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#46: Hattie Kanyo: Bali, Wildland Firefighting, Crossfit and the Crossfit Games, Mindset and Performance
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In this Episode we're joined by the Crossfit Games athlete Hattie Kanyo. We talk about the journey to the Crossfit Games, travelling and living/ training in Bali and Hattie's experience as a Wildland Firefighter in a predominately male dominated profession. We also dive into mindfulness and the mindset development as an athlete and how Hattie has developed her mental approach to performing at a high level.
BOOKS DISCUSSED IN THIS PODCAST:
What to Say When You Talk to Yourself by Shad Helmstetter, PhD.
The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle
OUTLINE:
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00:00:05 - Cults and Charismatic Leaders
00:11:24 - Bali
00:18:17 - Travel
00:27:57 - Wildland Firefighting
00:39:05 - Crossfit, Coaching and Community
00:49:58 - Self Talk and Mindfulness
00:56:12 - Mindset and Confidence
01:04:52 - Crossfit Qualifiers Reflections
01:11:49 - Aliens and Float Tanks
01:17:41 - Fundraising and Competition Prep
01:24:24 - Social Media and Authenticity
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Speaker 2As Hemingway said, there is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man. Who nobility is being superior to your former self.
Speaker 1Enjoy the episode as much as we enjoyed recording it Context, and we're kings, episode 46 Help yourself to a Zevia, or a Zevia. Or a bubbly. So our last guest Introduced us to Zevias, and we quite like them.
Speaker 2I might try and do you find the you haven't had zevias, and until the last one, I've never had them before and I thought they'd be terrible.
Speaker 1But they taste so much like pop and I've been trying to cut sugar out.
Speaker 4Uh, so they're very good I haven't had them in a long.
Speaker 1The orange not so good. I don't like the orange as much, grapes way better they have coca-cola and root beer too.
Speaker 4I think I saw that the grocery dr pepper I have.
Speaker 1Yeah, I gotta try those, yuck no, you don't like dr pepper.
Speaker 3No, don't start, do you know?
Speaker 2I don't love it either I'll save my dr pepper ranch did you know dr pepper just overtook pepsi. Yeah, they're number two now.
Speaker 1Yeah For like number two pop of all time, For like soda brand yeah.
Speaker 3All right, should we just? I've already started my man. Well, like we had to do timestamps.
Speaker 2Well, okay. Well, you haven't done it for the last seven podcasts, why start now?
Speaker 3Because we're legitimate. Now we got Okay, start.
Speaker 1Okay, we messed up Shocking.
Speaker 3Hey, I'm going to try today and your notes are going to say started and then they're going to say nothing else. That's pretty much what our notes do.
Speaker 1That bubbly. You want the strawberry bubbly. That one, that bubbly.
Speaker 2Just like tethered to your leash Okay episode 40.
Speaker 1What did you say? 46. We are extremely excited for a special guest, hattie Cano, crossfit Games athlete.
Speaker 4Yeah, wow, it's crazy.
Speaker 2More importantly, future commune leader. True, yeah, that is very important.
Speaker 1I'm glad this came up. So prior to the podcast, we did some bow shooting and it came to our attention that she also wants to start a cult with a fitness central central to the cult houses around it go-kart yeah, go-kart, go-kart yeah wellness in the middle yeah, okay, fun on the out, fun on the out, wellness in the middle, yeah that sounds amazing yeah how much land do we need for this?
Speaker 2I know more than four to six yeah, like 10.
Speaker 4Well, now that you guys are, in on it.
Speaker 1Then, yeah, we need. I think we need more than 10, I think like 20 acres you know why stop at 20?
Speaker 2Why don't we start at 40?
Speaker 1Might as well.
Speaker 2Because what if we have more people that want to join our?
Speaker 1cult. I'm sure they would. I'm sure there's lots.
Speaker 2Why not? Well, the word cult scares people away.
Speaker 1I like this.
Speaker 2Not for.
Speaker 1But here's the thing I learned about cults, because I've been watching a lot of cult documentaries lately and I've been obsessed with them. Nobody knows you're in a cult until way later. And then they're like wait a minute, am I in a cult? And it's strange to me because from the outside you're like it's pretty obvious that you're in a cult. The most recent one that my wife was watching and I kind of didn't want to watch it because I was resistant uh was the it's called 7m tiktok tiktok cult I watched that, did you?
Speaker 4yeah, yeah, is that about the girl who, like her sister, yes, the dancers, or whatever.
Speaker 1And then there's this dude. Guess it's shocking, guess what this guy's turns out not to be good. Uh, there was a dude that was basically had this how a content house, right where they would go and they'd shoot videos and make them famous on like tiktok, it's so wild it
Speaker 3so crazy. They made a documentary about that.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like a three episode Spoiler alert he tries to sleep with everybody.
Speaker 4Yeah, weird as called. It's crazy how they want to stay though so insane and not talk to their family, or anything.
Speaker 1It's so weird.
Speaker 4How can you?
Speaker 1I don't know, but that's what I find super interesting is that people like people get to the point where they they just get so sold on it and it doesn't really matter to them. They like forsake their whole family for this thing, and it's just so weird.
Speaker 3And then all of a sudden, you look around and you're all wearing matching T-shirts and you're like something's going on. That's true. That's true.
Speaker 4I get it if you started as a baby, right, but when not, like I think that girl was what 25 years old.
Speaker 3Yeah, and you're just gonna not talk to your family anymore. It's so weird so does he limit the communication over that house?
Speaker 1so it's like this weird christian, so he's a christian, or he says he's the christian thing, so they pull in this tiktok dancing getting famous thing, attach it to. You have to come to my church on sundays, okay, uh. And then it ends up being this weird kind of yeah, amalgamation of the two and then he basically says you need to like, give up your family and die to yourself.
Speaker 4It's so crazy, but like it's the same things that all cults say.
Speaker 1That's the thing right, pretty much and then some of the people who like that. But this weird part is, some of the people who kind of saw it going the wrong way were like wait a minute, this is a cult, I'm out.
Speaker 4We got to get out. Yeah, like four of them were like this is insane, we need to get out Completely.
Speaker 1Yeah, so then I would. Then I started looking up uh, I think I Googled the best cult documentaries that I've been caught.
Speaker 4I just watched one Wild Country. Nope, you'll love that one. What is that one?
Speaker 1It's about this guy named Osho and he had started this cult in India and they end up moving to Oregon. I can't remember. Like 90s, maybe they bought this gigantic piece of land in Oregon and it's fascinating. It's just fascinating Again because he had like thousands of people that came to live with him in the middle of oregon, in the middle of nowhere from india uh, some people came all the way from india and then came to here, but then his following got bigger. It's a really good documentary.
Speaker 3Wild wild countries it's called I mean, even looking at him. I believe that this is kind of what you want to see when you join a cult. Hey, yeah, if that guy doesn't, if you don't look like that guy when you're a cult leader I'm in. Yeah, you're in. All in.
Speaker 1Yeah, you know he's committed you know he's good at yoga yeah and uh, the best part is at the end. He has like all these rolls royce phantoms and he's like it's, it's amazing, oh my gosh it's actually really good, though, but I find it interesting because, again, these people are talking from like being out of it for like a decade yeah but they have such, uh like almost a respect for the guy, still like they are just drawn by by this one person.
Speaker 4This person it's all it takes, but what is it?
Speaker 1though, Like. Is it just personality for some reason? Like what?
Speaker 4is it about. Might be mushrooms that could be true.
Speaker 3Is it his personality or the personality of other people, lacking something? It's gotta be both and they just that fills the hole for them.
Speaker 1I think it has to be both.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think you have to have both.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3You do yeah, you do yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1But like just those people in history that were so good at it was like people just like they talk and people want to listen. They say something and people are just like, yeah, I'm in. Yeah, it's just it's interesting.
Speaker 3We know people on a smaller scale. If you're in like a large room with a lot of, take over the room almost in a good way, like, and everyone's kind of drawn to them and want to talk to them and all that kind of stuff, kind of like this guy, yeah like you could maybe run, yeah, maybe you should I can't.
Speaker 1Maybe this is the start, maybe, maybe I can't or I won't well, I don't want to.
Speaker 3Maybe two years from now two years from now, when they're making a netflix documentary about the average superior cult, they're gonna look back on this. And this is the day they started wearing matching t-shirts.
Speaker 1This is the day that maybe we had video. Oh my gosh, the first, the first video.
Speaker 3Yeah, you have to come you shoot a bow first and that's like the intro just to get to know oh no, sucked in slowly, maybe we'll see how. Well, I guess we'll see how but if we have a commune, I good with it. We just got to win the lottery.
Speaker 2Yeah, sure I just want a big sauna right in the middle with just a big stack of flame and fire.
Speaker 4A big window in the front. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1If I won the lottery, I would love to. I was actually thinking about this. I would love to buy a building and talk to Russ and say Russ, russ. And say Russ, we're going to go half jujitsu, half CrossFit gym. And I want you in Because you're the guy who runs the best. I don't want to run it. I want you to run it.
Speaker 4And he's got a building yeah.
Speaker 1Completely. So we need to buy a building and then we need to talk to one of the MMA gyms in town and say, okay, we're going to go half, half and half. I don't know how the finances are gonna work out that doesn't matter, you just won the lottery we won the lottery?
Speaker 3it doesn't matter, I forgot. How does that work? Do you do jiu-jitsu first and then you do a workout?
Speaker 2or do you do like? Is it intermingled in the way it works, is? He just doesn't show up to that side?
Speaker 4oh hey I didn't either in bali they do it do they yeah, at wanderlust they have the jujitsu side and then that's awesome the crossfit side.
Speaker 3Do they combine at all like do you have to do like a workout and it's like a minute round here and then you're back to? They do not combine.
Speaker 4No, but they've just made it into the membership so you can go to class anytime.
Speaker 1What would that cost? Is that like? Is it like crazy cost?
Speaker 4I can't really remember, I think it's maybe 175 to 200 a month. But they also have a huge recovery side with sauna, ice bath, a big 25 meter pool.
Speaker 2I'd pay 200 bucks a month for that For sure A heartbeat For sure Bali Tell us about Bali.
Speaker 4It's amazing.
Speaker 1I couldn't. Honestly, I could not like if you showed me a map and said point to Bali, I would be like, eh, somewhere Australia. And then it's up here, like if you showed me a map and said point to Bali, I would be like, eh.
Speaker 3Somewhere, yeah, where is it Australia?
Speaker 4And then it's up here. That's not where I would have pointed. No, no, no, it's like right above Australia.
Speaker 3I would have went like Middle East area, when I would have pointed when would you go?
Speaker 1Yeah, I was thinking like Like Egypt kind of I have no idea like Hawaii.
Speaker 4Close your eyes.
Speaker 1So just above Australia? Yeah, and you were there. You've been there for quite a while. You were there for quite a while, weren't you?
Speaker 4Yep, we've done like a 10 month stint during COVID and that was awesome. We had it really good.
Speaker 1How was that?
Speaker 4I mean, not a lot of tourists could come over, so we had islands to ourselves, we went. We went on a trip, the Komodo Island, so we went to go see the Komodo dragons, and we had islands to ourself.
Speaker 1Wow, how big are Komodo dragons? They're big.
Speaker 3Yeah, are they as big as like we see them in the zoo? I'm assuming out there they're actually bigger.
Speaker 4Maybe I've never really seen them in the zoo, so that's the only place I've seen them Really. They're pretty big?
Speaker 3I've never seen it. Have you seen it?
Speaker 4No. But I'm pretty sure they drug them up or something, because they were looking kind of dopey, oh really. Yeah, and they were like we spotted some Komodo dragons down the way Shocking and they said we don't feed them or anything. But there's this little plate that has a tiny hole in the top and there's for sure some meat in there, Because one of them looking dopey and clawing at it.
