#90 The Milkshake Phenomenon: A Journey into the Power of Belief
Oct 05, 2023
The Focus Cast
0:00 Mind Power and Food Labels 9:48 The Power of Meditation and Biofeedback 17:51 Overcoming Limiting Beliefs and Taking Control 27:49 Rights and Safety in Farming Challenges
Ever thought of how your mind has the power to shape your physical experiences? Well, brace yourself for a revelation as we unravel the astounding link between our thoughts and physical realities. We're taking you through a stimulating journey, starting with the eye-opening Milkshake Experiment that fundamentally changes our understanding of satiety and our relationship with food. Imagine the same milkshake; one labeled low-calorie and another high-calorie, having the same effects on the body. It all boils down to what you believe!
Venturing further into the influence of the mind on our bodies, we explore the practice of meditation and biofeedback. Harvard scientists have found that simply clearing your mind for 15 minutes can alter gene expression and impact inflammation, circadian rhythms, and glucose metabolism. Biofeedback, an intriguing mind-body therapy, could well be the key to changing how our bodies function and boosting our physical and mental well-being. Sounds impressive, doesn't it?
In the last leg of our mind-bending journey, we reflect on how our thoughts, particularly limiting beliefs, and the effects of trauma shape our reality. We also touch on the importance of self-care in maintaining our overall health. Touching on the controversial side of things, we discuss the Dutch agricultural agency's backlash to the burning of a black rock, reminding us that pushing the status quo can have unforeseen consequences. Join us, as we discern the power of the mind and its effects on our daily lives.
0:00 Mind Power and Food Labels 9:48 The Power of Meditation and Biofeedback 17:51 Overcoming Limiting Beliefs and Taking Control 27:49 Rights and Safety in Farming Challenges
Ever thought of how your mind has the power to shape your physical experiences? Well, brace yourself for a revelation as we unravel the astounding link between our thoughts and physical realities. We're taking you through a stimulating journey, starting with the eye-opening Milkshake Experiment that fundamentally changes our understanding of satiety and our relationship with food. Imagine the same milkshake; one labeled low-calorie and another high-calorie, having the same effects on the body. It all boils down to what you believe!
Venturing further into the influence of the mind on our bodies, we explore the practice of meditation and biofeedback. Harvard scientists have found that simply clearing your mind for 15 minutes can alter gene expression and impact inflammation, circadian rhythms, and glucose metabolism. Biofeedback, an intriguing mind-body therapy, could well be the key to changing how our bodies function and boosting our physical and mental well-being. Sounds impressive, doesn't it?
In the last leg of our mind-bending journey, we reflect on how our thoughts, particularly limiting beliefs, and the effects of trauma shape our reality. We also touch on the importance of self-care in maintaining our overall health. Touching on the controversial side of things, we discuss the Dutch agricultural agency's backlash to the burning of a black rock, reminding us that pushing the status quo can have unforeseen consequences. Join us, as we discern the power of the mind and its effects on our daily lives.
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Speaker 1:
Bro, when was the last time you had a milkshake?
Speaker 2:
It's been a long time, I know right. Actually it sounds pretty good. I know it's been long enough.
Speaker 1:
It's been a long time. You need to get it with the raw milk so you don't feel like shit. Yeah, what if I had a milkshake that was labeled low calorie and high calorie?
Speaker 2:
I would probably grab. Well, usually low calorie tastes like crap, exactly I go for the full fat myself.
Speaker 1:
Yeah Well, it turns out there's an experiment about milkshakes and how they're labeled and how it determines how satisfied you feel and your hunger levels afterwards and actually changes your body and it turns out it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, this is wild. So today we're talking about the power of the mind.
Speaker 1:
Which is you know a lot of people get kind of woo-woo with this. But you know they want to separate mind, body, spirit or whatever.
Speaker 2:
But it's all connected. And today I'm really excited because, bro, when you told me about the story of the milkshake, I was like that's freaking cool, we got to talk about that. Let's talk about it. All right, let's do it. Jonathan Noel, I'm Brian Noel. This is the Focus Cast, where we help you reduce distractions, increase focus so you can live a life with Intention, intention, intention. That sounds nice. So back to this milkshake, yeah, so tell me about it, bro. All right, milkshake experiment.
Speaker 1:
I got this off PubMed. We'll have the link Nice Somewhere. So this is a test whether physiological satiation how satisfied you feel, as measured by the gut peptide ghrelin, may vary depending on the mindset in which one approaches consumption of food. Ghrelin kind of tells you when you want to eat stuff like that or when you suppress it after eating, you don't feel like eating anymore.
