectory I feel, especially in our friend group lately, has been very much let's get, let's be focused on focus on personal Wellness, focus on personal excellence, which is, which is totally awesome because amazing health wise doing pretty good.
Speaker 1Yeah, maybe not last night. I had a little jiu-jitsu last night.
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Speaker 2I but, but again, like it's a, it's a and this is what we're talking about. I'm talking to Tony, we talk a lot about this stuff, but like you have to allow yourself, so when it comes to the diet thing, you have to allow yourself To slip up and and, but then just don't. That doesn't crash your all of your progress that time. You just need to now get back on the horse tomorrow. It's not that big a deal.
Speaker 1I think you have to allow yourself forgiveness when that happens. Yes, I think you. I also think you have to Set guidelines or standards where that isn't an acceptable thing, for sure, but, like but.
Speaker 2But to get so obsessed with it to the point like you're not. You're like oh, I'm old, I'm at 1850 calories and I can't literally have one bite of anything else and I'm starving to death. Like to allow yourself to, you know, maybe eat a couple extra hundred calories today, but then tomorrow go back to your thing is fine.
Speaker 3You have in those jujubes. Last night was like him on his phone for 30 minutes. Holy you know. It's the same, the same principle, right?
Speaker 1100%. Yeah, I just feel like, so what's?
Speaker 3up now, hypocrite I'm.
Speaker 1I am. We could call this podcast fucking hypocrisy.
Speaker 3Oh, that's all. I love it. This is the best part.
Speaker 2We can't change the name again. We've done it too many times. Easy mode, hypocrisy superior. Yeah, exactly so why did?
Speaker 1you have those jujubes.
Speaker 2Why not fucking wanted?
Speaker 3them.
Speaker 1Yeah, they make. I've also really noticed how, like eating all these fucking carbs before bed is ruining my sleep.
Speaker 3Mm-hmm, yeah, your recovery wasn't.
Speaker 2Yeah, what's, what's.
Speaker 3I love. I'm not gonna pay for the membership for past this month, but I love this whoop app.
Speaker 1Dude, it's so, and I trained really hard the last two days, which also may have yeah, for sure, included.
Speaker 3I don't know if you guys saw my sleep at. I was eighty, eighty, nine percent, not bad, I think I was at a hundred or close to fuck you.
Speaker 1Really, I haven't looked yet. Look at you two on your phones. You fucking sleep.
Speaker 3We're looking at whoop. We're looking at whoop. This again yeah, this makes us better.
Speaker 1You don't get whoop, I know but to go back to what you're saying, ninety six hundred percent, ah, you guys suck. Yeah, get some sleep. I think you have to allow yourself those, those mistakes, or oopsies.
Speaker 3I agree. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1But like the difference between somebody who actually escapes the system or like is able to Be, you know, provide for that wealth for themselves, or growth or whatever. I do think that the difference between them and us is the same difference between an elite athlete and not. Is the willingness to take those steps or Un have uncompromising beliefs and values about these things. Yeah, yeah, that'll allow you to make that progress. I agree with that and if you want, if you don't want to be a peasant, I think you have to play the game like a fucking.
Speaker 1I'm playing in the WHL this is this is I'm fine with this and I play like I'm in the fucking.
Speaker 3Beer League. I'm like a. I'm like a double-a high school athlete that's the most all year league.
Speaker 1But I don't, I don't, I want to be in the NHL.
Speaker 2You know, you know what it is. This is where I think it's just funny. So mindset is is one of the the biggest keys to all this, I think, and that that's the difference to an elite athletes and not. So I got two new books recently that I've just started. One was Winning and one is relentless, and both by that Tim Grover guy who was like a coach for, like Michael Jordan twin, wade Kobe, anyway, but yeah, it's mindset, like those guys, those elite athletes like you, like McCaffrey, like it's just, it's a mindset difference from everybody else and that and that is that is the key but if, man, we're gonna beat this, we can almost move on because we're beating this to death.
Speaker 1We have beat this.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, so I'll leave it. I'll leave it at this. Somebody said this to me at work the other day was an interesting quote is like you get to choose Are you an amateur or are you a professional.