Speaker 3They probably dope the meetup.
Speaker 1The guy with the tranky visor just hides he's in the bushes and he's like come back and he just hides down in the weeds. Got the trank gun just hiding.
Speaker 4It was just so funny. He's like, yeah, we spotted some down the way and we're all like okay.
Speaker 2My what timing?
Speaker 4Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1It sounds like a Disney.
Bali
Speaker 3You just drive around, yeah oh, there's a hippo, shocking whoa. How long are you there for?
Speaker 4uh, we did 10 months during covid and then we've done four to six months for the past three years every time that we go it's like an airbnb or something, or so they have villas there okay and then they have these things called guest houses and they're kind of like a hostel oh and for the last couple years we've been staying there because we don't really cook there. You can just, yeah, it's so cheap that you can just go out eat really, really good food for super cheap.
Speaker 4So we're just like eh, it's a little more convenient to just go out.
Speaker 1Do you need, like, some sort of like visa or something to be there that long?
Speaker 4Yeah, you need a um a visa, for sure, and then you have to leave the country every two months, I think oh yeah, um, unless you get this six month visa, which is more expensive, but it's worth it. That's what we do every time that sounds amazing yeah so why?
Speaker 3are you back? Yeah, why is this the two month leave time?
Speaker 4and then you well, usually we're actually going to stay, we're we're not going back to bali till 2025 okay because I want to do some competitions here yeah so I would love to do rogue, even though that's in scotland now this year and then I would love to do like dubai and waterpalooza in miami, so, and we have a couple weddings to go to yeah, people's damn weddings.
Speaker 1I know jake's like wow, but bali yeah, that sounds like the appropriate answer to that yeah why interesting and so, but you, when you were there, you're just, are you training? Is that, is that the whole purpose of being there? Is just for?
Speaker 3pretty much yeah, training and recovery and the massages are like 20, so okay, five dollar foot massages so everything is just so much cheaper there yeah but the wage and the income and stuff like that, is it about the same for people or is it just like everyone just makes less and then they make a lot less, like the?
Speaker 4locals don't make a lot at all. Yeah, it's kind of sad how's the food? Amazing yeah, yeah I mean especially where we stay, because it's very touristy. So whatever kind of food that you want to find, it's there yeah, I love how you just glossed.
Speaker 1I love how you just glossed over the poor people how's the food? Let's just moving on. How's the?
Speaker 4food.
Speaker 3Move on, you don't need to talk about that sad they're not making people, they're not making much, but they're eating good yeah maybe they aren't well maybe they aren't.
Speaker 2Yeah, the food.
Speaker 3It's a good point does that mean you're?
Speaker 2are you working while you're there?
Speaker 4um, I work, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, I do my online stuff. Okay, and then I've coached at the CrossFit gym there too Right.
Speaker 1Okay, yeah, that sounds amazing, and is Jake coaching too?
Speaker 4No, he did for a little bit but he doesn't really like it. Okay, he likes just doing fitness gaming.
Speaker 1That sounds like the life in bali.
Speaker 4In bali you guys have a pool at your place yeah, oh my god, yeah most places have pools because it's so hot there yeah, yeah, I can see that how long is that flight out there?
Speaker 1because you gotta probably have to go to australia first, right? No, okay, but it's um.
Speaker 4I think the longest flight we took was 14 hours, and then it was like another seven hours on top of that and then another like four or something, so it's like 30 hours of traveling that sounds terrible yeah, my gosh, the first time you how many times you've been out there, then you've been um four?
Speaker 3I think four yeah the first time you went out there was it just mind-blowing yeah, does it get like?
Speaker 4yeah, less mind-blowing each time because you're like oh, this is cool.
Speaker 3I kind of remember it, no, not really amazing every time. That's why we keep going.
Speaker 4Yeah, those damn those dragons still hot. It was doped up dragons no, it's just amazing there and the culture is cool, the people are amazing.
Speaker 1So every time we go, it's just, yeah, it's magical uh, and then so, obviously, when you trained there, when, I'm sorry, when was the last time you were in bali? Was it recently?
Speaker 4It was probably man. I don't even know what month we're in right now.
Speaker 1We're in June. I believe it's June, just in June.
Speaker 4So probably six months ago.
Speaker 1I want to say we were there so prepping for this run of the games.
Speaker 3A lot of it happened there, I guess, yeah, and then I wanted to come home for uh like the open and quarterfinals right it's just too hot there ah yeah, the second you walk into the gym you're just dripping sweat, yeah is it like an elevation difference, where the oxygen is like like a thinner or something like that, if you're it feels like thicker.
Speaker 4Yeah, oh, it does the opposite. It's the opposite.
Speaker 1If you're hot if you go in the mountains.
Speaker 3Well, here's a thinner here's the thing, John we don't know where Bali was before we started.
Speaker 1I'm assuming it's by the ocean and not in the middle of that mountain. It is an island, it's not on Mount Everest, so it doesn't have thin air.
Speaker 4But they do say that training at that type of heat is like elevation training. Because I do come home and I feel amazing.
Speaker 2That makes sense. Yeah, that is cool.
Speaker 3Even though I amazing that makes sense. Yeah, it's cool. Even though I'm coming here to a higher elevation, I literally wouldn't last I would sunburn and die.
Speaker 4That's because you're ginger, not many people with gingivitis that hang out over there. Yeah, I know, did you go to australia? Uh, we went, I think that was last year, but only for like seven days. Yeah, probably not during covid.
Speaker 1They were like oh, yeah, they went crazy. Yeah, they were like locked down.
Speaker 3Supreme over there was bally pretty loose when it came to covid, or was it pretty strict as far as it's?
Speaker 4like a lawless land over there you just pay the cops off and stuff that's it, that's it perfect that's crazy.
Speaker 1It's like a movie just need to have that money in the in your fold that you pass your license would it be like an appropriate family vacation destination.
Speaker 4Oh, yeah, yeah, For sure.
Speaker 1Yeah, probably not too cheap.
Speaker 4It sounds like it's cheap. No, but I'm assuming if you're going for the family vacation.
Speaker 1You're going to like an all-inclusive or something insane. No, I hate all-inclusives.
Speaker 2Okay, I've been to one.
Speaker 1You're going to take the kids to a hostel with the child I don't know. So what?
Speaker 4okay, no, you could get a nice villa yeah, a villa would be like an oceanfront villa yeah, yeah, for sure, isn't a hostel where pretty cheap hitchhike no.
Speaker 2What are they called hitchhikers? No yeah.
Speaker 3Hostels, yeah yeah. That's a thing.
Speaker 2I don't know what you're trying to say backpackers yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, hitchhikers yeah, that's like where backpackers go, but the guest house isn't really like that.
Speaker 4I don't really know how to explain it, but it's more people. I mean people stay there pretty long term too.
Speaker 2The one that we go to.
Speaker 4People stay there pretty long term and it's just like you have a nice big room, whatever bathroom, you've got a desk to do your work and then you've got a shared kitchen, big pool, and that's all we kind of need. I mean, we live at the gym, so we don't. We use our place to sleep pretty much interesting yeah but then the villas are nice. Like the villa is obviously your own nice villa. Most of them have pools and you can get a big one, small one, whatever you want I'm in, yeah, sold I'm gonna.
Speaker 2If I could work online, that's gonna be so nice yeah, don't take your work with you. Would you go anywhere else?
Travel Experiences and Food Discussions
Speaker 4I've wanted to, but bali just keeps calling us. So come on back. Yeah, we don't really know. So we did an around the world trip to see where we wanted to live for a little bit and we started in panama. Did not have a great experience there because we went to this mountain town. We both love the mountains. Like we want to move to Canmore at some maybe when we're older.
Speaker 4But um yeah, we went to this mountain town. We both got altitude sickness going up this volcano just projectile vomiting. It was crazy. I hallucinated going up.
Speaker 1It was crazy.
Speaker 4They were way ahead of me and I thought there was branches in front of me. So I was like, trying to get these branches out of my way, what? Yeah, it was crazy and then so we didn't have a good experience there. Then we hit madagascar on the way and then we ended in bali, and that's when we fell in love with bali.
Speaker 3So yeah, do you do. We know why you hallucinated, I don't know that might be the error that might be.
Speaker 1That might be the error that one could be the error that might be the error that one could. There we go See science.
Speaker 4Well, I didn't even know that was a thing. I mean, I know that it's dangerous, but I didn't really think about it being dangerous. I just thought, holy, I'm so sick. And so then we just laid on the side waiting for these big Hummer trucks or whatever these Jeep trucks that go up.
Speaker 2And it took hour for them to get up there, so we're just huddled in this little oh my god.
Speaker 4Yeah, were you hallucinating the whole time? No, it was just that little area when I was trying to catch up to them, because their light just kept getting smaller and smaller and I was like guys wait, and I'm trying to get through these bushes that aren't in front of me oh good, yeah, that's gotta be from the oxygen.
Speaker 2You think I don't know a thing about altitude sickness.
Speaker 4It's gotta be I don't either, except that you puke and maybe shit.
Speaker 4But jake did he's like oh I gotta go and he just ran to the side and yeah, that's amazing I didn't puke to the very top. So the trucks picked us up and we went up there and it wasn't really a nice sunrise anyways. But then finally the clouds kind of started going away. So I looked at jake and was like, okay, I'll try to get a couple pictures. So I got out of the truck and then all of a sudden I just started projectile vomiting wow got a couple pictures and then went back in you got the pictures, though, so it's yeah
Speaker 2what are those like?
Speaker 3yep, we're not staying here yeah, not the best selfies, but no good place yeah if you like that kind of thing.
Speaker 2This was in panama, yeah, big cocaine importing, exporting country, lots of cocaine in panama, make some money yeah yeah, did you see the canal?
Speaker 4yeah, we did that'd be cool, it was cool yeah, yeah, got to see.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know the panama it's like if you did word association and you said Panama you probably say canal.
Speaker 2Yeah, I just know it connects the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific Ocean, right, why is it canal?
Speaker 1and not canal.
Speaker 4That's the same reason I feel like English language is stupid.
Speaker 3I feel like canal is a little too on the note. I don't like that, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2I'm just saying it's spelled A little too close.
Speaker 4Yeah, the english is dumb is english the first language, like the main language in bali. Um, I mean where we go, because it's so touristy. Everyone knows english, but they speak bahasa and indonesia bahasa indonesian yeah okay, I don't even have a clue what bahasan is. Yeah, I don't even really know I haven't't learned it yet which I need to.
Speaker 1I think it'd be hard, because you've been there so often now, to like find a new place, given that you've, you know, developed relationships and found people that you probably like hanging out with.
Speaker 4Some of our best friends are there.
Speaker 1Is it the same kind of situation with you guys?
Speaker 4They travel there and they stay there or they live there and then they're like, oh, we're living here One lady, she lives there full time. Our other friends have moved, so two of them were going to their wedding in Portugal.
Speaker 2So they just moved to Portugal.
Speaker 4Um, the other ones are from like the States, so they went back, but most of them live there for at least two to three years.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4When you go, you'll just want to live there.
Speaker 2So oh.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2I've been to one all-inclusive.
Speaker 1I just have been in North America. Is that Dominican for the wedding? Yeah, and it was it was.
Speaker 2The people were great. It was a terrible experience. I got sick as fuck.
Speaker 4And that's another thing. So Bali belly is the worst. Bali belly, that's what they call it over there and it is so bad my first time that I got it.
Speaker 3I had it for two weeks or no, sorry a week of just being in bed puking and shitting like I don't drink the water kind of thing.