Speaker 2:
Nice Makes sense, right, yeah? So in this experiment, on two separate occasions participants consumed a 380 calorie milkshake under the pretense that it was either a 620 calorie milkshake, indulgent it was labeled. Yeah, or a 140 calorie milkshake Sensible, yeah. So apparently, in this experiment they gave them a 300 calorie milkshake, but one was a 620. One was labeled One was labeled 620 and one was labeled 140.
Speaker 1:
But they were all the same 380 calorie. So what happened, bro? All right, so then they measured the ghrelin via intravenous venous blood samples at three points after 20 minutes, 60 minutes and 90 minutes. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:
And here's what happened. This is crazy. Let's hear it, bro. The mindset of indulgence produced a dramatically steeper decline in ghrelin after consuming the shake, whereas the mindset of sensibility produced a relatively flat ghrelin response.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, exactly Participants. Satiety was consistent with what they believed they were consuming rather than the actual nutritional value of what they consumed. So you just saw it on the label. You said this is an indulgent mega shake and you felt fuller and more satisfied, are you? The satiety was how the fuck do they? The ghrelin response was more, was stronger.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so mindset meaningfully affects physiological responses to food. Imagine that the power of the mind.
Speaker 1:
This is why we talk about if you want to start eating healthier. You can't obsess about like oh, I ate two Oreos, now I'm going to die, yeah, cause then you're just making it so much worse than actually eating Oreos Like having a bowl of ice cream at night you know, you can sit there and be like man. I'm a piece of shit. This is horrible for me, all the sugar you know, doing way more of a disservice than just being like then if you just ate that bowl of, ice cream and gleefully went to bed and you said hey, I deserve this.
Speaker 1:
You know this is a little treat that I earned.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, Well, since we've been drinking raw milk and I, I love milk- but, I, haven't had milk for years because pasteurized milk destroy your stomach.
Speaker 1:
Well, it's just gross. It doesn't taste good.
Speaker 2:
No, it doesn't. Um raw milk tastes so good. It's completely different experience. So I have me a little glass of milk at night and it just warms my belly, isn't it great?
Speaker 1:
Oh my gosh. When I go to Nellie and and and Andrew's, I'm like I felt like I was snitching for a second raw milk. Uh, when I go hang out with my friends and Ellie and Andrew they always have the raw milk and I'm like fuck, gotta get a glass while I'm here and it's so good.
Speaker 2:
That's why you and I look in people's fridges every time we go to their house just to see if they got that raw milk. Then I know who they are.
Speaker 1:
I'm like okay this is a safe space instead of that low fat, oh, ultra pasteurized even if you're drinking regular pasteurized milk, if it's like 1% or skim, it's like it's like Milky water.
Speaker 2:
This exactly was so gross Anyway. So yeah, pretty cool experiment.
Speaker 1:
So what you?
Speaker 2:
believe to be true about the food changes your perception of how much consumption and how full you are.
Speaker 1:
This is what I imagine when you grow your own food.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
You know, because I've grown some food for myself, not shit loads, but when you eat it there is that kind of like you look at it different and you feel more satisfied and you're like wow, you know, every bite is like this something I grew kind of thing, and you feel really satiated.
Speaker 2:
You know, it's a pretty interesting reality of how many times do we as human beings, especially Americans, eat and feel guilty for that meal?
Speaker 1:
Depending on the person, could be quite a bit. Yeah, I don't, because I understand that that's a negative impact on the body overall. Yeah, but I think I still do sometimes for the people who are like hyper strict on their diets and stuff, you know, and then they slip up and they beat themselves up.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Fuck, yeah, yeah, what the Some soup just came up.
Speaker 2:
Speaking of indulgent, so if you label broccoli as indulgent, as indulgent, super high calorie, indulgent broccoli will you be more satisfied when it's over?
Speaker 1:
I don't know, because if you do it yourself, is that different than?
Speaker 2:
having someone else change the label and you being part of an experiment or no, of course you can look at it different. Yeah. So our next example of the power of the mind is the placebo effect.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, this is a classic which we're all familiar with. Yeah, everyone knows that when they're testing new drugs, you have to have a placebo group. Yeah, you know, and I don't know why people get all woo woo Like you can't change things with your mind, because it fucking exists for a reason.
Speaker 2:
It's, and they've been doing this for years.
Speaker 1:
Years.
