EP80: What Are The Three Cords Of Fatherhood?

Interview with Rocco Carreiro / Author and Financial Adviser

HOSTED BY PAUL SULLIVAN

The three cords are work, family and self. And author Rocco Carreiro said all three need to be bound together for men to be happy and productive as Lead Dads, entrepreneurs or employees, and spouses or partners. No surprise: it's not easy to give your all to your business, your family and yourself? There are tradeoffs; it's hard. Listen as we unpack this.

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Transcript

00;00;06;01 - 00;00;28;15
Paul Sullivan
Welcome to the Company of Dads podcast, where we explore the sweet, silly, strange and sublime aspects of being a dad in a world where men who are the go to parent aren't always accepted at work, among the friends or in the community for what they're doing. I'm your host, Paul, so our podcast is just one of the many things you produce each week at the company that we have various features, including the lead dad of the week.

00;00;28;22 - 00;00;57;20
Paul Sullivan
We have our community both online and in person. We even have a new resource library for all fathers. The one stop shop to keep up to date on all of this is our newsletter, The Dad. So sign up today at the company of dads backslash, The Dad; that's the company dads.com backslash, The dad. Today my guest is Rocco Carreiro, a financial advisor and author of the three chord approach to Life and Wealth Management for business owners.

00;00;57;22 - 00;01;17;29
Paul Sullivan
The chords are work, family and self, and we're going to unpack those today as they relate to men who are lead dads. How do you give your all to your business, to your family, to yourself? Is it even possible? What are the trade offs? How hard is it? Lots of questions to answer today. Rocco, welcome to the Company of Dads podcast.

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Rocco Carreiro
Paul, thank you so much for having me.

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Paul Sullivan
What can be the idea for the book?

00;01;22;08 - 00;01;54;09
Rocco Carreiro
You know, I, I've been working with, hard charging people for about 25 years. And I thought about writing the book really as a kind of, like, a resource guide for people in business. That that could really help them discover true wealth. Right? True wealth certainly isn't. Just the money. I mean, a lot of times people think that's the case, but true wealth is, this is through working with lots of people over the years, I've probably done 16,000 meetings.

00;01;54;12 - 00;02;12;02
Rocco Carreiro
True wealth is really when somebody has a great family life. As a as a successful business. And they are also in tune with themselves and are healthy and, well, mentally, physically, on their own. Yep. And you know.

00;02;12;04 - 00;02;34;17
Paul Sullivan
When you think about you said, you know, 16,000 meetings, you know, a lot of people you work with, you know, for good or bad. Often our best ideas come from, somebody who's either done it so wrong, that we want to make sure we don't do it that way, or somebody who's done it. So. Right that we we stand in awe of of that person.

00;02;34;19 - 00;02;47;04
Paul Sullivan
Tell me some of the stories along either of those lines that that help you formulate, the three chords and really, you know, guide us through through some of your findings in, in the book.

00;02;47;06 - 00;03;07;27
Rocco Carreiro
Yeah, absolutely. Love to do that. So basically so here were some of the findings. You know, you you'd work with people that, you know, you work with all kinds of people. We typically like to work with people that are family people. People that, married kids. And, care about their family, care about helping others.

00;03;07;29 - 00;03;52;20
Rocco Carreiro
And, and I've got to see different people which which throughout, throughout life, may have made some major mistakes, major mistakes within their marriage, major mistakes with their relationships with their children, major mistakes within their business, and also major mistakes with not taking care of themselves excessively, drinking, using drugs. You know, not not in tune with themselves physically or mentally and and, we all know we all know people like that in our lives who suffer in those different areas and the people that really pay attention to the three areas, not just 1 or 2, but all three or the ones that really do achieve true wealth over the over the

00;03;52;20 - 00;04;06;18
Rocco Carreiro
long term. And so that's, you know, that's really what this is, this is all about is, is it's about records and, and we wrote the book to try to help as many people as we possibly can understand that.

00;04;06;20 - 00;04;27;12
Paul Sullivan
Okay. But yeah, don't do drugs. Don't get fallen down drunk. Don't cheat on your wives. Don't don't be a crappy dad. But, like, think about, like, actionable steps when people are going to read this and what they're going to take away when you think about, you know, guidance that you've given people. I mean, I don't think, you know, most people, they the call mistakes for, a reason.

00;04;27;12 - 00;04;50;16
Paul Sullivan
They didn't intend to neglect their, their health. They they made some other mistakes. How do you, you know, in this book, in, in your practice, how do you help people? Not make the same mistakes that that other clients, you know, made or other people in general? I've known you. Did you give certain tips of like, okay, you know, packet family business, self, you know, certain key to.

