(#53) Embracing Holistic Beauty and Debunking Myths with Livia Mackenzie

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Today I am interviewing a dear friend & seasoned beauty therapist Livia Mckenzie from Livvies.

Livia Mackenzie, originally from the Scottish Highlands, found her home in Broome and after a few years of working for a well know resort day spa ventured out onto her to create LivVies. A business that is more than just a place for beauty therapy, but offers an elevated experience of seamlessly blending the precision of a clinical service with the indulgence of a spa like experience.

From personal experience, Liv really does offer the most dreamy treatments and her knowledge, care and integrity to her profession is what makes her a standout therapist.

This is the first part of our interview in which Livia really showcases her knowledge and education of the beauty industry.

In our conversation, we discuss 👇
💆‍♀️The emotional wellbeing that is tied to skin health
📚The misinformation that is out there surrounding skincare
🏥Potential harm of DIY skin treatments and the need for accurate knowledge
🔥The intense pressure placed on health and beauty, particularly among the younger generation. 
💉A hot topic in the industry on injectable cosmetic procedures.
🎓Why regulating the Beauty industry is currently shifting 
📱Social media and body image and the need for better education for beauty professionals and stricter industry regulations
🍃Alternatives to current mainstream beauty therapy treatments 

Liv sums up the episode with some really beautiful reminders that I know you'll appreciate.

Please note in this episode we do brush on topics such as body dysmorphia, eating disorders and mindset around current skin and cosmetic procedures. If this is something that would trigger you, this episode might not be for you right now.

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www. youtube. com. au The Alchemy Mindset podcast hit subscribe. So you always get the latest episode. Now let's begin. Dear listener, and welcome to this episode where I'm interviewing a dear friend and seasoned beauty therapist, Livia McKenzie from Livvy's. Originally, this interview was recorded as one episode, but on playback, I decided to split it into two episodes just so I could do my interview with Livia full honor and justice. Livia Mackenzie, originally from the Scottish Highlands, found her home here in sunny Broome. And after a few years of working for a very well known resort, Day Spa, which is actually where we both met, ventured out on her own to create Livies. A business that is more than just a place of beauty therapy, but offers an elevated experience of seamlessly blending the precision of a clinical service with the serenity and indulgence of a spa like experience. Livvy's approach to her services is rooted through her education and qualifications, enabling her to offer a fully holistic and personalized approach. And from my personal experience, Liv really does offer the most dreamy treatments, and her knowledge, care, and integrity to her profession is what makes her a standout therapist, and why I absolutely trust my skincare in her very, very capable hands. This is the first part of our interview in which Livia really showcases her knowledge and education within the beauty industry. In our conversation, we discuss the emotional well being that is tied to skin health. The misinformation that is out there surrounding skincare, potential harm of DIY skin treatments and the need for accurate knowledge, the intense pressure placed on health and beauty, particularly among the younger generation, which personally I felt was a really helpful area to talk about and being a mom, I know this is something I will have to be able to guide and support my own daughter. We also talk about the hot topic in the industry of injectable cosmetic procedures like fillers and Botox. Why education and regulation in the beauty industry is currently shifting to protect consumers and practitioners alike. Social media and body image and the need for better education for beauty professionals and stricter industry regulations. LIV also offers some really helpful alternatives to current mainstream beauty therapy treatments that are more holistic for the overall health and well being Of her clients live also shares some of the alternatives that are out there to current mainstream beauty therapy treatments that are have a more holistic approach and benefit of the overall health and wellbeing of her clients. And just stick around to the very end where I just feel that live sums up the episode with some really beautiful reminders. and helpful points. I just want to add here that in this episode, we do brush on topics such as body dysmorphia, eating disorders, and the mindset around current skin and cosmetic procedures. If this is something that you are currently navigating and that you would find this as a trigger, this episode might not be for you right now. So thank you for joining me and Liv in this episode. Now let's begin. Hello. Hello. Welcome. Welcome to the Alchemy Mindset Podcast. I'm just so thrilled to have you here today. And guess what? To the listeners who can't actually see us. Liv and I are sitting next to each other, having this conversation, which is super cool. Cause usually it's over zoom or, you know, the internet, but because we actually live in the same town, we know each other quite well. We're like, just let's hang