Learning the hard way

Ever wonder how a quarterback shakeup affects a team's bowl game chances? Strap in as we take you from Hunter's misadventures in Vegas to the nitty-gritty of college football playoffs, with a special guest appearance by Brandon,

The hosts discuss various bowl game predictions, including Ohio State vs. Missouri, Toledo vs. Wyoming, and Georgia vs. Florida State. They also make predictions for the College Football Playoff games between Alabama and Michigan, as well as Texas and Washington. In addition, they provide an NHL prediction for the game between the Philadelphia Flyers and the Calgary Flames. The episode concludes with a discussion of the Thursday night NFL game between the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns. The conversation covers the upcoming championship games and playoff format. The hosts discuss the Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets game and analyze the performance of both teams. They also discuss the Dallas Cowboys vs. Detroit Lions game and the strengths and weaknesses of each team. The Philadelphia Eagles vs. Arizona Cardinals game is analyzed, with predictions for the outcome. The Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Seattle Seahawks game is discussed, including the recent performance of the Steelers. The conversation concludes with a prediction for the Green Bay Packers vs. Minnesota Vikings game.

The football fun doesn't stop as we pivot to the fantasy league playoffs, and dissect Andy Reid's unique take on team building that's got the Chiefs riding high. All this while keeping an eye on the MVP race that's heating up with unexpected candidates leaving their mark on the field.

To cap it all off, we're not just talking shop – we're inviting you to join the banter and bring your hot takes to our social media platforms. From Twitter takedowns to comment section sagas, our online presence is as lively as our debates. Whether you're itching to chime in on the Cowboys' conundrums or want to weigh in on the Chiefs' prospects, we're all ears and always up for a good sports squabble. Don't forget to tune in and toss in your two cents!

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Introduction and Vegas Stripper Story

03:00
Bowl Game Predictions: Ohio State vs. Missouri

05:00
Bowl Game Predictions: Toledo vs. Wyoming

08:00
Bowl Game Predictions: Georgia vs. Florida State

18:00
College Football Playoff Predictions: Alabama vs. Michigan

27:00
College Football Playoff Predictions: Texas vs. Washington

34:00
NHL Prediction: Philadelphia Flyers vs. Calgary Flames

36:00
NFL Thursday Night Game: New York Jets vs. Cleveland

37:56
Championship Game and Playoff Format

38:41
Cleveland Browns vs. New York Jets

39:31
Analyzing the Game

40:33
Cleveland Browns' Recent Performance

41:34
Predictions for the Game

42:10
Dallas Cowboys vs. Detroit Lions

43:35
Dallas Cowboys' Performance Against Playoff Teams

44:30
Detroit Lions' Chance to Win

46:54
Philadelphia Eagles vs. Arizona Cardinals

49:02
Analysis of the Game

50:37
Prediction for the Game

51:11
Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Seattle Seahawks

52:41
Pittsburgh Steelers' Recent Performance

53:47
Prediction for the Game

55:48
Cincinnati Bengals vs. Kansas City Chiefs

58:00
Kansas City Chiefs' Recent Performance

59:24
Prediction for the Game

01:01:09
Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Seattle Seahawks

01:03:28
Prediction for the Game

01:05:48
Green Bay Packers vs. Minnesota Vikings

01:13:17
Prediction for the Game

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Warning the Shackaloo podcast is a podcast created by two XD-generous that think they know sports gambling and spent their younger days breaking bookies and never hedging. We are not experts on anything, and everything we say should be taken with a grain of salt. We do not condone illegal sports gambling and all gambling should be done responsibly. If you have a gambling problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER Now enjoy.

Speaker 2: 0:32

Hello everyone and welcome to the Shackaloo podcast, a podcast where we see a woman with a body like a stripper man. Honey Hunter refuses to tipper man. That's what I heard, anyway, when Hunter was off last week. I will get to that in a moment, though, but I am one of the hosts for today, anthony.

Speaker 3: 0:50

Hey Mac, back here with the Made on Ridgeway Sports Podcast. Let's go, let's go.

Speaker 4: 0:57

Hunter back in the building. Been about a week but let's go Excited to talk to more sports. Got a good weekend lined up. I'm excited about it.

Speaker 2: 1:06

Yeah, and we have a guest back with us today. Go ahead and introduce yourself, guest.

Speaker 5: 1:12

How's it going? This is Brandon, back with you again. Give you a couple of shitty takes, or great takes, I don't know. Take it however you want.

Speaker 2: 1:23

That's all. This podcast is the shitty takes. And speaking of a shitty take, hunter, I heard you were very uncomfortable out there in Las Vegas. Kurt was ratting you out and he didn't want to bring it up. But you know what? I'm going to bring it up, because how are you going to see out there at Vegas stripping? You know strippers out in Vegas, those are prime cuts. Out there in Vegas there's not the pregnant Kansas City sirloin that you're going to get from Toledo. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4: 1:54

No, they're going to say that I was unconscious, but they're just referencing the end of the night, when it was 5 am and I was ready to leave. And basically you're falling over tired and ready to leave.

Speaker 2: 2:08

Oh, yeah, tired Falling over in Vegas. Tired who gets tired in Vegas? Kurt, do you want to comment on that? Is he lying to me?

Speaker 3: 2:16

Don't let him fool you. He was quaking the whole night, from about 12 to 5.

Speaker 4: 2:21

He was quaking. Yeah, okay, dude 12 to 5. He was quaking, he couldn't even look them in the eye. He couldn't even look them in the eye.

Speaker 3: 2:29

One of them even said go blue to him. And he still could, even, still could, even.

Speaker 4: 2:33

What the hell is this? It's a trap. Black and blue it's a trap.

Speaker 2: 2:40

Listen, hunter. I took Kurt to his first trip. I think my man dropped a pretty penny because I didn't tell him about the rule when they because they don't tell you they charge you for that next dance they go back there and they say, do you want to dance? Like, yeah, you go, you buy your first dance or second dance, if it's two for one. I didn't tell him that when they say, do you want another one? That's, that's getting added to the tab. They don't tell you is getting sent to the tab.

Speaker 2: 3:00

And my man came out about 30 minutes to an hour later and I said, oh my God, how much money did he have on him? He didn't have any black eyes, so the bouncers didn't have to teach him a lesson. But now that you got to learn that for yourselves, I had to learn the hard way to. Uncle Scott bought me my first one after I turned 18. Yeah, and then she came out and said, hey, you owe me 60 more. And I was like he's like, hey, I'm like this is my first time at a strip club, I don't know the rules and regulations.

Speaker 2: 3:35

She was like we're having a we were having a good conversation. We're having a good conversation. She says you want to stop? I said I mean, I'm having a good time talking. Not really.

Speaker 3: 3:44

We're having a good conversation.

Speaker 2: 3:50

Oh man, speaking of speaking of good conversation, we got a couple of bowl games this week and one of the teams that got left out of the deserving league got left out of the top four Ohio State going against Miss you. Ohio State does not have a quarterback anyway. We're decided that he didn't want to get bullied at Ohio State and for losing to Michigan and decided to transfer out to Syracuse because Syracuse was such a great program over this year. They're so good that like, let's go get them a quarterback. They're a quarterback away. No they're really not.

Speaker 2: 4:22

So he doesn't want to get bullied and dips out in Ohio State is still a two and a half point favorite against Missouri. So rough take here is I took Ohio State. I just think they're probably an overall better team. I mean the quarterback I think Brown was close to starting at the beginning of the year taking McCore's job anyway. So and and obviously college is not like NFL where if you lose your quarterback you're done for the year. There's usually next, definitely next man up mentality with these schools. Yeah, what is?

Speaker 3: 4:55

that game Is that Saturday, friday night?

Speaker 2: 4:59

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 5:00

Friday night Okay, friday night. Yeah, to be honest, I don't really know about. I don't know a whole lot about Mizzou other than their ranked ninth. I took a high state minus two and a half just because I think their defense will probably keep them in this game and win it. I don't know how well Devin Brown is, but I would imagine the gap, the, the, the talent gap there between the two isn't too marginal. So I see no reason why they can't beat Mizzou by two and a half. I think they'll probably cover that, yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:32

It's still the same defense too, so it's not like much has changed, except for the quarterback, brandon. What do you think about that team? No, honest, okay. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4: 5:41

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead Go ahead.

Speaker 5: 5:46

Um, yeah, I second Kurtz, take on defense. I think if that alone holds up, you know, I think that we have no problem beating Mizzou. I think the keys to the game is can Brown limit, you know, turnovers just like any other game, but, um, yeah, he was only seconds away from stepping on the field and being the number one guy. Um, frankly, I would have rather have him all year round. But you know, this is a good test to see what we get for next year. And you know, it can show what the younger receivers did, kind of like that Rose Bowl game a couple of years ago. Um, you know, they kind of had a field day. Nobody kind of thought much of. You know what was going to happen in that game, but, uh, I think the same thing could be said here. So, um, yeah, I definitely like Ohio State to cover.

Speaker 2: 6:40

Hunter, what's your take?

Speaker 4: 6:43

Well, you know what? I guess I'll be the lone range on this one. I'm going Mizzou, especially if I can get him at plus three or higher. I think that, um, there's a lot of guys not playing for our state. Marvin Harrison is up in the air. I haven't really heard about him one way or the other, but I don't think he'll play. And I just don't know if Devin Brown could come in and be honestly, what to me was a stout Mizzou defense two losses on the season. They played a pretty decent SCC schedule and one other, one other game besides LSU in Georgia. Um, they competed against. They competed against both of those. They have most of their team where the Ohio State has a lot of guys out from the portal or, you know, injury or whatever the case may be, and I just think that, especially if it's higher than a field goal, I think this game could be really close and could be a field goal game. So I will ride with Mizzou plus three All right.

Speaker 2: 7:40

So I mean it's not a bad take. I mean it is a two and a half point line. So if you think about it, I mean it's not really in in Ohio State's favor, but it's also not like it's not home or away either. So, um, she never know what. The gambling odds. Um, I will say that I think Marvin should play, because without my cord now there's not many leaders on that offense and I don't could he get hurt.

