The Average Superior Podcast
#44: Johannes Bourne: Hunting, Cougars, CWD, Dogs, Farming and Jiujitsu
BOOKS DISCUSSED IN THIS PODCAST:
Scars and Stripes written by Tim Kennedy
OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
00:00:04 - Its Johannes Bourne
00:07:03 - Gophers and Ants
00:14:51 - Cougars
00:22:08 - Nature's Deadly Interactions
00:29:39 - CWD
00:43:33 - Hunting, Nature and Mechanics
00:56:05 - Unfolding Naturally
01:01:51 - Observation and Awareness in Modern Society
01:05:43 - Social Media and Time Management
01:10:57- Terrence Howard's Theories
01:14:19 - Science and Knowledge
01:25:17 - CJI vs ADCC
01:34:55 - Naming the Farm
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BOOKS DISCUSSED IN THIS PODCAST:
Scars and Stripes written by Tim Kennedy
OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
00:00:04 - Its Johannes Bourne
00:07:03 - Gophers and Ants
00:14:51 - Cougars
00:22:08 - Nature's Deadly Interactions
00:29:39 - CWD
00:43:33 - Hunting, Nature and Mechanics
00:56:05 - Unfolding Naturally
01:01:51 - Observation and Awareness in Modern Society
01:05:43 - Social Media and Time Management
01:10:57- Terrence Howard's Theories
01:14:19 - Science and Knowledge
01:25:17 - CJI vs ADCC
01:34:55 - Naming the Farm
Email us here: average.superior@gmail.com
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Speaker 3:Episode 43.
Speaker 1:Jason's taking notes tonight, and he's going to do a better job at that.
Speaker 3:Timestamps are going to include the actual time. Not the. I don't know, I'll figure it out. Okay, cool Episode 40. What Four?
Speaker 1:Four-ish 44. 44-ish Great CJ introduce our guest.
Speaker 2:This is do you want to be Farmer Joe or Rancher Joe? How about Farmer slash Rancher?
Speaker 1:Farmer slash Rancher Joe. That's a lot of words.
Speaker 3:Slash mechanic Slash mechanic.
Speaker 1:Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Slash intellect.
Speaker 1:Slash philosopher. Are we getting the CV here, or what? Oh no. Slash immigrant, oh wow.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of things. What else do I know about you, slash?
Speaker 3:immigrant. Oh wow, that's a lot of things. What else do I know about?
Speaker 2:you Slash. I was going to say something rude, but oh, you probably shouldn't.
Speaker 3:You're probably fine to say it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's safe or we can bleep it out. Yes, I'm the wrong color for an immigrant. You immigrated north of the hemisphere.
Speaker 1:It's okay Okay.
Speaker 2:So where did you immigrate from? Uh, the uk. You have no accent. Wow, I was kind of self-conscious thinking about listening to myself on this podcast a little, yes, a little and I and thinking no, your accent still sucks no, you're fine really, though, yeah, can't tell at all.
Speaker 1:Right in, I would have guessed, like I don't know what I would have guessed. It definitely would have been uk no I don't know what I got, what I've gone with idaho yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3:Not not uk though how long ago, um 2013, I moved here, really yeah, have you lost a bit of the accent, or is it For sure?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I was actually born in New York State, oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:So, you're a US citizen?
Speaker 2:Yes, Awesome, I didn't know that I'm a triple citizen.
Speaker 1:Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Yes, I have three passports. That's amazing. You're like Jason Bourne.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just going to say oh my God it's Jason Bourne, it's Joseph Bourne, joseph Bourne.
Speaker 2:Johannes Bourne. Johannes Bourne.
Speaker 1:Whatever, Joe, Joseph, Johannes, there you go. Apparently, my name is supposed to be with a Y as well. The good old Hebrew version Yonathan Yonatan.
Speaker 2:Yonatan, yonatan, there you go. How come you're? Are you from a Hebrew?
Speaker 1:Jew, I'm not at all.
Speaker 3:See, I'm not at all.
Speaker 1:But I think that's the where Jonathan comes from.
Speaker 2:Yes, but when you say it was supposed to be like your parents were planning on that, no, no.
Speaker 1:Or it was just supposed to be like your parents were planning on that, no, or it was just supposed like the original. Okay, I said it wrong. All right, my the original version of my name.
Speaker 2:I believe we're supposed to have a y, mine too, sure you're. You're this, you're. That sounds uh kind of strange, uh. So, okay, hold on. You grew up in new york, you moved to the uk and then you moved here. What do you do with your three passports? Do you just like, when you travel? You're like, you know what I feel like being american today? Okay, so you are not allowed entry into the us as a? Well, okay, I had to go down. I was working for john deere, yep, um, and I went down to um, john Deere, yep, and I went down to Wichita, I think it was for a course on forage harvesters.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I remember I was like you know, I'll just stuff one of my. I was like I'll stuff my American passport in my suitcase and away I go Right, didn't think nothing of it and oh wait, no right. Didn't think nothing of it and oh wait, no, you took all three. I took both, yeah. But then when I was entering the states, I was like I grabbed my us passport and, um, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I kind of got this wrong. I think I just went with the us passport and when I got, you know, you obviously go through customs and uh, the guy was like um, I, I wrote down I'm a citizen of canada, like on the sheet that you're on the declaration and it was because I thought they looked the same right, so I was like okay, and gave him and he was like offended, wow he's like why did you say you were a canadian citizen when you're coming in?
Speaker 2:and then I found out he's like it's he and then another, and I think this was a separate time. Another time I actually entered the states without my us passport. I just brought another. The other time I just brought my Canadian one.
Speaker 3:So like the way we would do it, yes.
Speaker 2:And he saw where I was born Kingston, new York and he was like it's actually illegal. The guy was a lot nicer to me, but he's like it's illegal to enter the US as a citizen without proof of your citizenship.
Speaker 3:Seriously, yes, even for, like a dual, triple citizen.
Speaker 2:you have to have the identification papers that you are a citizen I get that because if you were going all jason bourne and be like, hey, I'm going to use my canadian passport to like slink into the country, yeah, but the name's the same, the date of birth is the same it's. It's not accurate to how I.
Speaker 2:It makes sense to me after thinking about it, for a while, like I would if I was, if I was proud to be, if you know, and, and really I should be like fuck, yeah, yeah, let's just make that clear I am, I am proud to be a us citizen and I've, by the nature of what I've been listening to of your podcast, We'd all like to be proud to be Americans. You'd like to be. And you know why I'm saying it yeah, exactly. But also in spite of you know what I'm saying In spite of the shambles the US is in.
Speaker 1:There's shambles everywhere. Canada has its own shambles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah, so coming back into canada, then you just present your american passport and be like I'm a canadian, or do you have to bring your canadian one? I bring both and I just use the respective passport for each country and then when you're traveling in europe.
Speaker 2:It's. It's been a while since, because I've traveled in europe as a canadian citizen lots, because I actually my uh, my british passport expired for six years or something like that and I literally just got it renewed because, um, my father-in-law to be lives in mexico and he kind of heard that I was a british citizen. I'm like I don't even care about that passport anymore and he's like no, no, like dude, just get it, just apply. So I went through it's some paperwork, a bit of time but come on, man, you have just so many passports.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's kind of cool yeah it's fun? No, does she look magazine? Not at all. That's why it doesn't make sense. Just all the passports, all the passports in the house. Are you a?
Speaker 2:spy, maybe Unconfirmed.
Speaker 1:I feel like more you're the one that's spying on me.
Speaker 2:Ooh, look at this over here.
Speaker 3:That's why he won't get blinds in this room. Yeah, what's that weirdo over there doing today?
Speaker 2:You know what? You're not the guy driving around on a forklift, shooting gophers with a pellet gun.
Speaker 1:Your gopher problem is ridiculous.
Speaker 3:Is that you no?
Speaker 1:I thought that was you for sure.
Speaker 2:No, it's not. It's super weird. Our gophers are out of control.
Speaker 1:They're insane. I rolled up here and there was like 13 in your front yard.
Speaker 2:I'm actually breeding them.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to see how many I can get.
Speaker 3:All three of my kids are going to be getting some pellet gun gifts here in about a month.
Speaker 2:I think I'm going to surprise them all.
Speaker 1:Can we just bring them out, oh?
Speaker 3:yeah, it's just go time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Towards the house.
Speaker 3:Yes, please.
Speaker 1:Straight towards Well towards.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'll bring my 22s over and they can shoot with Curtis towards the LTRA. From experience, they don't like that. Sorry, I had to put that in there have you been using your bow?
Speaker 1:Have you been trying to get them with the bow, or what?
Speaker 2:I have been using my bow, but I have not pointed it at a gopher yet.
Speaker 1:Why not Do you have a gopher tips? I don't have time.
Speaker 2:Okay, it is very time consuming. Did you say gopher?
Speaker 3:tips. Is that a thing for bows?
Speaker 1:Yes, there's legit gopher tips. They're like little prongs, so they hit them and they decimate them. Judo tips.
Speaker 2:I have killed hundreds of gophers with, with and as time goes on. You want to make sure you that you strike them right in the head or through the heart, because what happens is that judo tip, if it goes in the guts, it twists inside their guts and then it's a really stinky arrow, gross, and you have to go over and dispatch them, or literally. Sometimes it's like a claw yeah, it's a claw and it hangs up inside their guts. Sorry, this is a bit gross.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that's.
Speaker 2:And then they go down that hole and they're like scrambling.
Speaker 3:Oh, so it can't go, and you?
Speaker 2:got to. But sometimes they actually twist. Sometimes the judo tip will separate because it's kind of like sprung onto the arrow tip like tight but sometimes it'll like break apart and disintegrate in them.
Speaker 3:I didn't know this was a thing, or?
Speaker 2:what happens if they struggle hard enough. You know how a arrow tip is screwed into the insert.
Speaker 1:It'll like wind it out oh, wow, oh, that'd be a piss off lost it.
Speaker 2:Judo tip and the gopher wow, he's gonna, he's not gonna do well, is he? Some of you hit him with a judo tip, they're notpher. Wow, he's not going to do well, is he? If you hit him with a judo tip, they're not going to last very long. But you know, like some of the one of the more gruesome things I think I've ever seen is like if you do make a bad shot and then they try and go down their hole and their arrow is like hanging them up and they're just like Yep.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, oh God.
Speaker 2:Yes, it gets. You know, I went on the reserve once. Well, actually, when I first moved here, when we first declared war on the gophers over at our place. Man. I brought the rifles out when I hit a gopher, went through one gopher and hit another gopher behind it. Nice and then thought okay, there's too many to just control with the bow.
Speaker 3:But it's so hard, there's a lot.
Speaker 2:It's so time consuming and it's not effective to shoot them with a bow, it's got to be poison, right. You literally like if you can't shoot them with a rifle, you got to either blow them up or poison them. Well, let's talk about this because, like I am, still a little bit the environmentalist side of me.
Speaker 3:Me too, it's poison, yes, like.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty against it, 100%. I did I have gone full gas chamber on them before though.
Speaker 3:Did you.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I call it gas chamber, but you know the foam.
Speaker 3:Okay, so they have? No, I've never heard of that, you just put it in a hole.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is um is like. So you, you get a pylon kind of like the size of my hand and it comes down to a tip with like a loony size opening in the end of it.
Speaker 2:You fill the hole like you shove the pylon in the hole and then they have an expanding biodegradable foam that you pump in the hole out of a like a big thousand liter tote wow and so you pump it down the hole and it foam expands and asphyxiates them um, except sometimes, if you don't do it well enough, they just kind of like pop out the other side come back up and like push the pylon out, but the pylons are to stop them from coming. Yeah, but don't they have a maze like can't they get up another hole? I don't, you know, I'm saying I've seen that yes I've.
