Are you ready to be in the front seat of a mind-stirring journey through the world of sports and fitness? Buckle up, as we team up with Big K Hunter and K-Mac from the Made on Ridgeway Sports Podcast. Together,we grapple with the current state of sports gambling in Ohio, and toss in humor, making our discussion an engaging, entertaining ride. We also engage in a thought-provoking debate about the resurgence of "small ball" in baseball and critically analyze the Cincinnati Reds and their current standing in the NL Central.
As we shift gears, we drive into an immersive discussion that touches on the UFC, Jake Paul, and NFL training camps. We navigate through the evolving landscape of MMA and pit-stop at an in-depth evaluation of energy drinks and their impacts on fitness. We invite you to join us as we splash our thoughts about the pros and cons of gambling on MMA fights. We also take a deep-dive into the pay disparities among NFL running backs and the repercussions these have on team development.
Finally, we hit the trails of football and soccer. From the Women's US Soccer Team's victory over Vietnam to the strategic importance of each position in a must-win game, we dissect every aspect. Our expedition ends on a poignant note, expressing gratitude to our dedicated listeners from the UK and Detroit. Whether you're a sports enthusiast seeking an in-depth analysis or someone looking for an entertaining talk-show, our episode promises to quench your thirst for a riveting audio journey. We encourage you to connect with us on social media and keep the conversation going. Buckle up and enjoy the ride!
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(00:22:43) Sports Gambling on UFC
(00:29:40) Supply and Demand
(00:37:14) NFL vs. College Football
(00:45:51) College Football Betting
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(01:29:44) NFL Season Preview
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Are you ready to be in the front seat of a mind-stirring journey through the world of sports and fitness? Buckle up, as we team up with Big K Hunter and K-Mac from the Made on Ridgeway Sports Podcast. Together,we grapple with the current state of sports gambling in Ohio, and toss in humor, making our discussion an engaging, entertaining ride. We also engage in a thought-provoking debate about the resurgence of "small ball" in baseball and critically analyze the Cincinnati Reds and their current standing in the NL Central.
As we shift gears, we drive into an immersive discussion that touches on the UFC, Jake Paul, and NFL training camps. We navigate through the evolving landscape of MMA and pit-stop at an in-depth evaluation of energy drinks and their impacts on fitness. We invite you to join us as we splash our thoughts about the pros and cons of gambling on MMA fights. We also take a deep-dive into the pay disparities among NFL running backs and the repercussions these have on team development.
Finally, we hit the trails of football and soccer. From the Women's US Soccer Team's victory over Vietnam to the strategic importance of each position in a must-win game, we dissect every aspect. Our expedition ends on a poignant note, expressing gratitude to our dedicated listeners from the UK and Detroit. Whether you're a sports enthusiast seeking an in-depth analysis or someone looking for an entertaining talk-show, our episode promises to quench your thirst for a riveting audio journey. We encourage you to connect with us on social media and keep the conversation going. Buckle up and enjoy the ride!
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(00:00:00) Sports Gambling Podcast
(00:07:50) Otani Trade Odds
(00:15:23) Baseball Analytics
(00:22:43) Sports Gambling on UFC
(00:29:40) Supply and Demand
(00:37:14) NFL vs. College Football
(00:45:51) College Football Betting
(00:52:58) Running Back Pay
(01:00:50) Running Back Pay
(01:07:25) Running Back Pay
(01:14:57) Running Back Salaries
(01:22:29) Running Backs vs. Kickers
(01:29:44) NFL Season Preview
(01:37:14) Women's Soccer Success
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Speaker 1:Hello everyone and welcome to the ShackleUp podcast. You fucking asshole Every time. You guys are just stupid. Oh, oh man, you gotta keep it. You gotta keep it when the poppin' bottles and crackin' tabs is the only crack that, dirk does. You're supposed to be muted right now while I'm talking, but I'm one of your hosts, anthony. I'm Dirk and we have a special group of guests. We are collaborating with another podcast. We have Big K Hunter hedging always.
Speaker 4:How you guys doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're doing alright Hunter and then we have K-Mac, k-mac Hunter. You're supposed to be back on mute, it's alright, it's alright. So, yeah, we got a lot of things going on here. We have some technical things we're looking through, so I'm gonna remind these guys to mute their mics and all that stuff so you guys don't get a ton of echoing where you hear my voice more than once, Cause, let's face it, you guys don't listen to this podcast to hear my voice. You listen for good stats and good crack, like Andrew. But yeah, no, okay. So you know, I said raise your fucking hand at the beginning of this podcast, andrew. Alright, raise your hand. Okay, I got you Alright, let's give him a shisho, it is gonna be very nice.
Speaker 4:Y'all sound like a bunch of old schoolgirls right now. Schoolgirls, alright, we're back and forth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we sound like a bunch of schoolgirls, Hunter, because you've barely hit puberty, so you know he's a I'm only saying it cause he's a Michigan fan we got that's the other thing that's gonna make this episode kind of good and hopefully we can get these guys back during college football season is we got two Ohio State fans and we got two Michigan fans. And before let's get into it, Kurt, since you have a, basically a clean microphone right now and I can speak and you can speak without, you know, having any Grand Canyon echoes going on, so tell me about your podcast and all that stuff. What are you?
Speaker 5:guys doing the Mid Made on Ridgeway Sports Podcast. Yeah Well, we've been really pretty much just grinding through the off season a variety of topics covering basketball hockey, a lot of UFC's, since they've had about eight events straight for about eight Saturdays. They're still going strong. There was some UFC on there today. So just some off season stuff with a little bit of NBA and NBA draft NHL draft stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I guess my question to you is is what is what is your? So? Our podcast is basically sports, gambling, major sports topics, and that's kind of what we talk about, and then bullshit like Andrew's a swinger and we got that. You know. This is also a movie review podcast. For those of you who have been with us since the beginning, I'm actually kidding. It's always been a sports podcast. But what is what is the premise of your podcast? And, hunter, if you want to chime in, you know the rule raise your hand like we're in kindergarten. You're referring to the ones we're going to be starting soon. No, I'm referring to what the fuck is your podcast about. If you go, hey, oh, hey, I do the Ridge Made on Ridgeway Podcast. Oh, that's great. What are you are you making? What are you making Cause? You're made on Ridgeway? Are you making hats? Are you making clothes?
Speaker 1:Recovering, recovering sports every week, oh, covering, so you're just a sports covering podcast in general.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean we've been enticing with gambling embedding a little bit because that's finally legal here, but we don't look into that until a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1:No, that's cool, Hunter, tell me, let's say it from your mouth the, the kindergarteners.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean. So the way I would put the Made on Ridgeway Sports Podcast is we also kind of like to touch on the major sporting events. Obviously, I kind of follow a variety of sports. That allows me to cover a lot of different things that some people, some other people don't. So I think that we talk about that a little bit more than the Drudas no Podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 4:But I think that, like Kurt mentioned, we got into sports gambling recently and we've been doing a daily bed series that's over a hundred episodes strong now and that's been really fun to have Kurt incorporate it in now and just to see that and keep going and keep our record up, and that's fun. So yeah, I would say that covers it.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, cool man, I'm excited to have you guys here. Obviously, we have been trying to do this and this four person panel is going to be fucking funny today. I mean, here's the thing. I'm going to tell you something about what I like about my podcast. Raise your hand. Hand, damn it. You would think that he's drunk by now, but he's not Well, he's got a little bit. He's just like heat exhaustion has been kicking him in the ass. He's running around the airport trying to figure out how to fly. So yeah, so like that's the kind of stuff you're going to get with us If you guys I don't, you guys, I don't know how much you listen to those.
Speaker 1:I know we try to listen to each other's content and stuff like that, but it's a serious, not so serious podcast. I like throw a joke in there. We talk about random stuff and all that good, good, good, good, good things, and then sports gambling, because obviously we wanted to start hitting on that market because it just hit Ohio. So we're like, what can we do when I want to start a podcast? What can we do to kind of set ourselves apart from other podcasts of people talking sports? And then what can, and obviously there are sports gambling podcasts out there, but in Ohio, yeah. But I will say one thing and, andrew, I don't know if you know this and I haven't told you yet, or anything like that, but we have our, our, our main listeners are in Detroit, where we get our downloads a lot. You know what number two is.
Speaker 3:I don't want to hear the word Detroit, the rest of the fucking podcast, number one after today. But who's our number two? The UK.
Speaker 1:We have a listener in the UK or a couple of listeners that have put themselves second, like the UK is second when listening to our podcast, which is kind of different. Um, worldwide, what's that, hunter?
Speaker 4:I would just say, and especially for an American podcast to have a UK following is you know it's good, it shows that you know you're getting variety from different countries, even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, for sure, and you know I can't ask for more. We have a great group of things. And is there anything else you, kurt Hunter, you want to say about your podcast? Throw it out there.
Speaker 5:I mean, honestly, we pretty much just stick to the main points. Who want to hit the key main points? Sometimes we get sidetracked, but more or less it's really just about getting deep into what we saw, the games we watched, and just kind of reviewing things and how they went, yeah, and then preview upcoming matchups, how we think they're going to go, and kind of just kind of reflect the back and say, oh, we were wrong on this or we were right on that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Again, and that's your typical sport, and I don't mean typical in a bad way, but that's. We do that same shit, especially during football season and all that stuff. But speaking of typical shit, let's talk about some typical shit. Um, I know on the agenda it is baseball season. There's no more basketball, no more hockey, it is ba, it is baseball. We are after the all star break and with that that means the baseball season is in effect and it's actually only got a month and a half left. I mean. So all of these teams are buying for positions and playoff spots and stuff like that. So I do want to talk about before we actually get into teams in the actual sport, because this is big news. Oh, Tony, he's looking for a trade. Now I don't know if anybody's behest, has anybody in here been paying attention to it at all as far as close, like um, what they know, because I got I got some info where he may go. Go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've been kind of following his, uh, possible destinations. I don't know how likely they are to happen, but I mean I am curious to see. You know he went out of our way like, um, I kind of came as a shock to me but where, where is he going to go? Where do you think? What are the odds?