Speaker 3That's a, that's a triggering phrase of the nursing home for some first up and you know what fucking?
Speaker 1as it should be, because you do get to choose. Are you an amateur or are you a professional? Yeah, nobody else gets to choose. That you get, and probably step one in choosing. That is your mindset.
Speaker 3Who's got a happier life?
Speaker 1I'm thinking not the, not peasants. Yeah, an amateur professional, the professional. Every time, every fucking time.
Speaker 2I'm trying to find I brought something down. It's every once in a while, but I'm gonna have it of like, when I think of something I want to talk about in the podcast, I write it down in my notes. Oh, I have an idea. Yeah, thank you for reminding me.
Speaker 1Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3I did that. Mine was a question. I have some you guys.
Speaker 1Did you say? You said question really weird question.
Speaker 3What.
Speaker 1Is that weird? Sounded weird.
Speaker 3Quest question Queen Quincy, what?
Speaker 1Anyway, anyway, what if do you?
Speaker 2okay, two things Do you guys still carry your flashlights. Mine's not on me at the moment, it's on my bedside table.
Speaker 3Do I fucking carry my flashlight Fuck yeah, I need one of those I am.
Speaker 2Mine's usually with me, but it's on my bedside table we should buy me a flashlight.
Speaker 1No, I'll buy me a flashlight, but we should buy a listener. A flashlight Sure.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm good with that.
Speaker 1We should Thank you for listening. We're gonna buy one of these fuckers a flashlight. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 3How do you hold that drawing?
Speaker 2Let's do Instagram. Let's do it or like an X.
Speaker 1No, I can't even get into our X. Okay.
Speaker 2I don't know what the password is Okay.
Speaker 1we'll do an Instagram giveaway.
Speaker 2Okay, we're giving away like that after I get my flashlight.
Speaker 1I've been also trying to do that. Not well, because I hate my phone. I think we should all carry around like a piece of paper and a pen. Is that too much?
Speaker 2Yeah, it's too much to ask.
Speaker 3Why is that?
Speaker 2Because here's the thing like I get. You don't like your phone, but there's some good things about the phone One of them is I can just type it in my notes To replace notepad.
Speaker 1Well, okay, I can't remember who I was listening to in a podcast, but they said that they get a lot more benefit out of using a pen and an opad than their phone.
Speaker 3Okay, first of all, was it? Was it Eminem from Eight Mile Just sitting in the bus?
Speaker 2Yeah, just spitting out my notes, just spitting rice.
Speaker 3He had a pen and an opad.
The Value of Growth Mindset
Speaker 2Okay, sorry, or you're a comedian that you have to write down your bits Okay what did you write down? So it was about growth mindset, and I can't remember where I heard it.
Speaker 2Not on your side, but the whole point of the growth mindset is the idea that, like you're not there yet, but like the actual striving itself is the goal. It's like if we're focusing on the end result, we're not doing it right, because it's like if Buddhism is very similar like if you're focused on the happiness, you're never going to get it. If you want a brand new vehicle and you get it, you get that like, oh, happiness. But then it's like, oh, I have it, now it's gone. It's like you lose that thing, you lose that drive, that passion, that happiness is gone and you're already onto the next thing. So it's like it's not the actual end result that's the goal, it's the actual process of striving to the thing.
Speaker 2So fitness is obviously a good example of this because, like, what is the end goal? Like in the end it's just trying to be fit for longevity. I think is, if we're kind of nailing it down to, we want to be fit for as long as possible so that we can continue to live the way we want to till we die. So it's a weird thing because it's not there used to be like when I was younger. It was like well, I want to be big, I want to be whatever the thing like there's like an end result that I was looking for, whereas now I'm kind of at the stage where it's like there's none of that, it's just it's the actual process that is the goal.
Speaker 2That's the growth mindset idea that it's the actual striving and it's the actual process that becomes the actual I don't know what the word is I'm looking for that's where you find the value. The value is in the striving, not in the actual end goal, and that's kind of like the idea. So like the pleasure from effort like you're getting the pleasure is from the actual effort. So like going and rolling at 5.30 in the morning and learning these things, like there's there's not really an end goal, but it's like you're you're driving pleasure from the effort of showing up, putting in the work, being tired after learning some things Totally Cause you get up, like every time I get up for it I'm like fuck.
