Running Beyond Limits: Angelica Grubel's Journey to the Six Star Medal and the Heart of Marathon Racing

Embark on an awe-inspiring journey with Angelica Grubel, a beacon of tenacity, as she shares her story of earning the coveted Six Star Medal by completing the Abbott World Marathon Majors. Her tale isn't just about the miles clocked but the sheer willpower it took to bounce back from a broken ankle and race through the streets of Tokyo, Boston, and four other iconic cities. Angelica joins us to reveal the sweat and spirit behind her top running achievement, and her insights are bound to resonate with anyone who's ever faced down a seemingly impossible goal.

The marathon: a test of endurance that's as mental as it is physical. We pull back the curtain to show you the emotional marathon within the marathon – those moments when giving up seems like the only option. Our conversation with Angelica Grubel takes a turn into the diverse world of marathon runners, defying the one-size-fits-all runner's stereotype, and embracing the vast array of ages and body types that thrive in the realm of 26.2. With each stride and story, we tear down the misconceptions that have long overshadowed the sport, encouraging every listener to lace up their running shoes.

Wrapping up, we delve into the surprising synergy of genetics, VO2 max, and endurance, and how unconventional runners are redefining athleticism. The discussion shifts from muscle fibers to mental fortitude, celebrating those who defy the odds and their own physical blueprints to cross finish lines ahead of the pack. This episode is not just about the victories but the shared joy and community found in the competitive spirit of running, urging you to find your own rhythm and race past the expectations of others. Join us for a conversation that's as much about the heart as it is about the heart rate.

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Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to. There is a Method to the Madness. My name is Rob Maxwell. I'm an exercise physiologist and personal trainer. I'm the owner of Maxwell's fitness programs and I've been in business since 1994. The purpose of this podcast is to get to the real deal of what really works and, most importantly, why it works. Today we have another exciting episode with an interview. We've had Angelica Grubel on the show before, and she talked about one of her accomplishments last time. Well, now she has finally completed one of her huge life goals and bucket lists, so we're going to talk about that a little bit. Before I get to that, though, speaking of bucket lists, I have to give some congratulations to Jonathan and Lynn Gilden of the Gilden Group at Realty Pros. I congratulate them because they are absolutely the best in the real estate business. You know how. I know that they're constantly selling houses. Success begets success, so if you need any help, please give them a ring at 386-451-2412. Without any further ado, let me reintroduce to you Miss Angelica Grubel.

Speaker 2: 1:22

Hey Rob, how are you?

Speaker 1: 1:24

I am very well. How are you?

Speaker 2: 1:27

I'm doing good.

Speaker 1: 1:28

You still have some jet lag.

Speaker 2: 1:30

Yes, definitely a little bit. Sleeping is not easy After 14 hours time difference and 18 hours in an airplane. It takes a little while to get used to it.

Speaker 1: 1:41

So why do you have some jet lag? You flew out to Costa Rica, or something like that.

Speaker 2: 1:45

Not quite. I actually flew out to Tokyo, japan, to finish the last of the six marathons in the Abbott Six World Major series. I did London last year, that was my fifth star and Tokyo was my very last star, the sixth star medal. So I flew out there last week and ran the marathon.

Speaker 1: 2:09

So did you say, Abbott yeah?

Speaker 2: 2:11

that's the name of the series. It's World Abbott. They sponsor the series, basically.

Speaker 1: 2:16

So Abbott's the sponsor. So what are the six major marathons that you completed?

Speaker 2: 2:22

So we're very lucky.

Speaker 1: 2:24

How many years did it take to complete all six For?

Speaker 2: 2:27

me it was six years, but I have talked to some people in Tokyo and there were people there that it took them 20 years to complete. I didn't know they did it that long. It's been around quite a while, but the six major marathons are New York, boston and Chicago here in the United States, then Europe has London and Berlin and Asia has Japan. So for now those are the six, but there is more to come.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Did you get a special medal?