00;04;50;16 - 00;05;16;17
Rocco Carreiro
Do that is that that's part of our, proprietary process. So what we do is when we meet with when we meet with the clients that we serve, we kind of lay out, what's important to them from a family perspective. So, you know, a lot of times, people, when you talk about money and family, you talk about wealth transfer and, and sometimes it all it becomes when the people will just focused on wealth transfer.

00;05;16;18 - 00;05;45;25
Rocco Carreiro
What we try to do is we try to help them with understanding what is it that they can do now, because the kids aren't just going to remember, they're not they're not going to remember the how much money they actually got. They're going to remember the experience that they had with their parents. So we encourage people to, not just wait until, you know, to to transfer their wealth to their, to their heirs, but to, to, to, to do things with them, to create experiences.

00;05;45;27 - 00;06;02;05
Rocco Carreiro
And that ties in with, with an important piece. And that's really on the, on the, on the family side. So as we're doing, planning, we're saying, okay, let's talk about your family. Let's kind of lay this out. What is it that you'd like to do now? What short term, long term, intermediate term. And we get it all on paper.

00;06;02;05 - 00;06;22;11
Rocco Carreiro
And it's amazing. We've seen people, go out, go out west and rent ranches and do great trips like that because the family like to watch. I forgot to show that was on Netflix. The, about the ranch and and so Yellowstone. So this was a, great family, and they all watched the show together, and it was somebody celebrating a 60th birthday.

00;06;22;11 - 00;06;40;21
Rocco Carreiro
I'm like, well, why don't you take the whole family out there? They're like, oh, that's you know, that that's that's really expensive. I'm like, well, you can afford it, why don't you do it? And so they're doing it this month. I can't wait to see the pictures or people taking family trips to Europe or, going back to their ancestors and, seeing their where their ancestors came from in Scotland.

00;06;40;21 - 00;07;03;07
Rocco Carreiro
So we encourage people to do that. That is part of the planning process. It's not just about rate of return and making more money. It's about, you know, what's real. Return on on capital, real return on capital in is is is what what you can actually do with it. Right. It's besides just multiplying the money. It's the things that you can do with, the people that are around you and the people that you care about.

00;07;03;10 - 00;07;25;05
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. Do you ever get pushback? Because it's it's easy to say, okay, I've got a dollar, and how am I going to divide up that dollar versus, you know, that's simple math in that that have. But if you say, okay, how can I use that dollar in the most effective way to spend time with my family? That's a that's a higher level of, of thinking of of planning.

00;07;25;07 - 00;07;31;29
Paul Sullivan
Is it is it hard to get people over that hump and get them to, you know, spend that money on the experience as opposed to just.

00;07;32;01 - 00;07;57;06
Rocco Carreiro
Believe it or not, you know, people that are, a lot of self self-made millionaires don't believe they don't ever look at themselves as being wealthy or being able to do such things. They just don't. And so we try to educate them and say, listen, even if you spend $50,000 on going out, taking your family out on, you know, going out this year, the, you know, ranch out west or going to Florida, taking the family Disney, you're not going to run out of money.

00;07;57;08 - 00;08;14;17
Rocco Carreiro
And so a lot of wealth creators are always nervous about that. So we do have to educate them. You would think that that somebody that would see that had the needs of resources just would automatically do that. But some do, but the most don't. And they don't they and they don't do that because they don't believe that they actually can.

00;08;14;19 - 00;08;25;23
Rocco Carreiro
And so we, we, we encourage people to do show that they can do it, and we can show that it would be very little impact to their overall finances by making that type of investment in their family.

00;08;25;25 - 00;08;45;02
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. You know, you you mentioned something there, which is the stat that I know well from my, my former life at the New York Times and that, you know, most millionaires, most wealthy people in America are self-made. They had an idea. They built a business. It worked. But, you know, in that we talk a lot of the company of dad, you know, what does it mean to be a father?

00;08;45;02 - 00;09;08;09
Paul Sullivan
What is it? What is masculinity mean today? And in many cases, masculinity and money and the ability to earn are linked. And if you own your own business, or if you have a high paying job where you're, you know, incentivized by the hours that you, you put in, there's a direct correlation between, you know, how much you work and often how much you earn.

00;09;08;09 - 00;09;28;14
Paul Sullivan
But that, of course, has an impact on the the family component in and without proper communication. The dad may think that he is, a great provider, earning all kinds of money. But at the same time, he's neglecting, you know, that that family part and a little bit less than the bank would make his family happier.

