Do you find yourself often questioning who holds the crown as the best team in the NFL? Your confusion ends here! Join us on this episode of the Shekelup podcast where we, your hosts Anthony Kurt and Hunter, place the spotlight on the Philadelphia Eagles. We're puzzled by the fact that not many consider the Eagles as the league's best, despite their remarkable performance. So, let's break it down together and analyze their record, stats, and upcoming games, including the one with the San Francisco 49ers.
Switching gears, we're serving up a plateful of NFL updates just in time for Thanksgiving. From the Detroit Lions' surprising victory to the record-breaking number of last-minute field goals, we’ve got you covered. Ever wondered how you can enhance your betting game? We're sharing our own betting experiences, our hits and misses, and our forecasts for the upcoming games (no spoilers here!).
Now, let's talk college football. Ohio State and Michigan are about to face off and we've got some predictions. Together we'll discuss everything from team health, quarterbacks' roles, to the potential shake-up of rankings. So grab your earphones, find the coziest corner of your house, and let's get this football conversation started! Whether you're a die-hard NFL fan or just enjoy a good sports chat, we promise you'll find something to love in this episode.
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Debating the Best NFL Team
15:18
NFL Week and Thanksgiving Football Discussion
22:21
Thursday Games
28:46
NFL Betting Analysis
42:09
Ohio State vs. Michigan
52:55
Comparing Ohio State and Michigan's Statistics
57:06
Analyzing Michigan and Ohio State Stats
1:09:07
Ohio State vs. Michigan Game Predictions
1:13:03
Harbaugh Suspension and Ohio State vs. Michigan Game Discussion
1:25:17
Eagles Offensive Production and Cleveland vs Denver
1:32:35
NFL Betting for Upcoming Games
1:48:02
NFL Games and Thanksgiving Food Discussion
1:55:34
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Do you find yourself often questioning who holds the crown as the best team in the NFL? Your confusion ends here! Join us on this episode of the Shekelup podcast where we, your hosts Anthony Kurt and Hunter, place the spotlight on the Philadelphia Eagles. We're puzzled by the fact that not many consider the Eagles as the league's best, despite their remarkable performance. So, let's break it down together and analyze their record, stats, and upcoming games, including the one with the San Francisco 49ers.
Switching gears, we're serving up a plateful of NFL updates just in time for Thanksgiving. From the Detroit Lions' surprising victory to the record-breaking number of last-minute field goals, we’ve got you covered. Ever wondered how you can enhance your betting game? We're sharing our own betting experiences, our hits and misses, and our forecasts for the upcoming games (no spoilers here!).
Now, let's talk college football. Ohio State and Michigan are about to face off and we've got some predictions. Together we'll discuss everything from team health, quarterbacks' roles, to the potential shake-up of rankings. So grab your earphones, find the coziest corner of your house, and let's get this football conversation started! Whether you're a die-hard NFL fan or just enjoy a good sports chat, we promise you'll find something to love in this episode.
0:00
Debating the Best NFL Team
15:18
NFL Week and Thanksgiving Football Discussion
22:21
Thursday Games
28:46
NFL Betting Analysis
42:09
Ohio State vs. Michigan
52:55
Comparing Ohio State and Michigan's Statistics
57:06
Analyzing Michigan and Ohio State Stats
1:09:07
Ohio State vs. Michigan Game Predictions
1:13:03
Harbaugh Suspension and Ohio State vs. Michigan Game Discussion
1:25:17
Eagles Offensive Production and Cleveland vs Denver
1:32:35
NFL Betting for Upcoming Games
1:48:02
NFL Games and Thanksgiving Food Discussion
1:55:34
Appreciation for Reviews and Podcast Updates
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Speaker 2:Sometimes you just have to be the lone wolf in situations, and it's one of those times, and I am one of those lone wolves, anthony.
Speaker 3:K-Mac. Back here with the Made on Ridgeway Sports Podcast. Back here for another one with football.
Speaker 2:We are ready. But before we get into that, we are going to do a little reverse card.
Speaker 4:We are going to do a little reverse card.
Speaker 2:We are going to start with NFL. We also did a little out of sync here. Normally we record on Wednesday, we are recording on a Tuesday and because it is a Tuesday, I have a fresh perspective on a Monday night game against two heavyweights. It looks like two heavyweights. You have the Kansas City Chiefs. That are a pretty team. For the most part they have been pretty over the years. They are like Muhammad Ali of football. The Eagles came in and they were Joe Frazier, the most unorthodox, weird style. If you guys know anything about boxing, joe Frazier really fucked Muhammad Ali up because it was just an unorthodox style. We all know how that game started. At this point all I can say is, if I ask you guys, are the Eagles a good team? No, why not why?
Speaker 4:I think that you can, because you are going to say record, look at that record. I think that you can look at that. I guess, at this point, because you can, almost, I keep wanting to say it can only last a long. They are in the week 11, right, and they are 9-1. Are they up there? I guess you have to put them up there.
Speaker 2:Are the Dolphins still blowing people out? No, no, they are. Tyree Kilg went off last week. I'm just saying Dolphins are a good team, top team in the AFC. They go into Kansas City. Whether you like how it looked, they come out with a W in Kansas City.
Speaker 3:Okay so you are flexing the Miami win, but they said they are better than they looked. But to answer your first question, yes, Phyllis is a good team, but I can't tell you who the best team is right now.
Speaker 2:But why not?
Speaker 3:I can't argue with them, but why not?
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, why not the Eagles? Why are the Eagles not the best team in NFL? Well, that's because it's a very interesting question, especially when I relate to people outside of people who aren't Eagles fans, and nobody can give me a straight answer on why they're not, and I can give you 120 different reasons of why they are.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's a fair argument.
Speaker 4:You can do that for a lot of you. You can do that for a couple of teams. I can't NFL right now. You could.
Speaker 3:I can argue Baltimore is better.
Speaker 2:How can you? Okay, so as Jalen Hurts wins that quarterback, they have better receivers. Yeah, they have. Yeah, they have Hurts over Lamar this season. Lamar is fourth in MVP voting, mvp ranking when it comes to odds, and Jalen Hurts is one.
Speaker 3:But Hurts has more turnovers.
Speaker 2:So Hurts has more rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 3:Okay, Touche.
Speaker 2:So I mean I can't. I'm not trying to be cynical.
Speaker 3:I can't really tell you who's the best team right now.
Speaker 4:But I mean yeah, I see your point.
Speaker 2:But like everybody says, no, the Eagles are not the best team in NFL, but can never give me a team or a reason of why they're not. You're right. Are you going to give me Dallas? They just beat Dallas, right. You going to give me San Francisco? They dropped three in the row, which the Eagles have not.
Speaker 3:I mean, we'll get to see that real soon.
Speaker 2:No, I know we'll get to see it, but even if San Francisco wins, does that make them the best team in the NFL or the best team that day? Because the Eagles will still have a better record? Jalen Hurts is still better than Brock Purdy. No, I'm just saying in general, like I'm just trying to figure out, because people will tell me that the Eagles are not the best team in the NFL but can't tell me why. And I just thought it would be an interesting question to start over, since we're going to talk to about the money.
Speaker 3:Do you want to be the best team right now?
Speaker 4:That's a good question.
Speaker 3:We're the best team.
Speaker 4:We want to be the best.
Speaker 2:We are the best team right now and we haven't even peaked.
Speaker 3:I would say they certainly have the best case for it, but it's hard to put one team above everyone else.
Speaker 2:So when I say the best team in the NFL, do I mean like they're going to end up the best team? No, because nobody knows that, but right now you can't tell me. The Eagles are not the best team in the NFL right now. There's no other logic you can bring to this table. They have better stats on offense than a lot of people combined and, yeah, their defense is they're the 29th ranked past defense, but they're the first ranked running defense. So I mean that might be skewed now because of the way Pacheco went off last night, but the only reason why Pacheco goes off is because that's all. Kansas City has Pacheco outside of Kelsey and they proved that last night To an extent.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's why a league in drops and they dropped the ball Hello, more times than I could count last night, but it was rainy, but still, even if I take Smith in to drop him, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So I get it. Philly is okay.
Speaker 2:No, I mean like, okay, see, he's rolling his eyes a little bit, but it's not. I'm not trying to toot the Philadelphia horn, I'm trying to bring it's a. It's a, it's a national conversation. It's been on every show today, so it's not me.
Speaker 3:The media always comes up with these. They want to grab your attention. They want to grab the headlines.
Speaker 2:And then when you go to Twitter, you'll see it.
Speaker 3:I get it they do have wins, and no team has nine wins. So that's that's. That's fair, right, but I can bring up stuff other than the record. There's still more to see here, so right now.
Speaker 2:yeah, of course, Of course, I'm just saying like what? What is it with people not wanting to get Philadelphia the credit of being, right now, the top team and NFL the best team?
Speaker 4:because they've won so many close games where they haven't looked like a good team.
Speaker 2:So they can close out games, so they're being punished for it.
Speaker 4:They're being punished for not looking the greatest, so you have to look pretty, so you have to look pretty.
Speaker 1:That's their, that's their take, so that's their take on it. Well, let me, let me, let me.
Speaker 3:You said multiple times that they have won ugly games, so they're just that's what they're going off.
Speaker 2:They won, though, that one ugly game. So at that's what I'm saying. Who they are is a gritty team that wins ugly games. That's who their identity is, unlike Kansas.
Speaker 3:City, I know.
Speaker 2:Kansas City doesn't have an identity. They don't know who they are. They're a guy with Patrick Holmes and the best coach in the NFL you, they don't know what they are.
Speaker 3:They don't have an identity, but their defense has been pretty good this year.
Speaker 2:Right, the defense does, but the defense can only do so much. We see that with a lot of teams like the Jets and Pittsburgh. If your offense isn't clicking then you're not going anywhere. And unfortunately for Kansas City they in the last four games they've scored five and a half points in the second half.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're one of the worst second half offenses as far as scoring goes, and they didn't even score last night.
Speaker 2:Philadelphia is six, 16 in the second half. And what they do last night, they score two touchdowns in the second half. They're a gritty, grinded out team. It doesn't look pretty, but I'll tell you what. If that's a Super Bowl, if that's a Super Bowl rematch, and they win like that in the Super Bowl, are people going to say you know what? They really weren't the best team on the field that day and they won a very ugly game. They're not Super Bowl champions, they're not the best team in the league.
Speaker 3:The results is all that matters. I mean I watched that game and I felt like Philly got outplayed, but the second half they were able to stick in it. I mean they allowed five sacks in the first half and hurts out of better reception. That was like complete miscommunication, yeah so that, yeah, aj Brown hurts.
Speaker 2:Didn't see AJ Brown with five dudes in his face. He didn't see AJ Brown say, change the route, change the hot route. So he threw the regular route. So it's not like hurts was completely off. He just thought AJ Brown was running a different route.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but no, that was a pretty solid game. But, like you said, Philly made the plays down the second half of that stretch to win it and almost to say they can't, they can't catch the ball, man, they cannot catch the ball over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and that's that's what happens when you pay your quarterback. That's what I lived with, like people want to know why Andy Reed got stale here. Well, yeah, you have a good once you get a quarterback. Once he gets his quarterback after the first like four years, it gets a little stale because then they can't pay any of the receivers. So you get people like you get one year, one or two years with Tyrell Owens, you know Tyree Kill and then you get you get Jason Avant and Riley Cooper and you know just these, these guys that can catch and play and the quarterback's good enough to get them the ball. They hit their hands when they drop it.
Speaker 3:Then you know true threats, though.