Speaker 2:
They've been testing the placebo effect forever.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, a placebo is used in clinical trials to test the effect effectiveness of treatments and is most often used in drug studies. For instance, people in one group get the actual drug, while the others receive an inactive drug or placebo. The participants in the clinical trial don't know if they receive the real thing or the placebo.
Speaker 2:
And oftentimes or sometimes, a person can have a response to the placebo. The response can be positive or negative. For instance, the person's symptoms may improve or the person may have what appears to be side effects from the treatment. These responses are known as the placebo effect.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so I can give you a sugar pill and I can show you that the side effects like this might cause heart pain and fucking diarrhea or whatever. Yeah, and if you're part of that group, you might have some of the side effects from the sugar pill.
Speaker 2:
Isn't that amazing I mean it really is the power of the power of the mind into your point, like for people who are, like you know, holistic medicine or meditation for healing, and they're like, oh, that would never work, like I don't believe in that. But yet the placebo effect has, like been part of drug trials forever, yeah, that's just kind of funny.
Speaker 1:
It's pretty funny, you know, and there's people who Like are you thinking about your inner dialogue? Yeah you know, you know you, so we're gonna act like you're gonna act like the placebo effect exists, where you can take a pill that has nothing in it and give yourself symptoms.
Speaker 1:
You know, shit like that, but that your inner dialogue doesn't matter when you're sitting there like calling yourself a piece of shit, or are you're angry all the time Like yeah, as if this isn't having any effect on you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so I'm thinking about Doing a Very intentional meditation round through fasting where I meditate on my body healing itself and I just literally focus on that to the best of my ability, yeah, for like a month, and that's great. And like, take different parts of the body Every meditation session, yeah, and focus on that totally. I think that would be cool, I think that'd be great. I'm gonna try that try it.
Speaker 1:
What else we got? All right mindfulness, speaking of which mindfulness and meditation. Oh wow, I don't even know that's next to even though Humans have been doing this since fucking forever. Yeah, you know, since we're in the United States, we've got to wait for Harvard to tell us so Harvard scientists have come up with evidence that the mere act of Clearing your mind for 15 minutes each day actually alters how your genes operate. Wow yeah.
Speaker 2:
So a new study indicates the people who meditated over an eight-week period had a striking change in the expression of 172 genes that regulate inflammation.
Speaker 1:
Circadian rhythms.
Speaker 2:
Oh yeah, circadian rhythms and glucose metabolism. So literally, okay, cool. So inflammation, circadian rhythms, which is sleep, right or no? That's heart your heart rhythms.
Speaker 1:
No, your circadian rhythm is, yeah, the Sun, waking up with the Sun and go on the bed when it's dark.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so your sleep patterns and you're awake patterns right, and then your glucose metabolism. Wow and that, in turn, was linked to a meaningful decrease in blood pressure. Yeah, from Harvard that edu. Bam bam changes your whole body. Isn't that amazing. Just to focus on, just clearing your mind for 15 minutes.
Speaker 1:
You know what gets me? Humans have been doing this forever, but they've got a fucking grant money To do this study. This is like this is like me asking for five million dollars to get a grant to see if water keeps you alive when you drink it. Some dumb shit like that yeah this is what kills me about this the science. Yeah, that's pretty funny, it's pretty stupid, but you know what? That's great that they did this study and it's great that you now we know it's.
Speaker 2:
You have an expression of just two dudes in a podcast. Yeah it's a Harvard study, yeah.
Speaker 1:
We don't need.
Speaker 2:
You know all the Buddhists and all the Chinese and the Taoist and thousands of years, all the cultures that have been meditating Since fucking humans were alive, since we were in the cave we. Needed Harvard we needed Harvard. So, anyway, that's Great. So next we've got bio feedback. This was kind of cool. You know, we talked about biohacking.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you know, if you put bio in front of it itself, right, maybe we?
Speaker 2:
should call this bio focus.
Speaker 1:
Bio, the bio focus podcast. I'm gonna say me a bio dump.
Speaker 2:
So bio feedback is an alternative medicine approach that teaches people to change the way their bodies function. It is a mind-body therapy that may improve your physical and mental health. That's by Cleveland clinic.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah. So what they do during these sessions? They put on the, the monitoring equipment, and they measure your body's functions and, based on feedback from the instruments, the practice practitioners suggest how you create physiological changes and with education and practice, you can learn to make these bodily changes without the equipment. This is the same shit, basically, as meditating I almost had to put it near. But you regulate your breath, yeah, and you do certain things and you look at the response. So it's this is almost just another term for Meditating like breath work, yeah, shit like that.