Speaker 1:Well, the, the big head say like um, the four main teams right now are Dodgers, san Francisco, uh, seattle and the Yankees. But I have a sports gambling touch on this, because the odds say differently. They're kind of similar but there's a lot of differences to them and I'm going to break this down. And this is why sports gambling and talking sports with intertwining sports gambling is so much fun, because you just get a different perspective on it and you're like huh, the odds are better here, but yet this is they're not even talked about in the running for this. Go ahead, andrew.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree with that. Uh, you know, that's really why, you know, I get into it so much, because it's all about the numbers, like you know, the. You know I just wanted to say this and then, like, something just happened, like how did we end up here? Like, well, vegas said he was going to go there and that's kind of what you know. That was the favorite spot to be. So it does give you a different perspective, besides listening to ESPN and Fox sports, whatever. So, even though I still listen to those guys, the sports betting aspect of it makes it more interesting. All right.
Speaker 1:So, honey, let me ask you this real quick. Um, if I those those four teams that I said Dodgers, san Francisco, seattle, yankees there are two teams that from that that are not actually in the top running. What two teams do you think that is?
Speaker 4:So you said the four was the Mariners, the Dodgers, the Giants and the Yankees. So I know one of the Yankees. Could they've fallen off the face of the earth since being here with the injury bug? And I believe the Giants are playing good baseball and the Dodgers are playing decent. So who was the other one? I'm missing one. I'm missing Dodgers.
Speaker 1:Oh um, Dodgers, San Francisco, Seattle and Yankees, and what two do you think are not in that run?
Speaker 4:Like they're not there. They shouldn't be top four. Yeah, I would say Yankees and maybe Seattle.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, go ahead. Um, yeah, so you're wrong with the Yankees. So here's the thing when it comes to sports gambling, the Dodgers are a plus 350. They're number one to land O'Tonny right now. When it comes to odds, the odds makers, vegas things that you know, obviously the Dodgers are top. Yankees are number two at plus 400. Yeah, so, and then, um, these, so the top two other teams that that, um, the big heads say that he might go, um, are actually Seattle and San Francisco. They're actually six and seven. The top four teams according to gambling is the Dodgers, yankees. I just gave you those two numbers and then Tampa Bay rays at plus 500 and the Texas Rangers at plus 600, seattle's at plus 750 and San Francisco is at plus 1200. So he's got a better chance to go to the Texas Rangers than Seattle and San Francisco. But you know, hey, the hot stove guys on ESPN, maybe they know more than me. I'm just talking to them. Vegas is about winning their money and keeping their money, though you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:So try to keep it in house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know he's, he's going to be, he's a great baseball player. I just hope he doesn't go to the fucking angel Like he stays with the angels. You know like, go, you know, waste your career out there like Mike Trout.
Speaker 5:No playoff aspirations this year for them.
Speaker 1:Is there ever Nope, irrelevant? Yeah, while we're on baseball topic, me and Dirk we we went to a baseball game last night and I'll tell you what. He's probably not staying in Cleveland, but Jose Ramirez is a really good baseball player.
Speaker 3:Why would he not stay in Cleveland? He literally just signed a big contract with them because he wanted to stay in Cleveland. He took a hundred million dollars pay cut to stay there. So they got him paid and his exact words were I'm going to split my life. You know the same way if I make 250 million, if I make 150 million. So he wants to stay in Cleveland.
Speaker 1:Well, Andrew, I will tell you that Cleveland doesn't take, doesn't keep their good players.
Speaker 3:They don't. They kept him. They traded Lindor. He wanted too much money Okay, they traded them. Ramirez, they're keeping him. I don't see why he would leave. They signed him to a long-term contract. He blocked them for five years, so he wants to stay there. He took a pay cut. So LA Delacruz and Cincinnati we'll see what happens with them, because they don't like to pay players either.
Speaker 1:And actually let's, let's get into that a little bit. Are you familiar with Delacruz, you guys? The guy from Cincinnati Reds, third baseman, right, I believe? Or? Sometimes first stop. Yeah, so this kid got an assist in the infield, throwing the ball 99.8 miles per hour.
Speaker 5:Holy.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, this kid is good, he steals. He's a thief in the night when it comes to stealing bases. He doesn't have very many home runs, shockingly. He's got a few, but he doesn't have a lot. So a little bit about as far as like Delacruz goes, he's only 21. So he's got time to grow, obviously right, and he's got a batting average of 2.4, 2.74. So it's not. I mean it's good, but it's just more or less his athleticism that amazes people.
Speaker 3:His athleticism. He's got power. You know the way. Like you mentioned, the way he steals bases is, you know, amazing, his throws and everything but the dude hit for he's got a cycle underneath his belt already. Yeah, pretty impressive and just watching him play is just a lot of fun for fans. So most baseball fans you know, obviously I'm an Acquiva fan, but you can put me in front of any baseball game beside the T-ball, I don't. I'm not going to watch that show any baseball game and we're going to appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Right. So, Hunter, do you know anything about baseball analytics?
Speaker 4:Not betting but just analytics in general. Yeah, I mean. Well, I think I would need a little more specific on your question to really be able to answer that, because what do you mean by there's a lot to baseball analytics? So what is your question?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what I mean by analytics is like they took away a lot of these nerds no offense, nerds, I like your candy but they took away like small ball, like stealing bases and bunting and stuff like that. And it's all about launch angles and that the work, that home runs are the best thing that can happen to you and outs are not the worst thing that can happen to you, and the worst thing that can happen to you is in a grounder or an infield play, which I believe is wrong. And I noticed last night at the game and I saw it a lot is small balls coming back. There were so many steals last night in that game and I noticed it in baseball as a whole and like we even talked about the other crew stealing a lot and that just kind of makes my heart happy because that's entertaining.
Speaker 1:Great home runs are great. Like when we, when the Phillies hit two home runs at night they still lost the game and you know it's like, but watching somebody steal bases is exciting. And then like actually playing the game of baseball, realizing that you've got a hitter on third and bunting towards first base to get that guy out, or even just hitting a line drive, like that's your best bet to just keep. Whether it's one run or a grand slam, that one run is going to help you. And last night, what would Cleveland win by one run?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean it is coming back. I mean, like, even though, like one of my, we talked about having a movie reviews one of my all time favorite movies is Moneyball. Because of how I'm a money guy I'm a financial advisor, you know I love that stuff. But the small ball, it is coming back and I do enjoy it. It's going to bring the fans back to. I mean, I've not been in baseball stadium that packed in a very long time and we got to see the home runs. We got to see the stolen bases.
Speaker 1:I was on my feet watching those stolen bases, so yeah, and it was my first time watching the Phillies play, obviously, and I wanted to be able to say that I watched Bryce Harper and we taught I mentioned it too at the game that it was a very packed stadium. For a Cleveland stadium that I usually had been to, that was empty. You look at a lot of baseball parks around the league. They're empty, especially if the teams aren't that good. But Cleveland, I mean, they just are a beautiful sports town sometimes and you know they don't get the credit they deserve their football fans and stuff like that. And I'm not just saying that because Andrew is a Cleveland fan here on the podcast and we got you know K-MAC here is a Steelers fan. So that that's going to be fun if we get into football season and start talking here. And but, yeah, no, like it was, it was good to see that baseball was alive. Dude, what do we do? Like six waves last night.
Speaker 3:So yeah, two goddamn money. You know we had to tell people to stop. All right, you know that's done. We've done six of them.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, they are the city of Cleveland. I'm not. I have not been back for a while. I was actually surprised with the entire downtown area. What they've done with it Like having that football team back and the sports teams doing better there has made that downtown area much better. So if you just want a quick weekend getaway, go to Cleveland and check it out Not going to cost you that much money either.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, gary. You were about to say something.
Speaker 5:I would say you're talking about the wave where everyone stands and sings yeah, dude and they had all three levels going too.
Speaker 1:It was, it was pretty all three levels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like all three levels of the stadium. It was kind of funny, but we're still touching on the red still a little bit. So, like you know, we talk about these Ohio teams that aren't doing that good Dude. The Reds with with Della Cruz and this young ass team, they're 53 and 46. They're second in the NL central. They're only one game back from winning the NL central. Now, to put this in perspective in the other one the Braves are number one with 64 wins, dodgers are number two with 57. The Reds are four games away from being the second seed in the playoffs, and the MLB with an average age of 22 to 23 years old.
Speaker 3:I Did not know that set like the age and I'm young, they're young as hell no yeah, I watched them as much as I can, even being a Cleveland fan, so I did not know that age. Though that age average, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and meanwhile, like they're better than the Phillies and the Phillies hit like I know we, I know they're my team, but like they're a couple, they they're fighting. They're fighting for a wild card and they were in the world series last year. So We'll see. We'll see what happens with baseball. Guys like it's don't knock it especially playoff baseball. Have you? Are you guys into playoff baseball? I know baseball, probably during March and in April and May is probably like me, but I mean playoff baseball is where it's at because you get prime pitching and Prime prime hits. Hunter, you look like you want to say something over there.
Speaker 4:No, I was gonna say I try to look at those those classic like ace first ace matchups, because I do enjoy watching a pitcher's matchup, but man, especially nightings, nightings in baseball, I just have never been able to do it personally. It's just too slow for me. I mean, with the pitch clock improving, it's definitely improved and I think that I can definitely Watch more of a game that I could in previous when it would take three and a half four hours to finish the game. But in that same breath I don't. I still don't follow it a whole lot, but in I you know, when it is playoff baseball, I Watch it a little bit. You know it's, it's something that's on right.
Speaker 1:So when there's nothing else, so you got to promise me something here Playoff baseball. You have to watch it. Give each one game in each series. So the Divisional's, the wild card, especially the wild card. Because here's what's great about baseball now is you get the wild card game, which is one and done, and that's how the Phillies got in last year is one and done. There's no series, they it's a place, basically a play, into the divisional playoffs, and then it's divisional playoffs and then the conference playoffs, so, and then it's the World Series. Obviously, give it that one wild card game and one divisional matchup. Just pick a team, I don't even care who it is. Pick a team, watch it. And I bet you time will go by just like that, because with the pitch clock the game was only three hours and 15 minutes last night. That's shorter than a football game.
Speaker 4:I. That's something that I could stomach and that's exactly what I mean. It's like a three and a three hour 15 game is a lot different than I was probably being, you know, so around it might be a five hour baseball game in previous years without that kind of stuff. So, like I said, with that kind of stuff it makes it more Stomach a boy and I think that I would definitely I'll listen to you and I'll probably try to do that and at least try to give it these series, a game for each of these series.
Speaker 3:So I'm just. I've never heard the word stomachable. Is that a word?
