#47: Take Control with Mat C: Jiujitsu, ADCC & CJI, Celebrities, Quick Fixes, Comfort & Growth, Take Control

In this Episode we're joined by the one and only Mat C. Recently a purple belt we talk a lot of BJJ and the upcoming ADCC & CJI in Las Vegas. 

We then roll into a good chat about personal mastery and taking control of every aspect of your life. 

OUTLINE:

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00:00:05 - Energy Drinks
00:12:03 - Sports and Gambling
00:19:44 - ADCC & CJI 
00:28:45 - Las Vegas and BJJ
00:35:45 - BJJ Achievements 
00:46:02 - Celebrity Encounters 
00:50:36 - Tv Shows and History
01:03:05 - Medications and Risk 
01:10:13 - The Quick Fix Mentality 
01:14:24 - The Challenges of Comfort and Growth 
01:23:59 - Social Pressure and Personal Priorities 
01:32:43 - Take Control  
01:37:53 - Personal Control and Self Mastery 
01:42:38 - Cold Plunge - Benefits & Challenges 
01:54:18 - TRT and Hormone Replacement Therapy 

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:05

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Speaker 2 0:22

As Hemingway said, there is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man. Who nobility is being superior to your former self.

Speaker 1 0:30

Enjoy the episode as much as we enjoyed recording it Context Ever.

Speaker 3 0:38

King, you look beautiful. The hair is on point.

Speaker 1 0:53

It's always on point these days. I feel like that's a new thing for you. I feel like let's go back five years and I never really thought of CJ and his hair, but now it's like, it's like a thing, it's like everyone knows that you have nice hair.

Speaker 2 1:08

I would have never, literally never, guessed that. Yeah, I would have never said that about myself. I, admittedly, have been trying to dress a little bit better. Well, it shows, it shows.

Speaker 4 1:18

Why Look good, feel good Because look good, feel good.

Speaker 2 1:21

Ball of life.

Speaker 3 1:23

But built for comfort though I, because look good, feel good, ball of life, but built for comfort, though I'm built for speed.

Speaker 2 1:27

Is this going to be you the whole time? You're not.

Speaker 1 1:28

I don't know if that's true, you're not Welcome to episode 47 of whatever this podcast is called. I don't know.

Speaker 5 1:37

Did you guys change?

Speaker 3 1:37

the name again.

Speaker 2 1:38

No, yeah, what do we call you?

Speaker 3 1:42

Yeah, matt, why not?

Speaker 4 1:45

I don't care, I don't know, I would like it if somebody else also went by their first name.

Speaker 3 1:51

Middle name. Yeah, what is?

Speaker 4 1:55

it. Oh, if you don't want to share, it's fine.

Speaker 1 1:57

Clement Clementine.

Speaker 4 1:59

Oh.

Speaker 1 1:59

Or Clement Clement. Is that legit your middle name?

Speaker 3 2:04

I don't care.

Speaker 4 2:05

Matt it is, clement it is.

Speaker 2 2:09

These are delicious.

Speaker 1 2:10

Right, yeah, thank you. So what do we got today? We got Prime Ice Pops, energy drinks.

Speaker 2 2:17

Can I do this like an ad, Like hey?

Speaker 4 2:20

Shout out to Prime Logan Paul's watching this. Is that who?

Speaker 2 2:22

supports Prime, is it, jake? I can't stand either one of those it shout out to Prime. Logan Paul's watching this. He's getting it. Is that who supports Prime, is it?

Speaker 3 2:25

Logan Paul.

Speaker 1 2:25

Oh is it Jake.

Speaker 3 2:26

I can't stand either one of these. It's one of the Pauls, but I believe they own Prime.

Speaker 1 2:29

Yeah, they own it, I believe. So. Another YouTube guy, yeah. We have to throw them out.

Speaker 4 2:33

Now there's three of them that own it. I just don't know who the three are. I was just I want to.

Speaker 2 2:41

We had such difficulties last time with the video because the video is a new thing. I just want to make sure it's not fucking up.

Speaker 4 2:47

So it is Logan Paul and KSI. Okay, what is it?

Speaker 5 2:49

What is it worth Another?

Speaker 1 2:51

YouTuber.

Speaker 4 2:52

Isn't KSI.

Speaker 1 2:53

Canadian, I think, I don't know. He's a rapper, isn't he?

Speaker 4 2:55

No, I thought KSI was a YouTube celebrity that he boxed.

Speaker 1 2:59

I don't know.

Speaker 4 3:00

Okay, let's guess the net worth A billion.

Speaker 3 3:04

Of KSI.

Speaker 1 3:05

No Prime, like what is Prime worth?

Speaker 3 3:06

Well, I know they took a big dive right Because something happened with the NHL. They lost their contract with the NHL when it went to body armor, so they probably took a big cut.

Speaker 1 3:13

I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 3:14

Yeah, they were Prime last year and then body armor now.

Speaker 1 3:17

UFC still is Prime.

Speaker 4 3:20

And all of the gamer. Children love Prime. It's a lot.

Speaker 1 3:25

It's got to be over billions. Yeah, we're licking it.

Speaker 2 3:30

You talk into it like you don't talk into any other mic in the history of mics.

Speaker 3 3:33

One day, we'll buy new mics. Who uses mic before me?

Speaker 1 3:37

Hattie Canyon.

Speaker 2 3:44

She's a CrossFit Games athlete all-star, so you might be getting some sort of You'll actually be fitter, you'll get more fit. She's amazing. Actually she is, she is amazing.

Speaker 1 3:48

What was the worth of that, by the way?

Speaker 4 3:49

$8 billion.

Speaker 1 3:51

Yeah, $8.4 billion.

Speaker 4 3:53

This is the weirdest thing Prime may be worth $3.1 billion to $8 billion, so I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 3:59

That's, it's a range but once you're in the billions. I feel, like it doesn't matter anymore. If you told me a million, I'd be like, okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 4:06

No billions. My child is obsessed with it for no reason.

Speaker 4 4:10

I hate it Like I don't know why.

Speaker 1 4:11

Like we just Like it's. Oh, and some of those primes are like $12.99 per bottle, like the Austin Matthews. There's these.

Speaker 5 4:21

No, you get nothing.

Speaker 1 4:21

You get literally nothing. The wrapper is a different color of the bottle. It's the same drink, but it's like a special edition, so there'll be some that are like $4.99 and some that are like $12.99 for this clear drink Insane.

Speaker 4 4:36

I didn't know any of it. My kid busted somebody at school because they drank it and then brought it the next day but filled it up with meal and water. And they drank it and then brought it the next day but filled it up with meal and water. And so he's like he's such a loser. He did that. I'm like why does that make him a loser?

Speaker 1 4:48

And then sold it. Yeah, probably that would be awesome. That would be awesome Entrepreneur. So your kid's a bully.

Speaker 4 4:54

No, the kids. The prime group caught them doing this.

Speaker 2 5:01

And they're like call them to buy them. Yeah, and I don't buy my.

Speaker 4 5:03

I've never bought my kid one. He gets them from another kid at school so he gets pushing them on him.

Speaker 2 5:07

So he gets them from his Prime dealer. These were not $12. What's he gripping a Prime for? No, but it's not the Because Prime energy drinks.

Speaker 1 5:17

These are different.

Speaker 4 5:18

Yeah, those are the energy.

Speaker 1 5:19

It's like Gatorade right, it's essentially Gatorade.

Speaker 3 5:21

You can get the cans or the bars? The cans are like the energy drinks the cans were on sale today, boys, you're not sleeping tonight.

Speaker 2 5:28

You're good, it's awesome. Go, I'm going to be up all night.

Speaker 1 5:30

Yeah, no, the other ones are just like Gatorade.

Speaker 5 5:33

Like an electrolyte drink. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 5:36

Those are the ones that are like $4.

Speaker 3 5:40

why it took off, but it did but still cheaper than a starbucks, though very true probably healthier, I guess, right what's the like point of no return first, like a starbucks coffee?

Speaker 1 5:50

what is the point where people like, yeah, I'm not paying that?

Speaker 4 5:52

I don't think it varies for everybody. No, no because some people it's like part of their identity just think of what your favorite starbucks drinks is, and how much would you pay for it I wouldn't, like I'm at the point where I don't really want to pay for it anymore, like anything Like six bucks, seven bucks.

Speaker 3 6:07

It's like a street zone. Some people do it every day. Yes, twice a day, yeah, every day, like that's $15 a day Insane.

Speaker 2 6:14

And 1500 calories.

Speaker 3 6:16

Yeah, unless it's like venti, no fat.

Speaker 2 6:28

Half soy fat, half soy. Lots of air pumped into it, extra hot, no sugar, vanilla um.

Speaker 4 6:29

But it's like well, how much would you pay for a beer?

Speaker 2 6:30

I don't, I don't know, but again, I'd pay ten dollars for a beer, yeah, but you'd also pay eighteen dollars for a beer if you're at the stadium. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, like no, no, nowhere else are you being.

Speaker 3 6:38

You're gonna pay that well at the stadium or at the arena, you're paying for an experience as well, when there's no experience at Starbucks.

Speaker 2 6:45

Sure, oh, there's an experience you get to see the entire spectrum. That's true.

Speaker 3 6:52

Yeah, yeah, let's just leave that.

Speaker 1 6:55

Okay, we were in Anaheim. I went to a concert and yeah, it was for we got two drinks. My wife and I got both got one. I think two drinks. My wife and I got both got one. I think it was 49 american or something, and that was the last time we had a drink the night that's part of it, though, but it is it, is it? Is it? No, I both. I didn't expect that.

Speaker 1 7:10

I kind of was like I don't know I don't know, 10 bucks, but yeah, it was way more than that and american.

Speaker 2 7:14

So but that's like disneyland. Everybody says disneyland is the greatest place, despite it costing like a large portion of your yearly income.

Speaker 3 7:21

It's a lot, yeah, and the amount of people that go and bring their kids and it's like fifteen thousand dollars for a vacation what are you doing days, yeah that's like.

Speaker 4 7:31

That's like all inclusives. It can't be funny. What are you doing? It can't be fun for the parent.

Speaker 1 7:35

It has to be like oh, it is, it is fun I've been, I've gone, once I went I went to the zoo with my kids last for 20 bucks a

Speaker 3 7:41

person I went to the zoo with my kids For 20 bucks a person.

Speaker 4 7:45

I went to the zoo with my kids last Friday and it was kind of stressful because they're just complaining about stuff and all that. But I went to Universal with another adult and that was it and I dropped $800 that day and it was worth every penny.

Speaker 3 7:57

Just roller coaster after roller coaster, yeah, fast, pass the whole way.

Speaker 4 8:00

Every penny it was worth. So I think just with kids it way. Every penny it was worth, so I think it just with kids. It adds this element of stress and management that you don't have right, but you're buying like you said.

Speaker 1 8:06

You're buying an experience and you're buying memories, but you're 100 and your kids will think always remember, hey, remember when dad took us to disneyland that's.

Speaker 4 8:13

Is that not worth something? And then we had craft dinner for the rest.

Speaker 3 8:16

Yeah, yeah, you're talking about 10 years later and you're still paying for the vacation, true?

Speaker 2 8:20

remember when we went to disneyland and then we were forced to move out of our house because the bank took it.

Speaker 1 8:26

I don't know.

Speaker 2 8:26

What a memory.

Speaker 1 8:27

It all comes back to that book I keep talking about, but the die with zero. You're right, some of your experiences, I think, matt, I think you do that very well, just based on how I know you go to. You guys go to a ton of concerts and go to a ton of things and I'm envious of that and your ability to just say no, screw it, I want to go see this band, so we're going, I don't care.

Speaker 3 8:47

But a lot is like. I think for some people you could read the book, but if you don't have an experience that where you change your mentality, right because a lot of people are like no, I gotta save, no, it's too much money, no, I gotta save, I can't spend that.

Speaker 3 9:00

But then when you have like you get hit by a bus tomorrow, right, or you could get cancer tomorrow and die in six months, yeah, so what good is it to have 50k in the bank but you didn't do anything? Completely there's no point in doing that.

Speaker 1 9:13

Well, so what for you is that? Is that always been part of your mentality? Or is there something that kind of switched in your brain at some point where you're like no, I'm doing this?

Speaker 3 9:21

it's been up and down, yeah, but but more recently, like um, my wife lost her mom, yeah, in 2016, and that was like what are we?

Speaker 3 9:33

doing. And I lost my brother in 2011 and then just went off the rails with spending at that time, right, but then it, you know, gets reeled back in. But then you actually realize and my kids are older, right, so my kids are 17 and almost 19. So when you have smaller children, you can't really just you know, hey, let's go see this concert next weekend. Right, you can't really do that. True, because you have to worry about child care and how they're getting to school and how they're getting to sports. But as your kids get older, it frees up opportunity. Right, and you have, and, believe it or not, life costs less money when your kids get old.

Speaker 2 10:04

Yeah, so there's nothing like hearing friends whose kids are old enough that they can live their life, while you're in the exact opposite situation you made your choice.

Speaker 3 10:14

You made your choice well, yeah I don't know yeah I and I think I've told you this before like it's not that I would want to go back to where you're at, but I miss that because, you get to the point where you're with your children all the time and you it's almost like you take it or you, you. You don't appreciate what you have. But then when you're my age and your kids don't want to hang out with you, it's like you. You get a little sad about it.

Speaker 5 10:41

Right so there.

Speaker 3 10:42

So there's like a middle ground there for sure, where you're spending every waking moment with your children because well if you don't, they'll die, but to the point where you want to hang out with them. But their lives are busy too.

Speaker 5 10:54

So like there's a fine balance there.

Speaker 3 10:56

You know, 12 is probably the fine balance.

Speaker 1 10:58

Yeah, man, that's hard. I think about that all the time too. Just like my daughter's got four more years of school and I'm just like it's four summers, like there's only four more summers where she and she you'd hope that they come back after that for summers. But you never know, they could just be like, oh, I'm moving to europe, yep, and you never know what's gonna happen. But yeah, it's weird. It's weird to think, and obviously you've already got one out of the house, probably, and yeah, it's. It's happened so quickly and I know from your perspective, cj, it's like, oh, it's just starting, but I feel like that was yesterday yes, I feel like that was literally yesterday and then today I'm yelling at my 14 year old who won't leave her room because she's like I don't know what she's doing in there.

Speaker 1 11:37

She's just like I'm like what are you doing? Like let's do something, get out of your bedroom. Like I don't even know your home anymore, it's just anyway.

Speaker 3 11:43

It's different it's actually my daughter's birthday today. No, awesome, happy birthday 17 crazy, crazy.

Speaker 2 11:49

Oh my god, she doesn't want to spend it with you well, we had a birth.

Speaker 3 11:52

We would went and celebrated birthday on saturday and then took her to a movie yesterday for father's day she was actually born on father's day.

Speaker 5 11:59

How's that for a gift?

Speaker 1 12:00

that's awesome yeah, that's a hell of a gift.

Casual Conversation on Sports and Gambling

Speaker 3 12:02

Yeah, that's a hell of a gift.

Speaker 1 12:03

I actually had to double check because I was like wait a minute, isn't there Oilers game tonight? How is he coming to?

Speaker 5 12:09

a podcast tonight.

Speaker 3 12:10

That's funny. You say that. When's this airing? Probably tomorrow. I can probably get it up Wednesday. Wednesday, it might be an annual leave day tomorrow, because I'm on afternoon. So yeah, I um huge fan.

Speaker 1 12:32

So yeah, huge fan, huge. Yeah. I have noticed the instagram being blown up with all the oiler stuff yeah that a1 victory was just ridiculous. I don't know what happened there.

Speaker 4 12:41

I don't know but hopefully they can. Florida, let them win, so they can win it. God, what's your thoughts on this? So I don't know what happened there.

Speaker 1 12:45

I don't know, but hopefully they can just carry on Florida, let them win, so they can win it. God, what's?

Speaker 5 12:48

your thoughts on this I don't know they wouldn't do that At this level of sport. No, no, there's no way.

Speaker 1 12:50

That's what you say Never, but then there's been all these weird things coming out about like a lot of these things are being fixed.

Speaker 4 12:58

The remember what other sport they're talking about, because they want that home victory Like the NHL would.

Speaker 1 13:03

Not even that, just extending it, because they know what the money it brings in. So, like from a economic standpoint, it's better that this goes to game seven for both Florida, like for both cities and for the NHL. So it's like okay if we can somehow make that happen.

Speaker 2 13:19

Big time. I bet you, they make a ton of money.

Speaker 3 13:21

If there is a game six in Edmonton they were talking about this on the radio today If there is a game six, tickets start at $1,700.

Speaker 5 13:30

And there's 18,500. And that is the lowest level ticket.

Speaker 4 13:34

Give me some math on that.

Speaker 3 13:35

What is that? That's the lowest level ticket.