Speaker 2:So yeah, no that's. I just thought I would ask because I'm a Philadelphia fan. I'm like I think they're the best team in the league. They're not the prettiest, but you know it's a fair take for right now, and that's what I said in my question to people who think that it's not, is what I asked you guys.
Speaker 2:Okay, well then give me who and tell me why them you know. So that was interesting. So yeah, as I, as I Cardiac arrest last night, like I said, and then and then the play calling the offensive coordinator is probably going to be the reason why they lose any playoff games. If they do lose playoff games, you cannot. My man is out here playing Madden, he's out here. They would.
Speaker 4:It was bad.
Speaker 2:You do one bubble screen to the left and it got blown up almost intercepted, almost intercepted and then he basically hit the little. If you play PlayStation, he hit our one on the flip. He hit the he hit the flip button and did it to fucking Julio Jones on the other side.
Speaker 4:Wow oh yeah, do you guys even use him at all. Does he play much?
Speaker 2:every now and then, every now and then. And then, kurt, you know the bomb, the bomb to Devante Smith that I told you about that I just mentioned. Right, that was actually a checked play, did you? Did you hear about that? That was a checked play who? Knows what that fucking bullshit play would have been it was probably a run with. It was probably a run to fucking Kenneth Gainwell.
Speaker 4:Oh are you just checked out of the touchdown pass?
Speaker 2:No, he checked out of whatever play and through the bomb to Devante Smith that got them to go ahead. Touchdown. Oh God so so yeah.
Speaker 4:When, when your OC won't call it. Sometimes you've got to do it yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but I just, I just was curious. Like I know, the Eagles are my team so, like on this podcast, people are probably like God he talks about the Eagles a lot, but they are the top team in the NFC, so they're going to be talked about. And it was a game as far as, like you know, the chiefs are favored to still go to the Super Bowl, regardless of how bad they are. They bad, they look at, you know all, despite all their flaws, because why they got the best coach in the NFL and they got the best quarterback in the NFL and so they're always going to be talked about in the running. I personally think like if they can get past this, this Mark Andrews injury Baltimore could go, because this, this is the first playoffs for Pat Mahomes where he might have to sleep in a hotel for the playoff games.
Speaker 3:Yeah, very well, good yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean not, not the first one. He's probably good, they're probably going to win the division. Yeah, they're going to win the game, but I mean right now. Right now it's Baltimore Jags KC.
Speaker 4:It's Jags and two seed right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I mean, they got some climbing to do, not that they can't still do it, but trade deadlines up. Who are you going to get for receivers? You know? And outside of Patrick. Yeah, I mean, aside aside from signing somebody like off the waiver wire, I don't even know who would be available. I wonder if Ryla Cooper is available.
Speaker 2:You might be able to catch some stuff, um, but yeah, no, so that that'll be interesting, because Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes haven't had to go on the road to win together yet. So that'll that'll be interesting. Obviously, the with the Bengals being out, you know, they uh don't, they're definitely not going to make a run. I mean, could Cleveland do it? I don't know, not with a, not with that rookie quarterback, so that looks like as long as the Ravens, it's the division for the Ravens to lose now at this point.
Speaker 2:So yeah, pretty much uh unless you think, unless you think you're, steel curtain can do it.
Speaker 3:Well, uh, the Ravens actually have a pretty tough closing schedule the last four weeks, so anything's possible, but we'll see. We'll see how this develops now that, um, the cancer is gone.
Speaker 2:So yeah, how do you feel about that? Were you celebrating? Were you blowing whistles today?
Speaker 3:I tried doing the backflip but I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4:But um, I called him and he was screaming. I called him like right when the news broke and I was, I thought it off from work and then got let out.
Speaker 3:I called him to see how he was feeling. He was screaming. It's been a great Tuesday, yeah.
Speaker 2:I wonder if he'll be. You know, you know he's. He's probably primed for the Canadian football league now.
Speaker 3:I think he's probably the last name, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Please, yeah, you get Detroit. Detroit doesn't help the, you know they don't. They don't help the Eagles. They win again this weekend and at least they got some breathing room now, because Minnesota ended up losing to Denver. Uh, I thought Justin Jefferson was going to be back that game, so it looks like that he.
Speaker 4:I thought he was back. Is he like playing and not playing, or that you never came back at all?
Speaker 3:You never came back. And then he's questionable play this week already. They said so. I doubt he comes back.
Speaker 2:I don't think he is, because I think what Minnesota said is they got Chicago, which I think is going to be an easier game, and then they got a bi week. So you might as well rest Jefferson and have him come through for the last, you know, december stretch and win some games. Um, yeah, that's. I don't think they're not going to win this division, man, detroit, just they're. I mean, you know, and everybody's talking about the way that the Eagles look as far as winning and stuff like that. Let's look at the Lions for a second Three interceptions, they might have the number one seed. If the Eagles lose out, they might have the number one seed. And you got a quarterback through three interceptions and won a last minute field goal. The NFL set a record with five last minute go ahead, walk off field goals this week. Like and that's not.
Speaker 2:That's no, that was this week. Okay, so I think they set one last week, but then there was more. These aren't, these aren't just winning by field goals. This is, this is literally kicking the field goal to win the game. Like you're down, yeah, yeah. So it's a walk off field goal. We had five of them this week and that set an NFL record. This whole year, I think an NFL has been gritty and ugly for everyone. There is no pretty team.
Speaker 3:Nope.
Speaker 2:Not really. It might have been the dolphins at first and then they stepped out. I mean, they did right, it looks smooth. At first it looked like a nice, well oiled engine and then it kind of like I got a little rusty, a little bit of rust spot in it.
Speaker 3:Faded.
Speaker 2:So I the whole NFL isn't pretty this year.
Speaker 3:I mean it's, it's quite, it's kind of it's really crazy Because you, tom Brady, called it mediocre and he was right.
Speaker 2:Shut up, tommy, go back, go do your TB 12. Shit, whoa, he's out of the game. He just be quiet. Go do your thing. Go go back to Giselle.
Speaker 4:Oh, go, oh go, oh, go, go, go Go.
Speaker 2:Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go Go. But he can be the goat, he could just be the goat doing something else.
Speaker 3:He should be worried about fixing the Raider, since he's a minority owner.
Speaker 2:Is he a minority owner? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, you never know, he might my. Maybe he does like a John L Way thing and actually owns the Patriots. Maybe he goes in and buys out Robert Kraft.
Speaker 4:That'd be do what I did not.
Speaker 2:He's a guy that replaces Belichick. That would be now. That would be fucking funny, like if he walked in there and you know, you know the GM says or he becomes a GM of the Patriots and he's like hey, bill, you're fired, get out. But so did you guys do okay in NFL last week, besides some of the other stuff? I know I don't mean Kurt, we're on Philadelphia, so honestly, it was a bad NFL week.
Speaker 3:A bad week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I took, I took, I took. I took Cleveland last week and ended up hitting me and you went head to head on that, so I know you took pit. What else did you take last week?
Speaker 3:Baltimore covered, detroit didn't cover, denver didn't cover, the Eagles covered that. We took the Jets and they got smacked. And Seattle didn't cover and the Texans didn't cover either. Or did they? Was a 16 to 21. That was gonna cover.
Speaker 4:But I thought so yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, so they covered cuz it was four and a half. So Three dubs, three dubs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I ended up hitting with the Bengals, cleveland You're. And then you're right, the Lions didn't hit. And then what was the final score? To Denver Minnesota, one point game 21, 20 down to one. Okay, so I hit. I hit on that because Minnesota was a plus two and a half. I hit on Philly and then I Hit on the LA ran. I pushed with the LA Rams Because that was a one-point win also, wasn't it it?
Speaker 3:was yep and LA. That's just a push, then okay.
Speaker 2:Yep, and then I took Houston at minus four and a half. And they covered yep, and then I whiffed on the Jets so I had a good week. I mean I went to. I only missed on two. So I Thought Minnesota would win outright. I took them with the points, but you know it's all about that.
Speaker 2:Good week for me, though I'll take it, you know. But this week, you know, we got this Thanksgiving, you know, and we're giving thanks to all these teams and all the money they're losing for us bastards. And you know what do we get, guys, on Thanksgiving? We get Thanksgiving football games. Do you guys stay in front of the TV all Thanksgiving? Pretty much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the way my family does Thanksgiving, we do it Wednesday night, so usually I just have left over, and then if I'm off work I'm usually just in front of the TV. And now with sportsman It'll be even worse. But there's actually. There's a lot of stuff going on Thanksgiving day. Then the big college basketball matchup, one of the first of the year. Yeah of that magnitude. So there's some good sports on all day, just Thanksgiving day wise. So Be a lot to do, keep us busy.
Speaker 2:I'm keeping an eye, definitely out, obviously, on football all day, because one, you got Detroit at Green Bay, or no, I've dream Bay at Detroit my bad, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. And then, so that has to do with the, the rankings in NFC, and then Washington at Dallas. Now, I know that's a heavy point spread for that one, but you know, we'll talk about that when we get to it. And then, of course, san Francisco taken on Seattle in Seattle. So I mean it's, it's got a lot of NFC implications for me. So I'll be watching, watching intently, because worse come to worse. I'm scouting to see if the Eagles can handle some of these guys. But Well, talk about, let's get into these Thursday games. Man, yeah, we got, like I said, detroit, and Green Bay is the first one and Detroit is a seven and a half point favorite. What Do you guys think? It's Detroit cover. They didn't cover the half last week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, kicking off at 1230 Green Bay on the road. After they won a close game over the Chargers, these they played back during the season. Detroit, pretty much handling, won that game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was in Green Bay.
Speaker 3:Correct Think it was like 24 to 10.
Speaker 2:That was the one where I was laughing at you because you had so much love for Jordan and I was like you're just like you think Detroit. I said no, I don't.
Speaker 3:I'm probably, I think, man, I this this season, week to week, is in so hard to guess and I feel like With these division games you don't really know what's going on. It's a Thursday game and Thursday games are always weird, so I'm I probably I'm gonna go with Green Bay plus seven and a half, but Detroit still wins it.
Speaker 2:You know, I kind of agree with you on that. I don't think I mean Green Bay got their butts kicked in last time. I don't know if they're gonna sit out of idly by, but I also don't think if there's much they can do To put up a fight as well. Like I still don't believe in Jordan love it's not like he's gotten much better over the season since then. And I believe what's coincidentally, I believe that was a Thursday night football game as well. So here we are another Thursday that's weird playing Green Bay on both Thursdays.
Speaker 2:But, um, but I think, after being all you know, being a across the Across the country and then coming back, that might, you know, give them a little bit of a toll on early week. You know, you're talking about a little bit of jet lag and it was a hard-fought game. I mean, it was a high emotional game. So you know, I and it's funny because Detroit was up, I was watching there's like 21 to like three or something like that I'm like, alright, this game's over. I kind of start a flip and I flip back and Detroit's fighting for their life.
Speaker 3:Yes, yep, what the go-aheads are running the ball for a game winner.
Speaker 2:But that's just who the Chargers are. They can score. It's just their defense. That's not really any. That's not helping the Chargers out and that offensive line for Herbert dude. The Chargers are like the fucking Cincinnati Bengals, like they just don't care about offensive line oh yeah, they get everything else. They get everything else, and then they just don't touch offensive line.
Speaker 4:Throw into the woods, I mean I think it could play better at times, but it's always Herbert that, herbert, this I'm like oh line where, oh line where I can't believe.
Speaker 2:I know he got his money, but I can't you wanted his money.
