Records & Real Estate Podcast
Andy Farag’s Musically Seasoned Journey from Drum Circles in Bloomington to Esteemed Percussionist of Umphrey’s McGee
Let's take a trip down memory lane, as Karen and Andrew reconnect with Andy Farag, the incredible percussionist from Umphrey’s McGee. Remember those legendary Thursday night parties from our college days at Indiana University? Well, they're back, along with fascinating anecdotes about Andy's musical journey, from his first drum set at 16 to his current iconic career. And let's not forget to mention Mike Miro's unforgettable influence in Andy's life and his eventual move to South Bend to join Umphrey’s McGee.
Prepare to have your musical horizons broadened as we uncover the diverse world of doo-wop, classic rock, hip-hop, and jazz that has shaped our lives. Get some fresh tunes on your playlist with the unique sounds of High Fade, a Scottish rock-funk band, and Fontaine's DC, an Irish pop-punk band. Santana's impact on Andy’s development as a percussionist, the need for self-regulation in a band, and our collective love for Chicago’s music scene will be our shared soundtrack.
Now, who doesn't love a good barbecue? Hear the story behind Andy Farag's signature barbecue rub, its evolution, and some mouthwatering uses for summer grilling. We'll then take you through the chaotic yet exhilarating world of music festivals. Andrew’s experiences at the High Sierra Music Festival and Lollapalooza, the pros and cons of music festivals, and the indelible effect of bands like Beautiful Engines are all part of this rollercoaster ride. So, kick back and let the good times roll!
Have someone you think should be a guest on this podcast? Let us know! Email your suggestions over to: karen.sandvoss@berealtygroup.com, andrew.wendt@berealtygroup.com
Connect with Karen and Andrew at Be Realty: Be Realty Group
Email the Show: karen.sandvoss@berealtygroup.com
Guest: Andy Farag
Link: Umphrey's McGee.com
Link: Frontera Grill/Rick Bayless
Link: Indiana University
Link: Bluebird
Link: Andy's Ripping Rub
Link: Sydney Marovitz
Link: South Bend
Link: Potbelly
Link: Lollapalooza
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Production House: Flint Stone Media
Copyright of Be Realty Group 2023.
Let's take a trip down memory lane, as Karen and Andrew reconnect with Andy Farag, the incredible percussionist from Umphrey’s McGee. Remember those legendary Thursday night parties from our college days at Indiana University? Well, they're back, along with fascinating anecdotes about Andy's musical journey, from his first drum set at 16 to his current iconic career. And let's not forget to mention Mike Miro's unforgettable influence in Andy's life and his eventual move to South Bend to join Umphrey’s McGee.
Prepare to have your musical horizons broadened as we uncover the diverse world of doo-wop, classic rock, hip-hop, and jazz that has shaped our lives. Get some fresh tunes on your playlist with the unique sounds of High Fade, a Scottish rock-funk band, and Fontaine's DC, an Irish pop-punk band. Santana's impact on Andy’s development as a percussionist, the need for self-regulation in a band, and our collective love for Chicago’s music scene will be our shared soundtrack.
Now, who doesn't love a good barbecue? Hear the story behind Andy Farag's signature barbecue rub, its evolution, and some mouthwatering uses for summer grilling. We'll then take you through the chaotic yet exhilarating world of music festivals. Andrew’s experiences at the High Sierra Music Festival and Lollapalooza, the pros and cons of music festivals, and the indelible effect of bands like Beautiful Engines are all part of this rollercoaster ride. So, kick back and let the good times roll!
Have someone you think should be a guest on this podcast? Let us know! Email your suggestions over to: karen.sandvoss@berealtygroup.com, andrew.wendt@berealtygroup.com
Connect with Karen and Andrew at Be Realty: Be Realty Group
Email the Show: karen.sandvoss@berealtygroup.com
Guest: Andy Farag
Link: Umphrey's McGee.com
Link: Frontera Grill/Rick Bayless
Link: Indiana University
Link: Bluebird
Link: Andy's Ripping Rub
Link: Sydney Marovitz
Link: South Bend
Link: Potbelly
Link: Lollapalooza
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Production House: Flint Stone Media
Copyright of Be Realty Group 2023.
Welcome to Records in Real Estate, a podcast about well records in real estate. You'll be entertained and informed as we explore the intersection of these two worlds through interviews with Chicago's most interesting and successful people from both industries.
Speaker 2:That was Andrew Wendt and I'm Karen Sanvoss. We are Chicago Real Estate Brokers, property Managers, avid Music Lovers and your hosts of Records in Real Estate. Hi, karen.
Speaker 1:Andrew, how are you Good? Well, we just had a lovely conversation. Yes, probably our. You know, our biggest star, yeah, our biggest star, yeah, andy Farrag.
Speaker 2:We're on our way to Obama.
Speaker 1:I guess if we keep putting it out there, maybe it'll happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the universe does provide.
Speaker 1:That's right yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Andy Farrag.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Andy Farrag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're percussionists.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which. It was a conversation that, just you know, stirred my soul in that musical way. I love talking shop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was definitely a great conversation, a lot about music, as it should be, and you know you guys are kindred spirits and that you both bang on things.
Speaker 2:That's true in different ways, yes, but yeah, it was fun to hear about his beginnings and all the connections that you guys have with college days and whatnot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, and you've recently started to listen to them a little bit. What are your impressions?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel dumb for not knowing who they were before.
Speaker 1:Oh well, I mean honest. I mean they are well known in jam band circles, but you know, which is a circle that I have not.
Speaker 2:The Venn diagram of my life has not intersected with that circle.
Speaker 1:Right Until now. Until now.
Speaker 2:I have never had them to be astoundingly good. Their musicianship is just amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I liken them to a certain band that I will let the listener just kind of listen to.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure. They are all supremely talented musicians, and that has been true since the beginning.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and every song is just a new adventure, and so it sounds like a very fun band to be in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have lots of fun, lots of lots of inside jokes.