Speaker 2 13:38

And it'll be full. Oh, it'll be 100% full as long as they do another 50-50 draw.

Speaker 4 13:42

Yeah, I could use another one that was insane 18 million dollars.

Speaker 5 13:46

I was nowhere even close.

Speaker 1 13:47

I thought I was gonna win. It was like 8 Were you close?

Speaker 4 13:50

No, oh, you're trying the secret thing, you're just gonna wish yourself.

Speaker 1 13:52

Yeah, I was trying to wish it into existence. Yeah, that's true, did you?

Speaker 4 13:55

check your ticket Because you could win like a.

Speaker 3 13:56

Ford Bronco.

Speaker 4 13:57

I checked every number 5 times right.

Speaker 2 13:59

Is there an? Do you just have to kind of visually see?

Speaker 4 14:02

Yeah, but it's all sequential, I think. I think right Okay.

Speaker 3 14:06

Yeah, if you buy for $25, you get 80 tickets. And it's just like the Hurricanes game. It's like whatever number to whatever number.

Speaker 1 14:12

But the amount you spend is the letter, so the A, that one. You had to buy the $100 pack.

Speaker 2 14:19

Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know and I was wondering about that, like how many of the winners are buying the $100 pack?

Speaker 1 14:23

Well, the last look, historically it hasn't been a ton of the hundreds, but this last draw, almost all of them were the hundreds.

Speaker 3 14:30

Because yeah, a's are the hundreds, I think.

Speaker 1 14:31

B's are the 50s.

Speaker 3 14:32

I didn't know that. I always get the 25. So it's always C and I was wondering why yeah, why I'm always getting these stupid C tickets right it's to do with how much you buy.

Speaker 1 14:41

at the same time, they have a promotion on right now.

Speaker 2 14:44

They did yesterday, I don't know if they do today, but if you buy the $100 for this next upcoming one because there's two more Right, if you buy the $100, you get $25 back in Boston Pizza gift card and $25 back to Play Alberta.

Speaker 4 14:53

That's been for weeks. Oh, has it the second?

Speaker 1 15:00

or third series has started that because pizza gift cards, oh fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 15:03

And Play Alberta, which I don't know what I'm going to do with that, but you have to use that within seven days of getting it the Play Alberta.

Speaker 3 15:07

Yeah, they get you hooked, you gamble, and then they're getting you to gamble more.

Speaker 4 15:11

Oh, I see.

Speaker 2 15:14

Which is a great business model. The first one's for free.

Speaker 3 15:18

Yeah, yeah, it's great. Other 50-50s. No, yeah, but they usually are like well, I haven't seen so in Calgary last year, I mean like other arenas and things like that.

Speaker 1 15:27

Well, last year they had Calgary but, they would do every game had one yeah. So it ended up being way, way less.

Speaker 3 15:33

Well, they were like Alberta is filled, you can only buy these in Alberta, right Like that's why I was so sure I was gonna win it's, it's insane. So if you look at the oilers 50, 50 specifically in alberta and I don't know what it is about the oilers one because the flames one never even touched the oilers, one because they so nor that, let's say northern alberta right for gambling.

Speaker 3 15:55

They showed the panthers 50, 50 and it was like 100k and every single one the oilers do is multi millions right, but part of that is because, yeah, part of that's because it's like a week long, yeah, but but even the ones like so Toronto yeah, jays do one too. Yeah, and they do theirs, for, like, I think it's a series or a week and it only gets like a million dollars really I don't know what it is with. Northern Alberta. We actually had a buddy who won, though the flames one.

Speaker 2 16:23

Yeah, I came to work. He's like I wouldn't have flames. Yeah, what the?

Speaker 3 16:26

fuck yeah, how much. His share was 145k what yeah? And he decided last minute he had no, he, he left the uh, the facility that we, yeah, are paid by, yeah, and we were like splitting it and and he was on his way home and he was the last one out the door. He's like I'm like, don't forget to get your 50, 50 tickets.

Speaker 3 16:46

He pulls over to have a smoke because he doesn't smoke in his vehicle halfway home it's like, well, I better get those tickets and this was like at 10 30 to do the draw at 11. Yeah, and he checks at midnight and he won that's amazing.

Speaker 2 16:56

how does that even happen? It's a dream, right like I just lay in bed and I think about, like oh, what if, like tonight, tonight, the eight million is mine? Like I got a good chance. Good chance, didn't have a good chance.

Speaker 3 17:05

No, and I spent it all, Like in my mind, I spent it all before I won it.

Speaker 1 17:08

Oh yeah, oh for sure, yeah, I do that way too often, though, just sit and think about it All the time. Right.

Speaker 5 17:15

I think everybody does.

Speaker 1 17:25

I think so of us want to be peasants anymore. I don't. But the funny thing is like, in the grand scheme of things, we're definitely not peasants. Oh, we for sure. We're just not.

Speaker 2 17:28

We're not we're just, we're just like slightly middle paid, middle class, middle class, middle class, because, like I, was listening to a guy on the on the modern wisdom podcast, yeah, and he was talking about, uh, being rich, basically, and he was talking about being at disneyland. Like he's so rich that he pays for the $1,000 an hour guided tour or whatever.

Speaker 5 17:49

Because he did a tour of. Disneyland, I don't know like with his kids.

Speaker 2 17:53

But he's like talking about walking past the people in the line at Disneyland with his head hung in shame, because he's like, fuck, I feel so bad. All these people in line and he seems like a decent dude. He people in line right like he, and he seems like a decent dude. He's like I get it like. This is just the world we live in, where money buys you opportunity, for sure, and he's like but god damn it, that lineup was long.

Speaker 2 18:11

Yeah, I just walk right and he's just walking right past and then they're like he's like, yeah, and like the, the attendants that are showing around disneyland, they like, they say like here's the hand signal if you want to go again what on the?

Speaker 3 18:21

right yeah, was it? Did you mention this like this express pass or speed pass?

Speaker 1 18:27

yeah, for a universal right. Yeah, it was a fast pass, but don't you?

Speaker 4 18:31

feel kind of like no, I just flexed when you walk by I I was with a speed battle all I had in my hand was I had my wall in my pocket and that was it in my phone and I. We walked around and just rolled like we were a thousandaires for the day. It was amazing, oh my god.

Speaker 3 18:47

I I felt no guilt it was kids that roll up in like 10 passenger vans and they get like one one sandwich for lunch and they're in the regular line and you just like see a kid I, I didn't look in their face so I don't know.

Speaker 1 18:57

I just the other way to do it is to go with somebody in a wheelchair. Oh, my god, check that Do you have to like walk 10 paces, no. So when I was younger, we went with Disney, dump them out.

Speaker 5 19:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 19:11

We went to Disneyland with my family and my grandpa came and he was in a wheelchair and we got onto every ride, like just walked onto every ride, because with the whole party it doesn't matter if there's one guy in a wheelchair with 10 people, all of you are getting through to the line and getting on the road. Back to his question. Did they test him? No, they didn't.

Speaker 3 19:28

Well he was an old dude. It was pretty obvious. It's just like when you roll into Costco or Walmart and anybody can grab the chair.

Speaker 2 19:34

Anybody can grab that thing Except there wasn't chairs five years ago and all of a sudden everybody needs a fucking mobility scooter.

Speaker 4 19:40

That's because we're on a slow decline.

Speaker 3 19:44

Going back to the Starbucks $8, 1500 calorie drinks.

Speaker 2 19:47

Have you seen the Instagram? I don't know if it's a page or just a post, like the knees of Disneyland.

Speaker 5 19:52

No.

Speaker 2 19:53

It's like all these people with fucking knee braces.

Speaker 1 19:55

Look this up. Is it like the people of Walmart?

Speaker 2 19:58

Kind of, but it's just like what's going on at Disneyland, that everybody's hurting their knees. It attracts those people. They're all just wearing knee braces. One, two knees.

Speaker 1 20:07

Well, it's probably more walking than most of them have done in a long time.

Speaker 3 20:09

Oh, you walk forever, and just so sweaty too, yeah.

Speaker 2 20:12

Most of them are probably like at zone four cardio, just walking around Like 20,000, 30,000 steps a day when we went a couple of years ago. It's their equivalent of an ultra marathon completely it probably is, though for steps just standing day in disneyland. That's probably a marathon yep, yeah, oh, I don't.

Speaker 3 20:29

I wouldn't get to go that far, like I'm sure they're not walking well when you go, when you guys go on vacation wherever you may go and you know you're staying in a place where you don't have a car. How many steps do you put on a day?

Speaker 2 20:40

well, none, because I don't go on vacation.

Speaker 1 20:43

So 15, from the hotel room to the pool and then the bar, another 10.

Speaker 4 20:48

I don't know that eight-hour day. We had an eight-hour day at the zoo there on Friday. It was 7K for my wife because she has a yeah, yeah so 7K. I mean, if you're in Disney, you're walking longer.

Speaker 3 21:00

I don, but we would do like 22 000 steps a day.

Speaker 2 21:02

Wow, on average, yeah I wonder you'd walk, so I don't know, strip like if you. Yeah, that's what that's.

Speaker 3 21:07

Oh, yeah, yeah because it's just easy to keep track of and you're walking everywhere I'm not surprised, because we went, uh, to that bachelor party there we.

Speaker 1 21:14

It was stupid. I was just like, why are we still walking?

Speaker 3 21:17

and everything looks close yes it does like. You're like oh, there's the mgm. And half an hour later you're still walking, mgm.

Speaker 1 21:27

Still, it's moving away. What? The hell is going on. Hey, can we talk about this?

Speaker 4 21:31

for a second Speaking of Vegas. Is it coming up? It's coming up.

Speaker 1 21:33

Speaking of Vegas, hey, you have you booked your flight yet I knew this was going to come up, if I say yes, will you leave me alone? But are you lying? You're lying to me?

Speaker 2 21:43

I would never lie to you.

Speaker 1 21:44

You are lying. Well, I didn't say yes. Can you please book your flight? Do you want me to do it right now? Yes, After we leave. I'd like you to do it tonight.

Speaker 4 21:51

The best time to plant a tree Is now, right now.

Speaker 1 21:55

I can give you the info, the flight that we're on. I give you what we were uh, easy and iron I've really fucked this up.

Speaker 2 22:04

It's never too late, right it's?

Speaker 3 22:06

but it's the destination we're going to. You can go now it's gonna be hard.

Speaker 2 22:09

Can I sleep in your bed? It's just me, yeah do you have two beds in that room?

Speaker 3 22:14

I could, I have a king right now. But could we switch, like no, what you don't want to say, like I get the cot and you get the king, could you say like, hey, can I get a bedroom with two queens?

Speaker 2 22:25

I'm sure I could, because I think the king's more anyway. Yeah.

Speaker 3 22:28

I'm not staying at like a good place, though.

Speaker 1 22:29

I don't give a fuck. Where are you staying?

Speaker 3 22:31

Marriott Points. Man, I'm staying at Excalibur, oh that.

Speaker 4 22:40

No, it's a bed. That's all you're using it for, really right I'm spending no time in my room.

Speaker 5 22:44

So this is why Excalibur is really decent.

Speaker 3 22:48

Not a great hotel, an average at best. It'd be like your Holiday Inn Express. That's basically what it is. But here's the perk so Vegas drinks, if you're going to indulge, is like what?

Speaker 3 23:00

$15 for a can of beer at the pool or like $45 for four in a bucket. But at Excalibur, every time we've been, buddy at the door doesn't care at all if you're bringing booze in at all. He's like some 22-year-old kid who's just trying to pick up chicks at the pool and I'm like he's like I don't care, just go in. So we would go up to our room fill up, like the travel mugs or whatever just fill them up and come back down fill them up, come back down.

Speaker 3 23:32

I'm a bargain vacation guy. Yeah, I'm in. If you're gonna let me sleep in your queen bed, well you won't be sleeping in my green.

Speaker 2 23:35

Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 23:35

But it's fine we can put like a pillow between us yeah, like, just like butts to nuts okay so uh, booking your trip I'm, I will book my trip soon.

Speaker 2 23:44

Okay, so Like I fucked this up, so bad.

Speaker 1 23:47

Stop saying soon, I'm sorry, do it tonight.

Speaker 2 23:49

This is a thing I'm not good at. I'm good at a few things. This is not one of them.

Speaker 1 23:53

I don't understand what's not to be good at. You literally just log into something, pay for it and be done.

Speaker 4 23:58

Should I just do it now for him?

Speaker 2 24:00

No, no because now I'm going to be flying by myself probably you won't be.

Speaker 1 24:03

I'm on WestJet. I think you'll probably get on the same flight.

Speaker 2 24:06

Have I paid you for my ticket yet? Yes, yeah, you did. Yeah, okay, yeah, everybody's squared up with that.

Speaker 3 24:11

What Are we doing?

Speaker 2 24:12

CGI yeah we should, I think we should, I don't care.

Speaker 3 24:24

Sure, I was thinking 100 tickets Because we can get lower top bowl. Yeah, I'm good with that. Sure, it's only money. But here's my dilemma. Here's my dilemma. So people are probably like what the hell are you guys talking about? Craig Jones?

Speaker 2 24:40

So, for context, cgi stands for Craig Jones Invitational and ADCC stands for the Abu Dhabi Combat Club. Combat Club.

Speaker 1 24:48

Both are jujitsu competitions which CGI. Cgi is trying to kind of screw ADCC by doing it the same weekend, which is kind of frustrating and annoying. But I listened to him on Rogan, he's pretty funny Anyway. So we were already going for ADCC, but now Craig Jones Invitational is the Friday-Saturday and ADCC is Saturday-Sunday.

Speaker 2 25:11

Well, we have to, because you want to see the best grapplers in the world.

Speaker 3 25:13

Oh, fuck it, yeah it is, but the frustrating thing for me is like I get what Craig's trying to do, right right like there's no guaranteed money at adcc. So you show up, you get no money, you only get money if you win, and you only get ten thousand dollars yeah, it's not much so what craig wants to do is the same thing that we can call it adcc, but let's just call it gordon ryan.

Speaker 3 25:34

He wants grapplers to make more money, right, like any sport. Amazing, that's great, I love that. But the problem is, is that the only people who really care are the people who are watching you compete, right? So what pisses me off is that I either need to miss the first day of adcc, which is that's where the upsets happen. So that's like do I want to go see cgi?

Speaker 3 25:55

because, those upsets can be huge, right, huge upsets, like you could. You could take a number two ranked guy in the world and he'll get beat by like a number 10 guy yeah which should never happen. So like we have to decide, you know, do you want to miss that first day of adcc? That's true I don't know either, but half the guys are going to be at cji well, and that's the problem, is gordon ryan even competing, yeah, oh yeah he'll be competing.

Speaker 2 26:18

Yeah for sure. I, joe, made some really like when him and uh and craig were talking, talking and Joe was like, why would you like, like? Would it not be better if you guys didn't do it on the same?

Speaker 2 26:27

weekend right like yeah, he kept trying to say that to him he made something, tried to make some compelling points and I think this is going to be a one and done thing, maybe on the same weekend, like I'm sure he'll do that again if it's successful. But, like I just stopped saying, like, um, it's tough being an athlete because they get show pay for CGI. Yeah, $10,001. Yeah, which is legit, right.

Speaker 2 26:45

You show up and you get your show pay. It's going to attract more athletes every time because if they tell you so at some point, adcc is going to be forced to change and then is everybody going to go back to ADCC.

Speaker 3 26:57

Well, the problem is this is that so? Cgi has never happened before.

Speaker 2 27:07

So just, it's the million dollars for first place is, but it's from a backer yeah right, so like is that backer can?

Speaker 3 27:13

so the one-off tournaments in any sport? Right, if you have a cji medal hanging on your wall for first place gold medal, but then it never happens again right, who cares?

Speaker 1 27:23

yeah, it means nothing.

Speaker 3 27:24

The the prestige of adcc is what it is and it's been built up from nothing, right like all it was was a whole bunch of super rich oil guys from abu dhabi who are like I want to watch the best grapplers in the world. So we'll put on this event and it's invitation only or you win your way in through trials, so you're legitimately getting the best people in the world, and that's invitation only, or you win your way in through trials, so you're legitimately getting the best people in the world. And that's been like. I think we're on 20 or probably close to 30 years now, so like it has a name yeah and it just.

Speaker 3 27:54

I think the only people getting screwed out of this are the people who are going to watch I agree yeah, yeah I agree, and I don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 28:02

I agree, I don't know what is the best thing to do because I guess it'd be cool just to go on the Friday even, but then you're not again. Are you now committed and you're like bought in? You need to see what happens. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 28:12

I don't know either.

Speaker 5 28:22

Like it's.

Speaker 3 28:22

It's 50 bucks, so beer at the pool for one day. So like I'd rather waste 50 of deciding that I want to, maybe I want to jump over to this and then jump over here for the afternoon and, like the merch, there's gonna be so much so much to get so much I need

Speaker 2 28:36

my hey shirt. Oh, it's here, it's in that pile of oh my god do you want to put it on right now during the podcast.