Speaker 2: 8:03

Yes, like I get the whole getting hurt thing and the bowl games and all that. And it's like, at the same time, dude, you're a football player and, yeah, your team didn't make it. I mean it's kind of one of those things you got to, you got to suck it up. I mean I hate, like I hated Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa for not playing, I mean pretty much almost the whole year, and then getting drafted. Were they good enough? Yeah, they were good enough, but I mean I definitely hate Joey. Joey is he's, he's, he's a, he's a real piece of work. But you know, it's it's up to them and obviously, obviously, they got to do what they got. You know they got to do what benefits them. So I understand it.

Speaker 2: 8:39

But speaking of doing that. Uh, toledo is a plus three and a half point underdog against Wyoming. Now, what Toledo likes to do is the teams that they should beat they don't, and the teams that they should get beat by, they keep it close. So, toledo versus Wyoming, I'm going to Toledo plus three and a half. I mean they were a ranked team at one point. Um, they just have that. They just have that stigma where they just can't beat the teams that they should be. Like they play down, way down to the comp competition and they shouldn't. They should have won the Mac. They end up not winning the Mac and it's just been the story of Toledo ever since. You know they've been kind of in existence the last 10 years at least that I've watched them play.

Speaker 3: 9:21

Yeah, that seems to be the common narrative. I don't even think they really were that competitive against Miami Ohio during that uh Saturday conversation ship game. They lost by like 10, I think I don't know, they're.

Speaker 3: 9:34

Toledo is so inconsistent I don't really know what to expect, and because of that I took Wyoming covering. Yeah. Wyoming. I don't really know a whole lot about them, but maybe Toledo plays a good like their A game. I think they can win for sure, but and that's what. I mean, I think they, I think they play up to standard.

Speaker 2: 9:54

Yeah, yeah. So what do you think about that Hunter?

Speaker 4: 10:01

I'm taking Wyoming minus three. Toledo's really good quarterback transfer to Baylor so he will not play in this game and I think losing him is a. Yeah, he transfers, he's going to Baylor next season so he won't play in this game and I think that will just make whoever the backup is. You know he's stepping into a, a team that he may take over next season. Maybe he gets a good look, maybe not, but I don't know. I just think against the Wyoming team they're not bad at eight and four and you know Toledo a little underwhelming down in the season. Then they lose the quarterback. I'll take Wyoming. I just I've. I've tried with Toledo all season. I've taken them in different spots and they've let me down almost every time and I won't do it again.

Speaker 5: 10:46

Yeah, I mean, toledo is really hard to trust right now because they've lost Finn to the transfer portal and, um, yeah, they're up, they're down, you don't really know what you're going to get from them. I would really love for them to get back to the running game. Just keep it on the ground in this bowl game. I think if they could grind it out a bit and, uh, you know, get a few not really cheap things going, but, like you know, just a couple of scheme looks or whatever, just to kind of roll out and get whoever they got a quarterback, just, uh, open up to a couple of open receivers and see what they can get out of downfield. But uh, yeah, other than that I would have to take Wyoming myself, like it. I hate to say that it could be in a Toledo alum, but uh, you know, it is what it is. You know, like I think that they're just not showing enough consistency to really trust them in big games.

Speaker 2: 11:45

Yeah, I will also say, though we don't know much about Wyoming and I just checked it out I mean so Wyoming's actually losing their wide receiver, their linebacker, their quarterback, a defensive end and another linebacker and a running back. So I mean Wyoming's losing some pieces too. It looks like they're um, they do, and they don't have much coming in like transfer portal.

Speaker 2: 12:06

Yeah, and they don't have much coming in, uh, offensive linemen and stuff like that. So I don't, I don't know exactly. I mean, teams are always looking for defense, so if those guys are any good, they're going to be missing a lot of defensive pieces too. So, uh, we'll see what happens there. Uh, it's just one of those things where I we don't really, I don't really know nothing about Wyoming. They're not ranked. Toledo was kind of up there. They can play. I know they lost their quarterback. He's a big reason why they won a lot of games, but at the same time he was part of the teams that choked. So uh, yeah, yeah, it goes hand in hand. And speaking of chokers, we have Georgia minus 19 and a half points against Florida state, the crybaby. So we got the chokers and the crybabies. Um no, I really don't.

Speaker 2: 12:52

I really don't think they choked. I mean, like we called it the Alabama that, like I said, I always say that the SEC championship game was Alabama's national title ship game, national title game, because they didn't think that they were going to get in. So what do you do? You play your hardest in your last game. You try to beat your rival. They did Um 19 and a half points, though I did take Georgia with the 19 and a half points against Florida state.

Speaker 2: 13:15

I don't know. I think I think Florida state is so hell bent on proving everybody that they're good that they're going to overthink this game. Meanwhile, georgia is just going to go in and slam a team because they're pissed off that they didn't get into college football playoffs. Um, they're going to play hard. They're bigger. Florida state plays in a weak conference. In my opinion, I don't think they really played anybody. They have one good win, but we all hate Brian Kelly. Um, he's trashed, so he's not a good coach, and I don't know I. So I I took Georgia with the 19 and a half. What do you guys think?

Speaker 3: 13:53

Yeah, I kind of I see both points to this. I pro I'm probably going to lean with Florida state with the 19 and a half. I think that's just. You know, maybe this is Florida state's playoff game to them, maybe this is their game to show they're like hey, maybe we should have been in this thing and not been doubted just because of an injury to our quarterback and maybe, like we used to have a, georgia is just pissed off. They're not even in this thing. But I think that's just a little bit too heavy of a line man. I mean that's 20, a senior 20 points to cover. You know, maybe, pending a few Florida state garbage time touchdowns, maybe call them a base by Georgia and they stay within 19,. But I think that's just too much to cover. So I'll take Florida state with the 19. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:39

I think what Vegas is saying too is that they also think Florida state has played weak teams. So this is going to be a tough test. So it's hard, it's hard to give Florida state anymore any less points in that Like like, I think 14 would be too low. I think 21 to 14 in that range for Georgia is would be. It would be kind of where this game is going to happen. Maybe they're going to be over that 20 point mark or it's going to be under it, but over the 14 point mark. That's what the line said there kind of tells me. But, hunter Brandon, what do you guys think?

Speaker 4: 15:14

You know I'm looking at this and from what's listed, Florida state I mean obviously lost Travis, but a lot of their star player down playing Coleman getting ready for the draft. From the looks of this chart that I'm looking at, they're going to be down to their third string running back. A lot of receivers are going to be out as well. I think I'm going to take Georgia on the kind of the tape that you had of just the sour taste in their mouth, the one loss in their out. I mean, you know, like it or hated, it is what it is with the 14 playoff and I'm glad that it's over after the season, but I think that they have a sour taste in their mouth.

Speaker 4: 15:52

I think that Florida states all their impact players are not playing pretty much and they had a week. They had a week week or schedule and I think that Georgia goes out to prove that. So at 19, especially if this would go down a little bit, get it to go down a couple of points, I would definitely take Florida state or Georgia cover, Georgia cover, yeah, Georgia cover.

Speaker 5: 16:15

Yeah, I, I think personally it's so hard to tell, you know, with people coming and going every single way, you know, like just in these past games that we've been talking about, so I mean I really don't know what to expect.

Speaker 5: 16:29

But there's one thing that I didn't like from Georgia the whole year is I thought that they struggled against weak teams at times. You know, I thought that they were, you know they weren't outmatched, but they just kind of started slow and, you know, finished strong enough, I guess, you know, just to close out games, and that's one of the reasons why I was glad that they didn't get into the final four. That's why I think that the line was a little bit too big. But if you mentioned that Florida state's actually losing more people than just they're starting quarterback like they lost in the regular season, I mean I'm drifting closer to taking Georgia at the 19,. But I don't know, I feel like that's just too high and I don't know. Also, I think Vegas is probably trying to lure people in to, you know, get people to bet on Florida state just for the fact that the point spread is so high. So I don't know, I would probably go with Florida state and you know that's a win, but I guess Georgia not to cover.

Speaker 2: 17:32

So that's fair. That's fair. Now for the big games, the New Year's Eve games here we are looking at. Let's do the first one here, and it's going to be Alabama versus Michigan and it's down to a one and a half point line. I still stand, like they say the kids say now, standing on business. I'm still standing on business with Michigan minus one and a half. Michigan's going to win this game. I know they're calling it to be a close game. I really think. I know it's Nick Saban, but Alabama blew their load against the Georgia team, the Georgia team. I don't think Alabama expected that. They were, I mean, maybe a slim possibility in their minds that they would have made the college football playoffs. But I really think that they they try to blow their load on Georgia and I know Nick Saban is going to have that.

Speaker 2: 18:19

I just I don't trust Alabama's quarterback at all, especially against that Michigan defense and the Alabama. The Alabama people score points on Alabama. Alabama's defense is not the stop defense that it used to be or that it was a couple years ago. And are they going to be, are they really going to be able to stop Blake Corm? They couldn't stop. They could not stop Texas running game. That's why they lost that game. So you tell me if they're going to really be able to stop them. And then, on top of JJ McCarthy's like call him what you want. I'm not going to say he's a superstar quarterback or anything like that, but he's a great, at least game manager. He's not going to give up the ball. He rarely turns it over. So between that, I just don't see Alabama's defense keeping up and I don't trust Alabama's quarterback. So I'm taking Michigan to win this game minus one and a half. What about you guys? What about the boys in blue? This is your guys as a team. You know them better than I do.

Speaker 3: 19:09

Yeah, well, jim Harbaugh. Throughout his entire coaching career and I hate to say this but it's the truth Jim Harbaugh has shown to choke in the big moments. You know I could look back the past two years, I could look back throughout his NFL career Super Bowl, conference Championships, two L's on that criteria, and then we've never won a bowl game under him. So the history doesn't look too pretty and I really have no idea what to expect heading in this game. I know Alabama has shown definitely times where they've looked vulnerable. You know, see the Auburn game where they barely won a couple other games, like that Texas game. Honestly, they really didn't play that well. Their quarterback is a very I remember he's very mobile. That dude is fast, he's very elusive, so I've got to watch out for him scrambling and I don't know.

Speaker 2: 20:11

He is prone to turnovers, though that's my thing. He's prone to turn the ball over. So I mean that's a thing there, and Michigan's defense is pretty good about trying to knock that bad boy out.