Speaker 4:Is it? I was gonna say is it? Is it? I don't know. It sounded good.
Speaker 5:It is a word.
Speaker 3:K max. I did the word, so it isn't working out.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna go came back and if we got to make our own dictionary, I guess that's what we're starting with. The Stomachable is the first word to be dictionary, so that's what we do. That's what we do.
Speaker 3:All right, you guys heard it here on this track club podcast. It is official.
Speaker 5:I'll answer your question. You said, like if we follow baseball really in depth, honestly, me personally I've never been a big baseball guy. To be honest, I was never good at it, so I never was really Interesting of watching it. I've tried watching it. I'm kind of with hunter on this. It's just so long, it's too slow.
Speaker 1:And I agree with you. But that pitch clock makes a world of difference, like it really does, because it makes that game go by fast, like the first. I mean, dirk wasn't there for the first four or five innings because he was jerking it in an Uber or Innings I three and a half. I'm muting you. Um, just a great thing about producing right. I can mute anybody I want if you guys don't do.
Speaker 5:Man's got power.
Speaker 1:I took the power anyway.
Speaker 4:He doesn't realize he's muted. Okay, the guy that was this power. I see it now. Look at this dude. I can't. He's already starting this stuff. You, you guys, just wait. That's gonna be interesting. You guys just wait.
Speaker 1:What I was getting into is, with that, that um pitch clock, now man it. It makes a world of difference and it started this year for major league. So when you say I couldn't before, try it now and pick a team whether and I don't recommend the Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5:I know they are. They've always been terrible.
Speaker 1:I know, but I also don't reckon. I also don't recommend the Yankees and the Dodgers like. You know what I would do, man, go local. It doesn't have to be cleave. I mean, I know Cleveland is a is a is a Arrival of yours, but Cleveland or Cincinnati, they're young, up and coming teams. You want to be on a bandwagon? A bandwagon? You know the Braves. The Braves are always and they're entertaining to watch too. Like if I could I'd be a braze fan. I'm kind of a closet braze fan because I like watching those kids do out there. Andrew, you look like you have something to say.
Speaker 3:Even check out the Detroit Tigers. You know they're. They're up and coming. They're a lot of fun. You live in the area. Go watch some other hands. You know they're the farm team for the Tigers. You can see those, these kids that are up and coming and, yeah, you'll have fun with them too. They're doing good things up there. I like what they're doing, so I'm still amazed at that sat with the Reds. Oh, so check them out, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, what I was gonna get into was I definitely I'm not opposed to trying to watch some of the playoff games, though, because that's when things get pretty real.
Speaker 1:So and it makes your summer better when you got a sport to follow, especially when everything else dies down. That's, that's what I got to say. But, um, you know, speaking of like different things to watch and to do, I also brought you guys on, because me and Andrew really don't dip into this, especially when it comes to sports gambling or or anything like that and you guys do bets of the day on it and shit like that. But tell me a little bit, you guys are heavy into the UFC. So you know, I want you guys to kind of take the reins over from here and Tell, tell me. So tell me, what's about it is, how's the sports gambling on it, who's who's the new? Because I'll tell you what the last person that I watch kind of probably fight was kind of regreger and I know he's done retired and came back and retired again and all that BS.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know I, I mean I'm, you know I used to do it back back in the day a little bit with you know, obviously my, you know past stepdad and your, your father. Obviously you know Chuck Lidell and Van der Lee, silva and GSP and stuff like that. So yeah, that's their legends. But there's like I'm like, are they that old now? And I think about like, yeah, they're fucking an old now, you know. So like, tump, tump, bring it in a little bit. I even Nate Diaz is getting old now.
Speaker 5:Any, Nate's actually getting ready to compete against Logan Paul in a boxing match. I think I heard seventh. I want to say, nate, he, he's out of the UFC because they don't pay MA fighters Nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is what Jake Paul's beef is right Like he's, like that's how he gets these guys in. I mean, I'll say this if he beats Nate Diaz, it's either scripted or she's legit. At this point I don't think Jake Paul is necessary. I fucking don't want to talk sports about and this and it related to Jake fucking Paul, but at this point he's fought a few, he's fought a few. He hung in his, he hung in on his own on Mayweather, but Mayweather doesn't knock people out. Hold on, and and with Jake Paul doing what he's doing it, nate Diaz is a big get, so like to fight so, and Nate Diaz is a brawler and a striker, so I mean, if he can, I mean, boxing is boxing, so we'll see what happens. Andrew, you look like you were ready system. I just want to add a question to this.
Speaker 3:Where the fuck did Jake Paul come from? Who the fuck is guy? I thought he was just like an Instagram guy, but he just wants to fight people or like okay, so I hear about it. Here's how much I don't know about it, you know, like I don't pay attention, like I just could never personally will get into it. But I do appreciate the athleticism and the work that these guys put in, but for me, watching it it's kind of like for you guys watching baseball, just you know. So that's why I guess it's tell me about.
Speaker 3:Tell me about it like where the fuck you come from? The Paul's game originally from YouTube.
Speaker 5:They got real big off of you it was.
Speaker 1:it was Disney Channel first, though, wasn't it, yeah? And then the YouTube thing. Getting back to what you're saying, yeah, cuz I don't want to make this a show about Jake Paul.
Speaker 5:And is that screaming?
Speaker 1:And is that scripted or skill?
Speaker 5:It's gonna be a little bit of both, but Nate will. Nate will take the laws for the money.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I would too, but as far as the new I may cats, it's definitely changed since McGregor's been in there and it's it's honestly a total different variety. A lot of new guys are in there, a Lot of big names. Some guys are trying to push. They're not working. They're running the opta fighter. Right now they're actually getting ready to head into the semi-finalist for that, which is when it's like a basically a tournament to see who wins to become both at fighter okay and this is another fight night happened earlier today and there's a big pay review coming up next weekend.
Speaker 1:Oh, right now. And so exactly like how, how hard is the gambling on that? I mean, is it pretty much like, is it just like who wins, who loses, kind of money line thing, or is it like based on round you?
Speaker 5:can. You can dive in and do it either way. You can pick the round, you can pick how they win, how long the fight will last, or you can just go straight up win-loss. You can, you can that. All sorts of different parlays to the bet. Those hundred five more inclined at. I enter that more than me he's done I have with that.
Speaker 4:I feel like her kind of hit on everything. I mean they give you a good prop selection and then there's just straight money line, or or Not that a victory, and things like that. So I think that's a good wide variety of what you can bet on and you have seen just in that in general.
Speaker 1:I'll. I'm gonna Andrew. I don't know Andrew's doing over there. So the difference is mine is a, mine is a innocent PG 13 drink. His is a rated X drink.
Speaker 3:So Yours is a diabetes drink that gives people heart attacks quick.
Speaker 1:Well, let me see here. Hold on, let's see, cuz diabetes has a lot to do with sugar. Yeah, it does have a lot of sugar in it, but usually energy drinks don't do that. Now and you really didn't grab me an energy. So I asked, I asked Andrew grab me an energy drink. And, like a good friend in coho, see, absolutely did. But he got me a Mountain Dew amp energy drink, which I.
Speaker 3:I'm not into BMX bro or extreme sports, so you know I thought you guys just saw a drink, the same thing energy, drink it, you know.
Speaker 1:No, no man, I'm a lifter now. So, like I do the ghost and I do the Celsius and I do the C4 and you know, I mean I'm rocking the 16 inch biceps now. So we're good big fan of ghost, it's alright. This thing is the stuff they put in it. It's not. It's kind of clean, but it's not as clean as Celsius. And they got the same kind. They, I think they got the same caffeine content, but we're not we're not sponsors for any of those people, so we're gonna stop saying their names until they want to start sponsoring us. Hint, hint. Yes, we're still waiting on that Cialis and Viagra. So you know, just soon as they come in, we'll be making the big bucks. But you know. So here's the deal you guys watch baseball playoffs and we'll try to. Maybe we should go do fucking a UFC show and do some gambling While we're watching the UFC and like hit the cards and stuff.
Speaker 5:I Go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say UFC's. Honestly they've been, their cards have been really hitting. Yeah, I like sometimes, you know, sometimes you get a bad fight at night, bad night of fights, but Really recently they've been hitting it every Saturday but put on some pretty solid shows.
Speaker 1:Well, for me it's just kind of hard to follow because they got so like before it was just like Saturday night pay-per-views. Now it's like Fox fights and and FX fights and you know now at pay-per-view fights and I don't know where or what to follow really anymore. And that's kind of like where I'm at, like I don't want to go watch a pay-per-view because I don't know it's good, like who's good or who's not good, or what's entertaining and what's not entertaining.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love the business, founder, with UFC and what they've done, you know, I mean they have, you know, kind of taking the pay-per-view thing out of it. But I think we can actually go to the casino and watch those, like they don't charge us to be in, you know, place our bets in there, like with everybody here is 21,.
Speaker 1:Right, All right.
Speaker 3:I'm starting on decent hour of the night Like I think it's like because I'm old, I like to be about like 10, 30.
Speaker 4:No, they're a 10 o'clock. Main star main cards are 10 o'clock. Starts with those big papers.
Speaker 1:So but they have a lot of. You're talking about the preliminary stuff and it does start at like 7, 8 o'clock, you know, and because that we've I've went like a couple of the kind of regretter fights went with you and we were there like seven and we were there to like one in the morning. So, yep, you know that's, that's good stuff. But um, now on to the fun stuff. You guys know what started this week and what's keeping going next week and whatnot, nfl training camps, and you know what happens in NFL training camps in. Well, no, I mean, those are more or less like that does happen, but more or less like media-wise bullshit stories. Because let me tell you, something Did. Does anybody, did anybody here, take an economics class in high school? Mr Financial advisor, okay, so can you tell me a little bit about supply and demand?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can. You must be referring to the running back situation, something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. So a spine demand is you know if you got plenty of supply, then you know the price will go down. You know if the demand's not there, you know at the demands not there, the price goes down. Demands up there and the supply, you know, if they don't outweigh that you guys know how it works Then the price goes up. With the running backs, where's a plethora of them to choose from. They're not all gonna be like Nick Chubb, they're not all gonna be like you know there's cat and sysnattie or Zeke L8, all that, but there's plenty there that can produce yards.
Speaker 1:No, before we get into the running back thing. There's also something with supply and demand. Even if there is Demand for it, there's quality of product and availability of product and certain brands. Now you know, like, if you, if I like, for instance, when you need to toilet paper during the pandemic, did you go and get the paper? Can just construction paper to wipe your ass with?