out, have a chai, catch up and chat. Yay. Thank you for having me. Thank you for inviting me on. I'm so pleased that you're, yeah, that we're having this chat today because I think what you've got to share is just really. beneficial and helpful to everybody out there who's, you know, either, you know, invests regularly within their skin health and their own body As well as like for someone like me who's a mother and has got a daughter who will one day Be influenced or inspired or whatever it is by what's being deemed as, I don't know, what are you saying? The trends. The trends, thank you, that is the word. I feel like this is really important information that you're here to share and I'm so glad that you just We're able to do this today. It's so exciting. Thank you. Yeah. So let's start from the start. Tell us your story about becoming a beauty therapist and then leading into running your own business. Yeah. Well, it happens. It was 20 years ago and I'm only, thank you. I was only. I'm 36 now, so I was 15, and it kind of is a little story about fate, so I was back in school to do my last two years, I'd enrolled in all these hires, and my friend, she finished, so in the UK, we finished school before the summer holidays, so. here. You finish before Christmas, but we start in August. September is the start of our school. You're not like Jan, Feb here. Yes. So my friend, she'd already left school before the summer and she was going to do beauty therapy in college. But yeah, I was already signed on. I was back to school, back to my classes and things. Not loving secondary school, love primary school, love learning, but secondary school is just like the opposite of primary school for me. And it wasn't learning it was more about rebelling. So I wasn't going to learn too much. but anyway, my friend, she was going to college to the induction day or week. I can't remember now. So I said, I'd go along with her and they were like, Oh, we've had someone drop out and we have space. And I'm like thinking to myself. At gymnastics, people would like ask me to paint their nails or do their makeup and I like massaging. We've been to like a nursing home and massaged people's hands and I just really loved it. So I'm like, okay, I want to leave school and I'm going to do this because I'll absolutely love it. Took a while to convince my parents who wanted me to go to university and be like a doctor or whatever they want you, aspire for you to be. but eventually they just said, if it makes you happy. So, yeah, I left school 15, got them to sign me out, started college. I was three years full time in college to do my diploma at beauty therapy, where I think over here people can do a diploma in like less than a year. Yeah. So I don't know how that works, but I covered like all grounds. The first year was a national certificate because I was so young. And yeah, it's just expanded from there. I loved everything, every kind of thing. I used to do like nail enhancements, like, like a nail technician, tanning, facials. I loved massage, didn't always do a lot of it, and then after I'd been working for a few years in a beauty salon doing all that kind of stuff, I thought it was time to spread my wings and fly, which took me to the cruise ships, which I wanted to do massage on. They initially Save you out and choose what kind of thing you're gonna do on the cruise ships Which was like this detox treatment where I have to give seminars Yeah, like it's a whole different story like that world, but I've really loved the massage So I went back on doing massage find myself a broom years later to travel worked with yourself This is where we met up there in the spa at Cable Beach Club and you're a beautiful broom Yeah, and just, Broome and Australia in general is just really good for everything holistic and spiritual. You can really delve in so many different aspects and coming from the highlands of Scotland where there probably wasn't too much of anything in that kind of realm, there's a lot more now obviously, but yeah, like I've just kind of spread out and gone fully holistic and become, qualified. That's the word I'm trying to find. In all aspects, because we generally work holistically anyway, but you need to be qualified before you can, for instance, recommend things for nutrition or know what, where you can and cannot recommend things or who you can and cannot say things to because they might have a medical background and a lot of people might recommend something to someone. Where they're not qualified to, and they might have a negative consequence because of some medical condition that they hadn't been aware of, for instance. Yeah, so I studied, been studying for maybe the past, I don't know, seven odd years consistently with running a business. Yeah, so share us, share with us like, what do you feel like you specialize in now? Because you don't just do beauty treatments. You also add other elements of what you do into your treatments or your services, right? Yeah. I'm a bit of like a spa kind of vibe because I'm always about relaxation. So yes, you get that wonderful pampering, relaxing, beautiful feeling with your massage or facials. Even if we're doing microneedling, there's an element of relaxation there at the end. Because why not? But on top of that You get nutritional advice., if I feel we need to work on something like hypnotherapy, because you've got your psycho emotional impact on skin. So I do a lot of skin clients. I practice corneal