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Rudy Ramirez | IFBB Classic Physique Pro Bodybuilder: An Intimate Exploration into the World of Competitive Bodybuilding
Meet IFBB Classic Physique Professional Bodybuilder, Rudy Ramirez, as he takes us through a captivating journey of the bodybuilding world. From a young admirer of Arnold Schwarzenegger to a certified professional, Rudy inspires with his tales of triumph, challenge, and resilience. He unravels the mystery surrounding bodybuilding, debunking myths, shedding light on his favorite exercises, and sharing the importance of conditioning and nutrition for success in this field.
Join us as Rudy uncovers the grit and determination required for competitive bodybuilding. He delves into the rigorous process of preparation for competitions, stage presentation, and the critical role of accepting critique. His personal stories of struggle and victory, culminating in earning his pro card, are sure to inspire and motivate. Furthermore, Rudy provides practical insights into managing time and stress while juggling bodybuilding, business, and family.
The episode doesn't stop at just Rudy's fitness journey. He takes a deep dive into his training philosophies, coaching experiences, and his unique approach to recovery for bodybuilding. He emphasizes the role of sleep, a balanced diet, and the right supplements for optimal muscle growth. Listen as Rudy navigates the path of self-love and positivity while maintaining a significant social media presence. Finally, get a glimpse into his gym, The Body Builder, where he nurtures dreams and fosters a healthier relationship with food and fitness. This episode is a comprehensive guide to bodybuilding, not just as a sport but a lifestyle. Tune in for an enriching experience!
Rudy Ramirez Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ifbbpro_rudymike/
The Body Builder Gym: https://www.instagram.com/the_bodybuilder559/
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Meet IFBB Classic Physique Professional Bodybuilder, Rudy Ramirez, as he takes us through a captivating journey of the bodybuilding world. From a young admirer of Arnold Schwarzenegger to a certified professional, Rudy inspires with his tales of triumph, challenge, and resilience. He unravels the mystery surrounding bodybuilding, debunking myths, shedding light on his favorite exercises, and sharing the importance of conditioning and nutrition for success in this field.
Join us as Rudy uncovers the grit and determination required for competitive bodybuilding. He delves into the rigorous process of preparation for competitions, stage presentation, and the critical role of accepting critique. His personal stories of struggle and victory, culminating in earning his pro card, are sure to inspire and motivate. Furthermore, Rudy provides practical insights into managing time and stress while juggling bodybuilding, business, and family.
The episode doesn't stop at just Rudy's fitness journey. He takes a deep dive into his training philosophies, coaching experiences, and his unique approach to recovery for bodybuilding. He emphasizes the role of sleep, a balanced diet, and the right supplements for optimal muscle growth. Listen as Rudy navigates the path of self-love and positivity while maintaining a significant social media presence. Finally, get a glimpse into his gym, The Body Builder, where he nurtures dreams and fosters a healthier relationship with food and fitness. This episode is a comprehensive guide to bodybuilding, not just as a sport but a lifestyle. Tune in for an enriching experience!
Rudy Ramirez Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ifbbpro_rudymike/
The Body Builder Gym: https://www.instagram.com/the_bodybuilder559/
Quest for Success Links | https://linktr.ee/questforsuccess
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the third episode of season two. You know we've started this season off strong and it's just continuing to get stronger. Today we have on a bodybuilder, a first bodybuilder we've had on not just season two but the entire podcast itself. So today we have on Tulare counties. We believe and we could be wrong, so someone tell us if we're wrong but we believe still to this day Tulare counties only IFBB classic physique professional bodybuilder, rudy Ramirez. We're so excited to have him on today and we're going to really dive in deep and get into this podcast today. So, rudy, welcome, pleasure to have you on.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me. They're literally and figuratively getting stronger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2:So, rudy, before we get it going, we like to do mental minute, so with the mental minute, we just fire some rapid questions at you, get the juices flowing, get it going. So the first question that we got is who is your biggest inspiration to get into bodybuilding? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Well, let's start it back when I was a kid man Watching a movie the old Arnold Schwarzenegger, oh yeah, you know. Yeah, Pump and Iron, baby, yeah, Pump and Iron. But the first movie I saw him was Predator.
Speaker 2:Ooh Predator.
Speaker 3:Predator was the first time I ever saw this guy and I was like what the hell is this? Who is this guy? You know, being a kid, you're like, oh man, I want to look like that dude man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Superhero like action figure, right yeah.
Speaker 1:The other day I was. What kind of popped up in my head about this question was. I was listening to a podcast with Seabum, which you know Seabum everyone's looking at him right now he's the biggest bodybuilder in the world but someone had asked him what's your favorite lifts and also your least favorite lifts. So, rudy, I mean, you've been doing this a long time, so what's your like two or three favorite lifts and your two or three that you know you do, but they're not your favorite.
Speaker 3:Well, my favorite lifts have become mostly back exercises. You know, going into competing, you know, chess wasn't really much of a hassle for me. I grew my chest, it became easy. So I mean, yeah, I liked it, but I liked the challenge. And when I got critiques from judges that my back needed to come up, it was, you know, rows every kind of silver to row. I tried to really put some meat on that back. You know, some thickness. The other left definitely be squats, just because I suck at them and they are like, honestly, the biggest ass kickers man.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, but they're also, they can be dangerous. So you got to write that fine line, man, you know, and other than my other one will have to be I mean, tricep press downs, very dominant on the tricep, you know, but again it comes easy. So those are probably my three favorite.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to put you on the spot here. If you could only have three lifts, and that's, that's all you could do three lifts what would they be Like? If you only got to hit three lifts forever, what would they be? Oh damn Sorry. I'm putting you on the spot here a little bit.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I think pull ups. Pull ups are probably one of the most you know, not even really over, over hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't do yeah.
Speaker 1:No, no, I don't kick man. It's only one way yeah.
Speaker 3:No, but pull ups, man, they're honestly, they're overlooked a lot, you know. But pull ups are huge, you know, um squats, because they don't build overall and, uh, you know I would have to go with the chest press. Dumbbell barbell machine Uh barbell, I mean dumbbell, dumbbell dumbbell.
Speaker 2:I prefer dumbbell. I mean, there's a big difference, right, there's a huge difference, huge difference.
Speaker 3:Okay, you know I'm done. I'm over my bro years man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't mess in with a lot of barbell pressing, no more. You know it tears up the shoulders a lot and I prefer the. You know the control of having the dumbbells. You know the contraction you're able to attain from the dumbbells.
Speaker 1:You could get the right angle on it. Oh, yeah. Right Because tensions everything is a body builder right.
Speaker 2:Exactly, you're not just moving weight, you're trying to feel the weight.
Speaker 3:Exactly Right. Exactly, you know, move and contract Right.
Speaker 2:I mean, what would yours be?
Speaker 1:Um, I'm going to go definitely, pull ups, right, pull ups, uh, pull up squat. And, oh man, pull up squat. And maybe, yeah, probably, I'm probably going to go the same. Yeah, definitely pull ups, right, yeah, pull ups. Yeah, definitely a squat. Yeah, you can hit leg or hit some other things like that, and then something either going to go chest press or maybe like ah man, yeah, I'm probably going to go the same.
Speaker 2:Hmm, see, I'm a deadlift guy. I'm going to pass on squats. I'm good with squats man, I'll pick up the bar man.
Speaker 1:That's my, that's my breading, that would probably be my next one, that a deadlift, because you're going to hit back. You're going to hit um. You know, obviously hamstrings legs different things. So speaking about squats.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's talk about. I want to ask the next question what do you think is one of the bigger myths in bodybuilding?
Speaker 3:Uh, biggest myth in bodybuilding uh, going super heavy, going super heavy. Okay, I see all these youngsters is trying to bench and squat a ton of weight and, honestly, once you're up on stage, the judges ain't asking you how much you bench, how much you squat.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:None of that crap matters man Mm-hmm. You know it's what you present on stage, how it looks. You know the muscle, you know fibers that have been built. You know and yeah, you can stimulate some with a heavy load, but you know you got to get that hypertrophy.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, rudy, I mean, you've done this for a long time, you own it. You know you own a gym yourself. Um, what did like? Did you always like you? You first started lifting. What did you enjoy most about bodybuilding and like, what like just really got you to fall in love with it and want to compete.
Speaker 3:Well, for me it was just. You know, I'm not a big guy, I'm not a tall dude, you know. So being bullied when I was a kid, you know, obviously forced me to find a different avenue of getting strength, you know. So that's what kind of led me to working out, you know, hitting the weights. You know, once you're strong, man ain't nobody messing with you, you know for sure.
Speaker 3:From there you know it's just the challenge of the bodybuilding Because honestly, man, I never thought myself I would ever be doing that. I was told when I was in college to you should compete, you should compete. But honestly, I myself was like I'm good and that's not for me.
Speaker 2:You do have an athletic background, though right, I do Right Play football and stuff in high school.
Speaker 1:What other sports you play in high school.
Speaker 3:Uh, I dabbled with basketball, but lifting kind of screwed that up because I would lift before practice. So shooting basketball.
Speaker 1:Real after all. No man, that ball would fly. I wouldn't be hitting bricks, man, it was not cool man, and you know I did.
Speaker 3:you know coaches made us do track, you know, but I wasn't. I wasn't running. You know, four two, four three, and I wasn't a long distance runner, so yeah you know, pleasing the coaches, we did the track. Yeah, did what?