Speaker 2:
Well, what's really other things humans have been doing since forever. Yeah, but this concept of Meditating on your body healing yeah, you can meditate on anything, yeah, but like these studies show that that actually heals your body, which is amazing, yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like, um, you know, in our therapy sessions when we do EMDR and we go back to a traumatic memory or a traumatic emotion attached to a memory.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And then, um, you go back to that age. So my therapist is always like how low does that feel, you know? And I'll say like five. And then she's like okay, as a 41 year old, what do you want to tell that five year old?
Speaker 1:
Right.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, Based on what you know now right.
Speaker 2:
Everything's okay, or you're safe, or you're loved, or you know all that kind of stuff and um. But that's literally my brain, uh, one part of my brain, which is my now logical thinking brain, going back to this emotional brain, which is the other side to the memory, to the memory, and then through meditating, through narrative Reattaching, a positive emotion to that experience. Yeah, right, yeah, so likewise, like this biofeedback around, like it's funny, we um on some of our content we don't get, you know, a lot of comments yet because we don't have like a million followers. But I remember when we posted that one episode on um and we talked about how you know the knee when your knees bad, and if you sit there and talk about Abba, bad knee, and why would you ever say a part of your body is bad? Cause your body, like, does everything it can to serve you.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And like we actually got a lot of comments on that quote, with people saying like that's dumb, that's dumb. They're like oh your cancer is not your body trying to kill you, or inflammation is not your body trying to kill you.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And I was just, I was honestly, I mean it doesn't surprise me, but I was actually kind of surprised that, like people just generally hate their bodies for some reason, yeah. Or they've convinced themselves that their bodies are terrible or suck or ugly or they just don't like themselves and just don't like themselves. Yeah, which you're right. A lot of that probably comes from past trauma.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely, but it's weird, but everything, basically it all comes from past trauma and conditioning, from society and school and all that.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
And parents, whatever.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
So you know you can't say that your thoughts don't affect your experience in life and your and everything.
Speaker 2:
Your brain literally changes whether you think you're full or not based on the label. Your brain.
Speaker 1:
You can literally have the side effects from a drug when you don't even take, when you take a sugar pill.
Speaker 2:
That's how powerful the brain is.
Speaker 1:
How powerful the brain is, and then people want to act like it doesn't matter. You know you can't be in both. Yeah, I mean, unless you just want to be like clueless or oblivious yeah. You know, if you say my fucking same thing with your knees have bad knees I have a bad back. I have a bad back.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
There's nothing I can do about it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, you're right, because you fucking tell yourself, because you tell yourself every single day. There's no hope. Yeah there's nothing, no one can hurt. That can help you, yeah, man. So anyway, that's basically the whole point of the episode. I think it's like, how do you sit on both sides? Yeah, don't, you can't be there and say that the shit doesn't matter and does matter at the same time.
Speaker 2:
I think it's perfectly acceptable in this moment to say maybe I was wrong, it matters, and I think what's really cool I know for me when I read stuff like this is really being introspective and analyzing every single thought, especially the negative ones. Thought audit, Thought audit. Whoa bro, that was good.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
But really really be intentional about every single negative thought.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it might be exhausting at first.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it might be a lot of negative thoughts, but what else?
Speaker 1:
I mean, how would you expect to grow, yeah, and really understand yourself? Yeah, I mean, you really just want to walk around and be basically subservient to all your past traumas and conditionings, all your conditioning, and let all that subconscious stuff control everything you do? Yeah, and you just aimlessly drift as a person with no control, yeah, and then you're a victim. Everything happens to you. I have bad luck. I always hit the red light. I never get this, never works out. Yeah, sounds horrible. That's not how I'm going to live.
Speaker 2:
So this is funny, not funny. So for the person who's like in this state right, and they're just constantly like constantly, just everything sucks.
Speaker 1:
They're saying fuck you right now to you and I.
Speaker 2:
So then what's funny is like, let's just be very direct, right For a moment.
Speaker 1:
Okay, well, go for it.
Speaker 2:
So you live in that state and you work in a company and you never get the promotion. Sure.
Speaker 1:
Why the?
Speaker 2:
fuck. Do you think you deserve a promotion if you're a miserable person and you're miserable to be around and nothing ever works and everything is against you?