therapy, which is about maintaining the integrity of The stratum corneum, which is the most outer layer of skin at all costs, so I got rid of doing chemical peels, dermabrasion, which are still quite popular in this day, but long term they can be quite aging on the skin and in this sort of climate that we're in can be quite detrimental with like pigmentation. Yeah, so I love working holistically, getting the nutritional needs in. How are you feeling? Just kind of getting to the root. A bit of like, counseling, basically. Yeah. Of whatever, whatever is needed, even if it's Reiki. Like, Reiki infused into a facial, cause that's what they're needing. Yeah, absolutely. And I have to say, like, I can honestly vouch for the fact that you are You definitely embody that spa vibe and making sure everybody feels just so relaxed and so comfortable, even if you're doing something like microneedling, right? Liv is literally like, you cannot hear her moving around the room. Like she's so silent and you're just so attentive to people's needs and what they're needing. In that session in terms of comfort, I think that's really, really, it's always like a reason why I come back to see you because it is because, you know, beauty therapy can, I guess, have, like, in your industry, different levels, like you've got the spa kind of journey relaxation that. Time out for yourself. And then you've got more of that clinical side that's also there, but you bring both together, like you mold or meld both together in such an amazing way. Yeah. And what I really admire about you is that you have over this time spent so much time improving your knowledge and learning the things that you know are going to be the most beneficial and helpful for your clients. Like, like you said, it's not just about skincare. It's like, what are you eating? Because that can affect your skin and your emotional well being and all sorts of things like that. And then you also have that element of the counseling through hypnotherapy and helping people to, I guess, change habits or behaviors, their mindset around themselves. Yeah. Perhaps. Yeah. Yeah. Like, for example, I had a client who we just did a very gentle hypnotherapy. session, not focusing around skin and such, but it was so calming on her nervous system that she said, like, she looked in the mirror a couple days later and she had quite inflamed acne like skin, but she's like, my skin was just so calm, the redness has gone down, I just looked. Yeah, so your skin, so it's like if you think about someone who gets embarrassed and their skin flashes, or if they're angry and the skin goes red, like that's a direct emotional visual that you can actually see that happens on the skin. Yeah. Absolutely. And we all know that fact that when we look at ourselves in the mirror, we may not think nice things about ourselves because we are, we have developed this like inner critic within us about the way we look and that impacts the way we feel. And that all then drives through like our beliefs and our behaviors towards ourselves. Right. Yes. And. That's something that I feel like with what you do, you're helping to educate your clients through being much more loving and kind to themselves, but also using products. Like you said, you did like some really deep diving into skin health and products that can help get great results with the skin, but they aren't harsh, they're not abrasive. Yeah. Yeah. So originally I was. I was doing the whole treatment, yeah, not like with doing chemical peels and hydrodermabrasion. I was not getting the results I wanted. Some people, yeah, you got some results and it was good, but there was some clients that I was just like, I'm not happy with how this is going. And so I, yeah, I did a lot of research and then I kind of came across Chronic Therapy, which is what the brand that I was working with. It used to pretty much be like about 20 years ago when I first was introduced into beauty therapy and what they were about. Being really gentle because I myself actually when I was 15 and did my Standard grade exams I was so stressed That I actually had an acne flare on my cheeks. Wow, and like any other teenager. You're gonna get that So, um, I'm going to try and scrub that off your face, which it just makes your skin even more inflamed. Even the quote unquote gentle scrubs and exfoliants and treatments, it was just aggravating the skin further. So when I started doing beauty, they were like, no, don't be doing this and teaching me what. I was meant to be doing my skin cleared up, and yeah, that, the brand was always like that, but now I feel the brand has got like an exfoliant or peel in every single thing basically now, but it has changed over company, like the owners, I believe, but yeah, so it's just coming back down to repairing that skin barrier, healing the skin, and allowing the cells and systems to function how they're meant to function, and yeah, getting the health inside, getting the health from the outside. And. My clients like their skin just went next level. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I fully believe that like I do believe that it is a partnership within our body, right? So like you said, the internal health needs to be addressed. So what are you eating? How are you taking care of your like eating habits? Like, are you drinking like a ton of coffee? Are you? You know, subjecting yourself to lots of cheeky drinks after work or, you know, eating highly, um, I don't know what kind of foods, processed foods. Thank you. That would might have a reaction. That is coming through your own skin health. I know for a fact that for me, had I known what I'd known, and maybe if my parents had been a more aware of what we know today in terms of like gut health and how that can influence our health and wellbeing overall, I think if my parents had. If we'd known that kind of information maybe they could have got me like tested for like an intolerance or you know sensitivity to a particular food because when it was in my late 20s early 30s that I it was just evident that something wasn't right with me and my skin was It's just horrific. Like I was so embarrassed about the way I looked. I'm like, I'm 20, 30 years old and I look like this. Like this is ridiculous. Like I look like a teenager that I went to a naturopath and she did a whole cleanse on me that I saw the results of how clear my skin could be from just shifting my diet. Yeah. Now, if I'd known that probably when I was in high school, when things, you know, obviously we've got hormones and that obviously also, or can like influence and affect our skin health, right? Yeah. A hundred percent. But I also feel like in there, there was. This sensitivity or something around dairy, maybe even wheat that was just aggravating eggs even. Yeah. Like I was always being avoidant of eggs growing up as a kid, but you know, everybody scrambled eggs or you know, eggs with soldiers. Yeah. But yeah, if I'd known that, I think maybe my skin journey would've been completely different. Yeah. Yeah. So they, those three things that you suggested are definitely some of the most common sensitivities that can aggravate. Yeah. But there is a lot, a lot more information out there now, probably a little bit too much and not always, kind of scientific in a way that there's a lot of the influencers, influencers these days, and they'll just spiel off a lot of sometimes correct, but sometimes incorrect information as well. So it's even more challenging for. the youth now that they get so confused and overwhelmed what's what they should be doing or they like an influence and they're going to go and do something very crazy and potentially dangerous and harmful to their health. Yeah, like even those when everyone started doing the Dermal cleaning on their skins and people get like infected skin and it's just like they're using on their own skin type or What is dermal cleaning? I'm sorry. I'm just Basically, like a scalpel where you just shave off your some of your skin layers and your hair That sounds like it's like close to scalping like what happened to Basically. Cowboy times. I don't know like Wow, so they literally get like It's like shaving your face, except from it's more, you can take off a few more layers of skin. So they're like, oh, you can look at, you can take out basically your pores and the seabed, like everything, but that can open the skin up to infection. Wow. Yeah, so people do a lot of these, what should be in clinic sort of treatments at home. Yeah. I, yeah, even use some on that bot. Their own microneedling device and said, oh, I know what the person was using or what depth they're using on my skin. I'm like, oh my gosh, send that back right now. You're not gonna use that on your skin because you're not qualified because there's so much that can go wrong, especially once you start using these more harsh treatments. And what, yeah, like, 'cause I'm like. Not that I'm projecting anything onto Ava yet. And I know that when I get to this moment, I'm sure I'll just be able to navigate it as best as I can. But I do often like think how is it going to be for her when she's like in those preteen years and teen years when she's, you know, noticing and seeing things around about health and beauty and stuff like that. I mean, we were talking about this earlier, like we grew up with magazines, right? Yeah. Like we grow up with like Hello Dolly, or I'm not sure what you had in the UK, but. we had Dolly, there was definitely Dolly and then there was something else here in Australia that were big magazines aimed at teenage girls and they were all like stories about beauty and how to look your best when you want to go out and how to like meet a guy and you know, health and wellbeing questions, all those kinds of things. Wait, so when you're already skinny and get that thigh gap and be like anorexic, basically, like that's what they were teaching back in those days. Yeah. And so for me, like knowing that there's social media and there's so much more information that can come at all of us, not just Ava and ourselves in terms of this kind of stuff, what are your thoughts? Well, this is a really important,, point, because since the evolution of social media and getting information out, the youth of today, there has been a spike in anxiety. People are looking at their screens and seeing all these flawless skins with all these filters and just people portraying. Almost false, falsifying beauty. So it's really challenging because now the youth think that they have to meet these standards. Like they can't have a nose too big, they need to make their cheeks bigger, they need to make their chin smaller or bigger, their jawline, get some filler along their jawline, maybe they need an eyebrow lift, and now they, they need spread their cheeks up and now they need to get their figure and their hips, like their waist smaller. Like it's just never, never ending. But