Speaker 2:you had to do yeah, that's awesome, but the part about bodybuilding, though, like what to be more specific, though, what? What about it, though, brought joy to you, though. Was it the fact that you basically bodybuilding is you versus you? Yeah, it is Right.
Speaker 3:For me it's just the total control you have. Um, you know, in life there's so many things that come at you that you have no control over, but in the gym you dictate that Right. You control what you do, your effort. You know how much you put into it, right, cause I mean I tell all my clients, you know results are, you know, a product of your effort.
Speaker 3:You know, and that's honestly what bodybuilding is you know, effort in the lifts, the training, the dieting, how you, you know, go by your recovery, you know, it all matters, you know, and just the challenge of that and, honestly, the one thing is, it's my piece, you know, with all the craziness going out, nothing matters. When I'm in that time, right, you know, that's what I call my magic hour, where everything goes away, right, and it's just me, the weights and Therapy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I think a lot of us like we first pick up our weight with like for me it was playing football, I think, in the weight room, like 14 years old, um, I'm not sure when was the first time you picked up a weight set?
Speaker 2:Uh, it was high school mode. My older brother got me into weightlifting.
Speaker 1:Adrien yeah.
Speaker 2:Greg Plitt. Greg Plitt was my dude back then until he got ran over and a lot different story different story for. But yeah, high school it was my junior year, okay.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean, everyone has their different kind of you know, outlets or and then weigh into, you know, pick up their first weight. So when was the first time you picked up your first weight? And like we're introduced to lifting just kind of the basics of it and kind of the foundation of lifting.
Speaker 3:I was a summer going into freshman year of football. Uh, high school, yeah, you know, before that, you know it was I wasn't ready, you know, well off to kid. I mean, my parents did what the best they could but we didn't have any weights at home. So once I got into playing football, you know, we know how to go to weight training, you know. But having, you know, just done a bunch of calisthenic work when I was a kid, you know, it came easy, you know, and it's something that, honestly, I really enjoyed. From there on, I remember my brother buying me a weight set for the outside of my house and rest was history. That's just history, man. Yeah, you know, I just tried to do all my homework at school so I could come home and lift, yep, and that was, that was my love my first love man.
Speaker 1:That's the coolest thing, I think, like you know, when you get introduced to just sports in general. Um, not for everyone, but I know for a lot of us. It's for both you and myself, um, zach, we began in high school lifting weights and picked up our first weight and for a lot of us it was, you know, freshman football or basketball or volleyball, or a coach right, and it necessarily wasn't in super in depth, but we were introduced to it and for a lot of us it just doesn't ever leave us and we build a lifelong habit of going to the gym and things like that. So it's one of the best things we could do is like go play sports, because you're going to get introduced to not just that sport but hopefully lifting and getting in the gym and picking up weights and things that are going to be lifelong habits for you. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So, so to continue to go, though, to fast forward it. Right, you're in high school. You found the way set. You found the weight room, you found some people to enjoy that with. You Start going into, like the beginning of your bodybuilding career. You know, after the people are trying to convince you and tell you dude, you got this man, give it a go. So tell us where and when that journey started to be like. All right, I'm going to listen to these people, maybe, and I'm going to start taking this off.
Speaker 3:That's a funny story. Well, it all started back in 2012. I remember going to the Olympia, you know, and it was a belief, the first year men's physique was introduced, yeah, and I went with the buddy and you know, guys talking shit, yeah, we were getting at each other and, you know, we made a little place, that a little wager, to see who could look better, and the only way we would decide the winner was step on stage and we were placed first or placed better yeah.
Speaker 3:You know. And so me, I'm like, hey, we make a bet, I'm going to go through with it, you know. So I went through with it and ended up doing my first show in March of 2013. I did the Jay Cutler Desert Classic and that was probably the tipping point of just setting everything off, because the experience I had it was crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it triggered it Boom.
Speaker 3:You know I fell in love with it. You know because, before you know, everybody wants to find their identity. You know they want to find themselves and having done that show, I felt like really, all right, this is for you, you can do this, go for it. You know, and you know the results of that show. Then, after running into Jay Cutler, mr Olympia himself and the elevator and him, you know giving him some words, you know it was like oh shit.
Speaker 1:Do you remember some of the words he gave?
Speaker 2:you.
Speaker 3:No, it was more like I had you winning, you had you winning the whole show, Wow. And I was like, oh shoot, this is my first show. Like really, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:That had to give you confidence.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it boosted my confidence from there on and that just really kind of like okay man, mr Olympia, you know things that let's see what we can do with this, you know.
Speaker 1:Damn man.
Speaker 2:I didn't have confidence from that they watched my call it so like shoot go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know you, so you get done with that first competition and so, like, when you get back home, what's kind of the feeling like, what's the the mindset, like you obviously are going to have a bunch of confidence coming off of that. So was it just like okay, let's get back in the gym, obviously, and let's get to the next one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was exactly what the mindset was.
Speaker 2:It was like Set everything in motion, huh, so like all right, we got second at this show. Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got second at the first show. Let's, let's go see what we can do now. Okay, let's put the foot on the pedal.
Speaker 1:And so what, when you, when you do get back, you get back to the drawing board. What were the changes that you knew you had to make to get to the next level and to to win the thing?
Speaker 3:I believe it was probably more presentation. You know, it's just. I mean, you can have the best physique, but if you don't know how to present it up there on stage, it really knocks you man. And the fact that it was my first show, I was nervous as hell, man. I mean being out there in a speedo half naked, you know in a theater full of people that you've never done this before.
Speaker 3:It's like holy crap. You know it really hits you once they call your name and go up on stage. You know and you know. I just remember forgetting everything.
Speaker 1:And I was like oh crap. Here we go.
Speaker 3:Like your routine and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause I mean, posing is difficult man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's not just go up there and flex as hard as you can yeah, do that, you're going to pass out but the thing is is so it's like you go, you, everything's starting to be set in motion, right? You know you got some like all right, I got a chance in this. I'm going to take as far as I could go Once you get to that point, right, how difficult, you know, cause you got hit in the chin quite a few times, you know, during that road, right? And you're already in a sport where it, remember, it's you versus you, right? So you know, what advice would you give to these young guys and young women that are aspiring to be, you know, bodybuilders and competitive bodybuilders? Right, cause it's one thing to this is how I put it Whenever I go and I get people that say they want to be bodybuilders I don't really get a whole lot of them anymore, but I always ask Mark, do you want to?
Speaker 2:You want to participation trophy or do you want to compete? Cause there's a significant difference in who you're going to be and who you're going to be going against. What advice would you give those people? Well, that's honestly the same thing.
Speaker 3:I tell them no, you want to do it for fun or you want to win. You know it's only two roads. You know, and it honestly, you weed out a lot of people that way, because people just see the social media, the glitz and glamour, but no, man, it's really tough, you know. I would say you really, really have to love and have a passion for this stuff, because there's a lot more dark days and there are bright days. Right, and like he said, man, I had to eat a lot of humble pie on my road, you know, to be coming to pro. Um, there was ups but there was a lot of downs. There's a lot of doubt. That's honestly the biggest one.
Speaker 3:People tend to start doubting themselves. You know, and you also got to build thick skin, man. You got to build thick skin because you're subjecting yourself to be critiqued and you got to be able to take those critiques and build off of them. You know, some people get critiqued and they fall apart. Right, they're weak minded and they'll start getting down on themselves and they quit. You know, the others, you know, take that critique.
Speaker 1:Go to work, go to work, yeah.
Speaker 3:I gotta build it, whatever. Maybe that they say you need more legs back chest, whatever. You just gotta make the plan and execute. It's all in execution.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, because bodybuilding is never ending, man. No, I mean, even when you win a show, there's still something. Yeah, it's another pursuit of perfection Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, never satisfied. You can't be right. No, you're going to the different competitions and getting ready training. What's that training routine? What did it look like for you in your prep leading up to a competition, both the diet and your lifting routines as well? Let's just say, maybe six weeks out or so, what are those last six weeks leading up to your competition your prep look like?
Speaker 3:Not very different man, not very different. The one thing that I've learned with this is you gotta keep training the way you train.
Speaker 3:You gotta have trust One in your coach in your training, your trainer if you have one that you're doing, the work that you need to do. All dots, all I should be dotted to you, should be crossed within those weeks, because you don't want to come to a week or two weeks out and start trying to do some crazy manipulations of different things, trying to push other things. The work is done 14 weeks out, 18 weeks out and how you go into the prep, by six weeks out you should be cruising, dialed in, yeah, dialing it in, getting ready to really pretty much more work on the posing, working on presentation. That's tuned up so that way when you're up on stage you don't have a hiccup. You want to make sure the muscle memory is there Because, again, I tell my competitors, once they call your name, your butterflies, all that nerves is going to hit you.
Speaker 3:And if the muscle memory of posing and the way you present yourself isn't there, it's going to get rough, right.
Speaker 2:It's like because not very many people show up to their first show shredded ready. You know what I mean? It's just basically an introduction, like okay, you got a taste of the lights, you got a tan in a place where you never thought you'd get tan before, but not to disrespect them, but they put in the work and they put in the hours and they put in the training and stuff, like that. Like, very, very few people come in like fully loaded, ready to take over a first show. So what, though, to those type of people? Right, and usually they're younger, you know, they're younger cats out there that just want to get into the field of bodybuilding.