Speaker 5 28:42

No, you know, I would I like this tool shirt.

Speaker 2 28:45

Can I throw another wrench into this Vegas trip? We're going to be two weeks out from a 100K race. That's a problem time to go on a vacation.

Speaker 1 28:55

Not really. I think it's fine. It's not like we're going to keep training up to that point. It's a weekend, who cares?

Speaker 3 29:02

You can run in Vegas. It'll only be 50 degrees outside.

Speaker 1 29:04

Well, I'll jump on a treadmill at the NGM or whatever. We're staying Totally.

Speaker 2 29:08

But yeah, that's probably the wrong time to like who cares.

Speaker 1 29:12

I am 100%. Who cares on that? I really am. Is your guys' race here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 29:16

Okay.

Speaker 1 29:18

Is it the Seoul? Yeah, la Seoul. Oh, I don't think it will be a problem. I really don't.

Speaker 2 29:22

Like are you going to like drink and eat? Yeah, food, I'm not going to get crazy, but like it's one weekend.

Speaker 1 29:28

It's a full month? No, it's not. It's two or three weeks before Whatever.

Speaker 3 29:33

I don't think we're really going with anybody who's like off the rails and where's buddy? No, we haven't seen him for three. Think we're going with those people.

Speaker 2 29:41

From when I look at who's going, it's justa, it's just a bad time to go on a vacation like no in the totality of stop thinking about it, just for others other buy the ticket yeah yeah, I said, I've said on record multiple podcasts now that I am going cool.

Speaker 5 29:55

Well, let's prove it by getting.

Speaker 3 29:57

But if you don't, go like just if you don't go, I think you regret it at all.

Speaker 2 30:03

Yeah, we were. We will 100. Regret the experiences that you just don't do and it's just like oh, man. I'm also finding it incredibly hard right now, because I'm soft to be away from home.

Speaker 3 30:14

I get it, I love home. Yeah, dude, home is the best place in the world.

Speaker 2 30:17

It's like today. I was like I could go for a workout number two today or I could get a bonus hour with the kiddo, and I was like, well, I guess I'm going home. You made the right decision.

Speaker 5 30:24

Probably.

Speaker 2 30:25

So it's just hard. So I'm not making excuses, but I am making excuses.

Speaker 3 30:28

Your excuses are valid.

Speaker 1 30:30

Your excuses are valid, but you're still going to buy a plane ticket in common. Or, worst case scenario, I drive because I procrastinate.

Speaker 3 30:36

That drive's not horrible If you guys would have said you want to drive and I go straight through, I don't even stop.

Speaker 2 30:41

Oh, that's terrible.

Speaker 3 30:42

No, it's good.

Speaker 1 30:43

It's good. It's good Back to jujitsu. Congratulations on Purple Belt.

Speaker 5 30:47

Thank you, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 30:50

You basically did.

Speaker 3 30:51

I was going to wear it. You should have. Why does nobody bring their shit?

Speaker 1 30:54

Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't.

Speaker 3 30:56

I thought you guys would have made fun of me. I was so.

Speaker 1 30:59

So you essentially went from not doing grappling at all to essentially like just five years, five years now, five years straight, of jujitsu.

Speaker 3 31:09

Yeah, I just I found my thing. Yeah, like my whole life, I just have never had that thing that I, and it's not even that I'm good.

Jiu Jitsu Enthusiasts Share Passion

Speaker 3 31:21

I'm not good. It's just that thing, that thing that I'm just all in about right right, like there's been a few things, but not not athletically like I might look athletic but I am not athletic, so like it's just that thing, that it just all encompassing, like that's. It sounds bad, but if it's something to get all in on, I think it's a great thing to be all in on what was it that triggered you to start doing it thing to be all in on?

Speaker 1 31:45

what was it that triggered you to start doing it and then like, in that process, what was it that you were like yeah, this is it for me like when was it like?

Speaker 3 31:52

right away you were like, oh, I need to keep doing this, or did it take a little while to kind of get that buy-in the the toughest part was just going over like and it was uh, somebody that we work with and um, he uh was into like kickboxing and stuff first, and then went to judo and I was in judo for three years two or three years and, um, it's not that I didn't enjoy judo, but I was so worried about getting injured yeah because it's all stand up and just knees getting blown out and like back injuries.

Speaker 3 32:24

And I, I was so worried about getting injured because it's all stand up and just knees getting blown out and like back injuries, and I, I was so hesitant. So I so our friend was like you just come try this, like, just come to a class see if you like it. And it was like the first class. I was like I it's not that I it's not that I got it, but it was something that there's a reason why people who find that enjoyment in it don't ever stop, Because it just you're never, you're never going to know everything in that sport, Like, there's always going to be numerous people who are better than you and that's what keeps you going Right. Do you know what I mean? Like, and if you train properly, you're rarely going to get injured.

Speaker 1 33:07

Well, like what? What is it so? Obviously the difference between the Judo and the Jiu Jitsu is just like from the standup, like Judo is always going to chuck you. So from standing versus a jiu-jitsu starts a lot from just the ground yeah, but it's also, it's a mutual agree.

Speaker 3 33:19

Like you can't, in judo, you can't start from standing, and in judo, you can't stay on the ground right, so like and you can't touch their legs right.

Speaker 3 33:28

So it's like it's all these things. And it's not trying to bad talk judo, it's just a totally different sport. But guys who are good at judo and come to jujitsu destroy people. Oh yeah, Because their stand-up game is so damn good. Another guy we know, and you guys work with that guy. If that guy got into jujitsu we would all be in huge trouble because he would be destroyed.

Speaker 1 33:53

Tyler from the nursing home.

Speaker 4 33:54

He's going to come on the podcast too? I think no, he will not. Yeah, he's gonna come on the podcast too? I think no he will not.

Speaker 3 33:57

Yeah, he's gonna, he won't.

Speaker 1 33:58

He was on team Canada or Olympics, right, yeah, it was a pan am, it was the no, he was on the alternate team for the Olympics, but he, like he's still, he's so ridiculously good, like just very humble, so much, but like his balance, displacement makes no sense, like I'll know. He's trying to trip me and I cannot stop it. It's happening, he can't stop it. He'll just pull me one direction and the next thing, you know, I'm on the ground. I'm like what did you just do? What?

Speaker 3 34:22

is the term. He's hitting you with the earth. Yes, yes, is that what Joe says?

Speaker 1 34:29

He just trips you, he just pops your foot out, and you did. You know, I was he's like just so good at it. Yeah, but timing and everything's really good anyway. No, that's super cool.

Speaker 3 34:38

Sorry, five years, five years um and I feel bad because my training partner over here um life happens man, like life happens, had a kid and yeah, you get busy and. But you know what? I appreciate that because I enjoy what you guys are also doing with uh, shannon, uh, shout out to shannon if you um, you know they need that team you know she needs that team and you guys are also doing with Shannon.

Discussion on Jiu Jitsu Achievements

Speaker 3 35:00

Shout out to Shannon If you you know they need that team, you know she needs that team and you guys are an awesome team for her. So I appreciate that you guys are spending your time instead of like. I would give you a hard time, cj, if you were sitting on your ass and doing nothing.

Speaker 3 35:11

But I know you're not doing that, so I wouldn't be like yo don't fucking ditch me and come train. I know you're not doing that and I know that you guys are doing other things, so you know I appreciate that. So you know, I would for sure bug you if you weren't doing that Because, for those of you who don't know, cj and I got our blue belts together.

Speaker 2 35:32

Yeah, two years ago now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 35:34

And I would probably still be a white belt if, because we started working together and you said, hey, you want to get our blue belts together. I'm like yeah.

Speaker 4 35:42

Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 35:43

Because there's guys in jujitsu who just never test for belts, and I get it.

Speaker 1 35:47

That's me.

Speaker 5 35:48

Yeah.

Speaker 3 35:49

Yeah, right, but at the same time, like Jordan, main from CMC was a white belt until last year.

Speaker 5 35:56

Yeah.

Speaker 3 35:56

When he's not a white belt, he's a black belt. So it's not about the belt, it's just about your knowledge and your experience and if you're willing to share that with people and yeah, that, that, um, that purple belt test sucked.

Speaker 5 36:08

It looked like it.

Speaker 3 36:09

Oh, it was rough, it was really really rough. Um yeah, like at two hours I was like starting to feel like I was going to puke and I didn't feel that with the other test. Yeah, yeah and.

Speaker 2 36:21

Yeah, because the other test you get to sit out and watch like the suck happen. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 36:25

Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 36:26

No, this one was not that. This one was like 45 minutes in and I looked at the clock, which is the worst mistake I could have done, because I know it's going to be three hours long and I was already like in really rough shape and then the last, like the last part of the test um, uh Lee, our, our head coach, and the owner of CMC. I see him pull the three black belts aside who are training with us, and that was uh Chris Ponce, neil Berry, uh Spencer Rojovi, and they have a little like powwow, they're chatting and they're like, okay, what's happening? I know we're almost done right, and then those guys destroyed us for like 15 minutes like it was the worst, and then we were done so crazy.

Speaker 3 37:06

Yeah, it was an experience I. I'm very happy I did it because I wasn't sure, like we were talking before and you and uh cj was saying like, oh, you're gonna do it, like because I was on the fence, I was just gonna go help I help.

Speaker 3 37:17

I was like well, yeah, I was just going to go help. But then we, we kind of amped up our training. There was a few of us who did the test together and we were, I think, three to four times a week. We were repping out some stuff and yeah, I thought, well, why not the worst case scenario? Everybody was saying to me scenario if you fail right, there isn't one, you just get better so yeah, amazing sport yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 37:38

I wish everybody would do it. I wish my kids would do it. I wish I would have started when I was a teenager. But didn't so it's never too late best time to plant a tree right, right now get that.

Speaker 1 37:50

Get that west jet on there. Get the west jet getting the website um. Cody got his brown belt too right, he did.

Speaker 3 37:54

Yeah, and he so. The point of the conversation I found out after with the black belts and Lee was that Cody wasn't getting tired, and so when you're testing for brown, the point is to break you Like that you either quit or you want to quit. And it sucked for us who weren't doing brown, because we were waiting for Cody to get tired and Cody's a savage, so he didn't. And it was done because, yeah, that's amazing for Cody, because he's only been training for, I think, six years or something like that, which is a very good achievement for six seven years maybe.

Speaker 2 38:33

Yeah, handy Stumpka's black belt. I saw that Within the same time frame, like he started Jiu Jitsu, probably when you did Super late. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 38:41

Yeah, he's probably got the advantage of time.

Speaker 5 38:45

Athleticism, oh and time.

Speaker 1 38:47

Time.

Speaker 4 38:48

And money. Yeah, time and money.

Speaker 1 38:50

Well, exactly, and the money gives you the leisure time.

Speaker 3 38:54

Well, he probably sleeps for like three hours a day too, though.

Speaker 2 38:56

Yeah, but if you, truly, if you didn't have to worry about working, you'd be like you know what I'm going to dedicate this two hour block every day to jujitsu and still be at home the same amount.

Speaker 1 39:06

And his new wife slash girlfriend's like a black belt.

Speaker 2 39:08

Yeah, yeah, she's like a super high level black belt.

Speaker 1 39:11

Yeah.

Speaker 3 39:12

Which is amazing yeah, that's cool those guys are. It's when you look at north, or, yeah, northern montana, those savages in those sbg gyms there, oh man I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing some of those people at the adcc.

Speaker 1 39:28

Well, I'm sure they'll be there, like jocko, for sure, will be there because, I think his daughter, yep, she'll compete, she'll compete but do you like?

Speaker 3 39:34

it's gonna be hard to not fan 100. Is that what they call? That Completely?

Speaker 1 39:38

I'm going to be the idiot standing in line. Really Well, how do you not?

Speaker 3 39:42

Yeah, because you're never going to get the opportunity. How do you not?

Speaker 1 39:44

How do you not stand in line, get a shirt signed or something, or?

Speaker 2 39:46

say I don't know, I don't want to say Discipline equals freedom, but it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 1 39:54

It doesn't. It doesn't, I don't know what to say.

Speaker 3 39:57

Yeah, but for me, and I think you think about it the same way so if you're at a place and I don't know, wayne Gretzky is there, okay, so like Gordon is like the Wayne Gretzky of grappling.

Speaker 1 40:10

Right. So would you not want to get that far? How is he not Really Like? I don't think he let's just give it.

Speaker 2 40:16

let's pump the brakes. I know he's great, he's the best.

Speaker 1 40:19

The Wayne Gretzky. He's the best.

Speaker 2 40:22

Right now.

Speaker 3 40:23

Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Wayne Gretzky is Wayne Gretzky right now, but Connor in 10 years will probably pass Wayne Gretzky. He just passed his all.

Speaker 2 40:32

Let's just pump the brakes.

Speaker 1 40:33

Why are you so resistant to Gordon Ryan being the way he is?

Speaker 2 40:37

Because, next you're going to compare him to Michael Jordan. These guys were so far above.

Speaker 1 40:42

So is Gordon Ryan.

Speaker 5 40:43

No, he's not. No one comes close to him.

Speaker 3 40:45

People come close. Speaking of Michael Jordan yeah, my ADHD is kicking in. I don't even know if I have that. Have you seen the memes from the Oilers win with Michael Jordan, with the Oilers hat on. Have you seen the memes? From the Oilers win with Michael Jordan, with the Oilers hat on. No, it says, and I took that personally what you know, where he's like crying from the last dance, where he's sitting on the couch and he's talking about, and we took that personally.

Speaker 2 41:07

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hilarious, it's hilarious.

Speaker 3 41:09

It's like a Peter Klima helmet stuck on his Michael Jordan head. Anyway, sorry.

Speaker 2 41:13

Yeah, that's okay. I don't think you can compare Gordon Ryan to him.

Speaker 4 41:15

I think you might be able to, because I know nothing about Jiu-Jitsu, but I know who, gordon Ryan is. He's got exposure to the sport the same way, michael.

Speaker 1 41:21

Jordan and Wayne Gretzky would have done 93, 5, and 3. 93 wins, 5 losses, 3 decisions.

Speaker 4 41:30

Who would be the Wayne?

Speaker 1 41:30

Gretzky of Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 4 41:31

Nobody yet.

Speaker 3 41:32

Maybe Bouchesha Boukeka.

Speaker 2 41:35

Buchecha, bukecha Don't say bukkake Buchecha yeah.

Speaker 3 41:44

All right.

Speaker 2 41:45

Maybe, but that's also several, several years ago, and you are a database of jiu-jitsu in ways that I'm not because it's how your brain works, it's an obsession it is. I just don't think the sport has been competitive. I mean, obviously it's been competitive Like Demetrius Johnson. Right, been competitive? I mean obviously it's been competitive like demetrius johnson right, that was loud.

Speaker 3 42:02

You want me to have this right?

Speaker 1 42:02

here, so it's gonna be loud.

Speaker 2 42:03

Um, yeah, what is he like? The, the freaking yeah, like mma yeah, but it's just like it's hard.

Speaker 3 42:12

It is not a binary thing okay, let's not use wayne gretzky, let's let's use. Let let's not use Wayne Gretzky, let's use George St Pierre.

Speaker 5 42:19

I think that's comparable.

Speaker 3 42:21

Gordon and George, I would say Okay. So if you have an opportunity and you see GSP somewhere, are you not going to be like you're not interrupting him, like he's just doing whatever he's doing, are you not going to stand in that line to get a?

Speaker 2 42:34

photo with him. No, I don't think so. What I have a vision of him.

Speaker 3 42:36

I'm going to get that framed All day.

Speaker 1 42:38

Yeah, I don't know. Canadian icon yeah, I'm going to find a little thing. I can put around a bandana I can put around my oh yes.

Speaker 4 42:44

I am kind of on your page about that, Like what is the purpose of it?

Speaker 2 43:00

To say you, you know, you know memory. Memories fade away. You know what I mean. They're not as detailed, but if you got a, photo with that guy.

Speaker 4 43:03

There's nothing. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything because it means nothing, because it means nothing to them I think, yeah, it's individual, yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 43:06

So that's why I'm like yeah, but that's how life is, like something can mean literally nothing to you and mean a lot to me, but it doesn't like, doesn't make it.

Speaker 4 43:14

I feel. I feel selfish approaching and talking to them and taking their time.

Speaker 1 43:20

Sure if they're sitting at a restaurant having dinner with their family, but if they're at an event, where they're expecting this is going to be a thing. Everyone's going to come say hi to me, jocko's, like everyone's going to come say discipline equals freedom, or something.

Speaker 5 43:34

Was that.

Speaker 4 43:35

Arnold's voice on Jocko. I have no idea, I can't do Jocko. That was Jocko's daughter's voice. That was pretty good though.