Speaker 2: 2:56

Yes, so you always get your regular finisher medal, but when you complete the series, they actually take the six medals that you got and you get a miniature version of that medal made into one big medal. That's a pretty cool thing.

Speaker 1: 3:10

Yeah, that's definitely a cool thing. So I heard through the grapevine that you had a little bit of a rough start to this, so like you didn't exactly go into this marathon 100% fresh and training, is that true?

Speaker 2: 3:27

Yeah, that was a little unplanned. Yeah, what do you say? Accidents? A few weeks ago we were training really well, everything was going good, and then, unfortunately, I decided to do a trail run and broke my ankle just before Christmas and that was a little bit of a step back there, because for a while I was wondering if it will heal in time to actually run a marathon.

Speaker 1: 3:53

Was it a trail run or a trail race?

Speaker 2: 3:55

It was a trail race and I stepped on a route and twisted my ankle and broke my fibula.

Speaker 1: 4:02

Wow, that doesn't sound good.

Speaker 2: 4:03

No, it was six weeks of casts and boots and yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:08

Well, how the hell did you then turn around and do a marathon under four hours, two months later?

Speaker 2: 4:15

The first two weeks after I was in a cast I couldn't do much. There was crutches and cast. There's not much going on. But as soon as I got into the boot we started biking, we started water running again and I kept my cardio up as good as possible with those activities until I was released finally after six weeks. And then we kind of made the decision to take it easy and just like do a few short runs, one or two longer runs I think the longest one was 15 and play a little bit and say you know what fitness will take over and you'll finish so did it it did it, did Ankle held up actually really good until about mile 21.

Speaker 2: 4:59

Then I started feeling it a little bit, but just slowed down, walked a little bit and still finished under four hour.

Speaker 1: 5:05

So was this the slowest of your major marathons right in the middle?

Speaker 2: 5:10

Now that was actually second slowest, I believe, because Boston was actually my very, very slowest marathon. It was way over four hours. It was 2018. And I don't know people who run this will remember that marathon as being absolutely horrible weather and yeah, that was probably one why, if it wouldn't have been Boston, I don't know if I would have stuck it out.

Speaker 1: 5:35

Was it the one that was really cold or the one that was really hot?

Speaker 2: 5:38

It was cold, rainy and gusts of wind up to 40 miles an hour. So when they got us off the bus they wouldn't even allow us to go into a corral. They just said start line go because they were afraid that people would end up with hypothermia. But you did it, we did it. Nice Finished it.

Speaker 1: 5:55

So what do you think? Is this like? You've had some really nice endurance awards through the years. You've had a lot of accomplishments in the running world. You've won the Grand Prix series in Daytona. At least what? Two times, three times, yeah, two three times.

Speaker 2: 6:13

So where do you rank this? This is top, this is just. It's been such a journey. It's been years in the making. It's been qualifying for races just in order to be able to go. This is probably the biggest accomplishment in my running career that I can honestly say I this was hard work and perseverance.

Speaker 1: 6:37

So why would you say that you do it? Like, what is your main motivation behind the marathons? They're hard, not so much the, you know, the six majors, because that's a really cool accomplishment, and if somebody can do that, not everybody can. I mean, you have to qualify for some of those big races. But like, why the marathon? So, like, what would you say is your main motivation behind doing all this? Doing all this insanity, this madness.

Speaker 2: 7:09

Madness, I think marathon for me is it's a huge challenge. It's something I have to train. For A 5k, I can show up. The worst thing is you walk it and you're going to finish it. That's not the case in a marathon. You have to train, you have to have the discipline to get out in the morning, run your runs, the dreaded 20 milers. But all that training for a marathon when you cross the finish line makes you feel so accomplished.

Speaker 1: 7:38

But don't you really have to train for a 5k to do well Like, do your best as well.