Speaker 3:I did not add an inside look at Walmart and I bought up a day.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I'm an angel soft guy myself, so I'm looking for a decent quality toilet paper.
Speaker 3:Now if my top over there.
Speaker 1:So I need my toilet paper to not rip when I wipe my ass with it, and I need the same thing from my fucking running backs. I need them to not tear and not rip when I use them. And I and I Go ahead, andrew.
Speaker 3:That is the most interesting analogy that I could ever. Ever. I could never come up with that myself. And something tells me you just came up with that right fucking now, knowing you. Okay, so we need to call ESPN and like fire these motherfuckers and hire somebody. Like here's how this works. And people are like, oh yeah, this kind of makes sense. Even the running back should be like yeah, I did get hurt a lot, I did rip a lot and Tony's ass, you know, go ahead with your fucking point, god damn One.
Speaker 1:You're right, you're absolutely right, and I made that point after I brought toilet paper in from the pandemic and then the wheels just started turning. See, I have high functioning anxiety, which is like a rabbit hole process, but sometimes it's a good thing, because my mind is constantly going so like, as I'm saying something, something turns into something else and it goes into something, and it's a positive thing. But when it's negative, that's why you're the host. But uh, so we have a couple of people in the room. Well, I want to say, hunter, you're really not an NFL guy. You like NFL, you watch it, but you don't have like. Like, I'm an Eagles fan, kurtz Steelers fan, dirk is a Browns fan. What is? What is Hunter besides a Michigan fan?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean I would say a root for, a root for the Saints. I grew up a Cowboys fan and then, yeah, uh, you know I didn't really make the best decision back then. So I wanted to go my own route and decided to go with the Saints and, uh, honestly, I blame the Saints drafting a whole bunch of a hostile players, but, honestly, the real reason is the NFL league is just crap. It is absolute garbage and everything about it is not good. And I think that, yeah, I think that, uh, that's why I really kind of go watching it. But a lot of it was based on I don't like the direction of the team and I definitely didn't like them back to them.
Speaker 1:Well see, see. Andrew wants to go because he's an Ohio State fan. He doesn't want to let that slide. Oh, you're good. What do you got for me, andrew?
Speaker 3:No, I mean, I get the Saints do love the Ohio State players for a good reason, don't get me wrong. But like, when you talk about like the quality of the league and everything, that's what catches my ear. Like, like what is it more like a political stance for you, or is it you just don't like how the players are being paid or like how they're being analyzed, all that stuff?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I got you, I got you Go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean just, I mean I think he's getting kind of in the field. I mean I think that's the official and I feel like and I was kind of going up to that more dying I was the one. I think that you just don't as bad in those kinds of. Yeah, I just ask goodnight my girlfriend.
Speaker 3:She's die hard Ohio State fan but she kind of feels the same about being a fellow, so she she'll watch the game with me, but she doesn't really care and I get that a lot Like. So me and my girlfriend we're like I'm a big portion of my game going and my sports betting goes into the NFL because the way I analyze it and you know, when you hit 59%, you know two years in a row that's doing pretty good. So a lot of my, you know, the cash flow comes from that stuff. So and but I do understand what you're saying, cause the NFL is taking a lot of backlash on that, you know. But yeah, thanks for sharing that with us, man. I'm going to go ahead and say I'm going to go ahead and say, but yeah, thanks for sharing that with us, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I ripped into your woman last night too, about about that a little bit, because we were having that conversation, cause she was like, um, oh, cause they're big babies. And then I said do you do you like? Do you like basketball, do you do you like? I mean, you see these, I see these baseball players every time that there's a strike and they think it's a ball. They're just spraking bats. And then we got the soccer. She's like, I love soccer and I'm like, and you think football players are babies? Cause I'll tell you what one little step on the toe and they're doing back flips and tumbles and all of a sudden it's like a toddler in a gymnastics class out on the soccer field. But you know it's a good time giving her shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's funny, you did that Like we. We talked a little bit about that this morning at breakfast. And yeah, she did not like NBA. Um, um, and I showed her the video from South Park of Cartman Uh being going in in like the Southern voice, going into this college talking about winning the body, these student athletes, like he was some slave owner. You know we'll have to share it on the on there, but she kind of understood like why I support the transfer portal and the NIL and all that stuff, you know, cause it's like we're not going to get political here. But once I showed her that she's like it's so stupid how this fucking commercial can, like you know, I kind of change things.
Speaker 3:I don't know if she changed her mind on it or not. We haven't really talked about it, but yeah, um, that's kind of my feeling on college. You know, I'm glad the NIL was there and everything. So you can't really, you know, I do understand what you're saying about. You know, in the hands of the officials. I I didn't think about it that way though, but I get it. You know the wheels are turning now, so go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to talk about the hands in the official? I'm a fucking Eagles fan and watch that Super Bowl. Hands in the officials Like you, I'm the biggest fucking victim of that this season. I'll say I mean, yeah, you're going to have that with with the officials, but I think that's even in college sometimes too. The only difference is there's not as many restrictions in college. Like you don't need two feet down in college. Like it's. It's a totally different, different sport and what. That's why I like the NFL better than college. Because you're talking about at the most restricted, with the best talent. It's cool. Like I don't mind watching what's that. I don't mind watching that Carolina, Coastal Carolina versus UCF. You know what I mean. Like that's cool, but like I also got no interest in it. Like, aside from sports gambling, I'll watch it, but the product the product's not as good as watching Eagles, Cowboys or Steelers, Browns or Patriots not even Patriots, but Kansas City, Buffalo or Bengals, and you can't you're stuck out of that system.
Speaker 4:You have to eat the lower quality and the humbuckers they're going to use the lower quality, the house quality, but you say that, you say cause, and then you're saying Buffalo, kansas City or these great and humbuckers, you can't compare. Crap, college football, you can't compare.
Speaker 1:Arizona. I got you right here. I'll tell you why I can. Because you college football teams schedule, ask teams for half of your season. That's a problem. Now if you scheduled actual good teams for your first for your whole season, then it changes. But I have to watch Alabama beat the shit out of Coastal Carolina. I have to watch Ohio State play Kent State or Akron. But I tell you what there's a Buffalo Bills versus fucking Bengals game every week on the NFL. You know what I'm saying. So that's why it's a better product.
Speaker 1:So when I use that aspect of a bad game, that's a flaw in college football. Scheduling those games, as opposed to the NFL, does what they can to make the best matchups. Even Thursday night football, which used to be a piece of shit, is a lot better now and I think their game's got a lot better this year. I mean, sunday night football with the Amazon thing has gotten probably more worse than anything, but Sunday night football was actually took it down a little bit, you know, and that's kind of the thing with college. I have to wait until half the season is over to watch good teams start playing each other, as opposed to NFL. I can watch three. There's 10 games on and five of them I want to watch because they're good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I can't be touching on that. With sports gambling becoming legal in more states and more states, the NFL is taking this real more serious, and I also think the NCAA is taking it a little more serious too, because you know they're getting paid somewhere. So, like, monday night football for a lot of us is like we have a bad weekend with the NFL or something. So Monday night football comes around and we're trying to gain everything back. You know, before the bookie hits us up. Obviously, everyone's more using an app now, obviously, but you are seeing more quality NFL games on.
Speaker 3:But on the college side, I kind of follow Tony on. That is like I have to analyze it more because of how the schedule is. So, like Ryan Day, who is my favorite team's coach, I can bet against him consistently and win money, especially in the second half, even playing shit teams. So, like, with the way sports betting is going, like you're starting to see things change as a whole. You know, like even in women's sports I'm getting more into that. It's actually becoming more fun to watch, but also you can bet on that stuff now.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, because I'll say this, like last year. I mean they tried to put in Ohio State versus Notre Dame as a big game and there was a 21 point line and me and Dirk were on that. From the beginning we said no, no, they're not covering, like there's no way, it's a night game. Week number two, you know, was a week one. It was a week one. It was week one, okay. Okay, because I couldn't remember now, but I know it was early in the season and they had Ohio State at 21 point. I said it's the first game of the season and just like this is the kind of thing you got to look at and go ahead, andrew.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the amount of money on that game that I won just from that one game from because the lines were so ridiculous. You know, just I bet, you know the game overall, the first half, the second half hit. You know those are three bets in one game, plus the live bets I put in because I knew they were not going to cover, I knew they would win. But yeah, when you're that comfortable, it's like and that's against you and that's against your own teams. So people have to understand our sports betting also affects your. It does affect your fandom to a point. Right.
Speaker 1:And also you should start watching more NFL, hunter, because it's just gambling's fun. Once you get into the gambling man, you know. But don't be a Cowboys fan. When you come back you can say a Saints fan, that's fine, that's all right, but don't, don't make me poo poo you on the spotcast. Yeah Right, speaking of poo poo, who's your boy? Kenny Pickett, you like him, kurt? I want to talk about him a little bit. You know we started this conversation off with running bags and toilet paper and it's kind of went off the rails here. We'll get back into running bags here in a second, folks, but I do want to touch a little bit on Pittsburgh, because Kurt is like an encyclopedia. So no, now here's the thing about this Hunter. Nothing wants nothing to do with the NFL. He's all college, kurt's college, but he's also an NFL encyclopedia. So yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just like, he's very, he's very knowledgeable, like stats and all that.
Speaker 5:Let's, let's, let's get into it to it a little bit Before before we get into that, I'll just say this much I didn't want to get into the NFL versus NCAA debate because I've always been more than a fellow just growing up just because that's what I did with my dad and I did watch Michigan on Saturdays. Wasn't really good times, though I do like college a lot, but I just always liked NFL more because, kind of on the lines with you guys said, the real good games don't start for the first half. More or less conference play games don't start for a while, though I have noticed in the past couple of years NCAA has tried to put on at least one or two good matchups every week for that first month and a half period. I'll give you that. But some of the matchups just turn out, turn out good. You see, last year Oregon versus Georgia that was supposed to be a good game was a complete blowout. And then you had the Saturday night game with how state Notre Dame, which came down to the wire.