Speaker 4Over there is that kind of a yeah, you can't drink the water for sure, but that's not what you get it from. You just get it from, like, sometimes eating the food. Maybe there's a bug in there or something well, yeah it gets me every time, but now each time it gets less, so maybe it's only a day that kind of sucks, though just knowing that I'm going to get sick here, I know.
Speaker 4And Jake doesn't. Well, he's gotten sick most of the times, but he has not for very long, right His last, maybe a day, minor couple of days, the.
Speaker 1Dominican was bad. Half the people we went with it was for a wedding and half the people we went with were sick in the hotel room for like a couple of days.
Speaker 4One of the girls had to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1Really, yeah, she was in there for like two nights.
Speaker 4Probably so dehydrated too yeah.
Speaker 1And then she barely made it back to get on the plane to go home.
Speaker 2And that's the problem, cause they say like don't eat the fruit and the like the veggies.
Speaker 4But that was just it's so appealing.
Speaker 1I know, yeah, god, especially the watermelon they say, during rainy season, don't uh eat the watermelon because it I don't know how do you not eat? Watermelon. I know. If it's there, you're eating it no, what?
Speaker 2just look at it and carry on no no, it's so good you hate it I wouldn't say I hate it, but like I don't go crazy about watermelon, there's nothing to it, no, but like a good watermelon, it's the best watermelon.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's the key, though, because there's some for sure.
Speaker 4But when I picture a tropical island or mountain, depending on, you don't think of watermelon, that awesome green color, and then the red?
Speaker 2You know, like a round slice of pineapple with like a hole in the middle.
Speaker 3I mean that too. For sure, pineapple's going to be your go-to, but watermelon is the best. Cantaloupe honeydew, oh, cantaloupe honeydew, garbage Honeydew is garbage, garbage. Completely garbage. It's the filler melon they put in fruit salad. You shut your fucking mouth, are you a?
Speaker 2honeydew. I do enjoy a good honeydew.
Speaker 3Oh, you're a honeydewer. You look like a honeydewer.
Speaker 1It's such garbage.
Speaker 2It's the filler, yeah fruit trays, and they're always the leftovers completely because no one likes them.
Speaker 4Strawberries go first, I'll take. Strawberries are first strawberries, then pineapples.
Speaker 1They go first one and two yeah and then it's like, okay, there's some grapes, I'll eat those. I feel like watermelons in the podium too.
Speaker 2Yeah, sometimes have you guys had the hydroponic strawberries at costco? No, no, fucking unbelievable.
Speaker 1I didn't know hydroponic strawberries like were they organic or what do they? What do they say on them?
Speaker 4they say, hydroponic do they yeah, oh, no wait are they in the big? Yeah, yeah, okay, you had those. They're wild. Why are they different?
Speaker 2what is it?
Speaker 3because they're always perfect yeah, they're very, very natural, I'm sure no they're definitely not.
Speaker 2I have gotten some that are the size of like a small apple.
Speaker 4Yeah, that's pretty good they're juiced up. They are juiced of a small apple. Yeah, that's pretty good, they're juiced up they are juiced up.
Speaker 2They are doping.
Speaker 3They're doping. Pineapple Cotton candy grapes from Costco are my favorite. Which is. I don't know how that flavor got Cotton candy.
Speaker 1Does it taste like that?
Speaker 3Kind of yes.
Speaker 1Kind of Like eight out of ten, but it's weird. Is that why they're called that, though? Yeah, they taste like cotton candy. They make them that way somehow.
Speaker 3Naturally, it's natural.
Speaker 1Found in nature Comes from Panama.
Speaker 4Cotton candy Groceries are so expensive. Panama with the cocaine.
Speaker 2Yeah, those strawberries are like nine bucks, it's insane.
Speaker 1Well, and at Costco that's probably cheap. But like I was at Savon today and I just I just get what I get. But I look at it and it's like why am I paying this much for?
Speaker 3things like blueberries. Little thing of blueberries like 12 bucks now yeah, raspberries just gotta go frozen, frozen fruit frozen fruits the way sure, but I don't know. You gotta go to the farmer's markets, I feel like maybe I don't do that enough no, I don't do it either, and there's a lot of them here.
Speaker 1There's always outdoor markets and stuff now in the summer yeah, I think, which really have no excuse once a week, but I think yeah yeah, every saturday I want to say yeah, something, maybe sunday as well. I should do that support local yeah costco's local it's, it's in the city yeah exactly it's owned by somebody in the city.
Speaker 4Awesome, oh, it's the best.
Speaker 1I just became a costco member really you just did did you get?
Speaker 3executive you gotta get executive, because if you?
Speaker 1don't they going to hound you every?
Speaker 3time you go through the till. Oh, that's good to know, we might have a non-executive here.
Speaker 2Oh bro.
Speaker 3Once they got hydroponic strawberries, you're in Gold star. Member Gold star.
Speaker 1I switched over recently, which is stupid. Every time I go but you can't go there without 400, at least it's. There's a number and I don't know what it is for me, but it's probably 400. It's at least 400 bucks every time.
Speaker 2Well, let's talk about this though, because, first off, I didn't spend four, I spent 160 today how did you do that?
Speaker 4that's good uh because you had all the other things that you got last time. You just bought a bunch of 400, yeah like the meat.
Speaker 2We kind of like I'm pretty yeah, as soon as you start adding meat and fish and stuff into your cart, it's no, I have a real problem, though. We know Cart. Yeah, I have a lot of problems. I can't stop cart judging people.
Speaker 1Oh, you're a cart judge. Oh, I love it. They roll it past you and you're just like shaking your head and I'm just like fucking.
Speaker 2you don't need that. Take it out of your cart right now.
Speaker 4You just go over there.
Speaker 2Watching the things people buy to eat and I know it's.
Speaker 4You got to put on the blinders.
Speaker 1I know you can't help them. Those things are legit you can't help everybody.
Speaker 3Oh my gosh, they got the side protectors too.
Speaker 4Yeah you got to wear those in Costco. That's a really good point.
Speaker 2I feel like you have to write like a test to wear those or like, have to pass a right of.
Speaker 4Or like be a certain age. Pretty much they're pitties, man, they're pretty cool, they're. Those look like a bug, big bug eyes.
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Speaker 3They're super cool, but I'm all about live and let live, but I do the same. I'll walk and save on and I'll see someone's cart and I'll immediately judge their type of personality and they're and I hate to say it, but appearance too you're a bad person I am a bad person, but it's not like I, I'm not mad at them, is them? And then you're like do you need?
Speaker 4person, but it's not like I'm not mad at them, but that's what you're seeing is them. And then you're like, do you?
Speaker 3need them 100%, but it's none of my business. But it is your business, no, but is it? Is it my business?
Speaker 1it's not your business out loud but in your head, out loud in your heart, it's your business in your heart it's your business because, like in the, from a place of love you, you want to help them be better truly actually. Yes, I know that, but like it probably comes portrayed the wrong way there, you, you want to have these eyes yeah, oh my god, you're disgusting.
Speaker 2I have been known to hurt people into doing what I want them like not physically but like strangers.
Speaker 4No, no, just going up to everyone in costco.
Speaker 2Hey, yeah hey, you really shouldn't eat that, you fatty um no, try these hydroponic strawberries. They're so good. I yes, sorry I. What I mean is that like sometimes like the way to motivate people, like you can like inspire, or sometimes you can like not that I draw, but like insult or hurt somebody into like changing which is be like. The thing is like in my heart. I'm like I look at them and I want them to be better, right, and I don't want to have to.
Speaker 1I don't want to do that but we come from like our, our group of people.
Speaker 3We hurt each other emotionally all the time we did, but from love, though, like it's from a good I agree and like sometimes it depends on the day you take it.
Speaker 1Yeah, you know it's a joke and sometimes it like it hurts you a little bit. You know it just gets you?
Speaker 3Have you ever had a confrontation about it? Have you ever?
Speaker 2confronted somebody about their cart. No no no, because I stay in my lane.
Speaker 1Yeah, you can't actually say something, what am?
Speaker 2I going to say Like hey, shithead, you don't need those cream puffs.
Speaker 4You should try it and see what they do.
Speaker 1I don't want to do that actually works in the real world.
Speaker 3Well, against these people pushing the carts, I think it would you know what would be great is if you did that.
Speaker 2And then they're like you know what.
Speaker 3You're right. Yeah, I know that just motivates you to do it again and again.
Speaker 2It makes me sad to see and I know that we all throw stones in a glass house from time to time but it makes me sad to see the food choices people make.
Speaker 1They're the same people who probably aren't putting their cart away don't start we went on this rant before.
Speaker 3That's my least. The worst it is. It is you could, you could.
Speaker 4I took one ladies for her one time, because I just saw that she was just gonna leave it right there did you make it like, do you? Want me to take that. And she's like, oh yeah, didn't even say thank you, and just so your, whatever your point of passive aggressiveness, like I got this yeah it blew right by her yeah she's like yeah, sure, look at this nice person doing me a favor, yeah
Speaker 1it is what it is.
Speaker 4I knew she was gonna leave it there, so I was like let me just take that for you, you can you can judge a city's, you judge society.
Speaker 3But how many carts are sitting in the walmart parking lot? How many people actually put their carts away, but you can also do 20 extra steps yeah I
Speaker 2know, but you do so like. I've tried this where, like you, if you start walking and put your cart away, all the people behind you kind of like see you and then feel like pressure to do it, which is really interesting.
Speaker 3It's like a Jordan Peterson clean your room kind of thing, like you're tidying it up.
Speaker 2I may have said something under my breath, because I'm a bitch. I may have said something to a lady that just dropped her cart in like the middle of a parking stall like not too long ago, but it was more just like a, really, and she just like looked at me and kept going. Good, is it that?
Speaker 1uh, magic prank. Show one where they uh put a like. They somehow make it. You can drive the cart, so that people.
Speaker 4They watch the parking lot and if somebody doesn't put it away.
Speaker 1They'll, like the car will follow them, and then it'll stop in front behind their vehicle, and then they'll try and not let them get.
Speaker 4not let them get out. That is so good, so they'll keep driving it.
Speaker 3It's pretty funny. Have you seen Carton Arcs? Yeah, he is. He's my hero because he literally based off that study. There's a study that shows crime rates and carts left in parking lots.
Speaker 4There's actually a correlation in different yes parking lots and he throws magnets on their cars and then pushes the cart away for them, and they get so mad about the magnets.
Speaker 1That is good. Cart narks. Yeah, is that a tiktok? It is on tiktok, but it's also on youtube. Yeah, me neither, because a normal person in instagram reels is the same thing it's, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2I'd rather be surveilled by my government than a different government we're surveilled by every government.
Speaker 4if you have any social media, Probably, but I still don't want TikTok.
Speaker 2Exactly, I think it's time for you to come to the realization that you're the only person with TikTok. Yeah, and it's a problem, it's fine.
Speaker 4Are you addicted?
Speaker 3No, I don't use Instagram. I've had two. Well, yeah, I am, I guess, I guess I would say my wife put a limit on it, so I get 45 minutes, I get 45 minutes a day. She put a passcode on it, I don't know what.
Speaker 1Yeah, so I get 45 minutes. You know you're addicted when your wife puts a limit on your TikTok use, I'm not addicted. Admitting is the first step and I'm not getting it. How about Zonics?
Speaker 4Are you addicted on right now, a zendemic, a zendemic going on. Oh yeah, those are crazy, they are crazy One of our buddies, tony he.
Speaker 1I work with him and he tried. He said he wanted to quit, so I was being very supportive and saying, okay, you just not do it One. He stops at the gas station on our way somewhere else. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like I just need something. I'm like, no, you don't. We fought about it, we drove away. He didn't buy any and this guy gives him some the next day, just pushing it on him and he's like okay, just shoves it in his lip.
