The Average Superior Podcast
#39: Unpacking the Baggage of Social Sips and Sobriety
Ever wondered how a fizzy fermented drink could be a pivot to wellness and side-splitting tales from a Mexican resort? Our latest episode bubbles over with stories from home brewing Tonica Kombucha to poolside anecdotes and the amusing complexities of group vacation dynamics. We muse on the quirky life at a swim-up bar and the laughter that ensues when planning trips with friends, all while emphasizing the importance of a healthy gut microbiome for a vibrant life.
Navigating the social seas can be tricky, especially when it comes to drinking. We share our personal challenges with alcohol, questioning whether moderation or sobriety wins in our quest for health. Alongside, we ponder marijuana's place in our routines, using personal health tracking to illuminate how these substances truly affect us. Through candid conversations, we explore the true cost of indulgence and how to assert personal boundaries in the face of societal pressures.
In the pursuit of growth and happiness, we discuss the struggle and joy found in the consistency of daily routines. We open up about the wisdom of time, self-talk, and the shaping of young minds, revealing how non-negotiable habits like a morning cold plunge can sculpt not just our bodies, but our resolve. Join us as we share laughs, swap life lessons, and leave you contemplating your own path to fulfillment—no guests, just two friends and a whole lot of life to unpack.
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Ever wondered how a fizzy fermented drink could be a pivot to wellness and side-splitting tales from a Mexican resort? Our latest episode bubbles over with stories from home brewing Tonica Kombucha to poolside anecdotes and the amusing complexities of group vacation dynamics. We muse on the quirky life at a swim-up bar and the laughter that ensues when planning trips with friends, all while emphasizing the importance of a healthy gut microbiome for a vibrant life.
Navigating the social seas can be tricky, especially when it comes to drinking. We share our personal challenges with alcohol, questioning whether moderation or sobriety wins in our quest for health. Alongside, we ponder marijuana's place in our routines, using personal health tracking to illuminate how these substances truly affect us. Through candid conversations, we explore the true cost of indulgence and how to assert personal boundaries in the face of societal pressures.
In the pursuit of growth and happiness, we discuss the struggle and joy found in the consistency of daily routines. We open up about the wisdom of time, self-talk, and the shaping of young minds, revealing how non-negotiable habits like a morning cold plunge can sculpt not just our bodies, but our resolve. Join us as we share laughs, swap life lessons, and leave you contemplating your own path to fulfillment—no guests, just two friends and a whole lot of life to unpack.
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Speaker 3:We are an affiliate of them in any way, did you?
Speaker 2:know, tonica Kombucha is sponsored by Average Superior.
Speaker 3:Yeah, technically we did sponsor them. This is the normal taste. It tastes like For Kombucha.
Speaker 1:Because it's fermented, right yeah, so it kind of has a bit of like old beer taste.
Speaker 2:This is not the best one I've had. I don't mind it, but I could see why it would put you off.
Speaker 3:I like the one with the floating thing in it, the one with the floating thing.
Speaker 1:It reminds me of a strong bow, the mother is what it's called right.
Speaker 2:Oh, you like off the.
Speaker 3:I had one where the thing was in there. Yeah, it's just like.
Speaker 2:That's how, when you make it at home, you usually get like completely used in there.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, that's what the mother is. So why is this a scoby?
Speaker 2:A scoby. A symbiotic culture of bacteria.
Speaker 3:I had a friend named Scoby in high school. Was he imaginary? His last name was Scoby.
Speaker 1:Why do you know this much about?
Speaker 2:Kombucha, because I've made Kombucha before.
Speaker 1:And it's good for you because of the gut biome.
Speaker 2:It promotes a healthy gut microbiome Okay.
Speaker 3:So we have three bottles here.
Speaker 2:We're going to be healthy AF, oh it's your guts are going to be running like a well-oiled machine, will we?
Speaker 1:be crapping ourselves for a day or two? Probably the opposite. Have we started? Sure?
Speaker 3:Why do you have to ask if we start? I don't know. I thought this was like I don't know, Speaking of crapping how was Mexico? There was no crapping, no that's good.
Speaker 1:That's a good thing, just the regular amount. Well, it's been like 24 hours since I've had a Pina Colada, so I figure I should probably fix my gut biome. Were you drunk for seven days? No, I wasn't drunk at all, but I drank a lot of Pina Coladas. Honestly, I wasn't. One night I had like maybe three glasses of wine with supper, but that was probably the most I drank at one time. Other than that, it was just the drink spread out over an hour or two.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:It was good. Mexico was good. It was hot like crazy. The resort we went to was the same as last time, but this time it was noticeably busier, which wasn't awesome, but I think it was because we went a month later than last year. That last year went in February and there was like a couple of groups of obviously like spring breakers and like and I don't fully understand, because I remember when I was in university, like 20 years old-ish, I didn't have money to go to an Aburro Star resort.
Speaker 2:Yeah right Well it's a Aburro Star, it's just not a cheap Mexico resort.
Speaker 1:Like if I had gone to Mexico at that age it would have been to like some crappy hotel all-inclusive. Did these people strike you as having, maybe rich families?
Speaker 3:Well, that's not true.
Speaker 1:Rich families- Well, it's got to be something right.
Speaker 3:Because there's no way. I don't mean what are you doing here? You don't belong here.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 3:I.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, but it just was like, how do you have the funds? I suppose it's probably family, but yeah, it was weird. There's a group of probably 10 guys and 10 girls who are like 18 to 20 years old, and it was. It was a lot, it was a lot busier, it was still good. I think.
Speaker 2:If it was that busy consistently, I would probably try to find somewhere else maybe I don't know, it's the risk you run when you Algo made a whole bunch of people in one place.
Speaker 1:What? Yeah, that's kind of how things work.
Speaker 2:Like if you go to, that's what a resort is. But like you don't want to see 18 to 20 year olds there, no, it's not the fact that I saw 18 to 20 year olds.
Speaker 1:It's like it was probably 50% busier than when we went last year. There was significantly more people and I think it's just the time of year we went. It wasn't about who was there, the age of people or anything like that, it just it was noticeably busier.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute. So there's other people at this resort. I know it was weird, that is so weird.
Speaker 1:I thought I exclusively booked it from our family, but I'm just saying there's like oh, there's some like 20 somethings there just on Spring Breakers. Right, because I think that's why it was. That's all I'm saying is, I think that's why it was busier. Spring Break was happening where, as last year, it was not.
Speaker 3:Yeah and yeah, american Spring Breakers.
Speaker 1:now right, I think, over the next like three, Depending on where they're from, over the next like three weeks it depends on the week, but Anyway, it was really good. I got burnt but it was fun.
Speaker 3:The kids had fun.
Speaker 1:They did. Yeah, they drank a lot of drinks and went and. Oh, they just consistently hit the bar. Oh, I guess, because they can get whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they just mangoes and mango drinks, and so did it have a swim up bar. Yeah, Do you know if I find it gross everybody just standing at that bar pissing themselves, just spilling their drink?
Speaker 3:in there? No, because if they pee themselves, and it does the color.
Speaker 2:We settled that on this podcast.
Speaker 1:Check out our last episodes. You were there because you. It was Joel.
Speaker 3:Was it the?
Speaker 2:last one, yeah, the last First time we had Joel on, we debunked that.
Speaker 3:But I was here for that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were. I do remember googling such here, so that was you that fed it out.
Speaker 3:So you can pee in a pool, and it doesn't change color Exactly, so do I find it gross?
Speaker 1:No, well, here's the thing. If you thought about anything in a major resort with a ton of people, it would be gross.
Speaker 2:Like really, but that's what happens. When you've made a whole bunch of people in one place, people start pissing in pools.
Speaker 1:I do, but this pool is so gigantic it makes the piss less serious. Well, it very much dilutes it. Yes, yeah you're right, the ratio is less. The pool is gigantic.
Speaker 2:I'd say zero parts per million of piss to water is my ideal ratio. Anything above that is unacceptable.
Speaker 3:What pool is zero parts per million?
Speaker 1:Exactly? No, I bet it's not Exactly. Because you poop. You have a tunicized crap in your underwear every day.
Speaker 3:And you have a very small child that I'm pretty sure is probably pee to end or poop in that bathtub. Exactly, are they in the bathtub yet, or is it still like the sink?
Speaker 2:They identify as she or her. Why do you?
Speaker 3:say they. I don't want to fucking gender them, why would? You say they Anyway what are they doing?
Speaker 2:She, sorry, what are you asking me?
Speaker 3:Are you in the bathtub stage yet, or is it still like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a pre-bath tub stage.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They stand up in the shower and they're like that first.
Speaker 3:They're good.
Speaker 1:Just walk right in.
Speaker 3:Quick sauna and they're fine.
Speaker 2:No, there's pee in your bathtub, then Well, first off she has her own bathtub. Okay, I don't know if there's pee in there, I can assure you there's no pee in my hot tub, I can assure you.
Speaker 1:any pool you've ever been in there's been urine and feces in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know what it's significantly worse when it's not my urine that's guaranteed you don't.
Speaker 1:And I'm not saying anyone poops themselves.
Speaker 3:No, it does make it worse?
Speaker 2:Oh, of course it does. Would you rather pee on yourself or have somebody else pee on?
Speaker 3:I think, a non-familial pee. That's why my bathtub is not. Yeah, something my family can pee in there and it's not as bad.
Speaker 2:Well, on the sliding On the spectrum, it's not as bad, it's still better than Zero is the ideal number. Yeah, but it's not possible. How do you know that?
Speaker 1:You're never going to get zero pee or poo in a pool, in a public pool. Never happening. Yeah, that's why you don't go in them. You don't go in public pools ever.
Speaker 3:Why do I? I don't like it.
Speaker 1:Well, you don't think about it. That's the point is. You don't think about it and you trust that there's enough chemicals in there that it's killing the things that are potentially bad.
Speaker 3:He doesn't like people. Amounts of eating, and Literally every single weekend in the public pool.
Speaker 1:In the summer they're having to evacuate because someone took a log and is floating in the pool.
Speaker 2:That's the key word here.
Speaker 1:For like 30 minutes. While they scoop it out, they throw some shock in it and chlorine. They're like all right, we're good.
Speaker 2:Get back in. It's not good for you to go in those chemicals. Sure Is it better for you.
Speaker 1:No shit. Is it better for you to go in those chemicals or to not go in those chemicals and the water to be like kind of gross and have lots of poo particles floating in it that aren't being counteracted by the chemicals? What? What are you asking?
Speaker 3:me. I want to be on his side. He lost me.
Speaker 1:I'd rather be in a chemical free pool, but knowing that you still have a whole bunch of humans going in that pool and so there's skin bacteria, there's urine and feces floating around. So what's worse, that I'd rather be, in chemicals.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd rather be in chemicals too.
Speaker 2:I think the ocean.