hopefully by the time Ava is older, because I feel like we've kind of just gone 100 percent in one direction, where the authorities are starting to crack down on what you can do for advertising per se. So hopefully Ava, when she reaches that age, and everything will be kind of more studied, and this is what you should be doing, or what you shouldn't be doing. For instance, the TGA recently, this is quite big news, the TGA , Therapeutic Goods Authority, they announced a ban. end of December, January, , of this year of using the term in the consummetic world of anti wrinkle injections and dermal filler. So this is talking about your botulinum toxin, people will know it Botox, but that's a brand name. Yeah, right., and dermal filler. I don't know what they'll call it. don't know what they will be allowed to use, but because it is medicine, so it's not just something that you can get willy nilly from everywhere, which Australia is really good with their standards because., you need to be a nurse minimum. Not sure if that, they're going to make that even higher to only doctors for these injectables. But in the UK, you can go to anyone who's just done a little course, basically. So at least Australia's got that good standard in their place. Since the start of January or whenever they put this out, the page is actually being reviewed. So it will be interesting to see what the new revision will be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It caused a big stir in the cosmetic industry of what are we going to say then? That's, that's really good because, yeah, it is, it's kind of like, you know, cigarette smoking. So, they're not allowed to show them anymore. So, our children, who are highly, highly, highly influential, yeah, they're, going to be, they want these things. They're 13 years old wanting to get lip filler. I've had clients who are teenagers who've already had lip filler. And so at that age, body dysmorphia is way more than people in their 30s or 40s. People, when you start to be like, Oh, I think it's all good back then. I always thought I had like, I had this fat or. I had, like, not big enough lips, or for me, I hated my nose, but I love my nose now. Like, I always thought I want, I had this, even, like, with partners, I was, like, looking at their nose and examining their nose. It was just, like, this obsessive mind that you have when you're younger and these things. But also, the worrying factor with Things like your filler, studies are starting to show now, like there's been a preliminary study on filler showing that even the hyaluronic acid, the quote unquote, like nobody can see me here, so my fingers are quoting, the hyaluronic acid, which is natural, but it's not. It's not completely natural because it's cross linked. It's not the same structure as what's in our natural body. So it doesn't break down like your normal hyaluronic acid in your body. And the studies are showing now that it's blocking the lymphatic system. Now, the lymphatic system is an integral part of your health. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Your lymphatics is what removes waste, so whether that's endogenous or exogenous, like, so whether your cells, the natural waste product and material coming out or, like, just fighting off infection, removing the unnatural hyaluronic acid that's cross linked from your body to then be filtered out. So this is getting, showing studies now that it's not. And so they need to, they're going to study further, research further, and to see if filler affects risk of disease such as cancer. Now, if teenagers are starting to get filler, 18, and then they're getting that fairly frequently. Now, they used to say filler lasts six to 12 months because the body breaks it down, which. MRIs now show that can last 36 months, even like top surgeons who do like facelifts and like they'll have someone who's not had filler for over five years and they've got all the gel like substance just seeping out of the skin, like, and you see like all the celebs with the puffy face, so like it tends to sort of migrate some areas of the face or break down and metabolize fat. You know, like, where is this going, and is it going to cause an immune response somewhere down the line? Can you get an infection? And there is Yeah, when you think about it, like, if there's gel sort of still sitting underneath your skin. Yeah. And that gel isn't natural. Yeah. What is it doing? Like, is that a toxic substance that's leaking into, say, your circulation, and then filtering and being like, what's the word, like, being backed up somewhere in your body that does cause other further, like, illnesses or diseases? Well, I think that's all fairly new, and they need to research that further. Now, I would say, like, this is not my field, I'm not in the medical or cosmetic, um, field at all, but it is worrying to see and watch, I've never, I'm 37 this year, I've never had Botox or filler, because I've believe in the more natural, um, holistic approach. Yes, I have fine lines, but Who doesn't? Do I? I'm not, I'm not overly bothered, to be honest. I would say, just to the listeners as well, like, Livia has the most refreshing, most youthful skin that I've ever come across. Scottish. She really does. Like, Liv, you really do walk your talk, like, you take great care of your health, and you, and it's, and you take great care of your skin, and it just shows, like, you're a living example of what you truly believe. Well, I try