Speaker 4That's what Jake would do. He's just like yeah, here do it?
Speaker 3why don'm out of town on like these work kind of trips or whatever? And then I went camping this weekend and I had a couple and I was driving back and I yeah.
Speaker 4I might start doing it. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3I'm not going to like I apologize for throwing shade at you for doing it used to chew, did you really, oh really when?
Speaker 1I was firefighting yeah, we need to talk about that, because you were not just firefighting, you were like going out of helicopters, weren't you? Yeah, like a rap attack, uh, we didn't repel.
Speaker 4But yeah, I was hell attack, so we're ia sounds way cooler yeah, so we're ia and they just go find the fire and then they drop us off like closest to the fire and then we just trudge our way in and put out some fire in the woods. How long did you do that? For For six years, oh my.
Speaker 2God, how do you put out a fire in the woods? Sorry, that's a stupid question.
Speaker 4No, it's not, Because people really don't know, and it is very simple, but not if you don't really know the fire activity, because you don't have water right.
Speaker 2Because you don't have water, fire activity, right, you don't have, like you don't have For the most part, but up in high level, where I used to work.
Speaker 4There's lots of water up there, unless it's obviously a drought, but there's usually lots of water. It's muskeg up there, so we can at least find water. We fill it up with our hard hats, fill our little piss packs they're called, and then you just put well, some of them are big, but yeah, you go find your piss pack. I'm thinking it's a little, you feel like a little chum with your piss pack when you don't have a lake to put the fire out right so it does suck.
Speaker 4But you have helicopters with buckets, you have planes um dropping retardant or water um, but yeah, you just go find the fire. So if this is the fire and the head is going that way, then we would come down over here by the heel, we would go up to the heel, put out the heel and go along the um flanks and you're just on your way to the head of the fire.
Speaker 2So you're trying to put a fire into smaller pieces.
Speaker 4Not necessarily so like if this is the fire, you'd put out the heel here and then you'd go along the flanks. So once fire has burnt trees, like it's not going to go back on itself. But if the wind started to come this way, it obviously could come and hit all of these trees that haven't been burnt.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4So it could like wrap around you, but we're working on the outside of the fire for the most part, and then, once we've wrapped the whole fire, then you start making your way in the middle of the fire.
Speaker 1How many people in a crew go together.
Speaker 4So Hell Attack is four Okay, and we're IA, so we would just go hit fires when they first pop up.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 4And then we would work on it probably until the end of the night. Unless there's a ton of fires, then we would just go down, go hit the next fire, and then there's big crews of 20 and they would actually go onto the fire for days and try to put it out, huh.
Speaker 1And so, like you guys would stay there for the day, wait for the big crew to come in, then you would take off and go somewhere else.
Speaker 4Yeah, okay either go wait for another fire or if there's more fires, then we'd go. Like one day I had to assess, I think, seven or fires, but most of them we just had to assess from the air because there were so many going on. There was just a big lightning storm that came by and as I was assessing one, one of my guys in the back would be like there's another one over there. There's another one over there, so we'd have to assess this one. Go assess that one. Call different crews to different fires.
Speaker 1Crazy, yeah. And so, like from the helicopter's perspective, like are you guys, how close are you guys getting to those things? Uh, because they're. Obviously you have to set you down, you have to walk in quite a ways because they have to find a clearing somewhere to drop you down and go in.
Speaker 4If you're not rappelling, it just depends. I've had to walk in maybe two, three kilometers before, okay, yeah, so sometimes you can find places right nearby, and sometimes you have to trudge your way in how'd you get started on that, like, why did you decide to do that?
Speaker 4um my ex was doing it at the time and I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I was in school for exercise science and, yeah, it sounded like a cool job. So I applied and got the job and, yeah, it was pretty cool. But I went up there and everyone's like hick, just dipping and hunting and I don't do any of that. And so, yeah, I feel like I'm the kind of person that if you tell me I can't do something, then I'm going to try to do it, because all the guys up there were like, oh, she's just up here for her boyfriend, she's not going to make it up here. And so then I was like, well, I'm going to become a leader and I'm going to do this and this and this. And yeah, I did and it was pretty freaking awesome.
Speaker 2That's awesome.
Speaker 4And I learned to hunt, and I learned to chew.
Speaker 3Probably some swear words.
Speaker 4Probably a couple yeah.
Speaker 3How much? How much water would a piss pack hold? Cause I feel like it but the sounds of it it's not too much.
Speaker 4I can't remember how much they hold, but it's about 70 pounds.
Speaker 2Okay. So yeah, what's the level of, like base level of fitness among those people like the hell attack firefighters and pretty high.
Speaker 4Uh yeah, we have to pass a fitness test and it's pretty, it's pretty extensive, like there's a uh, what is it called Frigging? It is a thing that you have to walk up and down a ramp.
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Speaker 4It's a ramp you have to wear a pack you have to go up and down the ramp uh, four times with like 60 pounds. You put that down, then you put on 55 pounds and have to go up and down the ramp 50 times and then do a sled pull twice so they're back there, back with another like 60, 70 pounds on the sled and you have to do it all under 14, 30 or something like that oh well, I was gonna say, when you said four times, I was like it doesn't sound that hard, no 50, but then the 50 times so, yeah, that's the part that you're like, okay little known fact.
Speaker 3When I applied to the nursing home, I also applied to sustainable resource and development for hell attack nice and I did the physical and except they do the same thing, except you have to do a uh, what is it called? Like a shrug. You have a barbell and you just lift it up and down and right like an upright, like an upright row. You have to do that at the back end of it.
Speaker 3So I passed all that and then I got offered at the nursing home so I switched it up and I regret not doing, because this sounds so much cooler than what we do you probably have have just the dopest pictures right Sick ones.
Speaker 1Any close calls with fires.
Speaker 4Um, a couple, yeah, my, one of my first ones. I was walking in with um the second year and our leader and another guy had already gone into the fire. So I was a rookie and then the guy who had been there for like two or three years, he was with me. So we were walking in trying to find the heel of the fire and we had just walked a little bit too far and then the fire started going up and it kind of started going behind us a little bit. I freaked out just for a second, but then I was like okay, no, we went to training for this.
Speaker 4All you have to do is go into the black, because it won't go over top of the black if it's burnt. It won't burn over the black again, unless there was one year it. The fire burnt so hot that it burnt all the bottom. It came back, burnt the middle of the trees and then came back and burnt the top of the trees that was my last year and it was one of the biggest fires we've ever had wow, was that around?
Speaker 2was that fort mcmurray?
Speaker 4that was high level, high level fort mcmurray has had a couple big ones.
Speaker 2Yeah, because I remember like fort mcmurray is what like nine years ago. Yeah, birth of town down or something yeah, high level was what seven, eight, six years ago um, yes, five, five years ago, years ago, yeah yeah, it seems like northern alber Alberta just gets punished yeah.
Speaker 1So then you finished uh, you said you that did that for six years. Uh, what led you to the whole CrossFit stuff?
Speaker 4Um I, my professor at in college, tried to get me to go for three years.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 4I didn't want to do it because of the whole stereotypical everyone gets hurt. I'm not doing it. I was bodybuilding and I was a college athlete for, um, cross country and running, so I just, yeah, I didn't want to do it. But then finally, at the college gym, I just practiced like a couple snatches, a couple cleans and I just went into a crossfit gym and fell in love right away. Yeah, went to fuel, oh good, I find, like, like I said, I dabbled, I haven't been going consistently, but I'd find just went into a CrossFit gym and fell in love right away.
Speaker 4Yeah, went to fuel.
Speaker 1Oh good, I find like, like I said, I dabbled, I haven't been going consistently, but I'd find that we talked about it on this podcast before. But the community of it is kind of that. It draws you in pretty quickly just because everyone's super welcoming and everyone is just kind of like they're there for their own reasons, the game, some people that are just trying to lose two pounds, and yeah, like it's.
Speaker 4It's kind of neat because even though you have very different goals, uh, you can still rally around the thing yeah, I always say everyone's kind of at the same level, in the sense of like we're all just trying to get better. We're all just trying to better ourselves yeah and it doesn't matter if you can't do a pull-up or if you can do 18 muscle-ups, like we're all right there together. So that's why I love it.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's interesting and I find, like I like, unlike some gyms, there's less of, there's less egos in the gym like even with the people who are very good at it. It doesn't seem to matter like I remember, uh, your, your boyfriend's friend, brandon. He's like he's a freak of nature. The guy's super good at it oh, he's the nicest dude and like they had. No, there's no ego, he just is very humble and like helping everybody do their thing.
Speaker 4I learned so much from Brandon. Yeah, yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 1He's a good guy and like and, but just seeing how, just seeing that is very it draws people in because of that, because they're scared A I find that that's where that Excel, where CrossFit excels, is uh especially. I mean I'm sure there's some gyms that CrossFit gyms that aren't as like that, but the ones I've been exposed to are very much like that.
Speaker 4Yeah, I feel like we're lucky to have the gyms here, cause, especially with Brandon and Heather, they both move really well and they teach you to move really well, so now I'm a coach too.
Speaker 2And so now I get to teach that as well, and yeah, it's just amazing. That's awesome. I love it. Have you ever been to any like real hack um crossfit places like showing? Up like shitty yeah like showing up and been like. Oh like you guys give us a bad name. This is the problem.
Speaker 3Yeah, you're the problem, you're part of the problem they're just using the crossfit brand to draw because, like there's a lot of to like of jiu-jitsu gyms that are just not good.
Speaker 2Yeah, right. And they profess to teach the same thing, right? They don't.
Speaker 4Yeah, I feel like I've just been to more, I guess, lazy coaching kind of gyms in that sense, but not too bad.
Speaker 2Does that reflect in the athletes?
Speaker 4Yeah, I would probably say so you're gonna have like people not moving well and people you can tell are going way too hard, like slapping on all the weight when they don't have any business doing that, and yeah you're probably gonna have the outliers like in those gyms, right?
Speaker 1you're still gonna be able to be do well, because that's the type of person they are. But I think probably the average of the gym is probably worse than the average of like a good gym, right? That'd be my guess yeah I don't know, because, like those jiu-jitsu sorry jiu-jitsu gyms that suck, like they're still gonna have a couple of killers in there that are very good at what they do right yeah, no, I think it comes down to like the mindset probably starts with the coach and works its way down, right. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2How you approach your sport and whatnot, and it's just evident, I think, like you said, like bad coaching or less invested coaching. Yeah, very lazy coaching, you can tell when it's just like oh, they don't care at all, they're just going through the motions, right.
Speaker 4Yeah, for sure, and it gets. I don't know, it does get tedious sometimes, but you still need to be there for the athletes. Like not everyone knows, I mean half the time they're not even listening, so that's like the worst part. All the memes on instagram are real, where it's just like did anyone listen to what I said?
Speaker 1no, okay, do you, uh? Do you teach like some of the younger people now, people like teenagers that are starting to do it, or are they Just? Because I wonder if you see a difference in their kind of listening ability or the ADHD. They actually listen pretty good actually.
Speaker 4We always say they listen better than the adults.
Speaker 1Okay, good.
Speaker 4Yeah, and I've coached the kids a couple times um russ usually does it at uh framework yeah not fuel, um, but I've done it a few times and I do love it. I love seeing them progress. It's super cool. I did it a lot at fuel with um athlete project.
Speaker 3Okay, yeah, yeah yeah, what's kind of the age of the kids, so the not the youngest to go, but like? Is it like teens or is this? People start younger, or how does that hold?