Speaker 2:But yet they have a discipline that I was not expecting from a band that has that much longevity. Oh, maybe that is the reason why they have the longevity that they do, because they really hone their craft over and over again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty great, yeah, who knows? I mean, you know a lot of these jam bands. They do last a long time, but you know they're producing a lot of new music still, which is, you know, a testament to their creativity and their output. And you know it's fun to grow with a band like that.
Speaker 2:Well, shall we? Let's do it.
Speaker 1:All right, here we go. Well, we're here with Andy Farrag, the percussionist for Humphreys McGee. Thanks, andy, for joining us. Thanks for having me, absolutely yeah, and we just kind of dive into where you and I met, which was at Indiana University. Yeah, specifically a house on the corner of First and Henderson First and Henderson, and you lived there. Right, I did, yeah, and you know I was a freshman, but the, you know, the guys you were living with, I think, were mostly sophomores and they had epic Thursday night parties.
Speaker 3:Thursday nighters. I remember those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, it's a random night to have a party.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we always said like Thursday is the new Friday, that's right. That's what we were saying yeah, dude, thursday is new Friday. Man, come on.
Speaker 1:You know, it's honestly stuck with me my entire life.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, if I'm drinking during the week, it's always on Thursday. I'll take Friday off, you know. Maybe have some drinks Saturday too, but usually Thursday I still go out.
Speaker 2:That's when you kick it off. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I don't have class on Friday, you know. So you can really go after it on Thursday, but back then, not knowing what I was seeing, you would lead these like epic drum circles, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I remember that. And I also remember this dude from Spain. It's this teacher, ehrman. Uh-huh, remember Ehrman. Yeah, he would come over and he knew, like classical guitar and we just jam. Yeah, and like all the girls loved Ehrman.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. They loved with him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, those drum circles really like it got me more creative in just hearing other people play. And especially IU, where you know a couple of those people were in the music school and I was wanting to get in to that music school. You know, at the time before I joined Umphreys, you know I went to IU to try, and you know, to get a music degree. So that really opened my eyes big time, you know. Plus, it was where I lived. Everybody just came over. It was a great time. Yeah, Easy for you, Super easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, had you. I mean you were. So you were playing drums or percussion prior to getting in IU.
Speaker 3:Oh, let's see, I started. I started when I was like 16 and a half, okay, and then I went to this percussion festival, berkeley College of Music in Boston, and it was like a two week like just percussion crash course, and so that's where I like really got dove deep into percussion. And then after I graduated high school, well, I met Mike Miro in high school and played, just jammed out with him in my basement back where I grew up, crown Point, and so once I got that I wanted to go to IU to get in music school, but then, playing with Humphreys, I'd start driving up to South Bend every weekend and then, you know, sooner or later I just I'd moved up to South Bend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you kind of you wouldn't, I don't know, you tell me, but maybe you accomplished what did you want to, what you wanted to accomplish by going to the music school. Anyways, and yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3:I guess I you know. The one thing that I remember too was like I really wanted to go and go to school in Bloomington. You know that's where I wanted to be. I'd visited there in high school, yeah, it was just. It was a cool place and knew that I wanted to go to college there. And then I was only there for a year. I was there for like a spring semester and a fall semester and I met all you guys and we were like tight crew, right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:We're all hanging out in each other's houses and everything, and then, you know, a year goes by and then I'm just like traveling up to South Bend, so much. And then boom yeah, and before you know we're like traveling all over the country, you know, in Humphreys. So it was kind of those few years just kind of a lot happened. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3:How did?
Speaker 2:you join the band? Did you have to audition what was?
Speaker 3:So Mike Miro, our original drummer, I went to high school with, and Joel, our keyboardist. They had a band called Stopper Bob at Notre Dame and Mike was a year older than me so he had already graduated, I was still in high school and they had it was just like college rock. It was like, you know, your basic kind of college cheese rock, you know, yeah, a lot of people enjoyed it and so I would sit in with them every once in a while. I like a drive when I was still in high school, so I just drive like an hour to South Bend, play these shows in like bars and stuff, and then drive back and, you know, go to school the next day, wow. So Mike and Joel ended up quitting that band and joined with Brendan and Brian, our guitarist and bass player. They had another band. They also quit that band. Those four joined and made Elm Fries McGee.
Speaker 3:So you know, once that happened I was like, well, you know, that was fun doing the Stopper Bob thing and college rock and all that, and I don't like Mike Miro just kind of still was asking me to come and jam out with these guys, and so that was around the time that I went down to Bloomington and so I don't know, if you remember, I was driving up every weekend to South Bend to play gigs, yeah, yeah, and that was the only place we were playing gigs with South Bend. So I was driving up every weekend and then eventually, I think like six months after all, that a couple of the guys just said, hey, man, you should just move up here permanently and join the band. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds good.
Speaker 2:How far is that drive?
Speaker 3:from. It's like four and a half hours.
Speaker 2:All right, so that's a chunk of time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I remember I had my six disc CD changer and just packed that thing full CDs and be ready to go. What was in it? Oh man, I think it's interesting to tons of jazz like Grant Green, jimmy Smith, wes Montgomery, charlie Hunter, what else I like? Go back and look at my CD books, go back and listen to all that stuff too, and they're just so worn out and just listening to them so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially when you're driving and you're putting the CDs in a place and you're trying not to scratch them Right.
Speaker 3:They fall on the floor yeah.
Speaker 2:So did you have trouble like any trouble getting into the clubs, as you were 16 when you started.
Speaker 3:Like you were 21 or under 18? Yeah, when I started playing gigs I was probably I was like 18. So there was one time in South Bend where I was using one of my friend's ID because they were really strict even with like musicians coming into play, Because any other bar that I played in South Bend they never gave me any problems. And I remember my friend gave me his ID and we looked nothing alike, Like nothing alike. And he just looks at this, he looks at the ID, he looks at me and he's like the whole bar is like we got one, we got one. I'm just like, wow, this guy is really serious about his job.
Speaker 3:And so that was the only time I ever had any problems. Other than that it was just always kind of like the sun-ridden roll, Like if you're a musician, like you can still play in a bar. You know, right, Totally.
