Self Discovery Through Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences with Allyn Evans

Out-of-Body Experiences & the Science of Consciousness with Allyn Evans

Allyn Evans, CEO of the Monroe Institute, joins us to explore the frontiers of human consciousness, out-of-body experiences (OBEs), and the transformative potential of astral projection.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The Monroe Institute’s mission and legacy
• The science behind OBEs and altered states
• The Gateway Experience and its impact on self-discovery
• Healing relationships through dreamwork and expanded awareness
• How Monroe sound technology supports intuition and energy healing

We also trace Allyn’s personal journey—from a desire to deepen her intuition to global work in consciousness development—and hear stories from the thousands impacted by the Monroe Institute’s programs.

Whether you're curious about OBEs, expanding your intuitive abilities, or exploring consciousness more deeply, this episode opens the door to what’s possible.

Allyn is a certified Reiki Master Teacher and co-teaches Energy Medicine with Brian Dailey, MD, helping to bring integrative healing to a global audience.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:00

When you're looking at out of body, that's opening you up to anything and everything, any dimension. You can go from dreaming to lucid dreaming to out of body, so it can be a pathway to out of body Even in a lucid dream. When you've got these characters that are in your dream, it's usually aspects of you that you're working through something.

Speaker 2 0:33

Welcome to the Field Dynamics podcast. We're here to facilitate inspiring dialogues about the nature of consciousness across disciplines, communities and practitioners, all with a holistic perspective.

Speaker 3 0:46

From energy healing to somatic therapies, from neuroscience to meditation. We believe the most interesting things happen at the boundaries of disciplines.

Speaker 2 0:55

I'm Christabel.

Speaker 3 0:56

And I'm Keith.

Speaker 2 0:57

Thanks for joining us today and enjoy the episode. Hello and welcome to the Field Dynamics podcast. Today we are joined by guest Alan Evans. Alan is the CEO for the Monroe Institute. She is also a certified Reiki master teacher and teaches energy medicine with Brian Daly MD, helping to spread the word about complementary and alternative modalities to a global audience.

Speaker 2 1:30

Alan has had many roles during her time with the Monroe Institute, including serving as the outreach coordinator, co-training gateway voyage programs and serving as chair of the first local chapter network efforts to launch and sustain the volunteer network worldwide. She has presented for the Monroe Institute across the globe and for the Institute's annual trip to the Bahamas. She adds Monroe sound science with the experience of swimming with dolphins in the wild. Alan earned a BA in psychology from the University of Mississippi and an MBA from Texas Tech University. Welcome, Alan, it's a pleasure to have you here with us today. Thank you, Glad to be here. Firstly, we'd love to open with you sharing something of the history and the mission of the Monroe Institute and how it approaches consciousness exploration and personal development, and how it approaches consciousness exploration and personal development.

Speaker 1 2:26

So the Monroe Institute was founded by Bob Monroe and he was someone who he was very curious. He was an entrepreneur but he started having these out-of-body experiences without trying and actually it really scared him a lot. So he did a lot of investigation, trying to figure out what's going on and thank goodness he was curious because that helped him continue to search for answers, to record it, to write it down. And all of that effort, you know, produced three books. But it also produced or created the Monroe Institute where I'm sitting today.

Speaker 3 3:07

What would you say is the mission of the Monroe Institute?

Speaker 1 3:09

So we have a pretty big one. We decided on this about three years ago and it's to reach 1% of the world's population with a direct experience. What we're calling a direct experience is something to do with either Monroe Sound Science or, let's say, if you're taking a spoon bending class and you have some kind of experience that helps you go from believing you're more than your physical body to knowing you're more than your physical body. So that's our big goal and we're going to do it. We hope no, I'm going to take that back. Our plan is to reach that 1% by 2032.

Speaker 3 3:47

Robert Monroe is really really well known for those three books you mentioned, sometimes, I believe, called the Trilogy series. Yeah, I think Christabel and I both read through them, or the majority of them were certainly influenced and inspired by it. His work is particularly noted for this introduction of the word out-of-body experience and introducing the world of what we now know of as astral projection. And would you touch a little bit about on these hallmarks of what the Monroe Institute does and maybe how it in general approaches teaching or potentially giving people an experience of this in general approaches teaching or potentially giving people an experience of this?