Speaker 2:When you get, because you're a coach, you coach people, you coach the competitors. Now, right, because you don't longer compete yourself, not right now. Right, You're more focused on the wisdom and the knowledge and the experience onto the younger dudes now, and girls and girls, right. So when you kind of know more or less, all right, you know somebody walks through your door and then you know we quite aren't there yet. You know what I mean, but they still want to go through with it. What is it that you tell them now? Okay, this is what we're trying to execute, then this is what we're going to go and try to get done at this show. You know what I mean. How do you help them through that type of process?
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, everybody wants to have that dream of hitting the first show and hitting the home run, right? But nobody hits a home run in the first. That bet you know.
Speaker 3:So it's honestly getting your feet wet, making sure that you know again, we're going to try to do our best to prep you there. Now it's just getting on that stage, right. You know, just stepping on stage is a huge accomplishment because a lot of people fall off. You know I've had people that have wanted to do it but they fall off because it's tough and you know they're leading to these last couple of weeks. It's more mentally draining than anything. You know the body will do it, but it's in here the way you start feeling it by yourself. You start having doubts of oh, am I ready?
Speaker 1:I'm not ready.
Speaker 3:Right, Okay, I don't look good today, I look great today. You know, and you're just back and forth, back and forth in your own head and you know that's sometimes the biggest killer of all is doubt. You know Stress yeah, it is, and it becomes quite stressful, you know. That's why, you know, with my guys, I just try to minimize the amount of stress that they have, you know, and just you know, be their little, you know, conscious on their shoulder telling them hey, you got this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got this you know we're doing great, you're right on track, you know. If they're not on track I'll let them know. No, like, hey, we got to pull it, let's push it, push the show, right you know I mean, because in bodybuilding there's no winning and losing, there's only winning and learning. Yes, you know what I mean Because you have to see it.
Speaker 2:Every single show is a new experience, a new body, a new mindset, new, everything right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not every prep's the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You can't die the same. You know you can't expect to get the same result. You know doing the same shit. You know that's definition of insanity right.
Speaker 1:Right exactly so yeah, there's always challenges and different obstacles that come up and you know different preps and different you know preparing for different shows as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we are not even talking about the outside factors that you're talking about. You know what I mean Just jobs and girlfriends and boyfriends and this and that and type of stuff, because that's all factored in, man. Yeah, it's all factored in. There's so many things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, yeah, I mean so going back to you, back to your career, I mean leading up to you know getting your pro card. That obviously became a goal of yours and you know, something you wanted to accomplish. So what was it like leading up to that show and what was that kind of feeling like when you were able to, you know, earn your pro card and now you know, be basically the only you were the only one is, I believe, still the only one in Tulare County to have your classic physique pro card. What was that whole lead up and what was that feeling like of you know earning that?
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, you do it for the ones that want to see you win. You know, and with me I had, you know, a card of people on my corner. You know I had Zach in my corner at the time. You know. I had, you know, some of my clients that were just there seeing me every day, that would come in and work with me and just see me. You know, I had, you know, my wife. She was there behind you know, supporting me. You know they had my baby boy.
Speaker 3:He was a baby, you know just looking at them every morning when I had to get up at 3.30 in the morning, go do my cardio. You know, and that's what I tell them. You know my guys, do it.
Speaker 3:For the ones that want to see you win, Get all the negativity, all the naysayers, let them talk. You do the work, you know, and for myself it was just getting up and doing it. There's no other way to do it. Just do it Right. You know, no matter how you feel, you're going to feel like crap, You're going to be tired, You're going to be hungry, you know. Just do it, you know, because you're never going to know your full potential unless you actually try and you fight and you fight to get through it. Every freaking day, every day, man, and for myself, going into that, I suffered. I suffered a lot, you know. Honestly, I felt like I was dying, every day, from the diet, from the cardio. You know, the trainings were sometimes brutal. You know, it was rough, you know, but you know, getting that nod at the end, it made it all worth it.
Speaker 3:You know, I went in there with the feeling of whatever happens, I did everything I possibly could. I burned every calorie of cardio I could. I didn't eat anything orly, you know, I stuck to my diet 100, you know. And the training I gave it all my effort, posing everything, everything, everything was all. My teeth were crossed and at that point it was just hey, at this point I'm going to let the cards fall where they fall.
Speaker 2:And you know, let's see what happens, let's see what's up and this was in Vegas, right, Vegas, this is the he did the pro I mean. So tell people how that kind of is. You know there's five shows throughout the calendar year that he is a still five, I think so. Right, and you correct me if I'm wrong, but did you try a, a qualification or to get your pro card in Florida, Was that?
Speaker 3:I tried twice. I tried twice, yeah, so people.
Speaker 2:He failed more than once.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:He failed more than once. Oh yeah, but he came. He came to Vegas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my first try was in 2013. I got a little big headed after winning my first show. You know, you get, you know, big headed. You want to go give it a shot. So I ended up going to nationals out and it was in Fort Lauderdale in Florida that year and that was probably I got served the biggest piece of pie that day. You know, humble pie.
Speaker 3:Just being backstage with all these incredible physics, man, you really get your eyes open to what you really need to bring to these types of shows. You know, these regional shows, man, they're nothing compared to national shows. You're going up against anywhere between 30 to 40 dudes or girls that are just as high caliber as you, that have won one or multiple overall regional shows. You know, and you really, you really get to see the quality of the work that these people have put in. And you know, being back there, I was like damn, what the hell am I doing here? I I'm not supposed to be here right now. I got a ways to go, you know, and so that was more encouraging to me to all, right, let's work, let's put the work and see what we can do.
Speaker 3:You know, and I revisited Florida in 2015,. You know, two years later, feeling confident, you know, had a, got hooked up with a new coach, exactly the time was handling my training. You know, when we were, we were going in, you know, going for it, you know, but at the same time, I mean you never know who shows up to these shows. You know we ended up going up against this guy and I had played second at the USA that year. Big dude, big dude. Having talked to him backstage, a strategy he told me was he was supposed to be a light heavyweight. He was supposed to be a light heavyweight.
Speaker 2:He's a whole lot of muscle and this guy, he suffered and he pushed himself to suffer and make the middleweight class.
Speaker 3:And once he filled it out, man lights out. Wow, he smoked us. You know, he smoked all of us. You know, and I was fortunate to play six that year, Um, at that national show which was way improved, much improved from the first time, Uh-huh, you know. But having talked to him and getting that feedback, you know, I came back home and hit up the coach and was like, hey, this is what we got to do. Yeah, you know, we got to get there. We got to condition. No conditioning wins man.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Conditioning wins, and I looked at my condition, at you know, that national show. Compared to that, dudes, we had a lot of room for improvement. So from then on, it was just hey, it's on, let's go. Usa's baby. That was all on my mind. Usa's 2016.
Speaker 2:Usa's- so when you were, when you were over there, you know, and you're in those rooms full of those people that are just, you know, opening up your eyes and stuff, like that, and you're thinking to yourself man, I'm not supposed to be here. Why, though, what, what part of your body made you feel that way? Was it biceps, like? Tell people what it was that made you have that thought no, it was, it was condition. It was just conditioning, it was conditioning.
Speaker 3:I really got to see the next level of conditioning that these guys attain. You know it's different when you think you're walking around, you're big and you know you're feeling good, but then you see this guy that's completely peeled and you're like what the hell is that thing?
Speaker 3:That thing is a freaking anatomy chart. Yep, you know. So that was the main thing the way they carry themselves, you know, you know. One of my coaches was like hey, you carry yourself like a pro, you want to be pro. Carry yourself like a pro, you know, and that's what you gotta do, you know, not BSing with your diet off season, not taking off season and having a bunch of junk shit.
Speaker 2:You know, you know except that it's a lifestyle.
Speaker 3:It is it is a lifestyle. It's either you're gonna do it or not.
Speaker 2:Right. So you know when you're saying that, it's like you tell people exactly how hard it is to peak for a show, because you talk about conditioning you talked about being shredded, because I mean it matters Tell people exactly how difficult that process is.
Speaker 3:Ah, man, that takes a couple of shows to really nail down. You know, I had a few shows under my belt, quite a few shows under my belt, trying to find different strategies to try to fill out. You know because, again, you know you gotta really be in tune with what you're eating, how well you follow your. You know your diet plans that your coach puts you on, you know, and trying to see what really works for your body. Because it's like I said, no, not every prep's the same. You know you put on more muscle tissue. You know you can't expect the same result with doing the same thing. So you gotta figure out what works best for you, what foods work best for you.
Speaker 3:You know, throughout that prep I found potato don't work for me. No, my gut would get off bloated. You know some guys, you know carb up and load up with pancakes and stuff like that, junk meals yeah, you know sugary stuff they didn't you know they didn't sit well for me, man you know, and like, once we got to the USA's, you know, when I won my pro-card, you know we tried to stick to the diet foods that we were doing for the first day.
Speaker 3:But you know, I'm pretty sure as I remember, we were just having enough food but my body was just sucking it up.
Speaker 2:What was it? It was an oatmeal, it was a it was just rice. Wasn't there a cream of wheat, cream of wheat. There you go, yeah, and it wasn't doing nothing.
Speaker 3:You know, my body was just kind of like it's spongy.