Speaker 2:I'd like I have to just point out that when you told me about you know, told us about your origin story, and you said I was 16 and a half.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That seems like a very specific thing. How did you remember that you were 16 and a half? What was the half about?
Speaker 3:Well, because I was in.
Speaker 3:I remember I was in 16 and a half, so I would have been a sophomore in high school.
Speaker 3:And that was like when I met Mike through another friend, dombrowski, who I had a Spanish class with, and so it was like I was like a sophomore when I really started getting into. Because I met Mike I think my freshman year in high school, but when I was a sophomore, like kind of halfway in the year, I remember just jamming out with him. I just knew I wanted to play drums, but Mike already played drums and I remember listening to a lot of like Beastie Boys and they had these instrumental tracks that had a lot of percussion in it and it really just caught my ear and just really sounded interesting. I thought, well, you know, I can jam out with Mike if I like start playing these other like hand drums and stuff, and so he would just come over and bring his drum set over to my basement and we'd just jam out. And so I just remember it wasn't the beginning of my sophomore, it was like somewhere halfway Plus you were driving right so you had to be a drive and age.
Speaker 1:at least that's right.
Speaker 2:Get your license.
Speaker 1:Any good Miro stories you want to share with the crowd? I mean, I know there's a lot of Miro stories, plenty of Miro stories. I'll start with one. You can think of it. You know Mike was a I'm Freeze original drummer and you know he would come down to Bloomington because of the Scott Dombrovsky who Andy mentioned. And it was one time where we went to play disc golf early in the morning, not because we had woken up early but because we were still up and man, he was just, he was just playing, like just absolute. You know he was playing terrible.
Speaker 2:I couldn't figure out which way you were going.
Speaker 1:I was going to give away the punchline but he, every time he would throw, he would just yell dog shit, dog shit, just like. And it was just, it was 18 holes of just dog shit. Yeah, but it was. I mean he stuck with the bit he was. It was, he was dog shit Consistent. He was going to let everybody know. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Is it one of those things that you know that it's dog shit as soon as you release the? I'm assuming it's a Frisbee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never been good at disc golf. I've played a few times in college, but but yeah, I mean yeah, it's like bowling, you can tell right away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as soon as you release the ball.
Speaker 3:I mean man. So many good Meryl stories. I remember I could go back to high school when he was coming over to jam once and he comes, comes into my house and he's like Farragh man. I fell asleep sitting in the sun. I was over my buddy's pool and I think I got a little burnt. Man, can you check on my back? I looked at his back and it was like blistering.
Speaker 2:He's an Irish he's Irish, you know, he's got that fair skin.
Speaker 3:He was just blistering. I'm like, dude, you might need to go to the hospital. And he's like no man just, and I like had this. He like bought Alvaro. He brought it with and he was like, hey man, could you just put this all over my back? I literally took this whole bottle of Alvaro and just slathered it all over his back. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Probably saved his life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was like that day.
Speaker 2:He was like he owes you. That's amazing.
Speaker 3:Now, mike was. Mike was a hilarious individual. He was always joking around, keeping situations light yeah, maybe. If they got too serious, he was always the one to just keep things in a in a joking mood. Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 1:It was a lot of fun. I missed that guy, yeah for sure. I mean when he quit the band or you know, was it tougher when he passed away.
Speaker 3:Man, that's tough. I mean when he left, when he quit the band, it was a shock to me and obviously all the rest of us. But yeah, it was just much tougher when, when he passed. You know it was unfortunate. But I think of great memories still when I, when I play certain rhythms, still to this day. You know those are things that me and him worked on back in the day when we were living together in South Bend. So you know, and I always think of him when I'm, when I'm just playing music all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he still has a big influence on you and the band and everybody, definitely. Well, what about Andy's last beer? Is that a? Is that a Miro influenced tune?
Speaker 3:No, well, I'll tell you the story of that. The lyrics themselves have nothing to do with me, or my last beer. At least I don't think. At least that's what Brennan told me. So we had, we had the song, brennan had the lyrics, and we used to do these shows at Dead Creek Campground for the fish shows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was at one of those.
Speaker 3:So it was just this campground during the fish shows at what was used to be called Deer Creek. I think we still call it Deer Creek. Yeah, we all still call it Deer Creek. And we were just, we played the show and we're just hanging out at our tent or whatever our site and I don't know. I was just. It was at the end of the night. I was like I grab a beer. I was like guys, this is my last beer, brennan's like that's it, man, andy's last beer. I'm like what are you talking about? That's the name of the song. All right, man, whatever.
Speaker 3:At that point I think we were trying to figure out a name and nobody could agree on anything. We have tons of songs like that that just have just don't make any sense of what the lyrics are or if it's an instrumental song. We have a song, Ms Tinkles Overture. It's very complex, like a lot of parts kind of song, and Ms Tinkles is a nickname for Joel, because he tinkled on somebody's pillow in our van a long time ago, because when you're in a van traveling long distances people have to use the bathroom and they have to use the bathroom in like a bottle or something and, like you, hit a bump. So, Joel, he'd accidentally peed on somebody's pillow. This is a story we've told many times so we'll be surprised if you listen to this.
Speaker 3:He's now Ms Tinkles. Of course we need a song after that, yeah absolutely you have to.
Speaker 1:That's what a band of 25 years does. Congratulations on making it 25 years. It's a big accomplishment.
Speaker 3:It seems like it's been 25 years, but then at the same time, it seems like it's just gone so fast.
Speaker 1:Eventually you guys moved beyond South Bend and I was fortunate enough and our friends were fortunate enough to see you at least once a month down in Bloomington at Bluebird or wherever it was.
Speaker 3:Man, I just found a picture of us the first time we played. Oh man, help me remember the name of this the grassy area.
Speaker 1:First show in Bloomington. It was like Dun Meadow or something like that. Yeah, Dun Meadow.
Speaker 3:I remember and it's a picture of me, stacey Camero, and I remember I don't know six or seven people were there. It was for an ice cream social or something for some frown house or something.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you, nick, are, crew were there.
