EP36: A Frank Talk About Suicide and Fatherhood

Interview with Andrew Jensen / Pro Athlete, Mental Health Advocate, Suicide Survivor

HOSTED BY PAUL SULLIVAN

Andrew Jensen was an elite athlete all through the junior and university ranks. Handsome, fit and charming, he nearly reached the pinnacle of his sport, falling just a few notches short of playing on the PGA Tour. Throughout it all, Andrew was struggling with his sense of self-worth and hanging everything on his professional golf performance. Under that pressure, he played worse, and his mental health declined. He tried to take his own life three times. Now as a Lead Dad to his wife and their one-year-old son, he still worries about his own mental illness. He talks candidly on this episode about his own struggles and also about his desire to help other men in need.

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Transcript

00;00;05;01 - 00;00;23;01
Paul Sullivan
I'm Paul Sullivan, your host of the Company of Dads podcast, where we explore the sweet, sublime, strange and silly aspects of being a dad in a world where men were the primary parents, often feel they have to hide, or at least not talk about the rocks. One thing I know from personal experience is being my dad is not a traditional role for men.

00;00;23;04 - 00;00;39;28
Paul Sullivan
Whether you work full time, part time, or devote all your time to your family, parenting is so often left to mothers or paid caregivers. But here at the Company of Dads, our goal is to shake all that off and create a community for fathers who are leaders, and to welcome other dads who want to learn from us. Today I'm talking to Andrew Jensen.

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Paul Sullivan
Andrew is a professional golfer, early golfer, YouTube creator, and relatively new lead dad with a year old son and his wife, Kelly. Andrew and I met, as dads often do, on a Monday at a golf course. First rule of dating forget weekend recreational activities for yourself. I was drawn to Andrew because he was remarkably open, but not just about the pluses of being a dad, but also about some of the struggles that this still nontraditional role present for us.

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Paul Sullivan
Andrew, welcome to the company desk.

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Andrew Jensen
Thanks for having me. This is cool.

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Paul Sullivan
All right. You grew up in Canada. You live, in Florida now outside of Jacksonville. Talk to me a bit about, about your childhood and and, you know, your own dad.

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Andrew Jensen
Well, I grew up. It's funny, this framing of dad. Like, I couldn't use a better term to kind of describe my dad, but ironically enough, like, he wasn't around very much. My dad was a club, bro. My dad was a head pro in Ottawa. And even though our the stereotypical season of golf is short, my dad it like.

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Paul Sullivan
Like three and a half weeks in Canada is averages.

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Andrew Jensen
Oh if that. Yeah. If you're if you're willing for a week in the snow for sure. But yeah, like our season in Ottawa, granted, we get a lot more snow than Toronto would. Our season would be pretty comfortably from early April through October. You could you could play golf with my dad's job would be early March through November, because you have kind of at the time, the older system was the head pro was in charge of everything, wasn't just a paid position with like a director of golf is like my dad had the back shop, the pro shop, the driving range, the carts.

00;02;23;00 - 00;02;30;26
Andrew Jensen
Like he had to kind of prepare everything for the season. But then also kind of break everything down for the winter and.

00;02;30;26 - 00;02;43;14
Paul Sullivan
And back then, like there's also the financial risk I remember growing up, I mean, like the head pro. Yeah. He got a, bigger cut of, you know, shirts and hats or whatever. So the shop but he was also on, on the line because he bought that inventory himself.

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Andrew Jensen
Exactly. Exactly the same thing with, like, when my dad bought all the cards in a car breaks down. It's not the club has to do it. He had to. And same thing with the driving range. He's buying the golf balls. He's maintaining that. And my dad was it was a great business man. He kind of had everything paid off in a couple of years, basically.

00;03;02;03 - 00;03;23;17
Andrew Jensen
And and he took the job as the head pro the year I was born. So he was that an assistant from 78 to 84 and then 84 to 2000, he was the head pro. And like, my dad is 84 years old. So my dad retired, 62, like my dad still kind of went. And he's been delivering pizzas for the last 20 years already.

00;03;23;17 - 00;03;57;26
Andrew Jensen
So it's like one of those things where he was just a worker. He just grew up homeless in Montreal. In a time from Danish immigrants and, alcoholic parents, like, my dad is from an era where you, you you don't talk about a lot of emotions, feelings, those things, you show it. And and being a proud, being proud of your kids as a father, you show that you don't need to tell your kids that, so I, I mean, my dad was my hero, and my dad's the reason I got into golf, but I kind of connected the dots very early that if I wanted to spend time with my dad, I should play

00;03;57;26 - 00;04;18;27
Andrew Jensen
golf. My dad didn't push golf on me. Obviously, I had the access. But even as I progressed through junior golf and was showing a lot of ability and talent, my dad wasn't like, here's a new set of clubs every year here is new. Like my dad was like, I had junior set of clubs. I had a half set of clubs until I played my first tournament, and then I use my mom's old club.

00;04;18;27 - 00;04;38;04
Andrew Jensen
But like my dad was very much you. You earn your you earn your, your stuff. Whereas a lot of peers, especially with pro dads, you know, the new driver comes out every year. It's like you've got that because they want to give you that opportunity. And my dad was like, you, you need to prove it. You need to show that you want this like nothing is kind of a handout or.

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Paul Sullivan
Show that you were serious. Show that you weren't showing it because you know, your dad could get you a brand new, you know, title, the driver a TaylorMade driver.

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Andrew Jensen
Exactly. Because I mean, even for him, right. Like he had an equipment contract with whatever company at the time for a few years at the club. And then it wasn't just like, oh, dad signed on with pain. Therefore I'm getting all new pain kind of stuff and even golf balls. It wasn't like, you know, I was using old beat up golf.

00;05;02;20 - 00;05;29;20
Andrew Jensen
I was like, it was, you earned it. The only kind of silver spoon I had was the access to the golf course. Like we would go out. My dad would drive me out when he goes and opens the shop at sunrise, would drop me off on the 10th tee. I'd play the back nine. So it's like kind of a wrap, sneak around a little bit because there was restrictions for juniors, and then it would be chip and putt it balls for all day, and then so juniors can play at 4:00 and then go home with dad at the end of the day.