Speaker 3:And it would just right and it would fly and back out, you know, but luckily for me, I was, you know, I had almost about two days from having to step on stage. You know, we made way. I believe it was a Thursday afternoon. I wasn't scheduled to step on stage until Saturday morning, so it was a good time to try to fill back out. And for myself it was, you know, my conditioning was always, I felt, was always great. You know, I always pushed my conditioning because, again, conditioning wins. That's what we were told.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And so you try to push that conditioning with the cardio. You know the dieting and fortunately for myself, you know I was really well conditioned and so we were able to kind of have a little bit of a gamble, you know, and the coach saw that, you know, our regular diet foods weren't working, so he gave me some junk meals. You know burger and fries. You know I needed that sodium, I needed those fats from those types of food, along with the carbs and stuff like that to really help.
Speaker 2:Replenish your muscles, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cause I remember waking up Saturday morning it was freaky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was freaky man, Cause I remembered nutrition not really being a hard thing. I mean, don't get me wrong, you know what I mean. It's a challenge you know, birthday parties and this and that.
Speaker 2:But to me that was never the issue for you. You know what I mean. The meals was never the hard part for you. Personally speaking, you know what I mean. To me it was just time. Yeah, it was just a matter of time. Yeah, and I'm not trying to be careless about that because, like you said, you got a humble pie more than once and that time could come back and bite you in the ass, you know, and take you out of the race. Yeah, but to me the most challenging thing was being patient. That was it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the nutrition is not easy for most. Right, you know, eating the same thing, period, just time after time after time after time. The cardio, yeah, I mean that's never fun, you know what I mean. But you never had an issue. You know, putting your ass up there for an hour, sometimes twice a day, with training and so on and so forth. I won't say training was too difficult for you, but I mean it wasn't easy either. No, you know what I mean. So it was just, it was a lot of sacrifice.
Speaker 3:It was.
Speaker 2:But I think the biggest takeaway of what I'm trying to say is for these people that are listening is just gosh damn, be patient.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just be patient. Stop trying to rush shit.
Speaker 3:That's the main thing. You gotta enjoy the stuff you're going through, man. Like I tell my youngsters, man, I was fortunate to go pro in three years.
Speaker 2:Oh quick.
Speaker 3:Well, not a lot of people accomplished that.
Speaker 2:But you had a long resume of listing though.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You're not like people that just get out of high school and just want to pick up a weight and say I want to be a bodybuilder.
Speaker 3:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:You crafted your physique for years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was 27, going to be 27, I believe when I was first stepped on stage, so I had some mature muscle on me Overall, I believe it was a little bit more chore in the head not trying to do what some of these youngsters do and, like you said, rush it. Honestly, I just feel that a lot of the time is now these youngsters try to try to rush it.
Speaker 2:Try to rush it.
Speaker 3:And with bodybuilding. It is what it is, man you ain't going to rush bodybuilding.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you that right now. That's how you get hurt. Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean. So I guess kind of piggybacking off that, what do you believe are some of the biggest mistakes that some of these young bodybuilders are making? Or these people that want to get into bodybuilding, like, what are the biggest mistakes they're making getting into it? What if we're starting out?
Speaker 3:Well, that goes into the dark side, man of the bodybuilding.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We could go there. And that is dabbling with stuff and sometimes these youngsters don't know what the hell they're doing Dabbling with certain performance enhancers. You know that I mean it's bodybuilding, especially at this. You know they're a given. You're going to be using them, especially if you want to reach the top levels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It is what it is, you know. That's why you got to make the choice. Either do it for fun or you do it to win. And if you do it for winning, I'm sorry, but there's going to come a time where you're going to have to make that choice. Mm-hmm, you know.
Speaker 2:But that doesn't mean, do it carelessly, no Right.
Speaker 3:No, no, no and honestly, that's the. I believe that's the biggest mistake. You know, A lot of these cats don't try to, you know, reach a plateau naturally, Right, you know of what they could do, you know and what they could build naturally, before they start dabbling with things that you know sometimes they're not even educated about Right, or sometimes they're just trusting you know some gym bro. You know that isn't really educated.
Speaker 2:Qualified yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, even those types of devices, mm-hmm, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:Go ahead Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Well, to go back to what he just said, it's like you know you could speed up the process with enhancements.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You can. I mean for crying out. I gained 60 pounds in six months for crying out loud, like you could do it and it will do that for you, but you can't speed up maturity.
Speaker 3:No, you can't.
Speaker 2:You can't Mm-hmm. That's built through experience. Yeah, period, and that's the thing that steroids don't do for you.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:So again I mean shoot. We're hearing about dudes TK and O before they're even 40.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they are pushing things that might I mean I won't say it's necessary because I don't know their backstory yeah, sure, I don't know what they're trying to accomplish or what they're trying to do or who they're listening to, but there's, I can't figure out a legitimate reason for these individuals to just be like, I mean, we're talking some high profile names.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, just passing away, before they turn 40.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they're. It's one of those things where it's like you go and you talk about a lot of it. I would like I don't. How would I put this? It's just stress management. You gotta be able to learn stress management before you do anything bodybuilding related. You know what I'm saying. If you can't control stress, that's gonna eat you up. You're done. Yeah, you will never peak, you will never reach that full potential. You just won't. So to me, that right there, that's the conversation that needs to happen before anything else gets set in motion. Yeah, let's talk about your stress man, where you sitting at right now. Let's talk about that before we talk about rep sets and what we're doing as far as bodybuilding splits.
Speaker 3:No well, like I said, stress is the killer of all man, and bodybuilding is a very selfish sport.
Speaker 3:It's very demanding and when you have a lot of responsibilities, like for myself now. I have my gym and have a family, I have kids. I don't want to just be a parent there, I want to be interactive with my kids. I want to be conscious of the things that with them and be interactive with them, because otherwise I mean you become a zombie and that's not fun. I was at a zombie point once and I look back and I'm like man, I regret it. There's times where I miss certain milestones with my son enjoying certain wins and birthdays and stuff like that, because I was so stressed oh, I want to go pro. I got to get this cardio done. I got to get this training done. I got to go get this meal in. Now it's just, I'm trying to just level it out, trying to be there for my kids Got my wife she's in school right now so I got to pick up the slack with the kids doing that. More balanced lifestyle, more balanced and sometimes you don't have enough time in a day.
Speaker 3:You don't have enough hours in a day, you don't have hours in a day to do everything that you want, and you know yourself being a business owner, a lot of the stuff falls on you. You got to take care of it. You got to get it done. A lot of people rely on you.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I think what? Because I mean, just like you said, you're a business owner as well. You own your own gym and things like that, and people always ask me it's like Zach, what's the worst part about your job? Well, it depends on which one you're talking about, Because I'm a trainer and an owner. I hate being an owner. I love what it brings, I love the opportunities that it creates, but the paperwork, the stuff that goes behind closed door, that busy stuff I'm not about that man. So, to go back to what you're saying, it would be very difficult to try to aspire to be a great bodybuilder and a great business owner and a great dad and a great. You get what I mean.
Speaker 2:So, it's like you need to have that hard conversation with yourself to tell yourself okay, what is it that I want to be great at right now?
Speaker 3:Exactly. That's honestly what it is. Is it? Do you have? Do you have what it takes to be dabbling with bodybuilding? And that's what I tell my competitors you got to be able to manage your stressors and for one, some of these they're young, so they don't have kids yet I tell them don't rush into having kids, because once those little things pop out, your world gets turned upside down and it's no longer just about you. They come first and that's again. It's time Trying to manage time and not letting time get away from you, because before you know it, they're bigger. You miss some time with them.
Speaker 2:Yep, this was one thing money can't buy it's time, it's time you can't get it back either. Nope, it's gone. So to kind of now take this in a different direction, right, I want to talk about training. You know kind of talked about nutrition and stuff like that, but I want to talk about training. What is your personal philosophy about training for a competitive bodybuilder?
Speaker 3:Well, that is just. You know, honestly, it's contraction. You got to know. The point of bodybuilding is building as many muscle fibers as you can, trying to activate as much muscle fibers as you can. You know, and that's the name of the game, you know. So with my guys, we know we practice a lot of time under tension, different types you know, overall, having control, control the way, allowing yourself to fully contract the muscle right.
Speaker 3:You know it's not how you move it, you know it's up and down. Point eight to one, it's the in between. You know how you're performing the exercise, how you execute it Right. You know that way you can get the full you know result and the full effect out of the exercise.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:So that way again, the point of bodybuilding is to build muscle tissue, build, you know, to the best that you can, you know. But that also falls into your nutrition, making sure that you're, you know, eating sufficient amount of calories. You know, and whatever stage you're at, either you're bulking or you're cutting.
Speaker 2:Right, so recovery part goes hand in hand right Exactly. Two. Yeah, that's the thing. So intentions intentions are everything when it comes to training you know, and that was so when I was training Rudy, you know, we had a personal relationship and the thing with training was I mean, I can't sit here and lie to you, man. There were times where I was like how man, dude, what am I gonna do to this dude today?
Speaker 2:You know, and a villain type of way. You know what I mean, because it was never gonna be a turnaround that I had with him where it's like dude, I'm not doing that. Yeah, dude, you're crazy. Like this, we're good. What's the next thing? What else you got on the list? That was never the case. It was like, all right, rudy, run through that wall and then come back and I'll tell you the next one to do.