Speaker 3:Okay, it's not an option.
Speaker 1:We're talking about pools.
Speaker 3:The ocean is.
Speaker 1:We're big and do you know? The animals pee in that thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, that's literally where they go. What's different? It's not a person. I don't pee as whale as gross. It's not whale as gross. Yeah, it kind of is. Would you rather have like a hobo pee on your leg or a whale?
Speaker 3:Yeah, a whale.
Speaker 1:Why does it have to be a hobo? Because that's like.
Speaker 3:Why does it have to be a?
Speaker 2:whale. You say a dog. Well, dogs don't live in the ocean, Jason.
Speaker 1:That's fair.
Speaker 3:I think someone's peeing on me. I'd rather be in the ocean, because there's water between me and the thing that's peeing.
Speaker 1:This is a terribly dumb conversation and you're also not considering all of the people living in Atlantis, like the millions of people that live under the sea?
Speaker 3:Do you believe in Mermaid's Merman stuff?
Speaker 1:No, but I do believe there was an Atlantis.
Speaker 3:It's.
Speaker 1:Mert people.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I do think there was an Atlantis, for sure.
Speaker 2:That's cool, by show of hands. I think there was an Atlantis.
Speaker 3:I don't really know what that is. I've watched a movie once.
Speaker 1:No, but that's not the point. Like the island is a sump right yeah a portion of land that was probably once above water is no longer above water, and our whole civilization essentially vanished.
Speaker 3:I agree. Yeah, ice-burden melting I agree, no yeah there was an.
Speaker 2:Atlantis? I think so too Did you watch?
Speaker 1:Graham Cancox or the Republican apocalypse something.
Speaker 2:Ancient apocalypse. I really like that show.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised you haven't watched it because I'm sure we've talked about it. I've watched a lot of TV. You would love that, Joe.
Speaker 3:You watch a ton of TV. What TV do I watch? Yeah, I just, I hate you, sir. I'll wait till the apocalypse.
Speaker 1:You should watch it. It's actually very, very interesting. Five seasons, what? No, that's not the right one. Maybe that's not the right name. Look up.
Speaker 2:Graham Hancock.
Speaker 1:Netflix Lemonade Lime is not bad, I'm still working on the first one, I'm worried about drinking too much of this and then.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, one season.
Speaker 1:What is it you think is going to happen? I'll get an upset stomach, atomic I was going to say tummy, and that sounded stupid.
Speaker 2:You tried to stop halfway through it. Yeah, and it didn't work. No, you won't get an upset tummy, because the fermentation is meant to ease your digestion. We'll find out. I guess All those things that happen in your belly, in your tummy, in my tummy, Speaking of tummies.
Speaker 1:This isn't related to tummies. I'm going to be upset.
Speaker 2:My pec is located near my tummy. It really hurts right now.
Speaker 1:This is not about tummies. He wrecked himself today.
Speaker 3:I pulled a muscle in my pec today Are you serious With weights or some of your Jiu-Jitsu With a large British?
Speaker 2:man On top of me, let's talk about large, though he's long.
Speaker 3:Larger.
Speaker 1:He's tall, I wouldn't say large.
Speaker 3:I would say large, Like a complimentary large. Who we compared it to Standing next to me, I might not say he's large but perhaps other people might be larger.
Speaker 1:I think when I think large, I think thick. He's not fat, no, he's like skin and bones. I wouldn't say that either.
Speaker 2:Well, muscles too.
Speaker 1:My point is he's thin.
Speaker 3:What is your problem?
Speaker 1:I'm not going to say he is thin, but I think he's like when you hear the word large, do you not think like thick? I think both of them.
Speaker 3:Are you large?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Obviously, obviously.
Speaker 2:I'm still mortified, somehow, that you and I are the same body fat percentage.
Speaker 1:Mortified for who, Me?
Speaker 2:I was like I don't know if I should take that as a compliment. We should run a contest and be like Put us side by side and be like who has the lower body fat percentage.
Speaker 1:It's not to that right now, because at the moment After a week in Mexico.
Speaker 2:Why don't we go get it done?
Speaker 1:Get the body cop done.
Speaker 2:What are you going to be upset if you see a number that's higher?
Speaker 3:I know it will be higher. You've done it right.
Speaker 2:Why do we just go do it now? Who cares? If you just came back from Mexico, we had a percent.
Speaker 1:You just did it, didn't you Like, a month ago I was going to do it every month I had it done every month as well. What we're talking about for people listening is a body scatter. It checks your body fat percentage, muscle fat weight. It actually has a name.
Speaker 2:It makes you feel bad about yourself. Can you look it up?
Speaker 3:I don't know what the the process has a name. It's based on the water in your body. It's like an electric.
Speaker 1:I don't know how.
Speaker 2:What I'd like to know is how accurate it is. Somebody told me it was 99% accurate, that seems high.
Speaker 3:The messed up thing is I bought a $30 scale on Amazon that says to do the same thing. I do it that day and I drove home and did it at my house. It was the same results, the whole same readout, everything like that, with my $30 scale.
Speaker 2:I've talked about this on this podcast. I've been trying to pump that $30 scale up. I don't remember anymore Go to Lincoln Arbio for this episode.
Speaker 3:I like the body scan once a month thing. I like the body scan once a month thing.
Speaker 1:It's a little motivating. It's not just motivating but it also shows you it's accountability. It just shows that Because you know if you slack off that month, it'll show you lost muscle mass and you gained fat. That's not good. If it's not a ton, it's reversible, you can get that back, but it's just good to see where you're at. I like it.
Speaker 2:I've been slacking off this month.
Speaker 1:I just have this week, but it feels like a long time. Did you get in your cold?
Speaker 2:plunge before you came here.
Speaker 3:No, I haven't even turned back in since I got home. You had a cold plunge at all. No down there there's nothing like that Warm plunge.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you a question about cold plunge Sure?
Speaker 3:I've been here a few off days.
Speaker 2:Generally like probably like 30-35 days in. I don't find that I'm, I don't find that I'm the shivering that happens after it doesn't seem to be getting shorter or easier.
Speaker 3:I'm always shivering, my ass off.
Speaker 2:That's good. I thought I should be adapting to this.
Speaker 1:In the water. Are you shivering? Generally no, but you used to Sure. I think you do adapt.
Speaker 2:I, unfortunately, am a peasant, so I can't afford a nice cold plunge. I'm kind of subject to my environment.
Speaker 1:I would say that in the summer when we started doing it, you were probably sitting at 12-13 and it was cold. It was hard to get into, yeah, and now you're probably sitting at like 8?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the fluctuation is 7 and 9.
Speaker 1:I know it doesn't sound like a big difference, but that's quite a big difference. Had you tried to get into 8-degree water in the summer, you would have wanted to shoot yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1:Speaking for myself. Before I left I was doing down to almost 4 degrees and I could do it for 3-5 minutes. I would not have got into it in the summer at 4 degrees and if I had got into it there's no chance I could have lasted that long. So it's like you do it. I think you adapt with your ability to handle it, but I don't think that necessarily diminishes, because in the water I'm not shivering when I'm in the water, but when I get out.
Speaker 1:I struggle. It's a struggle to get warm every time, but I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 2:I think that's what your body, I think that's the part where you're getting some benefit, Do you find with yours and the circulation, Because you sit in it and get kind of warmed up and then you flap your arms like a bird and kind of get cold again. Yours that's not an issue, just because it circulates it.
Speaker 1:I haven't been using the circulation. It's recommended that you don't. I'm going to start. I usually turn it off before I get in, but you can. Basically, it wants to make sure that you don't get electric gear, which I don't know why you would. So it is a possibility to leave it on, but I think it would be kind of isolated because it comes in and out of one little spot on the side. So I think that's how it would be colder. Honestly, when I get back into it, hopefully tomorrow, I'm going to probably increase the temperature for a couple of days. I don't think I'm going to jump right back into 4 degrees. What do you mean? Hopefully tomorrow? It depends on how much time I have. We got home last night at 10.30. Through my suitcase on the ground, I tried to do some laundry and got to work this morning. So I haven't had time to do much.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you're taking that day off today. Yeah, kind of Getting your poop in a group.
Speaker 1:That's why we're drinking the bamboo shot. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to get back on.
Speaker 3:And lemon shine is. Mango shine is not good. Yeah you're not going to like mango shine.
Speaker 2:I'm going to hate the last one, what's the middle?
Speaker 1:one. The middle one was good.
Speaker 3:The blue one.
Speaker 1:It smells like an alcoholic drink.
Speaker 2:They do make alcoholic kombucha drinks in the states, the concept sounds fairly appealing.
Speaker 3:Hey so we could do that here.
Speaker 1:Have you booked flights to Vegas yet?
Speaker 2:I have not.
Speaker 1:You booked a hotel in Vegas, yet Are you going to back out on us?
Speaker 2:and not come to Vegas? Probably not.
Speaker 1:I did not like that. What is going on Um?
Speaker 2:I've got a lot of planes in here right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, one of them is you've bought tickets to this event that you're going to go to one time in your life, yeah.
Speaker 2:You're coming, I probably.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, you're coming, yeah, and if I can make a recommendation and I'm sorry to your wife for saying this on here, but you should come alone, and not because I don't want her to come, I'm not. I'm sorry, I'm not saying that I don't want you to come, but bringing a child is another story. I'm not bringing a child, okay, but I thought there was. The plan was back when you mentioned it.
Speaker 2:No, at no point in the planning stage was I going to bring in a one year old?
Speaker 1:Okay, Because I thought the plan was you like, your wife and your child were coming and I was like how is this going to work?
Speaker 2:But I will pass along your desire for me to leave her behind.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm sorry Because you're going to listen to this. Probably she doesn't listen anymore.
Speaker 3:I thought she used to. No, you could talk all the shit. Oh perfect. You meant just like don't bring the kid.
Speaker 1:That's what?
Speaker 2:that's what it was. I thought that they're coming he's going to take to save face here. No, I heard that that's legit what I thought.
Speaker 1:I thought that they were coming. You're bringing everyone.
Speaker 2:And I was like, yeah, I need somebody. So I want to have our friend easy back on the podcast and I want to do an episode about extreme.
Speaker 1:I don't want to call it couponing, but extreme traveling, dude, extreme travel couponing you can save up 400 bucks between now and then, to go totally.
Speaker 2:Yes, not an issue, but I need somebody, like easy, to be my travel agent, and he's coming, so this could be like solve this problem. Yeah, we've already got a hotel booked. I just want a person who I just say I'm going into this place, just tell me when to be at the airport. Yeah, you can oh?
Speaker 1:yeah. Yeah, you can travel agent, but I still don't understand what this, what I don't understand the resistance here. Yet I don't fully understand.
Speaker 3:Is it?
Speaker 1:money. No, okay, it's time. Okay, oh God, read the book. Die with zero, please, because it's about experiences.