Speaker 2:He wanted his money from that team and they, that's what, that's what the Chargers are trying to do. They're so used to like Phillip Rivers and shit like that, like Like having a quarterback and it's like, oh, we don't got to do anything else, and but then so so they give Detroit a hard time, and I think, only because one Golf fucks up a little bit and the Chargers can still score, green Bay can't score. So I Don't know, man, because the Troy environment now is probably gonna be nasty, so, but I still they didn't cover the eight points. I think division game Close. You know, at home Revenge I'll take Green Bay with the seven and a half. What do you think, hunter?
Speaker 4:well, I think that I've been looking into these Thanksgiving games a little bit Just see what I can find, and I had. I did see that the Lions haven't wanted Thanksgiving game since 2016. However, they play and I'm, you know, one of the most in the NFL. What the most I believe in the NFL for Thanksgiving games.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I haven't won one since 2016. I think this is a good spot for them to get back. I thought that, though, it would have been a really bad look ahead spot and then, especially, how the game played out. If the Lions lose that game, I think they kind of tailspin, but the Lions fans have been saying it's a new Lions team and I'm kind of starting to believe it, and this last week really showed me that, because, yeah, they started off really well, but yeah, they they allowed Chicago to come back, almost take over the game, and to me, any Lions teams of all lose that game, they find a way to lose that game, and the Lions this year they're just, they're playing better football, they're playing team football and they haven't won a Thanksgiving games as 2016.
Speaker 4:I think they kind of they got to change the script somewhere. They're gonna play on Thanksgiving so much and in a year that they're doing better than they usually have, I'll take the Lions for sure to win. I don't know about seven and a half, though. I feel like that's a weird line. I'd like it if it was under a touchdown, but at seven and a half that's a weird line right now. So see if that hasn't been moving on that.
Speaker 2:So the Bears still manage to keep up in there, and then Green Bay does the same. Let's move on to the next one. Let's just just yeah, let's keep moving, let's keep rolling this ball into, like Washington and Dallas, oh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I Believe this is the first time they're playing this year, so it's a division game. Dallas minus ten and a half, that's a. That's obviously a big line. But but what I've seen this year when Dallas plays trash teams, they take it to them, and when they play good teams, they kind of quake.
Speaker 3:Arizona so Yep, yep, they, they were salt quaking that one. I Like Dallas to cover minus ten and a half. Like I said, they, when they play these bad teams, they just take it to them, though that Carolina game was pretty close for about three and a half quarters and they kind of really put them on, put it on them, and yeah, that's just a panther so yeah, washington losing to the Giants.
Speaker 2:We have this funky thing in the NFC ease. I don't know if you guys got it over there in the AFC North, but there's always a team in our division who gives us fits like the Eagles is Washington. For some reason, washington just gives us fits for. For Washington it's the Giants. I don't know why, but the Giants always give Washington a hard time, and for Dallas it's Washington. You forget, don't forget. There have been years, the Alex Smith when Alex Smith injury happened that year.
Speaker 2:Yep, they they kicked Dallas out of the playoffs. That year Was the last.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they, they split. Last year I remember Dallas looked terrible against them that final week of the season. So I'm just going off what I'm seeing this year, and when Dallas plays a bad team, they just Take it to him. That defense plays pretty good. So I like Dallas minus ten and a half.
Speaker 2:But at some point the thing is like the trend. For them it's got to stop right.
Speaker 3:You would think, yeah, I mean, it is a vision game, anything can happen and Dallas is undefeated at home. They're like ten wins in a row or something crazy, I don't know, I had a look, I don't know the exact number, but they've won pretty good amount of games at home the past year and a half.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I mean Washington wasn't too good last year. Dallas is pretty much the same team. Washington won 26 to 6.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I get it.
Speaker 3:I'm not rooting for Dallas to win. Oh yeah, no, no I.
Speaker 2:Never get. A couple years ago, 41 to 16 Washington wins, dallas 3 to 25 Washington wins. I mean so like there's been games where Dallas should just wipe the floor with Washington and all of a sudden and a couple years ago they planted Thanksgiving and Washington wiped the floor with them.
Speaker 2:I remember that it was 2020 and see, and this is and this is. This is what you got to look at too. Dallas is coming off of beating the ass. Beating that ass the last couple games between the Giants and the Panthers, right. So what are they thinking? We're the fucking best team, right? Like we look at the way we're fucking winning. Meanwhile, Washington's got to come back from getting spanked around Yep and go. You know what? Let's go take it out on these bastards over here. So give me Washington plus 10 and a half. It's a short week for both of them. I get it. Thanksgiving game. Dallas is used to playing on Thanksgiving. It's gonna be live in Dallas. Does Washington win? I don't know, but I don't think it's a 10 and a half point win fingers crossed.
Speaker 3:Fingers crossed, they win.
Speaker 2:What do you think, hunter? That's your, that's your second favorite team.
Speaker 4:Yeah, at 11 points. I mean I think you guys both make a good case. But I just like to think back to these. All these NFC games are usually close touchdown games and Washington I mean you're right, tony, washington is Dallas is kryptonite. And yeah, I mean I remember you know, growing up I watched Washington have no business playing with Dallas and give them games or just flat out scrape them. You know, and it really has been Washington, if one of them been able to give Dallas fit, it has been Washington throughout the years. And At 11 points. I think that you know the last four games before this previous week for Washington we're all like three point losses to some pretty decent competition and you know that they go out. They play a bad one against the Giants. I think I'm gonna go with Tony here. I like the, I like the rebound. I think Dallas probably went on Thanksgiving, but by 10 and a half 11. I think I'll take Washington with 11.
Speaker 2:If not, we'll all be napping after dinner. You know I'm sorry after lunch. Yeah, yeah, this one's over Time to see. And so for our next one we're heading out West Seattle versus San Francisco. So if it's, san Francisco is in Seattle and San Francisco it looks like they're back on track. For the most part they're the most I don't know bipolar team, like they're the most bipolar good team that I've seen. At least the Eagles are. Just. They just got anger Like they're like like they need anger management, like they're just grimy gritty, they want to just do all that stuff. San Francisco's bipolar. They're like one minute they're losing three and next minute they're winning three. Um, seattle's a seven point underdog there. That is a highly disrespectful Seattle line, very disrespectful line, and I'm taking the Seattle Seahawks because that 12th man and Geno Smith. I know Kenneth Walker didn't do much last game and I get it, I know. But Did he get hurt? Okay, I have him in fantasy. I only got me like two points early in that game, as Do we know if it's serious.
Speaker 4:They're both questionable. Him and Geno are questionable, and look at it right now.
Speaker 2:So that might be the line. But if they're questionable, they're gonna try to get in this game because they still have playoff hopes, like in aspirations, like they can still win this division. Yes so they have to play especially, they win here.
Speaker 4:They're tied. They're tied for first place and they.
Speaker 2:Maybe they got the Geno get pulled last week too, or did he end up playing through it?
Speaker 3:He had up coming back from that elbow injury during the game.
Speaker 2:Okay, so he's gonna. He's gonna play, and I think Kenneth Walker probably makes a comeback. Maybe they pull him Last game just to kind of save him for this one coming up.
Speaker 4:So you know, you know, played a bunch. He played. He threw 34 times. He's more of a block to play I think I'm looking at it here and Kenneth Walker only rushed four times. So could have been precautionary for this big game, yeah, but I don't know. That don't look too good, especially if you still questionable and you only got four rushes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 3:They took him out immediately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So, but in like dated today, say anything. Was he standing on the sideline or did they take him completely off the field, like in the back? Do we know? No, I don't know, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't think they dove. I was watching. I was watching that game on red zone. I don't really think they dove really hold on to that injury.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, I still think Seattle, even without Kenneth Walker, is good enough to. I mean, you got DK Metcalf out there still and you got Tyler Lockett. He's still a good receiver and you know it's in Seattle on top of it. So Give me Seattle plus seven. Do they win, maybe? I hope so. Actually, I kind of don't hope. So I hope San Francisco wins. I really don't want to play a pissed off San Francisco After the bills.
Speaker 4:So yeah, yeah, we'll see Right at the wrong time, because it looks like Joe Allen might at least made a comeback or some sort.
Speaker 2:Joe Allen, I Didn't make no comeback that the bill. We'll talk about that later. So then, what do you think, you guys?
Speaker 4:You know I Really want to take Seattle with the points, but I must feel like the entire world's gonna see that line and be like who's Seattle at home plus points, and and then with the questionable injuries kind of had me thinking as well, do the Niners have an edge with that?
Speaker 2:Here's the thing. Do you want to jump on it early and hope that them to play? Because if they, if it comes out of them to our planet playing, that line will change, obviously yeah. So do you want to jump? On it early at plus seven.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think that's the.
Speaker 2:I think especially for the money, for the value, yeah, let's let's take the actual, like let's go gambling aspects to it, as opposed to like football, logic, right and the gambling aspect is okay when?
Speaker 2:if you want, you can wait, if most people want to wait, till Wednesday night and if it stays that line, and then put your money in on San Francisco I still think that's a heavy line being in Seattle, but it's not a bad line or you can put your money in and then Gino Smith and then play, and then that line goes down to three and a half or maybe even two, and you just bought seven points, you know, and everybody else got to buy the two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so last year the 49ers beat them three times and that playoff game was such a good game though. Yeah, no, that one was pretty close until that fumble, the red zone happened, and then all I'm not some shit but the Niners had also a big injury happen. They lost their all-pro safety, huffonga, for the rest of the season. Who what yeah?
Speaker 2:who funger?
Speaker 3:Huffonga Junior. He's pretty solid, but I Don't know, I didn't like how Seattle played Sunday against the Rams. Maybe they looked to bounce back here. I mean, you're gonna need a big game out of Gino in that running game and I still like the Niners defense a lot, so I'm gonna ride with the Niners minus seven, to be honest with you. Okay, I just said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not about bad, bad, bad game.
Speaker 3:But I mean maybe it'll stay within seven, it'll be a push. But I Just you know, maybe Gino re-injures that I mean, with that pass for us, with Chase young starting to get cooking a little bit, maybe, maybe he gets re-hurt.
Speaker 2:I'm not knocking on wood, but and that's the other thing that kind of makes it less risky. Is it's, yeah, the other thing that makes it less risky if you take Seattle's, if, like, even if they don't play, there's a chance that there could be a late touchdown score to come back, or whatever, and then it stops at seven and then it's a push, you know, yep.
Speaker 4:With with betting, I just feel like you're almost generally better taking the points, unless you're, like, overly confident in the team favorite.
Speaker 2:Right, right, like that's what I'm saying, like you got to be. So like Dallas fans are probably pounding the table and jerking off In a tissue with the ten and a half point line, you know, like that. So he's like hey, there he is. What's what is up, brandon? So For those of you watching on YouTube and stuff like that, we have my brother-in-law, brandon, and he's gonna, he's gonna work out. We were actually just talking about some NFL games before we get into college, brandon. So we're talking about the Seattle Seattle seven and a half point favorite. And then we talked about your. We talked about your Dallas Cowboys being a ten and a half point favorite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so you see, this is Kurt, he's one of, and then Hunter Hunter. What's going on, brandon?
Speaker 5:No, nothing, I the pause got me.
Speaker 2:The pause. Yeah, it's probably that that data, that data and stuff like that. So we're looking at Pittsburgh and Cleveland or Pittsburgh and Cincinnati next. So what do you guys think?
Speaker 3:Um minus One and a half for the Steelers is the current point spread. We haven't played the bangles this year yet, so I'm not really sure what to expect with the backup quarterback, and I don't really know what to expect Offensively speaking. With Canada being gone. I still like our pass rush against their offensive line and I I think we bounced back this week. We haven't lost back-to-back games this year, so I think we bounce back with the dub.