Speaker 3Yeah, it sucks, I don't want to get up.
Speaker 1I'm like it's over here like damn.
Speaker 2I was glad I was there. And this is something else interesting. I read it was around the same thing, but this has to do with kids, and this is where it's difficult, because they it's there's there's things to show that reward for behavior diminishes the process. It looks so it's like and then and this is the cause we're bad at this as parents. It's like do this thing, I'll give you this.
Speaker 1Yeah or don't do this thing I'll give you this.
Speaker 2So the rewarding for behavior diminishes the actual process of the thing that they're supposed to be doing, because they're looking at the if I do this, I get this versus so and that's. You think about it. From example of like, if you're trying to get your kid to be more active or to do something, it was like okay, well, if you go, if you go downstairs and do a 20 minute little circuit, then you can do this thing. So the, the thing over here, the, the carrot, becomes the, the dopamine that they want and they don't. This is just like an obstacle in the way.
Speaker 3Even during the process, they're thinking about the end Completely. So it's like trying to figure out a way to have that process be the goal, which is hard, especially from a thing from a parent perspective, but when we were kids it was different than not, so, like when I, when I would get up, we'd have to do chores and you did chores, because that is what you did. There was no thing at the end.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 3You, just your family. The farm was better. That was about it. You had to do it.
Speaker 1Which, which is tough right. Like it says, a kid doing chores and then say, like your reward is, you know, money in your piggy bank, or something like that.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, and it's like maybe it's hard for a kid to be like no, no, no, I can actually use this money, like accumulate this money to do something else.
Speaker 3But it's still, you're still yeah.
Speaker 2But I think that's. That's the so the thing about like. Think about money, right, think about people who work to get the money. They work because they want the paycheck and obviously you, you have to have that process. You need to get a job so that you make money, so you can live. But I think that the money part becomes the end goal versus if you if I think we taught kids and people no, you need to figure out what it is that you enjoy here in the process part in the work part, and whatever this ends up being as a money part is, is the outcome. But if you find pleasure in your job, if you actually like your job right, and that becomes the goal and the money isn't the goal, then I think we'd be a lot more happy. Yeah.
Speaker 1But that's tough right Because, like I, I like my job Right. I wouldn't say that I find pleasure in my job every day. No, I'd say that I'd probably more For sure it creates a zero money, but like then hypothetically the argument would be, is like you should be putting more time and energy into the things you like, more than the things that like right, yeah, and there's obviously like a that's obviously a point where that doesn't work, because you need to live.
Speaker 2We have that money, you have to pay for the bills and the mortgages and all that stuff, but it's just like, anyway, it's an interesting. It's an interesting idea, especially when it comes to the idea of raising kids.
Speaker 1Well, I've seen a lot of not a lot. I've seen a couple coaches talk about this with kids in competition for Jiu Jitsu is like you do, a lot of you can do, like not good things where. So, say, your kids in a competition has a match, loses the match, yeah, hey buddy, like yeah, you lost, like you'll do better next time or something, whereas versus like hey, that was a tough match, but look at the way like you held mount, you got your, you know like that was so much better, right Like the way like your mount control was like one improvement.
Speaker 1Kids probably gonna be like, oh yeah, I lost. But like like some things are coming together Right and that's the process.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1Much like the focus on like hey, the process is is your being. You're successful in the process.
Speaker 2And on the flip side of that same same analogy you won your match, let's go get ice cream.
Speaker 1But you didn't win your match, so now we'll only ice cream for the winners, which is actually something I think was the Gracie's they're talking about, like their dad, like they lose a match and get ice cream every time.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2And I think that there's something. Obviously it's. It's a weird thing because you think you're doing a good thing by rewarding that behavior or or not rewarding it, but in the end I don't think that's the right process.
Speaker 1But that's as human beings, we are so reliant on incentives and reward, which is also that incentive. I don't know what the incentive is, but like the reward of your hour of Netflix at night is just dopamine.
Speaker 2Yeah, 100%, completely. Yeah, I agree, I don't know. And then I'll just kind of tie this all up. Like, there's that book.