Speaker 1 4:24

Now, interestingly enough, bob did not use the term astral projection. He stepped away from that, and that's where the OBE term, or out-of-body experience, came from, because he was trying to stay more in the scientist lane and in the non-woo-woo new age. He wanted to keep it real. He wanted it to be investigated and analyzed for what it actually was. Astral travel is not how he would describe it. This is so interesting to me when I look back at the history. We only had one meditation we call them exercises in our flagship gateway program that Bob Monroe created that had anything to do with OB or out-of-body experience. Just one, and I'm not really you know, because I can't ask him now. I'm not quite sure why that is so. My perception is that he just didn't know exactly how to help people do that to the extent that he was doing it, and also that, as he learned through his travels that that's not the end game, and so that's why I think it was that way.

Speaker 1 5:33

Now, since then, we have added a program called OBE Spectrum, and so we are teaching different methods, different ideas about how to do it. What we've discovered over time is everyone's different. There's some methods that will work for some people, some methods that will work for other people. So that's why we show you the spectrum. What I love about this program, I've trained it before people show up and the majority who show up say I want to have an OB. I mean, that's why they're there. At the end of the week they don't care anymore and it's because of the outcome of their experiences, not about how they did something. And I really think that goes back to my idea about why Bob didn't push the how, which would be the OBE it's looking at. Well, where does that lead you?

Speaker 2 6:27

Regarding your personal story, we'd love to hear how it is you became involved with the Monroe Institute yourself.

Speaker 1 6:36

So, interestingly enough, I was not going after the OBE experience. If you had asked me when I first was reading about the Monroe Institute in books, that was before the internet. I couldn't Google what this was. I was just reading people who had either been there, or reading about people who had been there or who knew about it. So, from my perspective, it was all about developing your intuition, your psychic abilities.

Speaker 1 7:02

That was my mission. That was what I wanted to do. I wanted to learn how to enhance those, and I figured out very early on in this quest that by the books I was reading, everyone had written a book, or at least all the books that I found on the subject. They had always identified as being psychic. They weren't someone who wasn't and had to learn how to do it. So I was on this mission. I want to learn how to do it, because I'm not that way and I'm in my late 20s, and then I want to teach others how to do it. So that's what got me there, and the good news is it worked. It was one way to do that.

Speaker 2 7:48

May I ask, Alan, did you have any leanings or propensity towards that? Was there something in your life that had stirred that interest in psychic skills or an innate natural ability?

Speaker 1 8:01

that can claim, as a child, would be to be an empath, which is just being very sensitive to the energies of the room, the feelings of others. So I did have that little window of something's different. Here I'm perceiving on a level that others are not, but I didn't have anyone in my family or in my circle of friends who would understand what that was and how to help me with that. But then I just became very curious and I was an avid book reader and so, as I was reading these nonfiction books about these people, what they were doing, it made me want to be in that place and to be able to do those things myself.

Speaker 3 8:47

And was it Robert Monroe's books that kind of really stuck out to you initially in his programs? Or was there another teacher, another book, that kind of was your first stepping stone?

Speaker 1 8:58

So my first stepping stone was I read a book by Edgar Cayce and he's called the Sleeping Prophet. I read a book by Edgar Cayce and he's called the Sleeping Prophet. He was someone who has just what thousands and thousands of transcribed readings that have been verifiable, so that blew my little world. That was the big paradigm shift. That was in my late 20s. That's when I became really hungry to find out more about this. And then Carolyn Mace it's spelled M-Y-S-S She'sa medical intuitive. She started that way, teacher, and now she's become more of a spiritual teacher. She was someone I read a lot of books about and I found this interview. I cannot find it, I have looked for it, but I just happened to see an interview. She did a video and she's talking about the Monroe Institute and how the Monroe Institute helped her return to those intuitive abilities. So then I was like, okay, that's where I have to go.