Speaker 2:Alright, alright, we'll see. I had. Honestly, I don't. I want to stay away from this game. If I have it gun in my head, it's at home. So maybe Cincinnati, but other than that, I don't think I, I don't care, don't know. It's one of those kind of things you know, hunter.
Speaker 4:I'll take the Steelers. I think that the defense will be a little bit too much against a backup who hasn't played much. I think that I think the team as a whole is just kind of gonna be have a new energy and just kind of have more life, with Canada finally being gone. I saw a compilation and Fire Canada literally went around the world to the Penguin Stadium College Game Day. It was at, uh, james washingtoners that it was at their stadium. That thing went everywhere.
Speaker 4:So I you know, I saw so much about pitch for never firing anybody in season and I think that this was just the guy that they had to do it to this was the first time since 1941 They've done such thing, such a thing. Yeah, yep, yep, that's all. So I think uh, the pitch were defense and uh a A rejuvenated offense. That's probably a little bit happier to play football now. I think they get it done against the backup.
Speaker 2:All right, all right sounds awesome.
Speaker 1:Here's time for Hunter's hockey hits on the schedule podcast brought to you by Hunter Keiser.
Speaker 2:All right, you know what timing is, you guys, it's hunter's hockey hits. So, hunter, hit us with a couple of those hockey bets, bro.
Speaker 4:Let's go. We are back with some hockey. Got the last pick right, took the flyers over the blue jacket and, uh, looking at some of this weekend's accident, boston takes on columbus on sunday 7 pm. Boston Playing incredible hockey, columbus not so much. Columbus is 4 and 11. They're playing their back. It's venture martin who was 15 and 1 and boston's backup is 7 0 and 2. Boston is on the road in columbus. I think boston gets the win. I'll take the Bruins on the money line over the columbus blue jackets.
Speaker 2:Dude flyers are looking pretty good, by the way, like I was looking at some of those, some of those guys. They got a. I think they got some bad eggs out of that clubhouse and now, with the way the culture is changing there, I think it's actually good for them.
Speaker 4:So yeah, the flyers are really set up for they're gonna be good in a couple years. They drafted somebody last year who won't be there for a couple years, but it'll give them time to get better elsewhere and I think the flyers in a couple years could be up and coming like they were in the early 2000s when they played Chicago in the santa cup.
Speaker 2:Oh right, so here's what we're gonna do, because I got Brandon here and really I was just buying time, you know, because I needed some backup and I kind of lied to you guys a minute when I was going to do the reversal here. I wanted things to be even on this podcast and let's get into the big game. All right, it's a little teaser, got it? We hit some of the NFL games. I bought some time and now we're gonna discuss it. It's gonna be the only college game that we do this week. I think the the rest of the college's latest trash and there's only one game that america cares about. Right, it's the biggest game in rival. You know, it's the biggest, biggest thing, biggest rivalry in sports we get. We can all concur to that.
Speaker 3:Again, absolutely no question.
Speaker 2:No doubt. All right. So Ohio State is a three and a half point underdog at michigan. That's a pretty low line. That's a pretty low line for michigan. I figured I thought they would have came out a five point favorite and I believe this line has went down in Ohio State's favor. It started at a four. Is that the public or is that smart money?
Speaker 3:Or is that? Um, I could see you know the, the such great, you know ignorant fan base that resides in columbus.
Speaker 2:I don't know, they might be too drunk down there to actually they bet To download the app and bet they might not pay attention to the lines too early for them. Um, okay, so let's just, let's just go. Who we going with here? Let's, let's, kurt, kurt, you go first. Just tell me who you're picking.
Speaker 3:Straight up. Who am I picking?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, I, I, this game is always circled 364 days begins to count down to the next one. Um, you know, as they say, you keep your friends close but your enemies closer. So I've, I have watched A lot of Ohio State this year because I always keep them in mind, like, all right, this is where we can get them. I see, I have seen A lot of times this year where they've been able to scrape by and I've seen teams just blow opportunities against the squad that Ohio State was they would overcome Michigan. Um, they'll pass two weeks. You know, especially with that Maryland game, they were able to scrape by. That was not a good performance whatsoever.
Speaker 3:But I am going with big blue Michigan for the third straight year to win hard balls, a big loss, obviously on the sidelines. But, um, I just, I don't. I don't see, I don't see McCord being able to come in there in arbor and win a game where we had a loss of game since 2020, which was the COVID season. Um, so I can die, we can keep diving in, but there's both. I can, I can give a reason why both teams will win, but I, I like, I like Michigan to win this with.
Speaker 3:We're better in the trenches? Jj's better than McCord. Obviously, marvin Harrison jr In a bokeh are better than who we have. Roman Wilson didn't even play last week because he got hit cracks and then they took him out precautionary wise and um Defense it's real close, though defensively it's real close um. I think how states really improved a lot in the trenches as far as that's concerned. I haven't really seen nobody really run on them like that um, but I just I don't think McCord's that guy and I know straw was a lot better than the cord.
Speaker 2:Okay, hunter, do you have anything to add to that? Like are you? You can, obviously your consensus.
Speaker 4:Yeah, obviously. I mean just just quickly, before we get into it more. I just I think that one thing that Is is failed to mention is, I would say, just to start off, the teams are healthy and for the first time and you know, census robber has been Back. I think we can say that this both these squads have as close to a clean bill of health as you're going to get. Maybe some nagging injuries here or there, but from a general perspective, the teams are healthy and I think that I think that this game, like Kirk mentioned, will be run one of the trenches.
Speaker 4:I think that, um, the quarterbacks obviously one. They do have to throw the ball. They're gonna it's going to mean a lot more, um, but I think that one of the reasons, the main reason why I think Michigan will win, is because in years past, michigan's played great defense and have not been able to give up a single play to a quarterback, because it throws me perfect every time. I think McCord will suit himself in the foot more times than Michigan will really have to make him pay for. I see him miss a lot of balls and he just shouldn't miss a lot of open ones too. So I think that, where Michigan couldn't Couldn't even be Imperfect for a second against these quarterbacks, I think that McCord may be his own downfall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, okay, all right, and so what? What? As far as for you two because obviously Michigan is your guys, it seems I want you to elaborate on a lot of this. So we you tell me, like what, how heavily, how handled these? Like, if you had to, like, is this? Back in the year, we thought that, hands down, michigan's gonna win this right the beginning of the year, just the way that it kind of looked, is it? Is it by a lot of points by, and I guess by a lot, I mean seven, are you, is this seven plus here for this game this weekend?
Speaker 4:I'm in your opinion max. I'm at seven max. Either way, I think I'm at seven max.
Speaker 3:Okay um, I could, I could. I could spend that narrative two ways because to me, if a house date does not stop our running game, if this is a minus 10 for me, but if they stop a running game, which I expect they will slow down, I don't expect I don't expect adwords To have 200 yards again, which were obviously from really two big runs which closed out that game last year. But I don't think a house date fans are forget. I don't think they're remembering that we didn't even have Blake corn last year. Right, so that that's.
Speaker 3:That's a big factor here, and I believe if a house date can limit our running game which is the only way we've been winning the past few weeks, mind you, I think they'll slow it down and I think they'll keep it within a score. I truly believe that, especially if JJ has a turnover or two.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right. Well, that at least is close, right, it's like it's not gonna be. We're looking at a blowout. Now we're gonna move over to the other side here for a minute and I'm gonna go with my guest, obviously for this evening. That's gonna help me out as branded. I want to get Brandon's opinion on this as my man, because my man is a big Ohio State fan. He probably knows a lot about this and what do you what?
Speaker 2:what do you think, brother, like what do you think about this game? As far as you know, kind of how I told them break it down, why is why do you think Ohio State, like I'm assuming like what do you think? Do you think Ohio State can pull off? It is in the big house and her curtain hunter made good points about it being in the big house and their record and stuff like that. Um, so I know we're all fans here, we want our teams to win, but, analytically speaking, what do you think about this game?
Speaker 5:I mean I kind of Share their same thoughts about this is going to be a a battle tested In the trenches game. You know that's big 10 football, um. But I think At the end of the day it really comes down to can Michigan limit Marvin Harrison and can Ohio State limit quorum? You know, just like uh Kurt was saying, I mean, if that ground game gets going for Michigan, you know it's probably all she wrote for Ohio State.
Speaker 5:But the thing that right I really love about Ohio State this year was that you know they had to go on the road, they had to win a bunch of tough games like a Notre Dame and I know a lot of people aren't given Notre Dame a lot of respect right now because the way that they've won some games and lost others that they should have won, um.
Speaker 5:But it comes down to like, what can you do on the road? And Ohio State has proven that they can win on the road. And Also, I mean I'm not a huge fan of my cord Um, you know JJ is obviously more experienced, so he has that going for him in Michigan. But I think if there's one thing that mccord has done, as he's stepped up in those tough situations and for the most part, he's protected the ball, and I think that's really all that he Needs to do in this game is just to get it to Marvin and Protect the ball, and I even. The best thing is that, uh, henderson is actually healthy to some degree and that you know he can actually get our run game going, and I think that's what we've been missing in the earlier part of the season.
Speaker 2:Okay, and that's yeah, that's Brett.
Speaker 4:I actually want to ask a question real fast. I posed a question to Brandon so Because I've I've just heard mixed, mixed emotions on mccord as a whole, on a scale of one to ten, especially as you go into the missing game. How confident are you as a fan that mccord can get marvin harrison the ball on a consistent basis?
Speaker 5:I'd say I'm probably about an eight, honestly. I mean, if there's one thing that I can rely on is that he will get him the ball. I would have liked him to get it to tight ends more. I would like him to spread it around a little bit more often.
Speaker 4:Um, but Harrison is you think he might? Might force feed him a little bit, just a little bit at least.
Speaker 5:I mean he might being at that. You know it's gonna be loud up there. It's gonna be loud and, you know, bigger than penn state or Notre Dame was. I think it's gonna be extra loud. I mean, of course it's the game, so it's gonna be loud. Um, I think that plays a factor. Um, but like I said, you know, mccord has shown in few Uh games, like the Notre Dame game. I know I keep bringing that up, but I mean I just keep going to back to that as, like during that entire game, I was questioning can does this guy even have it? Do we have anything else, you know, in our backup? You know what? What else can we do here? Like, because I'm I'm not sold on him, but I am sold on our defense, I am sold on marvin harrison and if you know henderson can get it going, then yeah, I think we can win this game All right Anything else for him hunter.
Speaker 4:Um no, I think we'll let it keep going and if I have any other questions I'll just pop in and ask you, like I did.
Speaker 2:Okay. So, all right, now it's my turn and I I've done, I've been doing, I've dug deep and I'm actually kind of shocked at some of these, these stats, because ohio state actually Beats out with having the quote Can, okay, can we agree on one thing here, as has ohio state had the tougher schedule? No, no, no, no, don't roll your eyes yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, that's my answer. My one game.
Speaker 4:Yes, Okay one game yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, I just want to talk about yes, I'm not trying to be, I'm this isn't me being cocky or prick. I'm trying to break down some numbers for you guys. I know hundred over there is getting mad with that, but I'm not talking about ranking in the schedule and stuff like that. I'm talking about the production that both teams have put out, with Ohio State having a harder schedule. Right, because Ohio State has a harder schedule and they allow more points in Michigan, is it okay that they allow, like poor per game, points per game for? A lot more points.
Speaker 2:You do know what I'm saying like, so that I'm saying that's where I'm speaking, the tougher schedule, because there needs to be a little bit A leeway when we break down the statistics here, right?
Speaker 4:a little microscopic Right. It's literally one dip one, one harder game than Missy and played.