Speaker 2I posted a while ago that I read something about how to talk to yourself and it's very, it's all about self-talk. And it's so weird because I find myself coming back to some of these like ideas that I discounted very much. So when I was kind of going down the what's the word? When I was going down the road of science you need to prove, things need to be proven like, like facts, like tangible, all these kinds of like I was very down that road.
Speaker 2And now I'm coming back to like these weird things of of like belief in self-talk, like where it's such a, it is so important and it shows producible results in people where they just if they believe hard enough. It's just so weird, but like, and the ability to self-talk. So if I, if I so the words here were in the so, in the pain, so, while you're doing something that's tough, like even if you're like you're like you were getting up at 530 in the morning and it sucks, it's like I'm choosing to do this and I know that in the end I'm going to be, I'm enjoying myself in the process, like it's a choice. Yes, in the moment it's like I like the cold punches. I know you hate, you're everyone's tired of us talking about it, but but we're going to anyways we're going to continue.
Speaker 2It's like every single time it sucks, but it but honestly, after I get my feet in and I kind of get myself lowered in, it's like I'm here now and it's just like a self-talk of I know, I like I'm kind of enjoying it, like I'm, I'm here, I'm in it.
Speaker 1Enjoy the suffering.
Overcoming Self-Talk and Procrastination
Speaker 2I'm just. I'm just. I know I'm going to hear I'm here for five minutes and I can. I can do this for five minutes. It's not the big deal and it's like, but it's like. The self-talk Cause if it in my head running, is another good example for me, because I hated it so much. But like now I'll do. Like the last time I did a 15K, today I'm going to probably do 10, but like, I'm just like in the, I don't think about it anymore, whereas before the self-talk in my head was very much this sucks. I hate it. Why am I doing this? But now it's very much like no, this is, I'm a runner.
Speaker 1I can. I can do this.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1Anyway, I find it. I've been like consistently cold plunging again, which has been really fun because it's also like way cooler than it was before. Yeah, um, is that like the weird thing trying to like cut down on the gap of time where, like I walked to the garage and I have a routine where, like I'll hang up my towel, hang up my house coat, fucking turn my timer on, turn a podcast on, start my whoop, but like there's that period where I just kind of walk around.
Speaker 2Just kind of like delaying it. Fuck yeah, I still do that.
Speaker 1Yeah, Very much. And eventually you're just like okay, I just kind of do this.
Speaker 2I'd be done by now if I had just gotten in.
Speaker 1And then you put your feet in and then you're like, hey, my feet are in time to get in. And then it's like boom going, yeah. And you're like, okay, I got five, I'm good. Like I'm cold, I'm good. It's so weird that, like that time period where you just fucking walk laps around your cold bunch before you get in, yeah, that's like just humans just delaying the inevitable.
Speaker 2Yeah, and had you just just walked straight out, jumped in, you'd have been done literally 15 minutes before. Yeah, I know I do. I do that a lot too, Some days worse than others. Anyway, I don't know it's. I think we've beaten this all to death and I just, I'm so jacked for my next family meeting.
Speaker 3No, it's happening today, it's going to be.
Speaker 2I just don't know, I just don't know the merit of going super like hard into it Like I think you, I think I honestly do think that you're going to you need to ease into it to some degree.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I think I've talked about the book Burn the Boats before on this podcast Burn the.
Speaker 1Boats. I've kind of half done an audio book of it. It's a guy who he was like the press secretary for New York during 9-11, helped rebuild like the World Trade Center after it was blown up by the government. Oh, and he was like he helped build the new stadium for the jets. He did all these really cool things and the whole premise of the Burn the Boats is like like you got to just fucking commit Right Again. Like maybe it's just time to delete all my shit. Yeah, I don't know. Yes, it is.
Speaker 1Not all of it, though Some of it Like if I like, I'll keep in. Yeah.
Speaker 2I get it. You see, you're already making excuses.
Speaker 3No, just just just give yourself. Take the SIM card out, no, yeah, and then once a day you get an hour to put that SIM card in and just go to town with X, no only because it's so hard to get the SIM card out.
Speaker 1Yeah, he need that little tool he need a paperclip. He need a paperclip. I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I think we've talked about a lot of things we have.