Speaker 1 43:40

That was pretty good, yeah, I don't know, I don't know, but there's like they're showing up there knowing they're going to be a bit of a center of attention. That's a different atmosphere. Honestly, signing something, I agree, is probably dumb, but a picture is cool.

Speaker 4 43:56

You look at the picture in the future and be like that was a cool moment. I guess I agree, but I wouldn't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 44:02

I have a vision of how I would play it and I've actually had the chance to play this out and was like a bumbling idiot.

Speaker 4 44:07

Oh, please tell us.

Speaker 2 44:10

While Andy Stumpf and I were at the same conference. Oh, I know, and I'm sure he was like who's this fucking idiot?

Speaker 4 44:16

Yeah not the right way to play, though.

Speaker 2 44:20

Yeah, because I picture myself seeing Jocko and just like kind of like walking by and being like what's up, Jocko, what's up?

Speaker 1 44:23

And he's like hey, you want to be my friend?

Speaker 3 44:24

And you're like yeah, yes, I thought you never asked, but this is what social media does to yeah, and they don't care, because there's 500 people in line for me to take a selfie with. We all feel like we know these people, but we don't know anything except where they show us.

Speaker 4 44:45

I got to ride an elevator with Don Cherry once we were staying at the same hotel Creeps, and so he walks in. I'm standing there. I'm like, oh, okay, shit, it's Don Cherry. Elevator goes up. I'm about to get off. I'm like, hey, like thanks for everything you've done. I really like, oh, I forget what I said, but I was like thanks for everything you've done. I really it has made watching hockey more for me. Shook, his hand, walked away, that was it, and I felt like that was okay to do.

Speaker 4 45:07

Yeah, for sure, but yeah, I don't know, I just, I just want to express my.

Speaker 1 45:10

It is weird I got you know weird yeah I went to, uh, brian callan and brendan schaub's stand-up in Calgary. There were separate dates and for both of them we went and stood in line and took a picture. It was just weird because I'm like I feel like I know these people because I've heard them talk for so long, and it was like you shake their hand and you're like, hey, yeah, cool, nice to meet you that's probably hitting it on the head is feeling like because I think people, celebrities yeah they, but they know the characters maybe these people play.

Speaker 2 45:36

You don't even know tom cruise, no, you know, right like fuck, yeah. But like you're?

Speaker 1 45:41

I would like to know, but like, podcasts are different because, like they're especially like a joe rogan, like he's talked for so long and you've listened to him so many hours, so you kind of do know the person so let's say you're in a restaurant in calgary or something like that joe rogan's there and he's like, hey, you run the average superior, the Don Cherry thing yeah that's what he would say.

Speaker 3 45:59

Can I have your autograph?

Chance Encounter With Celebrity Fans

Speaker 4 46:01

The Don Cherry situation. You're in an elevator closed situation like that.

Speaker 1 46:05

Joe Rogan walks up oh, 100% Going up we got 16 floors.

Speaker 4 46:07

You have 16 floors. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 46:18

Like I don't know, but in that interaction, 100%, I would have to say something, because it's like would you just?

Speaker 2 46:26

I don't even mean like play it cool. The superpower move would just be to have a conversation. Why are you here? Yeah, exactly what are you?

Speaker 1 46:33

doing here? Yeah versus like hey. Man, I love your podcast so much.

Speaker 2 46:36

What are you doing here? Yeah versus like hey. Man, I love your podcast so much. I'm such a big fan. You've motivated me to change my life. Stay hard.

Speaker 1 46:40

Yeah, I cold punch too.

Speaker 5 46:41

I cold punch all the time. Yeah, I love kettlebells.

Speaker 1 46:45

I love them. You want to buy a t-shirt? I tried your honest stuff one time. It was good Like my fanny pack.

Speaker 2 46:52

Yeah, like this would be so fucking frustrating being at a restaurant with your family and somebody coming up to you.

Speaker 4 46:59

That's just people being idiots.

Speaker 2 47:00

But that's people being idiots and you'd be like what are you doing?

Speaker 1 47:04

One day it's going to happen.

Speaker 4 47:05

I did that To us. You did that, oh yeah. Oh you, piece of shit, but he was leaving. Who'd you do it to?

Speaker 3 47:12

Current champ Sugar Sean.

Speaker 4 47:14

Oh really.

Speaker 3 47:18

Yeah, champ, sugar sean, oh, really, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, explain that. How did that work out? Well, it's when we were in phoenix for back-to-back tool, amazing. And uh, we're at this. They have this really cool venue there where it's a bunch of sea cans put together like a rectangle I remember what it's called and each one is like a, either a, uh, like a, not a bar, but you can go get your drinks there and then one would be like you know drinks there, and then one would be like you know wood fire oven pizza and one would be like tacos and it's a real cool place and it's kind of sunken in the middle. You get your food and you get your drink. You kind of hang out there and it's not even that busy and my wife and I are sitting there eating and I look over and Sugar Sean is sitting there with a buddy just eating pizza, like it's like a food court, and he's he was the current champ.

Speaker 5 48:01

Yeah, like what is happening, so is this really him?

Speaker 3 48:02

I look around does he not have like people with him, like there's what? Do you think he just travels with an?

Speaker 3 48:07

entourage yeah, wouldn't you like? Anyway, he's sitting there and I'm kind of like, well, you should go talk to him, like you should go get his picture, see if he walks up, and you know, just see if he's going to be able to get a picture. I don't know if I get to get a photo, like no, no, that's, I'm not going to do that, cause I actually was thinking about Joe, talking about how he hates when people do that. So I'm like up and I can go get a picture, yeah, being a stalker, yeah, basically being a stalker. But then I see another guy with his wife and they get up to leave and he kind of just walks over his table and says hey man, hey champ, or whatever, just bumps, knuckles with him and walks me. I'm like this is fine yeah, this guy's chill.

Speaker 4 48:48

That's an appropriate reaction.

Speaker 3 48:49

Yeah, yeah so then he gets up and I'm like, okay, let's go now, let's go now. So I walk over and I'm like, hey, man, man, I just had to come.

Speaker 5 48:56

And you know, I just had to see like you know, congratulations.

Speaker 3 49:00

He had just won the belt, like a month before, yeah, and I'm like, can I get a photo?

Speaker 5 49:05

He's like yeah, absolutely, like, absolutely. What's your name? Whatever? Oh cool, he's like he was a super nice guy.

Speaker 2 49:09

Yeah.

Speaker 4 49:20

I'm sure he gets that like 50 times had to.

Speaker 3 49:21

Yeah right well, I don't know. Like you said, I didn't know what to say. We were, uh, we were in.

Speaker 4 49:23

Have you looked at that photo?

Speaker 1 49:24

since. Oh yeah, it's on my instagram. Okay, we were at a bar in calgary last year maybe a year and a half ago with my cousin and uncle and uh, kachuk walks in and it's my cousin I didn't know who the hell he was and it was my cousin's like favorite hockey player. So we're just sitting there eating and he's just like, cause we were like I was facing, we were facing away, he's facing to the bar and I guess Chuck was up to the bar and sitting there and all of a sudden there's like four chicks around him and uh, my cousin just like immediately, just goes like silent and you think something's happening here.

Speaker 1 49:53

I'm like what are you talking about? He's like jesus, yeah, kachuk, kachuk's here. He's like my favorite player. What should I do? He's like you should do nothing. Just like like his, like he didn't. He's like I just couldn't like contain himself, like what should actually? I gotta do something? Like no, you don't, let's just finish our food. And then we ended up finishing and he, on the way out, he's like hey, man, you're my favorite player and then he gets like a fist bump, did he?

Speaker 4 50:16

use that voice Probably.

Speaker 1 50:20

I've been watching you sleep for weeks.

Speaker 3 50:22

Heavy breathing. I know where you live.

Discussion on TV Shows and History

Speaker 1 50:24

Michael, that's how you sounded, by the way but he gave him a fist bump and we walked out and he's just like oh, I can't believe that happened. He was just so taken aback. It's funny because we all think we're being super cool and collected when that happens, and then it's just it's. It's weird how fame kind of just messes with your, your head but fame is.

Speaker 2 50:40

Fame is disgusting, like I, I hate. I don't shouldn't say hate, but I just, I have no interest in celebrities. If I saw um fucking jonas hill, I don't know jonah hill, jonah Jonas.

Speaker 4 50:57

Could you please? Pronounce his name wrong, too, it's Jonah. Right it's Jonah. He's like the Jonas Brothers.

Speaker 5 51:01

I don't know how you pick him.

Speaker 1 51:02

You're thinking of the Jonas Brothers.

Speaker 3 51:04

He's got the weird little arm.

Speaker 1 51:06

You're thinking of Joe Jonas, the Jonas Brothers.

Speaker 2 51:10

Give me a celebrity that nobody gives a shit about.

Speaker 5 51:12

Jonah Hill.

Speaker 2 51:18

I don't know Like a C level celebrity, like an A minus, like somebody who's kind of like meh oh.

Speaker 3 51:21

Brendan Fraser.

Speaker 1 51:23

No, he's a big deal now Back in the day. The.

Speaker 4 51:26

Mummy If.

Speaker 2 51:28

I saw Brendan Fraser at a restaurant. I'd literally walk past his table and be like I don't give a fuck that you're here.

Speaker 4 51:34

Would you say that to him? I would show him the Mummy sucked or the guy who plays Shaggy on the Scooby Doo movies that you're here, Would you say that to him? I would show him the mommy sucks, or the guy who plays Shaggy on like the.

Speaker 3 51:41

Scooby-Doo movies.

Speaker 2 51:42

What's that guy's name?

Speaker 4 51:43

Oh, the tall guy from Scream yeah, what is his name?

Speaker 3 51:47

I'm so sweaty. Right now it's a warm room.

Speaker 4 51:51

I was in Red. Did you know who Gary Goodrich is? Yeah, he's the old ufc fighter. I mean, I was in red deer a couple months ago and I was with somebody who had this same situation. They idolize gary goodrich and he walks in and he sits at a restaurant. He sits across, like maybe two booths away, and he, this guy with his freaking the only person who the only fan of his and he's, oh my god.

Speaker 4 52:14

Well then he showed me some clips. I'm like, oh, I recognize some of this stuff, or whatever. And then we walked by and he's in the same restaurant. Then he showed me some clips. I'm like, oh, I recognize some of this stuff, or whatever. Then we walked by and he's like, hey, he started up. I just have to say he's like I was such a big fan of yours, all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 52:26

Gary's like hey why don't you guys sit down?

Speaker 3 52:27

for a bit.

Speaker 4 52:28

Oh, my God, I know he sat down, he told us a couple stories.

Speaker 3 52:37

Sh and it was a great interaction. You know, the only reason I know who Gary Goodrich is?

Speaker 1 52:39

I don't know. It's because Joe, I call him Joe.

Speaker 3 52:40

He's my buddy, yeah 100% that Joe Rogan talks about all the time, because he Gary Goodrich fought. What's his name? The guy from the Foxcatcher movie?

Speaker 5 52:50

Oh, the wrestler guy. Yeah, the actual person that the movie's about Gary Goodrich.

Speaker 3 52:55

Fought him in the UFC oh wow.

Speaker 5 52:58

Wow.

Speaker 3 52:59

And that's the only reason I know who Gary Goodrich is.

Speaker 5 53:00

I couldn't point him out.

Speaker 3 53:01

You brought his picture up now and you said that's him and it's not.

Speaker 4 53:03

I would say okay, he showed us clips of him on his phone. It was actually really good.

Speaker 5 53:15

So that's different like oh, let's talk about the glory days.

Speaker 2 53:17

Yeah, because he's like a C-list.

Speaker 5 53:18

Yeah.

Speaker 4 53:19

He's the Brendan Fraser of the UFC. No.

Speaker 2 53:21

Like nobody's stopping at Brendan Fraser's table no way.

Speaker 3 53:26

Especially when he got fat, when he was the whale.

Speaker 4 53:28

Yeah, I haven't watched that you, brendan Fraser, gets some table stoppers he 100% would Like in 1999.

Speaker 3 53:37

Oh, top of the game, top of the heap.

Speaker 4 53:38

Even now I bet I'm thinking like Brent Butt who, the corner gas guy, the main corner gas guy.

Speaker 3 53:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 53:45

Yeah, that's good Brent.

Speaker 3 53:46

Butt.

Speaker 4 53:47

Canadian.

Speaker 3 53:47

TV.

Speaker 5 53:48

Yeah, ctv Rookie.

Speaker 3 53:49

Blue season three.

Speaker 5 53:54

Rookie Blue. How many?

Speaker 3 53:56

how many crappy. You know all of them. There's like what is there? There's like a Law and Order Toronto.

Speaker 4 54:02

Hey, first off, I've watched every episode. It is horrible, but I'm not turning it off.

Speaker 1 54:06

It is so bad but there's not a good Canadian like what's a good Canadian show? The 19, how is it called? 2.

Speaker 2 54:12

The season 1 finale of that show stressed me the fuck out what show 19.2.

Speaker 1 54:18

It's a cop show out of Montreal.

Speaker 2 54:20

It's the main character.

Speaker 1 54:21

It's Moriel, the guy who I'm sorry. What the hell is it called?

Speaker 2 54:27

The main character is the guy Letterkenny Letterkenny, which is all Okay.

Speaker 3 54:29

First two seasons, three seasons. Let's finish that and then we'll go on. Okay, 19.2.

Speaker 2 54:33

Just go watch the first season.

Speaker 1 54:34

It's really good.

Speaker 2 54:34

The season finale is stressful as fuck. It is.

Speaker 4 54:37

Awesome and season two episode one One TV show yeah.

Speaker 2 54:41

Flashpoint was pretty good. It kind of like it had rookie blue eyes.

Speaker 1 54:44

It had rookie blue eyes.

Speaker 5 54:45

So Letter Kenny the first couple seasons I loved it.

Speaker 1 54:48

The last like two, I was like it's almost unwatchable. I just like I can't watch this Same stuff.

Speaker 2 54:53

And I think you just bail out of a show when you you know when your time is done.

Speaker 3 54:56

This is fresh in my mind, because all I've had is just people talk about fucking.

Speaker 5 55:03

I'm sorry, shorzy and Letterkenny.

Speaker 3 55:05

So two days ago. Two days ago, I'm like I got to see what this garbage is about. I made it one and a half episodes and I'm like this is stupid.

Speaker 2 55:15

Shorzy or letter kenny shorzy.

Speaker 5 55:17

They're probably the same well, yeah, it's gotta be.

Speaker 1 55:19

No, they're not the same letter kenny, first couple seasons was it was good, it was funny. Then it just got, it became well.

Speaker 2 55:25

Shorzy is like the maximum extreme of of letter kenny basically you'll appreciate letter kenny, because it is a very accurate character of the town that we live in, that even when we don't name it, people know exactly what we're talking about. Yeah, because of, like, the different groups and societal problems. Yes, but.

Speaker 4 55:45

Northern. Have you ever talked to anyone from like Northern Ontario, though they?

Speaker 1 55:51

say that it is that. No, I don't know a lot of people in that. Yeah, I believe that it's I. It ruined it. It shouldn't have started with Charles. That guy, Letter Kenny, season one, episode one. He's an idiot.

Speaker 2 55:57

Yes, completely. Go watch season one of 19.2. It'll redeem him for you and then you can stop after season one.

Speaker 4 56:03

Yeah, you don't have to carry on. No, that's so many shows I need to watch. If you Google best Canadian TV shows, all of them that come up. I don't recognize bad. Yeah, that's good I also really liked um what's the one with?

Speaker 5 56:18

like?

Speaker 3 56:18

that was all there was with no, no, no, no with um royal canadian air farce, eugene levine.

Speaker 4 56:24

Eugene levine, his kid oh yeah, that was really good. That was canadian, wasn't it? It's very like hard um kids creek. Yes, yes, I thought that was pretty good. It was actually like 20 minute. These are like 20 minute comedy shows we're talking about, because that's you want a show that's going to blow your mind. Is it Canadian? And?

Speaker 3 56:39

I've been telling people about this for like months and nobody has even watched one episode. Masters of the Air I watched it. My.

Speaker 1 56:46

God dude, Every episode just stresses me out and I'm like how.

Speaker 3 56:51

I don't know how they did it. This will roll right into like society right now. If that happened now, we would be so screwed because there ain't no 20 year olds going up in planes and getting shot out of the sky Like how did those kids do that?

Speaker 1 57:03

I don't get how they keep flying into an area where they know these guys just chucking. What were they called, Not flak. Was it flak Okay. Yeah, something like that, the metal shit yeah they're basically just shooting metal pieces into the air and the planes are just hoping they don't get hit as they drive through them.

Speaker 3 57:18

It's insanity 18 planes will go and three will come back.

Speaker 4 57:21

Did.