Speaker 2: 7:43

Yes, to do the best and run really fast, yes. But just when we talk about just finishing a 5k, somebody could go jog a mile, walk it and still be able to finish In a marathon. You're not going to finish. There is a time cut off. If you haven't trained and you want to walk the whole thing, you are not going to finish it. In Tokyo, actually, they had very strict time cut offs at certain points in the course and they would sweep people. They would sweep people meaning taking them off the course, and the last one was at 21 miles. So you're only 5 miles away from the finish line and the big yellow bus comes and you get on. They won't let you finish. So it's a lot of discipline and training and it's a huge accomplishment and it's like, I don't know, moving a mountain sometimes.

Speaker 1: 8:29

So what's the main motivation though? So it sounds like it's hard, it's a challenge. You don't want to do something that say everybody can do. Are there any other motivators that I mean your marathon times are all like. You have a couple, two or three exceptional times and all of your times are good, like they all seem to like. The wheels never completely fall off the bus, so you do well at marathons. That takes motivation. So what drives you? When you want to quit because I think anybody that's ever run anything longer or really even a 5k there's always a point where you want to quit. But the 5k, if you quit, you can walk it in another 20 minutes and you're done A marathon. It's a long afternoon, so what drives you? What is your main motivation For people out there that are listening? We have a lot of runners and athletes and people that listen to the podcast and also people that come to the gym because you train some folks here. They're interested in your running. What drives you? What drives the tank? What drives the?

Speaker 2: 9:38

tank, the German tank. What drives you? What drives the German tank?

Speaker 1: 9:45

Because you're German, right? Yes, I am.

Speaker 2: 9:48

It really is a thought of giving up, not giving up, just whatever it takes.

Speaker 1: 9:54

Isn't that how you got?

Speaker 2: 9:56

that name, the tank. Yeah, it crosses my mind. It gets hard, it might have to slow down. Of course, all of that crossed my mind in three and a half, four hours of running. But it never, ever crosses my mind that I will give up If something happens, I get hurt. Well, that's different.

Speaker 1: 10:14

Like tripping on a stump at a trail race, yeah, and breaking your legs. You still finished. You still hobbled in on the broken leg. I hobbled in. That was pretty impressive. I know that because I was there and we didn't know what happened to her and we're waiting at the end and one of our friends said that she had had a little accident out on the trail and next thing I know she gimps in about I don't know, 30 minutes later.

Speaker 2: 10:34

But anyway, you prove that being injured so giving up is not an option, it's just not. I don't know. It never crosses my mind that I will just stop.

Speaker 1: 10:45

What's giving up to you?

Speaker 2: 10:48

Stopping for no other reason than it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 1: 10:53

Is walking given up.

Speaker 2: 10:54

No, no, as long as you keep moving.

Speaker 1: 10:56

Keep moving. Is slowing your pace down, giving up? No.

Speaker 2: 10:58

Absolutely not, absolutely not. It's just if you go, I'm done off the course. I just don't feel like doing it anymore. This is too hard. My everything hurts, my stomach is upset. There's so many things that go on in a marathon, but yeah, it's just like three races, isn't it? For what?

Speaker 1: 11:18

For the marathon Can you kind of describe that. People talk about it being three races. So, like you just said, there's so many things that occur. I mean, I've run some myself and it's like there's that point where you think you can do no wrong. Then there's that point where you think you won't finish and then there's that point where it all comes together. So talk about those three races within a marathon, because it's never a consistent right, never consistent, but I think everybody has their own little races.

Speaker 2: 11:46

So for me the first 16 miles is like 60.

Speaker 2: 11:50

16 is happy, go lucky, that's. Nothing can go wrong. I'm running a good pace. From 16 to 21 is. 16 to 22 is when the crunch is on. That's when it gets. Oh my god, I still have 10 miles left. That's when it becomes great and you just have to get through it and you try to hold onto the pace, maybe slow down a little bit and then, once you make it to 22, it's like okay, this is like no four miles left. This is a little bit more than a 5k. I've done a million 5k, so sometimes you even pick up the pace for the last five just because now you can see the finish, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel and adrenaline and you can, like you know you get really excited about finishing.