Speaker 2:That's exactly the type of mindset that he had, yeah, but the thing was, was that to his point? Right, he you're, and correct me if I'm wrong it was the hamstrings. The hamstrings gave you the most difficult trouble of your physique, you know, because, right, you were great, tricep wise, chest wise. The back started to come and the more attention to detail you put it in the hamstrings, that's where it started to come. But where I'm trying to go with this was that we really didn't put too much effort in, because you know what I mean, it wasn't one of those things Cause to us it was like, dang, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, look at that chest, that's huge, we're gonna get that chest, you know.
Speaker 2:Man, look at, there's a. There's Jay Cutler. I want quads like Jay, but we to me personally, I can't remember one individual at that time where it's like dang look at that dude's hamstrings?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean. It kind of just gets buried under all that muscle on top of it. Yeah, but to go back to training, though, man, I remember workouts like let's put it this way that what most gym bros doing the gym for their chest 2025 30 sets, you know, twice, three times a week. Imagine not doing that for your hamstrings. Yeah, that's hard because you can't see your hamstrings.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Nor are they gonna give you the satisfaction as far as a pump as your chest and arms go, but that's what this guy had to do and make sure that his physique was top class. Yeah, because you didn't just go to USA's like. You went to USA's, yeah, in Vegas, and stole the show. Yeah, and why? Because the moment this dude turned around, oh boy over.
Speaker 3:It was gay, it was game over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because his hamstrings just took the show, because the individuals there are standing next to him. Nah, that's what separated Rudy from the bunch was the fact that he put the time in the details into his hamstrings. Other people didn't boom. Yeah, I mean, because what is everybody?
Speaker 1:It's a very common thing to not put a lot of work in your house.
Speaker 2:It'd be weak in the hamstrings, I mean in general, it's just and again, and Rudy could probably agree with me, it's just who loves training muscles that they can't see or feel as much as the I mean dude, you get a chest pump, you feel like you're a god.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I said.
Speaker 2:Who's gonna walk around, dude? I got hamstrings. Look at these things. Yeah well, right now watch, catch me in and out Like nobody does that. But, what is the one thing, though, that most people don't have? Hamstrings and glutes, yeah yeah, sure, I hate the glutes, mm-hmm. And guess what Rudy brought.
Speaker 3:From head to toe and that's what I tell these guys. Man, hey, that's what I was told. Shows, when no shows, are one from the back, right, and it started from the bottom up. You know cabs, hamstrings, flutes and the cherry on tops, the back and the arms going into it. Right, you know. But, like you said, what separates you is that condition. That's where your condition, that's where you can really see the condition Right, how hard you condition. Yeah, you know in the hamstrings, right, how well they're etched in. You know the glutes, like you said, striated glutes, just silly dude, it was silly because it Rudy.
Speaker 2:I mean so a thing too, that that we need to tell people is that right? You started in bodybuilding. Yeah right with, with short little, tiny little Trunks right, they showed everything all cheeks. But then you transition to classic physique, where you now got into more of a short, yeah, a little bigger trunks. You still saw the glutes at the bottom, but the hamstrings weren't covered.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, but nevertheless, though I mean to do. What a state in bodybuilding it was just again, it was gonna be one of those things. It was only gonna be a matter of time. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So I have a question, I just kind of a question for both of you. So I mean, in today's world, like with social media, there's so much content, so so much information out there, and what works for one person might not work for the other in the next guy, right. But like, what's your training philosophy? You know, you see some guys like they have different splits, right, whether it's a pull day, back or push days, or or just focus on one muscle or a few different, a few different lifts a day, or third. Now you got guys that are hitting one muscle a day, full body, every day. So what is what's your guys kind of philosophy on that for bodybuilding? I guess, specifically, and In that type of training, like, what, what, what's the most ideal method With bodybuilding training?
Speaker 2:Well, when me and him were attacking it, we didn't have one set, we changed it. You know, he did a honey rambod like fast seven. He done Chris Kermere, he done Stands. You know there wasn't just one, but the basics never changed, sure. The basics never went at squats, they were always there. Dead lifts were always there you know every. As far as that type of stuff, it was just different ways of manipulating the muscle. As far as the tension.
Speaker 1:So like what did like a week, like a week, look for you guys, were you guys hitting you know Um? Were you focused like like a like a leg day, right? Were you hitting legs twice a week where you focused like on a like you know more quad than hamstrings, and on a different day, like what did that kind of look like?
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe it was. It was, it was, it was quad one day, mostly quad dominant.
Speaker 1:Okay, it was mostly focused. You're kind of separating that Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, exactly, it was quad hamstring, and then we did one full leg day. Okay, I mean that's pretty that's pretty common in the big. Yeah, that's in the week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know you're hitting. You're hitting at least a part of the leg three different times out of the week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, I mean again, that's pretty common for a bikini competitor but, you try to tell a guy he's got to work out his legs three times out of the week, he might be like all right, you know what? I'm cool with just lifting weights. I don't want to be training with the weights.
Speaker 1:Yes. So I mean You're hitting legs three times a week and in different sections. Right to kind of split that up. Um chest, what would a chest look like?
Speaker 2:I mean dude chest was a little to me when I was training like a push there.
Speaker 1:What did like your pushes look like.
Speaker 2:I guess I should say when I was training him personally. Like For me personally when I was training him, push days were always my favorite not because of what I was able to do to him, but what I got to see when it was done.
Speaker 2:You know with the pump that that you know because you don't run into individuals who just have it right Vascularity, maturity, nice, just a nice, how would I put it? They it's just a great physique. I mean, you just don't see it from head to toe. You might see a guy that's that in shape where he's like pretty stout on top right. He's wearing long shorts. He might as well be wearing pants. Why yeah?
Speaker 1:because he don't train no legs. I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2:So whenever it was with Rudy, you know, whatever we would do chest triceps and we really did very little triceps because I mean it was unnecessary for his physique, but the biceps and things like that it was. I don't think I ever remember a workout where it was less than 20 sets. No well, I mean, I mean, that's actually pretty common.
Speaker 2:Yeah most people go in there and they're doing 20 sets but they don't know what a hard 20 sets is. They don't know what the drop sets are, the rest pause are the super sets, the triceps, the time under tension, the negatives. Like they don't know that type of training, man, it's different, yeah it's completely different.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. And why is that? Because it takes a different individual to be able to go through those types of sets. That's the deal breaker. Yeah, and I never had that issue with him, never. And guess what? Guess who's the only person in Salaria County who holds a pro card? Man?
Speaker 1:sitting in front of us.
Speaker 3:You honestly got to go to a dark place, yeah, and you got to make peace with that place and know and accept that pain and I thought I see what it separates people and weeds people out. Can you handle that pain? You know because it hurts, you know, it goes to a different level sometimes, you know, but you know, for me it was always like down yeah, all right, what's next? Yeah, oh, shit, all right.
Speaker 2:Okay, you got to have a short-term memory, I do because you know when you're doing legs three times a week Monday, quads hamstrings Wednesday, and then probably like a Either Friday or Saturday, depending on recovery. Like you got to have a short-term memory of that.
Speaker 2:Sure because it's coming in and it's gonna knock right on your fucking Sorry. He's right on your door and it's gonna come quick. Yeah, you know, but the thing with with his particular training at the time was, whenever we trained, we said very few words of each other. Yeah, it wasn't a conversation. The phones never came out until the end of the workout to capture the posing that we needed to send there was other coaches in LA, and so there was never a conversation, never. It was all.
Speaker 1:All gas.
Speaker 2:No breaks until that session was over. And that's the thing, man. Whether if it was for 45 minutes, depending on the type of training, or an hour and a half, it was all gas.
Speaker 1:Well, it's efficiency too. Right, it was efficient.
Speaker 2:It's being efficient in the gym, the time you have we know exactly what we wanted to get out of every single workouts with, with all Intentions, man how long were those workouts?
Speaker 3:if I'm, it was like for, like you said, it was like anywhere between like 45 minutes to Sometimes longer ones, because the rest periods an hour and a half. Yeah you know that's the misconception a lot of people have, that you Gotta spend two, three, four hours in the gym. You know I go with people looking me all you must spend all day now. No, what are you doing for four hours? Three hours in the gym, Right? You're obviously wasting a lot of time if you're in there that long, yeah, no, you gotta end there in attack right.
Speaker 2:If the goal is tension. How are you putting tension with the four-hour you know? Workout you know, Like I don't think your muscles go for four hours if you're doing it right.
Speaker 1:Like Dorian Yates would talk about that he would only spend, you know, no more than an hour, 90 minutes in the gym, exactly. And he wouldn't like, and I don't know how true is that he would. They would. They would talk about like, oh, we're with a six, seven days a week. No like, even at the height, sometimes you would, we would only work out four or five days a week, right, and get that recovery, but it was like 90 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah so it's about it being efficient in the gym with the time that you have.
Speaker 2:Right, yep, and then that comes the recovery, you know, and I mean, and that's, that's a whole different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna actually ask about that being able to hit the legs three times in a week. Like what did the recovery look like?
Speaker 3:That's Condition, man. Yeah, honestly, legs were sore every day, and especially when you have to do cardio every day. Yeah, you know. So at that point again, it's how well can you tolerate pain? Right, you know, it's mostly a pain tolerance type of thing, you know. Mentally, you know, and I mean recovery, wise sleep, you know. No, there's certain supplements that you can take For no recovery, you know, but at the same time, hydration, making sure that you're properly hydrated. A lot of people don't know how important hydration is. Man, we're not muscles made of mostly water. You got to make sure that you're properly hydrated, you know and not just water, right?