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Andrew Jensen
So it's like I'd be at the golf club as long as he works. When I was eight, nine, ten, 11 years old. And then I started working there at 12 because I had to pay for my membership. Right. But that was the deal.

00;05;41;02 - 00;05;50;00
Paul Sullivan
And you casino, it was great because because, you know, you talk about show don't tell. And that's that's a motto of mine. But you were able to sort of see like, okay, this is how hard my dad works. This is what my dad.

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Andrew Jensen
Yeah, exactly.

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Paul Sullivan
This is how. But what was it like? You know, I've always wondered this because jobs like this, you know, they seemed great on paper to be the head pro or the director. Golf. But if you have kids, they're, you know, immensely time consuming. The time for sure. All right. What was it like? What your dad from say, you know, November to March.

00;06;08;17 - 00;06;30;06
Andrew Jensen
Three months. The three months that I got him. Yeah. I mean, it was it was okay because granted, it was being in Canada like golf was done. It was winter, it was hockey time. So we watched a lot of hockey together. Yeah, we would, we would, you know, shoot, play road hockey, shoot pucks around. But again, my dad's age, he wasn't by any stretch old at the time, but he had me at 46.

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Andrew Jensen
So when he's 56, 57, 58 years old, he's not running around with me and doing all the activities with me like my friends would be doing. Their their dads would be doing. Because also, my dad wasn't one to kind of spend frivolously because he grew up homeless. He always had this fear of going back to that. So yeah, I got to spend time with him like we had season tickets to the senators.

00;06;56;05 - 00;07;10;29
Andrew Jensen
I was never a sense fan, but I was a Canucks fan and we'd always get the Canucks game and we just, you know, buy me hockey cards. And but I spent a lot of time with my dad at the pub, at the bar, basically not because my dad was a drunk, but like, that's where he would decompress after a day on the golf course.

00;07;10;29 - 00;07;31;12
Andrew Jensen
So I would go with him and then in the wintertime, it's like I'd be in there looking through my hockey cards, would be watching hockey eat my chicken fingers. He's having his Guinness, you know, and it's just like that. Was that was my time with my dad. Because when I think at home, I didn't really I can't really have many vivid memories about, like, things I did at home with my dad.

00;07;31;12 - 00;07;47;13
Andrew Jensen
My memories are sitting at the bar. Yeah, at the pub in, in in a small town we grew up in. And then my memories are the month of March. We would come down to Florida for about three weeks, 3 to 4 weeks. We'd go to Daytona Beach and we'd golf as a family. And then eventually my sister didn't care.

00;07;47;13 - 00;08;12;12
Andrew Jensen
And then sometimes it was just dad and I. So those are my my distinct memories, because at the golf course, I would see my dad. I wouldn't be able to spend time with my dad because he was so busy and also we had to be on our best behavior there. So then it was like, you know, even going into his office was a bit taboo because he's working at if if someone's coming in an assistant or a member or whatever, and your kid's just hanging out there.

00;08;12;15 - 00;08;30;19
Andrew Jensen
He was always concerned about how that reflected. And this was kind of the beginning of my issues. The beginning of my downfall, if you will, was my dad said something to my sister and I often because we both worked in the back shop, we played golf there and it was. And his two boys from his first marriage that are 60 now, like they could be my dad.

00;08;30;19 - 00;08;38;02
Andrew Jensen
They did the same thing and are great golfers. But he said, everything you do here reflects me. And that's a lot of.

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Paul Sullivan
That's a lot. It's a lot of pressure for a kid. Yeah.

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Andrew Jensen
Yeah, it makes sense, but it's not. That's too much of a mantle to put on a.

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Paul Sullivan
Kid and a 12 year old.

00;08;47;24 - 00;09;12;13
Andrew Jensen
And a teenager and a teenager because every 12, 13 year old out there fluffs the ball on the roof. All that was good. Everyone cheats at that age, right? Like it's just like you're learning. But anything I did like that a member would then tell my dad, and then I'd deal with it at home if I wasn't good on a when we went, played a tournament, the junior club, if I was a bit of a dickhead or whatever it get back, everything got back to dad.

00;09;12;13 - 00;09;32;29
Andrew Jensen
So that kind of further, reinforced everything you do reflects me. And that's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure. And especially because I was wanting to pursue golf for my life, then it becomes all this pressure on the golf course to perform, because that makes dad look good and it makes dad happy. Yeah, it might.

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Paul Sullivan
But also like as a kid, like, that's your time to be with your dad. You're getting to be with him, but you're not really there. But you're you're in the same sphere as him. You're at the course together, but, you know, it's also like, you know, as you said, it's a the sort of 90s and it's not like this is not, a high watermark for people understanding or working parents.

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Paul Sullivan
It's okay. You know, you're there, he's there to work and you're you're there. And if you're asking your dad, probably I'm sure I can imagine there's like, something simple like, hey, dad, can I go get a whatever, a hamburger or something like that? Yeah. And there's a member there. Well, who comes first? You know, as a member, you know.

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Paul Sullivan
You know. Yeah. For sure. When you, you know, you always want to be a pro golfer. Yeah. Tell me about sort of, you know, the early experience. And I don't want to play, you know, psychologist here, but you know how much of that from what you're saying, like, everything you do reflects back on your dad. How much of that did you carry with you when you you turned turned professional.

00;10;31;10 - 00;11;00;28
Andrew Jensen
Well it just. Yeah. Continue because essentially that that notion of what I'm doing is an intrinsically motivated. It was extremely motivated beforehand. It was to because you would when I played bad that's when dad and I would talk. When you play good it's the about keep it going. But when you play bad it's like, let's dissect it. So then when you're 16 years old, 17 years old, playing for a golf scholarship, playing for all these opportunities and you're playing bad, you begin to think how we're going to talk about it.

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Andrew Jensen
So now you're so far from the just playing golf, right? And even the summer I was 15, I didn't play any tournaments because I just couldn't do it. I just hated it. My mom would drive me to the tournament and like, I would be like, let's I don't want to play. I just it's too much for me. And then when I turned pro, that kind of jumped to my sponsors now.