Speaker 1: 12:35

It's very psychological Right.

Speaker 2: 12:38

I think so.

Speaker 1: 12:38

It sounds like you only have two races within the race, because a lot of people have three. But it sounds like you have everything's great and then the wheels fall off the bus, kind of you hold it together hold it together and then, just you know, smile and finish. So it sounds like there's more like two. Not that's good, I mean, but everybody talks about it never being the same from one from beginning to end. There's always, like, different feelings involved.

Speaker 2: 13:01

Oh, I know that when I ran Boston mile eight I was ready to say that that's it, and usually that's when you know when the race starts. Really, for me starts mile seven, that's when I get comfortable. Boston mile eight I was like, wow, this is going to be a long day.

Speaker 1: 13:16

I wanted to quit Disney at mile three. One year, mile three.

Speaker 2: 13:20

That might be literally 2005.

Speaker 1: 13:22

I finished but yeah, I really so not wanted to be there, but that's my own story. So, yeah, I know, I know what you're saying there. So, all right, let's, let's segue a little bit into the rest of your running career there. So, like I think you know, we go to five Ks a lot, a lot of us. We go to different running events on you know a lot of our clients. If they don't run them, they volunteer. So they know, you know. So you are absolutely your typical prototype, prototypical, that was easy to say runner, female runner. You know you're five foot two, 110 pounds. You know. So of course you're gonna run fast, right?

Speaker 2: 14:01

Yeah, I would say I'm exactly the opposite of a normal runner. I think if you would, people see me at the start and I might line up a little in the front. They probably look at me and go like what is that chick doing here? Because I'm five, six, I'm usually around 140 pounds, something like that. I'm 53 years old. I don't wear the cute shorts. I'm not a typical runner. It's by no means. I have big legs, big thighs. It's not, if you envision, like a cross country runner. I'm not. It, absolutely not.

Speaker 1: 14:38

So obviously I brought that up as sort of a parody for the listeners that may not know you, because in my opinion, as an exercise physiologist and trainer and a person, that knows you.

Speaker 1: 14:49

I think that's the most impressive thing, because I know from doing a lot of running events myself that it is a hell of a lot harder and if people don't realize that, they just need to pick up a couple dumbbells and try to run. When a person is bigger and I would also argue, in many ways it is healthier because you're solid. I mean you're all muscle. It's not like you're 145 pounds of fat or whatever. I mean you're muscular. You look maybe more like like if someone were to guess they might say a tennis player, not so much in the Serena.

Speaker 1: 15:23

Williams but maybe more like in that build a little bit, which is very athletic and all. But even though it's muscle, it's still weight you've got to carry, and you carry it faster than 99% of the women at these local races. I mean talk more about that. That's pretty impressive. I mean, like, can you imagine you wouldn't be healthy, of course, but like, if you were 25 pounds thinner? I mean, would you be running like a 14 minute 5k or something?

Speaker 2: 15:54

I don't know. I don't know, I can't explain it. Could you be a Kenyan? I could be a Kenyan. I don't think I'll be a Kenyan, but I can't explain it. I don't know. I think my running, of course, training, all of it is there, but it's very mental. It really is. It's just because I want, I want to be fast, I want to you think there's more to it. I don't know, I'm all slow, twitch muscle fiber.

Speaker 1: 16:22

That helps Well explain to the people out there that kind of what that means, because that's true, that's absolutely true, and I'm not disagreeing with you that there's a lot of heart involved in that. But, like your, times are so much faster than somebody that might weigh 25 pounds less, I mean. And the age thing you know that's a factor as well, but at the same time that's more common. You know you see more and more faster runners in their upper 40s and 50s and even 60s and sometimes 70s. I just saw some incredible 5k time by a 75 year old woman the other day, but you know that's world class. But you know what is it Like, what is it about those? So what's the advantage of having a lot of slow, twitch muscle fiber? Maybe explain what that is and what's the disadvantage, if there is one.