Speaker 3:I remember taking a promo pack to the Bluebird, like back when we did these promo packs, like an envelope with our CD and pictures and all this. I remember Dave Kubiak, the owner, was just like. I gave it to him he's like, all right, I'll take a look. And just never got back to me. Oh yeah, because it was like early on. Of course he doesn't want to book bands, I'm not going to bring people in, so I understood that. But then now the Bluebird. I think we played there the most of any venue we've ever played in, absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah played at a lot of shows there, yeah.
Speaker 2:Are the audiences that you have now, since you've been together for so long? Are they diehard fans that have been with you from the beginning, or is it a mix of old and new?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean there's definitely a crew of people that have been around for a long time and then, yeah, so I'd say there's a mix. There's definitely a crew of people that have been there a long time, but then there's new faces that you see as well, and over the course of 25 years you'll see the same people in the front row for years and years, and then they'll just kind of disappear, and then some new people that travel five, six, seven shows in a row will come out. It's just an evolution of life too. It's like people are in this part of their life where they just want to go see shows all the time, go on tour, and then they settle down and have kids and do other things. So it's an ever-evolving thing. We're always trying to get young fans, and I think we have a good mix of young and old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a very accessible sound, as I was. I'm a newbie, I will fully admit, but just listening to the thing I thought about this morning. It's all the great things about Steely Dan without any of the creepiness. I know A lot of creepy things Just a fantastic musicianship, really good songwriting, the whole thing.
Speaker 1:But, Steely. Dan is creepy to me, steely Dan is creepy, it's like Shag carpeting in a van kind of creepy. I just don't like it. Oh, just like the image of Steely Dan, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know, there's just something weird about it that freaks me out a little bit.
Speaker 3:The Donald Fagan kind of looks like a vampire yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, they'd look a little creepy themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's, I don't know. I'm not off about it.
Speaker 1:So Well, you're also a you know sort of a Prague rock fan, which you know don't want to speak for you. Yeah, that seems to be one of your influences.
Speaker 2:Definitely. Yep, totally. Yeah, that was introduced to me from a friend of mine because that was not always my always the case, but he got into Rush and really showed me. You know that whole side of life.
Speaker 3:Those are big influences on us. Rush and, yes, frank Zappa, and you know all those, all those bands.
Speaker 1:Who are you listening to now, man? Or is it the type of thing where you like you play music and your day job and don't really listen to it much?
Speaker 3:No, because we've gotten that, you know, from other guests before yeah.
Speaker 3:I listened to. You know I listened to a lot of Spotify and I try and they they're good at like well, they're not good at paying artists, Nope, Nope, but they're good at. It's a good avenue to find new music and I just enjoy listening to new stuff. I enjoy all the older stuff, Like when I was high school and college and even after that it was a lot of.
Speaker 3:I went through phases of like I listened to a lot of hip hop in the 90s and then went to, started listening to a lot of classic rock and then just went through that whole catalog of classic rock, Although I should go way, way back and say that my dad was a concert promoter and he has his own like doo-wop band. So I really I grew up on like doo-wop and oldies music. Oh wow, Nice, no-transcript, you know it was just around, it wasn't like I searched it out, I just would hear it all the time, Right and so. So then I got into hip hop, classic rock, listened to a lot of jazz, you know, listened to a lot of different stuff and nowadays I just I listen to still a hip hop, older hip hop and R&B and jazz and any new stuff, Like I just love hearing new music. There's this band and I'm from Scotland right now called High Fade, Okay, and they're very like rock. It's like rock funk. Okay. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, Very cool stuff. They're starting to gain a little momentum right now.
Speaker 1:Nice, we've. You know, since we've started this podcast, our musical horizons have expanded. I've really gotten into punk, which I never thought I would ever get into and I just it didn't fit my ear when I was growing up. And there's a Irish kind of pop punk band called Fontaine's DC. Cool they're. They're pretty good. Where are they from? Ireland? Oh, cool that part of the world. You know you have these musical influences. Your fans of you know your particular music and I'm sure you know all of your bandmates have their own particularities. But it comes together into this output that, like, how does it translate? How does, like, your musical taste translate into the music that you guys produce on stage or in the studio?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think, just like when I'm listening to any kind of music, really I'm listening to everything that's going on in the song, but you know, if there's percussion or something, I'm really honing in on that and and just kind of not analyzing it too much, but just you know, taking mental notes of, you know different players and their ideas and stuff, and then you know cause I could take, I could go listen to some R&B record that's got some percussion in it and take that and put it to some prog rock track that we got, you know, and it wouldn't be the same parts that I'm playing, it's just coming up with certain ideas that can still work.
Speaker 3:That's the great thing about percussion, I think, is that whether it's added to jazz, r&b, country, rock and roll, it all you know it all kind of works. I find it a good challenge to try and incorporate a lot of my styles into a rock band, because it's not always. You know the way my instrument or instruments were kind of developed. It was through Latin music and African music and Afro-Cuban, and you know all that salsa stuff and you know, listening to Santana a group like Santana was extremely helpful to hear these Latin rhythms incorporated into rock and roll. So I took a lot of stuff from Santana's percussionists and so you know it's a little bit of a challenge and my setup now kind of incorporates a lot of like not just Afro-Cuban stuff but more like drum set stuff as well, like drum set toms and things like that.
Speaker 2:Do you ever do like, just like sit down kit anymore, is it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I play drum kit and I do a few gigs. Brennan and Jake do a holiday show every year. I play drums and a few little you know side gig drum gigs. Yeah, I enjoy playing kit. I'm not like I'm not a Chris Meyers on the drum kit he's a beast but yeah, I enjoy it. It keeps me very well rounded. For sure I think it helps me in percussion because it like kind of opens me up a little bit because percussion there's a lot of stops and starts and you really know how, really need to know when to lay out a lot with percussion, be spacious and tasteful. I really like doing that, but when you're playing drums it's the whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're just going, so it helps me kind of.
Speaker 3:yeah, just kind of helps me just kind of open up a little bit.
Speaker 2:Do you play other instruments?
Speaker 3:No, just if you did, what would you?
Speaker 2:if I did, I'd probably play bass, really like bass like stand up bass or bass, just like bass yeah, electric bass yeah.