Speaker 2:Well and no they took it off the schedule, so let's just talk about that too and with that one harder game, ohio State and Offensive production only loses to Michigan by points allowed. But you don't talk about McCord and how he's performed over JJ. Mccord has 500 more yards of production than JJ does. Mccord this season has 2,899 yards passing, jj has 2,325 yards and passing Corum there barely, barely beats out Henderson and Henderson was out a couple games. Henderson has 794, corum had 888 this season and the best, the number one receivers for both teams Marvin Harrison, obviously Molly Wops Wilson in production.
Speaker 4:How, what is? What is that exactly?
Speaker 2:Marvin Harris is 1,093 yards, wilson is 612. All right, now, where we're, michigan beats Ohio State is points allowed per game. What do you think that is hunter?
Speaker 4:Oh, points allowed per game. Yeah, I'd say, miss missy games around 24 actually.
Speaker 2:they're very low this season it's no like 10 oh, wait no.
Speaker 4:Yeah, never know. Yeah, wait a lot on defense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, points allowed.
Speaker 3:Nine, you're ten. We've allowed nine you're ten, a game.
Speaker 4:And how I get out nine or ten as well.
Speaker 2:That's fair. Ohio State is at nine, point three oh. Wow, okay now we're missing with that nine and.
Speaker 4:I think it's nine point three Okay now, what do you?
Speaker 2:what do you think Michigan as far, so at points per game, where do you think Michigan's at?
Speaker 4:So that's scored points.
Speaker 2:I say yeah, yeah, yeah 24 to 30. I'd say about no 28, no 38.3, that's a missing in score per game 38.3.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, average. So they'll break down the whole score and then they get the average right and Ohio State is 33.6. So it's a five point difference. And that's why I asked about this. That's why I said the strength of schedule, because it kind of comes in different Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that because it was a lower scoring game. Come to Notre Dame game Yep, so it is a very close, but, like I said, you got like we were talking about. You know what can McCord do and all that stuff? He's got 500 more passing yards, you but and the same in the same phrase, though, there are and is only about a hundred, a hundred more rushing yards for Michigan. So where the production and off it's come.
Speaker 4:Can we add at a bridge in there? Did you come for Edwards with that?
Speaker 2:I just I did the main running back.
Speaker 4:I mean if I didn't break down all the running backs.
Speaker 2:I did. I did the number ones right. I'm not gonna go through all four receivers either. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:One a1b for Michigan. That's why I say that it's not like it's a one and two, it's a one a1b, so the Edwards might actually had some sense.
Speaker 3:That's that, the stats, I mean are going to speak in favor of Ohio State because we had all of our starters sitting out by mid Third quarter while they were clawing to scratch, win game and win games in the fourth quarter. If we wanted to vote, if we wanted to boost JJ's numbers for the hyzer we could have, but that wasn't what we needed to do. The plan was get up to 30 points, only allow seven, take him out by the mid of the third quarter. There was no need To let him keep slinging it, risk injury, and just for the Heisman. So I would say that the player stats are dismissed and also the fact that Blake Coleman, donovan Edwards have split touches. We don't. Maybe it's not 50, 50 straight up, but it's definitely a 65, 40, 60, 40 kind of split. But I mean it's. The stats will speak for how state, but the eye test was say otherwise with the quarterback. I'm not gonna debate Marvin Harrison Jr Versus.
Speaker 2:No, there is no debate there.
Speaker 3:If we had Marvin Harrison Jr, that boy would have put up some Really really nice numbers. Obviously he's a top-ten I'm not gonna even get into that but the numbers could be different had we actually played Every all of our starters from for the rest of those games. Okay but that benefited from the soft schedule. So that that's what it is. That's what it is All right.
Speaker 2:So here's, here's another little stat and here we go with the gambling. Right, because that's what we're talking about and it's just so close, because we're talking about this from a gambling aspect. Right, because even if, even if, even if Michigan beats Ohio State, and it's only by three, ohio State Wins the bet, right? So an aspect of this Ohio State's record is six and four this season against the spread. Do you know what Michigan's is? I Probably terrible. Three and seven it's almost dead even with these two teams, because it's five and five.
Speaker 4:So even five and five no, no, no. Okay.
Speaker 2:This, this doesn't even this doesn't even help me with betting, because I'm like all right, well, they're both pretty much even. They don't. They do and don't cover against this red, obviously with kind of football it's really hard right, because all with with all that stuff.
Speaker 3:But massive lines.
Speaker 5:It. It's it's funny you bring up that. I think Go ahead, it's funny. It's it's funny that you bring up like how close like all the stats are and you know like how even keel that is, um, just because, like uh, what was it? Uh, recently I was watching um, I don't know.
Speaker 5:Anyway, though, the fact is like they had like a cast of like 12 panelists and they were talking about how, like, what will be the, the final rankings, you know, like the top four when it comes out. After you know the season, the regular season's done, and they still had Ohio State and Michigan in the top four. So the way that the public, you know the, the national media, everything looks at this game Is it's so dead even that, despite like, whatever the result will be, like it's, these two teams will probably end up in the top four again. I mean that's always up for debate, but the, the fact of the matter is it's it's so close and I mean that's really the at the end of the day could go to Anyone. That's why I think that the line is so close.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah it's. It's Like I said this line. I really would have loved to see what the line was at the beginning of the year. I really would, because of the way that McCord was producing. It looks like McCord is get is getting his stuff in gear a little bit. Is he this premier quarterback? No, um. Is he a good college quarterback? He's probably a good college quarterback. Is he great? No, um. But I mean, even with defense, is what they got Ohio State's got Eikenberg? I mean he, he's gonna get drafted at some point when that is maybe next. I don't know. Is he up? Is he senior this year? So is he gonna be? Is he? Is he going out?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I believe he is a senior. Yeah, I, I did see him he's. Uh. Yeah, he's one of candidate up for the draft.
Speaker 2:It's not the same as old and I think I I'm Michigan can run, is gonna run on Ohio State. I don't Passing wise. I think it's gonna be kind of even keel. Um, and for the run game, ohio State only has Henderson. But we're talking about betting here. I'm going to take my pick. Not, this isn't a fan, this is my gut feeling. This is looking at things. It's trending up from McCord and Harrison. It's been trending up all season and I don't know if, if, if, if, if Marvin, if, if Marvin Harrison definitely can get going with McCord, I'll take Ohio State plus three and a half. I honestly don't know. After we get done taking our bets and picking our bets, here I'll we'll talk about outright wins. But with these points, with the three and a half, it's going to be a close game. These numbers are very, very close. It could just come down to a field goal in overtime. Give me Ohio State three and a half, kurt. What do you think?
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, I'll, I'll give, um, I'll give the formula for how state wins this game um Bending, not breaking on defense.
Speaker 3:You got a whole michigan to threes in the red zone and I believe Ohio State can possibly use Maryland's Game plan last week as far as getting the ball out quick, trying to negate that pass rush. And that's how we got worked by tulle's little brother last week. He got the ball out quick to his receivers, he played a great game and our defense got worked. We got, we definitely got tested last week and um Came down to the very last drive and um the defense just had a couple. I mean they had a fumble, six and Mike Sanders still had two interceptions. So the formula for how state is going to be, I think, keeping balance on offense. You cannot have any record turnovers. I tell you that right now.
Speaker 3:No and um keeping keeping the ball on the ground, converting first downs, getting the third manageable and um keeping our offense on the sidelines. But if you get in the third long and you let michigan's pass rush get going, I don't know, um, but I think you got to utilize that quick passing game with Harrison and iboka I think it's like his last name and um Somewhat. Keep balance, because the past couple of years the house state did not stay till a running game. They, they were so obsessed with using all these skilled weapon players with the Marvin Harrison's, the Garrett Wilson's, the chrysalaves and um, I think you got to keep some kind of balance here to keep Michigan on their toes. But you can't go past heavy. You cannot. So you know, and like I said, bending, not breaking on defense can't allow sixes and you need you need to turn over a two out of JJ. That's a house states formula here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if I, if I can burr plays like a man on fire, it can happen if they. They press room enough. Hunter, how does we heard how? What do you think, hunter? How does Ohio State win this game? We heard how you said Michigan is going to win this, but what do you think about Ohio State?
Speaker 4:So I think it starts with Henderson, it starts with them moving the ball consistently. I think that correct it right in the head that if, if missy is able to get them to third or longer and pin their ears back and send some heat, I think that's when you see McCord at least miss throws, that he should hit, if not make, those air turnovers, because Michigan has done a lot this this year that they will send a lot of pressure on third and long and for the most part it's worked for him. I think that, um, going to Kurt's point on Maryland, I think I'll take the at least a more optimistic approach. I think this could have been a blessing in disguise from our old offensive coordinator, john Scatis, who's there now. I think that he might have. Maybe he knew something on film or maybe he saw something. I just think the point is we knew From what we've seen before that a holiday was gonna. They can go quick and they've done. They've done that effectively when they've done it.
Speaker 4:I think that this could have been Gaddis maybe pointing that out more to Michigan and giving them something more to hone in on. I think it could be. It could be something we're looking at and we're saying, well, that's why missing and lost. Or I think it could be saying, hey, look how they improved off that from last week and that's how they win the game.
Speaker 4:But I think that it obviously it starts with Henderson for me, and moving the ball to stay out of those third and longs and, you know, to be able to not have to throw deep passes, because I think that's where Ohio State's offensive fighting success is this short, quick passing and then running the ball, and then if they can get Michigan's defense to try to come to defend that, that's when you would see Marvin Harrison or imbuka over the top. And so I think that that's why I said earlier I said this this game is pretty straightforward. I think that obviously that's the case for Ohio State, and then you know the same thing for missy, and they don't do well when they're backed up or in third down, really, especially JJ looking questionable, at least these last couple weeks. So I think that missy and same thing, it's using the running backs effectively, it's staying in front of the markers and it's it's really keeping this game as simple and not messy for your quarterback, um quarterback, to have shown that they can be inconsistent at times.
Speaker 2:All right. So, betting, betting wise, let's go betting, as are you guys all, on michigan brand. What do you think, as far as betting goes, if, if, if, if, uh, ohio State's getting three and a half, so michigan would have to win, say 21 to 17, in order for michigan to win the bet? Um, do you think it's that? Do you think it's that off, or do you think, uh, it's going to be closer than that?
Speaker 5:I, I think it's. I think it's uh probably right on, because, I mean, I do think that it's going to be uh, a touchdown game. To be honest with you, Um, I don't think, you know, historically speaking, uh, it's usually, you know, never decided by a field bowl or it never comes down to anything like that. Um, there's not even much history of this thing going to overtime that often. So I mean, usually it's always a splash play that uh ends up. But, you know, turning the tide for one team or the other and I mean, like the last two years, you know it's been enormous splash plays against the the buck guys. So, um, I think you know the the trend's going to be going the same way and I think, uh, either way you bet it, you know like, especially if you bet for michigan, you know it's, it's probably going to go in that favor.
Speaker 2:All right, so what do you think? You take an Ohio State with the three points, then, or what? What is your final decision for this? Let's see what. What is what? What? Who wins this game on saturday?
Speaker 5:Well, I mean I gotta go with Ohio State. You know that's hands down. I mean, you know, call it uh, you know bias or whatever you want to call it, but, um, you know, I would have to give it to the buck guys just based on how they played on the road. Um, I think, if, as long as we keep uh jj in the pocket for the most part, you know, and I use his legs to extend plays I mean I think that that's another huge factor, that, um, you know that that we cannot screw up. So I, I mean I do have to take Ohio State if the and they've done a good job of keeping quarterbacks in pocket.
Speaker 2:All right, it's good. It's good. There we go. All right, now we're gonna move over to hunter, hunter. Final thoughts on this game Bet wise, give me your bet and then give me your outright.