Speaker 2: 17:14

Well, it depends on what sport you're doing. So for me the advantage is that I can go and do endurance events. That's slow twitch. I can go on forever. Now, if you give me. I did some track competition and I have to sprint, not so much because there's very little fast with muscle fibers in me.

Speaker 1: 17:36

I cannot do so bad in the senior games you got to do.

Speaker 2: 17:39

Yeah, but definitely not in comparison to endurance. This was just not even. I don't know. I don't think you can compare that. I didn't do bad, but still I'm not like, even when we work out in the gym or stuff, fast twitch is not my friend.

Speaker 1: 17:54

So what does all that mean? What do you mean by this fast, slow twitch stuff?

Speaker 2: 18:30

Basically how my muscles work and how they get energy. Versus somebody who's in bold, that's a sprinter and only needs energy for a very short period of time 20 seconds max, probably. What 100 yards he runs it in like nine seconds.

Speaker 2: 18:48

Very explosive, fast energy right there 9.1, sorry, and for me it's like exactly the opposite. It's just everything. I can go on and on and on. My muscles can I'm looking for the right words to explain it. I have no, really zero power or quickness. My muscles don't fire like that, they just slowly go on and do their thing, and so that's the reason why I can go and run a marathon, but I cannot run a 9.1 over 100 yards.

Speaker 1: 19:26

So, regardless of what we see with these social media influencers, isn't it true that that's genetics?

Speaker 2: 19:32

You're muscle fiber type, that's it. I can change that, that cell. I can change my muscle fibers.

Speaker 1: 19:38

We used to say in the coaching world with people if you want to be world-class and you're not, go back and pick better parents, right.

Speaker 2: 19:45

Yeah, or a different sport.

Speaker 1: 19:46

Right, because we are genetically geared towards one sport or the other. And if you're more of a fast twitcher which means, like you described, you have explosiveness but you don't have a lot of endurance then you better go to sprinting or football or basketball or potentially baseball. If you're more slow twitch, you're going to get more into the endurance sports right.

Speaker 1: 20:07

Yeah, and most people actually are more like 50-50. But I think one of the things that age you is, I think you're more like 80% slow twitch, 20% fast twitch, which for your age and circumstance you're a pretty elite runner that way. So it helps you, right? Oh, absolutely. I mean, is it really? A huge disadvantage that you can't squat 400 pounds.

Speaker 2: 20:30

No, I really don't need to squat 400 pounds ever in my life.

Speaker 1: 20:33

Right, so I mean you go with what you have.

Speaker 2: 20:35

Yes.

Speaker 1: 20:36

All right. So what else? Talk a little bit more, because this is an educational program for the most part and I want to get people into running and into endurance events. I mean, finally, the medical community is starting to jump on board with the importance of a high VO2 max. For those people that don't understand, that's the maximum amount of oxygen your body can produce. It's the gold standard of how fit and healthy your heart is. So they're showing now that, like, whether you're thin or whether you're fat or whether you're obese or whether you're ripped is pretty like doesn't matter when it comes to your VO2 max, that you have to train your VO2 max. And so many people don't do cardio for the right reasons, right, they do cardio because they want to lose weight.

Speaker 1: 21:21

And if you read my famous bestselling book you Can't Outrun a Poor Diet, you realize that that should come through your diet. But we should be doing cardio and intense cardio, not all the time, but maybe at least once a week. Really push ourselves hard so we can build that VO2.

Speaker 2: 21:39

I absolutely agree. And again, VO2 max, like you said, very genetic and I was lucky, my VO2 max is rather good, but you train it too.

Speaker 1: 21:46

I do train it too.

Speaker 2: 21:47

But if I would have a VO2 max of 30, I don't think I could do the marathon. I do so.

Speaker 1: 21:54

I was very healthy.