Speaker 2We talked a lot about the SIM card.
Speaker 3This went nowhere where we thought it was going to go.
Speaker 2We didn't have a plan. Did you have a plan? I had no plan.
Speaker 3I just wanted to ask you guys if you'd rather be married to a hardcore vegan or a hardcore Christian Hardcore.
Speaker 1Christian no.
Speaker 3Tom Segera said a 10 conversation at the end of this. I think just on the basis of it I would go with it. How does she look? It's your wife. It's your wife, and tomorrow she is either going to be a hardcore vegan or a hardcore Christian and she's got all these stereotypical things. You think those come with? Like, such as give me three for each Like oh, I'm going to try and influence everybody around me to do the same as I am.
Speaker 2Which I think is both.
Speaker 3You're married, so you don't have to worry about any of that, the Christian non married stuff Including. You have to follow their path.
Speaker 1I have to be a vegan. Yeah, no, no, no. The choice is that I'm married to somebody, not that I have to now choose to be, like, religious or a vegan. I don't think I would choose veganism just because I could.
Speaker 3I don't have an answer for this. Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2It's a tough thing Because I know what entails on the one side.
Speaker 3Yeah, like 10 out of 10 Christians.
Speaker 2So your inability to go to church. Here's the Christian side if you're lack of respect of it and you're not willing this to go to church at some point, honestly, your marriage will be over. Well, yeah.
Speaker 1Also why I choose veganism.
Speaker 3Can you get divorced? If you're like a 10 out of 10 Christian, they can right.
Speaker 2Yeah, because they were there, they're a thing would be. Yeah, they can.
Speaker 3Okay, Well, yeah, I could be mind veganism too, I think yeah.
Speaker 1I don't know the neighborhood is slowly becoming vegans.
Speaker 3Yours.
Speaker 1All of ours.
Speaker 2It's an analogy, don't worry about it. Or metaphor, that's a metaphor To metaphor.
Speaker 1You can explain it after Just make sure you put your pronouns in your email, not happening.
Speaker 3We brought the pronoun party book here, it's okay.
Speaker 2If you just it's not good on this one.
Speaker 3No, no, no, yeah, like two hours later.
Speaker 1I would like to, because you mentioned this podcast. Like we just sit here and we had no past today, right, right, no past. We used to have a path.
Speaker 2Well, sometimes yeah, I would say 10% of the time we've had a path.
Speaker 3I think a path would be good, because we do talk about the same things a lot.
Speaker 1We do, but the past might. These conversations are also a lot better. Yeah, but I'm not like. Hey, let's talk about why Twitter is censoring everybody.
Speaker 3You don't know in your future, in like three years from now, how much fun a family meeting is. You just you're going to find out.
Speaker 1Are we keeping like? Are you going to do this meeting right now?
Speaker 3No, no, no.
Speaker 1You're going to get home and be like everybody gather.
Speaker 3It's probably going to be this afternoon before supper. We're going to have a family meeting, talk, and it's going to be good.
Speaker 2I have a bell. Why is your dog trying to break it down? You have a bell Because she has things like kids were outside.
Speaker 1They'd ring it for dinner and the kids would call.
Speaker 3Oh no, this no.
Speaker 1Do you want to borrow it?
Speaker 3No, I yell up the stairs and down the stairs 10 minutes, 10 minutes and then a five minute warning and then it's go time and usually take some 10 minutes to get up there.
Speaker 1You're going to like dim the lights and play some ominous music. No, I turn the.
Speaker 3I turn our fireplace on and I put our living room right. It's really bright to give it a good effect.
Speaker 1I love family meetings but why don't you like hood up and do it a little bit more like a like a fucking dark society?
Speaker 3What am I going to get? Like a paddle and just like, do it. Like. What are we talking about? I didn't put a hood on.
Speaker 1Like I'm talking like you know, like some ominous, like hood candlelight, like not a white supremacist. Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 2You say it was a white hood.
Speaker 3Well, people are going to assume it's a white hood.
Speaker 1If it's a hood, you know, a hood, or a red hood, like a handmade, stale kind of hood. No, like a dark, like you know you get a burning cross.