00;11;20;20 - 00;11;39;11
Andrew Jensen
Right. Like I'm trying to impress my sponsors, I'm trying to keep my status so that they'll keep sponsoring me. And then it created a bit of a divide in my entire family and, and my dad and I have and between my mom and dad, because my dad was still home in Ottawa and I'm on the road and my dad is a member now at this place where these people are sponsoring me.

00;11;39;13 - 00;12;03;06
Andrew Jensen
And he was trying to be like the liaison, almost like defending me and like the learning curve. But what he was doing was showing all my sponsors and the people that were behind me, that maybe I didn't have what it took because I was like struggling emotionally or whatever. And we yeah, we we came he came out of the road for a couple events and watched like one time when my where my brother was category came out and the first cut, I made our tour, he was there and that was super cool.

00;12;03;06 - 00;12;20;01
Andrew Jensen
And but we had some big blowout arguments because I almost didn't. I told him, like, I don't want your opinion, I don't want your support. I don't want you to tell me what to do. I want you to just be my dad. Yeah, I don't if I want you to imagine you're an orthodontist or an accountant and you don't know anything about golf, and you're just.

00;12;20;04 - 00;12;43;01
Andrew Jensen
You're just encouraging me. Not trying to help me. Yeah, because I'm figuring this out. And in all due respect, you don't know this. Like, my dad was a great club player, played a lot of little. Making me Canadian senior champion. Like he was a good tournament golfer, but he didn't do the full time tournament thing right. He still did tournament golf while having a full time income and all the pressures back home.

00;12;43;04 - 00;13;05;22
Andrew Jensen
He didn't do just this and is living on the road. I mean, yes, he was in the military. He understood that bit. But. So yeah, and I broke his heart, man. It broke his heart when I told him those things. And then years later, it even further broke his heart when he found out how much dead I was in front point from, you know, 3 or 4 years of struggling to find sponsors, to play tournaments, all that kind of stuff.

00;13;05;22 - 00;13;25;26
Andrew Jensen
So, yeah, yeah, it was it was a pretty contentious time between him and I, in the early parts of my career, and then between my mom and dad because my mom was wanted to support and yeah, they almost they almost got a divorce when on my first year on tour and this is 20, 25, 23 years of marriage.

00;13;25;29 - 00;13;41;29
Andrew Jensen
And they just couldn't communicate because it was like they didn't know how to support me out there. They were doing it differently and they didn't know. And they each disagreed with how the other person was doing it. And then it just cause I guess so many fights at home, I had no idea. I'm on the road for eight months.

00;13;42;00 - 00;14;03;15
Andrew Jensen
I had no idea. Yeah, it was tough. It was very, very tough. And then when I found those things out, it further made things difficult for me because my, my, my dad was is and he's my hero. Like I want to impress him. I want him to be proud of me and all of these things. And back then, I mean, it didn't take me trying.

00;14;03;21 - 00;14;16;29
Andrew Jensen
It took me trying to kill myself to realize all of these things and start that therapy, that it didn't fucking matter what I did. But I always heard it from my mom on my dad's behalf, and I needed to hear it from my dad.

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Paul Sullivan
Many. Your mom was telling you that it didn't matter what you did, that you'd have to support it, but your dad wasn't.

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Andrew Jensen
Proud of you. Yeah. So he he when he would have these moments, he would have these vulnerable moments with my mom about me. He wouldn't have them with me. And he would, because he never experienced them from his dad. And he's from a generation where men. That's not what men do.

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Paul Sullivan
Yeah, they don't talk.

00;14;36;27 - 00;15;08;19
Andrew Jensen
So I would, I would, I would get this information from my mom. So in my mind, I knew all of these things. I knew dad loved me. I knew he was proud of me. I knew he support all in my mind. I knew intellectually, I knew all of these things. But in my heart, I didn't believe it. And it literally took me trying to kill myself and and seeing him kind of come to my rescue and break down radio fight like, dude, it's so hard for me to read, to talk about these things that which I love.

00;15;08;25 - 00;15;09;29
Andrew Jensen
Now that I'm a dad.

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Paul Sullivan
Right? When was that? When was that one that I was 20.

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Andrew Jensen
I was 2011, 2011 when I got out, after I was hospitalized because I tried to take my life three times seriously in my life, once at 16 and twice at 27, and the two times at 27 were about three weeks apart. And the second time I was hospitalized when we got out of the hospital in in Canada. Where you hospital in Ottawa.

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Andrew Jensen
Yeah, in Ottawa. And because my career was done, I was done playing. I had no money. I was flipping houses, I was injured, I had so much debt. It was my parents basement. Like it was just like I hurt so much and didn't know how to manage that hurt. Yeah. So the only way to stop hurting was to take my life.

00;15;49;08 - 00;16;07;25
Andrew Jensen
And thankfully, through enough therapy and study and treat and understanding this illness, I never wanted to die. I wanted to stop hurting. But in those moments, it's that. And when we got out of the hospital, he, you know, he drove me home and we get to the house and we walked in the door. And I kind of just like, anecdotally just to kind of break the mood.

00;16;07;25 - 00;16;17;02
Andrew Jensen
I mean, humor has always been in sarcasm has always been something that I've leaned on. I was like, oh fuck, the nightmare's over. And he just grabbed me and just started weeping.

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Paul Sullivan
And.

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Andrew Jensen
And like, I tell that story all the time when I talk, it's so easy. But then I spoke this summer and I tell that story at the first tee, and it was the first time I told that story. As a dad.

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Paul Sullivan
As a dad. Yeah.

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Andrew Jensen
And it's just like, no disrespect to my dad, but it's everything in my being is I don't want my son to ever not know. Right. Because genetically, I was afraid to even have children. Because I'm afraid to pass this illness now.

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Paul Sullivan
Right?

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Andrew Jensen
Because I'm afraid to pass this illness down. And I'm afraid that I all they'll bury me by my own hands. Those are my two biggest things. But with each day you can see it is what it is. But now it's like I never want my son to guess he or to get where I am, where how I feel about him.