00;09;28;15 - 00;09;33;15
Paul Sullivan
What type of conversations do you have with the three quarters approach around an issue like that?

00;09;33;17 - 00;09;55;21
Rocco Carreiro
Yeah. We, again, we work with we work with all kinds of families. Right? We work with, with dads that, you know, families that, that the mom is the primary income provider into the household. And, but we, you know, most of the families that we work with, it's a team, right? Mom, as a reserve, responsible dad as their responsibilities within the household.

00;09;55;24 - 00;10;20;01
Rocco Carreiro
The combination of both people, works best when two people are working together on it, not just one. And, it's a work in progress. And how how the finances are treated are, you know, in our planning process, nobody feels we make sure that nobody feels that. Well, I may not be working, outside the home, but I'm doing the work inside the home.

00;10;20;04 - 00;10;40;02
Rocco Carreiro
And, you know, everybody's opinion is is valued. And we and every, you know, we take everybody's opinions and we put them on paper and we work together at achieving everybody's goal. We don't just want one person coming into the office. We want all people come to the office. We want to hear from both people. It's it. That's the only way to really do it.

00;10;40;04 - 00;10;50;14
Rocco Carreiro
You know, sometimes I think the perception is, okay, well, the primary income earner should be doing the financial planning, and that's not, you know, that's not the case. You know, financial planning is more than just the numbers.

00;10;50;16 - 00;11;20;19
Paul Sullivan
You know, whether the primary earner is is mom or dad. We obviously the company we talk about a lot about, you know, the dads being in more of a support role to, to working moms and dads having more flexible in job. And maybe the working mom is a higher earner. But regardless, how do you the question I want you to answer is how do you get people to say, okay, there is incremental income that can be earned from me putting an X number of additional hours, but there's a detriment to that.

00;11;20;21 - 00;11;43;29
Paul Sullivan
To my my family. Do I want my family at the end of it all to remember, you know, all the hours that I worked in, I every place I travel or do I want them to remember, as you said, you know, the trip out west to to to the ranch or the great trip to, to Disney World. How does that conversation come in when when you are, you know, a business owner or you are the primary earner and you feel that that pressure to, to to to keep earning.

00;11;44;01 - 00;12;11;13
Rocco Carreiro
You know, that's a great question. And I've asked lots of people this question. And, you know, I think the key is to know how much is enough. And, there are people out there that don't know how much is enough. And if if somebody keeps making more money, then they actually, you know, actually need and they're neglecting their, their personal time and their family time, they usually regret it.

00;12;11;15 - 00;12;31;27
Rocco Carreiro
And I've had this conversation with lots of people, people that, work for an extra 5 or 10 years. And then they sold their company and they said, you know, I think pretty much 100% of the people have said that, that once you got everything you need, any additional time in working is kind of like a waste of time.

00;12;31;27 - 00;12;51;18
Rocco Carreiro
And they it was a study, I think they did. They there was this woman who was a hospice care nurse, and she interviewed countless people that were on their deathbed and they said, what were your regrets? And, and their regrets were usually, did it tell, certain people that they love them enough that they work too much at the office?

00;12;51;20 - 00;13;17;29
Rocco Carreiro
And, and the third one was I believe it was, and they didn't like, you know, taking off, risking life to do the things that they really wanted to do. And so I think, I think, families can make that mistake by not understanding how much is enough and what they really actually need, because after a certain point, any additional dollars on top of a certain dollar amount really becomes it.

00;13;17;29 - 00;13;31;24
Rocco Carreiro
Really. It doesn't add any more leverage to the overall picture. It really doesn't. And I've seen that, you know, that's what we try to encourage people to do philanthropic things. And it's hard. You know, it's really it's it's money. It's a funny thing.

00;13;31;27 - 00;13;53;17
Paul Sullivan
It's a funny thing. And, and I know the book you're talking about and, you know, at no point when that hospice nurse was talking to people in the last days of their lives, did anybody say, I just wish I had seen one more PowerPoint presentation that nobody ever said something like that. But let's say you had the balance correct between, you know, the amount you're working, the amount of time you're spending with your family and you're happy.

00;13;53;17 - 00;14;17;17
Paul Sullivan
It's, you know, the something always feels like it has to give and that, you know, self-care is is one of them. You know, when we're in our 20s, we can, you know, get away with, you know, exercising now and again. But if we keep that up in our, you know, 40, 50, 60, it ultimately, you know, catches up to us and, you know, impacts the quality of time we'll have with our family.