Speaker 2: 21:55

No, but I couldn't train it up to 60 from 30. Correct. So that's you know all these things. I'm very lucky with my fast, slow, twitch, muscle fibers, a high VO2 max. That's what makes it possible for me to do those endurance events, Miss Angelica.

Speaker 1: 22:13

I think you might be being just a little too modest.

Speaker 2: 22:15

Don't you think?

Speaker 1: 22:16

that you put in a lot of work as well.

Speaker 2: 22:19

Oh yes, maybe you should take some credit here.

Speaker 1: 22:21

Sure, you've got some genetics, but at the same time, like, what I want people to get from you is the fact that, like you, don't have to look like a runner to go run and run well right? Absolutely, I totally agree with that. Yes, so how do we get more people to follow like your story and just get out there and really understand that not only is having a high VO2 max cardiovascular system important for performance, but studies have shown it could take years off your life or add years to your life.

Speaker 2: 22:55

Okay, add years. Don't take them off, add them. I think, If people would understand that. I don't think people understand cardio. They think they go for a walk, they do cardio. They think they're going for a leisurely bike ride, that it's cardio. They don't understand the real reason to do high intensity cardio, what it does to their body. I don't think they know how much cardio, how hard to go when, how long, and then being uncomfortable when you do that. Except that it's going to be uncomfortable when you do that hard cardio.

Speaker 1: 23:27

Well, elite runners though they're never uncomfortable, right? They just make it look easy because it is right yeah right, that's a good joke.

Speaker 2: 23:36

It's hard.

Speaker 1: 23:36

It's very hard.

Speaker 2: 23:37

It hurts. I want to quit. I do quit sometimes, I know sometimes we do intervals and I will literally jump off the treadmill and said I can't go anymore. But then you get back on and then you get back on, but you know that it's going to be hard. And when people like non-runners or people that are not into fitness tell me that they do in cardio by walking their dog, then, yeah, very clearly they do not understand the word cardio.

Speaker 1: 24:03

Well, how about when you run into people and they'll say something like well, I'm not a runner and I guess if it doesn't come easy I shouldn't do it? How about that? Because that's a message I hear a lot that is so wrong. I don't think people realize that sure, somebody might look graceful when they're running, but they're hurting.

Speaker 2: 24:22

Oh, they're hurting, you know, no matter what, and especially in those five case, don't you ever think it doesn't hurt, like no matter. It's never easy, it's never easy. Those are the hardest races to run. That's harder than a marathon. Running a fast, fast 5k hurts way more than running a marathon.

Speaker 1: 24:38

I mean you're at 95% of your capacity from the get go.

Speaker 2: 24:41

From the get go and you can't let go, you can't. It never lets up it just gets worse, it gets worse. It gets worse every mile. So no, there's no such thing. It's just you know. You just do it because you are trained to accept that it's going to hurt, Because you have done hard cardio in your training, so you know it's going to be hard for a little while and then it's over.

Speaker 1: 25:02

Do people out there that want to start improving their cardio respiratory endurance? Do they have to make it so complicated?

Speaker 2: 25:09

No, it's really very, very simple If you go back to the basics, really find, first of all, find something that you enjoy to do cardio. Don't do it just because weight loss and somebody said bike or somebody said run.

Speaker 1: 25:24

Peloton.

Speaker 2: 25:24

Peloton. If you hate it, you're not going to stick with it and consistency is where it's at. Just because you do something for two months and then the peloton ends up in the corner, then no point in it, no point in spending the money. You have to find really the mode of cardio that you enjoy, that maybe you can do together with friends and that you can keep up, that you can be consistent in. That's the biggest thing.

Speaker 1: 25:49

The sports psychologist? I believe. No, he's a journalist, but he covers sports psychology. Michael Easter, who I listened to a lot. He's got some great books. He breaks it down real simple. See, if you like this. He says you know, besides your normal cardio of doing something almost every day at a modest tempo, one day a week, do something. That sucks.