Speaker 1:I have one hole and had a foamy gopher come out of the other hole. You guys said someone's down there with a mallet. Yeah, smack them there's?
Speaker 2:yeah, but the foam worked okay. It was ridiculously expensive. It was like a thousand bucks for the whole setup. Did you have to have a license to do it.
Speaker 3:No, because it's not poisonous. Okay.
Speaker 2:Which is what I like about it.
Speaker 3:It's not poisonous.
Speaker 2:It's biodegradable. It's not going to harm any other animal that eats a gopher or all that crap.
Speaker 3:Okay, sorry. What does the foam do then, if it's not poisonous?
Speaker 2:Well, because it expands, and they swallow it and they asphyxiate and die.
Speaker 3:Oh, like rice at a wedding, like birds eat it and then it expands in their stomach and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Rice at a wedding?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're not allowed to throw rice at weddings anymore, because the birds eat it and then it expands in their stomach. Is that a bylaw? Yeah, it's not a bylaw but it's on anthills. That's another one.
Speaker 2:Did the ants explode?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, they eat it and they explode in their stomach. The moisture causes it to expand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's like a good way to deal with ants.
Speaker 3:That's what I do, is that?
Speaker 2:what that white ant powder is? Just expensive cornmeal.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I think that's poison. I think that's poison. Oh, okay, I think it's two feet high. It's so big. My kid was doing a little lawn today and he wouldn't go near it because there's just so many ants. So then I told him to go chuck cornmeal on. It Did they explode Like pop, like popcorn. Well they eat them and then it just expands and it kills them. But like I don't know how much, you have to put on a giant anthill.
Speaker 3:There's a farmer on his anthill and he's doing it for 100 days and he's like 50 days in and he'll just douse it with the powder from. No, I'm dead serious, look it up, like he does the answer just?
Speaker 3:so focused the anthill has grown so much it's, I'm not even joking. Every day he does a little thing and he records it or whatever, and it shows the progression and the anthill has grown a ton and the ants are huge. It's on TikTok I don't know what his name is or anything like that, but it's hilarious.
Speaker 2:I'm following it. I'm loving it. You got to get rid of the TikTok.
Speaker 3:I fucking love it. I don't have Instagram or anything like that. I like the TikTok. It's worse, it's like the same. It's all the same. It's worse, it's all good and.
Speaker 2:Curtis was giving you shit as he does. I just want to eat my steak. Should have taken the blue pill.
Speaker 1:Why, oh why, didn't I take the blue pill? Why, oh why?
Speaker 3:The blue pill.
Speaker 2:I need to remember what the blue pill and those pills are.
Speaker 3:I Blue pill was the one to go into the matrix, or was the blue pill? Red pill was that you took it, oh forget. And then you'd wake up, You'd wake up in the real world. And the blue pill was the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, because what do they say? Like when people have been forsaking their wokeness? They've been red-pilled. Yes because they wake up Right, they actually use their brain. Again Back to gophers. Do some genocide with my, with your judo tips.
Speaker 1:yes, well, nick, kind of wanted to nick is my brother um, he wanted to shoot a few, so maybe I'll send him. I have a few thousands. It's insane, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:I remember we were having a beer a couple of years ago and I shot one right in front of scott. Remember that yes and I skewered him.
Speaker 1:Good, I think Scott was just like shocked Dude you skewered him Like, yeah, that's what's supposed to happen.
Speaker 2:Man, this is the level of violence you need to expect. They multiply like crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do. We have lately been a gopher head a day on my porch.
Speaker 3:Oh, from your cat. Yeah, the cat eats them daily. No, I'm not even joking, there'll be guts and a gopher head.
Speaker 1:That's all that's left over.
Speaker 2:Man. We got a cat at our place and she is a beautiful, graceful animal that is a gopher killing machine.
Speaker 2:The best is when she's like just had a litter of eight kittens and she goes out the next day and is dragging this gopher that's the same size of her to her kittens and her kittens all devour it. It's crazy. I used to think that cats my experience before I lived over there was of cats in houses and I kind of didn't really enjoy them much um, to put it politely. But now that my brother came home, you know now that we've kind of we had a mouse problem there for a long time yeah and one day my brother woke up in his and there was a mouse in his bed.
Speaker 2:Oh man, and he picked, he felt something under his covers and he grabbed oh close slammed it against the wall and killed it, and the next day he had grabbed a mother cat from the farm he works at and he came home and that cat stayed and problem solved.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it's amazing how cool like they're such we were talking about it yesterday a cat is talk about graceful, um, elegant and incredibly agile like a cougar can jump 18 feet vertically without a runoff. Geez, it's wild, it's so cool. I I mean, I yeah, I just I think they're amazing creatures and then you got like the jaguars and the lions and they're all so different and they're so I mean I've never seen a cougar, but it just fascinates me I mean I, I, uh, actually, today I went and visited a rancher that traps for a living.
Speaker 2:well, he traps in the winter, winter out in the porkies where he keeps his cows, and he said he caught a cougar in a trap. Oh, wow, that's crazy and he had to let it go right.
Speaker 3:How do you let that go? How do you let that go From your truck with like a string?
Speaker 2:He'll never listen to a podcast and he'll probably never go on a podcast, which is sad. But this story he told me today had nick and me on the edge of our seats, like, and he said like just how he did it with coats, two coats and a prong stick, and he said he was sweating like a pig at the end trying to hold this on top of this cougar trying to pry this freaking trap open and hold it down.
Speaker 2:And then what the fuck am I? How am I? How am I gonna get off this? Trap once it's loose, and then is it gonna come at me, so he yeah like it was it was quite an ordeal and he's like man, I yeah it was. It was really a difficult thing was it like a trap, like a bear trap or just like like, yeah, a paw trap, oof right, and it was.
Speaker 2:it had its claw stuck and and you know he pries it open. Then he's like, and then he find he like said he was holding it down, but then he couldn't let any weight off it. He and he's a big dude, like 200 pounds. He had everything on this cougar like kind of on the coat and this kind of stick with a fork in it, holding its neck down under these, these coats that he had. And he said the first time he walked up to it it was kind of backed right away from him on the chain, if that makes sense. And then, sorry, this is probably not really great. Anyway, it's, it's, it's interesting to me and it's all the way at the end and he's like fuck, I don't know what I'm going to do here. So he walks towards it with his one coat and he says it's scary, they come at you so quick with that claw.
Speaker 2:He's like the way they would kill you is grab you with their claws like this, pull you in and just drop you like um, like in a clinch yeah right and bite the back of your neck, so so and he said it was just lightning quick and took that coat away from him before he could so then he went in with two coats and he grabbed the one and then one coat wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2:And then the stick and then on it and like, oh, I'm excited talking about it because it's such a good story that's insane.
Speaker 3:I feel like if a coat got swiped out of my hand by a cougar I would reconsider yeah, I'm not going back.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not bringing two coats back it'd be a different decision.
Speaker 3:I think this guy is yeah, what, uh?
Speaker 2:what would you do? Okay, so we went running the other day. Yeah, supposedly there's a cougar in town. Okay, in the trails where we've been running, what would you do if you came across a cougar?
Speaker 1:because let me just point out that he was very confident that I think I can take it back.
Speaker 2:He would attack me and he would take its back and I'm like you're gonna like I could sink in my I'm gonna die, you're gonna die it would attack him, but you wouldn't be able to take it. But it's going to take the smallest prey.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, no, I understand the point.
Speaker 2:And in this, okay, and so, based on the information I've now learned, it's going to get him in the clinch. It's going to be holding him. Then I'm going to come in behind, I'm going to sink my hooks in, I'm just gonna hold him there and I'm gonna choke him and say and you're not tapping?
Speaker 3:this is like not tapping you think you can land a plane, kind of confidence I agree I don't think so this. What are you supposed to do? You're supposed to look big right in an actual.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like that thing where, like I know you like listen, like, have you read Stars and Stripes? No Scars and Stripes, sorry, tim Kennedy's book yes, I have. Yeah, you have like how he talks about when he gets into war. You just don't know Completely. Yeah, so I believe it would be in one of those you would have to like, and it would be one of those situations that you cannot even you can't rehearse it. No, there'd be no way.
Speaker 1:I don't think you'd be shocked by the power.
Speaker 2:Instinct and what I was going to say. So when I was a kid we had a Pyrenean mountain dog and we had a little bit of trouble with aggression, like food aggression. I was only fourth grade right and I remember a couple of times my dad said, like if the dog gets aggressive on you, you need to pin it down on its back and like beat it into submission. And this dog was like remember it stood, we got it as a pup but it grew fast, obviously, and when it was fully grown it was as tall as me, like with its paws on my. And remember one day I had to freaking do this and I got this dog down on its like holding its throat down, and I tried to freaking smack it in the nose, swat it, and it like caught me with its teeth like so fast and and I realized how incredible that was the time I realized how incredibly fast and like just a dog is.
Speaker 2:This is a pyrenean and they're not known for like agility or speed. They're not a border collie or a jack russell, but this thing was like faster than I could think. Now, take that yeah times, probably 20, with a, with a wild cat that you're trying to find. The speed would be so and it would probably like like be happen in such a everything would be over before you could even freaking do much but just take it back.
Speaker 3:Just take it back, sorry I kind of over explained no, completely.
Speaker 1:Uh, my instagram algorithm shows me a lot of cat videos, and one of them is like this one, that they showed the reflexes of a cat, so it'll show like a cobra trying to strike cat and the cat's just like what? No, and it just gets out of the way and like other things that insanely fast and their reflexes are so fast they just like dodge death.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the cat has like 10 milliseconds or whatever it's like yeah, it's the snake crazy yeah yeah like tigers and shit like how they catch that's what they need it for, like how hard is it? Like you've bow hunted right, and like how hard is it to even get close to a deer, and then like how quick do they react? And how, don't know, never seen one. It's just like and then that animal literally has to, that cat has to jump on that deer yeah, like and catch it and it doesn't have any.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's why they are and they have to do it alone. They can't work. They don't work in packs like a dog does, like you know wolves, and go surround it and kind of a cat literally has to do everything with stealth and speed, just like well, that kid that got dragged away. Yeah I was just looking he's like that it was actually my neighbor's nephew maybe what?
Speaker 3:what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:one of our one of our nursing home employees nephew too, I think yeah two years ago, like eight-year-old kid got grabbed by a cougar and it was dragging it away in its mouth.
Speaker 3:Like in town.
Speaker 1:He was camping somewhere. It was nearby.
Speaker 3:It wasn't too far away. It was on a beach with people around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so he was like. He was like a friend's family. He wasn't with his family, he was something they look. All of a sudden they see this kid being dragged away by this cougar, like he had in his mouth, his head in his mouth terrifying. And so they had to run and they threw rocks and eventually it let it go and ran away, and he was in the hospital for a long time but he survived rocky, rocky mountain house, buster creek yeah alberta says yeah, he didn't run to the cat that probably got away.
Speaker 1:Got away, did they?
Speaker 3:oh they, they got it. Did they? They? They got it yeah.
Speaker 1:They euthanized it.
Speaker 2:That's a pretty high level of aggression.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a sad picture there A seven-year-old. Yeah Got mauled. Yeah, he got mauled. He has so many scars on his head.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was weird, though, because it was in public and in had like uh, what's that parasite that makes?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, like toxoplasmosis that makes it do crazy shit I don't know if that's what happens in cats.