Speaker 1:
Yeah. Who would want to work for you? Who wants to hire? Who wants to? Who wants to promote that person? Yeah. Who wants to promote and bring someone up the ranks? Who is just going to bring everyone else?
Speaker 2:
down. It's like hey, I see how miserable you are, I'm going to put 20 more people under you so you can make more people miserable.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, but it's not that, it's not their fault. Everything is you know you have to start the work. You have to start the inner work.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, but to your point, the beautiful part of all this is you can be healed.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely, that's that's, you can release all this shit.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, fuck, yeah, you can fuck yeah and you can crush it absolutely and you can be happy, yeah, and you can feel good.
Speaker 1:
What's amazing is there's been times in my life where I just did not feel smart, yeah. And there's been times where I felt fucking like in school. Everything was easy. I'm not trying to sound cool, but I didn't have to try that hard, yeah. And then when you smoke a lot of weed and you drink a lot and you eat like shit and you don't sleep. Yeah and you do that for a couple years, then all of a sudden you're like Wait a minute, I used to be able to think straight. Now I'm like slow.
Speaker 1:
Yeah and I thought I was. I was like am I dumb? Now, well, turns out, there are consequences for your actions, but you can reverse it all. You can reverse it all. So no, I don't really smoke anymore. Yeah, less booze, less bullshit food. Now I feel better than I've ever felt.
Speaker 2:
What's a B word for marijuana? Is there one Blunts, less blunts, less booze less blunts, less booze, bullshit, yeah, so boom.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, there's times where you just might feel like it's impossible, it's all fucked up, I'm not good enough, I'm not this, I'm not that, but you can't push through. It's not necessarily always easy, yeah, but you have to start dropping off the shit, you know yeah, that's a good point that you know is not serving you like is staying up till four in the morning, drinking every night, serving you? Probably not, probably not. Is you start with the big ones and then you work down to like the the more subtle ones?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 1:
But I think people are capable, most people. Everyone everyone's capable of a lot. Yeah of a fuckload.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
I agree with that 100%. You have to get out your own way sometimes anyway, but I threw some examples on here of how just you can think about something and have a Physiological response. Yes, it's the power of the mind. So yeah, it's funny when Brian and I camp together, he always imagines someone Murdering us in our sleep every time and you know what I'd never do on the first night sleep, sleep. How's your heart rate Feel when you think about?
Speaker 2:
that I'm sitting there laying in my cot. My heart's racing, yeah, and I'm thinking through all the scenarios. Yeah when I think through the most is when I fall asleep. Someone just starts stabbing me through the tent, over and over in my back, yeah, and by the time I figure out what's going on, I can't even move, because my kidneys are Probably yeah, punctured yeah I. Think about that one a lot.
Speaker 1:
So that's fucking wild.
Speaker 2:
And then by night too. I'm so tired I don't think about any of that. Yeah, go to sleep.
Speaker 1:
Yeah so, but it's funny that you can sit there and like relive a past thing, or you can think about these crazy scenarios and your heart rate goes up. I've never the adrenaline starts going and this is there's no, there's no bear, there's no murderer. Yeah you're just literally thinking about it and you can cause an adrenaline spike. Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 2:
You can do all this shit just some just making up, making up a story. Yeah, I've never been stabbed in the woods. I've never almost been stabbed in the woods.
Speaker 1:
I've never even been around. Anyone who knows a person who's ever been stabbed in the woods?
Speaker 2:
Yes, and based on statistics, the likelihood of being murdered in the woods is far less than driving Flying. Yeah, a TV falling on me.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, tv. That used to matter when they were the big two, yeah, but now it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it's true, because I did read the stat that more people die from TVs falling on them than shark attacks.
Speaker 1:
But Back in the day, when TVs were like 400 pounds river the big, like the first big screens. There was like a fucking. It was like a that's like a Scaffolding, like, look like a look at a billboard.
Speaker 2:
It's basically a billboard. You had to plan your furniture when you bought that TV. You had a. You had a tube out for us on that shit. Anyway, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. So I mean, is there really a solution? I just pretty much read. There are intentions and the things we say in our minds. I think it matter.
Speaker 2:
Another good example is like when your boss is like hey, I want to talk to you at the end of the day.
Speaker 1:
Oh, here we go, yeah, and then?
Speaker 2:
all day. You're just like what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? I'm gonna get fired, I'm gonna get fired, I'm gonna get fired, I'm gonna get fired. You have panic attack and you get. The end of the boss is like hey, I forgot to do that thing, will you do that tomorrow? And you're like or when they say that, right, when you're going home, and then like hey, I'd like to talk to you in the morning when you come in. Can you come in a little early?