Speaker 5:But I just got to agree. I hate the fact. I just want to touch on real quick. I hate the fact that these big schools get these soft schedules. I hate it. I don't like it. I don't like seeing, I don't want to watch a 41 10 game every week. I don't. Yeah, it's cool, it's your team win. But I want to see, I want to see us play a ranked team. I want to see them beat someone good before we get into the bigger games. You know, it's just I hate that's. That's. The biggest difference for me is the quality of play. As far as college NFL is different because every week there's better matchups than a fell consistently.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, go ahead, andrew.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I do agree with you on that and I think you, over time and that only was college football with college basketball to you starting to see different players in different places. I mean, especially with the NIL in the transfer portal, you're going to see college football be a little bit different Because these athletes want to play. So you know, I think college football is going to have more of a product to put up there. Because I agree with you, like you know, when it's, obviously I'm going to support my kids and everything right. But like if I am, you know, if our house is playing some rinking team, like I'm not, you know.
Speaker 3:Like you know, plug in, you know, and watch the or listen to the game on the sideline, I really don't give a shit. I give a shit. Is a spread going to be covered on whatever? You know how much is going to be covered on the sideline. You know how money line, whatever I do with that. But with the changes coming up and both, you know, with college football, I do think you'll see kind of more tighter match ups. So we'll see what happens with that. So you've been a great point on that.
Speaker 1:Now with. I wasn't necessarily like a debate. It was more or less like saying, like why he doesn't like the NFL and stuff like that, because like I love sports in general, like I said I'm you know. It's like that's that's why we're doing this in general. So it's not like I hate college football. I love college football. Honestly. Anyone know what's funny? We got into the sports gambling thing. I did better in college football this year than I did in the NFL Betting. And that's surprising.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when we did our three bets and stuff like that like a day and you know, when we hit them up on Twitter and stuff like that. Yeah, I hit more on college and I did an NFL, which is crazy because I'd never even considered that betting on the on college before that Go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, you know, in the life of the year before you and I I did better in college football and then we kind of reversed because I kind of took a back, you know, I kind of went backwards. I mean I sort of, you know, I did 54% this year, not too bad in college, but 59% with Cal or with pro football the year before. That it was different. You know, you picked up more on the college stuff and I don't know what the hell happened, you know, and it kind of pissed me off. So okay, you need to stop.
Speaker 1:Just say it's all about the game Dude. I wrote Purdue last year, so much it wasn't even funny.
Speaker 3:I remember that I was like son of a bitch. You did it again.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was so mad when they lost the Syracuse. I was so mad because it you want to talk about a referee fucking up a game like that Syracuse Purdue game that I was, that I had bets on I was pissed. I was stupid pissed because this guy I don't even remember what it, I don't even remember what happened, but I was pissed and I know it was pissed because I was vacuuming and cleaning the house and I stopped doing it because I was mad. But yeah, no, there's that. But speaking of what, okay, go ahead, andrew.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he stopped cleaning the house and then Sarah got mad. No, no.
Speaker 1:I was. I was doing extra credit cleaning. You know what I'm saying. Like I'm trying to score some points, but yeah, I was like yeah, oh well no blowy tonight, because I fucking blew all my money Anyway.
Speaker 1:So speaking of blowing all your money, let's talk about these divas that we were supposed to, in general, be. That apparently can't fucking like. 15 years ago, roles are reversed. Quarterbacks were not getting paid enough One of the most important positions in all sports and the running backs were getting overpaid, and not and rightfully so because they carried the team on their backs 15, 20 years ago. I mean, can we all agree on that, kurt? What do you think?
Speaker 5:Yeah, the game was just so much more different back then. They focused more on running the ball. They won three wide receiver sets as much, so they were more of a run oriented type of league.
Speaker 1:Demand was high, supply was low, so you pay for that kind of thing. Now, demand is low, supply is high. I can go and get a fourth round, fifth round, running back and produce, as long as he can catch the football.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nick Chubb, second round. You know you can find these guys in the round and they can be a beast and also they're going to take the brunt. They're going to get their asses beat. So if I'm buying a machine, I'm going to use the fuck out of it. You know you're going to put a long term contract on that. No, you're going to pay it. You know a front loader, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, and you know what he's actually fifth, fifth, highest paid running back. So you have to be able to do things, and not just do things but be available. The best ability in the National Football League is availability. And if I brought up Christian McCaffrey, do you think availability? Thank you, I mean two years ago. No, definitely not. For a while there he was injury prone. Put the highest paid running back right now because he can catch at 16 mil All right.
Speaker 5:What about Alvin Kamara?
Speaker 1:Is he a good runner or is he a better catcher? Connor, you're a Saints fan. Yeah, okay, tell the people. Tell the people here. What do you think? I think he's better. I think he's better. I think he's better. I think he's better. I think he's better. I think he's better. I think he's better. I think he's better.
Speaker 4:I think he's better 100%. I think he's better, she's better.
Speaker 1:She's better. Second highest paid running back in the league 15 mil. Okay, now, when I give you Dalvin Cook, do you think healthy? I don't think so too. I mean his rookie season. Right away he was hurt. Then, three seasons later, he's hurt again. You know he's hurt her, hurt, hurt, hurt, hurt. Third highest paid running back in the league at 12.5 million. Okay, so these guys who are getting hurt all the time Are the three highest paid. Right there I get they're getting injuries. Alvin, derek, henry. Do you think good health? I don't. I don't think so. I think he's. His ass is always hurt. He's not available for the playoffs.
Speaker 3:What. I'm gonna give him a little bit of grace though, because they run the fuck out of that dude. Okay, he's big, he's strong, I get that. But big and strong things do get weird as well, you know, and that's what the Tennessee's I didn't do with them, you know I mean. So I don't want to knock him too much. But, like again, you know they use them all the time. They should pay him, you know. So that's their. You know they're supplying demand. That, you know, is different. So I do believe that you know Derek Henry as much as they use them, and Not to mention his quarterbacks, where I fucking 10 hell, or do they get rid of him? I don't, I, I forget. Who the fucks quarterback down there, I don't care. But you know he had not had great quarterbacks, so they have leaned on him quite a bit. So Maybe he should be getting paid what Zeke's getting paid. But you know all that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, he's a. He's the fourth highest paid running back in the league and not playing in the playoffs.
Speaker 3:So Maybe he should be. You know, I don't know. They don't have any other weapons around them. That's what I'm saying. So that's my take on that one.
Speaker 1:Right, but he should have a beef with his team and not the NFL. You know what I'm saying Like that's not. That's not something. That's not something to like. Be like. Oh, we get treated shitty as running backs fucking stay on the field for the whole fucking season.
Speaker 3:So I had on me. So you know, I agree with you on that. I mean, I like that was why. Why are you bitching at the NFL Like this is what your club is offering you, this is what your club feels about you Like we're talking about.
Speaker 3:You know, 32 GM's in the league Like, these guys are not here by fucking mistake. They're here. They know how to evaluate talent. They got scouts out there that know this game. They know what you know. They have an idea what your shelf life is gonna be like. You know these owners are not building theirs by accident. You know what I mean. So, like, these guys that are pissing at the NFL like Like bite, get another fucking agent, so like. And if your team's gonna be like, oh well, hey, we tried, so Good luck, you know? Oh, you want to trade? All right, we'll get something for you and go that route, you know. But, yeah, good, you know, sam. I mean, they have the right to free speech. I understand that. But I agree with you, don't bitch at the NFL. They, they can't do anything. Get a better agent, I don't know. Stay on the field, like you said.
Speaker 5:You gotta say something we are on complete Ends of this spectrum.
Speaker 1:Let's go. This is why we have a sports cop Pock has. This will make us entertaining. You know how many times the dirt can I but heads?
Speaker 3:Looking forward to this 100% go on.
Speaker 5:I understand both ends of this spectrum because I've seen. I've seen this happen with my own team when this goes back 2017. Laveon sat out in 2018. I saw him play his final game against Jacksonville. The playoffs vision around January cold, cold, negative 20 and I.
Speaker 1:I feel like Greg Casel over here. It was cold.
Speaker 5:You're talking about very nice.
Speaker 5:The average lifespan of running back, you're talking roughly, the rookie contract with maybe, if you franchise tag him so five years and and see, my point is with this, but some of the running backs there, they are some of the best players in the league and in my opinion they are some of, like you could argue, there's definitely a couple of running backs in that top 15, top 20 who are some of the best backs in the league.
Speaker 5:You're talking probably McCaffrey, derek Cranberry for sure Jonathan Taylor's got to be up there, nick Chubb, no doubt, is up there and they run these guys into the ground and that's why you're seeing so many teams over the past five, ten years go to a backfield committee and they just you can plug and play running backs. I get it, but you can only do that when you have a great offensive line, a great scheme. But when you're talking about these great, these good running backs that they use a lot and they depend on them, like Derek Henry, without him, tennessee was nothing. They had AJ Brown, but the Eagles finesse them. They got finessed.
Speaker 5:Oh, yeah, so they fire them up instantly and then they replace them with trailing birds, like whatever. But Like I understand, like I don't think they need to be paid as much as they want, like they want obviously as much they can get.
Speaker 1:Why receiver money?
Speaker 5:They don't deserve that, but I do think they should make more than the average NFL kicker, and they don't make more than the NFL average kicker right, but an NFL kicker makes a difference in a game.
Speaker 1:I Mean they got a hit, clutch kicks. I'm just saying in general, like when you look at it, I can have my backup running back on the one yard line, pound one through, but if I need my kicker to make a 51, 55 yard field goal with 10 seconds left on the clock, I mean that's, that's more clutch. I'm not saying they're more important position, I'm just saying like here's it. Let me break this down for you. So Miles Sanders was unhappy at the Eagles with what he was getting paid. He went to Carolina. Yep, carolina paid him seven point two million dollars For that seven point two million dollars. You know what the Eagles did. They got Deandre Swift for one point eight million dollars, richard Penny for one point four million dollars. They got Boston Scott on their team for two million dollars, trace sermon for one point one million dollars. And they still have Kenneth gain will, who performed well in the playoffs, for nine hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So why does it benefit me to keep my own Sanders, to get rid of everybody else?
Speaker 5:It doesn't because you didn't need him. He's not a, he's not a tight time, he's not a top ten running back talent and because of how great their line and scheme is, it's a plug-and-play situation, but he believes he should have got ten million dollars and being paid more than a kicker.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying I don't. I can't carry three kickers on my team. I have to pay one kicker, but I can carry four running backs on the team and spread the love and they can get as much as production as I can Do. Do top tier running backs like Henry and chubb deserve to get paid? Yeah, maybe not. I don't think they need over 15 million dollars though, cuz like then you're, you're wasting that money and now you can't pay your quarterback, now you can't pay your wide receiver, now you can't pay your left tackle.