Speaker 1 9:59

But I was very young, I had a young child. I didn't have resources to arrange everything, to, to to arrange everything, to come out to the Monroe Institute, didn't know where it was. Like I said, it was pre-Google so and I didn't have a way to to find out except in a book or listening to a video. So I just let it. I let it sit there and life continued. And then in 2008, so that we're jumping forward a lot of years, my daughter is 12 by then. We're at the bookstore. She liked to just go all the time to the bookstore and so I would peruse the my favorite aisles to try to find what I was going to read. And at the time I was always interested in the books that they put into the occult section, which you know, that's what they used to call it. So I'm in Oklahoma, I'm walking up and down the occult section and I see this book and it's called the Journey of Robert Monroe, and I just know I've just found the book and it's his biography. Found the book and it's his biography, so of course I bought it, of course I read it, and before I finished it I had ordered the entire at-home wave gateway wave series.

Speaker 1 11:12

The time that was six. Now it's eight, and before I finished that I was doing one or two a day. I mean, I was just like blowing through it. I called the institute and said I need to come. I just knew I had to. I didn't care if I had the money. I was going to figure out what to do with my young child or my preteen child, and I showed up in March after that, so it was November 2008,. And I was there by March 2009.

Speaker 2 11:39

We've spoken a little bit about Robert's intentionality in making sure that his research and experiences were science-led right, that they were presented that way. As you said, he cleaned up the lexicon a lot around this type of experience. We'd love to hear a little bit more about him, how his personality and his intentions have helped shape the mission of the Monroe Institute and the work that you continue to do to this day.

Speaker 1 12:05

So when he started having these experiences, the spontaneous experiences, investigating them, figuring out, he wasn't crazy. He started looking at okay, how can we look at this more closely? How can we look at it without the woo-woo side coming in or the woo-woo language? Like we couldn't even in programs, use the word chakra because that was, you know at that time, was a woo-woo word. But he, it's interesting, because he knew he wasn't the scientist. So he thought, well, I need to invite young scientists or, you know, try to find someone who can come work with me, whether it's part-time or not, and help me. Look at this from that perspective. Again, he was a businessman. He wanted it to stay in that lane. He was very careful about the language he used, how he described things. So at one event when he was speaking, he asked for volunteers. Would anyone who had a science background be interested in helping me? And he reports two people raised their hands and one of them was Thomas Campbell, which you may know as the my Big Toe, the theory of everything, and then also Dennis Minerich, and these two men joined him part-time. They would come some in the week and then they'd spend the weekends with him and they were the ones that discovered or brought to Bob's attention the binaural beat phenomenon.

Speaker 1 13:34

So this was in 1973. Dennis happened to read an article in Scientific America and he got it. He was like, wow, ok, if we can do this, if we can add this to what we're doing already with the sounds, because they were already having success, this is going to be really impactful. And it said that at the time. When they put it all together, robert Monroe said I've got a tiger by the tail and I don't know what to do with it. So that's the significance of what they saw. They saw they could.

Speaker 1 14:06

Now Dennis and Tom would get in these different what we call prep booths, isolated, and they're semi-Faraday cages, so you know, just kind of both isolated, and they would intend to join each other in these exercises and they would have little planned outings that they were planning to do when they were in these states and then Bob would have them write it all down or record it, and then they would meet with Bob, be interviewed, and then they would come together all three of them, and they were having experience, shared experiences, like session after session, after session. So Bob started working with his explorers, which were a group of volunteers. We have a wonderful archive on our site that these tapes are there, these transcripts are there, and it's individuals coming in who are also having the sound technology with the binaural beats included and having sessions led by Bob.

Speaker 3 15:07

I was really, really inspired by Robert Monroe's work.

Speaker 3 15:12

I found a real kinship or a parallel with his kind of journey, in that I was experiencing strange phenomena that I couldn't describe or understand logically or scientifically and I was looking for people to provide maps for these things.

Speaker 3 15:28

And the first thing that was most shocking to me were astral projection experiences out of body experiences, spontaneous things that happened just meditating and then floating up and out of my body and seeing my physical body from a distance, spontaneously, and these things shocked me and they were very much an affirmation that I wasn't just my physical body which is something I wasn't really asking so much at the time, but nonetheless was shown.