Speaker 5 57:22

I say drive again, you're doing this too.

Speaker 4 57:25

I feel like it's not a steering wheel kind of situation. Was it just me or every episode it was good.

Speaker 3 57:27

I was stressed out, me too, because Steven Spielberg did a phenomenal job on that show, did you?

Speaker 1 57:33

watch the. After that there's an actual documentary version of the people who did it.

Speaker 3 57:39

No, I'm not done yet. I think I've got like two episodes, I think they basically roll into it.

Speaker 1 57:42

So there's an episode or two of essentially the actual people that did the thing.

Speaker 3 57:46

It's unreal Insanity. I can't binge that show because it would give me a heart attack mood for it. Apple TV's got some amazing shows.

Speaker 1 57:56

I'm watching Dark Matter right now. I want to too.

Speaker 5 58:00

Oh is it sci-fi, yeah. So basically I can't remember, is it?

Speaker 3 58:04

aliens? No, it's got to be aliens.

Speaker 1 58:05

It's essentially about multiverse but the idea of superposition and how we exist kind of in one plane, but we can have like multiple versions of our of us like interstellar similar to that, but, like they, the guy kind of figures out how to go between realities. It's very, very interesting uh, I'll be watching on the treadmill, so I just want to run more but, I'll be watching it alone yeah, because my wife doesn't watch that stuff.

Speaker 3 58:34

So for me it's like when am I gonna watch shows alone?

Speaker 1 58:37

that's when I literally on the treadmill.

Speaker 4 58:39

I put it on and run I have that saying I don't watch shows alone. I don't watch any of them. No. Yeah, I don't know, North of 60, another Canadian TV show just popped into my head.

Speaker 3 58:48

Oh yeah, Good one.

Speaker 4 58:48

Yeah, decent.

Speaker 1 58:59

What's that guy's name? Gross, gross, yeah. Yeah, in saskatchewan, uh, when I grew up, we had uh, there's like two channels, and on sundays there was one called tribal trails sure yeah, I remember that little tobo yes, that's a better theme song.

Speaker 3 59:09

I put that on for my dogs sometimes and they love it, though, to sit and watch it. It's so good I got, we got, finally got rid of, tell us. So I don't have that anymore, but I had like 200 episodes of. Little Sobel, are you just strictly streaming now? Yeah?

Speaker 4 59:20

I'm done with this. That's probably the best.

Speaker 2 59:22

TV show theme songs though.

Speaker 1 59:24

Oh yeah, that related to the show, the best I've been done with TV for like almost a decade.

Speaker 3 59:30

You know why it took me forever. I called last year to try and I'm like well, I'll give you this great offer now, of course I'm like well, why wouldn't you call me and give me that offer when I was paying? And it didn't want to cancel Exactly. So I legit told them on Friday was that? No, I'm done with TELUS. I hate how you guys monopolize everything in this country and I want out.

Speaker 5 59:49

Yeah, I want out, get me out.

Speaker 3 59:53

So now I'm saying that I have like 85 streaming services, so I'm probably losing money somehow. Like Flow Grappling, ufc, sportsnet Apple.

Speaker 1 1:00:03

Paramount. No, I'm not doing TSN.

Speaker 3 1:00:05

Because the only thing I used to watch on TSN was F1.

Speaker 1 1:00:09

And now I've just kind of done we had it for I think my wife got it because she was watching the March Madness stuff. And then I'm keeping it, because the Olympics this year.

Speaker 3 1:00:18

People actually watch the Olympics.

Speaker 1 1:00:20

I watch everything.

Speaker 3 1:00:21

Phelps retired and I don't watch anymore.

Speaker 1 1:00:23

I literally could, if it was like a. If there's a sport for painting walls, I'd watch it, because it's Olympics.

Speaker 3 1:00:27

I don't know, why, if it's Olympics, it's like there's something on the line when, so it feels like what yeah, they got rid of Graco's Roman Style Wrestling a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 1:00:37

Yeah, that was one of the best ones in boxing.

Speaker 3 1:00:39

It was literally the original.

Speaker 1 1:00:40

It's like the original dudes were naked, grabbing each other by the balls and like that was the one, yeah that was like original that's what the picture is. Yeah, it is it's like if you see those statues of like guys like fighting.

Speaker 5 1:00:52

There's a handful just like pulling.

Speaker 1 1:00:55

Those were men, no rules.

Speaker 3 1:00:56

And then they graduated from naked to onesies.

Speaker 2 1:00:59

Yes, Can you cover yourself up with a loincloth please?

Speaker 4 1:01:03

Oh, it's got wrestling in the Summer Olympics.

Speaker 1 1:01:05

Okay, maybe there's one year they cancel it.

Speaker 4 1:01:08

Why isn't Jiu-Jitsu? I didn't know Jiu-Jitsu wasn't.

Speaker 1 1:01:13

No, I don't know. Judo taekwondo karate, wrestling and boxing.

Speaker 3 1:01:17

He says taekwondo, I like that.

Speaker 4 1:01:19

No, I'm sorry, I just I do say it like that, aren't you?

Speaker 3 1:01:21

a legit taekwondo guy no never, Now.

Speaker 2 1:01:23

I'm saying it like that what are you doing to me? You're killing me. Legit, you'll never be able to say it the same again.

Speaker 4 1:01:34

No, I did Taekwondo growing up. You didn't miss much. You didn't miss much.

Speaker 3 1:01:40

I did it too. It was a high school credit.

Speaker 4 1:01:44

I did it with my dad. It's good memories. I got that out of it.

Speaker 3 1:01:49

Breaking boards and all that pretend McDojo stuff.

Speaker 2 1:01:52

Super fun, great account.

Speaker 3 1:01:58

My niece is in Taekwondo.

Speaker 4 1:02:02

Taekwondo, I'm not going to say I had to think about it because I was going to say I still don't know how I say it it's Taekwondo, taekwondo.

Speaker 1 1:02:11

It's like you pronounce the Kwan.

Speaker 3 1:02:12

You're saying, like should be Taekwondo, taekwondo.

Speaker 4 1:02:16

So your niece?

Speaker 3 1:02:17

No, okay, yeah, sorry so she is some prodigy type Like she'll do, like the back flip kick boards. She's, how old is she? She's nine, wow, 10, nine. And I tell my, my sister, I'm like, can you just put her in like a real sport? Sport like like. Because here's what. Here's the problem with that, that type of sport, is that you're going to go into these situations and you're like oh, I'm a black, I'm a 16 year old black belt in in taekwondo, and you know I can handle this situation. And then a person gets a hold of you, right, and it's over, but that's like it, that's if you recognize it's a sport and not no.

Speaker 4 1:02:57

But people don't form exactly, they don't. They think that they're actually it's over, but that's like if you recognize it's a sport and not, but they don't Exactly, they don't.

Speaker 1 1:03:01

They think that they're actually. It's that negative. It's a bad form of self-confidence. It's like it's not proven, it's not tested.

Speaker 5 1:03:06

No.

Speaker 1 1:03:07

And they have this self-confidence. That's not accurate and it's a problem?

Impact of Grappling and Medication Risks

Speaker 3 1:03:13

Well, Just watch UFC 123.

Speaker 5 1:03:15

The smallest guy on the card destroyed everybody, everybody.

Speaker 3 1:03:23

How isn't grappling the most popular martial art in the world?

Speaker 1 1:03:30

How Did you listen to Joe and Hoist Gracie?

Speaker 3 1:03:34

It was really good, it was very interesting.

Speaker 1 1:03:36

And he talks a lot about that. I mean, they've talked lot about that, about the I mean they've talked about it before, but the process as why he went into the tournament and not other people, yeah, and it's yeah, like it just proved that this is the thing.

Speaker 3 1:03:46

There's nothing better yeah or I don't know if I'd want my kids to just be like out there punching each other in the face.

Speaker 2 1:03:57

You can put your kids into wrestling, into kickboxing, into jujitsu, and you're going to you put them into those three things.

Speaker 3 1:04:03

There'll be a killer If everybody did MMA, or I'll just say MMA, or kickboxing or jujitsu. If the majority like if they taught that in school, do you know how we'd have so much. So many fewer problems? Yeah, so many fewer egos yes, because there's always someone tougher, always, no matter where you would go except for the wayne gretzky jiu-jitsu, there's nobody tougher than him.

Speaker 3 1:04:29

Nobody's proven it yet true, and there's been some like big bets when he fought felipe pena is that the big one when it's like Gordon put up? Gordon put up 200K to his 100K. I know $200,000 to 100.

Speaker 1 1:04:45

That's how confident.

Speaker 3 1:04:45

he was Like no, I'll destroy you. And he put the submission that he was going to finish him in in a box and handed it to the commentator, and then, after he finished him, the commentator opens it up and goes yep See, that's even better than Wayne Gretzky, because Wayne.

Speaker 1 1:04:59

Gretzky wasn't like I'm going to score nine goals tonight, All top corner. Yeah, that's literally a Babe Ruth and you're not going to do anything to stop it.

Speaker 3 1:05:05

That's the Babe Ruth point and hold shot. Are you serious? Oh, you could just imagine what he could do if he wasn't sick, for sure, or like not on steroids, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:05:21

But everybody else is doing steroids. I know and I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm against it. It's like the biking thing with this with this ADCC thing is there is there testing no, no, no, oh it's it's a no, hold everybody's that's awesome just roided up everybody, everybody's, blatantly I love that though that's how it should be totally they talk about, like their stacks and what they're on, but it's fucked up. I think that has contributed to stomach problems no staph for sure yeah, but steroids generally do they affect your stomach?

Speaker 2 1:05:47

I know nothing about steroids, well, I know that I don't either, but I know they don't make you healthier, they make you stronger make you stronger.

Speaker 3 1:05:57

Yeah, because you can't just sit on the couch, take steroids and get stronger.

Speaker 2 1:06:01

Good point they give you the ability to output significantly more work over the same time and recover right. That's what makes you stronger you can work harder and recover faster and work harder.

Speaker 1 1:06:10

And you can be more consistent over time, and so you get better results.

Speaker 4 1:06:13

But you divide it by that so it's the same as that peptide that we were talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, bbc 153.

Speaker 2 1:06:19

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Speaker 1 1:06:24

We'll test it, for sure.

Speaker 4 1:06:26

Which I don't understand. When something like that happens, that promotes recovery like that, why people like the scientific community didn't just stop and look?

Speaker 5 1:06:32

at it Because they're scared.

Speaker 4 1:06:38

Well, because there's no money in it. Yeah, they're scared and there's money right in a perfect society.

Speaker 2 1:06:41

They would stop me like this is a good solution to problems. Let's make this better. Buddy of ours told us today that, uh, um, freaking, what is it?

Speaker 5 1:06:48

ozempic is causing a bunch of issues that haven't come out yo.

Speaker 4 1:06:54

I want to get started.

Speaker 3 1:06:55

I was driving here knowing that these topics would come up, I'm like I can't. I can't, I, just because people will judge me. So bad.

Speaker 4 1:07:02

I had the headphones in this morning and didn't hear the conversation.

Speaker 2 1:07:05

He just made a general comment that, like anecdotally I think I can, I could see it happening is that Ozempic has all these really negative side effects that nobody's talking about? Yeah, totally Right, that nobody's talking about. Yeah, totally Right. There's no such thing as a miracle drug. South Park's talking about it. That was great.

Speaker 5 1:07:21

That was great. If you haven't watched that, it was amazing. It was so good, I loved it.

Speaker 3 1:07:24

That was the first and only episode of South Park I've ever watched Really. There's some amazing ones you have to watch.

Speaker 4 1:07:31

They have one called Cred thing in there and there's a person in there that's subbing water out and it's great I, but like ozempic, yeah, let's go on ozempic.

Speaker 3 1:07:39

Yeah, I'm prepared, I don't care.

Speaker 4 1:07:41

Well, I don't know so there's just there's negative side effects and they're keeping it quiet, you figure I.

Speaker 2 1:07:45

I think that the I don't. I I get the feeling that people are very tribal about ozempic in that like they've seen these huge results kind of like steroids at the cost of your health, but maybe the that cost isn't realized at the same time you see results you know. I mean, like I don't know, it's not a, it's not an appropriate replacement for hard work but our doctors sharing with their clients no, their patients that hey, uh, yeah, you're probably if you stick to this diet and take ozempic or whatever.

Speaker 3 1:08:15

That's just one of the brands. Uh, what is it? Semi-glutide. There you go um thank you, so that you most likely will suffer from this or that for that period or and I think you have to stay on it forever, but there's no.

Speaker 4 1:08:27

Yeah, I was gonna ask because it messes with your insulin, right. Really I didn't know that so what's gonna happen is they're gonna get a little sick, they'll have to go off ozempic. And then these people just no, no lifestyle change happens. Well, they balloon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, get ballooned up again.

Speaker 3 1:08:37

It's like anything right, like you're going to go on any of these easy fixes to weight or you know obesity and you're no matter what you do, you're going to drop weight right away. You're going to drop this weight. But what people don't realize is that if you don't change what you're doing, yeah, and you just stay sanitary and do nothing and just live your life like you have been, you're probably going to gain back more weight. And I think what you're talking about when you brought up the side effects, like you're losing and I just read this would have been this week or last week talking about how you're actually losing lean muscle mass.

Speaker 3 1:09:17

Oh, yeah, yeah, this week or last week talking about how you're actually losing lean muscle mass. Oh, yeah, yeah, so you're. You're actually not really losing all, because your body doesn't like you're not just going to lose, just fat. Yeah, like you're just going to lose, you know, like the classic. Oh, I want to get a little chiseled for the summer, so I'm gonna do 8,000 sit-ups a day.

Speaker 5 1:09:31

That doesn't work.

Speaker 3 1:09:33

No, so and the semaglutide doesn't know that either so you're going to lose lean muscle mass, so you're not only losing fat, and that you're actually getting weaker.

Speaker 5 1:09:43

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:09:44

Right and your body's going to suffer that way. So I don't believe doctors are telling people this.

Speaker 2 1:09:47

Which is a huge problem. Right, you lose muscle mass. Your total mitochondria count in your body decreases significantly. I didn't know that Well yeah, because that's where the mitochondria are stored in your body, right.

Speaker 3 1:09:57

So, like science, Every time I hear mitochondria I think of like Star Wars.

Challenges of Quick Fix Mentality

Speaker 1 1:10:00

If I look over there, you're not wearing a lab coat, no, completely. And then obviously, the more muscle mass you have, the more your metabolism works and you burn actually more calories just doing nothing because you have more muscle mass.

Speaker 2 1:10:13

But that's the problem is people want the easy solution to their problems Quick, quick, quick, yes, and generally people will take it. And then this approach that, like I feel like people always forget and when I say people, I mean both users and prescribers, perhaps, maybe it's more so the users that the body is not a simple system. It's like the climate, it's not black and white, there's a lot of factors that play into it right.

Speaker 2 1:10:39

But you tweak this one value and all of a sudden you have all these unforeseen side effects because your body is designed to remain homeostatic. Yeah right, that's why, like, why, like people always fuck with things and I go, okay, I don't know why. Like, uh, now like I'm stuck on ozempic for the rest of my life, presumably.

Speaker 3 1:10:56

How did we get to this point, though?

Speaker 4 1:11:01

I started talking about ADCC, it's because everyone wants quick fix.

Speaker 1 1:11:05

It's because I was thinking about this when I was over here.

Speaker 4 1:11:08

It's comfort, it's the idea that I don't want to be because comfort is awesome, the same reason that we want to win the lottery.

Speaker 1 1:11:13

We want that quick money, freedom, no, no.

Speaker 4 1:11:15

It's a quick fix. Yeah, that's why the lottery winning would be amazing. You want the?

Speaker 1 1:11:18

results without the actual work.

Speaker 3 1:11:21

And I don't know, because I'm not on any of these things and I don't know what it's like. I don't have a family member or friends on it but when I think about it, what like are people thinking to themselves and they see themselves in the mirror and they're self-conscious about how they look because they might be grossly overweight. And I hope the doctors aren't prescribing it to people who are moderately overweight, like I hope it's the people who are obese and that they're prescribing it. But are the people actually feeling like?

Speaker 3 1:11:49

if I go off the rails for a weekend, I feel like garbage right like do these people feel like garbage, or is their baseline garbage, their baseline, I think?

Speaker 1 1:11:56

that's the baseline they don't know.

Speaker 3 1:11:57

They don't know, what feeling good is, so are they gonna feel any better, or is it just like? I just want to look better? Yeah, but if you feel like death, who cares what you look like?

Speaker 4 1:12:05

like if you felt sick all the time, what would it matter? They can't just go right to ozemp. I feel like it's a progression like you can't just be like morbidly obese.

Speaker 1 1:12:11

I don't I think the doctors.

Speaker 2 1:12:13

They told me, you can get Ozempic online. That's what that's like in Canada.