Speaker 2:Don't have time? Oh, shut up.
Speaker 1:It's about experiences. This is an experience that we will not do again, most likely. I agree, okay, cool. So I need you. I need you to commit and book some stuff, okay. Okay, I'm working on it, okay, it's in like the middle of my.
Speaker 2:it's actually not even on my. I'll put it on my to-do list and then I'll get them. How's that? Yeah, I love that. That'd be great to be. So. Here's the thing. Yes, do you know? Okay, you know why, like when you put a sticky note I'm sure we've talked about this on the podcast Do you put a sticky note in the fridge Right and then, like after an X number of days, you just your brain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you. So what's up looking at it.
Speaker 2:The same kind of thing happens with sticky notes that are in your brain. Okay, so, like often, I'm like I need to book my, my flights to Vegas, and then the next time I'm like I'm going to Vegas, and the next time I'm like, oh, it's a normal day.
Speaker 1:I get sure.
Speaker 2:And then, three weeks later, like I haven't thought about this in a month.
Speaker 1:That's fine, but but and I'm not even worried about that because, like I haven't booked my flight yet, I still need to book that the hotel's booked. But that being said, when I asked you if you're coming and you're like well, I am, but I can't say a hundred percent until I booked a flight, you can say what if?
Speaker 2:what if? What if I can't get a flight?
Speaker 1:You can get to Vegas, to Vegas, yeah, you can get a flight, you're fine.
Speaker 2:Seen, since we're just done this podcast. We're just, we're just talking about our own personal travel plans here. I guess Can I hear grievance. Yeah, my grievance with this whole trip is is that four dudes got together, five dudes an unknown number of dudes got together and said, hey, let's all go to this fun thing. And then they all just went and booked their own fucking hotel rooms and flights because no, first of all, flights are booked.
Speaker 1:Well, some of them are Okay, well, one person's is. So the problem was you for in my recollection of the events again, maybe I'm wrong. My recollection of the events is you may actually go back in text and look at you made it seem like, yeah, yeah, we'll figure out where we want to stay.
Speaker 2:Only yeah, okay, maybe, but only because, like, because everybody's like I'm going, but I'm staying here, but I'm staying here. No, I wasn't these days.
Speaker 1:No, I'm going these days. No, there was conversation started that was like let's book a place. And then people started easy, started throwing out suggestions and I'm like yeah, wherever man, I don't care. And then you kind of were like felt like you were backpedaling, like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I need to figure this out for myself and my wife here and I don't know if I want to be involved in this booking of this group with people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:And I can't confirm or deny that I actually even coming, because I don't even know and I might be bringing a one year old.
Speaker 2:So it just I'm sorry to everybody listening to this podcast that you have to listen to this right now. I'm enjoying this much like, much like COVID, or just like COVID, or or infinite banking. Sometimes I just need some time to just wrap my head around some things.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's proving my point. So we wanted to pull the trigger and book something and you're kind of like whoa, yeah, like, why would you? So then you can't complain that we're not doing it together.
Speaker 2:A wise man once told me oh my God, you can run down the hill and fuck a sheep. I'm not sure that's how this went. I think you already messed that out.
Speaker 1:I think you can build a thousand bridges. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I think you already messed this up. Okay, no, I'm going to start this again, because I did fuck this up. Yeah, you did so. There's an old sheep and a young sheep standing on the top of a hill, and the young sheep ran down the hill and fucked one sheep where, when the old sheep walked down the hill and fucked all the sheep, the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2:And I'm just confused as to why the young one couldn't just keep going because he ran down the hill and scared all the other sheep away. So the moral of the story which I've done such justice to we don't need to rush into it Tortoise and the hare. That's all you had to say, instead of being sheep fucking into it, that's like tortoise and the hare Done, I don't know that parable.
Speaker 1:Yes, you do the race when they race each other.
Speaker 3:He's joking. He has to know that. Everyone knows that Every human knows that.
Speaker 2:Okay, what I like, I get that the tortoise and the hare and some of those fast and slow and slow and said he runs away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly Done. I think fucking sheep is a little bit more entertaining.
Speaker 2:So more of the story is. I'm walking down the hill right now.
Speaker 1:Right, but sometimes, sometimes you got to run and take advantage of deals.
Speaker 3:Remember Tommy Boyd when he's like you can get a pretty good look at a T-bone steak and then he messes that saying up like four times in front of the guy. I don't remember that.
Speaker 1:What I remember, the movie pieces of it, but not that one Never mind All right.
Speaker 2:I am sorry, I can either confirm or deny whether or not I'm coming to Vegas. You should go. You make me Okay.
Speaker 1:But, that being said, I just want to throw it out there, though. If you are coming by yourself, you can come in a room that we already have.
Speaker 3:You're not going to have four guys in a room.
Speaker 1:I'll spoon with easy. I have no issue with that.
Speaker 3:I understand the four guys in a room. It's not a big deal. That's the other thing.
Speaker 2:It's not a friend group always result in ridiculous travel schedules with no fucking sleep and sleeping arrangements that are uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Okay, first of all, that was one time in Vegas.
Speaker 3:Second of all, I didn't mind it, I just thought the four in the room was like like we make, we make dates Like we're lower middle class I'm a middle class Like we can at least get two in a room as opposed to four in a room Right, but why not save money if you can? Because I didn't four people in a room was a little much. It wasn't that bad, yeah, but when people get drunk and they sleep, then they're snoring and people wake up at different times. You just limit the variabilities.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to set about that. I'm just trying to offer a option for you. Yeah, that's all I'm saying Back to you.
Speaker 2:You haven't really given me an option. You've just kind of like oh, I guess you have given me an option. Yeah, it did give you a full, a complete option.
Speaker 3:You've got a bed, you just need a book.
Speaker 1:No, you don't have to. You just have to book a flight Book. But I have to you as well. I'm telling you I haven't booked a flight yet, so don't worry about. Anyway, moving on, that's in August 80CC 2024.
Speaker 3:Is. That is what's the name, that guy who looks like 60?
Speaker 1:Gordon Ryan. Yeah, he gonna be there.
Speaker 3:Is he gonna win?
Speaker 2:like everything, he will be there, but I don't think he's competing, I think he's gonna. He's all fucked up.
Speaker 3:Oh he's, he tears pack, or what he's hurt His tummy hurts yeah. It's March and he's good.
Speaker 2:No, so what he has said is that he is, he's made, he's having some gastro issues. Stairs are really hard on the stomach. Okay, right, so anabolic steroids are very hard on the stomach.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is he drinking kombucha? I don't know, because he needs. He should be having fermented food. So, hypothetically, if he was using steroids which I'm not sure if he is or not I'm pretty sure he's admitted that he does, Don't yeah, probably.
Speaker 3:There's no regulations in that.
Speaker 2:Everybody in jujitsu is using steroids at this point.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyone is good, pretty much.
Speaker 3:Except for Mikey Musimachi. So you guys obviously aren't.
Speaker 1:True, confirmed, confirmed. I can't, I can't throw If you watched my grappling today.
Speaker 2:that is confirmed, oh anyway, Not using steroids. Anyways, he had some stomach issues. He went back and competed too early, which it like allowed, did not allow him to recover from his stomach issues. So he has come out and said that until he is fully healed he is not competing and I do not think we'll see him in August.
Speaker 1:I think what he said was that he's not competing until ADCC.
Speaker 3:Maybe I think that's what he said.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he had no plans. He wants to save himself for AD, he wants to be, he wants to compete in ADCC, so he's not working during any competition until then. That's what I think he said. Yeah, he's not going to I think it'll be cool man, there's going to be some.
Speaker 3:I think Until ADCC.
Speaker 1:Like Jaco's daughter, I think you'll be there. Yeah she's like coming quite the grappler. Yeah, she's crazy. Well, when you're training with like those guys like the Jaco trains with, I mean, yeah, I think you're picking up some things he resembles him.
Speaker 2:I'm excited for all the merch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's swag. I need to bring a lot of money just by t-shirts.
Speaker 2:I don't intend on doing a lot of gambling.
Speaker 1:Me neither.
Speaker 2:I don't want to drink anymore, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'd be an interesting trip. I think it'll be fun. I think that'll take up a lot of time and then maybe see a show. It depends on how late things go, I guess.
Speaker 2:but Actually, let's talk about this Right. So I'm torn right now.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I listened to a podcast which is the impetus to all the decisions we make in our lives.
Speaker 3:Yes, it is.
Speaker 2:I have been wrestling with my with your mic and the squeaking. I like that too much. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Can you stop squeaking your mic, stop rubbing your face on the floor.
Speaker 2:It's my mic condom. I can rub all of it. I can rub whatever I want on this.
Speaker 3:Okay, fine, go pee in the pool then too, while you're at it, anyway.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're struggling. Sorry, back to your starting point. I wouldn't say struggling.
Speaker 2:I don't know if struggling is the right word, but I have come to the conclusion for myself that I do not like drinking.
Speaker 3:No, I'm the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm with you and I came to this conclusion long before I listened to this podcast. But I listened to a podcast where Jocko and Echo were. They were just talking about alcohol and it sounded like Echo basically kind of like fell off the wagon a little bit, started drinking again and then noticed obviously the negative reverberations throughout his life as a result of that. And so for the year 2024, I've said I'm not drinking, I'm not drinking at all. This year I'm not a I'll have a sip of champagne the other week but I'm not fucking drinking right. And I'm trying to decide right now if I just go all in and say I don't drink anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or if, like I'm trying, if I'm leaving the door open for some unknown reason.
Speaker 1:I hear you completely and I've had the same thoughts, because it's like I guess, I guess the question is what is the point of absolutes right? I don't know. I struggle with these things in a lot of things, because if you're like I'm not, I don't do it, I'm not doing it anymore at all, I'm not doing it anymore. But are you depriving yourself of you know one night, deciding I want to or I'm going to, and I mean Don't know, is it deprivation? That it's a weird. It's a weird question because I don't know the answer and I've struggled with that as well.
Speaker 2:Well, that's, you should listen to the podcast, because they tackle this issue. Okay, and they come to the resolution that the absolute in this context is valuable. And I find it valuable in my life and thinking like I can say right now With a fairly good degree Certainly I'll probably never be drunk again in my life. Mm-hmm, that's how much. That's how much I dislike drinking.
Speaker 1:I feel you know, like I, like I'm, I'm there as well. I went to an all inclusive for a week and I was not drunk yeah, like I just don't. But that being said, I drank the whole time like a couple of drinks a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah but then. But then I'm, but then I'm like why. You know what I mean? I could have had the Virgin version of it and just with the data, like with our group bands, it's like I, you could see, like I had, like I should have had green recovery the whole week, because I literally terrible. I did nothing other than that and I worked out twice. The whole time I didn't work out, I was chilling and my recovery, because of just the slight drinking throughout the day, was like in the yellow, like my body was struggling to recover, which makes no sense right well, and that's the thing is like Maybe not, I don't like I haven't done much of the Mexico thing, but like wine touring or something like that right.