Speaker 1:I think they have it, but I don't think that makes them crazy uh or does it no, it increases their risk taking. It's the same, like people involved in motorcycle accidents have a higher incidence of toxo right, but I think that I thought that it was I pointed at you because, like I didn't know, I thought that it gave it to humans and that caused that in humans, but I don't know if that caused that in cats.
Speaker 2:Is it a? So this is a disease.
Speaker 1:It's a viral thing. I think it's a parasite, is it?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think so. House cats get toxo from hunting mice, okay, and then the way it works is that toxo is toxo I'm probably going to get this wrong it reproduces in the intestine of the cat and then, however, from that point they pass along through, if they shit outside or whatever. I think that's kind of how it propagates, and then other creatures get it and whatnot, and it makes them.
Speaker 1:What exactly?
Speaker 2:It reduces your risk adversity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Something to do with your prefrontal cortex?
Speaker 2:Yes, so the parasite in human beings, in people who have been involved in motorcycle accidents, there is a correlation between like they will be in possession of the toxoparasite.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:And also be more frequently involved in motorcycle accidents. Oh so it makes them more bold.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, risk takers yeah, there's something about you're not supposed to like for you guys, if you're, if somebody's pregnant they can't go near the litter, yeah or something like that, because they can't get in somehow uh, parasites are scary, like fungi, like to the whole last of us like the zombie thing, but like the actual, like some of the parasites that actually exist, that like infect ants and the ant one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, take over the body. Is that the cordyceps?
Speaker 1:I think no it's a different one, that's that's uh, that's the last of us thing. No, no, orpheocordyceps. That's that what is in ants as well it commonly known as the zombie ant fungus it basically just takes over their body and slowly propagates and then like takes over their brain, causes them to like climb a, like a big uh ant or grass, something, and they grassy knoll, yeah, and they climb up there, like, and they sit there and then they because they the bacteria or whatever needs the sun to like, get to propagate, then it explodes it and then it falls down the ant colony and it's just insane though.
Speaker 1:So, like 100%, it hijacks everything, it hijacks the brain and not transferable to humans.
Speaker 3:Well, thank God.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're immune to it. Oh great, well, for now, that's right. Yeah, that's why I like the Last of Us show, because that's actually a realistic way that like a zombie thing could happen, like some sort of bacteria or like that takes over your body, because it actually happens in nature. I don't want that. Have you not seen that show yet?
Speaker 2:the last of us. Yeah, oh yeah, okay, absolutely. I've also played the video game. Yeah, me too. It was great. Yeah, it was really good. Um, I am concerned by the fact that there are parasites that can do that to living creatures. Yeah, yeah, I think our brains might be too complex for that. Yeah, like the humans that have the toxoparasite. Don't really, I don't know.
Speaker 3:It says we have a higher internal temperature so we just burn it off Like it can't survive in our body until it becomes resistant to that, and then it's go time.
Speaker 2:CWD, mm-hmm, you know a lot about that. It scares me. What is it? I know a little bit, but I know you will be able to just elaborate on it a bit more.
Speaker 2:Well see, and this is really interesting because CWD is the prion protein, the prion prion, the prion protein. I think it's an abnormal fold of this prion protein, that, uh, it affects mostly deer, um, and they shed it and then it persists in the environment for a very long period of time and then it's passed to other deer and so on and so forth. It is a uh. What is the term? It's a spongiform uh type disease, so it causes holes in your brain. So it's the same as mad cow, it's the exact same kind of family as mad cow, but this one's pastured deer sheep get it. Scrapey is what the sheep have. Oh, okay, so that's the controversy over, uh, you know the llamas that. You know the elk hunters that take llamas?
Speaker 2:yeah into the mountains like the sheep.
Speaker 1:Hunters hate that I guess it's because of that scrapey is it called yeah, okay, the sheep hunters hate it or the elk hunters hate it.
Speaker 2:No, the sheep hunters hate the elk hunters for bringing the llamas into infecting their wild the.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so has there been any like wasting disease? Human you were talking about it.
Speaker 2:last time we talked, which was I remember.
Speaker 3:He's extremely paranoid. I don't think there has been. Has there been? So Okay?
Speaker 2:So here's the thing CWD chronic wasting disease has not been passed to humans, but humans have a version of it called kreutzfeldt-jakob disease, okay, which is the same spongiform encephalitis um, which causes holes in the human brain. It's terminal, terminal disease kills you, your brain shuts down, you're gone like a flash of light um. But the thing is that concerns me about it is so if you watch the maps um of the kind of the progression of cwd throughout southern canada, it is increasing. 12 years ago when I started hunting around here, no concern about cwd. Now I think it's mandatory head submission in our zone in our in this area is that correct.
Speaker 2:Um, and I know people that are starting to get like positive hits when they submit their heads to CWD and for me, like I just I don't want to take the risk, right, because what happens if you eat it? Yeah, right, and it's typically mule deer. I think it's a little bit more prevalent in than whitetail. I shot one once, a CWD deer Yep, was it all fucked up? Horrible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yep, was it all fucked up horrible yeah, it was disgusting. They looked like. Looked like death, looked like death.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was bad. Yeah, I think you can tell um at the later stages, um, and and like there's interesting podcast, uh, doug duran, who runs a high fence elk farm. He's on joe rogan and he, he's the one that like talks a lot about it and why and he runs a high fence elk farm he does, yeah, does he believe that that's right because of like.
Speaker 2:See, there's also the controversy is this farm, these farm that and this, these farm? Like? Totally I'm against. Like from the little that I know, I mean, I don't like the idea of why do you need to raise elk in a confined space when you can raise beef there?
Speaker 2:yeah well and I think because the problem is I know doug recognizes the in listening to him talk like he recognizes the issues with running a high fence oak farm and basically the the thing that causes it is is like um, inbreeding and cannibalism, I think, are a big driving factor of uh, cwd and those kind of like related diseases. He says like high fence farms are a huge problem and I know however he does it, I think he does it differently or it could be even he may not even run that type of farm, but because you'll get high fence elk farms where guys will just harvest huge bulls yeah and that's the whole reason they're going there is because I'm gonna fence in these elk within this square kilometer.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna let them grow, I'm gonna let them grow, I'm gonna let them grow and then I'm gonna have an easy hunt and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go shoot these things right.
Speaker 2:Horrible, I mean, tell me, I I met a gentleman once, came up to two gentlemen and they came up to me after hunting season where I hadn't had much luck maybe I'd killed a doe or something with my bow and put a lot of time in and uh, they came up to me and they're like you're not a hunter, you haven't shot nothing.
Speaker 2:And then they showed me some pictures of where they had been Saskatchewan and um, like one guy shot a whitetail and the other guy shot an elk and they were absolutely enormous and this was early on in, like my hunting. I guess not that I'm very experienced or anything, but I have put a lot of time into researching. And and you know, they were like yeah, yeah, uh, this, this white tail scored 302 and and and the elk was 518. And he showed me a picture and I thought it was photoshopped. I was like there's no way. This elk is absolutely disgustingly monstrous, monstrous. It looks like something from the prehistoric times, like, like from, you know, when mammoths were running yeah, and I I'd never seen anything like it.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like, oh, so I go home and I start googling biggest elk and the biggest one was shot down in, you know, in utah 430 it scored. And I'm like something doesn't seem right. He shot five, 500. And then I just figured, okay, he's lying. And then years later I kind of realized, oh, it was a farm. Guys went. That's why they had to go to Saskatchewan to get him. Yeah, it's a problem Even in.
Speaker 3:Manitoba, though the deer because that's where I'm from the deer we used to shoot out there are massive compared to the deer in Selden Alberta, and they are yeah there are massive compared to the deer and sell the number.
Speaker 2:And they are, yeah, they're just naturally bigger though.
Speaker 3:Yep um, but then again they're having their mandatory submission now too, for wasting, disease and everything yeah, my concern, but not, but not like they're big, but not like prehistoric big yeah, yeah, like 516 like I've seen, then you got it mounted and it looks.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's massive it's ridiculous, but then there's nothing, absolutely nothing cool about it. You're literally an executioner yeah, it's like a 90 yard shot with your 300 win mag yeah and sorry, it's just my little, one of my many little well, it's the states of those buffalo I feel, like curtis right now um and you know what's really would be concerning me. So I have been getting more into elk hunting as of late, right yes and yeah, it's awesome and again. Like man was I happy for you yeah, I was bringing them to.
Speaker 3:Were you guys there? Did you guys help?
Speaker 2:no, well, I ate some yeah they turned up with two well, one huge cow and then another average size, but like good, good and it was a good year.
Speaker 2:But the thing about elk hunting is like, as long as they're not fenced in, you have to be willing to put in the work, generally right, like sometimes people get lucky, but like you're probably not going to shoot it from the road, you have to be willing to hike. You have to be willing to pack it in or out, depending on where you're at. If you can't get somebody to you know, haul it for you or whatever. Um and like in so far there's no cwd and elk as far as I know right, it's still kind of a safe thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, really yeah I, I, yeah, I mean I talked to somebody that was uh worked in the meat processing industry, uh like inspections and stuff, and she talked about trailer loads of elk coming into abattoirs and she had to go through and inspect them all oh interesting.
Speaker 2:Now, I don't know if she ever found cwd in those elk, so that's that's all I know about cwd and elk. All I all I know is that she um had to inspect them. Yeah, well, there's an elk farm. I know of an elk farm just out by um what would be turner valley. No, out by, like raymond. Oh, okay, wow, yeah, wow, yeah, like there's not far um, isn't it like night?
Speaker 3:it's got a.
Speaker 2:You can book through them right, that's the night ranch is, but that's not an elk farm, that's not, that's a private ranch where you.
Speaker 3:A guide comes out. A guide, yeah, oh. Okay, that's what that is. I heard about that this week. I didn't even know that thing was around. Very coveted elk hunting. Yeah, I heard it's hard to time to, I believe it's. It's. It's a few years, for sure to get drawn as well. That makes sense, but it's a pretty penny too they do.
Speaker 2:But then they they take you out and you know help you, and then you know you got a tractor to, and I think curtis knows that a tractor would be very handy. Yeah, those things were ridiculous it was handy having it when we butchered them at our place, like yeah, but that's half the fun of it.
Speaker 2:right is like I. I get really frustrated when I um and I've been this person to a degree, we've all been it when we've been like lazy, tired hunters. I get really frustrated when I see guys just driving along, fucking truck hunters, with their fucking gun hanging out the window, and I'm just like you, and then usually it's some fat sack of shit that steps out that would get out of breath, going upstairs and I'm just like you. This completely misses the point here. There are no campaigns. There are no campaigns.
Speaker 3:They are not hammering. Southern Alberta is bad for that.
Speaker 2:Even if you're out there at 6 am, you just see the trucks rolling up and down the gravel roads and you see them stop and then you see them go, because you're usually out there walking in the field or actually bedded down somewhere. The thing is it's a bit of a double-edged sword, because down there it's effective to find them. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh yeah, a lot of I mean a lot of animals I've spotted from my truck do you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean I've not shot them from my truck but like I spot them because you can cover ground glass right, and I'm not saying it's just hard because everything's so crisscross. I mean you got these sections right that are crisscrossed with roads, right, and then what's the point of jumping out in your truck when there's all it is is a flat field and you can see across it and there's a whitetail right in the middle.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying yeah, it's like it's hard to I get it, like it's not great to see, but like how else are you supposed to?
Speaker 3:get to that, hunt it yeah.