Speaker 3: 20:23

Yeah, this is true. I took Michigan minus one and a half. You know, you give Saban a month to prepare for anybody and that dude usually has his teams ready to go. I mean, these aren't really too familiar teams, so there's more than enough time to study your opponent and get ready for this game. This will absolutely be a very close game and I think it'll probably be within three either way. But I'll take Michigan minus one and a half. But, like I said, Harbaugh has came up small in these big moments so many times, so I really I don't know. Yeah, but I had no faith.

Speaker 2: 21:01

I had no faith in them against Georgia. I mean, georgia's just was just a nasty team that year and it had nothing to do with Michigan. It was everything to do with Georgia. Nobody was stopping them that year.

Speaker 3: 21:11

I didn't know that leading up to that game, how good Georgia really was, until I watched that game and I was like, yeah, I'm not even mad because this team is just I mean, I think, all the players that got drafted from there like they're nasty. That defense was all time. I mean that shit was ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 21:29

I was like when you got a three hundred forty pound D-Lime and I here running like like that, yeah, you ain't going to win, yeah it was almost like the opposite of the Gators offense from back in the day, you know, with Tim Tebow and all that was almost reversed for that defense. You know what I mean, hunter. What do you think man? No huge, no huge injuries.

Speaker 3: 21:48

Oh yeah, it's all good. No huge injuries, other than we lost Zach's inter during that house state game. We should have our center back. I don't know on the Alabama injury side, but a month should be more enough time for both teams to be ready. So hopefully that's all good.

Speaker 2: 22:02

Yeah, which is why I like it, the playoffs to be out a little further, you know, because it gives time to get the teams right. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 22:10

Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 4: 22:13

All right Hunter give me one second.

Speaker 2: 22:16

All right, well, hey. So all right, brandon. In that case, what do you think about this?

Speaker 5: 22:21

Yeah, I've been stewing over this game a little bit because I do think both teams are pretty evenly matched right now and I think it's always tough with saving because you know he's just got that enormous track record, you know where he can just take over and you know like completely throws some stuff against the wall that sticks. It seems like the thing with, you know, alabama, I think that this year, like they probably played the toughest schedule that they played in a long time, I've always been in my mind thinking, like man, they go up against, you know, a bunch of Mac teams and I know that you know the Big Ten is notorious for doing that too. But I firmly think that Alabama, you know, got tested in the beginning of the year like they're, you know, and then later on they had to kind of bring themselves back up and you know, closing out with that win against Georgia. I think that they've got a lot of momentum going into that game. You know, not to say that Michigan doesn't, you know, beat Ohio State like they did. But you know the same goes is, I think Michigan kind of went into that game also expecting that they were going to, you know, win again. But in this game I'd say, you know it's going to be really close. You know, I think both defense is going to be really good. Yeah, I do also think that it's going to come down to like who's run game is going to be like. You know it's going to have the day. You know like who's going to have you know the strongest day amongst the two. Yeah, I don't know, it's just so darn close.

Speaker 5: 24:04

If I took Alabama, I'm just being a spiteful Ohio State fan. But you know, if I picked Michigan, then you know I could definitely see why that you know that they would take the day, because between McCarthy and Corum, I mean you could run down the line and they've got the pieces together. But yeah, Harbaugh kind of scares me in big games and stuff. You know, like Kurt was saying, you know he kind of chokes it up. So I don't know, I mean I guess I'd take Alabama just because I thought that the strength of the totality of what they've done, the continuity, that's really what's the saving grace for them. So I'd take Alabama.

Speaker 2: 24:45

And I'll be fair to Harbaugh, how many chances has he had? I know they've went to bowl games but let's face it, it's kind of like the Ohio State, like all these other bowl games. Do they really matter if it's not the playoffs? I mean, if you got beat by Ohio State as much as you did and all that stuff, did the bowl games matter? I honestly, even as a fan, I don't care if my team wins the Chevy Malibu Cruise Bowl down in Hawaii, like I really don't care, like I'm not going to flex on that next year and I don't think any of the colleges are. So it's like, yeah, it is whatever. But I mean, and the only playoffs that he's been in, like I said it's just that Georgia team was just just wasn't a fair. It's not a fair team to play that year. All right, hunter's back, what do you got Hunter?

Speaker 4: 25:27

Yeah, I think I think all you guys make solid points. I'm definitely riding with Michigan minus the two and a half. I think that Michigan's biggest thing is going to be you know, they're notorious for having some bad nights against scrambling quarterbacks and if they let Mel Rowe use his legs it's going to be a long day for him and I think that Alabama will have a lot of success. So I think that that's where Michigan needs to hone in on. But I just think that you know Harbaugh hears all the noise and he knows it too, like he knows the really bad bowl record. He knows the you know the rumbles of just not being clutch and having some bad nights in big games. I think that he he sees the opportunity like this is truly Michigan's greatest opportunity. They're going to have to win a national championship for the next God who knows how many years.

Speaker 4: 26:16

So I think that against the Alabama team, that's more than beatable. That's been shown multiple ways to beat them. I mean playing Georgia and just I think there's a lot of good film on Bama right now. So I'm confident in Michigan, I'm confident in this team. You know Nick Saban, he's the hell of a coach and I hate to get in that draw. I think it's a really it's a bad matchup, but I think Michigan will be able to handle it. So I think Michigan minus two and a half.

Speaker 2: 26:47

Yeah, it's going to be tough. I mean because the next game we're going to talk about here is obviously Texas, and I think Texas is going to have an easier time with Washington as opposed Michigan with Alabama, and I think that's going to play a role in the national title game as well. So if Michigan can pull it out right, we don't know for sure, but let's talk about that Texas game and they are a minus four and a half point favorite against Washington. I think they cover. I honestly think they cover easily. I know Washington's got a really good offense, but they play in a whack-ass conference.

Speaker 2: 27:19

You guys at least Curt and Hunter know how much I hate the Pac-12. And, as you can see, thanks to Caleb Williams and seeing how Oregon plays and all that, you know why I hate the Pac-12. It's useless. It's not a power conference. All they do no defense, all throwing the ball to these horrible, horrible defense. You know against these horrible defenses that they have out there and they just rack up points and you know everybody goes ooh ah, points, ooh yeah. No, I love points and really at times the games are boring because there are so many blowouts in the Pac-12. So I took Texas. I just they're a complete team. They got a good quarterback. I like their defense. I think that Texas can keep. I think Texas can keep over the Washington's offense because Washington doesn't have a defense and Texas has a more stout defense that Washington's probably hasn't seen in a bit. So give me Texas minus four and a half.

Speaker 3: 28:15

Yeah, um, I like Texas to win this game, but I like Washington to stay within the four and a half. I think, just like the Alabama Michigan game, this will probably be a game that's within three. To be honest with you, I mean, after watching that Oregon conversation, I got to say what you're saying about defenses being irrelevant. Oh my gosh dude. I saw Oregon literally score on two plays within a minute. I was like how do you even let that happen when you're up 10? So in order for Washington to really have a chance here, like you mentioned, they're all fences at the beyond point. Michael Pentax is going to play have to play a good game. I think he will. It's supposed to be a great quarterback duel with viewers and Pentax there, but I like Washington to stay within the four and a half, but I'd like Texas to win the game.

Speaker 2: 29:04

overall, though, yeah, yeah, I I I lot with those keeping up with him. I think they keep him off the field. I mean, texas can run the ball, so you know you keep him off the field to keep the game from getting out of hand and getting, you know, over scored, um, so that's what I like to see. I think it's almost. It's almost like when we had the TCU, the TCU game. You know what I mean. Get that that kind of. I think we're going to see something like that. I get it that. Um, they were playing, uh, georgia and you know when they got blown out. But it's kind of like I said, real teams. You know you're playing these real teams. You know Texas is now part of the SEC, so they're now on a power conference. We're actually going to see what kind of balls Texas has coming up next year, which is going to be fun. But, uh, what do you think about this game, hunter?

Speaker 4: 29:49

You know, honestly, I like Titus on the money line, I don't know about this point. I think that you guys made good points on it being, either, you know, more of a Texas win easily, and then you know I could also see Kurtz point on a close field goal winded type game If things go the way of Washington and the offense especially. But I just Texas money line for me, mostly because I just have no faith in that pack 12. Washington defensive truly hasn't played anybody yet that can play to the caliber of Texas for 60 minute, for a 60 minute game. And uh, I think that, um, you know, texas has the offense, they have the defense to back it up and Washington just I think that there, when push comes itself and they need a stop or something like that, holding to a field goal, I think Texas will be able to capitalize. So with that, definitely take it tight. So the money line I'd like to see a. That'd be a. That'd be crazy if Michigan and Texas made it massive in that. That's what they'd be Crazy.

Speaker 2: 30:47

Yeah, I think I think I think part of my problem too is Hunter. He was like I had money on this game and I watched Washington struggle with Arizona Like that quarterback out there is awful at Arizona and I watched Washington defense struggle against him and I watched Washington struggle against that Arizona defense. I mean, I know they scored 31 points in the end, but you know that that quarterback was only like five, seven, like we talked about it I think, how short he was and stuff like that.

Speaker 4: 31:14

Yeah, so that was crazy to me.

Speaker 2: 31:17

So that's, I'm just. We'll see. Brandon, what do you think about this game?

Speaker 5: 31:20

Yeah, I think you guys all make really good points. You know Washington especially. You know I like bits and pieces of their offense Defense. Obviously there's not much to toot your horn about, but you know, I think that the, the, the big advantage here is Texas can beat you in multiple different ways, like whatever you know they want to pick. It's like okay, you want to shoot out we got you. You want a running game we got you. You want a defensive stand? Yeah, we got you. So they're probably my favorites to win it all. To be honest with you, yeah, they're just too much of a complete team to not win this and cover the the points. So, yeah, I would take Texas. Definitely, they could probably win by 10.

Speaker 2: 32:11

Yeah, and I said it earlier, and I think, because I I think this is going to be an easier game, especially for Texas Michigan is going to have a harder one and I just I do think that it is going to affect Michigan a little bit when they, if Michigan does win and Texas does win, that Texas will be a favorite in that game and they'll probably end up winning, cause I think you, as bad as Alabama, might play and what they look like, that's going to be a very physical game and that Washington, that Washington game is not going to be physical, it's just going to be points and be points and who has the better defense as, as opposed to beating each other up in the trenches like the Alabama Michigan games going to be.