Speaker 4 1:12:18

That's why there's like that.

Speaker 1 1:12:19

Ozempic. That's why South Park episode because, there's literally it's like crazy how many people just go grab it and you people with diabetes can't get their medicine right.

Speaker 2 1:12:26

Type in GLP, one Canada, and I'd be curious, it's just like everything.

Speaker 1 1:12:32

It's just like everything else. Everyone, just you want the, you want the results without the effort, and the effort is people. What people don't understand is the effort that actually the reward is in the effort completely.

Speaker 5 1:12:43

Yeah, that's that whole growth mindset, like you have to enjoy.

Speaker 1 1:12:46

You have to figure out how to actually enjoy the process of the thing versus the results. Because the result, if the result is I want to lose five pounds, then all of a sudden you'll lose those five pounds and you're not going to be happy. It's just because it's like you attained it, cool, now what? But if it's like in that process of losing those five pounds, you realize, hey, I feel better when I go do my workout in the morning.

Speaker 3 1:13:05

And I worked hard for that.

Speaker 1 1:13:06

Completely yes is and more like no I've realized the process is what gives, gets me through the day, I feel better about myself, I I feel accomplished, I feel like whatever. But you, you kind of as, but you have to be kind of aware of of it in the process, because if you're only focusing on the end goal, you miss all of that. But why?

Speaker 3 1:13:28

but why is? We'll just speak about weight loss or health as one whole body together, so, like how we talk about it. But it's also one of those things that you can't really talk about in front of certain people because they might be overweight and they might be having issues there, so you can't really talk about it. And why is it one of those things like we're talking about it now and people will listen to this and people will think about it for a second. But then when I say, well, how do we change that? And then nobody is willing to do anything to change it, do you know what I mean? And I don't mean like, okay, you can't get Ozempic and you can't do this. No, no. Like how do we change the mentality of people who? Why do we not enjoy hard work anymore as people Like, why do we not?

Speaker 2 1:14:15

enjoy that, because life is too easy. Yeah, everything's gotten too easy, too convenient.

Speaker 3 1:14:19

So how do we change that? A war, you know what I mean. Like, how do you change that?

The Challenge of Comfort and Growth

Speaker 1 1:14:23

But that's like where that's. It's kind of counterproductive because they show there's all the stats to show that like countries that have serious problems or are at war with something, somebody else, all the middle little things become less important and they actually feel more accomplished in life. It's very strange because you think they'd be obviously be terrible, you're in a war zone, but actually people get a sense of like belonging and accomplishment when they can like help, the effort or their okay their joy.

Speaker 1 1:14:47

They join together to fight the bad guy or or all those things, and like levels of depression and anxiety. All these things go down when you when you, when you're in like a war zone, because they, they, they don't have the time to think about that they're not worried, they're not thinking stuff that doesn't matter, yeah, it doesn't it doesn't matter I feel sad.

Speaker 1 1:15:03

Okay, so what? Like you need to go get up and do this thing, otherwise your family's not going to survive yeah right, and so it's. It's strange because it's the again. It's actually the hardship, or the doing hard things, that causes them to actually feel better about life.

Speaker 3 1:15:18

There's so much more that we need to change that, but I you hear about the cell phones in schools.

Speaker 2 1:15:22

Yeah, which is changing? Maybe no, it's changed today, oh it's done.

Speaker 1 1:15:26

It's done. So what was it?

Speaker 3 1:15:28

As starting next school year in Alberta. Cell phones you cannot have. Students cannot have smartwatches, smartphones, cell phones or earphones in class.

Speaker 2 1:15:39

That's amazing, that's good. That's great, it's great.

Speaker 3 1:15:41

But how many kids are going to go off the rails?

Speaker 5 1:15:44

because they can't have their phones.

Speaker 3 1:15:46

And how many parents let's make it worse, Right? How many parents are going to go? You don't have the right to tell my kid they can't have their phone. Or let's say the teacher does what would have happened when we were in school? And takes that item whatever it is now it's a phone, but back then it would have been like a note or like a comic book away. Now you're going to have parents who are like those parents yeah that are like, how dare you take I paid for that phone.

Speaker 3 1:16:13

You stole my kids phone. Like, oh, it's going to be bad this place is. How dare you take I paid for that phone.

Speaker 1 1:16:16

You stole my kid's phone.

Speaker 3 1:16:16

It's going to be bad, this place is so screwed.

Speaker 1 1:16:18

But I hope that's what we're going to see. But somebody needs the balls in that organization to stand up and say, cool, then your kid can go to a different school. Bye, but that'll never happen.

Speaker 5 1:16:27

I know, but they need the law Maybe it'll happen.

Speaker 4 1:16:32

I think we're just in different circles. Do you feel like there's many parents?

Speaker 5 1:16:34

out there. That would do that. Yes, you do. I think that all the parents.

Speaker 3 1:16:37

I'm friends with. We all know that parent. Yeah, you're right. Probably in our circles we all know at least one parent like that.

Speaker 1 1:16:42

At least one, and it's the loudest, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease as they I love it, the education, the education minister

Speaker 5 1:16:55

but, here.

Speaker 3 1:16:55

But here's the issue. And people I was listening, I'm a talk radio guy, so listen to this all day. People were calling in and brought up good points. They said so why did we have to make this a policy like? Why couldn't teachers just say these are the rules in my classroom, so put your, put your phones in the bin there and if there's an emergency you can check your?

Speaker 1 1:17:14

phone, because if they're not backed by the principal or the school board, they'll get they'll get sacrificed and that's that's. They're scared of that. Why wouldn't they?

Speaker 4 1:17:21

be right, because their parents will come after them and they can say, hey, and now if the school board won't?

Speaker 1 1:17:26

back them, then they're worried they're going to lose their job because they took a stand on something that's kind of a ethic. It's not an ethical issue, but it's an issue that they've decided. I'm drawing the line in the sand.

Speaker 2 1:17:36

Um, without backing of the bosses, they're screwed but that's a society like that is happening so much. That's part of the reason we're in this problem is everybody in society. They will kind of like, pass the back, the buck up the chain and the channel, pass it back down, in the sense that, like if the teacher does something that's not popular, they are probably worried their administration's 100.

Speaker 2 1:17:54

Right, their administration's gonna say about their job right and versus saying if everybody just made a conceited effort to say like no teacher said no phones in her classroom, uh tough yeah you don't like it, sorry, that's the rules yeah if it was supported throughout the levels of the administration. The problem is everybody's afraid to take that hard action because of the consequences. Blah, blah, it's unpopular it is unpopular.

Speaker 2 1:18:14

It is unpopular. And to go back, I was listening to I don't know what I was listening to yesterday, but they said one of the things that came up. It might've been about the cold. Plunging is like the people that came before us not too long, you know, 80, 80, a hundred years before us. Okay, life was fucking tough. Horrible, right, they were- 1920s.

Speaker 3 1:18:31

Yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 1:18:32

Right. They were tough men and women and they were saying like life has gotten way too easy for everybody and the only way out of that is we have to purposely seek out really hard things. And most people don't purposely do that, because they're hard.

Speaker 1 1:18:47

Because they're hard, it sucks and, like I said, it's because, like I literally was thinking, driving here, thinking about the idea of comfort, and I was thinking, driving here, thinking about the idea of comfort, and I was thinking like that's, that's what it is, because comfort, I think comfort is the death of growth, because who doesn't love being comfortable? I would love to sit on my couch and, you know, curl up in a blanket watch tv for five hours.

Speaker 1 1:19:07

That's awesome, but but if you do that consistently, then you you're not growing, because you're not feeling of ick that you get after day two but we, but we do like.

Speaker 2 1:19:17

Here's the thing I don't know if that I don't know if that's everybody.

Speaker 1 1:19:19

I think that because it's we have a different mindset right now that we want to seek out the hard things so that we grow and so that we're not staying stagnant and that we're doing something with our lives. But I think the average person and don't take this, I'm not trying to be up here on the high horse or anything but I think a lot of people they don't feel that way about comfort. They feel like I worked eight hours a job today that I didn't, like I just want to sit and enjoy myself and do nothing, and so they don't feel gross after doing that.

Speaker 4 1:19:50

You said they worked eight hours, so they did something in their mind to deserve that. It's also your circle. It's also your circle.

Speaker 3 1:19:56

So take somebody who wants to make change in their life and they have nobody around them supporting them. So how do you make that change? So, like the cold plunge, it's a good example. There's not a morning where I'm like, yes, let's go cold plunge, but do it every day, because it's just one of those things where you start hearing people talk about it and people you look up to talk about it and you're like, okay, I'll try. It's the same as jujitsu. You asked about jujitsu. You're in a circle and people are doing a certain thing whether it be hockey or whatever it would be and then you're like, okay, I want to try that thing because everybody else is enjoying that thing. So I'm going to try that thing. Might be fitness or cold plunging or playing soccer, whatever, but if you don't have that circle, how does a person break that?

Speaker 1 1:20:39

It's hard. I think you have to go find. I think you have to go find those people, is that? And I don't think people? It's hard, right, and I think in the day where we're living on our phones and stuff, it's hard to go and find that group of people.

Speaker 4 1:20:49

But you don't have to find physical people though. There's enough people though I think you have enough podcasts. Yeah, you're right to actually support your that we didn't have 15 years ago, but you got to look for them. You do have to, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 1:20:58

Maybe you don't have to physically, but if you can find those people, it makes it's a game changer and this is where, like we talked about time before, but like communities of people, like that's where you have strengths of, like jujitsu gyms or crossfit gyms, or where there's just that built-in community of people who, if you don't have those people in your current life, you jump into one of those gyms and all of a sudden you have-. You have the community 20 people in a class. Who are all?

Speaker 5 1:21:19

trying to do something.

Speaker 1 1:21:22

And it's like you said, the hardest thing to do was to go to the gym the first time.

Speaker 5 1:21:25

It's intimidating as hell, it just is.

Speaker 1 1:21:27

And I find, even when I stop going for a while just to go back, I'm like uh, and you feel like everybody's looking at you and you don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 3 1:21:35

Nobody cares. Oh picture time, Nobody cares.

Speaker 1 1:21:38

Yeah.

Speaker 5 1:21:39

But it's just in our minds.

Speaker 1 1:21:40

It's all it's all.

Speaker 3 1:21:41

It's all a. I'm not going to curse, but you know what I'm trying to say. But you also bring it back to um drinking right. We were talking about the way you guys have a huge, huge run that you guys have been all working really hard towards. And here's the issue is that I also work in a circle where indulging in heavy alcohol consumption is like the regular, but in my life it's not.

Speaker 4 1:22:13

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:22:13

Like if I buy a case of beer, it is going to last me, and I mean like 12, like what we used to call a case. Then it was 15, 18, 30. I'm going to get a cube of beer. If I buy a 12 pack of beer. It's going to last me months. Yeah, like I just don't. I just might watch a hockey game, like I just want a beer right now. Right, but my circle is so small now because it I just don't enjoy going and getting shittered for sure and having like 15 beer. But then I'm not the guy who does that. So I'm like the weirdo right.

Speaker 4 1:22:45

Yeah, there's a trend in that, because even when we we all started the nursing home, that was a lot heavier for sure the social circles. It was and that that's been going away and it's kind of switching a little bit. I think it's just taken the outskirts of the elderly home, like where you would work, and it's different. It's going to take a little longer, I think, to kick in Right.

Speaker 1 1:23:07

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's hard. Honestly, it's hard for me to determine if it's the culture has changed or just the people that I'm close with in the culture.

Speaker 3 1:23:16

Aren't into that. It's your, it's your circle that you're with. I think so too.

Speaker 1 1:23:20

Yeah, because there's still those guys that want to go out and you know, drink after all the time, after you know doing a shift, and uh, they probably still do, but I just don't and whatever like if that's I don't care, yeah, for sure for me and I can only speak for my own opinion, and how I feel is that, like I, march 2020 was the last time I was intoxicated by alcohol.

Speaker 2 1:23:41

Um, that's crazy yeah, right, are you totally off the bottle?

Navigating Social Pressures and Personal Priorities

Speaker 3 1:23:43

now, well, I'll have like one, yeah, in, who knows? Like one every week maybe, but for me it was just. I hate being hung over, right, I hate wasting day, and now I have a routine, and I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure you feel the same way. I like structure and I like routine. I like to know that I'm getting up at this time. I'm going to make my meal, I'm going to cold plunge, I'm going to meal prep. On Monday, sundays, I'm going to go to jujitsu. So if it's affecting my jiu-jitsu game, right, I will not do it, right, yeah, I have a hard enough time with food because I'll go off the rails and have like a 1500 calorie night and the next day I'm like, oh, my stomach hurts. But yeah, that used to be alcohol for almost probably all of us at some point in our life and now I, just, you know I, it doesn't appeal to me at all.

Speaker 2 1:24:31

It's interesting to watch the circle, though, like you said, like your circle change or get smaller with people who have very similar goals and it just keeps getting. For me, anyways, maybe it seems to just keep getting smaller it's a good point.

Speaker 2 1:24:45

I never thought about that right um, smaller or change in that, and it's like I'd credit maybe a very like tiny fraction of this to the podcast. But, like, I've talked to a few people that I don't talk to very often and they're like, yeah, like I was listening to you talk about so-and-so and I like I have this same experience with so-and-so and I was like what the fuck? Like I would have never guessed that you had like the same. Maybe like we shared some of the same opinions about some of these things. You know, um, you know, like the drinking like most I feel like most of people in my life don't drink anymore or really like drink extremely infrequently. Yeah, I, and I feel like that's like the trend going on among people our age or our group, but it's not, it's just the people in our life completely choose to surround ourselves, yeah which skews your opinion of it right for sure because you think, oh, it's everybody, but it's really not, it's just.

Speaker 1 1:25:32

But that's a good thing it is.

Speaker 2 1:25:33

And I, man, you know how like shitty you must feel or like have felt. You know like you go out and you drink and you smoke and eat like shit and you get up and you repeat, and you repeat and every day repeat, and it's just like you're in a tailspin and at some point you must feel so shitty.

Speaker 2 1:25:50

But that's baseline we're talking about baseline, baseline, your baseline is shit, your baseline is shit and you're like no wonder you can't eat. Well, you can't work out, you can't fucking sleep Because you just keep like you're literally stuck in quicksand, yeah Right, and like to get out of that, I suspect after a while, requires like a Herculean effort.

Speaker 3 1:26:08

But think about the things that we don't even know so like. That can't be good for your relationship. That can't be good as a parent when you're hung over in the fucking morning and you can't get out of bed Totally. You know you're still smelling like booze and you got to drive your kid to hockey.

Speaker 5 1:26:19

What's happening right now?

Speaker 3 1:26:20

Yeah, but we've all been there, we've all made those decisions and it's just hard now because now I'm hard judging people on that. Now To the point where I just I'm like I'm out, I have one drink and I'm gone, see ya because, I don't want to be around drunk people like I just it's the.

Speaker 2 1:26:38

I do not enjoy it at all um, it's interesting this ties in maybe more to wealth. But the guy I was listening to on the modern wisdom he was talking about like another person that he read or listened to, how there's like three categories of things in his life, uh, that that are categorized, and it's like I need to, I want to and I should. Okay, he's like you know, I need to take my kid to school this morning. I want to go to the cabin with my family this weekend, cause I love it. We should go to Matt's birthday party and he's like as soon as you kind of take control of and specifically in the context of what he was saying wealth like money but I think it applies to like the health side of this conversation too is like as soon as you take control of that stuff, he's like the should barrel you get rid of, right, like, oh, I should go out for beers with these guys Because should is an option Totally.

Speaker 2 1:27:26

Okay, gotcha it's like, oh, I should go out for beers with these guys. But like why, right, fuck, I don't need to go for beers, right, it's just you cut off that one. And then you're stuck with the need and the want, which are the two important ones Totally.

Speaker 3 1:27:42

But we live in a society where I believe that, whatever that thing is, I should go to this person's birthday party or I should go for beers with these guys. Then you're judged based on that decision, which really sucks because there's no ill will, it's just I don't. I can remember skipping out at a function we went to um like a fundraiser and it was like 10 o'clock. So Matt's going home because he's got to go roll in the morning, right, like that's. So I grabbed my coat and I get from numerous people at our table when are you going? I'm going home, coat, and I get from numerous people at our table where are you going?

Speaker 3 1:28:17

I'm going home, yeah, well, why are you going home? Because I want to go home, yeah, why is that an issue? Well, what you never see us? Yeah, but I have other things I want to do tomorrow and I want to feel good. Do you know what I mean? And then you know that that conversation steamrolls when you leave and you're that guy, you're this guy, but I don't really care, but it just sucks that that has to happen.

Speaker 4 1:28:35

Like. Why would you ask that? That's like an ego primitive tribe thing where you're not part of the tribe because you're leaving. Your other things you're doing are more important than us, and that's a terrible egotistical way to look at things but it is 100% done. I've done it to people.