Speaker 2:You know and that's why I'm like it's, it's, it's it's something that I struggle with is a very difficult thing for me to find good places done because, like you know, you either go the truck way or you literally get out of your truck and then hike way, way back, and then that takes a lot of time. And if you don't have a lot of time and you're just trying to get make a kill right, like shoot a doe or something, then it is an effective way to find animals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it depends on what you're hunting, like deer, for sure.
Speaker 3:Like a white tail. Yeah, pretty easy to find, right pretty easy to find.
Speaker 2:Um, but like, like is like the area, and then you're pretty familiar with the area, right, the west slope of the east, porkies, or whatever you want to call it right yeah if you can see a herd, it'll probably be gone by the time you get there.
Speaker 2:Anyways, um, if you're walking, but at least it's nice to know there's a herd in the area, right? So I I'm totally behind like, hey, go do some scouting, go find the herd, go go get a light talk to the landowner, hey, have you seen any herds in the area? Blah, blah, blah, blah. I just hate the southern alberta deer hunt.
Speaker 2:I hate it so much it's just, it's mayhem oh, it's like opening the just opening days, like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. They're like fuck, just get me out of here. I, I agree. That's why I just, I just really do not. I almost entirely avoid rifle hunting. It's all totally around here unless it's, and so so the only time I'll rifle on is, and that's, you know, if I'll backpack in or um, you know um, or sheep, if I ever do it, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:yeah I'm I. The one thing about sheep is it interests me massively, but it's like that thing where, like I go once and then I just become absolutely obsessed and like I don't want to do anything else other than than sheep hunt, right, so it's just too many, so many different things that you can just become incompletely engrossed in. And I don't know, I think it's probably a healthy thing to become engrossed in. Yep, yep. Well, I went down last year so I've shot some mule deer right with my bow, but last year I kind of ran out of like I had this favorite spot that I went um and they shut it down last year because it was so dry. So I had to, like, just find some public land.
Speaker 2:So I went down to the Pinhorn area. Where's that Down by Foremost? Oh, okay, like way east of Foremost Many Berries, that area Just bald ass, nothing. And I talked to a experienced mule deer hunter and he told me, go to this area. And he and he kind of we looked on google maps. He's like I call it the hellacious um coulee and it's a section of just massive, massive, massive coulis oh, cool and I started.
Speaker 2:I parked my truck up and started walking and I was just like I never killed a deer, because it's a different level. Like those deer, they see you literally from a kilometer away and they're gone like white tail, and you will not see them again all day. So if you bump it like often, have you bump a mule deer around here and more. This is my experience again, again, like there's probably some hunter, that's like you're full of shit.
Speaker 2:You don't know what you're talking about, but this is my experience Around here, a little closer to Lethbridge, you bump a mule deer, you'll see them again. But these ones, like down there because they're so wild, they're like whitetail. You see them once. You have to be so careful about like not silhouetting yourself, staying, staying like in cover, glassing being. And it was so hard to find these deer. There were tons of them but literally they would not let. I could see them, like you know, sign everywhere.
Speaker 2:I saw a lot but like boom, you'd see a little fleeting you know just one just bouncing over the hill, or and then the challenge of those like luckily I had google maps on my phone and I was able to like navigate, you know, knowing where I was, because these coolies are like I and you know, and I started talking to other guys that had been down in these areas and they're like, dude, it's steeper than the. It's steeper than the mountains. It's harder, it's rougher terrain than them. If it had trees, you'd be almost impenetra. It's steeper than the. It's steeper than the mountains. It's harder, it's rougher terrain than the mountains. If it had trees, you'd be almost impenetrable. It's just like steep, steep, crazy, and they're like cliffs. I mean, they're not rock, but they're like steep. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It was quite an experience. I didn't kill nothing. I went for five days down there and walked my hike, my ass off and got back like literally had to come back every day because I was starting to run out of water. I'd bring as much water as I could, but you know, noon, noon would hit and I'd be like, okay, I gotta, I gotta start heading back and it always takes you so much longer getting back than going out.
Speaker 2:You're all pumped and you're dragging, and then you're not as alert, and it's such a and then you're all alone.
Speaker 3:Which is awesome.
Speaker 2:I mean it's healing man, it's healing. Sorry to sound spiritual, but it does something to your mind and it's amazing and there's just so many experience like experiences like that that you can go through that like like are powerful, right, yeah, there's. I feel like I'm talking too much.
Speaker 3:No, no, oh, you're, you're right though I remember shooting my first year and it was like just the good feeling when you came home and it was all done, and after that it's a very uplifting thing it is, it really is.
Speaker 2:It's powerful. There isn't a feeling like it that you can't associate with anything else that you do. I agree with that 100 well then, you spend like I've literally just been obsessing about elk for the last seven years. You don't have that now you have the bug.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's like was that your?
Speaker 2:first elk, yeah, yeah so Sorry that was the first elk I've been successful. I've shot at a lot of elk.
Speaker 3:No, but like brought it home. Yeah, right, and I was just like.
Speaker 2:And now I'm like okay, we got like three months till bow season. Like let's go. I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah, it's a total.
Speaker 3:You're going to get an I don't know, get into it. You don't have to ask anything either, so you'll be all in.
Speaker 1:I don't know. If I want, you'll be all in. I don't need something else. I can't do something else. Yes, you can.
Speaker 2:This is kind of how I think you need it.
Speaker 3:It won't eat up a lot of your time.
Speaker 2:A couple. Yeah, it should be fine. It should be fine.
Speaker 3:Everything's fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shut up.
Speaker 1:So you have kids, though I do. I have two kids, I don't know. I have a bow. I bought a bow a long I don't know how many years ago now, with the intention of going hunting it one day.
Speaker 2:And then I shot it about a dozen times. What?
Speaker 1:bow, did you buy Like a PSE Stinger?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It was decent.
Speaker 2:The bow that collects the most dust. In the most closets there's a lot of dust on it.
Speaker 3:It's that's right.
Speaker 1:Actually, everybody that has a bow that they've never touched, it's normally a psc yeah, they heard about john dudley and they went and bought a bow and then they're like okay, uh-huh, it's something like that. Yeah, I don't know. So I, I don't know like I I want to. I've always wanted to. Are you have?
Speaker 2:you rifle hunted, have you?
Speaker 1:killed deer with rifle. No, never hunted.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you're not, not interested, or just never, it's not that I'm not interested, I just never.
Speaker 1:it's funny cause like well, obviously I know a lot of people who do it that hunt a ton, but I don't know why I've never really done it I should? I don't know. I have no excuse. I got nothing. I don't have time.
Speaker 3:Like, I'm just interested. It does eat up a lot of time.
Speaker 2:Oh for sure. Oh, dude, it's yeah. Like you cannot be worried about time when you're hunting, like if you're worried about time. It's not going to be fun. You literally have to like set that time, set aside more time, a certain amount of time, and then don't think about. Well, you won't be able to.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And if you do, you're going to. It's not going to be fun but, like you said, it is healing whether you're by yourself or not, and there's something like I haven't spent a ton of time by myself in the woods. Like you know, you go hunting with a buddy. Oh yeah, I'll link up with you in four hours and you're like oh, I'm fucking really by myself now and kind of like it's fun regardless of whether you're by yourself or not though it is nice'm gonna put my phone aside and just it.
Speaker 2:It doesn't even work or it's not an option, right, and I can just go be out and like, do the thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, super powerful it is, and there's something not primitive about it too right like you're out there hunting to provide, like there's a there's a primitive piece to it too.
Speaker 2:That I find is actually kind of rewarding yes, which which I also think is probably why you feel like such a piece of shit when you don't shoot something and you come home and you're like, well, if this was prehistoric times, I wouldn't be feeding my family right now we'd all be dead.
Speaker 2:We'd have so many tags just like stuck to that gun locker of mine that are just unfilled yeah, but I I think about this a lot too. Um, you know if you actually needed to back in the day you did not give a shit. Oh, yeah about how you killed that animal you ran it over a cliff. You did. Chased it down with dogs. If you would have had a truck, you'd have tried to chase down run like you were starving.
Speaker 3:It was not.
Speaker 1:There was nothing yeah, like you know, you definitely wouldn't have you weren't worried about humanity or human being, humane, could you?
Speaker 3:imagine pushing buffalo off a cliff, though crazy, just yeah and then the stench later on, when, oh, like with the, with the amount of meat and wastage.
Speaker 2:Oh, what do you mean waste? They use all the parts. There's no way. There's no for that. What do you mean waste? They used all the parts. There's no way.
Speaker 3:There's no way For that many buffalo, excuse me, sir. They used all the parts. That's what the museum says I've been to the museums.
Speaker 1:That's true All of them.
Speaker 2:What's the size of the average tribe?
Speaker 3:I'm glad to see you're laughing Then again. You could not let anything go to waste because you had nothing.
Speaker 1:No, but there's no possible way they could eat that. That's a lot of meat to eat. That's like a lot you cannot eat rancid meat. You cannot. You're going to freaking die. They put them in the freezers.
Speaker 2:They're going to be like well, we needed six of these and we've killed 120.
Speaker 3:Yep All the stench?
Speaker 2:yeah, that would be disgusting. All the birds and stuff have you yeah, oh yeah for sure just sit there and think about piles of buffalo dude I'm a strange man all right so, uh, farmer joe, uh, what do you?
Speaker 1:so you're a rancher? Slash farmer, slash engine mechanic.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say engineer mechanic uh, land-based service engineer is actually the ticket. I have GNVQ level three.
Speaker 3:Wow, in Britain Level three, oh, not level two.
Speaker 1:Yes, so what is it that you do, like? How are you making your money? Are you farming, are you selling meat or cattle, or what are you doing?
Speaker 2:No, I make my money, uh, as a mechanic, okay nice. Fixing um agricultural equipment oh nice. No for farmers in the area. Farmers, it's got some construction companies, just heavy duty and ag equipment.
Speaker 1:Oh awesome, yeah, okay. So then in the farming side of it, like obviously you got some animals here, hobby. Just enjoy doing it, love it, uh and pure hobby, like you're not making any money doing it. You just enjoy doing it, love it, uh and pure hobby, like you're not making any money doing it. You just like doing it, like with, so for the sheep, for example yeah, the money is just so minimal for sure, it doesn't even matter money I've sold some, you know you've meat for cash or whatever right, you know it's just um, because, like for my, what have here?
Speaker 2:my idea is, like I have neighbors and like I just love the idea of just being able to, I like to trade Right. Uh, you know, sustainability.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And and keep, keep cash out of it if I can or keep. You know, you know the, the government like literally keep the keep the books out of it keep the paperwork out right, like so. For instance, like you know, I, I, it's all started when I bought, um, I got a border collie. Okay, uh, from uh hutterite colony. I've been wanting one for a while and you, you know, just didn't think. I, you know, just told them I've always went to this colony. I don't know if you know Goldridge Colony.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:So I went out there and they have a lot of like sweet ranch horses and working dogs and I love that, like I'd go watch them and stuff and work their dogs and train their horses and stuff. And then one day sam walter, the um, the farm boss, showed up with a border collie in the back of his truck. He said you know this, this dog ain't no good for nobody.
Speaker 3:That needs it for work, so you can have it.
Speaker 2:So I remember I was moving some bales in a loader and that little dog, she sat down right by my feet and we finished loading those bales and then I went that evening and got a dog bowl and then I realized, holy shit, this dog. Well, as a kid I've loved dogs all my life like been obsessed with them, and wolves like, literally. When I was a little kid I had I loved wolves so much like that they gave me a, um, a cd for my birthday and it was just wolves howling to classical music, oh my god, to classical music, yeah to classical music.