Speaker 2: 32:45

But we'll see and that'll play out, because I don't want to see Alabama in a national title, I want them to be one and done, because they did not deserve to be here. That's just me, cause I just hate the bias that the NCAA has with the Alabama and the SEC. The SEC is fine but, like Georgia, georgia deserve to be in there Bottom line. But what do I know? I don't know much, because if I did, I wouldn't be talking on a podcast and I would be on ESPN. I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 33:20

Anyway yeah, of course it's not doing it. Let's see here. Oh boy, I'm trying to feed this. Oh yeah, yeah, now it does it. There we go. Wow, hunter, it does not want to play your hunter's hockey hits, it's playing everything else, like that goofy ass sound. Oh, this problem last time. Just hit him with those hits, hunter. What do we got for hockey this week?

Speaker 4: 33:51

Yeah, I'm looking at a Sunday matchup in the NHL. I'm looking at Philadelphia Flyers taking on the Calgary Flames. Philadelphia they're looking good. Carter Hart nine, six and two records so far. They're playing really good hockey on the road. Ten four and three and Calgary they're kind of getting it together. But Philadelphia's lost two in a row. I left it on a bounce back, so I will take the Philadelphia Flyers on the money line on Sunday, New Year's Eve.

Speaker 2: 34:27

All right. Yeah, no, they're a young team too. That's a crazy thing about the Philadelphia thing they got. I guess they got rid of a couple of bad eggs that they had in that, that locker room, and now.

Speaker 2: 34:39

I guess what was it? Ivan Proveroff I didn't know he had. He was such an asshole and then went and got rid of him. Yeah, yeah, but I like watching him play too. He was a good player on the ice, but I Guess he was just a bad egg. So they get rid of a couple bad eggs. They're trying to go young and build and even the GM said it as good as they're doing right now he's got. He's got no interest in buying at the trade deadline. So when we're not that from what I know they're not they're definitely not looking to add to that this year. They're they're trying to build, which is crazy, because most times the flyers are trying to pack the house. And how will they say pack the barn? Yeah, try to get that done, but yeah, no, I apologize for all that. So damn sounds technology. Why?

Speaker 3: 35:22

doesn't it work, all right.

Speaker 2: 35:26

So let's get into some Some NFL stuff here, and we're gonna talk about the Thursday night game real quick. It is the New York Jets at Cleveland. So we got the Thursday night and a local team going on here and the New York Jets are actually seven and a half point underdogs. I guess Joey flacco he's a he's ballin out there right now. Yeah, the one time that I need, I don't even need it. I don't even need him to score any points anymore because I'm out of the fantasy league, which, by the way, update. Oh, kurt, you know. You know that you have an important role to play here in the fantasy league, not for the podcast, but Kurt is in the championship game of my work league that we did this year.

Speaker 3: 36:05

Oh yeah, and and it's funny because I remember After we drafted, your homies were doubting a boy and we started out like one and six and then we went on the roll and here we are, but there's so many.

Speaker 2: 36:20

There's so many injuries this season that it ruined a lot of people stuff and hey, 240 dollars is on the line $240.

Speaker 3: 36:31

Keep it low. The fantasy guys will Don't get my curse me again, like last weekend, but oh, I still gotta pay up for the other one. I'll do that for this podcast so we can send whoever won this league. Oh, you know what?

Speaker 2: 36:48

No, that's announced that right now. Yeah, keep, keep, keep talking about that podcast. Leak her, because we probably should have a winner after this weekend. In my dumb Ass did not look to see who actually won the podcast league. It wasn't neither of us. You and Hunter were the last line of defense, yep, so Don't get away, you joke.

Speaker 3: 37:09

Well, I don't know, I don't even know what I did.

Speaker 2: 37:11

Yeah, I was gonna say I don't even know if hunter actually Actually played or set his line up. He got brutally beat up so many times that it was hard to tell.

Speaker 3: 37:22

No, he. No, he didn't know I chose, but he didn't joke, oh.

Speaker 2: 37:26

So it looks like I lied so All right, so it's gonna be between Wilson football and who day in the blowfish, so that's gonna be the championship game this weekend. Oh, okay, so it was, um, it was a double week. It was a double week, it wasn't a single week, so it was double week playoff. So you know how they do the two weeks and add points in the two weeks. Yeah, so I Don't realize. I set it up like that. Alright, so nobody on the podcast.

Speaker 3: 37:54

Because I was looking From this previous week. I was looking, I was like why is the show like almost 300 points? I was like, oh, there's two chances to. So that was a first.

Speaker 2: 38:06

Yeah so congratulations to them. Um, but, as just so they know if they're listening, it's a double week again, so it's week 17 and 18. So we actually won't know who wins until the end of the season.

Speaker 3: 38:15

So, yes, don't, just, don't just rest your players coming up here with that other week, because a lot of teams will probably sit in their starters.

Speaker 2: 38:27

It depends, but there's a lot of teams in the mix this year, like on the AFC NFC and NFC side, and some of those teams. One of those teams is the Cleveland Browns and Cleveland Browns are seven and a half point favorites against that Jets defense. I know the Browns at home and Joey flacco Joey flacco had a Good game. Uh, I just don't know if I just I just don't know if they're gonna be seven and a half points good Against that Jets D. I know the Jets offense sucks. Um, I don't know what. Do you guys think about that game? Because I honestly, I think I'm leaning Jets plus seven and a half, just because it's flip-flop, but I could also see Cleveland's defense giving Joe flacco shortfields. It's a very odd game, to be honest.

Speaker 3: 39:09

Yeah, talk about this game. I'm definitely rolling with Cleveland minus seven and a half. They are one of the best teams against us covering the spread. I looked that up earlier. Just I was like kind of curious as who's been doing good with that. Trevor Samion's playing for the Jets. We know how that's been the Corbett situation Just been who's in, who's out, who's playing. This week Browns defense is one of the best in the league. They're at home. They're still vying to, you know, getting the playoffs, though they probably will get in. I Think the Browns will probably win and cover the seven and a half as they they're looking ahead in the playoffs. So, yeah, flacco's in playing real good too. What?

Speaker 2: 39:53

do you think about this game, brandon?

Speaker 5: 39:57

Yeah, I second that. You know the Browns with Flacco he's kind of got new life, new blood. And Same goes with the Mari Cooper. What Mari Cooper and the Sean Watson could not get together and get on the same page with Flacco and Mari Cooper are doing. You know, I really like what the Browns have been doing lately. You know when one side of the ball you know falters, then the other side picks the other up. So I mean, the defense has just been carrying that team at times and now the offense is kind of like lifting it up at times, not that the defense is playing bad, but you know just when they need it most. You know those are the, those are playoff moments right there. So yeah, I like the Cleveland Browns to cover in this. You know the Jets aren't playing for anything right now. Cleveland's playing for seeding. So yeah, cleveland's gonna, they'll cover the points.

Speaker 2: 40:54

Hunter.

Speaker 4: 40:56

Yep, I'm definitely taking Cleveland to cover. I think it's just that simple. New York just kind of in a weird spot. They've been up and down, shaky season, different quarterbacks, just so you know. Just a typical jet season, I guess at this point. But uh, you know, browns 10 and 5 looking to make the playoffs and you know they need this win pretty bad. And the Jets, I just I don't think they're really gonna have a team to get up and go play a really good Cleveland team. So I didn't clue when we did. I'll definitely take them on the money line, but probably even put them on the spread more that touchdown.

Speaker 2: 41:31

All right, all right, all right. I'm glad we got Brandon here because I want to talk about this a little bit, since it's same division. We got the Saturday night game one of the prime time games that we're gonna cover, along with a local team, and it's Detroit going to Dallas. Now, dallas, a Two-game road slide, two game road slide. Brandon, you were here, I don't. Maybe you were here, I don't remember, but I these two novel heads can can vouch for me when I said I believe Dallas was gonna lose those two games, simply not because Dallas like totally sucks or anything like that, but I'm looking at the fighting like the bills needed to survive. They needed that win to stay alive In Miami for the same thing. I mean because if Miami loses that, loses the Dallas game, and then they lose the Buffalo, they're out, they're good, they're going wild card.

Speaker 2: 42:18

So the discrepancy between Dallas when they play at home and away and they're playing at it, the the whole narrative about them they can't beat playoff teams. It's not so much like I think that's totally true, it's just they haven't proved otherwise. So when I see somebody like the Buffalo Bills, who they have a bad record but are still a very good team when you watch them play. They beat up on teams I mean Josh Allen, especially since they switched. The offensive coordinator. Josh Allen was still. Josh Allen Got back to his roots, they started running the ball and they did something that most teams are too proud to do and they ran down Dallas's throat. Miami got kind of got away.

Speaker 2: 42:57

That Miami game was a little closer and I thought that Buffalo would blow out Dallas just because Buffalo needed needed to get that Miami. They're kind of a flimsy team themselves. So I was like that game is gonna be a little closer and it was Feel go in right at the last second. But Dallas gets somebody decent at home. Now you can correct me for wrong, because I don't remember the Dallas play a playoff team at home, aside listen, aside from the Philadelphia team, because they were their playoff team and I get it. It still counts, but they're also on a slot. They were on a slide too. They were. Dallas caught them at the very, at a good at a good time. Um, so I don't know who at home. I know they're very, they're very good at home, but what, how are they like against decent teams at home? Have they played anybody besides like the Giants, or because I got the Jets at home too right Last this over the past year.

Speaker 5: 43:51

Yeah, they had the Jets at home. They did beat Seattle because they're currently, right now, seattle's a playoff team and, yeah, to be honest with you, seattle's hanging with a lot of good teams other than the 49ers, which is, you know, right, be obvious. But yeah, like Dallas, you know that they definitely have cleaned up a lot of weaker competition at home. So you know that goes in a lot of what they're doing right now and that's why I like them this weekend. But the thing is, the thing with Dallas is like you know that, unless you're a fan of the Cowboys, I swear most people would just say, yeah, right, that doesn't. You know, that doesn't make any sense. But every time that I watch a game, it's like every team plays up to, just rises their game to Dallas, like it's something about I, whether you know people call America's team or whatever it is, you know, like the mystique around the team, it's always like a notch higher, like people are just more shipier. And I'm, like you know, like teams like Carolina like are getting chippy with us and it's like what is going on here? Like you know, these are teams that we are not normally rivals with and they're just, they're just playing To more of their potential. I'm not saying that you know that's an excuse or anything like that, but what I am saying is like kind of goes along with what you were saying.