00;14;17;17 - 00;14;26;23
Paul Sullivan
How do you get people in with the three chords approach? How do you get people to find time or make time in their lives for that? That self-care?

00;14;26;25 - 00;14;49;19
Rocco Carreiro
It all comes down to it doesn't. It's not going to sound too exciting, but model calendaring and and pre setting things in advance. You know, people people have a lot to do today. And the only way to get the things done that they need to get done is through a calendar system. And so whether it's a weekly model calendar or whether it's a quarterly calendar or annual calendar.

00;14;49;25 - 00;15;07;28
Rocco Carreiro
So let's just say that, you know, taking care of themselves and going to check in with doctor's appointments and making sure that they get to the gym and do the things that they probably should be doing, needs to go, needs to go on the calendar. As you talk to most people, if something's on their calendar, there's usually a very high percentage chance that they're actually going to do it.

00;15;08;01 - 00;15;29;25
Rocco Carreiro
And so but if it's not on their calendar, there's a low chance that they're actually going to do it. And so self the things that are for ourselves, most people will tend to will tend to like kind of not focus on it as much. Most people that we talk with, you know, if, if, if they have a family engagement that they need to be, you know, go to, they're going to be there.

00;15;29;27 - 00;15;48;04
Rocco Carreiro
But doing things for themselves usually is at the bottom of the list. And that that usually is self-care. And that's what most, most people that that's what we've seen. So the only way to do it is to preset it on the calendar and have a calendar system that allows you to, you know, protect yours, protect yourself from yourself with it.

00;15;48;06 - 00;16;07;04
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. Know, when I was growing up in May that I had this wonderful next door neighbor. Really nice man. And he's a chain smoker, and he had a heart attack. Massive heart attack. Didn't stop smoking. Had a second heart attack. Massive heart attack. Didn't stop smoking. And then a third heart attack. And he stopped smoking because he he died.

00;16;07;07 - 00;16;29;29
Paul Sullivan
You know, so many people, have to have that scary moment either themselves or a close friend or relative to really realize that they're not 20 anymore, that they're 50, 67, and they need to care more. Do you have any advice, in the three chord approach to get people to think more about the importance of, of self-care, self-care?

00;16;30;02 - 00;16;33;16
Paul Sullivan
Before it gets to that, that critical critical point?

00;16;33;19 - 00;16;51;16
Rocco Carreiro
Yeah, we talk about that in the book, and you want to kind of align yourself with really outstanding medical professionals before you need it. I see a cardiologist. I don't have any heart issues. I'd like to try to keep it that way. You know, I try to I try to make sure I'm doing the things that I need to be doing prior to actually needing it.

00;16;51;16 - 00;17;22;18
Rocco Carreiro
So if you see a cardiologist before you actually have a heart issue, you're either not that this that this is the perfect solution here, but the odds of you having heart disease would probably be significantly less. Most people see a cardiologist after there's trouble. And it's the same thing with, you know, try to align with a really good health care professional general practitioner that you really like, you know, make you, you know, make yourself, make yourself, make yourself put yourself in front of the people, make sure that they know you.

00;17;22;20 - 00;17;47;11
Rocco Carreiro
You know, a lot of times we look at doctors, medical professionals being intimidating individuals. But make sure that, you know, you make sure that they know your, your, your vitals. There's a really cool tool out there. Cool. Insidetracker company out of Massachusetts where they test your blood and, gives you, like it? Inner age score. You know, so I'm going to be 50 in October.

00;17;47;13 - 00;18;06;27
Rocco Carreiro
And, first time I did it, it's at my age was 52. I almost fell off the chair. I was like, what the heck? And so I fall. I followed what it said. I'd be sure to eat better, exercise better. At four months later it said my inReach score is 46 and this is when I was I was 48 first time I did it.

00;18;06;27 - 00;18;25;28
Rocco Carreiro
So now I just did it again. It's a 46. My goal is to try to get it to 38 and do the things that are required. So, you know, it's time, it's money, but it's an investment in, in my in myself. And I would encourage everybody to align with the right medical professionals, know your know your numbers.

00;18;26;01 - 00;18;37;26
Paul Sullivan
Yeah. Plus something like that, you know, keeps you from lying to yourself. Oh, yeah. You know, you can't say. Oh, yeah, I feel great. Look at me. And then it tells you. It tells you, you know, and forcing you did it early enough to to to catch it.