Speaker 3:That's how much and I listened to it. That's amazing, what a nerd I was. How old were you? Shit like six or seven, that's how much. And I listened to it.
Speaker 2:That's amazing, what a nerd I was, how old shit like six or seven and then I had, we had this book of dogs and, like we didn't, I didn't have a dog till I was 12 years old and it was this pyrenean mountain dog and we we um, me and my brothers were just sitting. We picked dogs like which one we wanted, and I always wanted the nastiest, meanest one that could bring down an elk for me and I could live in the mountains with a rifle and a dog that would literally go kill elk for me, and like that'd be amazing yeah like.
Speaker 2:So I'd be like, okay, well, this dog over here is a swedish elk hound, but he needs to be big and strong. So we need to breed him with, um, uh, a saint bernard, but then he needs the speed to catch the elk. So I we need to breed him with, um, uh, a saint bernard, but then he needs the speed to catch the elk. So I've got to breed him with a salute a greyhound. Well, he's a bit too spindly. We need the saluki. It's a little bit taller. Like I knew every breed, I had all worked out how many different dogs that uh, anyway, we got this pyrenean.
Speaker 2:Right now I'm getting a little older and I'm kind of learning a little bit more the qualities of dogs, how they're different, what it all is. And I remember I lived in Britain at the time and there was a sheep farmer, a guy with that was uh, running some sheep, and he was walking past with his a little pup, a border collie pup, and I had I had my big dog on a leash and he was she was like two years old and this border collie was six weeks old and he just he had it attached to his ankle like so he had a little little, a leash attached to his ankle and then to the dog. Okay, so that dog would literally just eventually give to the pressure it would, and so, and then he let it off. But then he let it off the leash and it would just follow exactly where he went. And then he kind of let it run a little bit further and I'm like hey, like that's a really cool dog. And then he like calls it and it comes right to him and he's like lie down. And the thing lies down and I was just like my dog has never been. And he's like, yeah, well, it's a border collie. Like these are unbelievable dogs. And I'm like one day I'm gonna get a border collie. So back now, years, years later, but he brings me a border collie, that's awesome dog of my dreams.
Speaker 2:And then, you know, at first he's like, yeah, it's no good at chasing stock right, like it's weak, it doesn't bite. You know, it doesn't work with cattle. And so I taught it to chase a ball right and it did that, fantastically, retrieved it, but to a point where it then became completely obsessed, like so the way border collies work is it's bred into them so much to work. Work is that's bred into him so much to work. Every waking minute of that dog's life is spent thinking about working for its master. So then that dog, then that ball, or that bad other bad habit like chasing tires or, um, I don't know.
Speaker 3:That the million different children's ankles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they all turn into work because they don't have that livestock to work. Yeah, and I started having horses. I had some horses here and she would just go and like, watch them all day. And then one day I just like I started talking to guys and I found a guy down the road that was, you know, charging for guys just to come and work his sheep. So I started there and I started working this dog on the sheep. And the first day I went there, the guy couldn't, he didn't have the time of day, right, like I didn't know, and he didn't care, he just took my money and left. But I thought my dog, all of us, us, because I'd seen her kind of like circle the horses, I'm like. So I went out to those sheep and he was just doing something else and give a shit and I was circling the. My dog started circling. I'm like, dang, this dog's pretty good right. And then, um, I come back a week later and this time, this time there's a really good. Can I say names on here?
Speaker 3:Sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I met this guy called Cody O'Donnell and he's one of my best friends and he kind of helped me with this dog and he told me what an old guy told him. And we started working this dog and all of a sudden this guy that was taking my money looks over. He's like, well dang, this guy got a pretty good dog. So then it went on and on and on and I got sheep and I got into it.
Speaker 2:Sorry for this long, ridiculously long story. That started from elk hounds, but that's how I came on to I got some sheep. You know well, I actually like kept some sheep here for a while and then I eventually bought my sheep and then I got, traded them for a cow and, you know, raised the cow, kept it here, butchered it, ate. The meat got capped like just kind of just, it's just unfolded right by itself and it's something that's very, um, it's.
Speaker 2:I really believe in not forcing anything like it. You know, if you really really want something, work at it, but don't get like, um, yeah, don't, don't just try, especially if it's something that's like that. That takes, uh, be, accept that the. It will take time, play the like. You cannot. Like a lot of guys might have like got that dog and then thought, oh, I'll go buy 30 cows, right, like. But I find, like it's, there's just more satisfaction to to letting yourself just learn naturally and things kind of unfold naturally, without slamming it, 10xing it. I get it like I, I, I did, uh, you know, there, there, there is a place for like 10xing it, right, right, but like I find with what I do, it's the most peaceful and cool way. I'm glad I did it this way and maybe it comes maybe a little bit from a little bit like caution.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm is your ego and time. That's your greatest, that's the greatest, that's your main battle with. It all is is your ego and time. And and because we try and force things, then you try and force, especially with dogs, right, like you try and force something on this animal, like you're gonna freaking go around and you're gonna lie down here, um man, yeah it probably it sounds like like something's totally weird to you but, literally, I was today.
Speaker 2:Today I was down um, at a, at a rancher friend of mine who told me this story, right, and we worked, I worked my dogs down there and um, you know, man, like, I listened to this guy, uh, about half a year ago on a podcast. His name is jack knox and he's a um, he's a world champion, um stock, uh sheep, uh dog handler. And he says, and he's 83 years old and he said this podcast was unreal, like, it was just on a like not very mainstream one. But he says, man, like, I've learned more from these dogs than they've ever taught me. And he just keeps taking it back to them dogs, and how much he's like every mistake I've made is my fault, not the dog.
Speaker 2:The dog knows what to do. I have learned, I like that flick of that ear, you know he's got your, he's got your attention right like or he. You need to notice that, observe, observe, observe. And I remember that guy, heiner, the guy I talked about right at the start with that border collie. He talked so much about being observant, like it's. So anyway, that's my, that's my thing, yeah, yeah, it gets a bit philosophical, I think, told you, I think it's interesting because it's, uh, I think, our, our inability to, because we're always in a rush right, so time's always we're always fighting with time and our inability to pay attention to things around us, whether that be like the animals around us or just other people, right?
Speaker 1:I find everyone so, especially with the, the world of phones were yeah, you mean we went out for supper, uh for my birthday, a while back, and uh, we were just sitting around talking and like put the phones away. We're pretty, we're pretty good at that. I mean, I'm not always good with my phone, but when we go out for like a family supper, like phones are going away and just you know chatting. But you look around and there was a couple beside us who was. They said they're there on their anniversary and I swear to god, I don't think they looked at each other or said two words to each other other than like how's the meal?
Speaker 1:yeah, good, cool and then just on this, on the phones the whole time and like didn't, like I'm like how do you survive in that world? And like that's human to human, where we understand we I mean we should understand like mannerisms and that facial expressions of that kind of thing. But then you start going into like the animal world or even like play things where, like they're obviously intelligent creatures like, uh, octopuses scare the crap out of me because it's just like they're so intelligent, right, and and dolphins, right, yeah like all that those kind of wildlife where we just think, oh, they're just animals, but they actually have like these intricate ways to communicate that we just don't understand.
Speaker 1:So we think they're stupid or we just don't care. I guess maybe because our understanding is we just don't care about it because it's like, well, we can't, we can't get there, we'll never know what they're going to say, to what they're trying to say. And it's just interesting because, like our, we're so unobservant with each other, especially these days with technology. And then you add in okay, well, of course we're, we're crappy to the world that we live in, because we're just, we're just trying, it's all about me, it's the whole like self-centeredness of, well, I need to get from here to here and you're in my way, and now I'm gonna honk my horn and give you the finger because you're driving a little too slow or something. It's just, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:Do you ever just walk around um and if you're not on your phone, and just look around at all the people?
Speaker 1:who are?
Speaker 2:just completely oblivious to what's going on around oh, that's insane airports, like 90 percent of people haven't a fucking clue.
Speaker 1:No, we're all guilty of it, for sure, at certain times, right, but I think that I think, when you notice that, though, when you take the time to notice that it pisses you off and you, you become, you want to be less yeah, you're more self-aware 100.
Speaker 3:So then I?
Speaker 1:think that, as, as you become more aware of that, you actually it's good for you because you're like I don't want to be that. I want to be aware of my surroundings. And this comes to like situational awareness idea. Like there's, there's a video of, uh, a woman getting abducted by a dude where she's at a bus stop by herself and she's on her phone and this guy like obviously, like he like laps her like four times, kind of like, checking checking out what she's doing, looking around, checking the area, like it. Had she been any sort like any sort of awareness at all, she would have realized this is weird, like it's getting a bit creepy, like he's obviously, but like, and then she, he just grabs her by the throat and takes her away right off the camera. I don't even know what happens in that, but it's just about that awareness and like it's something I try to tell my, my daughter, all the time, but it's like it's impossible right now with phones you just wait till the headsets come in, though she'll be sitting at the bus stop with the yeah, yeah, the medic meta quest what's it called like the like apple, apple vision, apple vision yeah, I've seen, we're all
Speaker 2:just gonna be walking around with our fucking except for you, because you don't have any. Do you even have any social media? Yeah, I actually have facebook, that doesn't count nobody uses facebook. What are you? 100? What?
Speaker 3:do you mean facebook? Facebook Marketplace is the best. It is the only place to sell stuff right now.
Speaker 1:It is the best thing. If you try to sell anything on Kijiji, that is literally the only reason I have it, it is the only reason I have Facebook.
Speaker 3:It's true, it's the best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean my and I got asking price for it Like, oh yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Kijiji is dead.
Speaker 3:And all I get from.
Speaker 1:Facebook Marketplace is the new Kijiji. The only thing you get from Kijiji is scams, because my dad tried to sell his vehicle on that. It's an old vehicle.
Speaker 2:And he got like calls daily about oh okay, yeah, we'll just send you. So we're not from there and we just need you to send us. Yeah, it's all been around for a long time. But to be fair, facebook marketplace I'm getting so sick of is this available? Yeah, it's fucking posted, or? Um, what is your address? Like question number one, what is your address?
Speaker 2:uh, no, I'm not gonna tell you that, yeah, my brother is selling a vehicle right now, and he's been, you know, like mine sold real quick. But what I did right away was like call me, didn't engage in any of that texting back and forth because, I was like and and literally I told him because he's like man, this freaking thing isn't selling.
Speaker 2:And I said, dude, like, get them to call you, don't sit and message on Facebook and let them. You know, you've talked about this before on this podcast is, like, you know, time right, like managing your time, optimizing it. Time is something you can't get back. No, time is is is something you can't get back. No, when you're 80 years old, like you, you've probably said heard this before. But like what does a, an 80 year old billionaire, want more than anything else? Time, totally. And so, like it's like my brother, like, dude, don't let them waste your time, they're not worth your time unless they're gonna call you and come, look at this damn car and get it. Really it's, you got to see it.
Speaker 2:What did I? I thought about this yesterday. I said if it's not worth, like, anything you do, if it's not, if you're not doing it to, if it's not making you better or you're not at least getting paid 10 bucks an hour minimum for it, don't freaking do it. Yeah, right, like if it's not making, if it's not productive and you're not getting some sort of sense of satisfaction out of it right and betterment, like for, definitely not just that, because you can sit and watch tv all day, yeah right, and get satisfied.