to, I'm not always perfect, but yeah, I do, I learn as well. Okay, so if I've been eating a lot of certain foods, then, Especially here in Australia, I don't know why, like, compared to the UK, bread in particular, like, I'll start getting breakouts if I start eating too, too much of that. Yeah, which is very common here. A lot of Europeans will come to Australia, eat the bread and get gut, gut issues. I don't know if it's because they, or the Gluten is much higher in the breads here than in Europe, for instance. But anyway, that's like a whole other conversation. Where were we before that? Oh yeah, so yeah, I do notice when I am eating the best, my skin, I'll feel like I'm, I'm like 16 years old again. But then I can't Having late nights or if there's lots of social stuff and maybe have a drink or like some Processed or fatty or I find if I go to restaurants and they're so oily that those kind of foods And you can really see it in the skin and then too much coffee Yeah, so it's definitely goes hand in hand. Yeah, absolutely It's not about being perfect No, Like we're human and we have to enjoy life But there is an essence of mindfulness in a way. And I think going back to what you're saying about like people getting these fillers and that it's not breaking down, this research is really important because without this knowledge, people is like. You know, you were saying to me the other day that people are getting these procedures done, but it's not, it's changing the shape of their face initially, but because it's not breaking down, it's then migrating to other areas of their face. And then all the effects of it comes on that. It's like a continual cycle of trying to like, look better, be better. But in actual fact, it's not neat. Like, maybe you don't need to do these fillers or Botox. Maybe it's about embracing your own inner beauty, on your mindset so that you do like. Yeah. Maybe there's other stresses in your life that are causing these, you know, issues that you're not enjoying about your face. Yeah. And looking at it all from that holistic response, right? Absolutely. And I'm not like against people getting Botox or filler. I mean, I do believe less is more. But the It's a psychological effect that I'm more concerned about for the youth, so what are you teaching them? For instance, Korea, which is, seems to be, like, wherever it goes to for their beauty standards, the parents basically tell the kids they're ugly to go get treatments and surgeries and all of this, so yeah, we're teaching our children. Saying to them, you're ugly, you're not good enough, unless you look like X, Y, and Z. Yeah, and start comparing yourself to someone else. and not really just like, and is this, it's just like not having that love for yourself. Like it's appreciation. I can certainly remember growing up as a kid, the number of times I went into a change room with my mom when we were like out shopping with her and she'd choose some clothes and she'd go stand in the mirror and we'd all sit there and you know, you'd have to wait while she tried on like, you know, 10 million clothes. And then most of the time she was like, Oh, I feel so fat in this. Like I look so fat. Like she would like in the mirror commenting on her body shape and size. In front of two young girls. Yeah. Like that sticks into my mind so vividly that sometimes I go into the shops, you know, and you're standing in front of the mirror going, gosh, I look like my tummy. Or like I'm commenting on myself. Yeah. Where I've now gone. All right. Well, that probably wouldn't be a very good thing to share with Ava. So if we ever went shopping. Make it in my best mind to like just internalize those thoughts, if that's how I'm going to feel, but celebrate what I do look like, you know, like I'm buying some new clothes and I feel great in them, even within my own mindset practices, like I know we're talking about size here and not necessarily facials or beauty or whatever, but it's kind of like to totally disregard the size and the label of the clothes that I'm choosing, because even that in itself can make us feel Yeah, I was like that as a teenager. I remember being horrified going up from UK size 6 to an 8. And I was highly influenced by the size 0, 0, whatever it is, the thigh gap. Era. So like, I remember like measuring my waist being like 20, I don't know, 25 inches or something. Which is actually tiny. I was tiny. That's tiny. And let's just be clear though, I didn't think I was fat at that age. I was quite happy about my body. I was very good at gymnastics and eating, eating well. I was vegetarian at that age. But, because of the influence, and things like Big Brother and all that kind of stuff was coming out and people were putting lots of fake tan on or being like super Skinny and basically, like, anorexic. So, um, the generation of Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie, when they, like, she got super, super skinny. And, yeah, so I remember reading a magazine, it was like, Paris Hilton's measurements. And I'm like, I must lose an inch of my waist to get to that. And I like, I was eating like 600 calories a day and going to the gym for like two and a half hours on the cross trainer, like. That's not sustainable, really, is it? I know! Like, I wasn't even, like, overweight or anything. No, not at all. But it's just, your mind, you're so influential at that age. So I believe getting these kind of procedures done should be a minimum age of something