Speaker 5: 45:16

Like Buffalo in Miami, you know they're kind of desperate. They needed these wins. They needed them to Stay in the hunt or at least stay in the playoff seating. So I mean that, combined with Dallas and making Catastrophic mistakes at the worst of times, I mean that all just rolls up into a ball and then make the ball bigger. Bad coaching In stressful times.

Speaker 5: 45:41

That's kind of like the the sum of what Dallas is right now. That's why they can't be consistent, that's why they can't be good teams. That's why they're only good at home, because then they can keep the crowd quiet and they can actually go through the whole nuance of their offense. So I mean, really that's the difference here. That's why I like Dallas so much at home against the Lions right now. I know the Lions are starting to come up again after kind of a slide. So I think, with Dallas being at home, I think this will be a tight game. I didn't see what the point spread is on this, but yeah, I'm pretty sure that Dallas can cover whatever the spread is right now, if it's a probably like, probably like a three, three and a half.

Speaker 2: 46:29

No, no, this is kind of disrespectful to Detroit and this is actually why I have the Detroit Lions. I don't have them outrider on the money line, but it's it's the cowboy love at home and how good they have, I mean, and they have shown that they are very good at home. It was why I asked the question how many good teams have they played at home? Because the Dallas Cowboys do have a one weakness. You have a fantastic player in Micah Parsons. I'm jealous they have a decent linebacker, because our fucking linebacking sucks Right. But if you run the ball at him you take him out of the game almost completely. And what does Detroit do? They run the football and they run the football pretty fucking well and they run jet sweeps and stuff like that. The Lions are a six-point underdog. Oh, home is Dallas. Yeah, and I think that's very disrespectful to for the Lions who are in. They're not in the driver's seat, but the the San Francisco. I'm not saying the Eagles could lose a game, I'm not saying anything when I get into Eagles yet, or anything, but like, san Francisco still has a very tough LA Ram. The LA Rams are on the come up. They get Pete. They're sleeping on the LA Rams a little bit. Everybody is. But that last game, it's gonna come down to that last game and if Detroit can win this game, they, and they win their next one, they could potentially be the number one seed I mean potentially. So Detroit's got a lot to play for two. They're not just going to Dallas to sleep.

Speaker 2: 47:46

Detroit's also a dome team, so it's not like going, I mean there's. The only thing is it's travel, right, the travel and the jet lag and stuff they got to deal with. But they don't got to deal with elements, they just got to deal with the crowd, which I, you know, some teams will say it affects them, some teams won't, but I think it does. Dallas got a really good home field advantage. Hmm, so, depending on what Detroit's game plan is for Dallas, which their whole team is based on, jared golf, not having any turnovers and not having to throw the ball and running the ball very well Could Detroit win this game?

Speaker 2: 48:15

Yeah, they have a really good chance, but I definitely think they can keep it within six points. So I'm going Lions plus six here. Like I said, it's not as not. I'm trying not to. I'm trying to keep this as bias as possible. I'm not trying to say Dallas, hey, but that just kind of makes sense with me. The, the Cowboys defensive weakness is the Lions strength. So you know, if, if Detroit can come out and run the football, get the ball first and run and keep Dak off the field Because that's gonna throw the ball over the Lions, I think that can happen. So the goal is here is kind of what the bills was keep Dak on the sideline and run the ball down their throat, mm-hmm, and hire out that defense. Right.

Speaker 2: 48:54

Now, what? Now, knowing a point line, what do you think about that?

Speaker 5: 48:59

I mean, I can see why I mean, oh yeah, you know, you know Vegas is kind of going with the.

Speaker 5: 49:06

You know the way that the trend, basically you know everybody at home they're pretty much blown out. Um. So I mean I would probably go the same way. You know, I could say that they could. They could definitely win by seven, they could win this by 14. But the flip flop I mean the Lions could do the exact same thing. Like you said, you know they run the ball effectively and you know one, two punch it. Yeah, they could easily come in here and, you know, disrespect us at home.

Speaker 5: 49:36

But I think, uh, after that bludgeoning that, uh, dallas Scott in Buffalo, I think that they learned to uh actually play off the ball, or play Micah off the ball a little bit more in this last game. That's why Miami didn't have so much success running jet sweeps that around the end as much. So I think they've learned from their mistakes a bit. But, uh, I think of the key to the game for us, uh, in stopping their running game, is if we can get Jonathan Hankins back, which I don't. I don't hear good things about that. You know he was our, our run stuffer. So I mean we'll see about that. But yeah, I, I could definitely see it going either way. But yeah, I have faith in the Cowboys offense and that they can just light up the scoreboard, barring that no penalties and stupid stuff happened.

Speaker 2: 50:26

So right Hunter, Kurt. What do you guys think?

Speaker 3: 50:29

Yeah, um, with Dallas being such a different team at home versus on the road three and five on the road and then at home, just lighten people up. I mean, they still have that home streak going for them with the 18 games or 19 games, whatever it is. I I feel like this line, kind of like what you said, tony, like plus six Detroit. I think I think Detroit stays within six. They they're a very physical team, run first team. They don't want to make golf throw it over the yard, cause sometimes if you rattle him early he can be a bit of a turnover machine, as we've seen with my Gumry and Jameer Gibbs running as well as they have.

Speaker 3: 51:07

You know, that's kind of Dallas's weakness is running the ball at them at times. So I like Detroit to stay within six. I think Dallas will win it, though God has more to play for trying to get that first or even second seed. Um, dallas, I you know they're going to need Philly to lose one one of these next two to try to win that division. But I thought they're just stuck at five. So it's like what do you have to play for at that point, like yeah, you want to head into playoffs looking good, but if you lose this game, it's not the end of the world. But you do want to make corrections to what looks to be your weakness, which is just teams running at you. They have not.

Speaker 2: 51:44

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 51:45

And that's what Detroit's very good at is running the ball. They're very physical and Detroit is. Dan Campbell will have them ready to play. I definitely think this would be a one-sport game, so like Detroit with six not even give that man coach of the year so far.

Speaker 2: 52:01

I mean, I know Kyle Shanahan has been doing a lot with that San Francisco team but the turnaround that the Detroit Lions has had the last year or so has been first first division title in 30 years. 30 years. I'll be shocked if he's not. Yeah, I'll be shocked. They won in NFC North the last time they won the division. They were the NFC central, central, central yeah. Hunter. What do you think about this game? This is your closet team, so you should have a lot of insight on there.

Speaker 3: 52:28

Yeah, you sure seen them on Sunday, salty.

Speaker 4: 52:34

I'm going to say I think the Lions keep it at plus six. I think the Cowboys could easily win this game, especially without good they play at home. But I think that this game is a little bit closer. Maybe it probably probably rides that six point line. Maybe Dallas maybe fairly gets the cover. But that's definitely interesting line and I don't know. I think that I'd rather have the points than meet, trust Dallas to cover.

Speaker 2: 53:01

So yeah, and if you look at what Vegas does you have, they look at Dallas and they go oh, they've blown everybody out at home. So we have to make this line a little high and then the betters go, and probably the beginning even if they put it at like a minus four betters go. Okay, I'm slamming that. Slamming that because Dallas has won't everybody at home, so you get that at a plus four. I mean, that's almost easy money, you know. So you know you get it late earlier in the week, though you know, just, that's kind of where you can make your betting happen If you catch the lines early. Usually I'm recovering from losses, but I had a three and oh, monday had a three and oh, monday I had the Vegas at Vegas on the points. I didn't have them winning outright, but I had Vegas, and then I took the Giants with the points and then I took Kurt. We know this. We took Baltimore outright. Both of us did Um, there's a little Super Bowl preview.

Speaker 2: 53:54

I didn't know that they were going to womp on San Francisco at home, but you know, I thought maybe they're going to maybe get get a touchdown and uh, you know, now we we like Baltimore has Miami and that's going to be a good game. It's going to be a better game because, like we talked about, miami's got a little bit of a thing. But here's what I will say. A quick little tidbit about that Miami Baltimore game Teams after playing the San Francisco 49ers are defeated. Nobody has won a game after playing the San Francisco 49ers. So Miami plus three and a half. What happened? Did you win?

Speaker 5: 54:32

Yeah, we won. Oh, you guys.

Speaker 2: 54:35

Well, who'd you guys play?

Speaker 5: 54:38

Giants. I was probably the Giants.

Speaker 2: 54:39

Yeah, all right, a relevant teams relevant teams Okay, so one team this season. Sorry, all right.

Speaker 2: 54:51

Well, you can do that, but Miami I'm looking at Miami plus three and a half on that one. So the next game on the list is Arizona at Philadelphia 10 and a half point line. That's a little bit better compared to the 14 point line that ended up being with the Giants. I didn't believe in that, but I do believe in this Philadelphia line. It's at home and Shane Steichen not Shane Steichen Jonathan Gannon, the piece of shit that decided to interview during the Super Bowl with Arizona Cardinals instead of actually focusing on the Super Bowl and blitzing Patrick Mahomes to win the Super Bowl, is coming back home, back into town, and I think he's going to get the business.

Speaker 2: 55:30

So I did take Philadelphia minus 10 and a half. I think this is their right game. They got their win to get out of the slide. I think this is their more of a dominant wing game before they head over to the Giants and play them for a final time. So definitely Philadelphia minus 10. Arizona is just not a good team. They don't have any quarterbacks, they really don't have nothing, and I think that defense of Philadelphia there's a lot of players still there that probably want to stick it to Jonathan Gannon.

Speaker 3: 55:57

Yeah, I don't know, man, I'm going to ride with Arizona, plus 10 and a half Eagles will win. But I don't know. I just you go do some coaching adjustments here. Man, they really do, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 56:15

Well, their defense is doing fine. After that switch at defense, they're doing fine. Yes, did New York score 25 points, but that was on offensive turnovers and a botched fumble.

Speaker 3: 56:24

That kickoff? Did you see that when you were driving home? What?