Speaker 2 1:28:57

I, yeah, but I also think, yes, totally, I, I know because I've felt this way, and it's a if you. I think if you can recognize it and label it, it's a good thing, but if you can't, it's like a fucking cancer is like. In that scenario, all those people that are like why is matt going home? Okay, I'm gonna give him a hard time why are you leaving, bro? I think a good part of them is like fuck my life, right, matt's doing what he wants to do, matt's going to train and I am stuck here because I can't or won't leave, right? It's that like that feeling of like, almost like they see you succeeding in something and they want to drag you down to make you feel better, which is a shitty thing.

Speaker 4 1:29:27

But I also think there is a degree of that to that oh, yeah, that's a whole another conversation about not being happy for other people's successes that I don't want to get into right now. Yeah, and I don't even necessarilyher conversation about not being happy for other people's successes that I don't want to get into right now.

Speaker 2 1:29:35

Yeah, and I don't even necessarily like, mean, like not being happy, right, but like. I think, people get really, really concerned when they see other people succeeding. Yeah, and it's not because they know they're not. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 1:29:49

I don't know if it's concerned, but they it makes them feel yeah, but they it makes them feel yeah, like uncomfortable 100, because it makes them feel like I should be doing more. Even if they can't like consciously state that, I think subconsciously it's like I should be doing more for myself. It's like it's. It's like you'll find the same people who, if you like, are doing really well in the gym and you're starting to look like you're starting to look like fit or whatever that they almost like. Make it like fun of it like all y'all.

Speaker 1 1:30:15

All you ever do is work out or make fun of your food that you're eating completely because in the end they kind of wish they had the discipline to do it so that they could look a certain way or get in shape. And there's certain people who are just like joking around and it's that they don't mean that way. But there's definitely the difference. There's different people who they do do it specifically and almost like make a joke of it because they feel bad about them not doing it.

Speaker 3 1:30:39

And it is what it is it almost circles back to what you were talking about. We were talking about, like taking trips and going to concerts and things like that. It's almost like I believe some people have that mentality where it's like you talked about, it all circles back to like hard work too Right, like why would I want to leave this good time? Yeah right, and get up early and be productive, because you know what, tomorrow I might be dead. So I want to have a good time now and my good time revolves around loud party, lots of booze, stand up till two in the morning and getting up at five. I think it's just priorities, but at the same time, like playing the devil's advocate. Can I, can I, uh, can I even criticize them for those decisions? Because for them that's fun?

Speaker 2 1:31:22

yeah no, I don't think you can. I don't think you need to like. The thing is, you will choose. You get to choose who you surround yourself with. Like criticize yeah, yes, no. Maybe the feedback that they're going to get from that lifestyle will probably not right, they're dying, they're dying one drink at a time, if that's their definition of happy yeah, exactly, you can

Speaker 2 1:31:44

ultimately only worry about yourself, and that's tough right because you care about those people we did. We talked about this a little bit in our last podcast with Hattie because, like I, just I've been judging the fuck out of people oh, yeah, yeah right, have you done it?

Speaker 1 1:31:57

yet like actually talk to them like you're a bro take out the oreos

Speaker 2 1:32:02

no, but it's. The thing is is like, because I can only control what goes in my cart. Have I been perfect in the last 10 years? Fuck, no, obviously not.

Speaker 2 1:32:09

Anybody that knows and you're still gonna have some of that stuff totally right, anybody has seen me go through like massive swings dinosaurs yeah, let's go right and and something I don't know, maybe like a little bit of ego, a little bit of humility, saying like, yeah, like we all fucking fall off the rails at times, but I can only control myself. So when I see somebody else rolling out of costco with just a carb heavy cart and I'm just like fuck man, this is not the answer to your problems and and I don't have all the answers, but I have a couple answers for myself. They might be the same answers for you.

Speaker 1 1:32:39

And that's all you can do.

Taking Control and Personal Responsibility

Speaker 3 1:32:40

I think your mouth's kind of watering a little bit when you look at that card. For sure You're a little jealous.

Speaker 1 1:32:43

Oh God, yeah you said something a while back and it's something that we've talked about offline and I videos we're going to do, but it's the idea of taking control and it's the like, the idea that, again, we're only responsible for ourselves. We can only do things for our own lives. Uh, we can try to influence other people in the right direction that we or we feel is the right direction, but in the end, we can only control ourselves. And so what? This idea of taking control has been like obsessed.

Speaker 1 1:33:11

I've been obsessing about it a little bit I have and I can tell you, the moment that it came to me, uh, it was over christmas and I was uh at my in-laws in hannah alberta and I was running. I was running, uh, doing a like a 10k out. Uh, I was like the day before christmas and I was listening to a couple podcasts and one of them was, um, chad Wright and Andy Frizzella, and they're talking about just like business and all these things. But one of the something they said uh was about just the control, the controlling your life, like taking control of your life in every aspect.

Speaker 1 1:33:46

And ever since then, I've just been like just smashing around in my head, um, and that's something that I think it just should be a motto in general and any possible facet you can in your life, take control of it, whether that's uh, finances, health, um, like I don't know every, literally everything your family, uh, what you, how, what you learn, what you like consume, like, like digitally, all all the things right, and there's no end to it.

Speaker 1 1:34:15

And so it's insanely hard because it's to pay attention to all of it and to be good at all of it at all the times. It's not going to happen, it's impossible, it's a losing battle. But I think if that's like, it's like if you can keep something, it's almost like meditation, where the more you think about something or the more you focus on something, the more you see it and the that you can basically catch it when it's not happening and then maybe bring it back right. Anyway, it's been really just bang. It's just been really bugging me about trying to keep that in my mind. I think it's the idea of people who are super overly positive and always think about the good things. They tend to feel like more good things happen to them and I don't think you're manifesting good things, but when you're focusing only on the good things, it you just happen to see them more.

Speaker 3 1:34:59

And so you see less bad things. Well, you kind of touched on that earlier right when you're like when you're in a war zone, let's say and you know, you're just trying, kind of been trying to take that on too, because discussions with my wife and I about different things and you know, things that don't matter, it's amazing how much we let them bother us for sure, like things that you, that you cannot change and you have zero control over, but yet it just eats you up and it's just a matter of having.

Speaker 3 1:35:30

It's nice having somebody else who can check you and be like, and not not to piss them off or anything, but to say, hey, uh, cj, you know, can you change that?

Speaker 3 1:35:40

no, you can't so like let's just chill, like I know, I know you don't want to hear that right now, but if you can't change that thing, why are you letting it bring you down? Yeah, right, and there's so many people that we all know that they just let these things just eat them up and destroy them, but you can't change them you can't change that thing.

Speaker 4 1:35:58

You know who loves hearing. That is my wife, but it's such a true thing. But yeah, she's fixates on things too, though, right we all do, we all do, we all do.

Speaker 3 1:36:07

I do the same thing, god and but but if you can catch yourself, if there's some way you can program that to catch yourself and be like can I even change? And that. And I think that's a practiced muscle.

Speaker 2 1:36:16

It is, it is Right.

Speaker 1 1:36:18

And because we know people that the COVID thing, we know people that it literally consumed their lives, like the government, whatever, I lost a good friend because of COVID. Whatever the portion of it is right, yeah, whichever side, it doesn't matter what side you're on on that, because people on both sides got so consumed with the thing that it.

Speaker 1 1:36:38

It became everything right their whole life. And and again, we had no control over it. You had control. The only thing you had control over is your actions and what you decided to do based on whatever the information you had.

Speaker 5 1:36:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:36:48

But and then move on with life, like you make your decision or decide what you are going to do personally and then move on. But if you're letting the idea of the government and blah, blah, blah, like whatever side of it, if you let that consume you, it became it's super easy to go down rabbit holes on Twitter and get in the echo chamber of like whatever right, and so it's hard. It's very, very, very hard, and this is the kind of thing that I've been keep thinking about is like it doesn't matter what it is, but there'll be something in the middle of the day where you've realized that I am not doing the thing I could do to control my portion of this or to own my portion of this, like, yeah, that's pissing me off and I can't do anything about that, but what can I do to deal with my side?

Speaker 1 1:37:34

Is there anything? I can't do anything about that, but what can I do to deal with my side? Is there anything I can do? No, then maybe I just need to back away. Or is there something that I can actually insert into this to actually try to fix this or help? It's like practical mindfulness. Completely.

Personal Control and Self Mastery

Speaker 2 1:37:43

Right, like in, like oh, I'm going to review my circumstance. Can I change this? No, and I've had a lot of people yourself included, jason who've like had like some like conversation with me, being like, hey, idiot, can you change this? Like no, you can't, okay, like stop I don't practice what I preach, though not well, none of us do, but man, it's so funny, um, like the the theme of take control and like I mean, do you? These two numpties happened, but do you listen to bedros koolian at all, who?

Speaker 4 1:38:08

yes, okay, there we go.

Speaker 1 1:38:09

No, he's the way, he's the wayne gretzky of the he's the wayne gretzky

Speaker 2 1:38:11

business uh whatever he's, he's, he's the Wayne Gretzky of the year. He's the Wayne Gretzky of business. Whatever, he's another duplicate of the same people we all like who are very interested. Sorry, man, this keeps cutting out.

Speaker 4 1:38:21

What's his name?

Speaker 2 1:38:22

It's okay, bedros Kulian, he's just, he's generally interested. He's like, from what I've heard him say, his personal values align with ours, right. One of the things he says is self mastery is the goal, which is, I think, a synonym for taking control.

Speaker 3 1:38:36

Right.

Speaker 2 1:38:36

And like the self mastery of hey, I don't drink anymore.

Speaker 2 1:38:41

Right I that's. That's something I can control. I don't drink anymore. I am generally getting up early in the morning getting sun. I'm not perfect at it, because none of us are right, but I can control when I get out of bed, something I'm trying to get better at. I can control whether, when my alarm goes off, I immediately grab my phone and flip through it or I just get the fuck out of bed. Something that men maybe don't talk about enough and it's awkward for some dudes is pornography. Terrible for you, fucking terrible for you.

Speaker 3 1:39:15

Terrible for you, All right sure.

Speaker 4 1:39:17

Especially when you look at kids who are like 25 and under.

Speaker 3 1:39:22

It depends on what your search is.

Speaker 4 1:39:23

Yeah, no, when the kids who are watching pornography are 25 and under Should have prefaced that one. Yeah, but for developing mind. I know what you mean. I think in general, man.

Speaker 2 1:39:34

That's maybe a personal position, but like take control.

Speaker 3 1:39:36

I've heard that a lot. Yeah, what can?

Speaker 2 1:39:37

I can control. I can choose to do X, Y, Z, and I can the easiest thing I can. I can choose not to do a lot of stuff Great. I can choose not to drink. I can choose not to waste my brain, my dopamine, on pornography I can.

Speaker 3 1:39:50

I can choose not to eat shitty food I can grow under all these compounding choices and they will compound rapidly yeah, and it, like you said, the more things you can control, I think your life just gets better totally and people think the wrong thing about control the thing, like don't tell me what to do because, I'm in control. That's not what you're saying, not at all. No, it has nothing to do with that. No, no, authority like that's not what we're saying.

Speaker 1 1:40:12

Yeah, no, not at all. It's like it's literally figuring out what it is in your life that you, what matters to you and how can you make it yours, how can you make sure that you have the influence on it and the outside things don't have the influence, don't influence you to make a decision that you don't necessarily want to do, and whether that's how you spend your time, how you spend your money, whatever, it is right. There's a million things you could think of, but but, like you said, it's purely something that I'm just trying to remind. It's almost like that memento mori thing we were doing a while back.

Speaker 1 1:40:43

The idea that like, like, uh, just reminding yourself that you know we're gonna die, when you're gonna die one day, is the idea is to just keep reminding yourself that this moment is important. This now, here, right now, what we're doing, having this discussion like this is fun idea is to just keep reminding yourself that this moment is important. This now, here, right now, what we're doing, having this discussion, this is fun, this is great. Guys, don't do this. Who sits around and talks for three hours, whatever an hour and a half here and just has a conversation? You're right.

Speaker 1 1:41:08

We don't do that anymore, and that's why I personally love doing this podcast. I mean, it's just fun to do.

Speaker 4 1:41:16

I think, if you think about it, our parents would have done this just without mics at a table all the time.

Speaker 3 1:41:21

Completely no TV, no phone, just playing cards. Music maybe on in the background.

Speaker 1 1:41:25

So maybe there's some sort of something that's weird about this thing, then right, and I agree, because that was just, they did it because it was enjoyable and they got the fellowship out of it and they really connected out of it. But I think the process of these, this podcast, the idea is that we can't always be with the people, all the people, but maybe they can get something out of this while they're listening and and and take something away, whatever it is. But I don't know, man, I just I'm super obsessed with this idea of control right now for personal control and I suck at it sometimes and we all do, and we go through phases of like I'm on point today, I got up, I got in the plunge.

Speaker 4 1:42:06

Productive.

Speaker 1 1:42:06

Yeah, it wasn't even hard, I just loved it. And then other days it's like this morning, I'll admit it this morning, like this morning, I'll admit it this morning. Last night I told myself because I've missed about four or five days now.

Speaker 5 1:42:17

In a row. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 1:42:19

So last night I told myself I was like I am getting in that thing in the morning. I didn't.

Speaker 3 1:42:23

Oh my God, I didn't do it. You got that expensive one too, I know dude.

Speaker 1 1:42:29

So I felt like shit.

Cold Plunging Benefits and Challenges

Speaker 3 1:42:36

Sorry, shit, sorry not no, you're good, you're a neurocover customer. Yeah, I figured it out finally, like how to get cold water, yeah, yeah no, no, I got.

Speaker 2 1:42:39

I'll tell you after. Okay, but have you seen neurocovers? New cold blunch. Sorry, it's not a podcast. We don't talk about fucking cold bling, it's true, I mean the two, the 2.0 with the light, what's? The difference they've got in it, like if they got one with like a chiller that you can buy. Yeah, I heard that. Heard that when you were talking to Hattie. Yeah, the inlet and the outlet, but what's that going to cost? Yeah, what's the it's $1,600.

Speaker 3 1:42:56

Good Lord, Mine's $100. Mine was $80. I get that. I know but and I finally figured out I can share this because people probably want to know who have the cheap one. Yeah them in your deep freeze.

Speaker 2 1:43:18

And then you, I have uh roll, uh um insulation around the neuro cover and on top, like, like fiberglass like, no, no, like, um, uh, it's reflective it's almost like you know you put your car okay, yeah old people put in their car, so their dash doesn't get hot or whatever and it's just like that and dude, I can keep that thing perfect.

Speaker 5 1:43:30

What's the?

Speaker 3 1:43:30

temperature. Do you know right now? Yeah, it's probably this morning. It it was five something.

Speaker 2 1:43:35

That is chilly In your garage.

Speaker 3 1:43:36

Yeah, In the summer, In the winter I could. The winter it would get to one degree and I would do that.

Speaker 2 1:43:40

It would be insane. How many one galloners are you putting in?

Speaker 3 1:43:43

It depends on how hot it is outside. So, like I, when I get out of bed I'm not at that point. So I'll put two in and then I'll do all my morning stuff, and it's about an hour, an hour and a half later, and it gets down to like five. That's a good one, and then at night, before I go to bed, I put two more in. Ah nice.

Speaker 2 1:44:06

I don't have a dedicated. It doesn't cost anything, well, except for the freezer.

Speaker 3 1:44:11

Oh yeah, it's just like an old fridge I have and then we have like a little tiny Costco deep freeze, but anyway, that thing is like it's good. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2 1:44:17

And, like it's hard to just drag this back, it's hard to be on 100% of the time Always yeah. And my hopes is that nobody's listening is like fuck, like come on, like you hypocrite, because like I'm like super hurt. I haven't cold plung. What the hell, bro? I know I only started because you guys and I will get back in it.

Speaker 1 1:44:37

I've and I just keep you. Just, you know, you just keep delaying it a day, right, like yeah, and that's the problem is you miss you. I think I feel like if you miss more than one day at a time.

Speaker 3 1:44:41

It just goes down. That's literally the rule. Yeah, never miss more than I had a big mac, so I might as well have three.

Speaker 2 1:44:46

Yeah, exactly, you know what I didn't diet yesterday, oh, I fucked up today. Well, like you just thought you cannot miss more than one day. But if you're like cognizant of these things and trying to do the right thing, right, like do I get up every single morning and make it to the gym in the morning or go for a run, no, no, I just don't Right, right.

Speaker 3 1:45:04

But the majority 80-20?.