Speaker 2:Betterment and satisfaction, or a sense of accomplishment, that's what I meant to say or 10 bucks an hour yeah those. You know that kind of thing. That's kind of what I. I haven't fully um come up with a philosophical meme, but yeah I I would say like you're selling yourself short at 10 bucks an hour, like I always joke and I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm never actually like good at this because I always joke like our hourly wage at work. I'll be like I will not work for that is my bare minimum yeah, my time is worse, yeah on my free time, but like it's so.
Speaker 2:The problem is with being a peasant because we're all peasants is like when you have money, you just get all your time right, your money. And I don't want to be rich because I want to be rich. I want to be rich so I can have my time, because if you're rich, you can be fiercely protective of your time right.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:When you're peasants like us, you have to trade right.
Speaker 3:You have to barter your time.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, but it's trying to, yeah, like I guess, optimize. Have you heard of Chris Williamson?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's got a podcast. Have you ever listened to his podcast?
Speaker 2:his podcast yeah, I love listening to his stuff. Modern Wisdom it's wicked.
Speaker 1:I have not listened to his, but I've listened to Monrogan he gets your man Bedros oh yeah, my boy BK. I like that guy he's cool anyway, that was one of my favorite episodes on that podcast was him and with BK oh okay, you've probably seen clips of him on yeah I just took a picture of him I've seen times, but he talks lots about really good really.
Speaker 2:I mean, dude, it's really good. I I actually in fact now I'm at a point where sometimes, like because he gets some pretty high level guests on there and I'll, I'll see, I'll kind of it's like a should I listen to this guest on rogan or?
Speaker 3:should I listen to him on because?
Speaker 2:like this guy. Really, it's almost a little bit more self-helpy, right? Um, if you really want to, I can't listen to him if I'm not going to actually think about it deeply and and spend some good quality time thinking about it's, not something you just want to miss yeah, that's probably you have to be like actually thinking and listening, for for sure, whereas Rogan talking to whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bert, bert and Tom.
Speaker 3:I can listen to that in the background. Protect our parks for five hours where they just get plastered. But I've listened to everyone.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Rogan. Can we talk?
Speaker 3:about no, no, no, you're going to say it. I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1:The moon say it. I don't want to talk about it I need to talk the moon landing. No, have you listened to terrence howard? Yes, no, dude, you need to go listen, so lock yourself in a quiet, dark room yes, you gotta watch it though, if you can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the videos are good. Turn off the lights, tell nobody to bother you and watch it for three hours terrence, howard and joe it or don't, or don't, is it late is it? Is it a new one?
Speaker 1:uh, fairly new it's yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd say like one of the latest three. I'll summarize it here for you I am, I hit.
Speaker 3:How are you going to summarize this?
Speaker 2:No, no no, my belief's here. No, I'm not going to summarize it. I suspect that physics might be wrong.
Speaker 1:Okay, all of it All of it Okay. But okay, let me caveat this you have to get through the first half hour, because he gets weird real quick.
Speaker 2:And you're like this guy's insane.
Speaker 1:But you got to get through that part and then you're like this guy is a genius. I think, yeah, I've listened to it twice. I've started to listen to it my second time.
Speaker 3:Oh, you haven't. I'll give it a second try. You haven't listened to it. I have, I have.
Speaker 2:You need podcast grit because it's the same with RFK. You're like I don't like the way. No, but I can't listen to RFK because he sounds like this it's just that I cannot handle it. He's brilliant.
Speaker 3:Terrence Howard is brilliant.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:If he's so brilliant, he would have been in Iron man 2 and not got fired.
Speaker 1:No, shut up. Who is he? He's the actor.
Speaker 2:Do you remember Iron man 1? Have you seen the original Iron man? I kind of have lived under a rock.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What's that? Farmer Joe?
Speaker 3:Crash, crash, crash is a good movie.
Speaker 1:But seriously, I want to understand how you could have listened to that whole thing and not and not have been. I believe he has knowledge. Okay, yes and 100 and he has.
Speaker 1:He kind of looks familiar yeah, yeah there's like the fact that he has proof of like all these patents that he has and the fact that, like he can show you actual proof of some of the things he's talking about. It gives credibility not to all of it, because I'm not saying all, it makes all of it true but it gives a lot of credibility to his uh ability to think outside the box and develop these potential things his periodic table thing was it's interesting, it was that was very it was somebody else who made that first right right but he's just, but I just don't think you have to listen you have to listen to everything and expect that you're not listening to a podcast with an actor.
Speaker 3:It sounds weird but you gotta like you have to listen, because I listened to the first half an hour and I stopped and then I had to go back and re-listen to it because I was so lost.
Speaker 1:You just gotta put away your judgment. How about that Is it?
Speaker 2:kind of like have you listened to Elon Musk?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, okay, I would say it's.
Speaker 2:I find this one interesting because he I literally have had to listen to it twice. I'm probably going to listen to it again because it's that complicated.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I like to nerd out on this shit a little bit like the physics side of things.
Speaker 1:He's basically saying his gravity isn't real and a whole bunch of crazy things.
Speaker 2:But he makes compelling arguments that are plausible to my stupid layman 100%, me too. I'm like, oh yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1:But I also can fully understand that I'm too dumb to understand what he's saying.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1:Completely, and maybe what he's saying to a physicist they could disprove it, but the thing that drives me crazy about people like this is they won't do it Like. I would love if Joe brought him back on with like an Elon or no, he's not a physicist, but somebody who's like brilliant, and they could talk about these things and see if he's like completely out of in left field and the. And the thing I love about him, terrence Howard, is he seems super open to like I want to talk, I want to debate this with somebody, and so they can poke holes in this and tell me where I'm wrong. Or maybe you can help me because he's I. Maybe I'm wrong, but he seems humble enough to be like I actually want to know if I, if you can prove that I'm wrong, yeah totally and I think, like, how many things in the world do we not understand?
Speaker 2:most things right. How do things work? We don't really know. How does biology, how does all this blah, blah, blah, how do things work? We just kind of like we've we've come up with like an accepted theory, plausible theory to explain things that doesn't make it right no so like to be open, to be like oh okay, maybe there's a completely different way to explain the same things that we're seeing, right, it's?
Speaker 1:interesting and then it encompasses things that we still understand. But it opens, expands our knowledge to include those things like that's like we're talking about dark matter, how it's not a thing. Yeah, it's interesting because and but yeah, it's a complete like I just was listening to that, I'm like is this guy insane or brilliant?
Speaker 3:the mother's womb thing. He came out with yes, 100. That was like that was weird. Maybe leave that till the end.
Speaker 1:I feel like that, that discounted so you credibility, literally the first 15 minutes he comes out and says how he remembers being in his mother's womb. And so right away you're like, okay, this guy's insane.
Speaker 3:It starts off with like hey, how's it going?
Speaker 2:Terrence Well, when I was in my mother's womb, and he just goes on this rabbit hole and he rants for a good 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:It's a long a kanye west rant.
Speaker 1:It reminded me for the first little while, but like a lot like less crazy yeah, slightly less, but some of the basic things he said, like the math, the basic math stuff, where he says, uh, like one times one is not one, how can it be one? I did like it's two. You can't have one thing and multiply it by one thing and get one thing. There's two things and you're like oh my god, or like, well, how come? One times zero is like, what is your? Anything times zero is zero. That's stupid. One times zero you. How does you, how do you eliminate matter? It's not, you're not eliminating one, it's. There's one thing you have did. How did you get rid of the one thing? By multiplying it by zero I found it really interesting.
Speaker 2:It's interesting stuff, I I found it all really interesting the way he's oh man this, the way he talks about how, oh fuck the sun is like a source, like the sun is kind of the center of the galaxy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's right, and how. We all believe that space is like vacuum, nothingness, and he's like that's not actually the case, based on the math that he does is that the sun is kind of the epicenter and there is a pressure gradient that expands out that we can't detect because it's too hard to detect. I don't know, basically, what he says. As a result of this, we as people think that we can leave earth and go to mars or other places. We can't do that. It literally we cannot do that because we will just like the pressure will be so different that we would just I was like, oh, that's fucked up.
Speaker 2:Well, I, the way I see it is I mean, I've kind of said this for a long time like like look how small or the size of you know anybody's head is, okay, and look at that like the vastness on one scale. Like look, look at, like, um, the endlessness of just, let's say, size on one scale and then smallness on the other scale, like splitting atoms and shit, right, and then how far away, you know, everybody, everybody knows it. Learn about astrology. Light years. We're only getting light. So new stars, we're only still seeing light from Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, how can a little tiny computer inside this little human, you know, we're just pretty much water, right, you know water and bones and blood I mean yeah, like there's no physical way we will ever understand. And well, that's the fun, totally right, like and this is where it's. This is why we're interested, because I think anybody that thinks that. They know that. I think the older I get, the more I realize how little I know right and why I get more interested in learning more and you get to.
Speaker 2:It's so funny because I listen to this podcast and I'm just like man I don't know why I think so similar to all these guys. But I think a lot of it is because we're all around the same age. We're all in our 30s and we're just like dang. Oh man, there's a lot to learn and it's so interesting.
Speaker 1:But not everyone's like that, and I think that, oh, I guess, yeah, we were talking about blue-haired weirdos last night, but not just that.
Speaker 2:I think that, oh, I guess. Yeah, we were talking about blue-haired weirdos like last night.
Speaker 1:Well, she's doing her job. I just think that not everyone is in. I don't know what it is, but people get so absorbed in whatever they're doing that they don't I don't know what it is, but I find the people that you kind of, you kind of gather around, the people who are kind of like-minded or at least seeking something right, and I think the thing with this whole podcast has been.
Speaker 1:We are trying to I mean, from aliens to stupid things. We're just trying to know more about things. We want to learn more. But we're idiots and we're just trying to sort this stuff out For sure.
Speaker 2:So it's like how do you?
Speaker 1:and having those conversations is super fun, but like it fun, but like yeah, it's interesting because we this is we talked about this before but it's like we feel like this is normal. This is normal to sit and like think about these things and like argue about them, but like it's not.
Speaker 2:It really isn't well, I'm having it's. It's everything. I just, by the way, in the middle podcast I don't know how far we are supposed to be in, but like I have no idea it's everything I thought it would be.
Speaker 1:It's so fun. It's fun as heck.
Speaker 2:And I was saying I was saying to curtis like, um, like, like I'm a podcast version and all this sort of stuff so we're popping my cherry. You're doing awesome, you're doing great.
Speaker 3:I like that, though, because like, but not a lot of us do think about a lot of that stuff but, but it goes into everything, though, because that uh is it? Magic box theory is where technology gets so advanced that the average user can't know how it works. They just just know that it does work like magic, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And so that is what I think about the majority, the majority of stuff, even fucking tapping to pay.
Speaker 1:How does that actually work? I don't have a clue Like where does that how? I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's just magic.
Speaker 1:It is literally magic.
Speaker 3:I would like to take somebody from 20 years ago and bring them to today and show them stuff and they'll be like, well, that's all magic.
Speaker 1:But if we went back to like this, we'd be murdered.
Speaker 3:Oh God.
Speaker 1:Even the knowledge that we have of things you go back to like. Not with my jiu-jitsu, yeah, you'd be murdered.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he'd be choking cougars out.
Speaker 1:Do you guys do jiu-jitsu as well? Yeah?
Speaker 2:don't do it at all not really at all.
Speaker 1:No, I, I got into it. Where are you going are?
Speaker 2:you going?
Speaker 3:with him, uh, I went.
Speaker 2:Uh, it's been a while, I'm sure, like we went december and then I, I was pretty committed to uh pfa, oh yeah, um, through the winter months. Yeah, because, uh, you know, now it just gets so busy over there like I don't have time.