Speaker 2:I like drinking, or like on the deck in the middle summer, like I'd like to have a glass of white wine with my completely dinner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, then have a glass of white wine.
Speaker 1:I know I what he says. I'm like, yeah, I agree with that, but at the same time, I know where you're coming from, because it's like, but do I, do I need to?
Speaker 3:I was like, once it hits your lips, you're just gonna go full Frank the tank.
Speaker 1:But that's not the problem. It's like but if you're not, I guess you're not drinking. If you're not getting drunk, then why even do it at all?
Speaker 3:Yeah, enjoy it with.
Speaker 2:I think it's sometimes and yeah, in the context of wine, like Wine is one of the neatest things you compare with foods because it just changes the yeah, it does right, so call wine out of it. So we take a wine out, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, hard alcohol, I don't. A beer Doesn't really change the food for me. I'm good, I don't either.
Speaker 2:There's a point where I was really loving beer, like IPA is and like good craft beer. I like that, but I don't though my Enjoyment of a good IPA or good craft beer was outweighed by how shitty one a single beer would make my body feel.
Speaker 1:I'm exactly saying I hate, I don't like beer anymore like one one beer and next morning I feel it crap. Yeah, whereas like wine I can have a couple glasses. Then I feel fine the next day. Yes, I don't know what.
Speaker 2:It's something to do with beer, obviously but and I think I'm hung up because like, more so with Certain groups of people, when you know you get together and you're like right but why just have a beer? It's just one is like have a drink right and you're just like. On one hand I could say like, no, like, not tonight. Here's XYZ excuse. On the other hand, I just kind of be like I don't drink man, yeah right, like completely cuz.
Speaker 2:Then you just shut the door right like and I'm fucking on an adult like I was saying like no. Exactly hold me down a board to my lips, but I'm struggling to figure out where I stand on this right now. I completely agree.
Speaker 1:I I'm with you, yeah, but that's not the point. I don't understand this I can put you on a glass of wine just have a glass of wine, yeah but why exactly?
Speaker 3:why? Because For me, my wife and I will every two weeks, maybe we'll get a bottle, and kids go to bed. We're like, yeah, we're gonna have some wine and talk and we just sit there and it's just like a, it's like a social lubricant, maybe for I don't even know. And then we have it with food and stuff and it tastes really good.
Speaker 2:I don't know and again if we can take wine, because I agree with that but in my mind it's only one. I can't remember the last time I just went hard alcohol, just like yeah when's the last time you went to the pub and like with some people friends or guys from work, whatever?
Speaker 3:and you had, like a beer, a couple weeks ago, right why? Yeah, see that's the thing.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, look why drink, yeah, why yeah it's just the social, it's just the social aspect of it and it's it's such a cultural like, it's like a bonding thing, and I don't know why that matters like. I don't know why that drink a drink has to be had for that to happen but in a lot of ways it feels like it does. It feels like I'm missing out if I don't.
Speaker 2:It's weird, I don't it's like it'd be like you go on in the smokers pit, but not being a smoker, minus the second and smoker on that, but like, like, the whole concept, right, like.
Speaker 1:I'm.
Speaker 3:Like the thing that I that be said, though, I enjoy it. Sometimes I'm trying to look. There was a golf tournament fall last year, right, and I just got tanked with one of our friends, brent, and the golf cart and it was a blast and it would have been a lot of fun without the alcohol, but I feel like it was way more fun with the alcohol.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I can, I mean we've all experienced those we're like that right a ton of fun because everybody's having one of our fine, I think but like is that fun because you're all drinking?
Speaker 2:is that fun because?
Speaker 3:there's, it would have been fun regardless.
Speaker 2:Right, and maybe it wouldn't be the same amount of fun or your perception of the fun would have been different. Like I think the thing like when you go out with your groups of friends and I don't think they listen to this, but if they ever do, like my college friends love them to death they like drinking a lot more than I do, right, right. So when I go out with them, like it kind of like they're always like oh, like you're not drinking again, like I'll come, I'm just like, I'm like that's. I'm at the point I was like I don't drink bro, like I just don't drink. But I think like the cognitive dissonance that it causes them by seeing somebody that's part of their group not performing an action that is part of their like actions of the group.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and and I understand the Like, if you just so, if that's where you come to the decision like I don't drink, it's easy, it's fairly easy to be like that I don't drink, like I. But it also you have to. But then I think if you're worried about missing out on the like, friendships, community side, you have to be willing to go still and Be around those people. But that's the problem is, I think it separates you because you're like you don't want to go while they're all drinking and you're not drinking Because it's not as fun, because it just isn't and that's the thing, like in these contexts, like yeah, I am that guy right where everybody's drinking, and they're like oh, like you're not drinking again, like oh.
Speaker 3:It becomes normal, like there's a One of our friends is always doing the coke and coke zero and stuff like that. We go out and people just know that when they come out and no one bugs them and they still, they get invited. All it's not like a thing.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a even about being bugged about it. I think that it's like you. It changes. It's a lot it changes your perception of being in that environment as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it does I agree with that? Like if we're at a table and somebody new shows up and we don't know them and we're all ordered drinks and then they're like, yeah, I'll just have a diet coke, there'll be a bit of me, that'll go huh.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:You know, I mean like just a little bit, like a oh okay, like cuz you because it's different.
Speaker 2:Well, and you start to ask like so what's the motivation behind it? Right? Like is it? Oh yeah, but then what's the motivation? Or like what's the motivation fucking alcohol?
Speaker 3:I had some religion because we live yeah, but then you look at what's the motivation behind me drinking just cuz everyone else is drinking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I kind of like to taste sometimes, like I, like a white rum.
Speaker 2:Do you, yeah, I do okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I Like on the tip of my tongue is where I want to. I feel like I feel your pain here because my tip of the tongue I want to just say right now yeah, I don't drink anymore.
Speaker 2:Right, like I think it's like right there where I just say it no, but I don't.
Speaker 1:I've not the same way I'm like, but I don't know if I want to say it because if you stop drinking, he will book his flight.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with you. You're like, you want to say it, but there's just this like what if?
Speaker 1:well, cuz it's cuz I want to leave the door open a little bit right.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's like you're yeah.
Speaker 3:When we go to a restaurant, if it's just me, my wife, she always gets a drink and she she listens to them. I don't care if you get a drink, I never do.
Speaker 2:See, and that's not, and that's not weird, like it's just, your spouse is totally normal.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, exact same way, but I would be the one, nor I'm the sees the opposite with us.
Speaker 3:I, you would get the drink, and yeah, I'd get like a Caesar, or I'd get like. Caesar's. Yes, eat like that.
Speaker 1:I'd get, but first of all think we go out for the cake and I'll get a Caesar.
Speaker 3:There's a taste of wine, there's a taste element of mojito or something like that. I could really crush on those, but are you?
Speaker 2:compromising like an overarching no, like value or goal in Individual instances, so you can enjoy the taste right now.
Speaker 3:If you put them when you don't from you, I would drink it because of the taste, not because of the atmosphere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I guess. But here's, I don't know, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing it's like I was having this conversation with Tony today. It's like, at the end of the day, we are like cuz, we're all again are we're very much in. I feel like 2024 is like the year of Trying to be better, and I mean that's literally this podcast. Average is superior. That is kind of our Mantra for the last couple of years is trying to be better and different things over lies, fitness, health, whatever it is. But in the, in the end, we're, we're. What are we trying like what? Not the, not the why. But it's like we are not Professional athletes.
Speaker 1:We're not trying to do it necessarily for a physical goal, like, yes, the physical goal of being more fit and being like longevity, and I don't know if you need to play with the Velcro, but anyway, the point is like I guess it's when is enough, when is it enough right? Like when is, or what is too much, or like what is the ultimate purpose of All of these changes that potentially make life Less enjoyable? And I'm not even sure that's the right word, that's the right term, but you're the maybe unnecessary hardship on yourself To obtain what.
Speaker 3:It's like when they think it is a sheep right and the sheep in the top, yeah, and we're trying to walk down.
Speaker 2:We're trying to walk down the hill of life so we can fuck all the sheep at the bottom.
Speaker 3:No, 90, is the juice worth the squeeze? Right totally, and I think for me I'm not gonna give up alcohol because I do enjoy it more than the the detriment that will provide me, like If I have a beer or something like that but I don't think that's quantifiable. Not, and I get what you're saying only personal base to completely but I get what you're saying and I understand it. I'm still gonna have.
Speaker 1:A problem is I don't think it's like said, I don't think that you can actually quantify how much harm it's doing to you, which I think is greater than we think. Listening to the human podcast about alcohol and listening to other, like the dad, it's literally a carcinogen. So you're like I mean they can mean nothing. You could smoke, you like you, you have smokers who can smoke their whole life and never get cancer, or you could be the one that just you're. You have a couple drinks now and then and that literally end your life short.
Speaker 3:But I don't know. That's true. I also feel like alcohol is kind of going away, like it's not. I think like if you looked at overarching alcohol sales in the last two or three?
Speaker 1:years. I disagree. I think it's the people, what we surround ourselves with. I think it's really a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Did you ever wait to tell?
Speaker 3:that.
Speaker 2:Did you ever dissect a frog? Yeah, that's cool yeah so the smell of the formalde. Yeah, yeah it like Reminds, like when I'm hung over. It like rings through my brain that, like this Chemical, is basically you tearing through my body right now. This is the same thing that I used to fucking em bomb frogs.
Speaker 1:It's terrible for your health.
Speaker 2:It is, and that's the thing like I yeah and so then are you compromising, like, okay, I'm making a decision that is Not. It's not gonna have a net positive effect on my life, on my family, on any of that stuff, right and like for at what cost?
Speaker 1:completely and, and even if you do it seldomly, there's still you. You can guarantee there is a negative effect in your life and whether you, whether you can tell or not, it's for sure there's a negative effect on your body.
Speaker 2:Your root band would suggest that's a hundred percent true, completely.
Speaker 1:I didn't feel bad, I felt good, but my body's like I have to work really hard in the middle of the night because I can't. I need to digest this.
Speaker 2:I need to work through this, through now You're not getting deep sleep, rem sleep.
Speaker 1:I'm not you're like.
Speaker 2:So now your brain's not recovering.
Speaker 3:You're not maybe not.
Speaker 2:Maybe now you're not remembering the memories from Mexico that you would have and such a high fidelity, right like I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, I agree but that's my point is like I, that's the, that's the thing I get. The end of the day, is a juice worth the squeeze to you, even though you don't even know what I'm trying to figure, which side of the analogy I'm supposed to say. You don't know what the squeeze is going to end up being.
Speaker 3:The juice you don't know the juice that comes from. What the squeeze?