Speaker 1:sodium, potassium chloride, like the whole complex. Yeah, you know, I gotta make sure you have enough for most of your day, yeah you know, otherwise you're gonna be crapping.
Speaker 3:You know Terrain stuff.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's like you know People, you know when you, when you mentioned it legs three times out of the week, the thing was it was still broken. You know, it was still quad-dominant exercise, it was still a hamstring. So really up there was only one day where it was at all leg day. You know what I mean. Like it was still broken up, where you weren't like attacking the leg all at once every.
Speaker 2:You know, three times out of the week. So that's like to what I'm. Why am I bringing that up? Because programming is everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah programming is a you just can't. You know, like everything was was managed For Rudy, from his nutrition to to driving the LA's for posings, for training. Like it was well managed. It wasn't. There was no carelessness into it. Yeah, you know I mean the guy just said he became a pro bodybuilder. How many years? Three, three years. You know what I mean. And guess how many mistakes were made in that most of them were Uncontrollable. You know I mean in just part of the process of being a bodybuilder and learning. You know it wasn't just the fact that I was like you know what, I'm just gonna do this today and go to Taco Bell and yeah, that's not what it was.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. It was a really well managed program and that's what got him from point a to point B as fast as he did. Yeah, so I mean, but training, training is a fun part, dude, it's the fun part. You know, as painful as it is, it's still the easiest part right. I mean, we all tell our clients, right, nobody's ever said dang. I wish I would have never done that work after they accomplished it.
Speaker 1:Never right, never, never it just doesn't work out like that you know so.
Speaker 2:So to go back to recovery, though, you know and talking about that, you know, at the brutal trainings I mean, most people don't Understand that. You know, recovery is, is almost a sport itself. You know what I mean, because if you can't recover, you can't go back and get what you need Out of your training. You know what I mean, because it's it's not gonna work out. You know what I mean. So when you talk about your recovery specifically, where, how would I put this? What would you say Outweighs the other? Okay, what would you say that outweighs the other? It kind of go back into, I guess, the myth how important are supplements, okay, and how important is sleep and how you get what I mean, like, because we still fight that hey what's up I should I buy?
Speaker 3:it was you know what's you know. This was you know how to take exactly.
Speaker 2:I want you to elaborate and tell people the misconception of supplements and sleep and which one they should prioritize more sleep.
Speaker 3:Honestly. You know the magic happens when you sleep. You grow when you sleep, you recover when you sleep. You know so how well. You know, especially nowadays with nearly the phones and the social media and the internet and all that crap, you know People get distracted and stay on their phones up too late. You know, and don't really. You know see how important sleep really is. You know Burn fat, believe it or not, you lose weight. You do your sleep. You know you build muscle when you go to sleep.
Speaker 2:You're testosterone, everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah matter, sleep is king, you know, over supplements, you know you can buy all the supplements in the world, but if you're no, sleep is crap.
Speaker 2:You just give me your money. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah so let's say you have your nutrition pretty dialed in, your training is dialed in, your sleep dialed in. What supplements and I'm not talking about we're gonna go win. You know, mr Olympia, just a person that wants to be in the best shape they can so they got their nutrition dialed in, they have their sleep dialed in, training dialed in. What supplements would you recommend for For them to spend their money on?
Speaker 3:I Would say a quality protein. You know. Nowadays a lot of people who know struggle to eat enough. You know protein throughout the day, sure. So I was definitely say make sure you know, get a quality protein you know, especially nowadays the supplements companies have Know multiply by a bunch. Yeah, you know like almost every influencer, has some sort of brand.
Speaker 3:I just make sure you do your homework and getting a good quality protein right. No, forget the name, forget who's selling it. You know, look into the actual product right and get a quality product, and you know it's also. No, it's also trial and error. You know what might work for me, might not work for you, and just no. Really Breaking it down more basic, you know what you really need. You know making sure they have the, the minerals, because we need minerals. Yeah, you know, over pre-workout right say you know some people need that Jolt of energy To.
Speaker 3:I don't use any pre-workout anymore. Go to sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean just get some rest. Yeah, you know your body will do it all. You know Audia is an amazing machine. If you allow it and give it, you know, it's proper recovery and rest you know it'll respond Yep, you know. So I Would say essential amino acids yeah, you know making sure you get good quality essential amino acids. You know that's no, pretty much it depending on the person's goal, you know.
Speaker 1:Multivitamin or multi vitamin. Well, I mean, if you're eating properly, you should get those. You should get those from your food Right should be, you know.
Speaker 3:That's why I mean otherwise. A lot of multivitamins you get out there just compressed into a big tab and right, yeah, really can you absorb from those types of things? You know, not much right.
Speaker 1:So a big one today is like so, obviously being hydrated, but you talked about minerals, because I know there's like different, like the big thing is because everyone was like, talk about you know, drink a gallon of water. Well, yeah, that's great, but if you don't have minerals, like you're, it's not really helping. So making sure you're having potassium chloride, sodium, yes, because there was always that myth like, oh, sodium is gonna cause high blood pressure, all this stuff it's like no, you need sodium, you need sodium to retain water, to hold the water. So now they have like element, there's like element. There's some pretty good ones that have like the what was that? What am I missing? There's potassium sodium chloride. There's five, I think essential, like ones that a lot of them having it. I can't remember off top of my head, but anyways.
Speaker 2:I usually don't get that far with clients because, we're trying to emphasize sleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah protein quality of food in quality.
Speaker 2:You know, and, like you know, because I want, I want to tell people the supplements are important. I mean, don't ignore them, you know, but they're usually at the back of the conversation until this gets crossed off.
Speaker 3:They're called supplements for a reason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, supplement supplement. You know your other things right, you know exactly and so we're crossing off all these X's and O's of what you know recovery, the training, the nutrition and all this type of stuff. Tell me three traits that you believe every Person needs to be a successful bodybuilder. Three words, what are they? Discipline, discipline.
Speaker 3:No, I would say heart, heart Okay, and just drive, man, drive okay.
Speaker 2:So discipline is the first one that came to your mind. Why, why?
Speaker 3:discipline. Why? Because you got to be willing to do even the shit that you own. Can I cuz?
Speaker 2:yeah.
Speaker 3:The stuff that you don't want to do. You had to be willing to do it Day in and day out, and that's honestly the biggest. The hardest thing for people to do Yep, you know, is accept what they need to do repetitive eating, the same thing every day, doing the cardio every day right, you know, making sure that you put your stuff away and get to sleep Because you need it, right every day you know, that's the main thing is, and even when you feel like crap, especially the days that you feel like crap, you know.
Speaker 3:You know I don't want to go train a day, I don't want to go do this, I don't want to do this cardio right, get your butt up and do it right. You know that's what this place, you know doing it, even though you don't want to you know what the greatest form of self-love is?
Speaker 2:Discipline? Yeah, because without it, how can you ever love yourself? You know, cuz you'll never finish anything that you decide to start and how you gonna feel if that never happens you know what? I mean. So the to in that guess that's my might be my my opinion but the greatest form of self-love is discipline, you know. So the second one, that was hard, yeah, why?
Speaker 3:hard. Why? Because you got to love it. You got to love it. The ugly part? No, no, the good, the bad, every aspect you got to love. You got to love what it brings. You got to love know, to want to do it. You know, and again it falls into every aspect. You got to love the training, got to love the cardio, even though you had. You got to learn to love it, right? No, that's the way I see it. You know I'm a freaking. Do it so much till I love it, yeah, you know, I'm gonna die hard enough till.
Speaker 3:I love it right. You know and it becomes you. You know, no, we're habitual creatures, right? No, no, and as long as you keep on it, you know, it becomes part of you, right, and you learn to love it. You know it all comes from here, right? You know?
Speaker 1:So did you want to know something so I mean, you, you're a gym owner, you're kind of training bodybuilder and you're also just training people to be the best version of themselves possible today. What are like We've talked about a lot of different stuff, like Zach said supplementation, training, nutrition, all that stuff, recovery, all that stuff. You know, what are like? What are kind of like some different advice you would just give to people that Want to be the best version of themself. Like what, what, what three things are you gonna tell them Not just, I guess, training, but health, fitness and just kind of that full mind and body. Like what are some, what a couple things you tell them to be the best version of themselves?
Speaker 3:First we start making excuses. No, everybody wants a pity partner. I'll forget the excuses, man, get rid of them. You know, if you really want it, you're gonna do it, you know. So, cut the excuses already. You know everybody was all I don't have time, no, you have time, you know. You just got to manage it better, yeah, you know. Um, again, it's just, it comes down to discipline. Yeah, getting it back to discipline. Yeah, back to discipline, man, you know, you know, and overall is just, you know, sacrifice. You're gonna have to be one of sacrifice things, you know, to get what you want which goes back to time right and not making bullshit excuses exactly you know, cuz you know, those days you want to go party, or you want to go eat this, or you want to do that.
Speaker 3:You want to sacrifice some of those things. You know and how well you manage. Those things are gonna again help Lead you to your goal, right? Well, if you really want it, you can accomplish it. You know, the only one that's gonna hold you back is you, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah 100%, because what you said, when people have excuses and they say I don't have time, well, look at your schedule. Start all the time that people are waste right doing this and that and watching Netflix or whatever it is like maybe you can make time like you said and not, and to be consistent, sustainable, you got to be disciplined. Yeah so it all goes hand in hand, those three things. I like it. I like it, love it.