Speaker 4younger, like I think we have one kid that's five or six, and then all the way up to like 16, 17. Awesome there's.
Speaker 3There's a range is an intimidation factor when you hear the word crossfit, though for sure I was telling my wife about you and showed some videos on. My daughter was there, who's seven, and she saw the video and she's like I want to do that.
Speaker 3So we just did like a sets of 10 body weight, one in our garage or whatever, and she was just loving it oh, I love that, but yeah, it was kind of actually motivating for her, because to see you out there crushing it, she's like, oh, I want to do that too, and it's really cool I've had a lot of people lately be like, yeah, you're inspiring my little daughter, my son or whatever, and yeah, I think it's so cool it's super motivating to obviously To grow up being strong, you know?
Speaker 4Yeah, because I grew up, I mean, I grew up playing all the sports but I had an eating disorder as well and, like that, crossfit changed my life, right? Actually, my brother Drew, you guys know Drew, but he's the one who got me into fitness and pretty much saved my life.
Speaker 1Freak of nature, that guy, guy, he looks like he's into fitness yeah, he knows what he's doing drew, if you're listening to this, you're a freak you're a freak yeah it's frustrating when a guy like doesn't work out that as much like if he goes to like. Everyone goes to ups and downs and they're in their fitness and they sometimes work out more than others and he can like, it doesn't matter for him, he works out, it doesn't work out, he just comes.
Speaker 1They'll crush it yep my favorite story with drew is he is uh, has some sort of like in. I think it's life insurance, where the more fits you are, the cheaper it is. Yeah, and uh, yeah, yes so he so, but then they paid for his apple watch I was gonna say don't they know?
Speaker 4yes, from the apple.
Speaker 1So like he like gives them access to, like his data, basically, so they send somebody because they don't believe it?
Speaker 4no, yes, so they actually.
Speaker 1I didn't hear this they actually sent somebody to come do a workout with them because they were like this can't be right. This guy's like this can't be true. And so they sent the guy and I guess he just crushed this dude, uh, in the workout, and then the guy laughed.
Speaker 3He's like, okay, this is true like an auditor that comes out it was a legit, like they sent someone to check to see.
Speaker 1It's like yeah, I guess like an insurance fraud amazing yeah they thought basically he's like doing insurance fraud because of how fit he was. And so they came and they basically did a test or did a workout with him and they left think being like, yeah, this is true, he's he, he is this could they not just walk in, look at him and be like, oh sorry guys, and just walk away?
Speaker 1I don't know, I don't know but because I don't know what the data they see on the phone, whether it's like how many workouts per day or like his resting heart rate. I'm not sure what it is that the measures they're taking, but it's something. And then because of that his insurance is cheaper or whatever. So I love that.
Speaker 2I love that that is going up to the gym being like all right, let's do this.
Speaker 1You would hope they would send like some sort of just beast or like a David Goggins yeah, and all of a sudden they're just like fighting each other. Going for this run. No one's quitting. That'd be good.
Speaker 2They just have the guy who, like, steps out of the closet. Like all right, send them.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1We need the auditor.
Speaker 4Yeah, heard that story that's so good.
Speaker 3I don't know, it was like a couple years ago. He told me that. So when you started going, you said you had some dietary issues.
Speaker 4Did that change because of crossfit? Just because of the nutrition you need to have it changed. Um, after drew showed me fitness for the most part, yeah, yeah, like obviously it was hard to get out of that for a while and like the thoughts were still in my head for years after.
Speaker 1But yeah, crossfit is where it was more like okay, I want to be strong, so I know I'm gonna need food, right, so yeah, was it like a mindset thing, like, uh, you viewed yourself, uh, that you needed to be a certain way and in order to get that way, it was like not eating. Is that essentially it, or was it more of like just a mindset?
Speaker 4like having the eating. Yeah, yeah, during the, when you were struggling with eating stuff it was more of me growing up and not so like my family. A lot of the women had eating disorders and just things that were said to me, like I was a little bit bigger, so just things that were said to me. So finally I was like, okay, I want to look a certain way and.
Speaker 4I want to lose some weight, so I just started doing it, even though I told myself I was like I'll never do that. And then yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1Are you a big reader? Do you like reading books?
Speaker 4A little bit.
Speaker 1I'm just a slow reader or like audio books. Have you ever? Yeah, there's this really good book. It's called Self Talk, or how to Talk to Yourself. It's called self talk, or like how to talk to yourself, and it's all about like like positive self talk and affirmation stuff which, like, I think honestly, before I read it, I know that there's something to it, but it's kind of feels, I don't know, a bit like woohoo ish yeah, the woohoo, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1But like it is a very, very interesting book and, especially as a parent, the things that you say that maybe don't seem like a big deal to you, that you can imprint in your kids' brains about how they think about themselves or how they feel about themselves, and it's just like you just start really, like it convicts you and like, oh my, I need to be careful, or with what I say, I just need to be very deliberate and intentional. But we're not cause, we're humans and we say stupid things sometimes.
Speaker 4Yeah, even when we're joking and that's no I.
Speaker 4I agree with all of that because I got an mindset coach and his whole thing is what we're telling ourselves. And so over time, what he had me do was catch my thoughts. And so I was catching my thoughts, catching my thoughts, and I would write them down. And at first it was kind of just like whatever, I'm thirsty or I want to go to the gym or I want to whatever. It was just like kind of surface level stuff. But over time it was things that I was saying to myself and it was I'm pretty.
Speaker 4At this point I was like I'm pretty happy, go lucky, like pretty positive, always dancing around, whatever I was telling myself some really really horrible things. It was crazy and it was almost embarrassing writing them because he still wanted me to write them and send them to him and I was like I have no idea where this is coming from and he's just like you're just getting deeper into the subconscious and those are the things you're telling yourself. So we, we worked through it and obviously he has different tools on helping myself, you know, be more positive. And and then I kind of thought sometimes I'll say stuff to Jake, just joking around, like we'll call each other like little names or whatever, and then I'm like I think even stuff like that could get into the subconscious, cause, like your subconscious doesn't know that I'm kidding.
Speaker 2You know what I mean so even stuff like that.
Speaker 4So I kind of just stopped saying like it wasn't that bad, but I'm still like I don't want your. I mean it does sound woo, woo.
Speaker 1For sure Like.
Speaker 4I don't want your subconscious to think that I'm calling you a name or whatever it is. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1Yeah, cause you don't know how they're internalizing it Like are they brushing it off Like I know she's joking, or did they internalize that and they?
Speaker 3didn't even know it.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's interesting stuff. Yeah, that's super interesting.
Speaker 2Did you find, like when you started catching those thoughts, that it was like the, the really cause, the really like shitty things. Maybe that you said to yourself did you just not notice them before, because they just kind of were just like subsurface kind of they pray like in and out transient type thoughts and you, until you started being mindful about them, you didn't notice them?
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean I it was stuff about the past. So it's stuff that I felt about myself, about the past and I thought that I kind of like had been putting in the work you know to try to like put that stuff aside and you know, forgive myself and stuff like that, but I think it was just still deep in there that it was starting to come up. I don't know, maybe I haven't like gotten.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's interesting though, cause it's like do you meditate?
Speaker 4Oh, I, I've tried, but I'm just more yeah, I gotta always be dancing. But I see meditation in a different way, where if I'm running then that's my meditation it's not just the sitting here and oh for sure right just being quiet and
Speaker 3yeah, with the self-talk though. So you was the purpose of the writing that down to send it to him or to go back and reflect and look at that and look at what you were telling yourself three months from the when you wrote it down. No, cause.
Speaker 4I didn't well, I didn't really look at it. It was just teaching me to be more mindful and be present with what was going on in my head, because then we brought it into sport, into CrossFit eventually, right, where we want to be present in like, for an example, at semifinals. The first workout that I did that was the first time I felt so cool, calm and collected that I was able to have a full conversation with myself for the whole 30 minute workout or 25 minute workout, in the sense of me being like okay, we've got so-and-so here, so-and-so here. Okay, we're just going to like having a full conversation, being so present. Okay, you're going to do this, you're going to do that.
Speaker 4Okay, these stairs are going to be hard, but we're just going to like get through them, blah, blah, blah, like a whole conversation the whole time. And it felt so cool and I was like that is what I've been like reaching for, that's what he's been trying to teach me, but it's just been such a long road of trying to get there. I mean, I felt it here and there in training, but nothing like a full workout, cause last or most of the time I'm just blacking out in the workout.
Speaker 4I think it helps to have strategies too Cause me and my coach had been working on um having more strategies in the the workouts, because usually I just get into a workout three, two, one, go blackout do whatever happens and try to hold on.
Speaker 2But that's super interesting though, because, like I, go through periods of meditating a lot and like I'm not good at it. Well, maybe I say I'm good at it, maybe um that's best. I'm terrible but like because you're working on it the whole thing right is like catching like what you're thinking about and like like finding it, labeling your thought, identifying your thought, and like letting it kind of like the equanimity right of letting it like go through you. Which is I find that really?
Speaker 2because it sounds to me basically like you're meditating while you're just moving yeah right because that's, that's uh, and it's funny because we do that thing, like you know, like I do it all the time, I'm sure we all do right. Like I do something, I'm like, oh you fucking idiot yeah I'm like, oh, I probably shouldn't talk to myself that's the thing.
Speaker 4Our subconscious doesn't know if you're actually saying that you're an idiot or but for you you're. You know that you're just saying it to be like, ah, so dumb.
Mindset and Confidence in Training
Speaker 3But no, we're not do you still get those if you're doing a hard crossfit workout or something like that? Like halfway through do you get a little bit of negative self-talk starting to come in, or because I'll be honest I do. I'm pretty sure most people do. If they're having a hard workout, like, have those thoughts creep in a little bit.
Speaker 4I feel like I probably do for sure for confidence wise, but my confidence has gotten so much better over the past couple of years so I feel like it's just only going up. But I'm sure I do Cause it. I mean, even just being a CrossFit games athlete just saying that is just still doesn't make sense in my head. But I mean I did it and I am confident in my abilities. But a lot of the time cause confidence was the thing that lacked over these past few years. But yeah, it's just a work in progress, but I think the negativity is definitely less than it used to be for sure yeah, it's a huge game.
Speaker 1Uh, this, and obviously I'm not a crossfit athlete. I don't know if you know that I didn't know that.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'm not, I'm surprised.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know we had two shocking weird, weird, uh, but like, just simple, like running, which I've been running a lot more these last about a year and I I used to hate like 5k, used to be like I was fighting with myself in my head the whole time Like this is stupid, why am I doing this Like the whole time? And now it's, now it's gone, like I don't think, that's not that all anymore, even if it's hard.
Speaker 4It's like okay, one foot in front of the other, completely, because it is our mind that wants to quit first, right, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1Yeah, our coulee runs like the hills. I basically don't look up.
Speaker 4I know, I'm just like yeah, it's one foot.
Speaker 1We're going to get up there eventually. I'll glance up every once in a while, but there's no point, I'll just keep moving.
Speaker 4When do you guys run? I want to come on some cou morning I'm going for 11k 11 tomorrow morning like 5, 30, 5, 30 am monday
Speaker 2wow mornings and weekends.
Speaker 1Okay, weekends, yeah, we're gonna do uh one, we need to do like a three or four hour weekend run here yeah I'll join you for half an hour. We're not until you, uh, I know this is where, okay, I'll keep. I wasn't going to change the subject. We shouldn't.
Speaker 2Shouldn't yet, because there's still stuff here Not thrown in. Anyways, we can just do mindset all day, anyways, anyways.
Speaker 3Oh, now I like it. Mindset is a good topic. I really want to keep going on mindset, honestly, oh, totally.