Speaker 1:juice with the squeeze. You don't know the the Consequences of the juice you you can never really quantify them until it's too late to potentially even know and anyone even be able to point to. That's the thing that was a problem.
Speaker 1:So say you you get cancer at 72 and you die at 73. You would, but you can't say well, that's because I had a drink once a week for the last five years, ten years and to play devil's advocate, if you get cancer at 73, you're gonna look back really fondly on those days we sit near your exact garage exactly right and we're like, oh, let's sit around, drink some beers and just bullshit.
Speaker 2:I know which is the same thing we're doing now.
Speaker 3:That's fine, but I mean, there's been times we haven't got, and you guys probably same I haven't got drunk because I'm like, oh, I don't want to hang over the next day. Yeah Well, I don't want the feeling the next day, so I would not drink that night, but that is my primary big day.
Speaker 2:I don't crank anymore. I don't like how it makes me feel yeah right, because it's terrible for your body.
Speaker 3:And I. That's why that glass of wine doesn't bother me, because I don't feel it the next day. You don't. But here that my body. Yes, yeah, exactly, you know in a way, no 100% it does, yeah one.
Speaker 1:I can prove it with the data from my thing. You don't. I didn't feel it, but my body was working extra hard to do to function properly.
Speaker 3:If only there was another intoxicant that make you feel bad, the next. I disagree. I think that I think there.
Speaker 1:I Think marijuana is. It's probably just as bad for your body completely.
Speaker 2:Well, like it, it Makes you go to sleep. It does not help. You have a good sleep yeah which is I Guess a risk. Yeah, I don't know, because I'm also like extremely fond of of the Love, the lettuce, so like well, don't, don't move me with you. But. But that's the thing is, I feel like the net Okay, so this, so this gets really interesting. Then right, because the net harm From my perception is great, significantly in less, but my perceptions also really skewed, oh, hundred percent and it's also the data isn't caught like the amount.
Speaker 1:Of it's not that we have an alcohol is because it's been legal For how many years? The data and the studies done on on marijuana are probably gonna catch up in. Yeah, five, ten years and you're gonna realize oh, we'll see a lot come out. This is really bad.
Speaker 2:But I also think like so if you wipe out, you know. The science is very clear that Adults should not be using marijuana to 25. I strongly believe that? Yeah, like that should be a non-option because you'll fucking, you're running, you're it's not confibrating, you're running a risk of some serious mental illness.
Speaker 1:However, after that age the people like, if you look, especially given our experience with society and in as a nature of our job, alcohol has ruined a lot more lives in marijuana very much, so like oh yeah like, but again questionably, but again because I think, because it was, it's been, it's the legal drug, it's the thing that you think the legalization of it is the only thing that separates it from ruining lives.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, but I'm just saying that the avail, the availability of it and the the amount of people that use it is Is because of the fact has been legal for so long, I think, and now that marijuana is legal, I think more and more people will, so can we'll be using it? I don't think a lever reach.
Speaker 1:I don't think so, but I think the potential, I think it'll be interesting because this is again a super new for from a legal perspective. So do we see a generation that gets very much like, the use of it increases through a generation, and that generation has detrimental effects because of it, whether it's motivation or whatever that, whatever the thing would be, I don't know. But I just, I just think we don't have enough data to see that to know Can be able to compare.
Speaker 3:We're not comparing apples and it'll be years, years before that data is out there, right?
Speaker 1:I, but I do agree that on the surface of it, I think alcohol is definitely more dead. There's more health Problems related to it that we can see it as of now and oh and more social problems.
Speaker 2:Totally more so. But more families have been ruined, more violent crimes committed Like nobody. Nobody's getting up and robbing 7-eleven after getting high right Exactly. You're gonna sit on your couch and eat that, eat that to keto and go to bed completely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, but I guess, yeah, I don't know, I Don't. Personally, I'm not. Yeah, I'm kind of mad about about marijuana anyways. So I would, I would be the first to say I don't do that. I have no problem saying that versus I would have brought before.
Speaker 3:I'd say I don't drink, hmm, but and that's because how you lived too right Because it was illegal and all that stuff. So you're used to having alcohol around it, social things, it's just normal.
Speaker 1:And also just to like honestly how I feel with it. More compared, like if I had two glasses of wine and get kind of like that just a little buzz. I like that, whereas I, and that's like a manageable thing, it doesn't. It's good, but versus, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, but I think this whole conversation is just the extension of, like all of this trying to better and get better. It's like what point is it like?
Speaker 3:When is enough, enough Are we doing too much.
Speaker 2:Like no, you can't think like that. I think.
Speaker 3:I don't think we reached a point where enough is enough. Yet I mean, we're well away from that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like.
Speaker 3:I'm still rocking 20% body fat, so I can't I can't be throwing stones.
Speaker 2:What would make you think too much Like? What is your indicator that you've done too much to better yourself? No, it's stop being happy.
Speaker 3:Yeah maybe, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1:But again, what is happiness? That's kind of a it's not really definable and it's not even attainable, really yeah. It's not. It's not attainable If it gets happiness.
Speaker 3:No, I would disagree. I don't think it's. No, there's not like a finish line, though is what you mean, right? Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'd say I'm pretty happy right now. Okay, youtube, probably are as well, sure.
Speaker 1:I guess it's had to be how you define it. I would say that that's not a state of being that's like, like, at the risk of like going really philosophical here, like this is as good as it gets right.
Speaker 2:And if you're thinking like, like and what I mean, I think what I mean by that is like life is pretty good, life is pretty enjoyable and the whole meaning of life is to live in the moment and enjoy it. Yes, and if you view happiness as a finish line, you're never gonna get there Completely.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, so exactly. But I think most people view happiness as when I get this thing, or when I get enough money, or when I attain this, when I get to, when I attain something, then I'll be happy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's how a lot of people view it, but is that then not the whole thing of like trying to better yourself? Is the active learning to live in the moment Completely, cause that's the whole thing. Right Is like you can start to enjoy the process, or I enjoy, like yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we talked about that in the last couple of episodes, just the growth mindset idea, right, that's what it is. But I just, I mean, I don't know, I think people like so, for example, I think, like our friends at the radical apathy podcast, like it'll be interesting to have that conversation with them, because I think that they don't fully understand, like the idea of like going to the gym to go to the gym, like not, yes, I wanna, I'm trying to get better in shape, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to get, I don't know, I'm trying to be better, but I don't really have an end goal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if like understand would be the word I would choose, but I think it's an understand, because it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like some people won't but they don't like right, like.
Speaker 2:so I'm gonna put some words in their mouth because, like, I haven't been part of the conversation, I've just listened to the conversation.
Speaker 1:I don't like going to the gym, Sure well, but I would argue a lot of people don't, but they still do it Sometimes. I don't like going to the gym.
Speaker 2:Exactly yeah, you do right, I just go, but why then I never like?
Speaker 3:going to the gym until you started going to the gym, and then you started like, and you know, and then there's that tipping point where you start to like it, and then you have your shitty days where you just go and you just go through the motions.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah.
Speaker 3:But I, like this morning I looked forward. I was driving to work. I'm like I cannot wait just to go to the gym in the morning, Like I actually look forward to it now, and if I don't do it I feel weird. I don't know.
Speaker 1:But it's because, once you set, this is the problem with the shift work thing, and I think that we are we have Like we're immune to it right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah is that once you build a routine, it's a lot easier to stay consistent because it's just a routine that you just force yourself to keep doing and it's and you, whether you say like I don't want to get up at four or 30, but my alarm goes off and I know that someone's probably at the gym thinking where is he? He's usually here, so I need to get, I need to be there, because it's the accountability of the. I'm going to just be there. And so those are the days that get you through, the days you don't want to go. And then the rest of the days you're like yeah, I'm good, I want to go, I want to be there. And so there's like the, the right, rare days where you're like this is a struggle. There's still the routine of it and the accountability of it gets you there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're right, like shift work ruins that. I mean, the human brain is just one giant predictive machine trying to predict things. That's why, like I was reading a book about kids or an ex or promo book, and it's like that's why kids at at infants, they enjoy repetition. Like you sing the song, you sing the same song. You sing the same fucking song again and again, again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh you just wait, I don't doubt it, and the kids love it, but it's because their brain, they're getting like I don't know if it's dopamine or whatever they're getting satisfaction from their brain being able to predict what's happening next, and that's the same thing. So you go to the gym, your brain is like yes, I'm getting the same.
Speaker 3:This is the routine.
Speaker 2:This is the routine is the thing I'm getting, and then the thing I don't understand, but I could see what happening is like. However it has happened, you've now found enjoyment in the struggle of actually like doing the activity, and I don't know why that is, but like the key to any especially physical activity, right, like endurance, running or fucking weightlifting or running and grappling or whatever. It's like enjoying the actual activity in its moment.
Speaker 1:I'm halfway through the book winning with Tim Grover. He's he trained like Michael Jordan, kobe Bryant, dwayne Wade, like basically the best basketball players ever, and it's interesting because he just talks about like the mindset that they have and for like for Jordan, for example, he was so regimented, it was like there was no variation and the reason he could he was obviously obsessed, but like, the reason that it worked and his consistency was worked is because it was built, it was built in. It was just there was no, there was no option to deviate. It was like this time he wakes up, this time he gets this, this time he gets this and there was some weirdness in there.
Speaker 1:Like every single game, before every single game, he needs a brand new pair of shoes that he laces up. If somebody else laces up those shoes, he will not wear them. He needs to put the late, the brand new laces in, lace them up and he's good to go. Like there was some weirdness in there, obviously, but like he was so and they're just so committed to the idea of being the best and being winners that it became like this regimented life, but it made them who they are and he just talks about like the idea of winning is like it's such a commitment and like a mindset and it's like it doesn't happen. It doesn't just happen Like it has to be.
Speaker 2:And most people, I think, wouldn't like. I wouldn't want that. No, fuck, no, I wouldn't be happy.
Speaker 1:Right, but again, what is what?
Speaker 3:is happening. Maybe he was, maybe that made him. Well, I don't know, because like I actually don't know, like I've never read anything about like he wrote about biography or something.
Speaker 1:No, have you seen he's, he's great, he's, it's interesting, Right Cause just the the mind.
Speaker 3:I haven't watched that last dance.
Speaker 2:Are you the last dance? You need to watch that it's good. Or last dance? Yeah, but Michael Jordan biography documentary on Netflix.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, but it's just an interesting idea because I mean, obviously, consistency over time equals results, obviously.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:But it's completely true. But that consistency comes sometimes from just your ability to make a discipline for making yourself do it, but also that discipline. It gets easier when you have that routine. That is non-negotiable. It's like my alarm goes off at this time. I get up, I do this thing A, b and C. It's done. And then all of a sudden it's like oh, I've done that for a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but where do you cross that like the non-negotiable Cause? I'm trying to get that with cold plunging right now. Cause not today, not yesterday, and I was gone the days before that, but like there was a maybe, it was last week. I had two days where I just didn't cause. I didn't feel like it, and then I was like well, hold on, Like this is a non-negotiable for me, Right?