Speaker 2:So I want to finish off that third word though drive. Why does an individual need drive?
Speaker 3:because you're gonna need to really Look down and look in that mirror to see how what you're made of and you got to drive and keep going and Cuz again. Everybody loves it when you get praised, you know, but at the same time Now you're gonna get some negativity here and there and being able to overcome those, those that come negative at you, and to know, let that go in and know in one ear, not the other Right, and just keep pushing, right pushing. You know Anybody can accomplish what they want, especially in their physical, in their health.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm you know, but nowadays is, you know it's hard Right. You know, especially with the again, with all the social media stuff, people get tricked, misconceptions. You know it's sold some bull crap you know, it's really, it's not that hard, you know. You just got to have that drive to want to do it. You know, and get it done, yep, you know, and it kind of falls back to discipline, right.
Speaker 2:You got to have that drive to want to do it, but you also got to understand why you're doing it exactly. And that's usually where the discipline comes in to understand like, okay, I Remember why I started this, I'm going to finish this. Now you know and that's the thing I, in my personal opinion, my people's why is never is never good enough. You know what I mean. It's usually for a heart on Instagram. You know it is stay relevant, to stay fresh on the feed. You know what I mean and and it can't be that it can't I mean, maybe if we get paid.
Speaker 1:I guess, but most.
Speaker 2:Most often than not, you know that's a very small select few, you know, but I I like those three words discipline, heart and drive. That's what's required for, in your opinion, to be a very successful Competitive bodybuilder. Discipline, yeah, heart and drive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I, I kind of want to talk. We we briefly talked about a couple things like with the dark, the darkness of the bodybuilding industry. Right, yeah, with PEDs and different things. But you know, there there's so much good. Like I do see a lot of guys and I think, like you look at sebum and some of these guys that I, you know they seem to be pretty good role models for younger kids. They at least try to be super humble and whatnot. But then you also have a lot of a lot of bullshit in the bodybuilding industry.
Speaker 1:Yeah people trying to, you know, make their money and I get it, supplements and stuff like that, but there's so much, you know, people tearing other bodybuilders down.
Speaker 1:Yeah you see a lot of that in the industry today on social media. So, with with the social media so many different, you know, everyone trying to promote their brands to especially younger audiences and stuff like that what would you kind of, what would you kind of tell people to try to avoid All that, that darkness, and try to kind of have a streamlined process and stay committed, stay disciplined and focused, and of avoiding all that stuff and, I guess, trying to eliminate those mistakes? I feel like we, we all make those mistakes of you know, getting caught up into the supplementation of stuff or the tearing down of our own bodies, but also judging ourselves, I mean against other people on social media. So what kind of advice would you give to some of these younger people to try to avoid that, because social media could be so toxic today? Yeah With, just, you're always judging yourself based on what someone else that's maybe not even exactly a hundred percent real and natural on social media.
Speaker 3:Well, the first thing is you got to learn to love yourself, you know, if you don't love yourself, how are you gonna admit any sort of love to anybody else? Yeah, you know. You know that's one thing. You never definitely got a, you know one. See yourself for what you are, accepted, you know, except what. You know, what God gave you in a sense of your physical, you know, and try to make the most out of it. You know, I know I'm never gonna be a seba, you know sure different makeups man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, but what I can't control is what I build myself. You know, and the best thing you know is to pull away from social media sometimes and don't let it fester. No, you let the negativity faster, it's gonna overtake you and you know it's gonna become. You're gonna become the same thing, you're gonna become faithful, you know, and that's never good man.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, I mean, like social media could be such a Positive to get, to get views into your life or get you know, put yourself out there. But yeah, the dark side of it, so dark to it's a double-edged sure, sure it is you know.
Speaker 2:But it goes back to what Rudy said in the beginning. You know, you got to know who you are and your identity, you know, and that's the thing is like, if you don't know who you are, you're gonna get lost in that, yeah, and it's sometimes, when people get lost in that type of stuff, they can't get out and they can't find their way out, and so it's like it's one of those situations to where it's like, you know, when you, when you open up your Instagram, it's always everybody's best, it's never their worst, they're, they aren't showing both sides, and that's the thing too. And you got to open up that, that phone with a sense of how would you put it. You got to open it up with a sense of reality. You know what I mean. Like, yeah, that's, that's usually not what the reality is for that person. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So it's like when me and Rudy were attacking the, the bodybuilding scene, we he would show his physique, you know, and he would put a quote on his photos and stuff. Like that. People, people loved it, yeah, because it was encouraging, it wasn't Look at my biceps this is me.
Speaker 2:I accept me, love me. Yeah, you know what I mean. No, it had had a Meaning and a purpose behind it and it in a sense of positivity too. You know, and that's the thing is like. You also got to be aware of who you were looking at as well. You know what I mean, especially kids, mm-hmm, kids nowadays. You know what I mean. They go and they see a six pack and that person's they're All in everything and that person could be a very bad individual for them to be following, absolutely you know. So you got to be extremely careful of who you are putting on your feet. You know what I mean. And that was the thing that when social media was important to him, you know, finding possibility, sponsor and things like that it was. It was quality, quality posts with, with messages and obviously a great physique. You know with it, sure, but you just got to understand like you are the only person that Allows what goes in you, yeah nobody else you nobody's forcing you to do anything.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, so that's that's my take on it. You know what I mean, and it's like just staying your lane stay in the lane.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Stay in the lane and I guarantee you're gonna get to the destination that you want to go to. You know what I mean is like People meet me and Rudy used to be business partners. You know what I mean. He's killing it. I'm doing okay. You know what I mean, because why we didn't care about what we were doing whenever we separated. Rudy had an agenda that he wanted to follow and he took that agenda and he made it the best he could make it. Now he's killing it and vice versa. It's just staying your lane, you know, because you waste time if you don't and guess what like?
Speaker 2:just like I said before, what's the one thing you don't get back time with money.
Speaker 2:You can't buy time back. You know what I mean. But you could get to a point where you understand in your mind okay, that was an experience I. I enjoyed it, I learned from it. Let's move on from it Exactly off to the next thing, off to the next adventure, because you're no longer a bodybuilder. You know what I mean. It was an experience was. You know what I mean? You had fun with it, you killed it, you're at the top.
Speaker 1:You learn the law reach the pinnacle of it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, but it came to an end. Yeah, you know what I mean. And that's the thing with social media. Once you turn that phone off, what are you gonna do now? Yeah, it came to an end. What's the next step for you? You know?
Speaker 1:what I mean.
Speaker 2:So yeah, man, I think that that to me, that's that sound advice for you that you just brought up. You know what I mean. And it's like Bodybuilding in life, they go hand in hand. You know what I mean? They go like hand in hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, such an analogy, right, yeah, so, oh, rudy, I mean kind of what just going off with Zach said I mean, so you guys obviously were business partners. Now you get Zach has a main athletics and you have your gym as well. So you're all that, all those things you learn during your bodybuilding career. You know 10 plus years of Bodybuilding and lifting weights and all this stuff that you learn and now you're able to instill it back into other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to make to help them be their best selves and be their most healthy selves mentally, physically and also People that you're coaching in bodybuilding and posing and all that great stuff. So what's kind of that transition like, what's that journey been like of, you know, having a successful gym, successful business, successful clients, and now instilling all that, all the things you learn, all that advice?
Speaker 3:Well, I can say I'm just living a dream. Hmm, you know, as a kid I always wanted to have my own place at my own gym. No, accomplish that, you know, to be able to, you know, work the way I wanted, do what I wanted, you know. You know, the great thing about it is I get to wake up every day and you, I have the opportunity to work with people that want to come work with me. That's what makes my day.
Speaker 2:Your dream of reality.
Speaker 3:I'm not working, I'm retired. It's the way I see it, because I get to do what I love to do every day, and it makes it better is the fact that I get a lot of great people that want to come to me to help them with their journey With training.
Speaker 3:It's not just training man, it's managing people mentally Because, like you said, this is therapy Exercise is the best medicine for depression, for all those mental ailments that people suffer from nowadays stemming from social media, stemming from all these traumas that people go through life, from kids to, whether it be broken relationships, past trauma, everything, man, there's a saying 200 pounds is always 200 pounds. Iron therapies are probably the best thing you can do to help yourself, to build self-confidence, to have an opportunity to build a better version of yourself. Not just lifting weights, man, it's a lifestyle and that's what honestly makes me tick, that's what I live for.
Speaker 2:Love it. I always tell people it's more than reps and sets. This stuff goes way beyond more than just reps and sets. That's one of our favorite quotes. The 200 pounds will always be 200 pounds and the thing is is 200 pounds, it's going to be there tomorrow and the day after. It is absolute.
Speaker 1:It will always be there for you.
Speaker 2:It is absolute, exactly. It's one of those. It's a lifestyle man.
Speaker 3:If you allow it to be one Exactly Like for me. Training weights was my first love and I know it'll always be there. And the good days, the bad days Whenever I'm having a great day, it makes it better, and having a bad day, it makes my day better. But you have to be able to want to go do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you never regret a good workout right. Never. I mean you might go in there, you might stumble in there after a rough day and barely make it, but at the end of it your mindset's better your attitude's better, your mentality, everything is just a little bit better.