Speaker 3Like what are those? Like doctor masks from back in the day with a long nose which also worked for COVID? Yes, very much so. Okay anyway, there's a lot of COVID talk in the last podcast I listened to and I'm just mad by the next time, I will have YouTube deleted off my kids devices and I'm very excited for it. How's your kids been? How's it been? Fine, fine, yeah, like zero, yeah.
Speaker 1All right, I'm all in. So, so what are you deleting today? I'll have to commit here because I'm deleting Netflix today.
Speaker 3Really Netflix? Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2I don't, I don't have an answer for you. I don't want to make a commitment on air and then not do it. So give me let me.
Speaker 1let me have a conversation with my wife. I was just going to say I'm deleting Netflix today, but I don't know if my wife yeah, exactly, let me have a conversation.
Speaker 2It was our 17th wedding anniversary yesterday. Oh yeah, I know it's a long time, that's so old. We went to the water tower Really good.
Speaker 3Can I be?
Speaker 2speaking of.
Speaker 3And like not super pricey.
Speaker 2I wasn't cheap, but it was. It was very good.
Speaker 3Like less than keg more than cost.
Speaker 1About the same.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1On the topic of the water tower. I hate blocked phone calls. You know, when you get a private, you hate this as much as I do. Yeah, it certainly calls you from a block number and then doesn't leave a message or a text or whatever and you're like who the fuck called me?
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Fuck that person. I hate that as much as I hate random questions that I've not given any context for for weeks on end, Like hey, do you like the keg?
Speaker 2Well, I couldn't. That one broke me for days. So I sent him a message asking no, I asked him.
Speaker 3It's a simple question.
Speaker 1The person, asked him hey, do you like the keg? And he's like yes.
Speaker 2And I was like okay, and I just walked away, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3And then he couldn't leave it alone.
Speaker 1I texted him and I was like what the fuck is going on? And then he's like you'll find out eventually.
Speaker 3People have asked like text me stuff like that, you'll find out eventually.
Speaker 1That's even worse.
Speaker 3Yes, no, that's the bad part.
Speaker 1That's bullshit right.
Speaker 2Because you like the keg and I respond back to text.
Speaker 3yes, I do, and then that's it. I'm fine with that. But if you were to say, yeah, I've learned to become comfortable with that because that was a really triggering thing. But then you come back with you'll find out in a bit. That's no.
Speaker 1Well, he texted me. Yeah, Because I said why did you ask me that? And you're like well, don't worry about it. Yeah, he's like. He literally says don't worry about it.
Speaker 3And I'm like well, no, I am worried about it. Oh, no, don't worry about it, that's fine. Yeah, exactly, thank you, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1I'd be like Because it's like a don't worry about it. That's what the words say because you asked me a question with no context and I don't like that. What does it matter? It matters because, like I, want to understand the intent.
Speaker 2And did you eventually understand Of?
Speaker 3course I did. You need to get on that. Is it something you can control?
Speaker 1And that's what I spent three days meditating about after he did that to me.
Speaker 2It was a lesson I was teaching you a lesson. Yeah, and you broke me for a while. I taught you a lesson. That's amazing and in the end he found out why, and maybe he's all good this time.
Speaker 3Was it anything that you did anything to do with anything?
Speaker 1It wasn't what he thought, that's for sure it was definitely not what I thought it would be like being delayed gratification. It'd be like me going to you and being like Do you have any biotics in your closet? That's the way of question.
Speaker 3So he says no.
Speaker 2No, I don't, you should get some.
Speaker 3No, no, no, no, no. You can't do that, it's okay Did you give me something.
Speaker 2I'm confused here.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's the point. And then I was just like don't worry about it.
Speaker 2I wouldn't be worried about it because I don't think you'd give me. We haven't been making out and I feel like you didn't give me anything. My immune system is a lot better than yours because you have a beta immune system.
Navigating Information and Beliefs
Speaker 3Maybe it's the beta in me. I don't need to know everything about what everyone's asking me stuff.
Speaker 2Why focus on things you can't control? Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3I used to, and then there was a therapist that told me that why focus on things? You?
Speaker 1can't control, just get vaccinated, if I can anyway, yeah, don't.