Speaker 1Mindset book, because if you're into the mindset stuff, have you read anything?
Speaker 4Yeah, I was going to say, power of Now, have you guys read that one.
Speaker 2That's not Tony Robbins, is it? It's um, Is it Eckhart? Yeah, Eckhart Tolle. Oh okay, I have not read that one.
Speaker 4So when you were talking about meditation and he talks about kind of like enlightenment and how to get like super present and I've only been able to do this a couple of times, but it's pretty much so when you're meditating you're supposed to be present. Listen to like your mind is almost another thing. You to be present, listen to like your mind is almost another thing. You know what I mean and you can kind of have that conversation with yourself. I mean you might sound like a little I don't know crazy, but so he talks about sitting back, listening to what your thoughts are, what your mind is saying, and trying to not judge the thoughts and just pretty much say to yourself it's okay that we're having those thoughts Like cool, you think that that's cool, but I'm not going to judge you, you know, and I remember trying it because he says do that and you will feel just like a little taste of enlightenment. And I remember driving in my truck one time and I just thought, okay, let's just try this.
Speaker 2So I started doing probably not the best place to do it, cause all of a sudden I just go into a trance and crash or something.
Speaker 4But I was just sitting there and I was having some I don't even remember what I was thinking about, but it was probably something negative and then I just thought, okay, cool, I'm not judging you, you can whatever you can, say whatever you want, you know. And all of a sudden I don't know how to explain it, but I felt like my whole body was just light, Like it was just almost tingly, and I felt it was.
Speaker 3Was this in Panama climbing up a mountain? No, yeah, I was hallucinating.
Speaker 4No, but it was just a snippet of it and I was like whoa, that was the feeling of being super present and nothing was going on in my brain. There was nothing there and I just felt like something had just stopped for a second and my whole beat, like my body could just explode or something. I don't know. It was crazy, but it was just like very quick.
Speaker 2And then it was done like. I've experienced that like very, very momentarily, a couple times meditating. Yeah, it's like you finally get. It's like a quiet. For me it has to be like a quiet room or whatever, and you're just like yeah, and then it's like boom, yeah, for a while, for a while we were doing some breath work stuff and that's kind of like where I've had like similar things.
Speaker 3Breath work will do it like a wim hof, ish stuff we were doing some mornings which we had to start that again in a while. We had to get back in the uh, the thought, the tanks too, what it was, the sensory deprivation that was. I don't like those because they're like cold yeah, but they're room temperature, I know, but it's freezing the thing I like about them is my three kids aren't in the tank, yeah, so it's just nice yeah, that's nice do you?
Speaker 2um. So on the like talking to yourself during your workout um, because I do. We're talking about, like, running the hills. It's funny because you look down. I don't look like sometimes I look down, but I'm always just counting to myself which is super weird, yeah, I'm always like, I usually count to 10 and I just start again. I'm like I just make to the next 10, make to the next 10, make to the next 10 yeah what do you do?
Speaker 2uh, like when, when like shit gets real, like you get into a dark place, like things are getting, really things are getting really hard.
Speaker 4I just tell myself you can keep going, you can keep going, let's just keep doing it. Come on, we can do this Like I just keep pushing myself.
Speaker 2I guess in that way Do you ever chunk it up into, and this works really easily with running because there's like a physical yeah. You know, do you ever like, just like, like next line post or next like?
Speaker 4I say like, just like, like next line post or next, like I say so if it's like a 5k. I'll be like, okay, just one more k till 4k.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, just one more k till 3k yeah, it's like a countdown yeah, it's interesting because crossfit has such a varying, different like varying workouts, where it could be a longer one and then it'll be like three minute time cap yeah, and so, like those are obviously very different, because it's just like you have to go out hard as you can. Uh, so, though, it's probably be gotta be hard, because you have to have almost a different mindset for different things to somewhat right yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4Yeah, in that instance, you just have to. Well, this is where my mindset coach was trying to help me, in the sense of if you're on the cleans and you have burpees, next you have to be ready for those burpees, you know. So while you're doing, okay, I have five more of these. What are we going to do to get on the burpees, right on the burpees, or whatever? So that's where you have to be present and being like, okay, what's next? What's that next step? Right. So that's the hardest part of it and that's why it was so cool to be able to do that as semifinals. But I can't do it all the time, cause, again, I'm just a lot of the time I go in the gym and I just do my workout and I forget to do it and I'm like, oh yeah, I got to start working on this, right. So it happens sometime, or sometimes organically.
Speaker 1But yeah, I think it's probably easier in the moment of a competition, like as important as the semifinals, or when you're coming up to the games. Yeah, that it's just. This is the thing. This is what we were training for for the year.
Speaker 1So yeah I think it's probably different than just showing up, like putting in the time, just showing up at the gym, uh, be you know, it's interesting because, like the discipline of just showing up, I mean that's, that's step one just getting your butt to the gym, and sometimes you don't want to be there.
Speaker 4So those are the days where it's like, okay, let's just get this done. Completely Right, which is fine because in the end you're there. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1Like I go to the gym 530 at the nursing home and some mornings people show up there and they're just like why?
Speaker 4am I here? And you're like, yeah, but you're like, hey, you're here, you made it, you're here yeah. You don't have to have a crazy workout.
Speaker 1And like you're here and most people aren't, so you've already won that part of it right, uh, that's. It's interesting to kind of always keep that in mind when you're email. You showed up, you're good.
Speaker 4It helps too. So in Bali you could write on the floor with chalk. So I used to write stuff to me like you are strong, you can keep doing this, or whatever it was. I remember we had a 10 K row and. I wrote there was three of us doing it. So I wrote in between us like you're strong as fuck, keep going, whatever. I just wrote like five different things and whenever I wanted to quit I would just look down and I'm like, oh yeah, you're strong, you can keep going, yeah.
Speaker 4And even the guy beside me. He was like those really helped. That's awesome yeah.
Speaker 1So Awesome, yeah, but your new mantra, the one that's taken off and I see all over the place, is I am capable. Oh yeah, that was a good moment at the games when they interviewed you. Finally.
Speaker 4I cried Sure.
Crossfit Games Reflection and Aliens
Speaker 1But can I say something about this semifinals? I don't know how CrossFit works and I know you can't talk about CrossFit and I don't want you to, but like it's so frustrating you to, but like it's so frustrating, you were like the number one for most of the weekend and the amount of footage that they had of you was like zero. It was bullshit. It drove me insane. It's like we go into, they're going into the workout. It's like hattie's one, two, whatever I can't remember who two, three and four are and then they'll go to danny's legs 100 they're showing danny spiegel over here, who's okay.
Speaker 1She's got a huge following on instagram regardless, but, like it's, I was like losing my mind.
Speaker 4I wanted to throw things in my house I just gotta do half naked photos, I guess, and then maybe I'll get some.
Speaker 1And then it was like, because hey, you were number one going into the last workout and I don't think they showed you in the last workout. I mean, maybe what I know wasn't the best workout. It's fine, but in the end it's just, it's frustrating.
Speaker 4Don't remind me, no just kidding, I was checked out by then. I don't even know what happened, but to be fair, that workout was brutal.
Speaker 1The other day I was doing walking lunges in the gym with 50 pounds.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1And I was like the girls were doing 70 pounds and I was with my buddy and I'm like they were doing with 70 pounds for like how many meter? It was like 76 feet or something yeah, I don't know, yeah, 72 or something, yeah and I was like I don't even know, like I could hold them for a little bit, but I don't think I could keep my grip and that I got a costly.
Speaker 4No rep too, so that sucked but I should have got honestly. I should have probably got like top 10 because in practice I did that's. The lunges are hard for the grip but like ring muscle ups right should have done better, but I was told beforehand that I had clenched my spot uh and again that subconscious yeah, I'm pretty sure it was just like cool. Okay, we can chill now good to go right even though me I was like no, let's go right but even on the ring muscle ups.
Speaker 4I don't know why I came down at 11. I was like, oh yeah, drop the rings, take a break it's fine. Yeah, why I came down at 11 I was like, oh yeah, drop the rings, take a break, it's fine. Yeah, no. And then another piece of me was like no, get back up there, what are you doing?
Speaker 3so then, if you have a bad because I we were listening to a couple of your podcasts and one of them was about repeating workouts like failed workouts yeah, so if you had a bad workout like that, to defeat the self-talk and not in competition, but on another day. Would you repeat that workout and just try to get better numbers?
Speaker 4probably not. It's probably more about figuring out what went wrong and then just doing different things, like I think it was just a lot of grip and then obviously like the mindset part of things which I could work on. But yeah, as soon as I got back into training, my coach gave me a lot of grippy stuff.
Speaker 1So yeah, that's my gripe anyway. Crossfit Games, you sucked at the video on that. Semifinals, you should be focusing on the people who are one, two and three, four, just because you can't say their name. Right, yeah, I know right, caneo, yeah, caneo in Haiti.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah just I mean it was cool because savon do you guys listen to savon at all or do you know who that is? So he's pretty big in the crossfit community, but he was back there so he's making behind the scenes videos.
Speaker 1So okay those ones are going to be cool, but he was following me all all around and he was just like we need to get more athletes out there right and like they said, and they said some, like one of the ladies who was commentating says oh, I can't wait to learn more about a hattie or whatever, and so like they probably didn't have a ton of background on, you to know what to talk about, but that being said, I've been there three years.
Speaker 4I know it's like come on, come on. And then my other friend. I just went on a podcast with him the other day and he was like nobody knew. But I knew. And he's sitting there like nobody knew, Like yeah, but you knew, Scott, you knew.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean. But I bet you, everybody who had known somebody going to the games feels the same way.
Speaker 3To some degree they're like. I know that person.
Speaker 1I want to see more of them, and they obviously can't show everybody.
Speaker 4But when you're winning, that's a different thing. When you Get your shit together, they do the same thing in golf, okay.
Speaker 3Every sport.
Speaker 2Yeah the cameras fall around, like all the who watches golf.
Speaker 3Every sport has that, though right. Every sport does.
Speaker 2The cameras fall and you're just like, hey, here's the people doing the stuff, can we watch them yeah?
Speaker 4I get it, but wouldn't they have maybe a bigger following if they showed more athletes?
Speaker 3You know what I mean if they showed more athletes you know what I mean To draw more people in Because there's so many different personalities.
Speaker 4And so that would draw in different people.
Speaker 2I feel like Well and generally people like to watch people do good at stuff. Yes, Right, Like that is the whole draw. It's like I just want to see somebody be like really good at their thing.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2I want to watch the best golfer. I don't. I want to watch the best athlete, yeah.
Speaker 1Put it on the TV.
Speaker 4And there was some cool races. At the end, like I slid across, I don't even know if they got that, but it's like they got that.
Speaker 2Oh, they did.
Speaker 4Okay, and like a couple of us dove over on a different one and it's just like show that kind of stuff. Right when you said I am capable you raised your hand, the bracelets oh, that's cool yeah yeah, they asked her something like uh, I can't remember what did I learn about myself, or something? Yeah, yeah, and that's what you said.
Speaker 1She said I am capable. And then, uh, I see all these like uh people now posting their workouts and like struggling, but then I am capable on it. So that's super cool, that's awesome yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1Like I mean, that's what else can you ask for? I mean, obviously you're, you have your goals and aspirations for the sport and but in the end it's like you said, it's super cool that people are coming up to you saying, hey, you're inspiring my child to you know, be better, my daughter to you know, be strong. Like that's awesome.
Speaker 3I want my kid to start at CrossFit. My 14 year old daughter. It's the same way that he feels after he goes and yells at people about what's in their cart. Yeah.
Speaker 2Right, it's the same You're motivating people.
Speaker 3You're getting it done. Perfect Right, just a different format.