Speaker 2:I don't know what I think it is, but like I'm still like I know, but, like, how do you cross that line where you're like, hey, like, like, getting up and go to the gym every day before day shift? This is a non-negotiable. At what point does it actually become a non-negotiable? I?
Speaker 1:don't know, when you force yourself, yeah Well, I guess, when you've done it long enough, that it's like it's just, it's just second nature. I don't, I don't know, or you just, you can't allow it, you just, I will not allow myself to not do this thing.
Speaker 3:I guess what it is I wanted to take for a habit to become a habit.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, it's not just but this is my point is you're going to have days where it's easy. You're going to have the days that it's like this is what I want to be doing. This is easy for me to do, but I think the God, the good, no, sorry. The non-negotiable part becomes when the days that it's hard or you have the excuses not to do it, you still do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, it's like Goggins talking about how, like he doesn't want to run, so you'll sit there for like 30 minutes with his shoes and he's like fuck like Jay, get going Completely. I was listening to a podcast the other week. Somebody said like the area of Goggins' brain that relates to that exact thing is like the biggest ever fucking recorded, or, of course, something like that Fucking I don't know.
Speaker 3:Measured by what, Like by visually? Is that they're just looking at it?
Speaker 2:I don't think they cut his head open and looked at it. So I'm not sure I'm assuming there's some type of technology involved in that CT scan yeah like a fucking MRI or something.
Speaker 1:Maybe, and there's definitely obviously. There's obviously biological outliers that cause people to be better at things than others. For sure, what do?
Speaker 2:you think you're a biological outlier on Nothing? No, I think I'm pretty average. Yeah Well, I think we've got that part of the game, that's conversations going nowhere.
Speaker 1:It's completely true. I think that's the truth. I think.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing we think we're average, but I think we're upper middle class as far as in regards to just being, just, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Just a functioning human being? Yeah, I would say who is it?
Speaker 3:But we're exposed to a lot of people who are very low class. You know what I mean that the nursing home. So we don't see a lot of, maybe they don't get a lot of the middle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, like you kind of get your own like yeah. Like when everybody can't read.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're the only guy who can read a book. Like the fastest person in like a one-legged race, but you have two legs.
Speaker 1:Totally yeah, that's a good way to actually describe it. I have some exposure right now to some young people. Ok, well, let's just.
Speaker 3:What, sorry, what In our job? In our job I have a lot of it's a quarter of a sheep around me.
Speaker 2:OK, everyone relax.
Speaker 1:This isn't weird, stop laughing.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry. Yeah, coaching, I'm listening.
Speaker 2:Yes, you're working with, yeah, lessons well, younger people like significantly young.
Speaker 1:I always forget. I forget that they're significantly younger because I don't think I'm old. But they're significantly younger than you're old.
Speaker 2:No we're not.
Speaker 1:No, that's the complete truth. In my head it's like I'm this. I am not older, it's.
Speaker 3:It's weird, I've had this conversation with a lot of people anyway, sorry, In a previous job at the nursing home. I had that exact conversation. Anyway, you're helping out kids.
Speaker 2:He's getting that body language where, like he, like, wants to be like, fuck you guys. I'm going home now.
Speaker 3:I think like the coaching thing, like basketball and all kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:No, like the new nursing home job that I do currently you know, you know the new floor attendance that are walking around the building floor attendance.
Speaker 3:I forgot about them. Yes, why do you think I talked about here? I thought you were talking about the coaching thing and young kids and I'm like oh, talking about adults, but significantly younger and I always forget that they're that much younger than me and I talk a lot about like.
Speaker 1:We talk a lot about being better, like trying to better yourself and like, but I find that it's interesting because I think of myself at that age and it's like they're probably not that much.
Speaker 1:I didn't need to say I didn't read a whole bunch of books Back when I was in my mid, like lower 20s, like I you know what I mean like I would think I was. I was in university so I was reading those looks I had to, but like for self-development or better mentor, I wasn't reading like Jocko or any of these things that obviously I should have been, because I think they would have bettered we.
Speaker 1:I would have had that different mindset earlier in my life Is that because they weren't as prevalent because they were very much so they might very much might have not been as prevalent or I just didn't seek them out. Also, right, there's that option. But I just find it's interesting because, being in a position to have those conversations and be like you need to read, what are you doing? Like you need to be reading books, and it's like it's weird because, like, if it seems so obvious to me now at my, at my age, right, where it's like you, I wish I want more time to make myself sit and read a book, but it's like trying to like have that conversation with people who are 20 years younger than me and you're like wait a minute and then you have to kind of have to sit back and think, okay, but was I, was I doing that? Then you know I wasn't. But maybe if I had something in my life saying I this will be better for you, if you can make yourself do this thing, then maybe I would have.
Speaker 2:I don't know the question is do they? Do they See? Are you like, are you imparting to them?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Appropriately the value I have no idea.
Speaker 1:You can only try right. You can only try to be that maybe and maybe one of ten Decides. You know, I'm gonna go get a book and and read it. And I've I told somebody today go to chapters by this book and start reading it. So I told them do you think they're going to? I think he actually might, but but again, it's just, it's just interesting from the perspective of like being my age and like, but again not feeling that I'm not this age and I'm thinking but, then having to really step aside and say, wait a minute, what was I doing at that age?
Speaker 1:I wasn't doing that. You know what I mean? Yeah, what wasn't doing what I'm asking them to do? And I don't know. And mean obviously people have to be willing to listen and Not think, oh that old guys telling me I should do these things, I don't know, it's weird. It's a weird thing because I feel like I'm I like the position make your son as far as potentially being able to say, hey, if you can make yourself do these things and if you can have yourself have a little bit discipline as far as fitness goes, you in 20 again, just some consistency over over time in 20 results in 20 years, like you're gonna see insane results.
Speaker 1:But it's just, it's just developing a bit of Fortitude to force yourself to do some things you maybe don't feel like doing at the moment, but I think you'll it. Over time you'll feel like oh, actually, what I like doing, what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:I think that you can probably think of advice that you were given when you were younger that you're giving people now, because I can think of advice that people gave me when I was younger and I never listened and now I'm like I'm an idiot. Yeah, yeah 100% right and I think that.
Speaker 3:But you're right, I want, if one of the ten listen and they do it and then when the nine out of ten get older, let's say they will give that same advice. Look, I didn't listen when I was younger, so not and it might force one or two of those that they're giving the advice to do it and then maybe that's the way change happened.
Speaker 2:I don't or do you have to waste 10 to 15 years for that advice to actually even have gravity with you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think you're right. Right, that sounds bad, but I think you're 100% right.
Speaker 2:That is the whole thing of wisdom. Right Is yeah wisdom, I think, is a function of time because, like you, can only view it. The reason it's so important to you is because you have the context of other time that was wasted very much.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I agree. I Personally I feel like I didn't get. I wasn't get what I'm telling these people I was. I didn't get from anyone at that age. I don't. There's nobody in my life. Really I Don't think that that was as much a yeah, I personally I don't think I got that. So I'm not saying I didn't get other advice, I didn't listen to.
Speaker 1:That's probably very true, I did, but like advice about, you know, just general reading, big knowledge for knowledge sake, like learning about things, finding something that you Would like to know, like want to know about, like forcing yourself to, I guess, finding. Because for me back then, when I think about when I age, at that time I was in university, honestly, taking a degree that I couldn't care less about, and I was doing it because just to get done right, and so I was spending my time reading Things that I was just like regurgitating to get marks and moving on and didn't want to read anything else, and so I it's just, I don't know my, I guess my whole point is it's interesting being able to being around these age, these kids, these age who are like I know I know you're gonna say kids, you freak out.
Speaker 3:No, no, yeah, that's fine, I understand now.
Speaker 2:You mean I didn't before I was completely off base.
Speaker 3:You were playing like the little kids at coach and stuff. No.
Speaker 1:I was not but. But that's also a good point. Yeah, it's also another thing, it's a very, because it's that's obviously another age group that you're like who's living, growing up on the internet. You're like, okay, that's a different thing, but no, it's just. It's very interesting being around People who you don't. Honestly, I don't feel like I'm super much older than it was today, where I was like, oh, I am 20, almost 20 years older than these, some of these people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's, that's. That is crazy. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2:I mean when I first met both of you, I was pretty close to that age. Yeah, it's really paying much attention to what I was doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know that's just part of it.
Speaker 1:I know and I need to, I need to keep that perspective and remember, like you know, that's just the cycle completely, but but again, I still think it's important to try to hammer home some, some Advice that is probably worthwhile. But I mean, whether or not they take action is completely onto them.
Speaker 3:Well, you're gonna miss a hundred percent of the shots. You don't take exactly Jordan, yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 2:Tiger Woods said that.
Speaker 3:Oh, like a Jordan was Wayne Gretzky. It was Wayne Gretzky. I don't think Tiger Woods took a lot of shot.
Speaker 2:He'd had a few shots before he could step out on his wife.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say shooting all every night. He's still golfing Is he still in the.
Speaker 2:He's still crushing it Like no, no, no, god, no, you know what can I talk about? The other thing I haven't talked about.
Speaker 1:Whatever you like, this is our podcast, hey you can do whatever you want to do, hey do you?
Speaker 2:I don't like the word struggle because it makes it sound like it has, I know, negative connotation, but I think it just means like putting effort against completely.
Speaker 1:And then like when you say struggle Right, we see, you see, you think of like oh, he's struggling a single mom going up with trying to raise her kids and have no money. You know okay.
Speaker 2:I, or like he's struggling with fucking yeah addiction.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, so yeah okay, but where would you use there?
Speaker 2:Well, I like the word struggle because it means like putting effort against, but I just don't like I'm trying to get better at.
Speaker 3:Trying to get better at.
Speaker 2:So I know I sent you a text with one of the four grievance the other day that he did so for the last week, like, and I legit have been trying to this, I've been trying to go, so get up in the morning and I'll say some some affirmations to myself. I love myself, you're doing it, I'm gonna be good enough.
Speaker 1:I'm smart enough and dog on it, even though I'm a ginger. I'm amazing.
Speaker 2:One of the things I've been saying every day is okay, I'm gonna be impeccable with my words. I've tried to go a whole day Mm-hmm. That's saying something that I fucking.
Speaker 1:I don't regret like yeah, I didn't like that. Why did I say that?
Speaker 2:Haven't made it a day yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Every day. It's like, for example, it, it's not bad. So I spoke with somebody on the phone from the nursing home today and we were talking about what we were gonna wear tomorrow and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna wear a golf shirt and dress panties. I didn't mean to say panties, that's, that's a mistake. But I was like, yeah, there goes that day.