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Andrew Jensen
That's so it's just like one of those things and it's. Yeah. So when I relive that moment and talk about that moment, I'm so lucky. I'm so fortunate. And my dad and I have such a close relationship, and now he's even seen me as a dad. But then it makes me like, man, there's so many great things he did that I want to emulate and pass on to, to Jude and that I try to emulate in my life.

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Andrew Jensen
But there's a few things that he they weren't they weren't his, his strengths and I want to kind of I want those to be my strengths as a father.

00;17;38;26 - 00;17;41;14
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. You're what you're 30, 38 now. 38, 30.

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Andrew Jensen
Nine, 38, 38.

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Paul Sullivan
Yeah, yeah. And you said, you know, you never wanted to be a dad, but but you know, you and I have talked I did, I did, yeah. But were worried about a long time. When I hear you, you know, I'm a dad of three kids. I've got, you know, 13 years on you, you know, dad wise, you know, with my oldest.

00;17;58;05 - 00;18;14;24
Paul Sullivan
But I hear in your voice the love. And, you know, you talk about Jude and how you want to be the only one, but you want to be there. You don't miss it. What was the moment where you said, okay, you know, I'm going to do this. I want to be dad. I'm confident I can do this.

00;18;14;26 - 00;18;22;14
Paul Sullivan
I know, you know, you said you're fearful of passing on this illness, but you know what? You obviously love Kelly, but. But what was it that that got you to that point?

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Andrew Jensen
Well, I mean, it's it's been a process because when I started treatment back in 2011, I started going through therapy and about I didn't really start dating until 2013. Took me a couple of years to kind of start being feeling comfortable, to open myself up to someone and be like, hey.

00;18;40;14 - 00;18;41;21
Paul Sullivan
This is me. This.

00;18;41;21 - 00;19;09;27
Andrew Jensen
Is my senior year. Try to kill myself a few times, one a day, you know? And my therapist I met, I started dating a girl down in Saint Petersburg, Florida, and I had a long time where I didn't talk to my therapist. And then it was like, I moved here to Jacksonville, actually broke up, and I started doing this, I guess, Skype with my with my therapist back in Ottawa because I was struggling and I kind of said, like I said to him, I'm like, but see, she reopened in me this notion of having kids and being a father.

00;19;09;27 - 00;19;27;21
Andrew Jensen
He's like, she didn't do that. It's like time. And you did that like time in your own work because I love kids. My sister has five kids. I love being an uncle to them. I've always been great with kids, and that's one of the things, like when Kelly first met me and all of her nephews, she saw me with them and she's like.

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Paul Sullivan
Yeah.

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Andrew Jensen
Cool with this, you know.

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Paul Sullivan
This.

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Andrew Jensen
Is.

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Paul Sullivan
Still my beating heart.

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Andrew Jensen
I know I've always gravitated because I'm a kid, basically because I'm not afraid to go lay on the ground at 35, 36, fucking 50, probably on the ground, and just roll around with a one year old in the dirt. I just, I don't know, there's something about me that I love to do that. And it just, you know, when Kelly and I were together, since we've been together and talked about those things, I still had the fear.

00;19;55;04 - 00;20;19;29
Andrew Jensen
But then it's just time and trust and and this, this illness is. It's a blessing and a curse because it forces you to be incredibly self-aware, which can be very good and can be very painful at times. And just in doing that, like, I don't believe me when Kelly told me we were pregnant, I was not excited and we tried literally, it was the first time we tried boom one and done.

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Andrew Jensen
Yeah. And it was like, I. I joke that I was like, man, I wish all my years of antidepressants made me sterile, you know what I mean? Like, but, no, I've had a lot of fear. Even when Jude was here, I had a couple panic attacks when we first got him. When you first, first born, and even the first day, because I couldn't.

00;20;39;12 - 00;20;53;19
Andrew Jensen
He was crying. Kelly was in the hospital in a bed like she'd just had a C-section. She could do anything, and I couldn't swaddle. I couldn't do this. I had a panic attack, and I got a couple times in the early months when I like the stress and it was very, very high. And the first few months are so hard.

00;20;53;22 - 00;21;14;25
Andrew Jensen
I had a few panic attacks and I was scared that I'd let him down. Yeah, in those moments, and I broke down. I had a couple of times when I broke down, and then my brain does go to what's next. Let's. You don't need to be here. I did it up. But then I have enough practice with this that I know how to stop this.

00;21;14;25 - 00;21;38;14
Andrew Jensen
I know what to do. And obviously Kelly is my biggest support system. I'm so we're so open and vulnerable that I can. I don't hide that shit from her. Like I'm feeling these things. She probably probably sucks. I'm probably tough to be around. But, yeah, a couple of panic attacks that just because it was I was in this moment, not able to provide what my son needed.

00;21;38;16 - 00;21;43;22
Paul Sullivan
But even something as simple as swaddling, something that you'll do hundreds and hundreds of other times.

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Andrew Jensen
Yeah. As reheating milk, the proper temperature.

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Paul Sullivan
Every, every fucked up everybody fucks.

00;21;49;04 - 00;21;49;15
Andrew Jensen
I know, but.

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Paul Sullivan
That bubbles up and it. Yeah, I.

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Andrew Jensen
Got it too hot, I got it. It's not hot enough. Then it's too hot then. Oh it's cold. We can't use it. I fucking threw it across the room and I broke down because I can't I can't do this. And then it was just like to kind of take your breaks and. But it's. Yeah, but there was like, I don't think there was a moment where I'm ready for this.

00;22;12;01 - 00;22;35;16
Andrew Jensen
But there was each smile I'm big on like small wins. And I think each small win throughout the course of this has made it easier and easier and easier to be like, I know what I'm doing and I know what I want to do. And that's like even this whole daycare stuff that we've talked about that my process of I put my job on complete holds, my identity, my value, my everything.

00;22;35;16 - 00;22;36;02
Andrew Jensen
I'm complete.

00;22;36;05 - 00;22;50;24
Paul Sullivan
I mean, to talk about that. How did you how did you and Kelly decide that you would be the the lead recruiting manager? And Tampa, there's more flexibility today than there was to think about. How did you decide you were going to step up and be the lead dad?