Speaker 5:But I mean, if there are one of the best players at their position, how can you just let that go?
Speaker 1:because I have four people that can get the same production, but no, you can't see you're, you're, you're thinking, you're forgetting that.
Speaker 5:Not every line.
Speaker 1:If the tight. If the Titans weren't paying Derek Henry, they would have paid AJ Brown and they'd be a better team right now with a AJ Brown and a decent quarterback. Because they didn't they just get who they get in the draft. Did they just get somebody in there? Well, Levis, so they got. Will love us. We don't know how that's gonna pan out. He's, I like will levis to an extent, but I also think that he's a diva at quarterback. I think he's a rich white boy that doesn't like that. That's entitled. That's what I. That's the vibe I get from will levis. But I, if they had a better, that's the thing they need to build a better team. But you're too busy paying a Running back to build a better team. But go ahead, andrew. You look at you want to say something.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So like I'm gonna touch right, I get what you're saying, kurt, like you know that makes a lot of sense. You know. Like you know, these guys are taking on a workload.
Speaker 3:But the way I look at things, you know, from a production standpoint, you know, and also as a sports better is like I need my off, my, my five front guys on the offensive line to be, you know, to be paid and in to be happy, especially my left tackle. So the more you're using your, your running game as well, like the more where I tell you you're taking on, you know that front five. So you got to pay those guys. You know that that's my opinion. You need a good quarterback in today's day and age that can move around and do all that. So If I can put on four guys on my team that can run this ball and not just one guy that's gonna pound, pound, pound, then you know I can do that and not pay that much and still keep my front five happy, keep my quarterback happy.
Speaker 3:And you know these wide receivers that I, they can catch the bar, they're gonna do things. You know that's how I look at it. You know for more, more like a financial standpoint and analytics. So, but that's just me. So I, with the running back situation, nick Chubb is special. He can catch, he can run and what a lot of these guys can. But If I can unload 15 million off my payroll for one year and still get, get some production out of these guys and also pay a kicker, I'm not gonna pay my kicker a bunch of money. That's how I look at it. So I want to hear your thoughts on that.
Speaker 5:Like I said, I get both sides of this, this topic, you know. I just I don't think. I just saw the fact that kickers make more than running backs and there's Just no way. That's right, man. I mean the running backs, they touched the ball, some of them Dane near 30 times a game. You know McCaffrey in Carolina to touch the ball, dane near 30 times a game. Henry Dane near 25 plus times a game. Chubb 20 times a game. I mean Jof and Taylor danger 30 times a game. There's just and they're all fences is literally Dictated around their play.
Speaker 1:So what do you think about? Maybe a cap on kickers pay Because they do so little, like there's only so much you can pay a kicker because of the of what they do. Would like if they made. Like, would would running backs have a beef with their pay if kickers were making Five, six million dollars a year instead, as opposed to 12, like you know, because I mean, like I said, the top, the top six people Are making over 12 million dollars a year. That's, I don't think there's not too many kickers getting paid 12 million dollars a year. No, all right, so like you got it.
Speaker 1:These, these, these quarterbacks, like Eckler, let me, let's go with with Echler here. All right, like he, he wants, he wants his money, or acres, even cam acres. Look at cam acres. He refused to pass catch, but he wants to be paid. He even got bench because he refused to pass catch out of the backfield, but you want to get paid more than 12 million dollars. You want to be in these top tier running backs. Pays over a kicker when you won't even catch the ball.
Speaker 1:So like and I guess that's more the running backs that I'm talking about, because it isn't just it isn't just Christian McCaffrey, he's not out here bitching a whole lot. He might be saying a little bit Do we get underpaid? Yeah, whatever, but he's the highest paid running back in the league, like that's the thing. It's like quarterbacks now, what do quarterbacks do with their new contract? I want to be the highest pay quarterback, right? Are running backs out here doing that? Are they trying to do that? No, because they can't Right, and either that or there's just there's no market and and that's a thing that. So that's a flaw also with their agents and Just they. It's just, it's just the role they got a play now.
Speaker 5:Oh PA for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah so and the player association and being from a union myself with my job, a A union is is not just your, your Union representation working, you got it, you got to work yourself. I'll tell you what if all those running backs bitching just walked out of training camp today, I bet you they get to getting paid higher Right like cuz. Okay, you don't want to pay us? Then we're not coming at all Now, not now. The league doesn't have running backs.
Speaker 5:Because Josh Jacobs and say Quan are even gonna report the training camp because they didn't get the deals or Frank.
Speaker 1:Better, just gonna get Frank and Josh and Josh Jacob is a piece of shit for that, because you want to talk about somebody that's never been fucking healthy in his career. Never fucking been healthy in his career is Josh Jacobs. That dude is out for at least four games a season At least. I'll tell you why because I've had him in fantasy three years and ZEE's production on time and ZEE can skip out on anything he wants. He's done, he's cooked Like he's, he's overboiled pasta at this point.
Speaker 3:Fuck about Zeke LA anymore no one gives a single fuck like bring one your team. He can be a backup. He'll be okay, you know. But I do give him kudos. You know he played Dallas, he played him.
Speaker 1:You look like you want to say something, hunter.
Speaker 4:I just love the people he died. I thought he was a. I mean I'm sorry, he fucked up, he sold that guy. He sold that guy. I didn't know he was dead. The guy was, he was a generation. I was like almost a year old.
Speaker 4:He was great. He was the cream of the rock. I thought the next big rush was bad. And then he gets his big hot dog after saying he's a fucking kid. And then it becomes a bad book. And then he goes back to the book and says what's worth nothing. And then they download the film. That they're out, All this after paying something Obviously should have gotten it.
Speaker 1:And the thing is Zeke though. So Zeke was in 2012, 2013. He got drafted in 2014, right? Or was it 2014? Or 2015? Okay, so, because it was right after the Ohio State 16.
Speaker 1:Okay it was right after Ohio State had just won the national title when they went over to the playoff system, right, yeah, so he would have been drafted in 2015. Because he was drafted with Carson Wentz, I think that I thought that was 2015. You got drafted in 2016. Well then, you are right, my friend. But going back to that, he's come from that like Alabama School of Running Bags, where they're overused so much in college that you only get two to three years out of them in the pros.
Speaker 1:Derek Henry has been the exception to the Alabama Running Bag, because you look at any other running bag, even who's Trent Richardson. He didn't fucking like Eddie Lacey, it wasn't he a Alabama bag? You know you use these kids in college so much and now that's even changing. So now that Because that's the thing, right, the NFL is actually Everybody thinks they go to these new, innovative things. They're actually a followers league because they follow everything that college football does Copycat League, right. So you know, college football stops using the running bags as much and they start doing these Like. This is funny because one of these running bags I forgot who it was in the league said oh, why don't you just add an extra receiver? All you running bags now are an extra receiver.
Speaker 1:Kirshen McCaffrey receives. He can run up, don't get me wrong. He's a bully up the middle, but he's a receiver. Look at Debo Samuel. He's actually a wide receiver, but what do they do? They move him around in the running bag spot. So you know, avon Kamara, they pass catch. That's why I asked you earlier, hunter, with the pass catching and all that. Like you, guys are receivers, that's what we're using you for. If you want to, if you just want to be receivers, then that's what we're going to do. You're going to be low level receivers and that's what you're. You're getting paid lower than just right below or at slot receiver money.
Speaker 3:I do have a question what does Nick Chubb stand as far as being the highest paid or whatever it is? He's like fifth, or he said he's fifth, right Fifth, okay. So what Cleveland's trying to do with him? You know they're trying to take that workload off him to keep that, keep him going as well. That's why they brought him to Sean Watson. You know we got some pretty good receivers but the key was to Sean Watson. But he's still going to be used as a receiver quite a bit. Well, if he's turning around and looking for a ball, he can easily take a shot and get injured. We don't want that for him. So I mean there's a devil's advocate kind of take on getting these running backs paid and they are receivers and they're running backs. So kind of per Hunter's point. You know or not, hunter, my bad Curve and they pass protect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the other thing, the pass protection, like. So, basically, if you want to get paid in this league, they want their money. Catch passes, pass protect, stay healthy. You don't even got to fucking run the ball anymore. Pass catch, pass protect, stay healthy, and that's the other thing they talk about. Oh, we're taking this beating. We're taking this beating.
Speaker 1:We get used so much up the middle. Well, they don't use running backs up the middle that often anymore. Everything is to the outside, everything is a screen pass, everything is a shuffle pass or anything. Yeah, you got a pass block. Ride receivers block too. Are the people a little bit smaller Because of DBs? Yeah, but everybody's blocking as a team sport. So you know, if you got to take on a linebacker, fucking go to the gym. I don't want to tell you, like, go put some weight on man Eddie, you'll see that shit and get some cheeseburgers in your system. Like, pass catch, pass block and stay healthy. That's simple as that. Like I mean like that's if you want to get paid in this league, I mean that's why Christian McCaffrey is the highest paid running back in the league, because he does all three and he doesn't stay healthy. He's pretty healthy. Last year I think he missed a few games but, like last year, was one of the exceptions that he didn't miss any games last year.
Speaker 5:He didn't.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't remember. I know he was hurt a little, he was feeling.
Speaker 5:He got dinged up actually towards more of the end of the season.
Speaker 1:Right, and I think that's what I was thinking. But yeah, I mean, he just I don't know, man, because you can do so much, like, like I said, like I broke down the Eagles running back situation, they got six for the price of the one. They let go.
Speaker 5:But that's different, because Miles Sanders really wasn't that good.
Speaker 1:But that's the problem these running backs that really aren't that good, think they're that good and want to be paid more than kickers. Depends who you're talking about. Well, it depends, but I mean, I guess I'm going to have to, I have to look at it and I'm going to do it right now, because the ones that are really complaining are Josh, jacobs and Saquon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, go ahead, go. You know what, kurt? Tell us a little bit about that. What I think is the way Saquon is actually and that's fine Saquon is making $10 million to not fucking play football, because that's what he wants to talk about it, but you're not making it. You're not making it a whole season and you want more than $10 million. I don't get as why do I want to make that investment?