Speaker 1:You do use your. You're wearing your regulators your hoodie there and you do use your vocals on the on the I do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do do a couple of songs, we do. We do regulators by Warngee, we do. I sing dirty love by Frank Zappa. Ain't no fun, snoop dog. And then two new ones we just added was it was a good day, nice and big papa.
Speaker 2:That's nice. It sounds like such a fun band to be a part of. Because it's just, you know, it seems like anything goes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I was actually just talking to one of my bandmates about that, where you know we're we're lucky where we basically gave ourselves this freedom to really do whatever we want. You know we critique ourselves and listen to our shows and be like, you know, maybe here you can do this or I can do this better, or something like that. But really we're like super open to each other's ideas and the fact that we allow ourselves to play all these different styles it doesn't really pigeonhole us too much and it's it's, it's a freedom. That's good, but you know you have to harness that. Sometimes too, you kind of have to self-regulate yourself because things could get a little too oh, the word I'm looking for like just loose, yeah, just too loose, like just too.
Speaker 3:You know, just keeping in within yourself, I think, is always a good thing we're always trying to find ways to. Because there's six of us, we're always trying to find ways to play less. I guess, you know, because there's between six people, there's a lot to say and I think over the years we've gotten better at listening to each other and knowing when to lay out. Me personally, I've got a lot better at that, especially playing with another drummer who's already got tons of symbols and is already, you know, a great drummer in his own right. And so for me, I have to learn listening back to recordings, I have to learn how to, maybe at the end of a phrase, not hit a symbol, because he's already hitting a symbol, or just lay out, and you know, at the time I'm thinking, maybe, well, I'm being lazy or something I'm laying out, I'm not playing, but when I listen back, well, sounds great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and is that mutual? I mean, the two of you have that conversation going, so does he also leave room for you? And yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:He's. You know, we've got to kind of make eye contact and I'm all set up with all my gears like angle towards him. So most of the time, you know, we're able to look at each other. And yeah, we talk about it a lot before shows and stuff. Like you know, we have certain fills that we play together or we'll like look at each other like you take that film or I'll take that film.
Speaker 2:Yeah, body language, eye contact, yeah, that's really cool. So you all like you record your shows and you do. You listen as a group back to them and critique. You said you kind of critique shows. That's awesome, especially after this many years, that you still have the discipline and desire to just honing.
Speaker 3:I think a lot of it is. We'll just go back and either as a group or individually, and just listen to really we'd listen to mostly improv, unless there's like a new song that we just started playing. We need to figure out if the parts are right. But we listen back to the improv and try and find sections that we can write songs from. Ok, we'll like bookmark those, those points, and then maybe a month down the road will end up putting together a song from it. So nice.
Speaker 2:Andrew. Yes, karen, you know what time it is.
Speaker 1:It's time for our record of the week.
Speaker 2:Record of the week. Record of the week Record. Record Record of the week.
Speaker 1:I like to when I'm. When Axel is singing like Bob, bob Black sheep, I like to ask him to like go for the big finish.
Speaker 2:For you know, we, and I bet he plays along really well.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, he loves that game, he's he's got some drama.
Speaker 2:It's really sweet when you knock down the wall of your kitchen for the remodel. He kept coming in and going where's the wall? Where's the wall go? What happened to the?
Speaker 1:wall you know funny story about that while we had to put a portion of it back up because, lo and behold, the wall was load bearing and so, and so we put on portion of it back up temporarily and now he's like climb. Like there's this section that he can kind of climb through. He's like I'm in the wall, I'm in the wall.
Speaker 2:And he raises his hands and gesturing.
Speaker 1:He's like a little Italian man in a three year old body Speaking of which we taught him to say tortellini the other day With the hand gesture With the hand gesture Nice, he played along Anyway. Record of the week.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's what we were talking about. So mine is not a new record, mine is an old record.
Speaker 1:I don't think we've ever like talked about a new record. We don't listen to anything there. No, maybe we did, but anyway, go on. What is it?
Speaker 2:Came out in 2004. Okay, it's called our endless numbered days. It was by a band called Iron and Wine.
Speaker 1:Okay, lovely.
Speaker 2:And is an ampersand, just in case you're looking at that Iron and Wine, and it's a great album. It's so peaceful, the songwriting is sincere and gentle and it's one of my favorite albums. Or what makes a favorite album to me is it puts me in a mood or it sets a tone, and this is an album that sets a tone. It's. You know, I would listen to it sort of at night, at dusk and when you're just winding down for the day or maybe on a Sunday when you're just kind of waking up.
Speaker 2:It's just gentle and really beautiful.
Speaker 1:Lovely. Yeah, well, I'll check it out. So I know Iron and Wine. I just looked him up on Wikipedia. He's a singer-songwriter, so he like it's essentially just he calls himself Iron and Wine. But is he related to Postal Service at all, or does Postal Service just cover his songs? Such great heights, you know?
Speaker 2:I don't know if they were related. Okay, that's a great question.
Speaker 1:I always thought they were. They might be, but you know I could be completely wrong about that. And they just they happen to cover the Iron and Wine song such great heights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. That's a great question.
Speaker 1:We'll look it up and next episode we'll talk more about it. I'm just kidding, we won't.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I'm not going to remember to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, but maybe our listeners will be like huh, I'll look that up. Yeah, They'll look it up themselves and call into 1-800-Records-In-Real-State.
Speaker 2:Dot com.
Speaker 1:Karen. So we learned from Andy that he lives in Oak Park. He was reluctant to give his like actual address, though I can't believe it that he didn't want to give his address out.
Speaker 2:I was not trying to ask for his address. I just meant, like you know, are you around this area or that?
Speaker 1:area in your downtown, right, nope, where do you? Where did you grow up?
Speaker 2:I'm not also not going to give my home address. But yeah, I grew up in Oak Park around the Columbian Avenue and Division area.
Speaker 2:It's four blocks from actually the city of Chicago border. Okay, but I did date somebody that refused to allow me to say that I was from Chicago and I'm like I live four blocks away and he's like that's not Chicago. So that's ridiculous. I hate that argument. So now I say it just despite him, even though he's no longer with us, so maybe that's bad. He's going to come back and haunt me.