Speaker 3:That day's gone see, but I think Are you talking to the person who's also attending this thing with you tomorrow?
Speaker 2:I was talking to that person's boss's boss, okay.
Speaker 3:There enough, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:I think that that I get what you're saying, but I think that means less word choice. Yeah, that's us and more, more content. See, I disagree. I think word choice is important. I'm not saying it isn't important, but I think the spirit behind the message is more of I will. I Will make sure that I say things that are meaningful or not flippant but impeccable is a pretty yeah.
Speaker 2:No, it's a high standard.
Speaker 3:How does your sheep reference fit into this affirmation?
Speaker 2:I'm good with the sheep reference. For me that's pretty impeccable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2:And I think it was already wasted.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a write-off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as soon as the first thing happens, like I said panties, I can say whatever I want.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're doing that in schools. Not to the affirmations thing. My daughter came home. She's like if you heard of Snoop Dogg, I'm like what?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, what are you talking about? Let me play you gin and juice.
Speaker 3:No, Snoop Dogg has a YouTube channel for kids called doggy land. The dead serious is. He need money like what the I don't know, but he's crushing it with the views anyway. They do an affirmation song at the start of every day where they say positive things about themselves and I'm like when did you start this?
Speaker 3:and she's like yeah well our teacher read a book about it and we're doing and I'm like I don't mind this and like the song is good. It's Snoop Dogg too, which is pretty cool, but yeah yeah or after like positive things.
Speaker 2:Does it have to be positive things about yourself, or just things you're gonna do or like how? You envision your day going this. This one is positive things about themselves and I am tall, yeah, I am like I am Wide, wide large, broad shoulders.
Speaker 3:No, I actually I she, she really likes it and she's really into it.
Speaker 1:I was gonna talk to you but like it's awesome and you can see it like it's interesting because, like there's a time, not so long ago, we're out of in like, like.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, yeah, like come on completely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I After, especially after reading that book, how to talk to yourself. There is so much data and and also as a parent, I think it's it's a interest that you 100% listen to that book or read it. I listened it's it's, I think it's undeniable to, if I think if I'm gonna be strong worded it's undeniable that it has amazing benefits person both as like, like personally, if when you start doing it and I'm not saying from personal experience because I don't, I don't think I'm good at this, but also as a parent to your child and there's data to back this, like the scientific studies showing People who have positive self-talk, just in generally, whether they're just, they're better off in most ways. It's interesting and as simple as like. It's funny because in the book you talk about, even if you don't believe it, but you force yourself to say it at a certain point in time, your brain believes it like it is.
Speaker 1:You'll cross the threshold at some point. I don't know what that threshold is, but you'll cross the threshold, cross a threshold where it's like your butt you start like is if you got told, we'll told you whole life and this is off extreme examples but if you got told your whole life by your family. You're worthless, you're, you'll never amount to anything. You. You're stupid. All these things you you just start, you start internally believing it, like your body believes it and you really. It limits your, your growth or your ability to grow. And so if you've realized that and I start personally trying to like build that out You're like tell yourself in the morning, even if you don't believe it no, I can, I can do this, I can get through this day, I can, I am smart, I am, I Deserve to be loved, like all these kind of things. That you're like is weird to say to yourself Do you look in the mirror? They say you should.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was wondering like legitimate question.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't I don't you look in the mirror? I don't.
Speaker 3:I rarely do this but Reverse camera on your phone.
Speaker 2:Get the worst angle of your face.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just that downward that 50 year old Facebook profile picker. That point is like a down, yeah the point, but it's just it's super interesting.
Speaker 1:So I think it's it's super cool, my I think it's really good for kids, like I think it has a parent.
Speaker 3:I think we do a lot better job like you, for her much my, my concern, I guess.
Speaker 1:On the other hand, my concern is if it's not, not none the accurate other word, if it is, I See we unrealistic.
Speaker 3:Yes, maybe yes the word I'm looking for. Yeah, I was like you can do anything you can.
Speaker 1:You can be anything you want to be like. It's not true necessarily. It's a kid, that's how it's not harmless, because it kind of that brings about the participation trophies and participation ribbons and all these things that I think are detriment. There are winners, there are losers, and I think that it's good to know that, but you can have both you can.
Speaker 2:You can tell your kid, I think, being there yet, that you can be anything you want, but just be aware that there is not equality of outcome in life.
Speaker 1:Right, I Still. I don't like the anything you want, because I don't think that's true.
Speaker 2:I think it is true. How's that it?
Speaker 1:isn't because, your kid is probably not gonna be smart enough to be a astrophysicist. Well, if they wanted it fucking badly enough they could self talk.
Speaker 3:They could be.
Speaker 1:I disagree, that's an actually a function of IQ, potentially, and you if you're not?
Speaker 3:you can't have the. I can't limit them, you can't.
Speaker 1:You don't have the brain capacity to do a thing, then you can't do that thing. Yeah, but how do you know that?
Speaker 3:I'm gonna say you do like, so you don't. So you can't just tell no, you can't tell I disagree.
Speaker 1:I think you actually probably do know that fairly quickly.
Speaker 3:Whether or not. Whether or not, what's your kids IQ in a numerical? I have no idea exactly.
Speaker 1:I know they're not Because I know they're not an outlier in the IQ department. You would know that very it's like a stupid show. Do be house here are like young Sheldon.
Speaker 3:What things? What's that other stupid show? Do you provide them a list of things they can't do? No, based on how do they? Do you provide them a list of things they can't do based on how smart you think they are? Or do you say, no, you can do anything, and that limitation presents itself to the kid in the environment they're in no, I well, I'm not saying you should tell, I can't I actually disagree with you that you shouldn't. You should tell your kids no, you can't be an astrophysicist.
Speaker 2:I don't think you're that smart like there and there's no I would. You can't tell your daughter your daughter's never gonna play in the NBA. But yeah you can tell her that, you could tell her that hundred percent well.
Speaker 1:Yeah no, I'm not but here's. I'm not saying that you should limit and say, hmm, I think you have to be very careful with anything depends on age?
Speaker 3:Yes, it very much, because we're at that younger you need to set.
Speaker 1:I think you need to set realistic your kids realistic goals and expectations. And again, what I tell might so my 14 year old basic I don't know what she's gonna do.
Speaker 3:I think she's loving basketball.
Speaker 1:I think it's very much to be involved with people. She's a people person.
Speaker 1:So but when I talked to her about, like, what do you want to do with your life? It's more we have discussions about. I want you to find something that you love to do, that you find meaning in doing, and Then, whatever that is figured out, what is what jobs fit around that area? Because you're gonna have certain skills and attributes that you're drawn towards and that's gonna limit your job choice. If you want to be Happy in your job and I get, happy is whatever if you want to like your job and you want to feel fulfilled in your job, then you there's a limited range of what that's gonna be based on your, your likes and interests and passions and Whatever the thing is right, but if she wants to be something that you don't think she's capable of being, would you rather her find out?
Speaker 3:no, through trying, or find out from you if it's obvious and then do you think it is your job to tell her not to? Do it or I do let her try and then fail and realize on her own that's not a tough choice.
Speaker 1:No, I think it depends on what extremes you're talking about, because if it's an obvious I do not think you're capable of doing this Then I think it's a discussion if you said and yeah, I'm going to the NBA, dad, that's it, right, that's it and not in a, not in a mean and spirited way, but like in like but then you have to set a limitation.
Speaker 1:No, you just have to have a critical conversation with them and say, well, what is it about this thing? Like, why do you think you can do? What is it Like? What is it? What is the path? I think of how I laid out.
Speaker 3:What's the past? What is it?
Speaker 1:How do you view yourself getting to that point in life? Like, how do you, how do you make that work? And then, if they can like, lay out a path, like, okay, well, maybe like, or if, but if they lay out a path, that is obviously not gonna work. Well, first of all, I'm gonna become a male and then, because I became a male, I'm gonna be better at everything and be well sorry, I was so far all that good.
Speaker 2:the other way around, yeah, like I was talking about NBA for basketball.
Speaker 1:I'm like then because I'm a, you know what I mean like so there's Okay, I understand and I don't think limiting. Maybe I came off too harsh as well, like I don't want to know, but it's so open to every different like.
Speaker 3:So, like today, yeah, like literally today my boy I got him home he humanist friend made a poster up of like we're gonna put this on a booth outside the house and we were gonna sell these things to people and it's like we can make you a hockey card of was it NHL player?
Speaker 3:a mini Poster, a big poster or a team poster, and we're gonna draw it and sell it. So we're gonna draw like 20 these things. We're having the booth, we're gonna sell them. And so I'm like, okay, I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Like the thing, look on your face. I'm like, I'm like this is not gonna, you're not gonna get a fucking sale. And so I told him like, look, I'm like, and I felt terrible. I'm like, look, what's gonna happen is I'll buy one. I'm all about this is amazing and and their family will buy one. Some relatives about it's gonna be great. But you have to realize a lot of people are not gonna want to buy this, because People buy playing cards for these reasons, they buy the posters for these reasons, you know, and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:So after that he got a little pouty. About an hour later he's like. He's like, oh, I just he's talking to mom. He's like, oh, dad kind of put me in a bad mood. And I'm standing like, okay, I'm like what did you and I, what did you hear when I talked to you? Right? He says well, you said it was a dumb idea. I'm like no see, I didn't say it was a dumb idea. So, and this is where I'm like, you know what, fuck it. I'm like, I'm all in, I will help you with whatever you need, let's do it so.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna let him do this this. There's value there for sure. Learning his gonna fix experience right.
Speaker 3:He's gonna fail yeah and I'm okay with that. I get that, as long as it doesn't affect my life as far as me, having to put a lot of work in.
Speaker 1:I get that. I agree that I think there's obviously a small example, small there's more value, probably that for them personally, failing and learning from because it doesn't affect his life that much. Right, it's gonna affect the day of his life and I guess, as a parent, that's a problem. Like you, that's probably the problem Our parents had. The problem you're working to have his parents is if you can save them. That failure, because you're like, you see, you see the wreckage coming, you see the end years, like this is not gonna work.
Speaker 3:But he saw it in my face, I know, and so the not a good idea line and sorry I think I think as a parent is, I mean, I think you still want to try to stop them.
Speaker 1:If they are Receptive and they want to listen, you can stop. You can prevent that heartache or that lesson from having to had to be physically learned. But sometimes I agree that that has to be physically learned and you have to learn when that you need to step back and just let it happen.
Speaker 3:But if he's a little older, he says I'm gonna, I'm gonna take 50 grand, I'm gonna go to the loan, I'm gonna pay for this, some schooling that has a something he's not suited for, I'd be like that's a dumb idea. Let's talk about it. I don't think this is a good thing for you, so I would set a limitation there by a hundred percent what? Because it would affect his life.