Speaker 3No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't, yeah, you wouldn't. You wouldn't get vaccinated, I wouldn't be worried about it, oh yeah.
Speaker 1I'd be worried thinking about it, but you can't control how they test the vaccine, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 2I'm not worried about it because I don't put it in my body.
Speaker 3I'm not worried about it at the table with a bunch of true bloods.
Speaker 2No one, yeah, you're one. And what he wishes he was, he was, he was he had that drastically rigid to two who wishes.
Speaker 1The problem is, I feel like I'm a smart person. Well, generally usually like I'm as averagely smart as anybody.
Speaker 2I agree, but we, you would not see the light on this one, but so okay.
Speaker 1I don't know how much longer we're going here, but it's the same thing with the fucking infinite banking system.
Speaker 3Okay, at least at least 45 more minutes now.
Speaker 1It takes me oh, I've realized as just who I am as a person, complicated issues that affect me. When there's like a whole bunch of information presented to me at the outset, it takes me a long time to process those information, that information, and come to like a real decision about how I feel and where my values relate to that. It happened with COVID.
Speaker 2It happened with this you know I struggle with and I think I'm actually getting better, is like. So when I started this, you know I was.
Speaker 1I was preaching was evangelizing as you do with everything.
Speaker 2Yeah, as I do right and, and it drives me crazy when people don't see it like I see it and like same with the COVID thing. I was like, well, guys, I don't know, like, like, like, look at this stuff and everyone's like no, whatever. And so I've had to be, I've had to become comfortable with like people not being ready for certain information. It's like you can, you can. It's weird, I find it's weird.
Speaker 3You can have. You gotten into things before and went, went all in and then realized, well, it's not that great.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2That was worth it, but that's the thing is like sometimes you, certain people, aren't ready to hear a message, even though you know, you know or you believe that that message is something they need to hear, and so all you can do is present the information, try to explain why it's important or why you think it's beneficial, and then try not to get lose your mind when no one else is. That's how I felt about, that's how I felt about the COVID thing. That's how I feel about a little bit about the same for the bank. You think it's very beneficial for everybody. Most people, not everybody.
Speaker 1most people have been official or and maybe like people, myself included, need to be more open to information, because I think that would shorten the loop of like, understanding, acceptance, whatever you want to like, whatever that looks like Because it's tough right, like the COVID thing, like and I mean we all.
Speaker 1This is why I'm really frustrated that I got vaccinated, because, like we all did it out of like a, you know, it's easier to do it than not. Well, and that's a decision I don't like, right, that's a compromising decision that I'm not proud of. But also, like there was a degree of like, I Think this is the best course of action I have, based on the information I have at the time, except that the information I had at the time was so incredibly flawed, right, and that there was perhaps signs to that, pointers to that, saying like, hey, hold up red flag. Some of this information is wrong and flawed and just an outright lie in my opinion, and they were just ignored right.
Speaker 2But that that's the stuff, I think, and from my perspective of it, where you try to share some of that information that you've seen, that maybe other people haven't, you feel like they either haven't seen or they Haven't taken With much. I don't know like I like the Peter McCullough stuff, like like again, a guy who's a world-renowned doctor, who's Same thing, guys, I don't know about this and then, but everyone's like, well, he's a kook all of a sudden. All of a sudden he's a kook. You're like, but this is literally the most published dude in the States when it comes to cardiology stuff. You're like everyone's calling him basically a liar now and you're like well, like, anyway.
Speaker 2That's the kind of thing that for me, was super frustrating when it's like, okay, but there's this other side of information, that's he being silenced, or at least no one's taking real, and that that's where I was like, okay, well, all I can do is show this is what I'm seeing and this is why I have some doubts, and then, whatever you guys make a decision, you make a decision, but or you just go like I'm like right in the middle, where I just trusted the government and I literally did.
Speaker 3The guy was like, ah, that they got our best interest in mind and I just did it. And then I'm like holy shit. Now I see why people don't?
Speaker 1that's also, and I think you and I, like I suspect our parents, were of the same mindset, like I was just 100%.
Speaker 3yeah, they got us.