Speaker 4: 56:29

the hell was the key is doing, running backwards.

Speaker 2: 56:32

And the botched scott. I don't know, but he's better than Quest Rockins every time.

Speaker 3: 56:37

I've never seen that happen in my entire life watching football. This man was running backwards and do his own return man.

Speaker 2: 56:45

Yeah, had it not been for the dumb shit. Like you're talking about 15 points basically on dumb shit from Philadelphia. If we can get rid of the dumb shit, that's fine, Because if you get rid of the dumb shit this was a 20 point game for Philadelphia. But unfortunately they can't cut out the dumb shit.

Speaker 1: 56:58

But I think this is like I said they want to, Is that?

Speaker 3: 57:00

Philadelphia.

Speaker 2: 57:01

Yes, and I think Jonathan Gannon is coming home. That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking that whole Jonathan Gannon thing and all that. It's at least by 10. I mean they won by eight last week with dumb shit. So if they cut out the dumb shit I think they can cover 10 and a half.

Speaker 3: 57:14

Yeah, I'll take Philly. I think they finally covered this. I think they finally covered this. I'll give them 10 and a half Two scores.

Speaker 2: 57:21

Yeah, what do you think, Brandon?

Speaker 5: 57:23

Arizona really scores. Arizona is just such a hard team to put your finger on, but they've been consistent one thing and losing games other than against us. So yeah, I mean I was laughing, no no Go ahead.

Speaker 2: 57:41

Sarah and I were laughing at that, because they showed the thing of who each opponent plays and it said like three, three and 11 or something like that For Arizona. I'm like Dallas is one of those three. That's gotta be that's gotta hurt. Like same thing with us for the Jets. I'm like how the fuck did we lose that Jets game?

Speaker 5: 57:56

Right, and that's the whole thing. For the whole NFL. People have been throwing out the fraud word a lot and I'm like there's so many frauds in this league, it's not even funny. Kansas City one of them, and it's any given Sunday now, because that's exactly the way the AFC looks. It's exactly the way the NFC is starting to look now, at the end of the season.

Speaker 2: 58:22

But yeah like there are two dominant teams. There are two dominant teams in it's Baltimore and San Francisco.

Speaker 5: 58:27

Oh yeah, that was put on full display on Monday night and I mean, but yeah, getting back to this game, arizona probably is not going to be able to put it together. As a Dallas fan, you know it would be great to see them lose this game. But yeah, I think it'll be a little bit closer. I think that Arizona still can keep the cover on the spread and then, but yeah, the Eagles end up winning this, but that New York game and then on the road in New York, that's going to be interesting. I just got to say that much because that was an interesting game to watch, just to see New York, you know, hang in there from like three separate times.

Speaker 2: 59:12

Yeah, I think the only thing with the New York thing now is I think their last shot like a really trying to win was probably the last this past week. I think at that point, the last game of the season, they're going to have to ask themselves do we really care to win this game and spoil Right, play the spoiler. Or do we want the top draft pick to get a fucking quarterback? Because right now we're drowning with between Danny Dimes and the other shit that we have?

Speaker 2: 59:34

you know, Tommy DeVito Danny Dimes Like how long did we do Tommy DeVito mania, and he got benched at halftime, so you know a lot less than Gardner Minchew. Yeah, so so you know. I just it depends on where the Giants are going to be at that point and depending on how they do this week, because if they lose this week, then at what point do you really want to win that Philadelphia game instead of trying to move up in the draft?

Speaker 5: 59:57

Sure, sure. Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2: 1:00:02

Hunter, what do you think about the Philadelphia Arizona game Just going Philly 10 and a half right your closet Cowboys fan?

Speaker 4: 1:00:08

Yeah, definitely Philly minus 10 and a half. I think, arizona, like you said, they just want a good draft pick. They suck, they're terrible, they need a new quarterback. They didn't do a lot of things but they got to start a quarterback and kind of, like you said, get right game for Philly, dominate, win to kind of try to close out the season. I'll take Philly minus 10 and a half.

Speaker 2: 1:00:32

All right, and I know you have some questions about this one Brandon Cincinnati at the Chiefs. Oh, not questions, but you kind of wanted to dwell on it a little bit. You start minus seven and a half. It's actually just straight up seven, seven point favorites against Cincinnati, depending on the app you use. Yeah, that's a confusing one for me.

Speaker 5: 1:00:50

Yeah, I mean, based on how the Kansas City has played lately, they are not the Super Bowl defending champions that I would have saw from a year ago. I mean, it's completely different. Everything feels different. It seems now that the whole Taylor Swift thing is a complete distraction for them, you know, and that's kind of funny.

Speaker 5: 1:01:13

I'll be honest with you because I mean Kansas City is kind of turning into the new New England for me, and to see them lose and lose again, especially lose to a Cincinnati Bengals team that has their backup quarterback in there, I mean I would love nothing more. But from an unbiased standpoint, I like Cincinnati's defense, I like the things that they're doing. I just don't know if I trust Browning enough, but at the same time I don't trust what they're doing over there in Kansas City on offense a whole bunch. Kansas City's never really been known for their defense either. I think they've hung in there. But yeah, that's seven points. I don't know if they can cover that. I would probably lean on the side of the Bengals. Kansas City probably pulls out the win because it's at home. I'd say that's probably the way that I would go. Is probably that Kansas City or, I'm sorry, the Bengals to be able to not cover that?

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

Yeah, I think you're kind of on some there. You can't To that point. The Chiefs didn't allow a completed pass after the first quarter last week. That's how good that defense played Molten and I know that it was a rookie quarterback playing and stuff like that, but that's still a pretty good stat and that defense is playing out of its mind and that offense just can't get to chip together. Yeah, do they get their shit together? Yeah, they probably beat Cincinnati, but, like you said, by seven. At this point, can you trust them? You really can't trust Kansas City. Kansas City to get it together and you and and you're getting. Now Kansas City is finally seeing and feeling the Andy reed effect, and what the Andy reed effect is is Andy reed doesn't give a squad about receivers and and you should know this from being a Dallas fan when he coached in Philly we didn't have any receivers until we got Deshaun Jackson and we had to, and between to and Deshaun Jackson we had Kevin Curtis, jason Avon, like there's nothing we had nothing care.

Speaker 2: 1:03:31

He cares about offensive line and Defensive line. He they don't care about, I mean, the defense, they don't. He doesn't care about defense. That's why you got to make shift like rookie, very young defense on that Steve Pagnol, steve Spagnol aside. But once those guys start having to get paid, you're gonna see them leave Kansas City. That's why you saw Tyreek Hill leave Kansas City. He doesn't want to pay wide receivers. And now you're that that Andy reed effect is coming into Kansas City there and and that's the stuff that I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:03:58

Patrick, my homes wants a break and everybody's trying to give him a break. Then it nobody give down to them. Mcnabbah break when he had nobody to throw to and so, and like you know, so I, I don't know man, but they got to stop. My homes has to stop and Travis Travis has to stop with the Crybaby shenanigans on the sideline. I get it, you're an emotional guy and like, but you know it's, it's, it's finally about time You're now seeing that.

Speaker 2: 1:04:22

Look, this is what happens when you win Super Bowls and you're a good team. You can't hold on to anybody and you got to start paying people. My homes, you're a half a billion dollar man. You know you're a half a billion dollar man Now you're seeing it. So that's, this is why Tom Brady would take less money and get endorsements, and Then you know you'd be the Patriots to be able to play. So I am going to take Cincinnati plus seven. I like those points. Can that young defense, although they are really good, keep up with the two good wide receivers that Cincinnati has? We'll find out.

Speaker 3: 1:04:53

Yeah, cincinnati comes off of a shellac in from Saturday night after they've been playing pretty good ball against Minnesota Jacksonville. Can. The city comes off of a loss so they haven't won the division quite yet. The bangles are still right the thick of things. They could potentially get in, but they know I should to go right for them. Can. The city has a big problem scoring points. They have not been able to score points really all year. Their defense has kept them in a lot of close games and I'm not sure if Jamar Chase is coming back this week, so that's something to keep track of.

Speaker 3: 1:05:25

But I think this line is way too heavy for the Chiefs, just like hot was for that Raiders game was minus 10, so I picked the bangles plus seven. You're gonna need Brownie to come play. Play a good game though You're, he can't not turn the ball over. You know, even though they haven't been playing well, you still cannot give the Chiefs at home actual possessions. But I think they hang within that seven and cover that plus seven. This is a big game though for a Either team. I'd say this is a big game for both teams. I think tonight loses they're pretty much toast and the. Chiefs they.

Speaker 3: 1:05:57

They're still fine to get into this thing.

Speaker 2: 1:05:59

So yeah, I mean you talked about it last week about KC potentially not winning the division if they can't get their shit together. I mean the Broncos are right on their tail. Yes, even even the yeah, I would say the V8 Raiders aren't that far apart. And Antonio Pierce, I didn't realize he's a fantastic coach. I mean he's a linebacker for the Giants and kind of race hell for the division a little bit.

Speaker 3: 1:06:22

But yeah, no, that's no, they are you crazy they need to keep him because he he grew up in captain, so he's got a bit of that Raider blood in him and you know we'll see how that goes. But he's got them playing real good. That you can at least say that much. But I can't say the only at nine wins. The Broncos lost Sunday. So they got it. They got a two game, one in a game, half a Little spread there. But the Chiefs need to win this game. They want to, you know, secure any type of good feeling right now. Well, yeah, bang was plus.

Speaker 2: 1:06:53

Yeah, so crazy, right, hunter, what do you got?

Speaker 4: 1:06:57

I'm taking the Chiefs. I think that this is their Really their last hurrah trying to do anything this season. They haven't played well, but I think that they're losing games that they now shouldn't, and last week was a prime example of that. I'm just playing really bad. I just I think that Jay Browning played good for Cincinnati, but the QC offense is really really good and I think that the Cincinnati Magic for Browning kind of ends as the Chiefs look to push the playoffs and I think the Cincinnati will kind of Trail off to end the season. So I don't know about that. That point line is weird at seven. But I definitely let the Chiefs to win this game and get a box back one.