Speaker 1:Those guys are such savages over there. I love it. I loved it.
Speaker 2:Basically, you know when they had their branded fights.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's kind of when. Okay, then the next, after those branded fights, the next class had a different feel to it. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2:It was just like people were more like aggressive aggressive and and I was kind of like I was, uh, there was this one kid, um, he's a little bigger than me but he's only like probably 14 or something, and he has this one judo throw right that he caught, used to catch me with a lot at the beginning, and then I then I just figured out like I would just take him with a double leg and take him down, and so I fought him the day after, right or whatever, and rolled with him and we started from standing up and like I took him down with a double leg and you know, ryan, I love, I love ryan.
Speaker 2:He's so cool and he was watching and I was like, he was like oh, good move, jim. And you know, whatever like tap this kid and then I was like, okay, well, I'm feeling a little bit like confident, I'm like I'm gonna let him never, ever, ever. I learned about it was a bad mistake. But I was like, okay, I'm gonna try and figure out what he's doing to me and let him. Well, this kid came and he freaking threw me and I didn't realize, because obviously you're jacked a little bit, you're just having fun.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize what he did, but he cracked my rib oh he cracked my rib when he threw me down and then I, I, you know, he literally it's a throw where it literally land in a perfect arm triangle almost, and instead of actually just having you know, I should have just had the humility that jujitsu teaches you and been like no, no, it'd been like hey, bud, I know you're 14, but I really want to learn this move that you do.
Speaker 2:It is not the way to learn to let him smash your body and then literally only get out of this arm triangle because you're stronger than him. Yeah, like it's stupid, yeah, and then I'm like okay, I'm going to power through this, I'm not a pussy. And then we do all the sit-ups at the end. So I can't remember his name, but there was an instructor and he always likes to do push-up, push-up, extra exercises at the end Scott.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we did all these and and I'm sitting there at the end and I can hardly do a sit up.
Speaker 1:I'm like what the why does it hurt so bad? There Like and.
Speaker 2:I'm just, you can hardly breathe at the end and I'm like, okay, well, I'll go home. Then I sit in my car and I'm driving home, like it sets in.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So then, and then, obviously, it was it.
Speaker 1:It, you know it takes forever to heal.
Speaker 2:It takes a while to heal and I didn't feel good for probably a month, yeah, and then by that time my membership had run out. And now we're we're busy, but I'm gonna. I do a little bit. I've got a little bit of an upstairs gym and and I well, I've got a buddy that comes over and we just do a little bit of pad work and shit. Nice, but man. I do want to come and roll with you guys again when you're yeah, I'm going to.
Speaker 1:It's going to be horrible.
Speaker 2:I'll probably see you on the mats before I see JB Shut up.
Speaker 1:I knew you were going to bring this Somehow. I knew this was coming up today. I don't know, man, I love it. I've got some really good momentum on my what I'm doing right now and I like I feel I'm worried that I'm gonna come and like injure my rib or someone's gonna wreck my knee it hurts I know I've done it several times. Okay, and like that or like, uh, yeah, I and just I'm like, I'm a little terrified of that, which is kind of dumb.
Speaker 2:Well, and the problem is there's not enough time, like I am granting your gears, but I'm also experiencing, actually, some of the same things you're experiencing right now. It's like we have a run coming up in September that we've committed to. It's a long one. Yeah, how many K? Was it 100. You're doing 100 K in September, holy shit, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I get it. You're going to be ready for elk hunting? Oh, yeah, which would be great. We're going to be like, let's go. Yeah, you're going to be like, let's go. You're going to be hammering it. Yeah, I'm going to go straight. Cam Haines again.
Speaker 1:Cam Haines yes you will and honestly, I feel shitty about it right now because it's like this is like Shannon's got a fight coming up in September and I'm like I feel like we should be there to help her and I just part of me wants to do that.
Speaker 3:Who's Shannon?
Speaker 1:Our friend Shannon Clark. She's the LFA champion right now. Lfa.
Speaker 2:Sorry, it's a fighting league. It's kind of like a feeder league, like a WHL-ish kind of thing.
Speaker 1:But she has a fight for the UFC In Canada. Yeah In the States, oh in the States.
Speaker 2:Yeah, obviously women yeah. Yeah, like she well, she would be the featherweight.
Speaker 1:Featherweight. I can't remember, 125 pound women's champion, but like like LFA is elite.
Speaker 2:Like LFA sends a lot of competitors to the UFC.
Speaker 3:So like sends a lot of competitors to the ufc. So, like sugar, sean o'malley fought in the lfa.
Speaker 1:Oh wow um I'm sure there's other guys that I can't name off the top of my head um, yeah, so she has a fight in september for the contender series for the ufc wow so if she wins that she can get a contract to the ufc what are you going to vegas? Yeah, we are august.
Speaker 2:Oh well, let's talk about this are we going to? Vegas, did you go? Did you because you were like I, you know?
Speaker 1:what do you mean? Are we my flights book, my hotel? What are you looking at here? What do you mean?
Speaker 2:well, what are you watching down there? First of all, because you were like competition oh I figured, but here's the interesting thing, have any of you paid attention to the craig jones invitational?
Speaker 1:yeah, I saw that you do.
Speaker 2:You know what's happening with that uh, I just saw that.
Speaker 1:Uh, nikki ryan pulled out of adcc to do that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we were going to ADCC in Vegas which is like the.
Speaker 1:What does it stand for? Abidambi Combat Club?
Speaker 3:But it's probably one of the largest jiu-jitsu tournaments in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like, hey, if you're an ADCC champion, that's the thing to be.
Speaker 1:Like. So Gordon Ryan yeah.
Speaker 2:Is he the reigning champion?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Multiple weight divisions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's amazing, except do you watch golf at all? No, okay, so the pga two, three years ago, pga exists big deal, yada yada. The saudi arabians create a golf league called live like liv, which is 46 or 44, something like that this Is it the same thing, but for.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So Liv, in relation to golf, basically just said hey, phil Mickelson, we're going to pay you $60 million to come play for us, instead of the $6 million you make at the PGA. They just did this for all these guys and all these pro golfers just fucked off and went to Liv and left the PGA.
Speaker 1:Craig Jones, who's part of the B team in Austin, texas, has started this Craig Jones Invitational at the exact same time in Vegas as ADCC except the prize, money is a million dollars. So what is his Obviously? He knows what he did.
Speaker 3:It was obviously on purpose, and it's jujitsu.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:This is awesome. What is?
Speaker 1:his beef with ADCC. Why is he doing? It I think his beef is with Gordon Ryan Right.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I truly don't care enough to try and understand it. I find some humor in it and for me, if my family situation permits me to go, which I think it will it's still going to be good grappling. It's still going to be fun.
Speaker 1:Can you just get off the fence? Can you get off the fence and book your flight? And then we're good, how flight? And then we're good, how about that? Maybe just get off the fence if your family, you know your family situation.
Speaker 2:You know it, you have a child. Can I say a saying you have a wife. You can this is.
Speaker 3:I'm just looking up this is great sitting on the fence.
Speaker 2:You always get splinters in your ass. Exactly my flights are booked hotels booked.
Speaker 1:You just got a booked flight.
Speaker 3:My man, get off the fence, okay well, right, you had the flights and stuff.
Speaker 2:Just buy tickets for this no, I'm going to adc yeah we've already got the adcc tickets, like I just think it's interesting like craig jones is going straight live. Yeah, that's crazy yeah uh, I don't know, I don't know. Does it make the sport better? I don't know, do I care not?
Speaker 1:really I I get what he's. I mean he's obviously got b for them but at the same time like why try to ruin that thing when like do the week after? Like I just don't get, why would you do the same weekend?
Speaker 2:I because you, because you can swing your dick around. I don't know, I don't know, I think it's dumb yeah whatever.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we're still going.
Speaker 2:Fyi, yeah, yeah, okay I can't, I can't commit with like a hundred percent, like well, until I purchase a flight. Yes, exactly so purchase your flight okay, well, I know a bank that I can access money. Perfect, then do it jeez so who's all are you confirmed? You just I'm confirmed he's not going.
Speaker 1:There's a ticket.
Speaker 3:You can come, yeah, there well, there might be another one um how many guys are going? Four at the moment, okay, maybe five with curtis no, he's four I'm counting him in the four, okay but there's one more ticket that potentially I'm gonna go to the craig jones I mean, I, I can't.
Speaker 2:I guess you can speak to him like that, because you know, I don't know what is obviously your, your child, right, he's fine? No, he's fine, he's fine. Okay, what's gonna? I don't know the situation.
Speaker 1:The situation is he's got a child cool, so does everybody else almost in this room. So what you do is you tell your kids, hey, I'll see you in four days. Uh, I'm going to go to a thing with my friend.
Speaker 2:Well, it but the thing is like how, how it's obviously I'm gonna. Just I'm trying to break this down because it frustrated me the last time I listened to guys talk about it, and I just believe that he has questions about his optimization of his time no, he can I can I tell you the honest reason why I haven't done this yet?
Speaker 3:yeah, tell us, it would be nice if you were honest with me. I'd like that. It's been four months, just be honest.
Speaker 2:You know I am neurotic about how I spend my money. Okay, and my budget of money I just haven't budgeted for it.
Speaker 1:Okay, but you bought the ticket to ADCC, I know, but I didn't budget for the flight. Okay, I know but, I, didn't budget for the flight.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, okay, so that's it. I mean, that's all it is. That's just stupidity.
Speaker 3:That's on you. That's stupidity.
Speaker 1:That's on you Because he bought the ticket to the event knowing that he'd have to buy a flight. That's how that works.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, it is stupidity, I will say it here on record it is stupidity. I'm just trying to like, logically, be like okay well, there's no logic.
Speaker 1:He's just being stupid, he's just being dumb.
Speaker 2:I will book a flight on my WestJet MasterCard, which provides me no benefits if money is the problem, it's not a problem. I just don't like to spend money that I haven't accounted for doing things with it.
Speaker 3:I can buy your flight with my points and you can pay me back slowly over time I don't care, you're gonna get there, I I'm avoiding this problem okay it's not I'm sorry, I'm not perfect
Speaker 1:you can avoid it for two more the best part was he bought two tickets, thinking him and his wife would go with you to be two plane tickets that he didn't account for and and you can't get your money back on these tickets. You could probably sell it I probably could.
Speaker 2:I would like to go because. Oh, you just said okay, so you probably can get money. You probably could sell them. Could you sell them Probably? Well then, sell them. No, he's coming like right now yeah, yeah, yeah, like sell them.
Speaker 1:It's pretty simple, like either sell them, yeah, or or or sell them, or the longer you wait the harder.
Speaker 2:This is like, uh, you bought the tickets, but now it's like I mean it's, it's what I said before like yeah, you're, you're gonna get split. The splinters are just going into your ass right now right in the b-hole right, in the b-hole Right in the b-hole. Funny thing about him is he likes splinters in the b-hole. What you didn't know is I liked it.
Speaker 1:The thing I learned about b-holes is you need to make sure you use things that you can retain and retrieve If you're putting something in your b-hole you need to retain and retrieve it.
Speaker 2:The two R's of b-hole. The two R's.
Speaker 3:Ret reavet the two r's of b-hole, the two r's retain and retrieve there's a doctor on instagram.
Speaker 1:No, he's like. No, I, you didn't just fall in the shower and it ended up there. Um, believe me, we're not idiots. Before we wrap this up, joe can I?
Speaker 2:can I pose you a question or perhaps a request? Yep can you start an instagram page for your farm? Oh yeah, well, I'll probably get keisha to do it yes, yeah, thank you, yes, I can.