00;22;50;27 - 00;23;09;01
Andrew Jensen
Because I guess it's one of those things like that's where as a Canadian, I kind of I'm very upset with the American health care system that women like Kelly had a great maternity months. We got a year back home, even 18 months if you want it. Right. And it's like, that's a lot of time for a mother to pour into their child.

00;23;09;03 - 00;23;34;14
Andrew Jensen
And it's just there's a lot of good can come from that. I'm not saying there's no good that can come from this scenario, but the nature of my job is I'm not pursuing plane any more. I'm not traveling and playing. So we said when we don't want them in daycare at four months. So let's try six. And luckily enough, January and February are very slow months on YouTube, so it doesn't even matter if you're making the best videos ever.

00;23;34;19 - 00;23;57;20
Andrew Jensen
Advertisement. Revenues down, marketing budgets are low. So it's like that's your time to just kind of maintain, not it's like it's not the playoffs. Like it's just kind of the start of the season. Essentially, the best time on YouTube is the end of the year holiday season. Like that's the time to like from here to the end of the year is the time to make, because that's where everything ramps up.

00;23;57;23 - 00;24;20;10
Andrew Jensen
So it was like, well, I can maintain I have a few little things planned. I can maintain this for a couple of months. It's okay. We'll have someone come and help us 1 or 2 days a week so I can go to the golf course, film practice, edit, whatever it is, for sure. And then when we went to check out our daycare just before he was going to start at like six and a half months, like he wasn't crawling yet.

00;24;20;14 - 00;24;37;12
Andrew Jensen
He was just kind of laying there on his back. And we went in there and I was cool with it. I was ready and but Kelly just it did not sit right with her. She's just like, I don't want to just put him in a room where he's just going to be like, look at all these babies. They're just laying there like, I don't want to do this.

00;24;37;12 - 00;24;58;12
Andrew Jensen
And it was a big kind of argument about, like, you're asking me to continue to just stop everything because I have an unknown job, like it's I have set money I can make, but also if I stop being consistent with this. He saw it the year that you were pregnant because I had all my green card stuff. I had to go back to Canada.

00;24;58;12 - 00;25;28;23
Andrew Jensen
All this stuff where I had chunks, where I didn't upload and it hurt. Even the first month he was a lie. Like I didn't care. I'm like, I'm taking this month off like this is more important. But when you're not consistent on YouTube, you pay, you pay a price. And it was just like, what are you like? You're asking me to just completely give this all up and then almost fully knowing that when the when this is said and done, I might not have this job.

00;25;28;25 - 00;25;36;11
Paul Sullivan
So because you're one of like the, the OG you know, golf creators and YouTube. Yeah. Established quite a following. But as you said you know but I.

00;25;36;11 - 00;25;59;26
Andrew Jensen
Also I'm just to be fed more. Yeah. But I'm also now so small relative to the newer guys that are just churning it out. They're ten times the size of me. So it's like you're competing against that now even though like it's like it's like you, you you're coming off an injury plane. You're now competing against guys that have have been constantly working.

00;25;59;29 - 00;26;15;23
Andrew Jensen
Right. So it was kind of like, well, what you're asking me to. And I would put my identity just like when I was playing, I put my worth, my value in my golf score. And I still do to an extent with YouTube. It's my job, it's my value. Like, I, I'm not perfect. That's still something that I hold my hat on.

00;26;15;25 - 00;26;35;24
Andrew Jensen
But then and I it was like, well, if we do this and I come back and it's not working, well, then I have to get a real job, then we're really fucked because we don't have any flexibility that if you'd like. So it was we'll give it six more months and I'm okay. And this was completely my wife's choice.

00;26;35;24 - 00;26;56;11
Andrew Jensen
And I obviously took some time to support it through some tough conversations. And I was like, I'll figure it out. And then it just the way things shook down. We happen to sell our house and we moved and I was too. I was spreading myself too thin for the first three months of these six months kind of thing, because it would be like, I'm looking at the clock to get you down.

00;26;56;17 - 00;27;15;22
Andrew Jensen
Yeah, okay. Now he's asleep. Fuck. Stay asleep because I have to. I have this or I have to edit right now, or the sitter's coming over for three hours. I can go to the golf course. I can film. I don't know what I'm going to film, but I can film something. I can do this. I got to rush it, and it was just like I was spreading myself so thin, burning myself out.

00;27;15;22 - 00;27;22;16
Andrew Jensen
And at the end of the day, Jude was suffering because of the time I was spending with him, was constantly looking at the present.

00;27;22;16 - 00;27;24;02
Paul Sullivan
You weren't present. And I was like.

00;27;24;05 - 00;27;45;23
Andrew Jensen
Yeah, exactly. Doing emails, Instagram, comments on YouTube, like I was working well with him and it's like, stop. So we happened to move to a community where we have water parks. We bought a golf cart. There's so much for you to do. And I and we, we, we moved into an apartment where I don't have the garage to practice as well.

00;27;45;23 - 00;28;06;23
Andrew Jensen
And it's like, I, I just kind of said, like, I'm taking a sabbatical. I'm taking three months. I don't care. And Kelly supported this, and it was like, Jude's going to start daycare at a year. That'll give me the last four months of the year to go back to full time. And if if there's some balance that this is salvageable come January, we will keep this going.

00;28;06;27 - 00;28;27;24
Andrew Jensen
But if not, and I'd come to grips with this. If not, I got to find something else to do. And we all, as a family need to support this because it means this flexibility we have is gone. Jude has to be in daycare. There's no there's no pliability anymore. Because if I'm even if I'm working from home or whatever, like I'm so my time is not going to be.

00;28;27;24 - 00;28;34;12
Andrew Jensen
So whether I stayed in the in my space, whether I stayed in creative space or the golf space, like, I'm not going to have that.

00;28;34;14 - 00;28;53;07
Paul Sullivan
You're not going to own your own time anymore. You won't own. Exactly. And even then, I think like this, if people understand it. I mean, you've been doing this for years and years and years, but when we met, we met at this event where you had this whole thing, you know, mapped out. Is it Jim Furyk? For those of you who know golf, U.S. open champion, great player on the Champions Tour.