Speaker 5:He Saquon. I'll say this much he definitely does not deserve that money. I'll say that much. That man is the definition of injury prone. Ever since he's came into league, that boy has been injured.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So this is do you know? Okay? So they are complaining about the kickers, the kickers and all that. I just told you the top five running backs salary it goes from $16 million down to $12.2. Do you know what the highest kicker gets paid?
Speaker 5:Is it Justin Tucker?
Speaker 1:No, it's Matt Gay. $9.1 million, is that?
Speaker 5:Rams.
Speaker 1:Yeah, $9.1 million. Then it drops down to eight, then it's seven, then six, then four, then four, then four, then three. I'm sorry, most running backs are getting paid more than $9 million a year, most, most. If you're at the bottom tier of running backs, that's your own fucking problem. But Saquon Barkley is making more than a kicker.
Speaker 5:I mean I was just saying on average, no, no, no, no, no. I hear you Not like comparing the top 10 highs paid in comparison with the two of them, because, kickers, I thought that's a pretty fair price if you're only going to chance kick the ball four or five times a game.
Speaker 1:No, and I get that, but averages will screw with you. That's the thing about numbers. Right, you can mold Andrew knows this, because this is how he got me to buy life insurance. He molds and makes numbers look funky for you and he goes yeah, no, you can really be this, but if you do this, it's this. And now it looks like all kickers get paid more than we do. No, the highest kicker gets. I mean you've got to go by highest and the lowest. I mean because, if you really think about it, like I said, Kenneth Gainwell is making $900,000 a year, but he's the four string running back, Right, so, and then the highest paid kicker is 9.1 with MagGay, but I don't know what you got, If you got it. Anybody got anything on that as far as, like you know any opinions on the kickers? Kickers pay or something like that Cause.
Speaker 5:I'm just surprised Justin Tucker's not one.
Speaker 1:What'd you?
Speaker 5:say Kurt. I said I'm just surprised Justin Tucker was the number one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, justin Tucker's actually third. Jason Myers is actually second. Seattle Alright, the Eagles got the fifth highest paid kicker, jake Elliott.
Speaker 5:I mean, they do have pretty important jobs, but you know they can literally. They've literally won so many games, lost so many games. But I just think I get. I just feel like they should move the needle a little bit more for running backs, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, like I don't, I don't, I'm with you, like Miles Sanders. No, you're not getting 10 million, but you know, if a good running back played four years, he played good, he stayed healthy and gave you dainter double-ditted touchdowns every year at 1,000 yards plus, I feel like you should pay him. No, yeah, no, nothing crazy. But you know, another three year, two year contract. I feel like it's pretty justifiable because six, seven years is probably about as long as you'll get out of running back now, at most six or seven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean okay. So let me give you some of these, some of these here. If I told you that Cordell Patterson is the 16th ranked top paid running back, do you think he deserves $6 million a year? Cordell Patterson makes $6 million a year and he's the 16th highest paid running back. Yeah. Yeah, he's a backup. He's not even a backup, he's a third stringer.
Speaker 5:He's been a he's been a starter for the Falcons. Really good special teams player ran back. I think he's actually going to break the record for most kickoff return touchdowns, but I mean he got drafted in 2013. Also a quarterback.
Speaker 1:What's that? He also. He did the quarterback thing for a while, didn't he? Who am I thinking of? I could have sworn Cordell Pat. I'm thinking of Cardell Jones. Yeah, that's my bad. That's my bad.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and Braxton Miller I want to say for Cleveland a long time ago tried that as well. But back to Patterson. I mean he's been in the league for 10 years now. I mean he's had a role, I think some running backs. It's just about finding that role that teams can identify you with.
Speaker 1:But does Cordell Patterson deserve to be paid higher than the 90% kicker of gay? Do you know what I'm saying? A third string running.
Speaker 4:That's close.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I'm saying, though? Like that's a 16th, Other than that dude like you're talking, like give me a top, give me a top, a top running back Any of you right now that you think doesn't make enough, and I'll tell you they're salary right now and it's kind of going to blow your mind. Cream Hunt. He's not even a starter either. He's a free agent. He's a free agent, so you can't. He's not making money.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, oh, he's making money somewhere.
Speaker 1:Not yet though.
Speaker 4:Like Josh. Jacobs makes 10.
Speaker 1:Okay, so like if you, if well, we hit. So here's the thing like between if you, who's the cat buffalo? There's a couple of cats in Buffalo.
Speaker 5:James is supposed to be running back. Okay. He's a rookie, though, so he's on that rookie deal Okay.
Speaker 1:If you're talking about what you call it Devin Singletary, he's like he's a second string running back and again second string, he's making 2.7. So, but he's second string Like so you want me to pay you first string money, like I said, like yeah, yeah, I got, I get what he's going.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I mean even Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is making 12 million, nick Chubb is making 12 million, seh Kwan is making 10. Tony Pollard is even making 10. And he wasn't even the starter last year Quote technically he is this year, so he's got to. You know, maybe it gets a little bit more. Josh Jacobs 10. James. Then it drops down to seven with James Connor. Miles Sanders is making seven. That Keem Hines from Buffalo, he's making six. So, but they don't. That's crazy. But Buffalo doesn't run the football. They pass, pass, pass, pass. Josh Allen runs the football more than they're. Yeah, they run with him, yeah. So yeah, josh Allen is the only one that runs the ball in Buffalo.
Speaker 1:You know, joe Mixon. Now, joe Mixon might be underpaid, maybe he's at 5.7. But I don't, I don't. I'm not a fan of paying women beaters anyway, so that's just not my, that's not my thing. So who had the mic on? Somebody go say something. Did you want to say something? Hunter, you've been really quiet today. I thought you would be chatting more. He didn't know what, what. Well, you know this is. This is what happens when you say like all right, yeah, I got to do this today. I probably shouldn't go out on a fucking boat. When I got something scheduled in the evening I was like all right, you know we can.
Speaker 4:All I have to play is the other team ditch and a lot of bonding, bonding.
Speaker 1:It's called a strip club. My friend and we could have went after this. It's it's like a $5 cover, yeah, but then you, you guys were all of you were late though.
Speaker 3:I feel like I was talking about boats and hoes, right? Is that what you did today? I looked at, all right. Well, did you sing the song? At least it was my country, okay.
Speaker 5:It didn't cost you money, but it costed you a really bad sunburn.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's what they do, and I'm just away from being out. I hear you, man.
Speaker 1:I'm just, I'm just giving you a hard time, because what's your input?
Speaker 5:then with this Should running bags get paid, yes or no? What do you think? Should they get paid more? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I love it Really. It's amazing how much they've done. It's amazing. We can't be down. They need to be. It's not going to change very well. It's going to have a lot to do with career. I think that's going to change. I think they're going to keep the quality of the team. They're going to have longer and less work. They don't have the chance to have money. Unfortunately, they don't want more. So I'll do this, because this has happened to a few teams.
Speaker 1:If I told you that you're starting running backs, going to go down, are you really like that worried about it? Unless you got like a Derek Henry. Like if I said, like you know, nick Chubb, I know you're going to be doing a lot of things, I'm going to be doing a lot of things. Like if I said, like you know, nick Chubb, I know, but you had, let's just say, last year, chubb goes down. Like, are you terrified that the rest of the season is shot? All right, now let me tell you this If you're starting kicker if you're and then answer this if you're starting kicker goes down during a game and a playoff game, are you worried?
Speaker 3:In a playoff game? Oh, absolutely, let's do that.
Speaker 1:Starting running back and starting kicker during a playoff game.
Speaker 3:Starting running back, I know that I can scheme the offense in order to make things happen. But my kicker, I need that motherfucker out there, you know. So yeah, Kurt, same question to you Are you more?
Speaker 1:if you're starting running back goes down in your offense. Are you worried more about that or you got to pick one? We're talking during the game, during an essential game like it matters.
Speaker 5:You're going to playoffs winning a.
Speaker 1:Super Bowl, whatever Like if you, if it's a must-win game and you're starting running back goes down, or you got to lose your kicker. Which one Kicker You'd rather lose a kicker, Yep. Okay.
Speaker 1:Because that includes kickoffs, baby. It doesn't just include that 3.10 yard kick. I still got that punter, though. Yeah Well, have you seen a punter kick? Because I tell you what? I've lost a kicker during a game and it fucking sucks. It fucking sucks. I've lost a punter and it fucking sucks during a game. Like the stupid shit. Like here's what happens when you lose a punter, you go for it on fourth down every time. That's what happens, that's what the teams do, that's what I'm rolling with. All right, I think he's just trying to make his point. You've all got one of those motherfuckers.
Speaker 3:Each of those motherfuckers one of them. That's all you get.
Speaker 5:You got five running backs, yeah, but I mean if I got a great running back and a great running scheme, I can. I can pick that shit up every time, so who's?
Speaker 1:your great running back. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Like what's the drop?
Speaker 1:But who's your running back? I said unless it's like Derek Henry, like the someone, because like the Tennessee Titans scheme totally revolves around Derek Henry, but like Christian McCaffrey isn't the 49ers' whole offense. Would you think they'd rather lose their kicker, or Christian McCaffrey, Because they still got Debo Samuel to do a lot of the stuff he does. I mean Christian. We shut down Christian McCaffrey in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 5:So because the scoreboard was running up so high and made the run basically irrelevant.
Speaker 1:Well, not to be see. Everybody says that, but like they forget that, like for a whole quarter it was back and forth, like it wasn't like blown out immediately.
Speaker 5:Not immediately.
Speaker 1:No so that's what I said. Like people, like, okay, this is going to give me started on this motherfucking thing here Because, like, the Niners fans are the biggest babies I've ever seen in my entire life, because they're like, oh, oh, oh well, we didn't have our Brock Purdy. Well, I'm sure it's pretty fucking stupid that you thought you were going to win with the third string quarterback anyway, but aside from that, you weren't even touting about Purdy, them motherfuckers all about. Oh, my defense is going to stop Jalen Hertz, defense is going to stop Jalen Hertz. Well, that defense didn't do nothing but suck Jalen Hertz. Big D, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like that's this, yeah, but like that's the thing, like, so, like, as far as that game goes, shutting down Christian McCaffrey, they didn't like debuff, but Purdy was still getting the ball to Samuel and some of the other weapons that they have. Even IU torched him a couple of times. But I'm sure, like, if they lost their I mean I'm sure, like in a game, like if they lost McCaffrey, it'd be, if this, if the, if the San Francisco 49ers lost McCaffrey, they would still be a playoff team without them.