Speaker 1It's all good yeah and my parents still to this day. They're like you know. They have our best interest at heart, which is so fucking not true. I could think of a group of people that couldn't have our best interest at heart less than the government. Right, yeah, and it's just how you raised, right yeah, I trust the government Well.
Speaker 2I was my parents fault it took the back.
Speaker 1I think your upbringing may have had something to do with it.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, but that's that's how it was back then. The government's got us it's good.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3I mean, and there's still that a little, not as much.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't trust them at all.
Speaker 2Um, yeah, I see what you're saying. I just I again. I personally I've had to become comfortable with Just people not not seeing it the way you see it right, which is tough and and and it's tough, but it's understandable. I mean, it happens in lots of things, right.
Speaker 1But you'd get a nursing home where you go, perhaps deal with some patients, right, you're like, hey, like. From my objective viewpoint, there's some really easy answers to these problems right, yeah. Unfortunately, because you are so embroiled in your issues right, can't see them completely.
Speaker 2Yeah, completely, and that's how people are in general. They, some people, just aren't ready for certain information, which is frustrating, especially when it's like you feel like it's fairly objective information and they're just like no, can't see it, no, they're wrong, and like. This obviously is the rabbit hole of religion as well, and maybe that's why I was hesitant, because I kind of grew up coming out of that system where I was like Just believe, because you have to believe, it's just there's no answer. Faith, faith is the answer. It's not really like there's no actual tangible thing. And so I wasn't I'm not, I wasn't willing to just be like oh, that's the okay, I just have to believe, I just have to believe the government has my interest in our bar, versus like, let me look at other other information. Yeah, show me the ingredients of your cake. Yeah, exactly, anyway, I don't know what we got in that for.
Speaker 1I don't know it's, I don't know that the podcast, the Brett Weinstein podcast. Great, I need to listen that one you do, because he also talks about how AIDS is very similar to some of this.
Speaker 2So I saw that, I saw that and I saw Michael Schermer. The skeptic yeah, and he does a little bit crazy on some things. But he also was very much skeptical about literally everything, and so he said we had literally did an article about the thing that you're saying, claiming back in the 90s in our magazine and we explained it. So again, you have to take everything with a grain of salt, I think.
Speaker 1But well, and that, and maybe that's the problem is, every Single thing now has to be taken with a grain of salt, and exactly so.
Speaker 2how do you and that's the thing is so how do you Trust anything? Yeah, or how do you devise what is true, what isn't true? It's impossible, it's impossible.
Speaker 1Peasants, we shall stay.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3I'm gonna make an itinerary for the family, probably my wife could take minutes.
Speaker 2You probably should. Otherwise you're gonna because you didn't take minutes on the podcast.
Speaker 3I made a list of my plan to get rid of my phone. That's about it.
Speaker 1And we'll discuss some, some steps today, I think.
Speaker 2Yeah we shall discuss next time, if you do.
Speaker 3Have fun with mr Beast kid. You won't see him after today because YouTube is gone.
Speaker 2It's honestly. It was an easy fix and it wasn't. It hasn't caused that many giant issues to be.
Speaker 1Who are we, who are you having on the podcast next? Well, we need to have the radical apathy boys yeah but how do we get them scheduled when we can't even get ourselves? Yeah, that's a problem, it's okay schedule in the future. Three days in the past.
Speaker 3Let's put three dates in in the next three weeks.
Speaker 1What can we hear, can we? You can stop listening now, everybody. We could also stop the podcast.
Speaker 3We're not attached to these things. This is not like the matrix, and we have to.
Speaker 1I was just wondering can we get a scheduling app? We could, yeah, there is text message, no, no, no, no, like a counter, like a joint calendar, where it's like hey, like I'm on a schedule, like why don't we just put like when you guys, when we figure a podcast, I just put it in my calendar.
Speaker 2You're the only one who schedule is really a problem, and how is your schedule the problem?
Speaker 1I'm sorry. You are aware of what. My schedule is right, different than ours.
Speaker 2Yeah he's got the he's the problem because he does?
Speaker 3he has more time off and yeah, less responsibilities.
Speaker 1I also wear, like like both of you, I wear a number of hats.
Speaker 3Yes, you have a hat that takes up a day every few weeks. All right, all right.
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