00;18;37;28 - 00;18;46;24
Rocco Carreiro
That's, that that, you know, it's really important. Yeah. You know, I want to ask my family, like, you know, I got to be here. That's my goal, right?

00;18;46;26 - 00;19;07;22
Paul Sullivan
You know, you're based in, you know, Southampton, New York, one of the nicest summer retreats. I know. I've been there many times. It's it's beautiful. It's it's, you know, for people listening around the country, it's it's the epicenter of of of the Hamptons. You know, there's incredible wealth there, but there's, you know, and also a whole, you know, service sector, a whole working class out there.

00;19;07;22 - 00;19;33;20
Paul Sullivan
And it's, I wouldn't say it's a melting pot, exactly mixing, but but it's it's definitely showing different ranges. How has that, you know, informed what you have done, not just as a financial advisor, but but as a father to your your two kids. How is you know, that that beautiful area that has people of all different wealth levels, sort of, you know, informed the way that you parent your your two children?

00;19;33;23 - 00;19;58;19
Rocco Carreiro
Yeah. That's a it's a great question because, you know, here in the Hamptons, you see, you know, kids meet the families that have, you know, big Gulfstream jets. And they also meet families that have really successful, companies like school cleaning businesses, construction companies, plumbing companies. So we get to see we get to see the spectrum of, of all different types of, all different types of people.

00;19;58;22 - 00;20;21;04
Rocco Carreiro
And, and so how it's impacted my, my kids, you know, we, my, my parents immigrated from Italy. My dad was a tailor. So we love, people that create things. And, and so you know, in fact, you know, some of the, some of the favorite, some of my most favorite, favorite clients that we're working with are wealth creators that operate trade related businesses.

00;20;21;06 - 00;20;39;09
Rocco Carreiro
And, and some of my, my kids, they're the parents of of, of their friends are in those, you know, they're the spectrum of the families that have the big bold street jets, but also the, the companies that, that are cutting the grass for all the big estates here. So, you know, they have this is a great place.

00;20;39;09 - 00;21;00;07
Rocco Carreiro
And, it's not just all rich people I know. A lot of times the perception is everybody here is really, really wealthy. But you have a lot of you have a lot of different, a lot of different people here with all different backgrounds. And, you do have a large community that does service the the homes of the wealthy, as well, but it's, it's a great place to be.

00;21;00;10 - 00;21;22;11
Paul Sullivan
You know, one of my earliest, parenting lessons was when my you know, 14 year old, who's now 14, who then three, came home from her friend's house, played at a friend's house, and a friend's house is bigger than our house. And the first thing she said was, oh my God, daddy, why is our house so much bigger than ours?

00;21;22;11 - 00;21;46;24
Paul Sullivan
And of course, there is this moment where, as an adult, you think of all of these other things like, why is my kid already obsessed about money? Why is my happiness? How do I answer this without saying this, this? And then when you step back, you realize you know, kids are these comparative creatures. They they, you know, she could have just as well gone on to somebody's house whose house was smaller than ours, and she would have come home and and asked the same questions.

00;21;46;25 - 00;22;10;06
Paul Sullivan
Why is this small? And it really it. Fortunately, I paused, and I was able to answer through about. Yeah, the choices that people make. You know what you do when you think about your own children and the discussions that you have with them about money and their financial future, and, you know, the world in which they're they're growing up in, which is, you know, in Southampton all, as you said, all types of different people doing all types of different jobs.

00;22;10;12 - 00;22;20;20
Paul Sullivan
What are some of the big lessons that you, you know, as a dad who also happens to be a financial advisor, but really you as a dad have imparted on your kids that you'd like to share with with other dads out there.

00;22;20;22 - 00;22;37;19
Rocco Carreiro
You know, I think it's it's being grateful, being grateful for what you have, for sure. Last. So I, my son was playing basketball all day yesterday, and he was going to he was kind of sore, and, he was going to take a tub. And so he was in, he was get himself situated. He was and he said, oh, I was at so-and-so's house.

00;22;37;21 - 00;22;51;15
Rocco Carreiro
And they have this digital climate control thing that sets the water perfect in the tub. You don't have that now. And I said, we don't have that. I said, you should just be grateful that you have a tub here. I'm like, that's what that's what it's about. He's like, well, I'm not complaining. And so you do get that.

00;22;51;15 - 00;23;12;17
Rocco Carreiro
You do get that in the Hamptons where you just hit the number 82 degrees and bam, like Insta instant tub at that particular temperature. But, you know, I try to emphasize to the kids to be kind, to be respectful, to help others. We have we have designated values in our family. And there's five and, and we've gone over this with our.