Speaker 5:Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:They have been, so you can't say they have. They've been at the Super Bowl with Adam. They've been at the NFC championship, like the past three years, right, but they still pay him $16 million. But if they were paying, I you know, like he was a good get, like no, he put them over the hump. Like, had Jimmy G been in that game instead of Brock Purdy, might have been a different game. I don't know. No, I'm just, I'm good. Listen, I don't want to hear it from any 49ers fans. So I'm going to say I don't know, because I know how upset they get when you like.
Speaker 5:Well, we didn't have Brock Purdy A rookie quarterback was not going to go into Philadelphia and come out with a victory, being the first rookie quarterback to ever go to the Super.
Speaker 1:Bowl. That's there's a reason why there's like 58 Super Bowls and not a rookie quarterback has ever won one.
Speaker 5:That's I had to never get to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. But are the Steelers going to be a playoff team this year?
Speaker 5:Are you kidding me? No question.
Speaker 1:So you think they're going to beat out? Also, are they winning the division, or is that just maybe a wild card spot? Because they? Okay, listen, because the one thing is the NFC is not as good as the AFC right now. The AFC is pretty loaded, so they would have to win the division. I don't know if they can snatch a wild card spot.
Speaker 5:They have a decent chance of winning the division, but I believe they would definitely get one of those wild card spots.
Speaker 1:Well, there is three. Now I keep forgetting that, this fucking three. I hate that so much. I do, I really do, I don't think anybody was a fan of it. Well, just because like okay, so the Eagles? Like when Jalen Hurts first full season, they got into the playoffs, all I heard was well, the Eagles were playing off team with Jalen Hurts. There was a fucking extra spot. Had it been last year they wouldn't be a playoff quarterback. I don't get it. I remember.
Speaker 1:I remember that's how you were during 2021, when they made it, and then they played Tampa and like you just did it to get just fucking jail raped by Tom Brady and his gang of thugs over there on that defense. Like that's. I wasn't fun. Same thing happened to us. But you know, I guess maybe. But I feel like. I feel like you guys are third in your division, let alone. I don't I mean over the bangle, I mean Bengals, bengals have it. I can't, you can't, put the Browns over the Bengals, but I think the Browns are better than the Steelers this year. What do you mean? An offseason with the Sean Watson, and then you got that running game. So that running game with the Sean Watson is going to be pretty good and you guys got okay receivers. They're not, they're not like the best, but they're, they're, they're they have good receivers Mark Mark, mark, elijah Moore.
Speaker 1:Sam Mark Cooper Jones. Cooper's just getting a joke.
Speaker 5:Who he's still a solid receiver. He was still he. They still finesse Dales for him, though 100%. Only a fifth rounder. That's a win.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. We have a brand new defense coordinator again. We'll see how he does. Yeah, I'm still not a fan of chaos Kevin Spansky doing a play calling during the game when I want him to be managing the game and his team. So we'll see. I think we're going to be in that slot, even with the Sean Watson, nick Chubb, our receiving core, our line. Things are just not going to go as we plan, but we'll see, especially with the new DC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean other than that. I mean the Ravens are going to be right there too. But I don't know, man Like you can't not not play football for a whole year and then you can't play like in Winner Division or be close. I could be wrong. But I mean Lamar Jackson is probably. I mean I know you can practice, but you're still not in football shape. You lose that football conditioning after a year. There's I mean, it's not the same. You can work out as much as you want, run, do all the drills that you want, but it's not not the same as 17 weeks of, you know, in-game action, right, andrew?
Speaker 3:You know how I feel about the Ravens. I hit that team more than any goddamn team on the face of the planet, you know. But realistically speaking, I don't think they're going to be that great. I don't understand where the hype is coming from, you know. I mean it's. I just don't understand it. You know Lamar Jackson is going to have some, you know, really great moments, like yeah, we should have paid him. Then he's going to get fucking hurt again.
Speaker 1:Right, Kurt, do you do? You? Are the Browns the most hated in your? In your eyes, this is funny because he doesn't care, Like he cares about the Steelers, but he hates the Ravens. So like on your end, since you're in the same division, like, are you privy to that, or are you hating the Bengals or Browns a little bit more now that they're?
Speaker 5:That one's tough to answer. I've I've always disliked the Ravens, but I was that's more of a rivalry type of respect, because those games are just bloodbaths every time. No dirty play, I think the team, especially more so recently I hate the most now, Cincinnati, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Can't stand them, their fans. They had like the past 10 years never happened. But that's okay. They it comes around, goes around. So for me it's definitely Cincinnati. I don't really hate Cleveland. Their fans are kind of annoying, but I mean I can't really hate. I mean I disliked them but I can't really.
Speaker 1:It's okay, andrew's a Browns fan and he doesn't like Cleveland fans either. Like I'm dead seriously, he'd talk shit about Cleveland fans all the time.
Speaker 5:They're just, they're nasty, they're not welcoming. I get it, you know. At the same time, man, come on.
Speaker 1:I've been to Cleveland with Philadelphia. They were there pretty, there are right. There's a. I saw a funny story I took I took Jackson to a pre season game and there's a bunch of Cleveland fans behind me. I was over there, by the tunnel where the away team comes out, and there's two girls and two dudes Obviously they were couples and they, the dudes, go get something to drink or whatever and the girls have been drinking too already and they're like hey, did you know you're a DILF? I go because I just had it was just me and Jackson and Jackson was real little. And they're like yeah, we think you're a DILF. I'm like I mean you want to say that when your boyfriends come back, you fucking Jesus Christ. But yeah, that's.
Speaker 5:Cleveland girls. Cleveland girls are for the streets. See for the streets.
Speaker 3:Cleveland chicks will fuck anybody, just so you know, don't? You know, get too high on your horse there on that, you know. But I figured what my next point was, so I'm just going to shut the fuck up. But yeah, cleveland fans most of them don't know football, and I also get tired of them saying, oh, Pittsburgh sucks Like. How can you say that about Tina Literally beach, our ass. You know how long would big Ben be here.
Speaker 5:That's over 17 years, okay.
Speaker 3:We got our ass beat almost our entire time, Like I cannot sit there and say this team sucks when they beat us all the time. You know what I mean. So that's how I feel about Cleveland fans. So I think you and I can talk football and get along.
Speaker 1:No, we're cool you know, see, no, where things are going to bump heads is when we get into college football season. That's where we'll get there, especially when that big old last week of the season comes up. I'm going to tell you right now, going out on a limb, Ohio State doesn't even touch the top five. I mean, they'll be ranked top five because that's just what the A-P-Pols do, but they're not going to touch the top five this year by the end of the season, Guarantee it.
Speaker 3:Definitely have to cover that with these guys on the next next month, because I really want to touch on that with these guys so a while.
Speaker 1:Michigan, on the other hand, top five, but that's just my as running as the driver of this right now, same. So you guys don't get an opinion yet. Not yet because we're going to save that content for later, but because Hunter's over there smiling, I want to get them energetic when we start dipping into college football. And you know, the best thing about college football in the NFL is that college football starts before the NFL. So you can, so we totally can, just dive right into a whole college football episode with you guys if you guys want to do stuff like that. So, but yeah, you guys got. You guys got anything else. Did you have fun doing the four person panel? I know Hunter, he's been, he's been a mute the whole time, but other than that, it's going to be good.
Speaker 4:I'm, I'm. I'm weak. Yeah, it's going to be a good time and this was a good one. You know, I mean I kind of, I mean I kind of, I mean I kind of, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think.
Speaker 5:I still have a lot more to say, but I will save that from hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got, I got to shut Hunter up here, go ahead.
Speaker 5:I was going to say I have a lot more to say as it relates to NFL stuff, but I'll save that from when we get deeper into this thing. Oh yeah, this is.
Speaker 1:This is definitely just a a little. You know, like it covered, do it's? We're? We're over an hour and a half here, so I mean it doesn't even feel like that. They're just talking to you guys about sports and stuff like that and run things down. But once football season comes on, it's going to be, it's going to be dope and we're going to bring numbers to the table and stuff, obviously. But I mean, I did want to, I did want to touch on it. We're not going to touch on it. But you know, shout out to the women's USA women's team and the women's World Cup. They, they beat Vietnam last night. They're going to win this World Cup. I, they're just, they're going to be nasty.
Speaker 1:So then them girls out there, these, those American girls, know how to play soccer. Those dudes, those American dudes hell, no, no, did you see? Okay, real quick. I'm sorry I'm going to get on a tangent here because I like soccer. Do you guys watch soccer? Okay, that's another sport y'all need to watch, like I'm. I'm fucking dead serious, like you know what. No, here's what we're going to do. We're going to do something. We're going to buy, we're going to go to Columbus Crew Tickets and we're going to go to a Columbus Crew Game and I bet you guys will have more fun at a Columbus Crew Game than a baseball, basketball or hockey game.
Speaker 1:No, maybe not you, because you're a fucking psychopath. Sorry, he's, he's, he's the. So Hunter is a hockey guru. He's all about his hockey. Like hockey. It's like maybe college football and hockey like they might be tied, but I think hockey is over over that for Hunter. I could be wrong. College hockey is definitely over everything. I think it's a good thing Now, college hockey is definitely over everything there. But. But soccer is dope. But the MLS All Stars played like a mediocre Liverpool from the Premier League and got fucking toasted Like American. The American leagues can't play football whatsoever, and I mean European football. Did you have something to say? Because you were. No, you probably your bladder's full, isn't it? Two beers and water and it is. Don't lie to me. As soon as you get out of here, you're just, you're in a MCP pants.
Speaker 3:I long day to all right, oh, let's. This was a real good episode. I'm looking forward to working with these guys in the future, like the affiliates and all that. So that's what I want to close with, and then I just want to shut the fuck up. Sound good.
Speaker 1:Sounds good, you guys got. You guys got anything to add, or? Kurt, you look like you gotta say something.
Speaker 5:So then, after they won yesterday, who do they play next in the women's World Cup?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 3:They play Wednesday and I believe it's another wins, but that's at 9pm, so you know how them overseas games are, while times Dude, I won't say the women's soccer. Watching them chicks play is a lot of fun. I get in the soccer. My 11 year old he's a stud at soccer, so like I've gotten into it because of him. So yeah, it is fun to watch. He was telling me that for years. I'm like I hear for shit, and then I started watching. It went to a crew game. Going to a crew game is a whole different experience. I would just check it out.
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