Speaker 1:Maybe he already is.
Speaker 2:He probably is.
Speaker 1:What is it about the Columbian Division, like what's distinctive about that part of Oak Park?
Speaker 2:So it's a really lovely area with colonial houses, lots of sort of trees that are kind of teenagers, because the Dutch Elm disease came through when I was a kid and like they had all these big old trees. But my house specifically still has these two really ancient maple trees that are they're a little bit on their last legs but, you know there's a lot of history in those trees but you know it's manicured lawns and people.
Speaker 2:you know just nice colonial houses. But the thing about that's cool about Oak Park is that there's a lot of variety in the house, the houses there. There's some areas that are just they've got these huge mansions. There's a ton of Frank Lloyd Wright houses. So if you're a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright, there's more to see in Oak Park than I think anywhere else in the world maybe His home and studio is there, not too far from my house. I used to work there when I was a kid and it's just a lovely place.
Speaker 1:It's got a good downtown.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, it does. Lots of restaurants and bars, basically, yeah, anything you need, and it's got a new dispensary that opened up. Medmen is down in Oak Park.
Speaker 1:now, that surprises me. I mean for Oak Park.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know A little bit conservative, I guess. Maybe so, but I don't know. It's just kind of a nice everyone's just nice good people.
Speaker 1:Nice and it's, I think, one of the distinctive features about Oak Park, kind of like Evan's, and as it's part of the CTA system, you can take a CTA out there, right.
Speaker 2:You can get to downtown very easily and my brother, he takes the train up from Springfield a lot. Oh, okay, yeah, and they can go in and go in from places all the time and they can get to it pretty easily. Yeah, yeah, it's quiet, it's pretty and there's a great high school, oak Park River Forest High School. There there's actually several there's Fenwick and Trinity, which are private schools, but Oak Park River Forest is a public school that I was very proud to go to. They have up at the time and maybe they still do. They had a great theater department and just tons of resources. So anything you want to get into as a kid is there.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sports art anything.
Speaker 1:Music Great.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, sounds lovely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go check it out and just spend a day in Oak Park. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We're back with Andy Farrag. All right, good to be back. Hello, yeah, so you, speaking of back, you're back in Chicago. Yep, did you? Did I hear you say you moved out to Oak Park? Yep, living in.
Speaker 3:Oak Park right now.
Speaker 2:Yay, my parents, I just got back from there.
Speaker 3:Parents are still there, nice yeah.
Speaker 2:Whereabouts.
Speaker 3:Man, I'm not really sure, I'm just kind of no part. Getting to know it yeah.
Speaker 1:I just moved there a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I just needed. I need more spouse living in the city and I just needed more space for all my drums.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a really nice area. Yeah, I like it. It's quiet and pretty and good walking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's funny. I like moved to a quiet neighborhood so I can make noise.
Speaker 2:Have your neighbors complained yet? Not yet. All right yeah.
Speaker 3:But I'm in a corner lot and the drums are in the far end. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2:That's perfect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's no neighbors on that one side.
Speaker 2:So yeah, in the basement Yep Nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you, I mean you've lived. You guys all lived in Chicago, you know after for a time right Yep, early on Yep, you know kind of midway, I don't know when did you guys live in Chicago?
Speaker 3:Back in there and then, you know, I moved to Charleston around 2011. So I was in Chicago for 11 years Good long time. Good long time yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you? You know, now that you're back, I mean, things have changed a bit, but most of the venues still remain the same, I would imagine. Yeah, More or less.
Speaker 3:Yeah, pretty much I mean. Yeah, I mean we, let's see, we just did our umbol shows in November at the Riv. You know they've updated the Riv a little bit. I'm waiting for an uptown theater to come back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we've all been waiting for a long time. Yeah, new venue called Salt Shed Salt Shed, I have nothing there now, but I'm hearing great thanks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 1:What about Chicago? Did you enjoy the most when you guys were living here in 2000? Was it the nightlife?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I think it was just we moved here to get an opportunity to grow our fan base. You know, because we knew, living in South Bend, that we only were limited to what we could, what we could do. And you know, at the time we were still in South Bend and at the time our current manager, vince, was not our manager, he was working for AT&T here in the city, so he was already living here and I think he helped get us our first gig at the elbow room.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And so you know, we, we decided, you know, we should definitely move to Chicago and build our fan base and, you know, try and get that going. So yeah, nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the elbow room is uh Still there. It's not open. Yeah, but they haven't done anything. Oh okay, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's classic old venues in Chicago just truly, I mean it's truly an elbow room. Yeah, elbow to elbow.
Speaker 2:What made you go to South Carolina? Oh?
Speaker 3:Well, at the time I just wanted to live in better weather, I guess, yeah. And then, you know, I left. I came back and some things ended for me in my life and Decided that, you know, chicago's my home, you know, and so my family still lives in Northwest Indiana, nice, and so, just, you know, just wanted to come back here. And then I came back here for a little bit and then I once again wanted to live some more warmer, so I moved to this national.
Speaker 1:Is it the golf weather that brings you to these warmer climates?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll admit that, yeah, I'm a little golf obsessed, but yeah, and then, like I was telling you, like you know, covid happened and, you know, just ended up selling my house and moving back up to Chicago. Yeah, it's good to be here. I, I think I now you know again, my, my, my family lives around here, all my closest friends live around here. So that was one thing like moving to these other places was, you know, you miss your friends, you miss your family and you think you're gonna go back a lot and you just don't. Yeah, you know it's kind of tough to.
Speaker 1:I mean you're, you're traveling, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm already traveling for work, and so when I'm home, I would just want to stay home, and so it's good, I'm good, it's good to be back.
Speaker 2:Nice and the rest of the band. Are they here as well, or they scattered a little bit?