Speaker 2We have our own ways.
Speaker 1You know, yeah. We should get a video of you doing that. I don't want that.
Speaker 2Just one time.
Speaker 4Just one time, just to see if it works. Yeah, I'm guessing it's 50-50.
Speaker 1I feel like it's not going to be 50-50. I feel like it's more slanted like a 90-10. The one person out of 10 might be like yeah, you're right man.
Speaker 2So if we do it 10 times, though, and then we get one person, I think you could get one person.
Speaker 1I'd be that one person because I'm like I'm on my way to the cash out.
Speaker 4And then there's right there and I just, I'm just like throw that bag in the freezer, might as well throw it in the thing and you'd be the guy catching me at the at it with like why, why is that recent piece of things you're like?
Speaker 1you're right, dude, I don't need this or the lindor chocolates oh yes, those are the best now I want chocolate judging crazy yeah, have you what like?
Speaker 2uh, has it been tough to turn down the noise lately since a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of been crazy.
Speaker 4We're part. We're part of that problem. We are part of that. I apologize. Oh, this is cool.
Speaker 1We were like we shouldn't talk about. She's been on all these podcasts talking about the same thing. We need to try to uh we talked about fruit we're good fruit and carts. What's the chance on aliens? Yeah, that was the other question for sure aliens, okay, for sure.
Speaker 2Why do you say for sure, for sure, for sure, like have they?
Speaker 3Like have they visited us Like that kind of for sure?
Speaker 4Yeah they're probably living with us.
Speaker 3Oh wow, oh, you're one of those. I think they look like humans living with us.
Speaker 4I don't know about that, but I don't know. We can't be the only people or the only things in this universe, I would agree. Like do you guys think they're here?
Speaker 1I don't know we're split, he, he is so obsessed with these, like he wants it to be true more than anybody it is like have you seen anything?
Speaker 2I haven't, I want to, so badly my dad's seen a ufo.
Speaker 3Really, yeah, we better talk about this story, if that's all right.
Speaker 4This is well, it was when he was really young, and my mom always laughs when he says it, but but I'm just like no listen to the man.
Speaker 2What did he see?
Speaker 4He saw this hovering thing with like some lights and he says it was like saucery kind of looking, and then all of a sudden it was just gone.
Speaker 1How old?
Speaker 3I can't remember, at least in the teens. Yeah, I think Credibility there.
Speaker 1No, there's not there, you go.
Speaker 4There's not.
Speaker 3You're one step removed from somebody who's seen them.
Speaker 2And this is the problem. I try and be objective. I want it to be true so badly, but I really try not to like create something that's not like, that I don't actually see Right. So like because sometimes I'll just be driving home and I'll just be like I know I want to see it so bad too I think, they know that I'm looking too hard.
Speaker 4They're like not, she's not ready I'm not sold.
Speaker 1I 100 think that there's something in the universe other than us, for sure, but I don't I'm not sold that there's anything that's visited us or that's around checks on us have you listened to rogan and brian carson? No, maybe not checks on us, but not visited no, I just don't think so, because the technology would have to be so different than anything like, which I guess makes sense but you've seen transformers man I've seen the movie.
Speaker 1I don't think they exist yeah, I wish, I love optimus no, I have not listened to that one yet yeah, like like talking about, like the, the, uh anunnaki well, yeah, I've heard him talk about that all the time, but what?
Speaker 2oh man, I'm not gonna do this justice. Um, so I don't know what these are. I'm talking about so much shit, I don't know. There's like the scrolls of like, you know, the dead sea scrolls um the bhagavad gita, the couple other things.
Speaker 3That one, I don't know, just making up words now.
Speaker 1That one's not a made up word.
Speaker 4The chala chicha. Yeah, that one.
Speaker 2They talk about this race of people and it's talked about through, like various different texts, through various different cultures, a race of people that essentially seeded primates on earth and for the sole goal of harvesting gold, so that they could take that gold back. What? Yes, I know it sounds fucking insane.
Speaker 1But it makes that kind of makes sense to me, Because, again, like, if you're coming from a perspective of so like Christianity, from like creation, God created things, or you're coming from like because the argument from Christianity is like, well, that's easier to believe than a. We came from absolutely nothing with two atoms smashed together and all of a sudden there's this yeah like so yeah, that's difficult to believe too, for sure.
Speaker 1So then this is like the go-between, where it's like well, no, there's actually a primitive race of things that came to the earth and seeded life like they like, brought life with them, they put it on this earth and then we kind of went from there. It's uh. Prometheus is a good movie science fiction movie that's kind of about that.
Speaker 2As an avid Rogan listener, go listen to Brian Carson. It's like one of the last three or four. That was out. They do a much better job of explaining than I do. Yeah, I'll listen, but it's neat in the sense because, like, there's like a lot of compelling arguments for you know, are we, are there aliens? I don't know. Yes, no, right. What are the circumstances that led to us being here? And we're just so dumb, we, how do we know?
Speaker 1Like we're always like, ah, there's no way, and like our record of history sucks right, Like we go far enough back and everyone's just guessing at what they think happened back then exactly a hundred percent. Well, that's the yeah that who knows we should be. Should we be on mushrooms now?
Speaker 2uh, probably did you know that, did I think I told you this that the float tanks, if you are, you can have very similar experiences, yeah you can't yes I, I had a hallucination.
Speaker 3No, I'm just freezing. Yeah, me too, you're freezing no not right now, aren't they?
Speaker 2aren't they at like body temperature they're?
Speaker 3actually like a little bit warm, I feel.
Speaker 4They're not warm oh no, I think I'm always cold though. So yeah, or I am always cold so you feel nothing.
Speaker 1I felt nothing. Like that's the thing that was weird about it, like I also had some like a hallucinatory kind of situation when I was in there.
Speaker 3Really, I've had one with the meadow I think we've talked about the deer in the meadow before, where I transformed into a meadow. At the start. I was laying there and all of a sudden I closed my eyes and I did the clear thought thing Not to the extent you're talking about, though, but then I was literally in a meadow. There was a deer there, and then the deer ran away, and then I woke up, and it was an hour and a half later.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3And it felt like I did it for six months, like once every few weeks.
Speaker 4And always hallucinate.
Speaker 3No, no until that happened. Then I'm like that was awesome, I got to do it again and then I just never went again.
Speaker 2Yeah, sorry, you were the meadow or you were the deer.
Speaker 3No, I was standing in, like I was standing in the meadow and the deer was there.
Speaker 1He turned into the meadow, I think that's what he said and that was like that was years ago. Yeah, I, I didn't have that kind of craziness, but I definitely had this like weird, uh, distortion of space and time kind of thing happened, like where I just I just like where am I?
Speaker 1what's going on? Like what, what am I? Like just weirdness, and like the time thing was weird because they started. They started the, the float tank with like a bit of music playing and they faded away and then at the end it fades back in, just so you know you're done and when it started fading back in, I was like I don't know where I was.
Speaker 1And all of a sudden I was like what is that sound? Because I felt like I kind of either passed out or slightly sleeping, or I was kind of in and out. I don't know what I was going on. And then it took me a long time to figure out where I was and what that sound was.
Speaker 4And oh crap, yeah, I'm done okay was that the first time you did it? Yeah, that was the first time I did it and it was an hour and it seemed like it was like super quick have you I've never done a float tank I'm gonna have to, because is that at tranquility you guys go to?
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Speaker 3yeah, that was the one that happened. There was a float room in Calgary, so they have a whole room because I bang the sides a lot when I'm in the float thing. I move too much, what Uh-huh?
Speaker 1In the room.
Speaker 3it's about a room this size and it's an entire float room.
Speaker 1Seriously, yeah, I didn't know that they have a couple spots in Calgary where they have float rooms.
Speaker 3You're the one. What do you mean the room is? It's literally a room like this, like a 10 by 10 full of water. You step into an elevated thing and you step into the actual float room and you're just floating around this big old room. I fidget a lot.
Speaker 1No wonder you hallucinated something right, yeah, no, kidding, that's different that's why I keep on bumping into people in there.
Speaker 3It's yeah because that little pod is yeah, and I move a lot, so I tend to like float this way and I'll hit the side.
Speaker 4I gotta come back and yeah, this size, yeah, about 10 by 10.
Speaker 1I cheated and used the head pillow thing because there's, there's a, they have a little head pillow you can put if you're not comfortable well, because you shouldn't use anything, because you should you should just float, like your head would float. But people I was kind of like, ah, ah, is my head going to float. So if you're thinking about it, I said better just to use the head pillow and not think about it Got a heavy head or what I don't know, I feel like I was going to drown.
Speaker 3I don't know, is that place still open? I want to go do it again.
Speaker 1Tranquility. I'm just going for my float. I go every couple weeks.
Speaker 3Nice, really yeah. So I think it's probably so, maybe more.
Speaker 1Somebody else at work had bought a float tank. Oh cool, yeah.
Speaker 4And then they I can't wait to buy that one. I want to get one.
Speaker 1I got the culture one. Oh yeah, that's what I want to get, and you have the little thing that makes it cold yeah, the chiller because you can put that into your tub.
Speaker 1You can, yeah, and you can get those cheap like $100, like new recover or whatever ones you can get we pronounce it wrong every time, so we had it for, like we all had one, and still do for about. Yeah, still do for about four months we were calling them newer covers and my wife was like, do you mean new recover? I'm like, oh, my god, that makes so much sense anyway. Uh, you can get chillers for those too.
Speaker 2So if you make a cheaper version, uh, you don't have to worry about the big yeah, because that's I have a nerd cover a nerd, I have a nerd cover um, and you can get a chill on amazon and then just run some piping to it for the chillers like 525 bucks on amazon oh, that's way better, because isn't it a couple thousand six?
Speaker 3what yeah, but you can make. But you can make it a hot tub too, six you can.
Speaker 1Yeah, I cranked up to 104 degrees for a while, but it literally lasted three days, two days, and I had to change the water because I could? I can go a month without changing the water because it just stays super clean yeah but with uh, with the heat, it just obviously everything grows right. So it was like two days and it was like okay I guess we don't want to get in this anymore.
Speaker 2We change it. So are you a big plunger?
Speaker 4yep, yeah in Bali, not here, because I don't really have my towel.
Speaker 1You guys should get a trough at the gym. Yeah, russ has two, but we just haven't put them out yet I feel like that'd be a good spot, except that a lot of the data says don't go after your workout.
Speaker 4No, In Bali I would usually wait like four hours or whatever and go do it or before.
Speaker 2Yeah, I would usually wait like four hours or whatever and go do it or before.
Speaker 1Yeah, I was doing it before for a while.
Speaker 4And that felt really good. Yeah, felt strong, felt fit Felt capable. Yeah, felt capable.
Speaker 1Fit. August 8th to 11th is Texas. Yeah, is it Fort Worth, fort Worth? Yeah, fort Worth, texas. How many people from here?
Speaker 4go on From the gym? Yeah, there is. I keep getting messages of people. I got games tickets.
Speaker 1I looked up some numbers of that and I just kind of make it work based on the time.
Speaker 3But they're really fun. A couple more from Lethbridge qualified as well To go down. No, no, oh, okay.
Speaker 4I think there's one other Canadian, it's Emily Rolfe, and then I think there's only one and a couple of guys like the same, like Fikowski and Delner.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's the guy with Adler, I think.
Speaker 1Right yeah, a bunch of the guys qualified, just like always. I think Fikowski's qualified like six or seven in a row.
Speaker 4Yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 1Yeah, that'll be interesting. Fort Worth is the first time they've had it down there, I think it's gonna be hot.