like 25. Even 25s, yeah. Like, I was still making heinous mistakes at 25 for good and evil decisions. I can think of one that we won't repeat, right? Oh gosh, but anyways, like, um, When you're 18, you only just become an adult. You're like, oh my gosh, all these things I've been told I'm not allowed to do. I want to go do them all! And then You're like still finding yourself until like you're basically in your 30s. Absolutely. Your 20s are there to make mistakes. Yeah. And to learn. To mess around with your body, physically, like you've got all these influencers who are doing like three times BBLs and then their lips are so big that they It looks like they've had ten meetings in them, basically, but they want them bigger and they want it more and more and it's extra and extra and oh my influencers, my followers would love this. And like, these young eyes that are absorbing all of this, it's just, the world's gone mad. I think robots are probably more human like than humans these days. Yeah, But, anyway, so, what is the solution? Well, it's good that the authorities are becoming more strict and they're going to be doing more hopefully long term studies on these kinds of things. And definitely more that awareness and knowledge that the general public can digest and understand. I think that's the biggest thing. And that's one thing I know that you have taken under your Professional like training and career is to make sure you know what you know Yeah, you can educate your clients in the best way possible To help them be more aware of all these things and be more holistic in yeah. Yeah Yeah, so like what can you do? So prevention is better than so if you are having like difficulties with your skin, then seek out a therapist,, that you feel has got , your vibe. Someone that's got, looks like they've got integrity, because I'm in the beauty industry, so there's not a lot of integrity, unfortunately. It's people just want to make money and Just these fast results, but it's not long term health for your skin. So yeah, what I do, I work with like customizable skincare that's very gentle. It's been designed for the most irritated skins, which is what I love. So something that's calming and healing. Another thing that I love is LED light therapy. That's been used in the industry for such a long time and it's not got UV rays. So it's not going to They like the sun damage your skin, but it's so healing. I've like, that's my number one go to. I would choose that over exfoliating or anything. Yeah. So also you just get to lie there and relax and I pretend that someone's massaging me. Maybe like my treatment. then the latest thing that I'm doing was micro needling. I researched things for a long time. I wasn't overly sold. on it initially, but it is fantastic. It took me a good couple of years researching it and asking questions and being like, but it's really good. Once the skin is properly prepped, so you're not putting things, non physiological ingredients like fragrances, even you've got to be careful with people with filler with hyaluronic acid filler in their face. It may have too much, , because, , it can cause a reaction in the skin. Just like if you have a natural thing. So you don't want to. Needle things. into your skin, ingredients that are non physiological., so we're very strict with how we do micro needling, so we're not putting all these gold potions and, oh, we're gonna just, like, needle this into your skin. We absolutely don't do that because the immune system, you're opening up the skin for the immune system and immune response. So, but it is highly effective. for stimulating the natural type collagen that you have within your skin when you're youthful, and not like a scar type collagen that can be caused by this heat. Treated, like radiofrequency, for instance, can cause a bit more scar tissue, so that creates a little bit more rigidity. So maybe use that when you're older, like 55, sort of plus. There's ways of going around, utilizing that into your, your program anyway, but also diet. So how are you nourishing your body? from the inside out. How are you feeding your gut microbiome? I find people aren't eating enough veggies. They aren't eating enough greens. And even, like, just a lot of your micronutrients, there's a lot that people aren't supplementing or even, like, being careful around that I think it's good to have that multivitamin. I choose a plant based multivitamin. just to cover all grounds. Things like iodine, people don't think about that. That's your thyroid health. That's also your skin health and brain health. Yeah. But too much of that, depending on what you are eating, can be detrimental as much as too little of that. But people never really think about that as a micronutrient that's beneficial to them. Yeah. So how are you feeling psychoemotionally? How are you? Are you feeling stressed? Are you angry? Are you getting enough sleep? Yeah. Another treatment, actually, I forgot that I do, is the Neolift face sculpting and the buccal massage. Yes. So this one's fantastic for those who are very stressed, teeth grinding. I do the buccal massage as well on my massage clients, and it's been very, very effective because a lot of people are now doing Botox for their TMJ disorder. So once you've injected your masseter, then you have to do your temporals, and it can get pretty expensive. And then you're making the muscle atrophy. It's great. Absolutely great for acute instances. But what is your long