Speaker 4:So I think, if the lines at three and a half, I think I'd probably play the plus money because I feel like it's either if, if it's at three and a half, because at three and a half you're getting more, like you're you're keeping the field going play where, if I would play Michigan minus three, and they wouldn't buy a field go to push. So I think that to have the points in your back pocket would be smart, um, but outright, outright. I'm going Michigan. You know they got it done the last two years despite the odds. I think that, um, it's a healthy game and now the odds aren't exactly injuries. It's everything else that Michigan has had to face lately with, uh, all the bullshit with the NCAA and all that. So I think that, um, I don't know, I just think that these, these guys find a way to band together and, against all odds, to get it done again. I'll take Michigan outright.
Speaker 2:All right, now the man who's just been laughing this entire time at all these people. What do you think hurt? Give me your bet and then give me your outright.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, I'm definitely taking Michigan minus three and a half. Um, it's hard for me not to see them winning with the minus four at least. So that's, I think they covered that, and, um, I like Michigan out right here. Um, though I am, I am very concerned with this passing offense in the past few weeks. If we don't have anything of a passing game. You cannot, just you can't, just you can't run the ball every time you can't do it how it stays. Defense isn't good. They're not. This isn't penn state, this isn't Maryland.
Speaker 2:So no, that's the beauty of this right for both of them. Like you can't you, you can't take these. Like you can't take either team for being.
Speaker 3:You know, this is the top, this is the cream of the crop here and um, I just I'm going Michigan outright. I have to. I I've stick one like guns. I said at the beginning of the year I'm not gonna back off. Now, though, I, I, I'll give you guys my bet a little bit ago, um, as far as outright goes, I know in college football could be different.
Speaker 2:I don't know exactly how it is. Um, as far as hardball getting suspended, is that um? How does that affect the team? Is he allowed to have any communication with the team at all before game? Or, you know, during game, like I know, he's not allowed to have any communication with the team at all Before game or, you know, during game, like I know, he's not allowed to be on the field, but is he allowed to?
Speaker 4:like he's allowed to do everything besides coach the game on saturday.
Speaker 2:Okay, so he can be on. He can be on my man's phone in his ear. Just be like hey, have to have, have your. Have your uh apple air pod underneath your headphones there and Brandon, I see you making I see you making some faces.
Speaker 4:What do you think about that ncw ruling? Because I couldn't believe it myself. I honestly, I couldn't either just just suspended like that, and then Just suspended like that, and then be like but you can do this, this, this, this and this, just not this.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and that that's it right there.
Speaker 4:I thought it made no sense. I thought it made no sense.
Speaker 5:No, the the whole part, that he could basically be like on a zoom call, like on a tripod, like going up and down the field, basically you know like on a monitor, and I'm like I mean he might as well be there. You know like what's the point of this? You know like literally, you know like just see a heart ball on a tv screen going back and forth down the sideline, michigan sideline, I mean that's basically what they're saying I'm not.
Speaker 2:You're gonna see an assistant coach with a selfie stick, is you know?
Speaker 5:just a selfie stick, right? Oh my god, yeah. So I mean I truly believe, like, like they just should have just let this go, like just let him be there, you know, figure the whole thing out, you know, and rule on it in the off season or something, because I mean, obviously there's a whole lot to iron out the details. So why it's just another case of the nc Double-a, you know, completely screwing up the whole situation.
Speaker 4:Yes, you get sexual allegations on another coach.
Speaker 2:And he's allowed to freaking practice, he's allowed to be in games and stuff for half of a season but oh, our ball stealing signs. We gotta get him out there.
Speaker 5:now we're getting out of there now.
Speaker 4:We gotta crack down on this just the quickness of that ruling, you could just tell it was gonna be bad. Yeah just how quick. They came out with everything. You knew it was gonna be a crap ruling either way. However, they did it.
Speaker 5:Oh, yeah, yeah, I agree so with with.
Speaker 2:With that said, I I don't know if it's a distraction to the team, but it probably doesn't help. You know, I'm just trying to think of just things, so it doesn't help. But the thing is is like it kind of evens out, because Ryan day doesn't show up in big moments either. So I hate to say it.
Speaker 4:I don't know, brandon, can you agree? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on Brandon I have to ask you, I have to ask you, if Ohio State were to lose this game. Yeah does Ryan day get fired?
Speaker 2:It depends on what he does in the playoffs, if they get the playoffs because right now, even if Ohio State loses, they're projecting them to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 5:Right, right, yeah, I think that they're not gonna fire the head coach you know being like, because, like I said earlier there, they want them to be in that top four. Still, they're not gonna fire Ryan day, just the same way they didn't high fire our ball Over in Michigan when he was losing to Ohio State.
Speaker 4:So you, don't think that that the reason, just that turning the Tide won't affect the fans, to maybe push the school over the edge a little bit.
Speaker 5:I mean that's always a factor, I mean these two schools. It's always a factor to push them out of there. Because, you know, I mean I would say that Ohio State in Michigan has one of the biggest fan bases in the country, to be honest with you, because I mean, yeah, and pass it, and, and, and pass it, that's for sure.
Speaker 5:Exactly. I mean it's it's a historic rivalry and I mean I remember meeting people in California when I was out there, you know, during the game, the game, and you know they, they were just as passionate as we are.
Speaker 4:So Finding people to talk about it still all the way out there. Huh, yeah, that's what. That's what I think it's so crazy about it and why I mean even not even being a Michigan fan, but just why, from an outside perspective, you can't even call any rivalry even close, because no literally from from one end of the. Us to the other like you you could. You'll find somebody in Michigan here or Ohio State here you can. You'll strike up a conversation, and you just don't see that Everywhere. Like you do with either the schools.
Speaker 5:I totally agree with that. Oh, I don't think they fire him. I honestly depend.
Speaker 2:I think it depends on performance like if he took, because I think last year Ryan Day choked the game away the place. Play calling is a lot of the reason why Ohio State lost that game. His play calling is a lot of the reason. Please, I I.
Speaker 4:I, I, I, you still call place?
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 5:I don't know the brand you might know, I don't Maybe like like a 50 50, but most majority yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, and I think that's why they lost to Georgia as well. His play calling was subpar. So I it's all gonna depend on how that goes, because it wouldn't be necessarily firing him because, hey, you lost to Michigan. It's, it's how you do it, right. It's like if you lose in a tight, close game but you called an immaculate game and there's just, it was just a matter of Michigan had the ball last, that's. There's nothing Ryan day can do about that, right. So that's that's what I would. I would think so with, with, with Harbaugh being a distraction a little bit, and I think with. I think this is where McCord and Marvin Harrison are peaking. They're peaking, they're. They keep getting better and better with each game. They that chemistry is building and stuff like that, and and so you got Harrison lighten it up, and then, and Bucca, where's that? Say's a name his name.
Speaker 2:I Just I I Haven't Seen Michigan's defense did well with Maryland but it was still really close and I don't know if they can handle and Bucca and Harrison and Henderson. If there wasn't a Harrison on the field on Saturday, Heavy edge to Michigan, but yep.
Speaker 4:It's just I agree with that for sure Harrison single-handedly almost brings that the entire edge back, or the edge factor to Ohio State, because I think it'd be really one-dimensional, a simple Game plan for Michigan if you didn't have to account for Henderson and Harrison Accounting for both. How do you stack the box and play coverage?
Speaker 2:Can't do it, so you have to pick one and if I'm a defensive coordinator, I I got a double, double, triple, harris Harrison, and trust that my front four can Send, can stop Anderson.
Speaker 4:Especially with how good Michigan's because that's where their front has been good or the best in the defense has been Michigan's front that's. I think that the that the game plan will be is we got to take care of it, and if a running back gas is us, then we live with the cops.
Speaker 4:Ohio State's offensive line is gonna be the best offensive line that they played all season, so I don't know if I can say that, though, because Penn State has been rivaling for Offensive line of the year, and that's, that's not even just me, that's uh, yeah, I guess saying that that quarterback makes it look worse though.
Speaker 2:So so yeah, I don't know. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Ohio State. I think I think revenge Michigan not having a coach and the fact that they had theirs. I know we got a guard. I know that Ohio State has to deal with Blake Corum, but that's kind of almost it. You kind of got to stop that run game. The receivers are okay, but they're not Marvis and Harrison and they're not in Bucca. So it may turn into a game where Michigan's got to go punch for punch with Ohio State and I don't know if they can do that without a coach and and we'll see.
Speaker 2:But I'm gonna go Ohio State on this Saturday by very close game. I know some of you got a couple you got. I know Brandon said maybe seven points and Kurt said Michigan may win handily. I think this is a very close game. I think the rivalry it's always been there.
Speaker 2:But like there have been some games where I'm gonna be honest, as an Ohio State fan over the last 15 years I really didn't sweat the Michigan game. There's a couple times where I was like like the JK Dobbins game, like where there was like what triple or quadruple over time that year, but, like when you guys had Denard, I never, I never, was afraid of denared Robinson. I was like this is gonna be Right, and I don't mean that any disrespect towards that. There was just a long Time. We're like, yeah, we're. I'm like, oh, we play Michigan, okay, like it'd be alright, it'll be a rivalry game, but we'll pull it out, man, this one it's gonna be, it's gonna be a dog fight and it's gonna be fun. I see that was, that was harmless, right. You too, oh, come on.
Speaker 5:I'm sure we could get around for a while you got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 5:Yes, I got a little bit, I get a little bit of time.
Speaker 2:All right. So let me ask you this then since it's your team, you're a big Dallas fan. It's a Washington plus 10 and a half. I want to just get your opinion on it real quick. It is does Dallas cover that? Do they? Do they score 11, 11 or plus points? Because I know Washington occasionally likes to give you guys fits.
Speaker 5:Yeah, like from everything I'm hearing now. You know I Definitely think that they're gonna cover that. I'm hearing that McClaren, he's the extremely unhappy with the game planning over there, despite howl just leading the league in In passing yards and and little things like that, you know he's still not protecting the ball that well. You know Washington's, you know just selling away pieces of that defense so there and Plays a huge factor that we don't have to worry about that defensive line as much. So I guess it's all dependent on, you know, like Dax showing that he can use his legs again and you know that he's comfortable, despite having a right tackle right now that obviously doesn't have his legs under him. So that that's definitely a problem.
Speaker 5:But Dak is navigated around it and I think with the way CD Lamb is playing right now, like he can at any time just take that ball and I mean he can he can travel at least like 15, 20 yards down the field if, if they let him. And I just I don't fear Washington's defense nearly as badly and I think Tony Pollard's starting to finally get his legs under him as well. He's he still doesn't look as quick as he should be, but you know, I mean after having the devastating injury like he did. I mean it makes sense so. But I mean I feel good about the points and Dallas covering.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me ask you this, because I ice threw this question out to Hunter and Kurt Is you know cuz you'll have a you'll have a hard opinion on it? Is Philadelphia the best team right now in the NFL?
Speaker 5:Like by a very thin margin. I think the way that they're winning, okay, it's very, it's very interesting. Like the way that they're winning is like I Don't know. I turn my head some days and I'm like like last night, like you know, in that that chiefs game, you know I went to bed thinking, you know, because I didn't watch the second half. But you know I went to bed thing, okay, my home's is probably gonna hang at least like two more touchdowns on them. You know he's gonna keep it interesting. They're at, you know, home, so this shouldn't be a problem for my homes and the chiefs.