Speaker 4It's gonna be crazy hot. I hope they still have a couple outdoor events though uh swimming, how is your swimming? It's okay yeah, because it's good, but I just need to build it up there's usually one fairly decent swimming event. Yeah, last year they didn't have any but um, I think they probably will do it this year yeah you gotta have swimming is fort worth, like on the ocean.
Speaker 1I don't know no, it's no okay, at least you're not gonna have an open water ocean.
Speaker 4Swim then no, and there's a newly renovated pool that's close by, so everyone's thinking that it's gonna be there how far out do you get to know what you're doing? I think sometimes they come out with a couple events, but not all of them. Usually you find out most of them when you're there. That's fun, yeah the unknown.
Speaker 1Yeah, but you, I like them. Usually you find out most of them when you're there, that's fun, yeah.
Speaker 4The unknown yeah, I like that more, do you yeah?
Speaker 1Rather than stressing about the prepping for like oh I know what this workout is and have to stress about it.
Speaker 4I don't really do the workouts either. For semifinals I think I did two of them the way that it's written and then my coach just did kind of stuff for the other ones.
Speaker 1And ross, is your coach or no? His name's tristan patrick.
Speaker 4He's from houston, nice, yeah, that's good, so I'm going there two weeks before oh nice, yeah, I'm gonna get a climb acclimatized and it's so gross there, yeah, because it's so humid.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's so humid there you were training in texas for a while, weren't you?
Speaker 4yeah, last year yeah so you're going to houston or you're going to fort worth I'm going to hou Houston for two weeks and then we drive to Fort Worth for the games. That'll be nice, yeah.
Speaker 2What's the because? I've seen, you've been saw, I saw I have seen.
Speaker 4I have seen, there you go I have seen.
Speaker 3Or I saw you.
Speaker 1For someone to use the word equitating.
Speaker 3Equanimity, equanimity, equanimity unanimity.
Speaker 2I have seen that you are doing some fundraising. What's that like? Having to be, uh like, fundraise your way as an athlete.
Speaker 4It's kind of stressful just because.
Speaker 2I don't like asking for money, but um yeah, I don't know but it's, it's a big deal and I like right, like it's something I'm.
Speaker 4I don't think you should be feel bad about asking for money but it's like a big thing, right, yeah, recently got a manager, though, so he's trying to help me get sponsors, just so I can yeah, not have to ask for money.
Speaker 2Yeah, cheer, is that pretty common among athletes, though? Like everybody? Because obviously, yeah, obviously. There's the athletes who are like, yeah, sponsor tia toomey doesn't really need to worry about that.
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Speaker 1No, yeah, no, she does not. She is such a freak of nature.
Speaker 4She's crazy man. I don't know Like watching her come back.
Speaker 1I know you didn't watch this, but watching the, I watched the finals, the Eastern finals.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1Like she, just like there's nobody even close.
Speaker 4Even in Rogue she killed it.
Speaker 1Yeah, a baby. Yeah, she took the year off last year.
Speaker 4Uh, I don't. Yeah, it'd be interesting. She's, she's a freak of nature. She's insane. So I can't believe I'll be competing against her.
Speaker 1That's gonna be awesome, that's awesome uh, other than like, obviously, top athletes, like like her, who have been like one, she's won six times. Uh, everyone else's is fundraising. I saw, I jumped in probably not.
Speaker 4Maybe more of the wow, no, like the more of the top athletes, no, cause they all have big sponsors. But yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2Yeah, we'll see what he can find me. What's it like having a manager? Cause it sounds surreal to say I mean I just hired him and he's been amazing ever since. So football player yeah.
Speaker 4So he was just like as soon as I told him I was going to work with him, he's like okay, I booked my flight to the west and because he had no other athletes over there, but he just came there for me oh, awesome he stayed with us at our airbnb and he was just amazing through and through, so he's really cool it's pretty chill because, like uh, our other experience with so our other friend, shannon clark, is uh has, clark has a UFC contenders fight coming up and their experience with managers is a lot different.
Speaker 1Oh, really that's a different world, like in the MMA manager side there's a bunch of weirdos and just guys who are trying to get money from people, and it's not a very good game.
Speaker 3The grift.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's probably more money in that area, which is why there's probably more people't know, just a lot of our maybe it's the grift is going to happen anyways, though, like if it hasn't happened to you, I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen to you before you go right like somebody just trying to latch themselves onto hattie for the sake of just you know their own success, right, um? Has your manager talked about that at all? Nope no, I wonder because. But in the mma world? Oh my god, it's dirty yeah right like it's just.
Speaker 1I never even thought of that she's had some pretty crappy luck with a couple people they had hired who said they're gonna do hold all these things for her and they never did anything other than probably took some money. Yeah, I don't know about that, but yeah, neither it's it's.
Speaker 2It's hard to perhaps, you know, see people's intentions right. It appears to be uh genuine in that, oh, they want to help me or they want to, they provide the service of this thing that can benefit my goals, and then, you know, I guess it'd be really shitty to find out after the fact.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Oh, I was wrong. Yeah, it's like shoot. So for people that want to support you because I know you have to like big day tomorrow, can't stay here all night when can people find you? Support you, do all those things.
Speaker 4I find you support. You do all those things. Um, I'm going to start a gofundme it's not out yet, though, um, and then I'm going to be doing shirts, but that's only going to be like next week, because I have to get it the orders in um, because I'll have to mail them all out myself. So that's going to be that's going to be good yeah, and I'm mailing out all these bracelets oh well, I just decided to do the bracelet thing, and then it just took off.
Speaker 4There's so many, I have so many bracelets to make, so if you guys want to do some bracelet making you can come on over, yeah, um these fingers are not good at small little yeah um, but yeah, they could just message me and I can give them a e-transfer, I guess, or the gofundme okay what's your instagrams? Uh, my instagram is at hattie canyo pretty simple.
Speaker 1I noticed you had, can you? I noticed you have no x account twitter?
Speaker 4no, I do not. I've never had twitter.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's a healthy thing well, I'm just saying that's my like. My realm I'm supposed to be taking care of is our the twitter rx twitter account and I tried to find.
Speaker 4You could not nope, maybe I got it a long time ago, but I don't know. I can't do too many things that's too much.
Speaker 3There's too, much, especially tiktok. Yeah, what are you doing? What's your tiktok? Yeah, I don't got. Does the manager take care of some of that? Now that that's in there, is he going to handle the social media side of things?
Speaker 4I think he'll no, but I think he'll help me try to, yeah, get more followers and stuff.
Speaker 1But honestly, I don't really care. Yeah, has that increased?
Speaker 4since it has increased and then I had someone reach out to help me do it. I just don't know if I want to do that yet because, I just don't really care.
Speaker 4I know that it helps the sponsors, but I just want genuine followers and I'm not really out there to just like pump my social media just so I can get followers. So, yeah, I just like making the posts. When I want to make make a post, right, I'm not gonna go make 10 just so I can get 18 more followers which I think is it's a.
Speaker 2I think that's a really good approach because like at least for me, right, uh, like genuinity I'm just, I'm just trying to do words.
Speaker 3You knocked it out of the park with authenticity equanimity.
Speaker 2No, you got it there um authenticity is so obvious, right and like, because you can tell the fitness influencers. I hate that word so much I know the influence.
Speaker 2But you can tell right, like people that are just like they're there for the sole purpose of being there to get more people to follow them, right, it's like I think the authenticity shines through pretty quickly on people and you're like, yeah, I, because because people want to follow, people are just who they are right, whether it's in like fitness or podcasting or whatever and I can see how that can change when you start getting, I mean, the spotlight on you, cause I've felt a little bit of that pressure, but I'm like, no, stick to your guns and do what you want to do, and I don't know, I just it's not what I want, so yeah, Then don't do it Right, like that's the thing, like I think that's the probably the key is.
Speaker 4I mean, I even had someone yesterday be like no, have someone do your, your instagram, then if you don't want to grow it yourself, then you should have someone do it like but then it's not you.
Speaker 1I don't want to, though you know. Yeah, then it isn't you, so it's like that you don't have.
Speaker 2It's weird because you're not choosing the things that are going out, right, yeah, yeah and I think if you put all the mental effort you could put into that, if it just keeps getting redirected into the, the thing that is your priority it's not gonna matter, right, it's truly not gonna matter. I don't know. Maybe I don't know shit about what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4I mean you do see it in some of the. I mean they're athletes, but the influencers too. It's like some of them didn't even make the games this year and it's just like okay, are you focusing too much on that?
Speaker 2I mean, and then who knows? But right, you know what I mean and I play that out season after season. Right, like, at some point, the performers are going to be the people that are getting the spotlight regardless.
Speaker 3Right. Cause if you're too busy taking pictures of yourself and versus training, yeah, so it's not a necessity, and I'm not too familiar with the CrossFit world. It's not a necessity to have in the CrossFit world? Is that social media aspect to an athlete? I mean like a necessity, like it would be with other sports.
Speaker 1That are more social. In the end, performance is going to be king Performance is king, but you're going to have those, those people, guys and girls, who have a lot more eyes on them because of the social media.
Speaker 4Danny Spiegel is like I was just going to say it's a necessity if you want more money, I guess yes, right.
Speaker 1So yeah, depends on what you, I guess what you're prioritizing.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I still yeah, authenticity will reign supreme, yeah.
Speaker 4I think will reign supreme. Yeah, I think in that and money comes and goes and I'm just like yeah, more money would be great so then we can build our cult.
Speaker 2But yeah, yeah, I just, and I'm glad your priorities are still, we're doing the cult this is why we had you on here.
Speaker 1We knew you'd fit in, we knew we could find another cult member, just go.
Speaker 3And it's another person to buy the lottery ticket too, right, so we just got to get the odds better and better.
Speaker 1That 60 million dollar cult compound we can probably do it for like 30 or 40 and save some of it concrete prices nowadays.
Speaker 3Are you sure that's true?
Speaker 2if you'd like to join our cult, follow Hattie Canyon on Instagram and at Adversperior. We will be accepting applications very soon, do it?
Speaker 1we're also on the Twitter at Adversperior if you're cool At Average. Superior, if you like Twitter.
Speaker 3I don't know. Are we on TikTok? Do you want to be on TikTok? I will start, you don't?
Speaker 1Well, that was supposed to be his job.
Speaker 4You could do videos of the chicken shooing and the flapping.
Speaker 2I'm glad you guys didn't take a video of that.
Speaker 4People would love the chicken chewing.
Speaker 1Let's go recreate, that yeah.
Speaker 3That's not authentic. We can't do that. That's true.
Speaker 1Anyway, we super appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 4Yeah, thanks guys, I had a lot of fun. Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2We'll do it again yeah. Yeah, go for a run.
Speaker 1Talk about the games experience, let's definitely do a run.
Speaker 3We can do a remote one in Bali too, once we'll head over there and just visit Bali.
Speaker 4Is it Bali or Bali? I've heard Bali, but I think it's Bali.
Speaker 3It's near the Panama Canal.
Speaker 4Zevia.
Speaker 3Zevia.
Speaker 2By the canal, by the canal, the canal.
Speaker 1Yeah, let's do. There's a nice loop that we have. It's like the south loop, it's like 8K, 9k, it's a lot of hills.
Speaker 4It sucks 99k.
Speaker 1It's a lot of hills, it sucks, it's nice yeah, it's a good suck, yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2Are you gonna dust me? I know, probably not. Have you seen, I am not anatomically designed, I'll say I go around and they're very supportive.
Speaker 1They actually they kind of we're not trying to. They're actually really we're not trying to win. Okay, yeah, okay. Well, at least we'd say that now yeah, until you get there.
Speaker 4Yeah, then it's on. Yeah, all right, thanks for listening. Thanks, guys, okay thanks, bye.
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