Speaker 3 15:54

And I really appreciated that Robert Monroe created new terminology for these things because he didn't want to get stuck in how things in the past were described, but rather to clean things up and be neutral for the future. Christabel and I have both experienced some of the gateway program and these are the kind of, I believe, the more or less the entry level or the primary induction and process of training or teaching people to access this state of consciousness or aspect of themselves. Could you describe a little bit what the Gateway program is and how a person kind of engages with the audio recordings and how these things as you're saying, binaural beats or hemi-sync how this is integrated into that.

Speaker 1 16:38

I want to say. First, though, the beauty of what Bob left us is that we are an organization without dogma, so people can come to us no matter their belief system, and really the only dogma we claim to have is that you believe you're more than your physical body. But if you don't, it's okay, you can still come anyway. But the gateway program is looking at what Bob put together as a map of consciousness so that we can know how to visit these different areas or spaces, basically have a map, and once we experience the different levels and I'll talk about that in a minute then we are able to return to those levels. If we've never been to those levels we haven't labeled them. Maybe we've been to them, but we haven't labeled them. Maybe we've been to them, but we haven't labeled them, we haven't connected the dots Then we can't go back there. Bob wanted us to be able to go and access all of these states of awareness without the sound technology support. Now, many of us just love it so much we do that anyway, but that's the idea. So it's let's build these new neural pathways to get you to these spaces. So he broke it down into what he called focus levels. He numbered them, but there's not one better than the other. You know you have a tendency to go well if it's focus 10 and focus 12 must be much better. Focus 27, wow, that's way up there. It doesn't work that way. It's more about the focus. It doesn't work that way, it's more about the focus.

Speaker 1 18:04

So what's Focus 10? Focus 10 is mind awake, body asleep, and that's something you would learn in a gateway program, whether it's your own self development process or you're at a program we host and have a trainer. Focus 10 is a foundational place to learn how to be in. And just think about it. What happens? Most people tell us they don't remember they have out of bodies, they don't remember their lucid dreams. Many don't even remember their dreams. There's others who don't. When they're meditating, again, what we call being in an exercise, they don't recall. You know, it's just, there's no memory of the experience.

Speaker 1 18:45

Focus 10 is the training tool for you to be able to be in all of those states and remember, to be conscious, and that's really, to me, the biggest step to take, because that's how you step into those realms and again remain conscious as you do so, so that we teach. Focus 12 is is more about the total self. We have a focus level. No time, which doesn't mean there's no time it it. It's more about. It could be something you experience. It seems like a week and it's 40 minutes, or vice versa, and it's also past present. You know where we can have access with that energy. So we just have we have a purpose for each area focus level.

Speaker 2 19:35

I'd love to hear more about who it is that's coming to join you at the Institute or to participate in the online trainings, right? Are these sort of people that you know? Is this a broad reach of people? Is this a specific type of person with particular interests, and what are the benefits, as you describe them, for how people can take this knowledge, this understanding, this crucially, as you say, this direct experience right and have that be beneficial to them in their everyday life?

Speaker 1 20:04

To answer the first part of your question, it's all walks of life. We have a wide, diverse group of people who have this shared curiosity, shared interest. People have different motives for coming. They might have a specific thing, like I did I wanted to be more intuitive to do or they want to have an out-of-body, or they want to learn how to remote view. But it's a curiosity typically, and some of us are more attuned to the idea of self-evolution than others. But again it our doors are open to anyone who has the desire to come, especially if you come on campus or do one of our virtual programs, which is in real time. It is intensive, you are really in that space which can actually be a huge potential growth experience for the individual because it is an intensive, but it doesn't have to be. You know, you can be doing the at-home things as well.

Speaker 1 21:03

A story that comes to mind as you ask that question I just recently trained a group, two weeks, two weekends ago, and a lady. She showed up and she said she wasn't even it was. She was introducing herself and it was just part of the introduction she ended with I'm so angry at my mother, that was how she ended her introduction. And then she said and I expect a miracle I was like, oh okay, that can be, we'll do our best.

Speaker 1 21:30

So it was amazing what happened for this individual she was able to, during one of the meditations, experience her mother as a young adult, so that she could gain wisdom about why her mother is who she is today, her pains, her frustrations, her disappointments and they were huge disappointments. I mean, she shared this with us that led this individual her mother to be a really negative and sad individual. She also was able to go back to her grandmother in another meditation after this and see how the grandmother had influenced the mother. So she walked away with a completely different understanding about this and acceptance that you know she still will have this relationship. That's troublesome, but it's from a different place, a different space.