Speaker 5:And then when I wake up and see that they had literally almost no Offensive production, you know it shows that that defensive line is legit. You know that they can contain Any quarterback in the league. I Think that that's, you know, the deciding factor and how the Eagles are winning right now. Because I mean, even Jalen hurts. You know he hasn't played like horribly, but you know he's just kind of hanging around in there and you know, whenever he has an open Devontae, smith or AJ Brown, I mean he, you know they take it up the field, run the ball with Jalen or Swift and and that's, that's really how they're scoring points.
Speaker 5:And I mean Cuz, even AJ has shown that. You know, if you double cover him he can be contained. But you know, that's. That's one of the things it's like okay, are you gonna get beat by AJ or are you gonna get beat by that running game? So I think that they're figuring out ways to win by the smallest of margins, and you know Winning's winning, so I have to give it to them. Yeah, they probably are the best team in the league right now.
Speaker 2:That is probably the best answer, even from any fan, because these guys told me no, these guys said they're not the best team in the league, and I get a lot of that from people and I could see why people would think that. But then I asked, I asked a question if not them, then who? And why? Right? And so they like, they said Baltimore. And I said well, lamar Jackson is better than Hertz. Well, hertz has more rushing touchdowns, maybe I have more picks, but you know AJ Brown has 1500 yards and in week 11, so you know that's coming from Jalen Hertz and stuff like that. But anyway, just stuff like that, and I get that from a lot of other fans throughout the NFL. If not the Eagles, then who? And then tell me why, because I can tell you, other than a 901 record, I can point out stats and stuff like this. It was very interesting that it came from a Dallas fan that actually said yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's gonna be a cool division Like the. I think I don't know If, if Philly can get out of this gauntlet, philly might just take the division by default, because after this little bit of a gauntlet, the Eagles got the Giants twice in Arizona. So, depending on what this is, if and especially if this, I know that I think the hardest team on your guys schedule left is Seattle, correct?
Speaker 5:Oh no, we got Detroit we have Seattle they got a. Miami. We have Miami in Buffalo and or, I'm sorry. Okay and then we've got one other other Eagles, of course. So we got Eagles again sandwiched in all those games. All those games sandwiched in between the commander.
Speaker 2:So Okay, and the commanders give you guys fit, so that's interesting, but uh, time, we're gonna move through some. I was. I just wanted to hit you with that question because I had them with them With that. I had the same. I hit them with the same question, so it was quite interesting. But yeah, usually what we do is we do like our favorite teams and local teams in primetime and we hit through half of them. So we're actually on Cleveland and the Denver game because they're local, so we like to talk about them, because a lot of our listeners are our local, and Cleveland is a plus two and a half underdog against the Denver Broncos, who are on a roll. The Denver looks like they're putting it together, so is it? Do they come back down to what they used to be or are they progressing and this is who they're going to be? So what is your guys opinion of that? Kurt?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, um, denver, like you said, has been like a five game winning streak. Cleveland with a um. I went last week game winning fuel goal, um, so I got the job done. Rookie quarterback Um, this is going to be a very defensive, low scoring game. Since, uh, denver got shredded by Miami, they over the past five weeks They've been quietly one of the best defenses. I don't expect a lot of points here, but I'm going to roll with Cleveland plus two and a half. Russell Wilson has actually been surprisingly playing well, but they've won a lot of these games with some magic and just very close.
Speaker 3:I think this is probably a close some action, but I'm yeah, I'm definitely gonna roll with Cleveland plus two and a half. I I don't know if they, I don't know who wins this game, but I like Cleveland with the two and a half for sure.
Speaker 2:Hunter. What do you think, man?
Speaker 4:I'm looking for oh it's in. Denver, that's, uh, that's interesting. That's what I said.
Speaker 4:Well, cleveland, I saw that, but I saw Cleveland is only. They only got one loss from home, so that would have changed my answer. But I think, uh, I don't. Dtr hasn't thrown a touchdown pass yet. That's uh interesting. I know you just got the starting job, but he played early in the season and from not to have a touchdown pass, crazy. But Denver's playing well, russell's really turned it back on 19 and four is pretty damn good for what I thought we were gonna get out of him. Um, but I'm gonna go Denver. I'll go Denver minus two and a half.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, and I'm also two and a half with Cleveland, with Kurt, um, I, I don't know until Denver can keep proving it to me that you know that that Cleveland defense is gonna be nasty for Russell, russell Wilson. So we'll see what happens there. Brandon, what's your opinion? Our thoughts on the Cleveland ever game.
Speaker 5:Super tight. I mean that game is gonna be like thin. I mean it could go anyway, so it's definitely gonna, I think, come down to a field goal, like a lot of Cleveland's games have, I think, the biggest thing being it Can Cleveland put it together on offense enough to, you know, get past that defense? I mean, I, I Don't have much confidence in either offense, but I mean I guess Russ head, like you said, has been Slowly starting to figure it out. For with that offense, I'd, so I would probably say, in that game, because Broncos are at home there, right, yes, yeah, okay. So yeah, being that it's at home, I'd probably take the Broncos, you know, to take the win. So, yeah, that's what, that's what I would say, but it would it's gonna come down to a field goal.
Speaker 2:Alright, real quick to Brandon, because I don't know how long you got, but I wanted because it's local to what do you think about the Detroit the Green Bay? Because that's also the same day as your Thanksgiving game and it's a Seven and a half point or, yeah, seven and a half point line against Green Bay and it hunter brought up an extra same point. Detroit has now how long has it been since they've won a game on Thanksgiving 2016? Wow.
Speaker 3:Seven L straight right, I.
Speaker 5:Did not know that I.
Speaker 5:I, I mean, obviously I'm gonna lean towards the favorite, but I don't know if they cover, just because, based on their last performance against the Bears, like that was a little surprising to me that they could be so inconsistent at times. But yet you know they, they they're kind of winning at times, like the Eagles are there, they're just figuring out a way to win. So you know, in the NFL it's any given Sunday, so I mean, at any point the team that's, you know, with one win, can come out and becha. So I would have to say that you know, detroit Probably doesn't cover in that game, but I mean, yeah, I like the Lions in the game to break that streak.
Speaker 4:Okay, I think all time on Thanksgiving of the Lions six and 17.
Speaker 2:That's what those are. Some. Those are some bad line teams in there and this is a really good line scene, like you said. As far as winning goes, the Lions are gonna win this game by eight points. I don't, I don't think so. I think I think Green Bay will come a little harder. It's getting towards the end of the year and you know they want to kind of try to prove something, save some jobs. We're getting to that mid. You know that late mid to late end of the season here. So yeah, that's, there's nothing gonna be that, but we're gonna. We got a couple more games. So New Orleans Hunters team is at Atlanta. They're a one and a half point underdog. I don't know why. I know Atlanta's kind of tough at home a little bit because they're they're winning really weird close games against bad teams. But I still think that New Orleans has more weapons. So I'm taking New Orleans plus one and a half.
Speaker 4:It's famous plane. Anybody know he famous plane?
Speaker 3:I don't know if there's a plane. I don't know if there cars play. I don't think he is.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:Thank God.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Give me famous famous, but I mean between, between Kamara and his running.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know, james Wilson looks like Derek, ours deal with the concussion.
Speaker 4:No, thank God what do, you do. Not playing for the.
Speaker 2:Thomas is always.
Speaker 3:I'm not a defender, I'm not anyone's side, this one. But.
Speaker 2:Because he played for Ohio State. I don't know what does that mean?
Speaker 5:I thought. I just don't think he's happy in New Orleans and, to be honest with you, why I? Guess New Orleans is really sticking it to him that that's the only thing I come up with he's. I mean, I don't understand how you light up the league. Yeah, you light up the league one year and then, yeah, I mean, you just have three years of mediocrity and and just you know, I can't play today.
Speaker 4:Man right right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's missing Drew Brees, that's for sure. So I recon. What are we thinking, kurt? Oh?
Speaker 3:Man this is this is weird, man. These are two very inconsistent teams, week to week, I don't know, yeah, they are, yeah, they are. I don't know what to expect with either team. It looks like this is yeah, this is the first time they're playing this year, so they haven't played yet. I Don't know what to make of James Winston versus Taylor Heineke. I'm probably gonna go Falcons plus one and a half Because I don't know what to think with the Saints, but it's a weird one. This is a weird one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is this is how I feel about the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati. I feel the. I feel the same way.
Speaker 3:Then I'm gonna go with the Saints plus one and a half, because I feel like You're more likely that way, rather than the Falcons definitely winning by at least two. So I'll go with the Saints, okay.
Speaker 2:I'm Brandon. What do you think?
Speaker 5:I have to say I mean this if Atlanta would actually get their S I, h I T together and use Bijon the way that he's supposed to be used and use Cal pits the way he's supposed to be.
Speaker 4:Pits a crime.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Carries in the red zone that is.
Speaker 5:I'm a frustrated B John Robinson owner and fantasy.
Speaker 5:Yes, yes, exactly how in the world this guy has between like 12 and and 13 touches most games is beyond me. Like he's getting, he's getting production or volume, like a, a second running back would and there's nobody else that can even touch him. And I mean he's just such, so, such a dynamic player, a first-rounder, you need to get him the ball. I mean they would. They would be probably in the conversation for one of the higher seats right now if they just Got him and pits the ball, even London. So I mean, based on all that, I would have to say that Ritter's probably gonna screw it up and the Saints will probably cover easily. Oh, I'm sorry. So I'm gonna say that yeah, yeah, I take the Saints plus one definitely.
Speaker 3:And they're both. They're both coming off of a bi-week, last week too, so who knows?
Speaker 2:now. And don't forget, like this league is, this league is Crazy. And we hit. We hit two pushes last week because of one point. So yeah, this is. It's very likely it could be come down to that, for sure, let's. So the next one, the 425, the 425 game we got coming up, um, is it? Is it? Is it Jack Allen or is it Josh Allen that's coming into Philadelphia next week at 425. Philadelphia is a standard home handicap at three and a half right now.
Speaker 2:I've been telling you guys all season at the beginning of the season I don't fear Buffalo. I never feared Buffalo because we've owned Buffalo the last few years. And you know Patrick Mahomes gonna escape the Eagles D line. You think you think Jack Allen is gonna do it. I don't think so. There's only one weapon that the Eagles have to worry about on that field and that's digs. I don't. I maybe Josh Allen runs a little bit, but I'm not afraid of a mobile quarterback. We didn't have a hard time with to a. I mean, pat Mahomes did a thing, but he's fucking Pat Mahomes, so you know.
Speaker 3:Take that play. He may be a stiff-drawn flutter coxed on the side. I was like, what do you do there?
Speaker 2:I don't know how you, yeah, what do you do there, man? I was like that's just.
Speaker 3:That's that's just my homes, man, oh.
Speaker 2:I would buy, I would honestly buy points here. I'm just gonna straight up give my opinion here. I'm not, I'm not, I. I think Buffalo is Is on a downtrend. I know that they just switched their OC. That's gonna cause some chaos. I, I know Josh Allen performed a little bit better, but that was against a division opponent. Was the Jets last week? Right, yeah, right who? They play less, yep, yeah. So division opponent who? And it's a not a very good good quarterback there that Buffalo's got to worry about, and they their safety down. I give me the Eagles at least minus five.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would definitely. I'm definitely gonna take Philly minus three and a half here. They're at home. Josh down had a great game last week. Buffalo honesty displayed probably their best game they play in a hot minute. To be honest with you, I Still just don't. I Don't like how they just rely so much on Josh. They just Don't. Kink a's been coming alive a little bit, so that's kind of their second guy they go to. But their offensive line isn't ready for Philly's pass rush and Too many injuries on Buffalo's defense. So I will.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry I was gonna mention this. I was gonna mention one quick thing the. This is the second game that the Eagle this is the only game the Eagles have are going to play where they started the same defensive backfield. Every other year has been nine different defensive backfields up until this point, so this is the first time that they're starting the same backfield that they did the week prior weeks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's hard to build any. So many communication errors and miscommunications after when you're out together, so that'll probably start to clean up. But um, yeah, I like Philadelphia with minus three and a half. I don't know. Josh has a clean game, like last week, where he's not pressed into Turnovers, but this week I I would expect that to change. I think we'll probably give him at least one, maybe two right, and even even with Buffalo's defense.