00;23;12;23 - 00;23;15;06
Paul Sullivan
What are the five? I want to have this. What are the five designated values?

00;23;15;09 - 00;23;35;29
Rocco Carreiro
First is family. Second is helping others. The third is respect, the fourth is generosity, and the fifth is personal growth. They have heard this. They're, you know, before I would drop them off at school, I'd say recite to be one of the family values. And I can tell you by talking about what the it's that's how we make decisions.

00;23;35;29 - 00;23;45;12
Rocco Carreiro
We make decisions as a family based upon these five values. And so if you don't like a decision, you just think back to the values. And all decisions are made based upon the five values. All right.

00;23;45;12 - 00;23;47;13
Paul Sullivan
So so what are the five again. Tell me what they are again.

00;23;47;15 - 00;24;12;05
Rocco Carreiro
Family. Yeah. Family helping others respect generosity and personal growth. So personal growth is that you got to produce in school. He got it. You I want you to do well. I want you to do well at anything that you're doing and want you to get better at it. Right. This is part is a personal growth aspect that we talk about in our household that, you know, that family we have, our immediate family, we have our extended family.

00;24;12;07 - 00;24;31;23
Rocco Carreiro
And that that's really important that you know what it is. We want you to stay close to that here in the United States, that your family in Italy respect. We're respectful of everybody. We're respectful people in our home, respectful of people in our neighborhood. We're respectful of everybody at school around us. And you ought to treat other people the same way that you expect to be treated.

00;24;31;23 - 00;24;49;11
Rocco Carreiro
So respect really important in our house and then generosity. We like going above and beyond. We've gone above and beyond. So, you know, somebody's given $25 that for a birthday present. So we give we'll give more. Not because we're trying to show off or anything, but we just want to be generous. We want to be generous with our time.

00;24;49;18 - 00;25;03;21
Rocco Carreiro
We want to be generous with what we have. And, we want to buy people for dinner. We want to share. And, and that's and that's the way, that's the way we operate our household as well around generosity. And that's that's, that's how we roll.

00;25;03;24 - 00;25;07;23
Paul Sullivan
That's Iraq. I'm an only child, so I'm inviting myself over to the house. I'm an only.

00;25;07;23 - 00;25;18;27
Rocco Carreiro
Child. I'm an only child. I grew up with 21 first cousins. But, I, I, you know, I, I was only child and I, you know, so sometimes you think, okay, only children might be.

00;25;18;27 - 00;25;26;14
Paul Sullivan
I think we overcorrected. They only only children who are self-aware. Overcorrect because, like, I don't want to be the only child. I don't want to be the, you know, the stereotype.

00;25;26;16 - 00;25;44;16
Rocco Carreiro
Yeah, yeah. That's true. That's, that is true. But but those are those are the five rules in our house. And I said, the only time you're going to see me get upset is if we're if we're going against our values. And, and they know, they know. They know where we stand, between myself and my wife and on how we're running the show, they're rock out.

00;25;44;16 - 00;25;56;11
Paul Sullivan
This been great. Thank you very much for being my guest on the company dads podcast today. Before we go, just tell the listeners, how do they find you and how do they, get a copy of the three chords approach?

00;25;56;18 - 00;26;13;25
Rocco Carreiro
All right, so basically they can go to our website, which is Rocko, a career dotcom. That's Rocco, a career for IEEE procom. And, they can read more about us and as well as get a copy of the book. That's, that's on the website too.

00;26;13;27 - 00;26;16;09
Paul Sullivan
Perfect. Thank you again, Rocco. I've thoroughly enjoyed this.

00;26;16;15 - 00;26;18;28
Rocco Carreiro
Thanks, Paul.

00;26;19;01 - 00;26;44;10
Paul Sullivan
Thank you for listening to the Company Dads podcast. I also want to thank the people who make this podcast and everything else that we do. The company of dads possible. Helder Moura, who is our audio producer Lindsay Decker and is all of our social media, Terry Brennan, who's helping us with the newsletter and audience acquisition. Emily Servin, who is our web maestro, and of course, Evan Roosevelt, who is working side by side with me.

00;26;44;10 - 00;27;02;02
Paul Sullivan
And many of the things that we do here at The Company of Dads. It's a great team. And we're we're just trying to bring you the best in fatherhood. Remember, the one stop shop for everything is our newsletter, the dad sign up at the Company of dads.com backslash. The dad. Thank you again for listening.