Speaker 1:
Oh, and then you go home.
Speaker 2:
You can't do anything. You're like, oh no, something big is happening, something big. You're mean to your family, you're in your head, yeah, and you get the office. And he forgot. Yeah, are you sick that day. That's why I do tell people that, as a coach, I tell anyone and everyone as a leader, be very careful in how you provide Feedback and how you communicate like that, because that shit matters.
Speaker 1:
Yeah good boss wouldn't do that they wouldn't understand, or they could preface it with hey, it's nothing big.
Speaker 2:
Tell them what it's about?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I just say it's a quick meeting about some small thing.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, like I want to get your feedback on the meeting you were in last week. I wasn't in. Can you come in early? Let's talk about it.
Speaker 1:
No, we're downsizing. Hey, we're downsizing. Let's have a meeting tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so anyway, yeah, it's good stuff. So the solution is, man, like we said, just be introspective and aware.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you can't live in a world where you think that the body and the mind are some separate things. Yeah, I mean and then understand that you can use your mind, you can meditate and activate genes that reduce inflammation and yeah and blood pressure and all this, and that you can take a pill, a sugar pill, and give yourself the one that I struggle with is the end of the world.
Speaker 2:
Not like the actual end of the world, but like the next the end of our world. That, yeah, the end of the world as we know it right the next pandemic. But they push a little harder, you know yeah all that kind of shit, like like no internet for Six months, no food supply for two months. Yeah, no, you know, power grid goes out and it's 20 degrees outside. How do I keep my family warm? Like that kind of stuff. That's the one that I can slip into like becoming severely anxious.
Speaker 1:
Having the family changes that yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:
yeah, visualizing you watching your kids freeze or starve to death Brutal is tough, yeah, so Well, all we can be is more self-sufficient. Yeah, which isn't very easy because there's laws against that. So I can't even have fucking chickens unless I have two acres in God County.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it's bullshit. Yeah, can you?
Speaker 2:
have solar? Can I sue the county to say that's unconstitutional?
Speaker 1:
That's playing their game. What does that mean? That's playing the game as they You're playing. If you play the game Like them, you don't win. Yeah, right, you can't sue the federal government, right?
Speaker 2:
but I can sue the local government for encroaching on Citizen rights. Yeah go try it. I think I will. I'm gonna sue Cobb County Because they tell me I can't have chickens. I'm gonna see if that works.
Speaker 2:
Yeah actually I'm not gonna sue them. I'm gonna call a couple lawyers and see if they would even pick up that case. They'll be like, sure man, 50 grand you might know work, but I'll try. Yeah, if you could change one law. The only problem is, like the second, you do that and then, like Everyone in the county knows where you live.
Speaker 1:
All of a sudden they start showing up and they're like uh, this is against code, You're gonna have to update this. Yeah and you know, all of a sudden, these random things start happening.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you know you're on the pulled over a lot more on the county watch list. Yeah, like, oh, we've got a citizen Trying to, you know, exercise the rights exercise their rights. You can't have that you can't have that trying to kill an unjust law. We've got a hey, we've got a radical extremist he wants, chickens he wants fresh chicken eggs. He's a danger to society. Look at this fucking guy. I know.
Speaker 2:
I saw one of the Senate committees and they were talking about how we've completely and utterly destroyed farmers, local farmers, intentionally over time over the past 50 years, and they said the guy made up a great point. I wish I remembered his name, anyway. And he said um, how in the world do we live in a society that this is the point he made? I can Kill livestock and give it to my friends, but the second I charge them for it. It's quote unsafe by the FDA. Yep, it's not unsafe if you give it away.
Speaker 2:
It's only unsafe when you make money. It's only unsafe when you sell it.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
So the way he articulated that argument and the difference between safety and monetization was brilliant. Yeah, smart guy. But what the fuck's gonna change Until we start getting a bunch of tractors and spray manure France style, france time they, we go, france I know, those are Dutch.
Speaker 1:
Those Dutch, I don't know. France. I'm doing some crazy shit over the past six for them.
Speaker 2:
Oh, france burnt down a black rock. You know, the Dutch were the ones.
Speaker 1:
I think that spray them in your and the agricultural Agency. I think it is possible to push too far. And then eventually there's gonna be some kind of there's me some blowback, rightfully so.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, there's only so much we can take. Yeah, anyway, the power of the mind. That being said, let's roll, let's roll.