Speaker 1:Did you meet your girlfriend after you moved to back here, like back into town, or because obviously you, or did she come with you from the uk years and years ago?
Speaker 2:oh no, I I met her. I met her um fixing the skid, yeah.
Speaker 1:As all good love stories begin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there I was fixing a skid steer. Yeah and she brought me some watermelon. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:It's a done deal.
Speaker 2:And we're getting married in June, that's exciting Nice June.
Speaker 1:That's really soon, that's right away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's, that's the other marriage.
Speaker 3:That's the celebration, that's the ceremony. Okay, he gets it done. He doesn't sit on the fence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no splinters in that ass over there. No, not at all. Sorry, maybe I was a little direct with you there, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Oh, you have to be, that's okay.
Speaker 2:See, my skull is so thick that, yeah, um, so she'll start an instagram page for the farm, for sure. What do we? What do we? What do we call it?
Speaker 1:king ranch.
Speaker 2:It's hard because king ranch is that truck, that truck, I think, truck and really I kind of we talked about this because, um, our ranch technically is like a, normally seen as a bigger operation we're gonna break molds here.
Speaker 3:We don't need to be yeah, but then shoehorned into and then farm, but farm is more like the simple and it's more of a simple thing like ranch just sounds too like.
Speaker 2:It sounds too like uh how about simple joe?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, it's too simple and he's not simple like simple jack nuanced, layered man with many, many facets, like a diamond diamond no king farm. I think king farm, but that sounds weird yeah, king ranch, then I don't care king homestead king homestead king king ranch might get some copyright uh, you might get some letters from ford the.
Speaker 2:The biggest thing is like. So my, my company is called king wrench. Oh, right and it's. It's fun and cool and, like I, I'm amazed that I managed to think of that. But um, it's just all the time it's like, yeah, king ranch, and their king king ranch. No, it's wrench with a w. It's like, yeah, king Ranch, in there, king Ranch, no, it's.
Speaker 3:Wrench with a W.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. King Farm just sounds like different. Right Farm, king Farm, king, I don't know. Also a brand, is it?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, you make a t-shirt. Speaking of t-shirts, uh, thank you for those who have ordered a t-shirt.
Speaker 2:So far we do have, uh, probably a half sold. I'll get a t-shirt. Perfect, yeah, perfect. One more to the list, uh, and then don't you do some coffee thing or something that I should buy don't worry about that.
Speaker 3:Uh, okay, that's.
Speaker 1:That's just for our tony yeah, no, it's just for the no no. So like that coffee thing I think we got rid of. Did we get get rid of that? I think we did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've got rid of Buy Me A Coffee and it's now Support this Podcast, yeah, so we have a Support the Podcast button on our Instagram page.
Speaker 1:You can go to that thing and click on it.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you?
Speaker 1:you guys a question.
Speaker 3:Do you mind? Oh, okay, yeah, and we take care of people daily. I do the same thing, he does the same thing, same thing. We all work together. How do you know each other?
Speaker 1:Nursing home. From the nursing home.
Speaker 2:Really Mm-hmm. And did you work in a nursing home?
Speaker 3:We just call it the nursing home. It's called the nursing home.
Speaker 2:The nursing home is what we call it, so that we don't spread, so we don't make people too envious of the job that we have all taken on so you all work together at the nursing home.
Speaker 3:Okay, we don't like to talk about work a lot I currently train nursing home attendants.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool, cool.
Speaker 1:I just kind of wanted to know. That's all.
Speaker 2:That is what we do, um yeah, so you want a t-shirt, we'll get you a t-shirt?
Speaker 1:yep, um, we will have, we'll get. We'll get you back to you about inventory, but we like said thank you for the people who have bought them so far. We are, uh, we like I think it's almost half, which is amazing, uh, and uh, we, I think we should be getting them in our hands next week, so we'll be yeah are.
Speaker 3:We got a lot of requests for kids' t-shirts. People are.
Speaker 1:We'll have to just get some more smalls.
Speaker 2:maybe that's not a bad idea yeah. How many podcasts are there out of Lethbridge? I mean, you're the first one that I've listened to out of local stuff.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there's got to be Somebody was at our house the other day and they were like oh, I've heard of the Average. Support.
Speaker 1:Podcast oh wow.
Speaker 2:Shut up?
Speaker 3:No, they didn't.
Speaker 1:No, yes.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she'd heard of it, she's Keisha's friend. What, yeah, maybe she could come on Her personal best now squatting is 300 and something pounds, which is fairly impressive for a woman. Does she compete? No, she squats for fun. Just freaking jack, that's legit.
Speaker 1:Actually, that just reminded me. So if you wanted another guest, I could maybe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll see. Maybe she'd be interested. We'll have to see who she is. I don't know.
Speaker 1:We'll have to do some background yeah do some background whatever. But whatever, but like, yeah, uh, congratulations to local hattie canyo she just made the crossfit games today. She got uh fourth in the semifinals at the crossfit game, so she'll be in her first appearance in august. Did you do crossfit curtis at one point? No, I did no, he was a cross, oh you and I actually again it's because I watched spent a whole weekend watching it, but I was like, after this run's done, maybe I'll go go back.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Now, looking at you, I'm like dang.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised you actually haven't gotten a flex yet. He doesn't do this thing as much. It's weird when there's guests here.
Speaker 2:Do you still work out regularly?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, all the time.
Speaker 2:But you just don't want to do jiu-jitsu. No, I love jiu jujitsu no, I, I love, I love jujitsu, like I love doing it. Oh, you do, oh, I love it and I wish, do you roll at the yeah with these guys?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, I love doing it. Um, I I feel like I'm missing out when I'm not doing it, but I'm just. I made a really good like. I have a kind of a program I'm doing with our buddy, tony. Every day at 5 30 in the morning, we're at the gym, we're doing our thing and I'm just in a good routine right now and I just feel like I'm like I'm I'm going in a good direction and I'm honestly, my huge biggest concern is not because it's like it's just random injuries. It's not because anyone's we train with is would do that like they're awesome, and that doesn't mean to happen, but sometimes it does. Some guy tries to trip you on a wall I may have blown up his knee last time oh
Speaker 1:yeah, wow so, but like it's complete random and it just happened, but it was, it's like it. It could have been way, way worse and luckily it was like it was just the inside of my tendon and I, within a month, I was running, like actually I was running again pretty quickly because it didn't really do anything for my stability running, uh, but like any sort of twisting and moving was a problem, but like I healed. But it's just like it just scares you because like they could have been way worse, where like it blew up my knee and I had to get surgery or some stupid thing right. And it wouldn't be anyone's fault necessarily, but it's just the nature of what that is.
Speaker 1:It is, it's a risk, yeah and so it's like what I just thought what level of risk do I want to take to do that? Because I love doing it and I want to be better at it, but the injury is a big thing.
Speaker 2:I don't know, know, I don't know. And as you get older, injuries become more common.
Speaker 1:They do.
Speaker 2:And they take longer to heal. They do, and then that's the thing with the run coming up. I get it right Like your ladder of priorities.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Like running is the priority right now. Have you booked the run?
Speaker 2:Yeah, how long does it take?
Speaker 1:I mean like how long like teen 17 hours. We're thinking like 15 14. They're thinking like 15 14 more realistically like 19 have you run, it's not gonna be 19 hours marathons before or anything.
Speaker 2:Oh, you've run a marathon I have not okay and are you training every day?
Speaker 1:yeah, pretty well, pretty much we're right.
Speaker 2:Now we're at about 130 kilometers for the month I can tell you how many kilometers you are for the month. Where do you train?
Speaker 1:just in the river bottoms, uh, coolies treadmill right right now, like I'm focusing on getting like a good base, so like I'm trying to do a lot of like slow level like zone two running and then, uh, we've been doing. He's been doing more cool runs than I have, which I gotta do more, but just lots of more coolie runs you're at 124k for the month.
Speaker 2:You've met your goal, congratulations. I never tracked it or whatever, but last year I um, I ran every single day almost like four miles yeah like just because, uh, um, because it helped me mentally.
Speaker 3:I used to say I used to say so.
Speaker 2:I ran when I was like 18, um for more like fitness and stuff, and then and then back then I realized how much the running helped me. Like, one way I look at it this is one way of looking at it is uh, especially when you get up in like in the middle of winter and you run in minus 30 or whatever, and you go outside and you run four miles a couple, whatever, and there's a cold north wind and you're just like nearly barely suffering but there's nothing.
Speaker 2:Nothing. That day can be worse. Nope, totally, you know, and and that's kind of where I found that, that level, I I felt like I grew mentally more in one year of doing something physical than I ever grew yeah, doing anything right, like it was amazing what it did, for my mind was running. Well, I don't, I don't run every, I don't actually run now, um, but I found a way to.
Speaker 2:Uh, I found like that mental kind of thing yeah I feel like I've kind of mastered something in my mind where I can create that. I mean david got, like you know yeah, yeah I mean, I I've read his book and Tim Kennedy, all these you know same, we all look at the same stuff. But I found that now I actually get up in the morning and I read oh yeah. Right, like I'll get up and read books and I find like now this year, it's literally doing the same thing. Like I'm still always working on my mind Right, right, because that's the ultimate tool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're just doing something for yourself, right? If you're hammering on like whatever lever you're pulling on, as long as it's like hey, I'm doing this because it improves me or my situation right. Yes, I think there's probably a lot of benefit to that, for sure, and that's like like we speak speak for myself, but like I don't run all the time, I've run a couple ultra marathons like five years ago, then I haven't, then I hadn't run for years, and then yeah, yeah, this month is the first month where I've been like on par with these knuckleheads um for mileage and, like the first few runs, I was like I hate, I hate this I hate everything about this and now it's like okay, yeah feeling good and then're right.
Speaker 2:As soon as you're done, you're like well, the hardest part of my day is over. Like we went for a run last week. We did eight miles-ish, I think, in the coolies at 630 in the morning, so I get home at 830.
Speaker 3:Boom good to go, hardest part of let's go Right.
Speaker 2:So, cool Fucking it's game changing it is.
Speaker 1:It's amazing, yeah, the consistency of getting up in the morning and doing something.
Speaker 2:Anything Get up in the morning?
Speaker 3:Yeah, just get out of bed.
Speaker 2:Totally Set the standard, hold the standard.
Speaker 1:As my friend Nick Bear would say, average is the enemy. As my friend PK would say, Nick Bear yeah.
Speaker 2:Have you ever read the book. Sorry, I'm probably Karen, but the Ruthless Elimination of Hurry.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Okay, he talks about that a lot.
Speaker 1:I haven't heard that one.
Speaker 2:I mean he says it helped him. He reads it almost every year. Yeah, that's cool, we keep a list of books we talk about on this podcast.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I've read some of the other ones that he's mentioned. I haven't heard him mention that one before. I'm obsessed with him a little bit. I've been following his kind of hybrid workout routine right now, so that's what I've been doing a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you are a. You know you're a CrossFit guy. I do like it.
Speaker 1:I like that modality. I think it's the best thing. That suits our job as well in the nursing home. Okay, we gotta run. I got stuff I gotta do before.
Speaker 2:I work tomorrow, so I feel like we've covered like 1% of the man that is Johannes Kien.
Speaker 3:I like how it started so tell us about yourself, joe. And then we just went off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a typical podcast, thought everything which is awesome thanks for coming. That was thank you.
Speaker 1:It's an honor, actually cool thanks for listening, thanks for coming.
Speaker 3:All right, see you guys. Okay, bye, bye-bye.
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