Speaker 2:I mean Garrett Wilson and Breeze Hall, and on Philadelphia side you got DeAndre Swift, you got Devontae Smith, you got Um AJ Brown, all at home. You know it's, it's infilly. If it was infilly, I want to say plus five if it was in Buffalo, but it's infilly. I got, I got no qualms. And it's, and it's Kelly, it's Kelly Green night last. Remember the see I was, I was beating my chest the last time. It was Kelly Green. Remember, yeah, it was Kelly Green night. Remember the Dolphins? I said by seven and I was yes, I'm going by five. At least here Buffalo's got a little bit better of a defense than Miami did at the time. So what do you think, hunter?
Speaker 4:Yep, I'm gonna stay you guys away. Philly minus three and a half. I just feel like I know they're home and it should be a standard line, but just how the build are playing, I just I have no faith in them. And then Josh or Jack or whatever you want to call him, it's gonna have to do a lot more than look half decent against the division rival to Give me back on his squad or on his wagon. So I think that at three and a half that's good value and I just I can't put my stock in the bill right now I'll take the Eagles, so you gotta get you guys, gotta you guys.
Speaker 2:Before we get to Brandon, you gotta tell him why we change his name, why, why Josh Allen is Jack Allen and went from Joe. It went from Josh Allen to Joe Allen, to Jack Allen.
Speaker 4:He just he turns the ball over more than anybody and I think I mean I'll be the first one to say that that press got got so much flack for all his interceptions. And then Thank you.
Speaker 3:And we Because of the talent and top three, top four quarterback talent, but the fact remained that he has the most turnover since he's entered the league. Whether it be interceptions, bubbles, whatever he just every game he gives it away mm-hmm. And so we take, we change his name, the Joe Allen in memory of Joe Flacco. And then I went to a mixture of Jack and Dak because the whole turnover thing, but now it's just Alan.
Speaker 2:Pretty soon it's gonna be that guy in Buffalo. So what do you think about this game, brandon I?
Speaker 5:Mean, honestly, I'm kind of surprised that the you know the lines not a bit higher in favor of the Eagles being at home and the fact that Buffalo is so inconsistent. I mean I guess they kind of showed some life last week but, like you were saying, it's a division rival and I mean they've had plenty of opportunities to figure out the Jets defense so they were out able to manage out the win. But yeah, I mean the Eagles, that defensive line is gonna just eat into Josh Allen and it's gonna cause many turnovers. I mean I'm at least two, so I mean maybe, yeah, maybe like 14, who knows, maybe. I say probably, the safe bet is probably 10.
Speaker 2:All right I.
Speaker 5:Mean I'm. I'm just saying I have that much faith in what they've been doing lately and I don't have any faith in Buffalo. Listen.
Speaker 2:I Think the only reason why my number isn't high is because they did go to Kansas City and that was still a hard-fought game like it's like I'm not, it's not like going to Seattle and then coming back, but still it was like they got. I don't care what you say, I don't care what anybody says or what the players say. Both teams wanted to win that game. They wanted to win that game. I and I can tell, because Jalen hurts after the game had the most emotion I've ever heard out of them after a game. You just hear it in his voice. So there's a lot of energy expelled, a lot of excitement and they ended up winning.
Speaker 2:But then again, I've been wrong about this team all season. I'm like you know, I think that they're gonna win by, except for Miami. I mean, I've covered all, I picked them a lot, but it's just like you said. They win in weird ways and I made the comparison like Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City cheese were like Muhammad Ali, like they're smooth, they're artistic, they're really a fluid. And I said the Philly came in and won that game like their Joe Frazier, unorthodox and Messy and different and you know, just weird. So and that's how they're gonna. That's, that's how they're gonna win games this year.
Speaker 2:So they could really win by 10 points. I mean it's it's not a prime-time game, but it's a nice 425 game with the Kelly Green Jersey. So the fans are gonna be amped up and well lubricated and and given the bills, the business. All right, we're gonna head. We're gonna head over to Kurtz division and Baltimore is a three and a half point favorite against the LA Chargers. The LA Chargers stink on defense and I think the Baltimore defense is really good and probably I mean they can I'm pretty sure they can handle the Chargers and whatever they throw at them. So I'm taking Baltimore with a three and a half points.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll be real curious to see how this passing offense would look if they needed to throw the ball, but I expect this to be a heavy run game for Baltimore. The Chargers defense isn't very good. Clue max, really the only guy they have there in that front line, because Joey Boza, I think, suffered a major injury on Sunday, so that's a big loss for them. I'm gonna ride a ball where minus three and a half and and their defense is right up there with one of the least best as well, so Herbert is gonna have his work cut out for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and he's probably playing with some Injury that we don't know about. He's got broken fingers, broken toes, broken femur, probably To. He said dude man, man gets beat up. What do you think, hunter?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean I don't know, baltimore, they could be kind of reeling without Mark Andrews. I think we'll really get to see how Lamar looks. It's a good test against the Chargers, who obviously doesn't mention not the best defense, I don't know. I feel like maybe this could Be a bounce back for the Chargers. But I'll take the Ravens minus two and a half.
Speaker 2:But don't you bounce back at this point. If I'm the Chargers, don't you tank.
Speaker 4:And and maybe you get that Marvin Harrison to add, because you probably start thinking about it, especially because you know that team's not competing with any of the best right now on either side of the conference. So it's like you really got to think like they're gonna be a Eight or seven, seven to nine win team, maybe barely makes make the play on, maybe barely miss, and then you're still in that same cycle of picking around 15 and not really getting too much better, just adding Different pieces that you really just keep missing on, as when they picked in that middle of the first round. And I think they could really benefit from a top pick, especially if you could add Marvin Harrison to that offense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if Keenan Allen stays, but we got it. We can't. We got to remember he's getting up there now, keenan Allen.
Speaker 4:He's still putting out some nice production but he's gotta be bought Finally 11ish years yeah.
Speaker 2:And it like half of the. But see, he's lucky, cuz half of that he was hurt, like he was always hurt when he played with Phillip Rivers, so he probably like got a lot of resting on his body, so that's probably why he's able to produce still so much for a receiver. Yeah, brandon, brandon, what do you think about this game?
Speaker 5:Honestly, I believe you know it's gonna be close. But the thing that's the big thing, the Chargers find ways to lose games and and that's been their whole story the entire season. Like Herbert could be great, he could be wonderful, keenan Allen, I mean, all those guys ballin out and they have so many weapons and offense and defense, but yet I've Firmly believe that it's a coaching issue. And Brandon Staley, that's a guy that I Just don't know if he's the right guy to leave that organization. Yeah, I think it's coming. It only takes a couple more losses than I think he's the Brian Kelly of the NFL.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, it does seem that way, doesn't it? But yeah, I gotta, I gotta go with the Ravens. They're the better team.
Speaker 3:How you keep him after our 27th three-blown lead is beyond me.
Speaker 2:They're not. There's no way. If they don't, if they win one more game, he's fired. If he's got at least all he's got, at least win six games to like save his job. Yeah, at least. Speaking of saving jobs, yeah, speaking of saving jobs, well, we're gonna head over to Justin Fields of Chicago going into Minnesota, who played a very close game, oh, the other night. Josh jobs looks like he's gonna feeling decently for for Kirk Cousins, especially when Jefferson comes back. I think we talked about it a little bit. Just, jefferson is probably not gonna come back until after the bye week. Minnesota is a three and a half point favorite at home against the Chicago Bears and I got Minnesota covering the three and a half. I know I took Josh Daws, but last week, but they were away last week. Right, were they home or were they?
Speaker 3:They were on the road.
Speaker 2:Yes, they were the right, and so I give them the benefit of the doubt at home and I give them the three and a half points. I mean they only lost by one to two a Climbing, climbing the Mountain, denver team.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I don't. I don't like nothing about Chicago. I don't think that defense is worth much anything. And I mean people have been starting to bass Justin Fields. I can kind of see it, but I just don't think that they have enough Pieces or a real, genuine offense to say man, justin Fields is so terrible. I don't think he looked the best and I'm certainly not mad at Bears fans burning his dirty already because that was just comical. But I Think that that team's just not good. And Minnesota, where I thought they would fall off without Kirk Cousins, they picked up Dobbin, really just kept the trend moving. I don't know how well that that will succeed, but I think against the Bears and a regular line, I'll take the Vikings minus three and a half.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go the opposite way here. I'm gonna go Chicago plus three and a half. Well, they win the game. No, but for me this is just how it's been with the past month. Man, all these close games, it's a division game. A lot of familiarity here. Fields come back definitely helps them. I'm probably gonna go, I'm going to Chicago plus three and a half, but they won't win. Well, like, like I just mentioned, all these games have been so close the past month. I think this is just one of those weird games.
Speaker 2:And what do you think Brandon, josh Dobbs or Justin Fields? I mean, I like my guy Justin Fields.
Speaker 5:I don't think they're protecting them over there very much. I think that's why his performance is so lackluster. And Evan DJ Moore as a chess piece over there, I mean that's that should be huge. But I mean, when you can't protect your quarterback, I mean it's just a recipe for disaster. I like Dobbs. I like how he's been moving around the league and doing this thing. I like what he's got over there. I mean he's obviously not gonna have Justin Jefferson back, but Addison's been producing that running mate running game is starting to come along and Hocketson's a beast. So I would say I take Minnesota for sure. Thanksgivings in a couple days and Obviously.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys For hanging in for the podcast, the last this whole football season. Appreciate it and you know I'll be seeing you at dinner. Kurt Right, you guys, are, you guys, a turkey?
Speaker 3:Big turkey guys.
Speaker 2:Yes or no. Not a big turkey guy, but I like meat.
Speaker 3:So, yes, I'll take a little bit. I'll take a little bit of the turkey, that's it.
Speaker 2:I'm a big I'm a big, um, I'm a, yeah, I'm a big sweet potato casserole. Ham, ham over turkey though.
Speaker 4:Yep ham over turkey. 100 more flavor honey ham.
Speaker 3:Come on, honey ham over dry bland turkey Right, even if they make it a turkey sandwich.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so Brandon, just hit me up.
Speaker 2:He said hey he said thank you guys for letting him hang on. It was fun hanging out with you guys. So he says uh, you know, thanks for having me Not giving him too hard of a time on the podcast, so I just wanted to want to relay that to you. Yeah, you let him know. It was a good time talking to him and I think he's uh.
Speaker 4:He's one of the. He's one of the decent ones over there. So, yeah, maybe he's just behaving himself. We don't really know right, but you know maybe, maybe that's true, maybe he's obnoxious.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, uh, I definitely but yeah, no, I got what I was saying. I enjoyed the pumpkin pie and I enjoyed the sweet potato casserole and if you enjoyed this episode, Wow, you just got a little bit of a shock.
Speaker 2:Wow, you just stepped on my outro, bro.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's do this. So. So I like my sweet potato pie and I like my pumpkin pie and if you like this episode of the shekel up podcast, please go like and subscribe and go download the episodes on apple music. We appreciate that very much and we appreciate the reviews. I read them. There are some not so nice ones on there and some very nice ones on there, so we appreciate it.
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