Speaker 2: 1:07:39

All right. Next game, kurt, your team is going to Seattle, so your team's going to Seattle. It's plus three and a half point underdog. I don't. I'm gonna still Fuck your team for ditching me last week and actually winning a game when I didn't pick them, and I'm gonna go Seattle. Minus three and a half. It's in Seattle. Seattle's got a decent defense. I don't know. Is Adam's gonna be back or is Adams out for the rest of the year? Do we know?

Speaker 3: 1:08:03

they, they haven't, they haven't ruled a mouth for Sunday. Now.

Speaker 2: 1:08:08

Okay, so definitely if he comes back. I don't, I, although I like Rudolph. So when they put in Rudolph I didn't know they were gonna play Rudolph, because I like Rudolph out of all your guys's quarterbacks, like between Trubisky and pick it like I always thought he was a decent backup and he's been there the longest out of the both of them. So but I'm just out of spite, I'm picking Seattle's minus three and a half.

Speaker 3: 1:08:29

Yeah. So I looked a little into this series. In all time it's 10 10. Nobody's leading it right now. We haven't won in Seattle since 1983. So we've had a lot of troubles up there. For whatever reason, seattle's won the past couple of games with last second heroics, you know, covering just with three points. So just because of that, I do have Pittsburgh with the three and a half. Now this was a minus three, I think a plus three I'd probably go with Seattle, but I, I think this would be. This is gonna be an absolute close game, because they're both playing for the playoffs, believe it or not, just trying to make it in that seventh or sixth seed loser goes home. And I do have Pittsburgh with three and a half, I think. I think they'll probably lose. But because I don't even know who's gonna be the quarterback Sunday, hey, um, tom, one hasn't really made that decision yet.

Speaker 2: 1:09:23

So it should be, rudolph, it really should be it should be but I Know he wants to play the game. Game, give a team a heads up. Yeah, you can give the team a heads up or anything. Yeah, I keep every competitive edge oh.

Speaker 3: 1:09:38

That's. That's what he's doing, but I'm gonna say Seattle probably wins by. Like, I like Pittsburgh to hang within three.

Speaker 2: 1:09:46

All right, all right, brandon, you got anything on this game as far as Pittsburgh Seattle go, any?

Speaker 5: 1:09:51

Seattle's always tough at home. That crowd can get loud. I always go with teams based on those. I think Pittsburgh's kind of struggling at times. But I I agree with you guys Mason, rudolph and fees the quarterback. I think they stand a much greater chance. I guess it just depends on how clean the Seattle can keep Geno Smith and get those receivers going, and we know how who TJ Watt is. So I mean that might be a problem for them. So I I'd probably have to go with Seattle. I Don't know if they cover, but yeah, I'd probably have to go with Seattle though.

Speaker 2: 1:10:36

Hunter. What do you think?

Speaker 4: 1:10:39

I'll say this. I'll say if Mason Rudolph plays for Pittsburgh, I'll say plus three and a half for Pittsburgh. If it is anybody else, seattle wins minus three and a half. I think that, uh, both these teams are fighting for the playoffs. Surprisingly, I think Seattle probably has a little bit better chance to make it than Pittsburgh at this point, especially with the AC North just being what a mess that it is. But I think that it comes down to who plays a quarterback for Pittsburgh. If it's not Rudolph, then they really have no chance, especially if it's money making Mitch.

Speaker 3: 1:11:13

Oh, no, he's not playing. I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 2: 1:11:19

He's the only thing he's making. Rain is interceptions.

Speaker 3: 1:11:24

He said. He said he's ready to go. It's up to the trainers to pass them. So I Don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:11:29

I can't play picket picket is no good picket is no good, I'm sorry, picket is just no, seattle, if it's picket, it's definitely Seattle.

Speaker 2: 1:11:39

And speaking of no good, we have a great Sunday night game in Green Bay at Minnesota. Green Bay is a two-point hunter dog at Minnesota. Um, that's kind of shocking game. Yeah, I took Green Bay just because Minnesota. I know they're kind of in the hunt with the playoffs but I just I don't have any faith in what they're bringing to the table At all. I think you know Jordan love maybe tries to close it out pretty good. I honestly would just stay away from this game. I wouldn't bet it but because it's one of the prime time games are talking about it.

Speaker 4: 1:12:08

What a terrible game.

Speaker 2: 1:12:10

Yeah, it's, it's just bad. So I mean, if you guys want to touch on it, that's fine. If you don't, I get it. I understand. It's of just not a good game.

Speaker 3: 1:12:19

I think you guys are tripping, be honest.

Speaker 2: 1:12:22

I'm gonna say you have a nothing but love for Jordan. Love, we talked about this, you all, jordan love, don't at the beginning of the season, my man, okay. I was on a podcast wearing a love jersey. Amen.

Speaker 3: 1:12:33

I mean Minnesota's not trash, but they're not good, I mean they. They make things at least interesting for what it's worth considering.

Speaker 2: 1:12:42

They're down to their third string, but I'm not saying necessarily they're trash.

Speaker 3: 1:12:47

I'm gonna ride the Green Bay plus two. I mean right now, as it stands, there's literally a game between the seventh, six, eighth and 19 which consists of Ram, seattle, vikings and Green Bay. So those four are all gonna get bummed up. They're all bummed up right now, so this game is kind of for the playoffs. But I Don't know. I mean Minnesota was only a throw away from being Detroit last week, so I don't know, it's weird. It's a weird division.

Speaker 2: 1:13:16

That's a weird division. That's a division game. This is also a division game.

Speaker 3: 1:13:21

So yeah, give me. Green Bay plus two give me Green Bay plus two Brand.

Speaker 2: 1:13:30

You got anything to add to this? This garbage ass game or?

Speaker 5: 1:13:34

Fine, justin Jefferson. That's the key of the game like no, I'll be honest, like that's the best chance he's got. I mean, I.

Speaker 5: 1:13:46

Jordan Addison. You know he could also be a relief valve Actually Ty Chandler he's. If they lean on him in the run game, I think you know he can easily have one of those Magical nights and send them into the playoffs. So I'd probably go with the Vikings to cover. I like them at home. A lot of things are Are training up for them, especially with Justin Jefferson coming back and coming back strong last week. So yeah, I'd have to go with the Vikings.

Speaker 2: 1:14:17

Um, and so I mean for all the set games. That's pretty much it, but I got a couple of um, I guys. I gave you a little hint at what one of my random games was. And so my three random games I'm going with Miami and Baltimore. I'm going Miami plus three and a half, like I said after after playing, going out to San Francisco, playing San Francisco.

Speaker 2: 1:14:35

It's really tough to win that next game. Miami had a nice easy breeze at home with the Dallas Cowboys, so you know they're all right. And then for my second game I'm going San Francisco at Washington 12 and a half. Now the same can be said with Baltimore. When you get your ass beaten, you play a tough Baltimore team. It's really hard to win the next week. Not saying that San Francisco will lose, but I think maybe Washington gives it a little more closer, gets it a little more closer than 12 and a half points. That, um, they are, they are getting there. And then my last one is because I want this is a must win for the LA Rams. It's a minus four and a half. I think they cover that against the New York Giants. I massed effort has been on fire. Pukinakua is kind of lighten it up.

Speaker 2: 1:15:18

So Gimme, yeah, give me yeah, kind of kind of yeah, give me the Rams minus four and a half to beat the Giants and, like I said with, with that game, I think, when they, when the Giants get beat by the LA Rams I think that's it they're gonna mail it in and lose that last game for a higher draft pick for next week, but that'll be next week. Those are my three random games. What do you guys got?

Speaker 3: 1:15:40

Yeah, I have the Las Vegas Raiders plus three and a half at Indianapolis. You know that team, that defense, has really been playing well the past couple of weeks, like for defensive touchdowns and bad to bat games. That's crazy. The Colts, I mean they beat us pretty bad and then they got pretty much handed by Atlanta.

Speaker 3: 1:16:03

I don't know what to make of that, but those little tiny buy-in to get into the playoffs. So I like the Raiders with three and a half. Don't know who wins it, but I think that'd be a field goal. Ton of game, kind of pumping game. And then I have Atlanta plus three against Chicago. Atlanta's really good at stopping the run. That's what Chicago does is run the ball. So then they kind of neutralizes and kind of a weird game. But no reason that I can't stay within three.

Speaker 3: 1:16:29

Especially since Atlanta is trying to win that division. Oh, for sure that NFC South division.

Speaker 2: 1:16:35

Yeah, fucking SEC division is what it is. Just put them in there with Alabama and Georgia Hunter, you got anything. Got a couple random games at all or anything like that.

Speaker 4: 1:16:47

Yeah, I had the range, or one of mine minus four and a half for us, the Giants. I think it's a really important game and that's kind of the thing that I went with. Because I also took the Jags minus six and a half. I think they're at eight and seven. They got a little sniff the playoffs and the Panthers at two and thirteen just want to lose as much as they can. So I'll take the Jags minus the six and a half there and then obviously Atlanta, and especially with how important this game is for them to try to win the division, I think them playing lackluster bears team, I would definitely have to go with them plus the three.

Speaker 2: 1:17:24

Okay, all right, brandon, anything to chime in on those random games that any of us picked, any of those you're going to be watching or keeping an eye on to see how they unfold, or anything that interests you um, I mean, like you would kind of said, about the san francisco and uh washington game.

Speaker 5: 1:17:40

That's going to be an interesting game to watch, just because you know the roll of dice, for, as a dales fan, maybe there's something that comes from that. And the eagles game probably not. Commanders love to stay in games just to lose them. Uh, that's kind of their, their mo this year. This is. You know, I Really don't see them beating the San Francisco 49ers this weekend.

Speaker 3: 1:18:04

Um, they also went to uh jacobi preset. They benched him. How.

Speaker 2: 1:18:10

Yeah, yeah dude, he's had like the best quarterback stats like of the year and they bench him.

Speaker 4: 1:18:16

Like, wasn't he?

Speaker 2: 1:18:16

strong like the most yards or something like that.

Speaker 3: 1:18:18

I think it's from all those.

Speaker 2: 1:18:24

I stop watching after they play this. I stop watching Right. Their last hope for me. Their last hope for me is when they played dallas on thanksgiving. Once they got smacked around I was like nah, I'm done, Wow.

Speaker 5: 1:18:41

We go, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:18:43

Oh, go ahead, you uh other than that, because I was gonna move on.