Speaker 1: 26:10

Like instead of saying, oh, I'm going to do these intervals and I'm going to make it really complicated, I'm just going to do something that sucks. So for me, I try to do a 5K every weekend for that reason, because it's hard, right. So maybe if somebody wants to improve their cardio, they can look at it that way do something just once a week that gets them out of their comfort zone, pushes them whatever it is, whatever it is, just you have to get out of that comfort zone.

Speaker 2: 26:37

There's just no other way around it. There's no other way around it. You have to get that heart rate up, you have to get your respiratory rate up and it's going to hurt, it's going to be uncomfortable, but that's where it's made Well we only have a couple minutes left.

Speaker 1: 26:51

So why don't you tell everybody what is up next for the tank? What is the tank going to do now? I mean, you did this, you got six medals. You flew everywhere, from Japan, the Cambodia, the Germany to Switzerland, to Africa, Like you've done more freaking marathons in the last six years. What's next?

Speaker 2: 27:16

I think for right now, recovery is a little bit on the table. It's only been a week and a half since the marathon.

Speaker 1: 27:24

So you're just not going to race.

Speaker 2: 27:26

Getting back into training and then I'm going to focus a little bit more on the short distance races, like five k's and 10 k's.

Speaker 1: 27:34

I jumped and interrupted her there, folks, because so you know she's done a race since she got back, so her saying she's not going to race is silly.

Speaker 2: 27:42

I did not say I didn't race, and actually I've done two races. I just recovery is important to it. When marathon takes out a lot of your body, you cannot forget that you need to recover from those. Of course those five k's are fun, but if you look at the times, it's just not there yet.

Speaker 1: 27:59

My body is still telling me then You're not back up to the speed. No.

Speaker 2: 28:02

What are you doing?

Speaker 1: 28:04

Science says you should take like you won't be back like for a day for every mile. So you figure you did 26.2,.

Speaker 2: 28:12

You're not really going to be recovered for 26 days or a month, and you have to keep that in mind and enjoy the journey through that I mean that doesn't mean don't do anything.

Speaker 1: 28:20

Okay, so you're going to recover, but what's the next goal?

Speaker 2: 28:23

Next goal will be short, shorter races around this area five k's, 10 k's, trying to get that push for the time one more time, like really trying to get fast again. It's kind of fun, isn't it? It is.

Speaker 1: 28:33

That's under. I mean. So admit it here, just admit it on this show. I'm going to be the first person that gets her to admit this on live air. You like beating them, little skinny ones, don't you?

Speaker 2: 28:45

Come on, I like beating them all. I don't care if they're like skinny or big. Come on.

Speaker 1: 28:51

You like they show up and they're in their perfect little running shorts and they weigh like 30 pounds less than you and they're looking at you like they're getting ready to grind you. And then you beat them, you like it.

Speaker 2: 28:59

Of course that's fun. There you go. None wrong with that.

Speaker 1: 29:04

I think it's pretty. You know we got to have something that drives us, but hey, I would flunk that too. I've got the opposite story. Once One of my first five k's I did over in Orlando. I was in my 20s. I was running pretty fast in those days and I'll never forget getting passed by a girl. There was, like you know, I don't know 200 yards left, not much. She goes flying by me. I hear these footsteps and I look over and like in my mind I'm like there's no way she should be running faster than me, like I thought she was a little overweight or whatever. Well, I thought we're wrong because she blew my doors off and it's a valuable lesson that you just can't really judge a book by its cover, right?

Speaker 2: 29:37

That's correct. You could be super fit at any weight, right? Yes, 100%, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:43

So people got to get rid of that stereotype, don't they? Yes, all right. So this has been yet another great journey in the journey of tank and good interview. We appreciate you coming by. And now we have to thank one of your buddies who you actually trained some time Zach Hawk and Papa Jeff, owners of overhead door of Daytona Beach. They have the best garage door company in the state of Florida and we're local to have them here in Daytona Beach. So give them a shout at overheaddoordatetonacom.