Speaker 2:So never regret it. Yeah, you're satisfied man. There's very few things that satisfy you the way that this does. Yeah, you know what I mean, because what Rudy said in the beginning, you get what you put in period. The more effort you pour in, the more you get back in return, exactly, you know what I mean. And that's just a simple truth. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And you know, like the most amazing thing about lifting weights I kind of mentioned earlier, it's like once you pick up a weight not for everybody, but for the most of us, that kind of picked up weights for whatever reason it was right, or a coach introduced us to it, we were playing football, whatever Most of us. Yeah, we've had instances where we didn't. We don't live for a few weeks, a couple of months or whatever, but I feel like we always go back to it. We always come back to it. It's something we always do throughout our life. So it's like if you could just get in there and, you know, find some way to get in the gym or someone to introduce it to you or your kids or whatever. It's like it's something that's going to be there for the rest of your life. Yeah, we always have life things that come up here and there injuries or whatever but it's always going to be there for you.
Speaker 2:It's a natural high man.
Speaker 1:You don't got to shoot up for it, you don't got to snort it.
Speaker 2:You don't got to do any of that you just got to come in here. Put a genuine effort, a good work, ethic behind that and you're good.
Speaker 1:You are good.
Speaker 2:So to talk about your business and to talk about where you're taking that, you have a team. You have individuals that are coming to you to seek the guidance and to seek the knowledge that you have gained throughout the years to help them get to that level where you once were. Tell us about that man. Tell us about coaching, now the athlete. What does that bring for you and what does that do for you?
Speaker 3:Well, that nowadays, because of the fact that I'm not competing anymore right now, is the it brings me the most joy, because now I get to live by carelessly through them.
Speaker 3:You know, I started later on competing later on, in my 20s, and you can say it's a young man sport, because I mean, if you tuned into the bodybuilding scene, every year there's a new cat coming out that's got freaking genetics, but they're young and so I'm privileged to be able to coach these young men and women that want to get their feet wet with this type of stuff and fortunately for them, I've walked the road they're trying to walk and that's what I tell them when I was doing it honestly it was mostly just me and trying to figure it out Then I got some help and then navigating through it it was kind of rough but at the same time I wasn't aware of the mental aspect that was going into it, the things that go through your head because again you're going to get all the praises and stuff like that, but people don't realize the things that sometimes go in your head, kind of some dark stuff.
Speaker 3:It gets rough. The doubt, mental anguish is really ugly sometimes and with my guys now I tell them there's nothing that you have felt, that I didn't feel anything. No, would it be negative? Talk to me, I'll help you get through those humps.
Speaker 2:You're not alone. Basically, you're not alone.
Speaker 3:You're not alone. I've done it, and if I was able to do it, coming from a small town and achieving what I did you can do it too. It's just again how disciplined you are, how driven you are to get to where you want to go. If you really want to do it, we're going to find out. We're going to find out.
Speaker 2:That's the truth yeah, 100%, Because again.
Speaker 3:I've got a lot of people that come to me and want to be like I want to do a show. Do you really? It just hurts. Yeah, rudy, I want to look like you. I tell them no, you don't Right. Tell them you don't want to look like me Exactly. And they're like why? Because it hurts too damn much. You don't understand the suffering I've gone through to get to where I'm at.
Speaker 3:But if you want to do it, I'll help guide you through it and I'll damn better hold your hand all the way through it. But at the same time, you got to be the one putting the work. You got to be able to do it, follow the plan to get you there and with me. I love this. I've grown to love competing. It just sucks that again, I just don't have time to be able to do it, to devote to it with what I got going on business, family. But with these young men and women, I live like heresy through them and I just want to see them be successful, doing their first show, getting their feedback, getting their experience, and then from there let's see what else you can do. Do you want to keep going? We'll figure it out and we're going to get there.
Speaker 2:So I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just talk about your business real quick. What's it called, just for those that are listening. What are you kind of focused there and what are your goals going forward here in the next couple of years, with your athletes, but also your gym yourself? What's this process and future look like for Rudy?
Speaker 3:Well, my gym is called the Body Builder. A lot of people get a misconception, thinking it's just a gym for bodybuilders. No, no, no, the play on words. I build bodies and that's why I called it the Body Builder. I don't just work with competitive people. I honestly, most of my clientele is just regular, ordinary people that want to just build their bodies to a better version of themselves, and they all come from different walks of life, different ages, and it's just people that I just want to find a nice environment, getting away from commercial gyms.
Speaker 3:Sure, because a lot of times it can be very intimidating going into a big gym, especially not knowing what to do, how to go about it. And with me, I don't preach weight loss, I try to get that. Or people say and focus on body recomposition, because that's what it's about. Weight loss sometimes gets overplayed what you weigh. What you weigh doesn't tell the whole story about you, and we got to see past that.
Speaker 3:So we try to touch and help people have a better relationship with food, learn more about what things to eat, how to eat better and still be able to have balance in their lives with being able to enjoy certain things but at the same time getting themselves to a point where they can be disciplined with the routines, how they go about their day and managing overall stress, because it all falls into place, it all comes together your sleep, your training, recovery, your diet, the lifestyle, the lifestyle and that's what I try to teach and coach my clients and my competitors to do and just manage themselves better and improve their lives. Because, again, this can help you get out of the biggest holes mentally, depression, all that stuff. You feel like crap. Go work out, you're going to feel better. But at the same time, you got to have the drive to want to do it, because I don't like working with individuals that complain, complain and complain. No, I don't mean that you got to come in with the attitude like, hey, I'm here to work, let's get something done.
Speaker 3:I love that I love that when I get a client that is motivated, but overall discipline is because discipline trumps motivation. So and hopefully I'm looking to possibly grow sometime. Right now I've got a little spot, which I love because it's controlled, and for myself I focus more on private setting, having been able to have a control of a number of people I train at a certain time, which takes away from the freelance and a lot of the stuff you see at commercial gyms and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:So it gives me a lot more freedom to be able to have control on how we manage the clients and how we train them and be able to separate and it flows like a symphony man. Yeah, love it.
Speaker 1:So where can people find you like your business? Instagram, my.
Speaker 3:Instagram.
Speaker 1:I'm terrible with social media Because you have an Instagram for your gym, and then you have your personal as well.
Speaker 3:I'm terrible. I've really fallen off with the Instagram ever since no business or family took over. I tried to make a post, but then I got my kids talking. Yeah, dude, it's a full time job, social media stuff, yeah but my social media handle for Instagram is, I believe is the bodybuilder underscore 559. Okay, my gym is located at 360 North Porter Road, off the cross street of Morton, and again it's just focused more on private and privacy, allowing my clients to be comfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, yeah sweet, you're building better human beings, man.
Speaker 3:Well, that's the goal.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Building better people Life codes.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. There's plenty to go around to.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, that's the thing. So anybody who's listening wondering why is Zach bringing Rudy into the?
Speaker 3:gym.
Speaker 2:It's because there's plenty enough for everybody to eat, guys. There's plenty enough, 100%. You know what I mean and, at the end of the day, I'm not Rudy and Rudy's not Zach. Each person that you run into is an own individual person that brings their own individual traits. And that's what makes life great. There's not another Zach, there's not another Blaine, there's not another.
Speaker 3:Rudy.
Speaker 2:So for people that are out there that are looking for a trainer, consider all options, consider all options, because Rudy could talk to you better than I can, maybe, or I might be able to talk better than he can.
Speaker 3:So for anybody listening? Like I said, yeah, it's all about vibes. Man, you gotta be able to, you know, with personal training, you gotta be, you know, get personal with the person and you gotta be able to be. You know, have a good relationship with you. Because, for me. I build a lot of relationships with my clientele, you know, and sometimes it gets no deep personal, you know, with some of the stuff we have to deal with mentally.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:You know, and it's just you know getting a good vibe off people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know and loving the way they work and how they work with you. You know, you know your service is pretty much. You know I don't really advertise much because a lot of my clientele comes from referrals. Word of mouth, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like Zach said, explore your options. I mean, do what's what works best for you, because what works best for you might not work what might not be what's best for the next person. Right, everyone's different. Everyone's got different needs and wants, and so yeah, it's styles man, yeah, styles too yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, you know, that's. That's the best, the best part about life, man. It's all one big experience, man. You know what I mean. You could either make it a bad experience and learn from it, or you can make it a good one by doing your homework and studying and making sure that your next step is the next step best for you.
Speaker 1:Hey, there's only one. You Right, there's only one, you.
Speaker 2:Exactly so Cool.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you guys Appreciate it. Thanks for coming in, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for taking the time to come over here, man, and talking to us and talking to all the listeners and stuff like that. Hopefully everybody gets some, some good, solid advice from this and yeah, man Can't wait to put this one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's pretty fun. This is just, I think, therapy for all of us too, man. So we get, we get, we get to learn a lot too.
Speaker 2:Me and Rudy. We're a lot cheaper than a therapist. I'll tell you that right now. So see you guys, you know, come find us. Yeah, for sure We'll help you out Cool.
Speaker 1:Well thank you guys. Thanks for everyone for tuning in.
Speaker 2:Thanks, rudy for taking the time to come join us today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cool, thank you guys.
Speaker 2:All right, guys, cool, catch you later. Yeah, sweet man, that was a good one. We'll signal you, guys. What are we going to catch for tonight.