Speaker 1:The failure would affect his life more than this Right, but I think that I agree with you and I would try to do the same thing, but I think it's you can have.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be the same struggle, I think if they might take failing out of university to be like, okay, I just wasted $30,000 and I realized that this isn't for me and Sometimes that's what happens and it's an expensive lesson, but it's a lesson a lot of people have had to learn, right? Yeah, my, it's like yeah, but then again I feel your side that is, but no, but no, because it's so open like it's, and there's so many you.
Speaker 3:What if this to death, because there's there's things I would set limitations on and there's things I wouldn't like I failed at the college for the thing we're all doing right now right and and so that like, and you know, like, that was my parents thing and all he'll learn is lesson no, I didn't, because I still the same thing. So right, jokes on you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, take that, that's like.
Speaker 3:I didn't want the family farm anyway. I'm just no like that. You know I did.
Speaker 1:But yeah it's, it's a not. It's not black and white, that's for sure.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Life is hard, yeah, yeah, it's so hard.
Speaker 1:But it's, if it wasn't the, probably not be that interesting. You know, they say you build a thousand bridges and you're not gonna call the sheep builder.
Speaker 3:And then there's this yeah you have one sheep joke up and then you're just a sheep fucker for life. I Terrible reference. I can't wait.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to hear what the fucking buzzsprout AI has to say about sheep fucking.
Speaker 1:Oh, host, co-host, ai, what you gonna say like they're fucking there.
Speaker 2:I enjoy them, but they're long there.
Speaker 1:So, if you haven't noticed, if you go to our the last two episodes, we've used an AI to. It basically scans that the whole podcast Once you upload it and then it creates it's. It creates a Description of the podcast for like the under the podcast and it also suggests Titles. So if our titles become more elaborate in the last two is because they weren't made by us. It was AI and we're still going with it. We're trying it out for a month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's see what happens?
Speaker 1:because at some point your subscription runs out, right you wouldn't? You pay for the next month?
Speaker 2:right, sorry, so you need to cancel. Right, I'll commit it. Are we fucking AI writing all our descriptions?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty funny some of them, I'm cool.
Speaker 2:I'm like I just the more we can work in the word sheep fucking I.
Speaker 3:Wonder what it's gonna.
Speaker 2:I would like to know are you gonna put sheep fucking it? Well, I don't think it will.
Speaker 1:Let's say the f word. I don't think so.
Speaker 3:No, I don't they would.
Speaker 2:What if this podcast was entirely about?
Speaker 1:Bornecating with sheep. Well then, maybe, and I feel like our audience would diminish and are limited on to five two to three, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Two to three.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the other way around. I think somebody that's really cheap.
Speaker 2:I can't.
Speaker 1:Gain one, we gain one there's something for everyone out there. They're literally is.
Speaker 3:You said about average superior. Wow, I'm sorry, I'm getting tired, that's my bad.
Speaker 1:You said I've heard a TV. It reminds me of a TV show that I just want start watching that you, I think, will like. It's a show gun.
Speaker 3:Oh was it good, Disney yeah, it's a fact.
Speaker 2:It's a back, but it's on the Disney streaming yes. I start. We started watching one minute of it when they were on the ship, yeah, and then my wife got bored, okay wow, one minute in your board. Yeah, she's right, she's like. I just don't think I have it in me to watch this. It's kind of sure right now.
Speaker 3:It's a good thing if you she tires after one minute of certain activities.
Speaker 2:Hey somebody yeah.
Speaker 3:The way you reacted me.
Speaker 2:If you're really bad, I try to think of a creative way to make fun of myself. There I did it.
Speaker 1:So anyway, show a gun. I really like anyways.
Speaker 2:Is it like as good as like, let's say, yellowstone?
Speaker 3:No, oh, it's well, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I really like it, like so it basically it's. You definitely have the pet engine, because it's Part is partially in Japanese, partially in English, which is actually port. It's actually Portuguese, but they're just saying it's English. Huh Well the speaking. So in Japan they're the guy, that they the guy.
Speaker 2:Oh, I get the story of the. Yeah, I get the story of the Portuguese coming and fucking up right so the the English portion is Actually they're supposed to be speaking Portuguese but they're speaking. It's not like you're not saying. This was made in Portuguese.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no no but they're like speaking English, but they're technically and they should be speaking Portuguese right there. But, anyway, you have to read their subtitles because it's in Japanese as well, so I don't like, but it's, but I honestly, I really like it.
Speaker 3:It's a mini series. It's not a Like, it's a one-seat one and done.
Speaker 1:I probably well with the book. I have the book which I've never finished. It's like 50. It's audible. I have an audible and it's like 57 hours.
Speaker 3:Oh geez, as far as IMDB ratings go, it's got a. I don't look at the monster IMD like higher than Game of Thrones. I'm it's.
Speaker 1:I really like it. It's very interesting, I like the guy from Scorpion back, check everything you watch before I am.
Speaker 3:I have Standards in IMDB ratings that I will not watch something. It's below those standards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're trusting stupid people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's on my. I had planned to cancel Netflix two episodes ago, oh.
Speaker 3:We don't do YouTube anymore at our house.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 3:Nice Sundays. Sunday mornings I have a coffee, my wife gets coffee, we sit in the couch, the kids can do half an hour of YouTube. Whatever the rest of the week, there's no, you case.
Speaker 1:So it's awesome. I just like to point out, though, that you said we don't do YouTube anymore. The Sunday ritual yeah, yeah, I don't want to get into now because I think we're wrapping up here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm gonna watch showgun quarter after nine.
Speaker 2:We you know what we are doing this week.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Giving away a motherfucking flash.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that the other day? Yes, do we have a?
Speaker 2:How many entries do we have? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Okay, so am I gonna win it? Is it? I don't think you're allowed to be in it. You're not. I haven't reposted, I don't think I was clear.
Speaker 2:I don't know. So if you tag, if you go and you comment, you like, you comment and like, I Tag you and you, that's an entry. If I then go underneath that and comment and tag two other people, that's not a second entry.
Speaker 1:I would agree with you, okay, I appreciate them.
Speaker 2:Spreading the love. Yes, I'm not sure if I was explicit.
Speaker 3:No, that's an it just entry, then it just give everyone entries.
Speaker 2:So just as you get a new tag, somebody to that's true.
Speaker 1:If you take over one, feed this up. Okay, if you two people, take two people per post and you got it, you got more than one entry. Well, I don't know how the fuck, have to like fucking.
Speaker 2:There's like 63 comments.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right by hand there is wow.
Speaker 2:It's all like. It's like fucking Jeff tagging like his fucking 21. Thanks looks like His odds are very good and you know, and if you are listening to this, if you're still listening to this as we get to the tail end of this and you don't win a flashlight, we're gonna give away something else next month.
Speaker 1:Speaking of which, I'd like to Also point you to our Instagram account, where there will be a link, because we're kind of this whole like the coffee thing was cool. We got some people. We really appreciate the ones that bought us coffee on that Thing that we did. But this is actually interesting. It's like a subscription and I know you don't need another subscription in your life, so if you decide to do, we super appreciate it. But you first of all is like subscribe to us. It's like a little like you can basically sign up for like two bucks a month and it just sends two bucks to our buzz sprout, which then Offsets the money that we pay for the monthly editing fees.
Speaker 1:But anyway, we're basically asking, in lieu of buying us a coffee, to help us pay for you don't have to whatever, we're gonna keep doing this no matter what, but please, oh yeah, please, help us pay just to host this, whatever if you don't, whatever, you know what.
Speaker 2:Maybe I should put up a picture of our studio and people will feel bad for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's this been?
Speaker 2:this, this may for a while but, this may is a fucking up. Hey, speaking of dismay, hmm, I was thinking we should do a throwback episode to be really funny with three people, but a throwback episode in your closet.
Speaker 1:Okay, three people is gonna be tough in my closet. Yeah, we could try it's gonna be super hot. Well, it will be it was like getting steamy in there with two of us in it. I know it sounds yeah, was you If you? Yeah, that was that the EM podcast. Do you ever?
Speaker 2:wonder if we should have just kept the name the EM podcast easy mode easy mode. I just like EM. It's like AM or FM, but yeah.
Speaker 3:Had to get intro like the intro.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the intro. I mean you there. What was the intro? Fuck, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 3:Did you know we did like 45 episodes of that.
Speaker 2:Really dude. I swear we were in the 40s. I don't remember.
Speaker 3:Hey, bitcoins back up, so it's good.
Speaker 1:Bitcoin is back up. My I kept some and I've earned, I think, $1,500 on what I kept so far. Jason's moved his bike from his face, so I think we're done.
Speaker 2:No what was I gonna say? Yeah, next episode is episode 40. Oh wow is pretty impressive. Is a okay, we've been doing this for a year now in a bit.
Speaker 1:I don't know yet your two.
Speaker 2:This has been two years.
Speaker 3:How many years, we this year one year. This is like. Average mode was like yeah, it doesn't count.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's like crypto, it's not real white. Definitely remind yeah, we're embarrassed, we're ashamed of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's just a year. I think last year and this year, I think January, we said we.
Speaker 2:I'd like some more guests to come on this podcast. We have I mean, we had guests last week, I guess, and I sat in the wrong spot, which really just threw off my vibe.
Speaker 1:Okay, so from now, on you listen to that one. I think it was. It was really interesting, it was. I like I it's one of the. I don't need to listen to our Relisten to our episodes, and I listened to that one. It was good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I should listen to it, but I'd like to have I Legitimately want to have easy back on the podcast to talk to us about his fucking scam that he has with save-on points and traveling. Yep, I don't know how you're doing it, but I want to know how you're doing it. Yeah, me too, and I think the whole world wants to know how you're getting save-on foods to pay for you to travel everywhere, to these far, deep ends of the world, deep Yep, okay, so that's one.
Speaker 1:We have one, but we have one guest. We also are going to do one with radical abby.
Speaker 2:We are are we yeah, because they're always so busy. No.
Speaker 1:I want to it's still no.
Speaker 2:Scheduling is always tough. Being one of their agents, I feel like I can schedule one of them.
Speaker 1:Okay, I had to be reminded that I was his agent, but I do have agency over him, so I'm gone next week and then we'll have to get one done up to that.
Speaker 2:Word one extra the weekend after that's Easter, oh god.
Speaker 3:We should do a, not a private good.
Speaker 2:It'll never air. Are we gonna tell him about that?
Speaker 3:No, okay, no yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't never mind. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3:Thanks to the three people. You're right, jeff's got a lot of.
Speaker 2:Congratulations, jeff, on potentially winning the flashlight way to game the system, because I can't come up with clear rules. Nice.
Speaker 3:Hey, don't hate the player, it's all good.
Speaker 1:Bye-bye. Once again, thanks for listening. If you enjoyed podcast, share with a friend and Consider heading over to our Instagram at average superior check in the link in the bio and supporting the show. Have a good night.