Speaker 3 22:34

So it's interesting you bring this up, because my next question was about what's the connection between dreaming and the out-of-body experience. But you're also bringing up ancestry. So the OBE, which the language we use at Field Dynamics, generally tends to be exploring the astral plane. Let's say that a lot of this is happening on that plane of reality, that level of consciousness, through that particular subtle body. But it's a confounding place in that there's a lot going on there, there's a lot of levels and ways of exploring the information, of navigating it. So could you touch on how does it connect to dreaming and then how does it connect to ancestry?

Speaker 1 23:13

Dreaming is about the self. This is my perception. It's more of working through our own personalities, and by personalities I mean our different aspects of ourselves. It's more of the containment of the total self. So when you're looking at out of body, that's opening you up to anything and everything in any dimension, at least from my perspective. Again, you can go from dreaming to lucid dreaming, to out of body. So it can be a pathway to out of body, even lucid dreams, and I co-train with Luigi Scambriola, who is a lucid dreamer expert, and he describes it as, even in a lucid dream, when you've got these characters that are in your dream, it's usually aspects of you that you're working through something. And then and I call this a hook. So when you're in a lucid dream, this is my favorite method to have it out of body. But you got to have the lucid dream or the memory of the lucid dream first, and then I call it looking for the hook, and I'm looking for a window or a door not that I one, but that's just like my intention to use that as the way out and then I say, oh, I realized that maybe it looks brighter or maybe it lights up. There's my hook and I take off to do the OBE, then it puts me in a whole different realm of possibility and experience. Sometimes directed most of the time not, but that's also my own preference I usually am saying you know, I don't. My higher self knows better than me what is the best thing for me to experience in this moment. I do believe when you do healing for yourself or even with your children or your parents or your grandparents, you know whomever's alive, living in this lifetime with you, that it goes back generations and it goes forward generations. So I believe this the Monroe outcome for some people is very powerful for that reason.

Speaker 1 25:16

There was one story about a participant and I actually was her gateway trainer and she shared her experience in a meditation that she was seeing herself on the family farm. She had been adopted and she said it was a farm with this big, long white picket fence. And so she's standing outside in front of the picket fence and all of a sudden all of her relatives, some living, some deceased, are walking up and they form a circle. They're all holding hands and then she looks over, she hears a noise and sees her deceased uncle coming, and he was a drunk. He caused almost every family member. She reported so much pain, so much grief. So he starts walking up and they start applauding him. And they applaud him because he had the toughest role to play in the family. So think about how that healed that situation.

Speaker 3 26:16

So is it fair to say it's a common occurrence when people are exploring OBs or Monroe Institute techniques that they encounter past family members.

Speaker 1 26:25

Yes, and deceased loved ones yes.

Speaker 3 26:28

Is there an interpretation through the Institute's lens about? Are you interacting with the spirit of the ancestor? Is it how you relate to the ancestor? Is there any framework given?

Speaker 1 26:43

That is a hard one for us to answer because we're really all about the individual experience and then they report it to us. So you know it could have been some just like a lucid dream type play that was played out for healing. I don't have the answer to that, but that's how it's reported by people when they believe they've had this connection and it feels real to them.

Speaker 2 27:10

That's fascinating to hear you speak of this, alan, and share these powerful sort of client or attendee experiences, because what you're really sort of conveying is that participants are being encouraged, within a very open and non-dogmatic framework, as you describe, to explore this nature of reality beyond the physical realm that they're familiar with with their everyday senses. They're considering interconnectedness, life after death, ancestral healing, ancestral roles and then the very nature of consciousness itself. Fundamentally so it sounds as if the work of the Monroe Institute without getting into labels, which I actually really appreciate is it's really helping to facilitate healing and awakening process.

Speaker 1 27:57

Now, you know, some individuals show up out of curiosity and then they have these paradigm shifts or things that happen that transform them. Some show up because they're looking for that, so it's very, you know, that's been interesting to watch. But what I do love is witnessing the paradigm shifts. In a week Even, we offer spoon bending course that's five hours long and people are signing up for that particular program because they're intrigued by, I call it, the bells and whistles. You know it's the magic trick.