Speaker 1 1:45:06

Yeah, completely, yeah, completely, and that's all you can do. That's the other thing. I think you have to allow yourself the grace to to to mess up and then just accept that and get back on. Like the thing is, if you wallow in that that screw up, if you, if you get down on yourself I'm a piece of shit because I didn't do it today, and then you get in that net frame of mind, I think it makes it hard, easier to keep going down that that path. Like we talked about momentum, like it is a huge thing, you, you ride that momentum sometimes and if it's, if it's down, going downhill, sometimes that thing flies down but it's nice to have that social circle to keep you accountable, for sure, like you, you guys are talking about well, how many days did you miss?

Speaker 3 1:45:48

and right, no, did you go run? Or whatever it might be if you don't have anybody saying that to you yeah it's. It's a hard battle. Yeah, it's gotta be a super hard battle.

Speaker 1 1:45:58

Yeah, we're lucky. I mean that's. That's the one thing about the nursing home, honestly, is uh, if I ever quit, that'll be the thing I miss. It's just uh. It's.

Speaker 3 1:46:06

It's uh where I found the people right, the people to kind of, you know, do this with, obviously, but like to push yourself and to have some like-mindedness, and uh, it's yeah, without that, I think your spouse is probably the yeah, that one support because yes because if that's causing any sort of um, like if you want to go on a trajectory and you want to get to a certain point or achieve a certain thing and it's not jiving with home life completely and and values, it's so hard yeah, like if somebody's crushing like ice cream bars and chips and you're like man, I just want to do this race, but this isn't supportive, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 1:46:42

Like you can't help me out for two minutes and that could be really hard, as well, it'd be a lot of tension there for sure.

Speaker 2 1:46:46

Before you know it, your wife is carnivore with you again, or vice versa at this time.

Speaker 1 1:46:49

She's, she's all keto like it's just like I'm sorry yeah, I think I can only speak for myself, but I'm super lucky in that like just very much supportive and, uh, usually on the same page with most of those things. So other than she won't get in that cold bath.

Speaker 3 1:47:04

But that's different, though. That's.

Speaker 2 1:47:06

That's like physical pain, though like that there's, there's like that takes a long time to get, trying to get her in there. But yeah, I I'm going to cold plunge tomorrow Fuck.

Speaker 1 1:47:16

That's what I said last night.

Speaker 3 1:47:17

I know when you go to bed you're like damn it, I don't want to wake up.

Speaker 5 1:47:19

I know.

Speaker 4 1:47:19

That's exactly what it is. I don't want to wake up. It's so stupid.

Speaker 5 1:47:28

Has it been set?

Speaker 2 1:47:29

up since May. Well, uh well, I'll do it in the morning, cause my ice doesn't no. No, I only have two, one gallon things of ice.

Speaker 4 1:47:34

Can you do it before? I will fill those tonight and put them in the freezer. Do you do that before or after you book your plane ticket? Uh, it says nothing to the plane ticket. You've got a lot to do. I think it's the same thing I cause.

Speaker 1 1:47:42

I have intent like and if I say it out loud, hopefully it happens months and trying to see and get that heat up on while you're doing that physical activity. Yes, there's also, but there's also data to show that it increases testosterone, like significantly, like again who knows anecdotal whatever, get some, as you would say.

Speaker 2 1:48:02

Yeah, get some, get some tests um so if I say it out loud, uh, maybe it'll well, now it's on here, so like the next one you go.

Speaker 3 1:48:09

You'll be like hey, did you cold plunge that?

Speaker 1 1:48:10

morning and all 30 some people listened to it On the 18th of June.

Speaker 3 1:48:15

Thanks for listening. What's the temp In the cold plunge? Yeah, like what's your temp.

Speaker 1 1:48:21

I have it set right now at 8. I know.

Speaker 3 1:48:24

What's that like? 46? Is that a?

Speaker 1 1:48:26

sauna.

Speaker 5 1:48:27

Shut up I had it down there.

Speaker 3 1:48:29

My hands and feet hurt when I get out. I know, so I don't know if there's any more benefit. I need to go lower.

Speaker 1 1:48:35

No, there really is Like the more that the data kind of shows there really isn't Okay. But that being said, if it's like too easy again, I'm at the point right now where I probably need to lower it again. But how long For what? How long do you go in?

Speaker 3 1:48:56

Like five.

Speaker 1 1:48:56

Oh okay, you go on four and a bit see, and I was do you put your head under no? Right up to my shoulder, you don't have to put. You got a dunk. No like. Is that the first thing you do? I get in a dunk immediately and then don't forget my knees right here,

Speaker 2 1:49:03

you don't have to no, you do, you definitely don't know you don't have to.

Speaker 4 1:49:06

It's it increased your, was it mammalian? The? Dive reflex which actually makes the cold a little bit easier to sustain.

Speaker 2 1:49:12

By doing that, apparently you you get that without dunking.

Speaker 4 1:49:14

Yeah, you do. With the fat on the top of your back I say you got to dunk, you got to dunk and then, you sit up and then you're good and it's the same thing.

Speaker 3 1:49:20

And you have the current, though hey, like that's cold, I don't.

Speaker 1 1:49:24

So the culture one I have has like a one kind of A jet. Yeah, one little jet kind of near me that that doesn't Pointed right at your taint. Yeah, that doesn't Get rid of some itches it doesn't have to be on.

Speaker 5 1:49:36

I don't really, honestly, when it's on, you don't feel it that much. Do the wiggle then.

Speaker 3 1:49:39

I don't, I honestly don't move that much you shake your arms and stuff, you get a thermal layer too, oh yeah. I think I got he's doing anything. Is there really any benefit? Yes but I can only, you know, you can only speak right of course your own yeah is that I well you know, because we did jits for so long together. I would continually be like sore and strains all the time, like I.

Speaker 3 1:50:07

It would just heal and then it would be like boom, hurt again right here again something my inflammation is so low compared to every other time, my my entire life.

Speaker 1 1:50:16

That's amazing, and just that cold. And I don't even know if that's actually. Oh for sure. It is the difference in like running, like for me, like my, my shins and my ankles and stuff, If I get in there after a run, which I don't think is good for you, but if I get in there it feels, amazing. And my legs feel like so much better afterwards.

Speaker 2 1:50:33

Great, right shit do it I know you won't regret it. Oh no, I won't. Does yours have?

Speaker 4 1:50:39

that sad flop over thing like mine has right now, like it's kind of like half caved in mine's still like, the rim is still inflated um and, and it was really nice, it's all decrepit. Oh, mine is just like my room's not inflated because my cat tore it up. Oh terrible.

Speaker 2 1:50:57

Mine was like six degrees and there was a point when I was going every day I was like yeah, yeah Right, I'm going to get back in. My water's not super cold right now, so I'm going to have to do the I have to get some reflecty shit oh yeah when you get.

Speaker 3 1:51:11

It's not cheap. It's like 70 when you buy your plane ticket.

Speaker 2 1:51:13

Just buy a cooler at the same time, what kind of money do you think I have?

Speaker 3 1:51:17

you're running this podcast a lot.

Speaker 1 1:51:19

That's right, uh money you should, but I think you use it enough that you should go buy yourself a good one, nah if I were, if I were to spend money like I also have a tent sauna oh, okay, like the, yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 5 1:51:31

I think it's the same brand cover and and that's like I've been loving.

Speaker 3 1:51:34

But if I was going to make a purchase, yeah, it'd be a barrel sauna yeah, 100. My father-in-law has one and it's like feels like your skin's coming off in that thing. He does like five scoops and that thing and I gotta get out of there.

Speaker 1 1:51:44

Uh, we have a. We have a guy at work that uh built his own and it looks super good. So I want to get, I want to go see it and I kind of figure out Two guys we know work built their own.

Speaker 3 1:51:52

I don't know, Lucas Neufeld built his own too. It's like massive. It's like a 10 person one.

Speaker 1 1:51:57

Yeah, it's like a cedar barrel he built.

Speaker 2 1:52:00

Maybe we could get our podcast sponsored by a sauna company yeah. Costco Saunas for the boys.

Speaker 3 1:52:08

Costco.

Speaker 4 1:52:09

Is that a new company? Saunas?

Speaker 1 1:52:11

for the boys they're like $5,000.

Speaker 3 1:52:12

They're like $5,000. They're so expensive and they're not good.

Speaker 1 1:52:15

I have an infrared one from Costco and they just don't heat up enough. The max it gets to is 66 degrees Celsius, which is not high enough.

Speaker 3 1:52:22

And you need like 80, 90.

Speaker 1 1:52:26

So I'm going to sell that I'm actually going to sell that and then either use that money to build a cedar barrel one or just save up and buy one, a big one Cedar barrel one or just save up and buy one, a big one.

Speaker 3 1:52:35

Yeah, pull the pin.

Speaker 1 1:52:39

Yeah, follow us on things. Follow us on things I have been active on X.

Speaker 4 1:52:47

You've been very active.

Speaker 1 1:52:47

I have I'm trying to get some followers and listens At. Average Superior is our X account. I think our Twitter account or, sorry, instagram, no X is Twitter. Instagram is what Average superior average superior.

Speaker 2 1:53:00

Instagram is starting to move yeah, good job starting to do some things finally what do we have for?

Speaker 3 1:53:05

not many, I don't know how many avid avid listeners do you have?

Speaker 1 1:53:09

we're not bad.

Speaker 2 1:53:09

Honestly, I think we're like 50 yeah it's nice to have people Apparently, I don't know. It's nice to like. We don't do this for anybody but ourselves. Yeah, but I enjoy it to the point of where, if I could do it more, it'd be nice to be able to do that. Yeah, you know what I mean. So it's nice to have some support, I guess, in doing that we still have lots of t medium people upcoming guests.

Speaker 3 1:53:33

Is there any like big celebs coming?

Speaker 1 1:53:35

we have some ideas you already had like.

Speaker 4 1:53:37

Gary Gooder Gary.

Speaker 3 1:53:38

Gooder like Hattie and Shannon being on here is unreal.

Speaker 2 1:53:42

Yeah, it was good we're very lucky in our lives to be surrounded by some like really fantastic people, yourself included, thanks, funny story. So before we end this podcast, matt has been bugging me to come on the podcast for like a year and it just became a point of enjoyment for me, just being like I'm going to fucking wait as long as I can. I think they'll find you're like, hey, when is this happening? I'm like okay, yeah, we should really schedule this.

Speaker 3 1:54:05

You know what I just like to talk.

Speaker 2 1:54:08

So I appreciate it If you want to have a guest who likes to talk this podcast is significantly better when it's not Just every time the three of us just talking about the same shit.

Discussion on Testosterone Replacement Therapy

Speaker 1 1:54:16

Yeah, it always goes back to it anyway with a guest, but totally.

Speaker 4 1:54:18

Yeah, they have a different perspective yeah 100%.

Speaker 3 1:54:21

I thought you guys would have had like a check sheet of things you got to touch. There's three things Cold motion, to each other, cold plunge jujitsu.

Speaker 5 1:54:27

We'll save that for next time.

Speaker 4 1:54:30

We'll save that for part two. Yeah, I like that they freak me out.

Speaker 2 1:54:33

We do have some yeah, we have some guests that we think we'll be having soon. Nice, we need a doctor. Yeah, we do. We're still trying to find a doctor.

Speaker 1 1:54:41

If you know a doctor out there who is interested in talking.

Speaker 3 1:54:44

Maybe a good doctor yeah.

Speaker 1 1:54:46

We're looking for someone specifically who is willing to talk about testosterone replacement therapy and male hormone stuff, because it's interesting how much that's been coming up in our lives with other people that we know.

Speaker 5 1:55:00

because I think we're all going to be the same age.

Speaker 3 1:55:02

There you go, yeah we're all going to be.

Speaker 1 1:55:04

Nobody talks about this at 20. Completely. But, that being said, I wish someone had, because I think it would have been good for in my 20s, 30s to have the idea of what my numbers were then to compare to now, because I know what they are now because I went and did it, but I don't know how that's comparable to 10 years ago. So if you listen to this and you're in your 30s, there's some value for sure in going to get those numbers, just to have, so that you know how you're trending as you get older.

Speaker 2 1:55:30

Anyway, and as somebody in their 30s, if you do want to go, do it book now because the wait time is extreme, yeah, oh okay.

Speaker 1 1:55:37

So anyway, we'd like to talk to somebody about that. I am in the process of potentially going down that path. So if I do, I'm going to kind of document that I think people are interested in, kind of the process of getting TRT, and then the subjective things, like does it do anything getting TRT?

Speaker 3 1:55:55

and then the subjective things like what does it do anything? What do you feel, like that you feel better, all these things. So I think it's really important because why? I know you're trying to wrap this up but, um, why is it?

Speaker 3 1:56:03

I don't know if you guys have touched on this before, but if this was, we were talking about female estrogen doctors would be all behind you, like from the from the time that they go on like birth control, that they you know what I mean Like it's like you have to worry about those things, but it's so frowned upon for men to discuss and doctors are so hesitant to see where you're at and help you get to the level where you should be at. Yeah, that needs to change.

Speaker 1 1:56:28

Yeah, it's strange, I don't know what the Everything? And that's what I'd love to talk to a doctor about. What is the hesitancy in the general physician circle about that?

Speaker 3 1:56:38

It's probably because even me, I can only speak for myself again, but until recently I've always thought about that as like. As soon as you talk about that, it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 5 1:56:50

Ronnie Coleman yeah, because you think it's like anabolic steroids, but it's not.

Speaker 3 1:56:54

But the general public, because if I thought like that, every the majority of people probably think like oh, for sure yeah, you have to get past that, yeah stigma right completely.

Speaker 1 1:57:02

And that's what I'm interested in, kind of the process of it, because I mean I'll be starting on like a low dose just to try to get my levels to like a mid to higher uh test level, because I'm kind of on the low end a 20 year old, 25 year old, completely and and, as far as I can tell, there's nothing. There's. There's little to no side effects as long as you're maintaining in those ranges and not getting trying to get crazy like uh freaking ronnie coleman or something like that, but that's.

Speaker 2 1:57:28

There's a difference between physio, physiological levels of testosterone and like supra physiological right, and that's the thing is like we just want to stay in the physio and it really poses an interesting question of what are the environmental factors that have caused all this right diet, exercise, fucking toxins, whatever, whatever, and I know it sounds microplastics right, but I would love to know what people's testosterone levels 100 years ago were what's a 40.

Speaker 3 1:57:55

So high, yeah Right. Meat and potatoes, yeah, and physical labor yeah Right.

Speaker 2 1:58:01

So now, yeah, right, we have to do. Do we have to do these things Maybe? Yes, no Like is it, is it?

Speaker 5 1:58:07

Is it our fault?

Speaker 2 1:58:09

Most things are we fucked up everything?

Speaker 1 1:58:12

but yeah, and it's interesting like this. That's what I'm kind of interested in, like, despite trying to do all the right things and being semi good at being consistent, I'm still low, right. So then you take like, if you didn't, if I didn't have a okay diet and I wasn't working out and all these things, and my sleep sucks still, and that probably needs to change. But uh, things and my sleep sucks still and that probably needs to change. But uh, then where would I be right?

Speaker 1 1:58:35

so I'm just curious to see that process and that'd be good to have somebody on like yeah I'm going to, I will talk to a doctor and then I'm going to kind of document my journey through this process and see, try for the three months here, see where it goes and it's going to be a popular doctor if it yeah, yeah, maybe they won't want to be, maybe they want to be anonymous.

Speaker 2 1:58:55

Of people I talk to get the feeling from their family doctor, gp, whatever you want to call them, that the doctor just doesn't give a shit, doesn't have time and it's just like putting out fires all the time. So I think it might be hard to find a doctor that quote unquote wants to stick their neck out there and actually provide some type of opinion. But I know that there's a huge demand among the general populace for healthcare, not sick care right.

Speaker 1 1:59:19

Completely.

Speaker 2 1:59:19

And whoever's going to fill that niche is going to be a very popular it's weird that we would save money by doing that. Yeah, weird.

Speaker 3 1:59:26

Yeah, Diet exercise healthy yeah.

Speaker 1 1:59:28

Like optimal, like optimizing your health. That's that's what. Optimizing your health, that's what I'm trying to do, that's what I'm trying, that's what I think we are all trying to do to some degree. And my general doctor I like him as a person, but he just has no interest in considering considering TRT or anything like that, Because his job is to react to problems.

Speaker 5 1:59:46

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:59:47

Right instead of You're not sick so we don't need to fix anything.

Speaker 2 1:59:50

nothing wrong with you. You're within the normal range.

Speaker 1 1:59:51

Yeah and I yeah, that's that's exactly the conversation I had with him. So anyway, well, we're going to document that over the next little while and see if we can find something to talk to us about that. But we'll see, it'll be interesting.

Speaker 3 2:00:01

Thanks for coming. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 2:00:02

Yeah, we'll do it again. Been good link in our.

Speaker 3 2:00:11

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Speaker 2 2:00:16

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Speaker 5 2:00:40

Bye.

Speaker 1 2:00:43

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