Speaker 3:There's a Brendan still here in Chicago, jake's in South Bend, ryan and Vince are in Charleston and Chris, our drummer, is in Nashville and Joel's in LA.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, okay, you were saying that you all kind of you fly home and then fly out for shows Thursday, through what Saturday?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we'll like, we'll like fly out Wednesday for shows Thursday or Friday, saturday or Sunday, and you fly on Sunday or Monday couple couple days home, then fly back out for more shows for the weekend, you know yeah. So, yeah, that's been our, that's been our strategy for a while and I think it's been good, as long as you know, we have like good chunks, like right now we're like on a month break to kind of decompress and we're from a long tour from long tour and we have Three weekends of shows coming up in April.
Speaker 2:So cool when you plan here Playing here, if you can say oh yeah, I could say or if we wanted to find out where your next show is, maybe where would we go?
Speaker 3:Yeah but we're definitely playing summer camp, which is impure, yeah, but that doesn't count Um freeze.
Speaker 1:Um freeze McGee dot com.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, we we have. We have plans to be playing here in Chicago. I'm just not at liberty to Just say at this moment fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we won't have the breaking news. You won't have heard it first here to be honest, is a rally air after the show anyway, yeah, it was awesome. That's just assume we're all glad you guys enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:Thanks for coming out. We got backstage. It was pretty sweet.
Speaker 1:Oh man, so you know we're heading into golf season in Chicago. What are your favorite golf courses?
Speaker 3:Well, my girlfriend lives right across from, uh, the city, marivets.
Speaker 1:I was right there I enjoyed that one a lot.
Speaker 3:It's only a nine hole course but it's a great place, man it's. Yeah, it's right on the water. You know it's not the nicest course in the world, but man, it's golf. Yeah, absolutely. So I like playing at harborside a lot. Yeah, that's another good public course. You know, you got cobb hill, you got. I mean, there's so many golf courses from Chicago, it's insane.
Speaker 1:How'd you get into it? Was it your Family or I got?
Speaker 3:a memory, dad or yeah, I got into golf. Like I started playing golf when I was like 10 and, uh, my friends, I lived in a neighborhood where there's a golf course and uh, they, they started playing. I think their parents were were into golf, and so they got into golf and I was like, hey, I want to try this, you know so. Yeah, so, really early, when I was like 10, I'd play every day For like a few years. I played one year in high school and then I quit for a while. When I started playing drums, yeah, started getting into music. I just didn't play at all for years and years. Interesting, it was only till I got started playing with offerings that like Joel and in Miro and stay sick. Yeah, now chris and they all played golf.
Speaker 1:So we're like, yeah, let's just, let's go play some golf, and yet none of you are as good as barry brown.
Speaker 3:I hear that is correct, very brown is a naturally gifted golfer.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. Check out the berry brown episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah which is which is entitled an altruistic keyboardist. Yes, for those that are looking, I like that talk about andy's rip and rub, because there's a good origin story to that, as well, yeah, so uh, you know I sell my own barbecue.
Speaker 3:I'm very into barbecue, I love barbecue. Barbecue kind of sewer and for the listener.
Speaker 3:We are holding up a bottle of the barbecue rub red cap, black label Looks delicious red, black and white are my uh, it's my color theme usually for everything. And uh, yeah, uh, the rub started years ago, probably 0708, and I was living in roscow village at the time and got a package. I forget what the package was for, but they, it got delivered. Ups guy left, comes back with another box, leaves it. I'm like, well, what's this? There's just a little sticker with my address on it. I think it fell off the first box, landed on this other box. Why, he brought it to my house. Okay, I opened it up and it's like this Uh, it's a box of hockey pucks, of chocolate for mole sauce.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow, for as it was. Uh, just to front air grill. Uh-huh, for those that you don't know, front air grill is like one of the top restaurants in chicago Yep, rick bailis, yeah. So I'm like, wow, man. So I called front air, uh, the restaurant, and I was like, hey, uh, box got delivered. Uh, something, how mole saw something? And she, it was just really busy and she sounded very busy. The woman on the phone, phone, she's like, uh, just just keep it, just hangs up. I'm like, uh, well, what am I supposed?
Speaker 2:to do with this?
Speaker 3:Yeah, first I was like cool, I get to keep it. I'm like, uh, no. And so I look on the other side and there's this sticker Uh, terra spice company. And I went and called them and turned out the lady I talked to lived in south ben. She knew of unfreeze. Wow, you know.
Speaker 3:And, just being like into cooking and stuff, I went and checked out their website, checking out their spices, and I saw they do retail packaging. They'll, they'll blend your spice, they'll package it, put the label on everything. It's like man, this would be a sweet kind of like merch table kind of item. And so, you know, got that going and at the time they did everything from start to finish and, as you know, we sold it. Um, I wasn't able to make a like a profit on it. Yeah, it's kind of like a break-even kind of thing, right.
Speaker 3:So I don't know years later Uh, just about maybe a year and a half ago I Are not even like a year ago I got in contact with them again just to see what their pricing was and everything. And the guy was like really Into my idea, turning it back. So Now I get, I get everything and I I package it. I like ran out of kitchen or whatever, and I just package it all myself. Wow, yeah, so it's fun, yeah, it's good. Picked out all those bottles, every bottle, put every label on that thing and you know, I got. I measure everything out, every bottles, you know whatever 3.4 ounces.
Speaker 3:Nice, it's a labor of love, yeah and the the spice company is like a high end, like wholesale, wholesale spice company. They, they supplied spices for a lot of restaurants from terra and all those places. Yeah, it's really good, it's a very, it's like a spicy. It's like your normal Barbecue rub that you would use, except spicier.
Speaker 2:Okay, and he's ripping rubcom.
Speaker 3:Yep, there's a. It's gluten-free. Yes, yeah, there's an online store and he's ribbon rubcom and we sell it At our merch table. It shows, yeah, nice.
Speaker 1:What, uh, what do you? I mean, we were talking about salmon earlier, but, uh, use it on Basically anything, or yeah, I mean, you know it's great on pork and chicken and and beef and vegetables.
Speaker 3:And one of my favorite things I tell people is you just get like french bread, mm-hmm, you know, lay down some butter, sprinkle that on it and then grill it, mm-hmm, grill, mm-hmm, like just char it up.
Speaker 2:Oh man, so good, nice, I think we need to have a little barbecue party here in the backyard this summer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we should, so we uh. So we've had a few gatherings, we're gonna have a. A third one was very successful, the other, uh, we only had one person show up. It was Mike Racky.