00;28;53;07 - 00;29;11;12
Paul Sullivan
Now, sponsored a tournament in in Jacksonville. We're at this course. And you had this whole thing scripted out where you were going to go with him on the back nine and then, you know, it was going to be really interesting. And what happened? The rain and the ginger. And there's like a Florida storm thunderstorm, you know. Yeah.

00;29;11;14 - 00;29;16;26
Paul Sullivan
Get the hell off the course. And so now you have these hours that you could have worked and done something.

00;29;16;28 - 00;29;17;17
Andrew Jensen
Exactly.

00;29;17;18 - 00;29;32;09
Paul Sullivan
So it's like you have this job where sure, you can probably sure. You definitely edit at night or you can do some stuff when he's napping, but you need that time to be on a golf course somewhere. And it may not always be in, you know, the greater Jackson.

00;29;32;15 - 00;29;32;29
Andrew Jensen
Home.

00;29;33;01 - 00;29;34;04
Paul Sullivan
Area and so.

00;29;34;05 - 00;29;53;11
Andrew Jensen
Well that that's a great example because we got stormed out. So now it's like this time I looked at thankfully I've been three months of kind of chilling, so my attitude was much better. Like I look back on that day and it was fucking awesome. Even though I didn't create anything, I was so happy about who I played golf with, who I connected with.

00;29;53;14 - 00;30;11;05
Andrew Jensen
It was, it was. And I enjoyed recreational golf, which has been a long journey for me to enjoy again. But then I I've been told you this because Tim Iguana was all those months of renovations that they're doing a no guest policy, so we're not able to go out and redo what we planned. Because I'd be a guest.

00;30;11;05 - 00;30;30;04
Andrew Jensen
And Jim, as, like the class act he is, he's like, he actually emailed me to tell me that because he didn't want to feel like he said, I don't want you to think I'm just blowing you off. But I'm also not going to ask for preferential treatment at the club, for sure. So four months ago, I would've been like, shit, I had this video planned for this day.

00;30;30;07 - 00;30;49;17
Andrew Jensen
Now I got to find something else to do. In this limited time I have to. And it's just like, that's okay, you figure it out, right? And then. But ironically enough, dude started daycare three weeks ago and I planned the month of September. I learned a lot from my break and it's like I'm going to plant some efficiency.

00;30;49;17 - 00;31;08;15
Andrew Jensen
I'm going to go. I went away for three days and I filmed with three channels. So it's like I made quality stuff that's going to do good for everyone involved. But it's also three weeks of uploading over the course of three days. Yeah. And I doing a lot in those two weeks. But then he's just not adjusting to daycare.

00;31;08;18 - 00;31;25;20
Andrew Jensen
And these days that I was away. I'm watching him and it's breaking my heart. I'm watching him on the on the video and he's scared. He's lonely. He's chasing the teacher around. Make sure he has fun here and there. But he's not napping. He's getting sick. And I just I'm literally in the car or wherever I was driving.

00;31;25;20 - 00;31;46;06
Andrew Jensen
I watch it and it's breaking my heart like I'm holding back tears. I said to Kelly, I'm like, we're pulling him out. We're not doing this. We can't do this. He it's a it's really expensive. And B I'm like, I can learn from what I've learned from the break from the time before the break with having some help, I can figure out what to do, but I mean, I also.

00;31;46;06 - 00;32;04;14
Paul Sullivan
You will figure it out because this is like before I started The Company of Dads, I was New York Times columnist for 13 years. Almost that entire time I was the lead dad, and particularly since 2013, when my wife started her own company, I realized that, okay, I can't be as loosey goosey as I used to be. If somebody says, hey, do you want to go to lunch here?

00;32;04;14 - 00;32;27;04
Paul Sullivan
Or daycares like now? And I literally had a schedule, Andrew, where Monday, Tuesday I would be on the phone talking to people, you know, around my kids schedule so I could pop out. Wednesday, I would write, but sometimes I have to write at night. Thursday, my dad would come down. So I go in the city on Thursday, and that was a day when I could meet six, seven, eight people on Thursday.

00;32;27;04 - 00;32;42;24
Paul Sullivan
And then I come home and it it worked after years because people said, okay, well, if we want to, you know, sit down to do Paul Sullivan XYZ. Yeah. The New York Times Thursday is the day. But those three days were planned out three months in advance. But that's like the key to being a dad is not it's not.

00;32;42;24 - 00;32;50;15
Paul Sullivan
You have a more flexible schedule. It's that you have a more rigid schedule. And you have for sure like super rigid and like, okay, and then I'm gonna be a physician here.

00;32;50;18 - 00;33;09;07
Andrew Jensen
But I think I'm lucky in that sense, because what my dad taught me, what I watched my dad do, especially a military father at a military golf club, no less. I know how to plan my time like I've always been my dad. And if you're a professional golfer and even my years of playing, I didn't have a great career.

00;33;09;10 - 00;33;23;29
Andrew Jensen
If you don't really know what you're doing any given day, you're never going to make it to the PGA tour. If you're just like, I'm gonna go to the course today and just kind of, no, you need to have a plan. You need to know punctuation. You just have to you look at all the stuff that's come out over the years of what tigers were like.

00;33;24;06 - 00;33;45;13
Andrew Jensen
Like there was no stone left unturned, no minute wasted. And it's the same thing. So I've taken these things that I've learned and now this thing that I held on to so tightly, just like when I played, it was PGA tour bus and I put myself in debt. I did all these harmful things to myself and my future by just pursuing this dream.

00;33;45;15 - 00;34;09;08
Andrew Jensen
So with blinders and such arrogance and such a tunnel vision that I, to the detriment of so many things and almost the detriment of my life and my family's like I would have. The ripple effects of me dying of any suicide are last forever, and they affect so many people and and I've I've been like that with YouTube too.

00;34;09;11 - 00;34;29;18
Andrew Jensen
I've always wanted to tell stories and that's just not working on golf, YouTube. And this time I spent three days on the road driving and playing and filming videos. I don't love to film, but they're necessary right now, and in this decision I've made with Jude, it's like, I don't fucking care anymore. I kind of, I take it back to.