term? Are you going to be doing this, injecting this? Every three months for the rest of your life. Mm-Hmm. But whatcha are you gonna start doing whilst you're doing that? I mean, how are you gonna start doing some therapy? Maybe some counseling, hypnotherapy? Yeah. Because there is a reason why you're clenching your teeth. Yeah. Or you're grinding your teeth, or you're experiencing, , Jay, right? Yeah. Like that's not just something that just happened. It's an effect. Something emotionally that is happening in your life, right? And so with medicine, it generally helps to block a function happening within the body. So with Botox, it's blocking the nerve response. So acetylcholine at the end of the nerve, it blocks that and so that you can't, it kind of paralyzes the muscle basically, which is fantastic for therapeutic use of course, and so. mild cosmetic use, not going over like overboard with it and not being able to show people that you're crying. For instance, I shouldn't laugh about that but it is amusing to me. But I don't have tears, there's just sweat coming out of my eyes. What's happening to their face? Are you crying? Are you laughing? What's going on? But anyway, so the The buccal massage is fantastic for helping to release that, releasing the anger. People feel a lot more relaxed afterwards. Your face feels relaxed. You might even have a bit of a emotional response afterwards, just letting it all out. And then so once you start doing this, okay, well, how can I manage and self regulate myself?. Even going to see a naturopath for jaw clenching, oh my gosh, can even be related to parasites. Yeah, wow. In the naturopathic world, so, maybe going to get a full holistic checkup with a naturopath. And, yeah, like it's just, All this self help is good for every angle, aspect of your life. So everyone should just, everyone really is doing a lot these days. But it's almost like what I see with you as well. It's not like I'm just going to stick a band aid over this problem. We're just going to try and get a quick fix so you can feel better about yourself in this moment. It's about, let's look at this in the long term game because this isn't an overnight success. Like, improving your skin health, we all know that skin has to regenerate, right? And we're a living, breathing organism. Yeah, it's not like a plant, like a flower doesn't just grow instantly, unless you put like a ton of maybe fertilizer on it. I don't know, but you know, it takes a while. Like it's got to get the roots in there and then the sun and the water. And it's the same within ourselves. But we all want that quick fix, right? That's all we want. But without sometimes having to do the inner work, because the inner work can sometimes be that thing. That's the hardest thing to acknowledge. To understand or to release and heal because it can be painful. But at the end of the day, the pain that we live in, and this is what I've, sort of feel is that as human beings, we've learned to live with pain. Yeah. Without going, well, it may, I may experience short term discomfort within my life for healing something to get long term gain of peace and happiness and joy within my life. But I'd rather not go through that process and just live with the pain and just try and find pain and dentists to stick over it. That's the thing, like I guess as well, some people aren't ready to do, aren't in a position perhaps to be doing the self help, maybe they're just so busy as a parent and just like need that quick fix and that's okay. Just knowing that there are other ways of looking at things, and if you are in that space and would like to, then there are other options as well. It's not dissing anything sort of like cosmetic or medical, , as a whole, but, , trying to just find that holistic and where are you in the equation and what can you do? Because at the end of the day, if you're not going to do it, And you don't have a frame of mind for it yet, then that's okay. place. Yeah. We're all constant work. We are. Until we die. I do believe that. One hundred percent. Wow. Liv, I have just absolutely loved our conversation today. I'm sure all the listeners I'm going to just feel so much more enlightened and educated about the beauty industry, health and well being, how to take care of themselves. Yeah, absolutely. And it's the age of information, really. Less is more. Prevention is better than cure. And just embrace and love yourself and the body that you have been given, the sacred Whatever you want to call it, whatever lies with you, learn to love yourself first, do all your health care, that's going to support and make you healthy. Health is first and foremost. Absolutely, yeah, amazing. so much for coming. Yep, I've loved it. This has been a great conversation. Should do this more often. Absolutely. All righty, well, if anybody is here in Broome and they want to experience an amazing facial massage, All the things that Liv offers, all her details are in the show notes below, and I'm sure you'll thoroughly enjoy meeting her if you do come to Broome or if you are here in Broome. Come see Livia. Amazing. Thank you so much, lovely. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening to today's episode. Please rate and review this. So that it can continue to thrive and reach more listeners. I love to know who my listeners are. So please screenshot this episode and tag me on Instagram at Anna F hasty. And I look forward to connecting with you in the next episode.