Speaker 2:But we do uh, we had a lot of fun. I mean, if Racky shows up it's like six people. Yep, he brought the party Absolutely Um.
Speaker 1:So we, we, you know, everybody brings in a record, or if they don't have records, it is put something on Spotify that they want to share with everybody. So maybe we'll do a barbecue component.
Speaker 2:That would be really fun yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, Andy, thank you so much for being here today. Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun chat with you. It was good, you know, we'll see. You see on the road.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just wait. Can't wait to catch the show that uh has yet to be named.
Speaker 3:Or maybe has already happened or has maybe because it was so good already happened or it's about to happen.
Speaker 2:Thanks so much it's been great.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys appreciate it. Karen, before I ask you a question, the, the why questions. Yeah, I'm gonna ask you in a moment. Uh, I have a follow-up story to Andy Farring and umfrees mckie who has left the building right now but, let's, let's talk about him.
Speaker 1:So umfrees played lala pelusa a few times and, uh, you know, I think it was kind of when they were Really starting to be, you know, well known and and it was, it was like a break for them.
Speaker 1:I was, you know, certainly going to see them A lot back then and went to lala pelusa to specifically to see them. And I was at a pot bellies near the you know venue, near the, near the grant park or the. The festival takes place, the sandwich shop, the sandwich shop, pot bellies, and I Was in line and andy ferrick walks in right behind me and you know we know each other, and so we start chatting in line and he, you know, gets his sandwich and he orders a wreck and I order my wreck for those that don't know, pot bellies and one of their signature sandwiches is called a wreck. And I'm walking out and I hear these. You know, I was like in my maybe Late 20s and there were these you know teenagers there and they were clearly umpries fans and they were probably there to see umpries and they saw Andy and they were just all excited. And one turns to the other and says, well, what sandwiched he order? And the other guy goes Well, a wreck obviously.
Speaker 2:So they all ordered Rex.
Speaker 1:I've told him that story before. I meant to ask him when he was here, but you know anyway, that's the story the life of a rock star?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. People want to know what sandwich you're eating.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I have a question for you, wish you may not have an answer to. You may hate them, but why music festivals, karen?
Speaker 2:Oh wow, why music festivals? I haven't been to one in a long time, mostly because that's it's.
Speaker 1:It's too much stimulation for me, why not music festivals? Festivals, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think music festivals are a really great thing at a certain time in your life and and I'm not in that time yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, there is a good music festival For people of all ages and it's actually one of the first music festivals. It's high Sierra music festival. Mm-hmm, and that one's pretty accessible because it's you don't have to walk very far to get to the. You know the other camping is really close to the actual festival itself, yeah, and you can kind of bop in and out. Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I like them and I think maybe you have a different take on them because you come from the the jam band circle, which is a different vibe. You know you're. You're used to getting together in these crowds that follow the bands around and All party together on the regular right, as opposed to a bunch of strangers coming together for a weekend To see have you ever knew, uh, jazzfest. I have been to jazzfest in in Chicago like not New Orleans.
Speaker 1:Oh no, not no.
Speaker 2:So the the last festival I think that I ever went to is my band used to travel up and down the coast, the west coast, and we would land. Our final destination was in British Columbia oh cool, at a festival called Shambhala, and our guitarist and his wife Basically put on the festival.
Speaker 2:Okay and so we got to play it every year For a while and it grew. I mean, it was a big festival but it was one of those things like the last time we went it the music just doesn't stop. It's, you know, 24 hours a day and you're trying to camp and I don't know, it's. It's just like the speakers. You can hear them, the vibrations all night long like running through your body and you're Trying to sleep and you know it's really, really fun until it's just too much.
Speaker 2:But the people at Shambhala and that's just me because I'm old and crotchety and whatever, because the people at the Shambhala festival, we're so sweet, everyone is so cool. I highly recommend going because it's every kind of style of music. You know DJs and live bands and everything in between, and you know light shows. It's sort of, you know, a mini kind of burning man, but in the forest it's Not in the forest, sort of on a on a farm, but there's forest and then there's a river running through it and so everyone just like hangs out on the river.
Speaker 2:During the day and there's bands playing on the river and it's just, it's fantastic. So that's why music festivals. I just convinced myself I should go back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's go back, yeah let's take a, take a trip, go see a music. I mean the. I think one of the things about music festivals Is there, every fucking city in America has a music festival these days. Yes, and it's gotten a little Out of hand, but you know, obviously there's, they're putting them on and they're successful and people are going.
Speaker 2:I also had a thing where you know, seeing a band outside in the daytime was just like what. Because I was so used to just that band nightlife inside Concert venue thing so that takes my brain a little time to get used to.
Speaker 1:So you disagree with Jamie Lee Curtis who recently said why can't coldplay play a metinee? Do you hear about this? All the sense? In the world to me.
Speaker 2:So no, tell me what the context was around this.
Speaker 1:I really know. I just, you know, read a headline. But but Jamie Lee Curtis, you know who is lovely and you know, by all accounts, she suggested that these bands, you know, played during the day absolutely. And I appreciate that, as somebody that you know likes to go to bed early and wake up early.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my last band decided after you know, our last three years together was just playing in people's backyards and you know kids running around and no barbecue happening. It was just a band call beautiful engines.
Speaker 1:This was the band that you started shambhala.
Speaker 2:Uh, yes, this is part of it. Uh, shambhala started as a three piece under a different name and then became beautiful engines. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You've not talked about beautiful engines. To my recollection Um only if you're lucky right, well, follow.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to follow andy ferrick.
Speaker 1:No, no, that was uh.
Speaker 2:that was a lot of fun and if we're trying to get to obama, that's a step backwards.
Speaker 1:Having me on, Okay you know, progress is not linear, that's true, that's true, but yeah, it was a fun time. Nice, yep. Well, there we have it. Okay, this has been an episode of records in real estate. Thanks for listening. We hope you enjoyed it. Thank you for watching. Today's episode was brought to you by be realty. Be where you want to be. Be realty.