00;34;29;18 - 00;34;50;14
Andrew Jensen
So when I worked at Lululemon in my offseason, Chip Wilson, who founded Lululemon, unbelievable entrepreneur, our business man, he's not that he's moved on, but one of the things he always said he was like, Lululemon was his way because he did a lot of good out. He Lululemon allowed him to do a lot of charitable work and do a lot of good, he said.

00;34;50;16 - 00;35;11;13
Andrew Jensen
If push comes to shove and I have to sell refrigerators to continue Lululemon going so I can keep doing what I get, I'm able to do for my family and my charity and all these things that I'm selling refrigerators, and that, like, kind of line from 2009. Yeah. Lives in my head because I'm saying it's not like it's my integrity is compromised.

00;35;11;13 - 00;35;33;14
Andrew Jensen
But if I have to make product review videos, if I have to just make instruction, practice videos, that's all I can do, right? I don't at this point. It's like if I'm able to continue to do this as a job, which gives me the flexibility to be around for my son until he's two years old or whatever, then I'll do it right, and it's so funny, and.

00;35;33;14 - 00;35;44;21
Paul Sullivan
You'll learn something else from doing it. You'll learn so much from doing it. And then you have this different experience and I'll take you in a different direction. We just can't do the same things when we have kids that we did before. Yet.

00;35;44;24 - 00;36;14;08
Andrew Jensen
And I've had some opportunities literally present themself in the last week that will keep me doing this. But allow me more time at home, travel less, film less. And it's like, okay, yeah. So it means if I'm starting, if I'm stepping into a role in a business that's still in this creative space and it's helping golfers, it's helping creators, it's using my expertise, my years of experience playing and creating.

00;36;14;11 - 00;36;24;09
Andrew Jensen
But I'm able to do it from home, travel less. I miss the travel. I always hate to travel less because I loved it. I lived on the road. I'm used to travel. I really enjoy great places.

00;36;24;09 - 00;36;27;00
Paul Sullivan
I mean, golf courses are nice places, you know? And there you go.

00;36;27;00 - 00;36;47;22
Andrew Jensen
Yeah, like even even like outside. I just bouncing around South Carolina, Georgia and having a shitty hotel. One night in a good hotel and just walking down to, where is this place? I can I, I like that like a professional golfer is kind of a lone wolf. I miss that and I like that. But if that means I do that once every few months that's okay.

00;36;47;24 - 00;37;07;03
Andrew Jensen
And, but I've learned this efficiency too. It's like if I'm going to go let's say to, to Dallas and film with a few channels over 2 or 3 days, that gives me a month of content. Perfect. So when I come home, my only concern now is just editing when I have the time to edit. Basically not. And I'm not going.

00;37;07;03 - 00;37;37;23
Andrew Jensen
I think the direction of videos that's going to require. I still want to be a really good golfer. I still like practicing, but if I'm like, when we played golf, I was like, I was lucky. Like I was just I haven't golfed or practiced in a while and I played great because I requested. Now you start practicing. My game sucks because the week after that I practice five days a week and it's like, because now I know what I'm doing wrong, as opposed to just kind of blindly going, so it's the direction I would go video wise would not be as much about the performance, because I won't have the time to practice.

00;37;37;26 - 00;37;46;22
Andrew Jensen
The sacrifice would be that practice time potentially indoors. Is filming time indoors cool. So that I don't have the performance stuff to film. What?

00;37;46;25 - 00;37;55;16
Paul Sullivan
What's the dad scene like where you are? You live in a place called Nocatee, which is one of the most famous fast growing communities in America. But what's the dad scene?

00;37;55;16 - 00;38;15;27
Andrew Jensen
A number one community in Florida three years in a row like this places. It's it's interesting because I'm in it. It's a it's a it's a wealthy enough area. Saint Johns County. There's a lot of moms, a lot of single moms. And we live just outside of Nocatee went to we first had you before we moved here, and I would come to a coffee shop here where there's a little splash pad and have a coffee and bring it out.

00;38;15;27 - 00;38;41;16
Andrew Jensen
And I met this group, this mom group, and they added me to the Facebook and I there's two dads. I was the second dad in it 200 and some members in and I'm watching. It's all these full time moms like. But Jude was an age. So then one of the times the Fridays coffee at this place and I go one time and I actually I was, I cried, I sat there on the bench and I cried because I get there and it's like Jude is awake.

00;38;41;16 - 00;39;03;26
Andrew Jensen
But a lot of the ones older than him are going down for that 12:00 nap. I get there at 11 1130 because Jude has woken up from there. The 930 nap when he was six months old, and I remember I kind of put him down in the grass and he's looking around because he's always been so amazing. And it's so weird how like, something's hits you as a parent.

00;39;03;26 - 00;39;24;14
Andrew Jensen
Yeah, like some things just get you. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching him just like, look at everything. And I'm sitting on this bench with my coffee, and there's a group of five moms. They're six moms. They're three. They're different. I just kids running around and I'm like, texted Kelly. I'm like, this fucking sucks. No one's talking to me and no one's talking.

00;39;24;14 - 00;39;26;18
Andrew Jensen
No, no one's talking to you.

00;39;26;21 - 00;39;27;13
Paul Sullivan
I'm.

00;39;27;15 - 00;39;46;21
Andrew Jensen
And I'm like, this is brutal. And then I joined a stay at home dad group here in Florida. And all it is, is a once a the guy post. Once someone joins, it's like stay at home dads were this weird. And then I'd see posts that were from the wives saying my husband's really depressed. Does any good, can any guy help me?

00;39;46;23 - 00;40;04;06
Andrew Jensen
But then I also notice like this. It's like you're an island on yourself because there's this misconception or potential stigma like, oh, is that a single dad? You're going to be out here hating on us or even at the pool when I bring you to the pool. Sometimes, like, sometimes he walks up. He walks up to any brunet.

00;40;04;10 - 00;40;19;17
Andrew Jensen
He thinks it's his mom, and sometimes it's cute. I'm walking to Jude's. Very, very cute. Like, sometimes it's cute. But then I had these experiences where it's just kind of like. A cold shoulder. And it's like, no, I'm not using my child to hit on.