Speaker 5: 1:18:46

Yeah, I was gonna move on too, so go ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:18:49

Yeah, I was gonna say who's your MVP right now of the league who After last uh weekend with uh brock purdy thrown four interceptions.

Speaker 5: 1:18:58

I mean I probably would have went with him. Um, oh man, that's a tough one. Yeah, I like tyreek and what he's done this year, but with that injury that he had, you know he's missed a game and you know he's kind of not on course to hit this uh two grand yards this year. I don't know.

Speaker 5: 1:19:19

Yeah, the way lamar, I know a lot of people have said like he doesn't have the numbers to backup of mvp, but you know the way he plays at times. I really think, even though he has a complete team, um, he could definitely be up there, um.

Speaker 2: 1:19:36

No, now why hasn't cmc came across the board here with you? Why has that not been one of your names yet? Is it because he's a running back? It's. It's because he's a white running back, isn't he? You don't expect the white running back, the mvp.

Speaker 5: 1:19:50

If I was, uh, commissioner leaguer or you know, I had All the influence over who wins mvp, you know I would definitely put him in the mix, but I'm just going with Realistics that you know most people don't pick a running back. If it were me, I would probably definitely pick him.

Speaker 5: 1:20:07

You know, he, yeah, exactly quarterbacks to sexy position. They have the ball in their hands every single play. So, of course, give it to the quarterback, right? No, I, I think, uh, christian mcaffery should definitely be up there. He's, uh, changed the game with the panthers, he changed the game with the 49ers. Um, you know, he's a complete player. I mean, even if they gave him the ball to pass it, I bet you could probably throw some dimes.

Speaker 2: 1:20:32

So so you know, mvp is always most valuable player, right. So you got to take everything to an effect and I like lemar, I really do. He does a lot of good things. Um, that defense helps him the most. But valuable. If you take lemar off the team and put in, I see it with because it's quarterbacks, it's really hard to say because, like you said, the quarterback is sexy. But if you took christian mcaffery off of the san francisco 49ers, they're at least a four seat. They're a four seat playoff team, unless the runners get hot. Yeah, I mean, without christian mcaffery, brock purdy is o and three or o and three this season without christian mcaffery.

Speaker 5: 1:21:08

Um and even uh, the reason.

Speaker 5: 1:21:13

Even the reason Brock Purdy you know, like even is in the conversation for MVP and you know I'll say this all day is because you know you look at the weapons all around him, you look at the protection he's getting. He's got the most complete offense in the NFC, you know, and probably in the NFC too, other than the Baltimore Ravens, and you know Baltimore just showed, you know how much better that they can be than the 49ers. I honestly believe that that could be a Super Bowl preview again. So I think those guys could go at it again in the Super Bowl. But yeah, I think that's why mostly why Purdy was in the conversation to begin with, not that I think he's a bad quarterback, he's a good quarterback.

Speaker 2: 1:21:53

No. They got fine in him but, but if you put if you, if you take everybody but the quarterback and put it on another team like any other team with any other quarterback, it's, you're going to get this almost the same results. Yes, yeah. Kurt, you look a little funky there, you don't think so?

Speaker 3: 1:22:11

I mean I'm on defense about it. I mean that was a very poor showing from Purdy on Monday night. But I mean this is just what the Ravens defense does to people, though man, I've seen it all year. That defense is no joke. A couple of those balls weren't his fault. I mean, some of them are batted up in the air. This bad shit happens. But I think San Fran has got away from their game how they've been winning games, which is running the ball and then working some play action off of that.

Speaker 3: 1:22:40

But you know, he forced some Everybody's defense, everybody's defense.

Speaker 2: 1:22:44

Yeah, everybody's defense, like the defensive plan should be against the Niners. It's the number one. Stop Christian McCaffrey. That should be bottom line. That should be it. Like that should be the goal, because you take him out of the game and that's it. But the problem is, is he's such a cheat code and that's why he should be MVP. He's such a cheat code that it's hard to stop him from doing anything.

Speaker 3: 1:23:03

Like he just makes shit happen. It really is man. He's incredible.

Speaker 2: 1:23:08

And it's not this game that I the four interception games. That does happen to quarterbacks and I'm not saying like, oh, brock Purdy's trash because of that. But, like I said, I'm going off of the fact when Christian McCaffrey wasn't in for the Niners, just kind of proves like it's Christian McCaffrey not Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy doesn't do anything for Christian McCaffrey and Christian McCaffrey does everything for Brock Purdy. I mean, even last year, let's before the Niners, the Niners were suspect before they got CMC. That's why they went and got him, because they were like, hey, we're kind of on the scale to like we can be dominant, like we're a good team, we're a good team, but we're not a dominant great team, just yet.

Speaker 3: 1:23:42

They go out and get Christian McCaffrey. He puts them over the top.

Speaker 2: 1:23:46

Correct.

Speaker 3: 1:23:47

And they don't have a quarterback to make an afford them. Yeah, and that's why for me, he should be MVP. The Lamar, the Lamar love is just, it's so. How can we crown somebody MVP with 19 passes and touchdowns and seven interceptions?

Speaker 2: 1:24:06

You can't.

Speaker 3: 1:24:07

Are you kidding me? That's a little over. Passing touchdown a game, come on, I understand, you know, but we can do that with any quarterback. How many you know what would Houston be? What would Philadelphia be? What would Dallas be? And that's ridiculous. And he's what he leads all quarterbacks, all quarterbacks and rushing with seven, eight, like 700 yards and five touchdowns. But I mean shit if all I gotta do is throw one touchdown. My defense does the work and he only, he only accounts for 60% of his team's touchdowns. Like, they also have a good running game, even though they've lost running backs. Jk Dobbins, they lost to Andrews for the season. But I can't there's. When you look at the past seasons, there's no way this is an MVP season from Lamar I said absolutely be Tyree killer or CMAC. That's, that's my opinion. It absolutely should be one of those.

Speaker 2: 1:25:00

And and coincidentally, tyree kills not even in the top three, it's, it's Lamar, christian McCaffrey and Tua. Like I don't think Tua should be mentioned at all. Like I get it, but who's who is Tua without Tyree kill? We saw that when Tyree Hill wasn't in. He was suspect.

Speaker 3: 1:25:15

When Tyree went down against Tennessee, they lost against the Titans. They're probably, they probably have it that way because, see, since Baltimore plays Miami for the first seed this Sunday, that's why they have two up there, because somehow, if the Dolphins win, tua will be right up in that conversation. Hell yeah, not just his number on this hunger as well, but a lot of that, a lot of that is related to the Tyreeka fact, I mean you just throw.

Speaker 2: 1:25:42

You just throw to the guy you just throw to the guy.

Speaker 3: 1:25:46

As he's in motion, he runs against 15. Like he's a, he's a cheat code, just like CMAC. It has to be one of those two. I don't care about the quarterbacks, I don't. I'm sure nobody has played way superior than the next. The gap is not that massive, nope.

Speaker 4: 1:26:02

Yeah, I think that I completely agree with that. I was going to say Tyree kill or Christian McCaffrey for sure, if I had to be a quarterback it's definitely Lamar. He's definitely looked the best, but even that it's not really MVP worthy numbers. He's had it. They've had a couple of quarterbacks that have had a good season, maybe even, you know, probably not even anybody that's really even looked great. Honestly, just a whole bunch of good seasons. And then you compare that to what'd you just say 2000 yards for Tyree kill and then whatever the hell Chris McCaffrey has literally carrying the Niners by himself. Pretty much Damn near. Um. I think those guys are just far and away way more deserving.

Speaker 2: 1:26:46

And um, I don't know, I don't know, I don't think, lamar they'll give it to somebody.

Speaker 2: 1:26:51

Yeah, I'm going to be honest, I don't. Lamar is not even in my top three quarterbacks to get the MVP. To be honest with you, I mean, if I'm going to give it to a quarterback, I mean Dax up there, regardless of the teams that he's beaten, you can't deny the stats that he's had this season so far. If you're going to go off of stats so he blows Lamar out of the water, bad teams are no, you know, are no bad teams. And then I mean it's it's a tie for two, for either I mean Brock Purdy or Jalen Hertz. I mean they've. Jalen Hertz had a little bit of a slide, but he has. He has some comeback wins that he is the reason why they drove down the field. I know it's the tush push, but he breaks an NFL record for rushing touchdowns for a quarterback. And then, and then it's me, you know to, and Lamar.

Speaker 2: 1:27:32

I mean I mean Purdy Josh Allen had such a bad he was. When you get called Joe Allen and Jack Allen for half a season, it's kind of hard to make the case to be MVP at the end.

Speaker 3: 1:27:45

I mean it is, but look at their second half. No, he's still at the same time.

Speaker 2: 1:27:53

I know, though, but, like for MVP, you got to be consistent through the year and that's kind of the thing there, like it's poor, poor guy, it's all right. Maybe next year he got the mat and cover. Let him have the. Let him. He's handling the mat.

Speaker 4: 1:28:03

It was the curse he's handling that mat and curse pretty well. That curse Pretty well this year, so that's what happens.

Speaker 2: 1:28:10

Yeah Well, all right guys. Thanks for rolling through. Brandon Thanks for coming. Hunter, thanks for actually showing up this week.

Speaker 2: 1:28:16

You know I appreciate it. Don't forget to tip your. Don't forget to tip your strippers and Kurt. As always, that was great and if you enjoyed this episode of the Shackle Up podcast the Shackle Up podcast, please go like and subscribe and review the episodes. You can write it right there on Apple podcasts and it helps people find the podcast that are looking for a goofy comedy, funny, not so serious, doesn't know what they're talking about. Take us with a grain of salt type information. You can go ahead and follow us on all of our social medias like Facebook, tiktok, twitter. Annie of Anthony has a Twitter. Go follow Kurt and Hunter at Made on Ridgeway Sports podcast on all social medias. Kurt on Blitzberg podcast. Hunter on behind enemy or no, inside enemy territory it's my bad, hunter, go follow those knuckleheads on Twitter. Brandon, do you have any social media you'd like to tell the people about?

Speaker 5: 1:29:04

No, you can just find me in the comment section just watching all the other commenters just tear at each other and their other team. So no.

Speaker 2: 1:29:12

So you go, look those guys up and have a great day everyone.