00;40;19;19 - 00;40;22;13
Paul Sullivan
He's not a puppy. He's not a puppy is a small child.

00;40;22;16 - 00;40;39;25
Andrew Jensen
Yeah, yeah. And and it's just like I've been lucky, though, because one of my buddies who plays on tour just lost his tour card. So it's full Korn very next year. And he moved here the week we moved here, he moved from Sawgrass to here. We've been going in there. Their son's three. We literally go to the park every morning.

00;40;39;27 - 00;41;02;16
Andrew Jensen
We hit a park run because I'll take 2 to 4 parks in the morning. Swing here, slide there, just to keep it exciting and different. And I have met other dads. Ryan Lautner from the Golf Channel met him down here and like, we've become really good friends meeting other dads. But it's very there's very few that are in my situation where they're like the primary caregiver, if you will, I believe that.

00;41;02;17 - 00;41;35;10
Andrew Jensen
I mean, I meet I meet nannies and it's kind of like and it's moms or grandmothers and it's just like, it's even today when I, when we join the YMCA because they have a child's a kid's zone, it's like, great. Maybe Jude will kind of go for a workout and Jude will kind of get comfortable. I kind of know even when I put him in there for a minute after signing, I'll be screaming because he thinks it's daycare, but it's just a sea of moms dropping the kids off and you're talking to them because it's the kids are the same age, but it's it's not the same because even this group, this mom group

00;41;35;10 - 00;41;57;12
Andrew Jensen
I'm friends with on Facebook, it's the moms night out, this and that. We're going to do a wine night, and it's like, I'm not allowed to go to that. I wouldn't want to, but I'm not invited, if you know what I mean. Like, I wouldn't necessarily want to go and spend an evening with eight moms because I don't think that's respectful.

00;41;57;12 - 00;42;22;14
Andrew Jensen
I like there's just a lot of, yeah, murky area. Or if I'm communicating and texting with the wives to spend time with the, you know, I just I just don't think that's appropriate. I think that can that can be a slippery slope. And I just don't want to even open that door. But yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting because as a, as a lead that as a stay at home dad, you're kind of, you're, you're an island to yourself because also you meet dads.

00;42;22;16 - 00;42;39;25
Andrew Jensen
What do you do. Oh I'm, I'm with them all the time. And it's like oh it's a bit confusing. Luckily I'm meeting people in the golf space that I've met, people that watch my channel and they're like, that's so fucking cool. Yeah, I mean, but yeah, I still don't feel like even when we think we did swimming lessons with Jude, we didn't.

00;42;39;28 - 00;42;59;10
Andrew Jensen
I didn't really connect like Kelly and I would go to Boston. But you don't connect with the parents. A lot of it is the kids just splash around. Don't even know the parents names. Yeah, because it's just like you're splashing around the kids 45 minutes. So it's interesting. It's like this. It's a seems to me it's like a huge area of opportunity if you want, you know, like but that comes down to stigma and misconception.

00;42;59;10 - 00;43;19;26
Andrew Jensen
All of these things. But at the same token, there's there's one dad that is a dickhead. And using that as that, it ruins it for for everybody. Yeah, exactly. So I can't necessarily fault it, but it's, it's hit me in my fields a couple times because me being ignored and neglected, I don't care. I'm 38 years old now.

00;43;19;26 - 00;43;25;26
Andrew Jensen
I'm super comfortable. I don't care if these moms don't want to chat with me, but if it means my.

00;43;25;26 - 00;43;26;20
Paul Sullivan
Son or your son.

00;43;26;26 - 00;43;43;18
Andrew Jensen
Yeah. Doesn't have the potential for a playdate or a kid to sit and push a ball. So your thought preconceived notion misconception towards me is affecting my kid, and that hurts that that's the thing that hurts.

00;43;43;20 - 00;43;46;07
Paul Sullivan
Enter. This been great. Thank you for being my guest today.

00;43;46;09 - 00;43;48;07
Andrew Jensen
No, thanks. I mean, we could talk about this forever.

00;43;48;10 - 00;44;02;24
Paul Sullivan
One last question. Quick answer, quick. In a news you can use answer because you're so open. If their dad's listening to this and they're having, you know, mental health struggles. What what one piece of advice would you would you give to them?

00;44;02;27 - 00;44;25;03
Andrew Jensen
I just think you need to know. It's like you're not alone. That's the problem with with depression, with anxiety, with these things, they isolate you emotionally from everyone else because you begin to think, this is only on me. No one would care. And then that thought is very much isolating. No one I don't want to share. I don't want to burden someone with this.

00;44;25;03 - 00;45;07;02
Andrew Jensen
I don't have someone to burden with this. But just to walk it, you know, knowing that you are not alone, that there is literally someone else who has experienced this exact thing, it may manifest a little bit differently. It's powerful because that's one thing that men don't do. But when we do it, it's very powerful. When we do talk about things, whether it's feeling isolated because of what it is like, the pressure of being a dad all the time, or the grief of of something or a marriage thing, like there's other men that will happily talk about it with you.

00;45;07;05 - 00;45;26;26
Andrew Jensen
There just needs to be that someone needs to break the ice. Yeah, and I'm lucky that my past is public. So I have a I have a lot of people that lay it on me, which gets heavy to me sometimes because I become an amateur therapist. But if it helps healing, if it helps progress it, it's worth it.

00;45;27;02 - 00;45;51;01
Andrew Jensen
It's totally worth it because it's also a safe enough space where you could say to that dude that's opening up to you like, well, this is getting hard on me now. Like you, you've created a dialog. It's not just a one way thing. So it it's super, super cliche. You are not alone. It's the same thing I tell a 14 year old, because when I was 14, I thought I was the only one in my school who hated himself, who looked in the mirror and wanted to die, you know what I mean?

00;45;51;01 - 00;45;59;11
Andrew Jensen
I thought I was the only one like that, but I wasn't. Yeah, I was by no stretch was I? And there are cliches for reasons basically.

00;45;59;13 - 00;46;01;14
Paul Sullivan
Andrew, thank you again, I appreciate it.

00;46;01;14 - 00;46;01;28
Andrew Jensen
Thanks for.