Speaker 1 28:32

Well, at the end of the five hours, that's not all that's shifted is a spoon or a fork, and and so that's what the beauty of this is Even if you come just out of curiosity and have no expectation about anything, there's usually something that will happen that helps you on the next step of your own personal evolution. And another thing we do we create programs, we have an agenda, we have meditations, what we call exercises, but each person that shows up has their own personal agenda, and so we tell you if your personal agenda is taking over, ignore ours. This is about your growth and your experience and your experience Regarding astral projection.

Speaker 3 29:22

I know that's not the term that you guys use, but there are different schools of thought regarding how it should be done. So, for instance, some schools and teachers might kind of lean towards what you might simply call active imagination, like accessing your creative flow and your imagination. Others might say what you need to do is learn how to actually decouple from the physical body, inhabit the astral and actually start to move in that plane. And I know that some of the language from Robert Monroe is like rolling out, learning to actually, in a sense, kind of trick yourself and like almost feel as though you're rolling out of your physical body and into this other form. What do you think about the efficacy of these different approaches? Is there a right or a wrong? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 30:07

I do not think there's a right or a wrong, and that's the OB spectrum course that we train. We introduce all these different methods but some are very tactile climbing the rope. But some are very tactile climbing the rope, climbing the ladder, coming out of a helicopter. Some are more energetic, where you are working with the energetic body rolling out, or we call it a reball, putting a resident energy balloon around you and using that as a mechanism to lift up. We we do some energy work so that we can get get used to that vibrational state if we experience it not everyone does and also energy work where we're just focused on hanging out right around the body, whether we're really coming out of the body or not, or it's just the energy body that we can play with just at a very close to the physical body. So it's not such a big job. You know that you're going from this space to wherever you're going to go.

Speaker 2 31:03

You've spoken of paradigm-shifting moments for the attendees. I'd love to hear if there's been a potent or powerful experience in your own practice that stands out to you.

Speaker 1 31:16

You know, I've had many experiences and what the takeaway for me when I attended Gateway. It was a very subtle experience. Some people will have because you share after each exercise, and so some people will be having these very visual, very solid experiences that they can explain. Just like the two examples I've given you, those were gateway experiences. Mine were more about just understanding something was shifting, recognizing that I was different, without really knowing why. So it can be, it can be. It's different for each person and it's hard to describe for each person and, unfortunately, for those of us who don't quite have the breakout experience, it can be. Sometimes we question like why am I doing this and why do I want to continue? But I know a lot of people that are just like me and we just know that we need to continue with this type of work, whether it's being more involved here or doing things at home, like meditation practices, energy healing practices, whatever that is, it's certainly this is one way to do it. There are many other ways to do it.

Speaker 2 32:37

As you're aware, here at Field Dynamics we teach and train people in energy healing. You're an energy medicine practitioner yourself. How is it that the mapping, the model, the learnings of the Monroe Institute has helped you explore and better understand this healing art form?

Speaker 1 32:53

You know I will say that I'm not sure that I can tie it to that question, but what I do know is if I hadn't come here, I might not have reached this place, where I understood that this was part of who I am. So that's how it assisted me and was training at a psychic development school and after a year of me having these Reiki classes and my students then going to psychic development classes, the owner of this place wanted to make what I was doing a prerequisite before they started doing the psychic development. So that's not related to Monroe, but I was using sound technology and I was using energy healing and that was opening up psychic abilities more than the basic intro to psychic development.

Speaker 3 34:06

We very much intertwine or see that when people get involved in energy healing work, like running energy on their system, that if that, that in and of itself, while it has the effect and purpose of doing healing work, it concurrently develops a person psychically because they're sensing, if they're they're trained well, or I mean even by happenstance, but particularly if they're trained well, that they're being put into contact with learning to sense subtle energy, subtle flows, the vibrational aspects of things, like you're saying, and then that just naturally translates into psychic development. So it's a big, it's a big win-win and interestingly, there's like a connection point or an umbrella for all these things we're talking about when it comes to the aura or subtle energy etc. Is there, is there talk about? I don't remember ever seeing anything about talking about the energy field in general through the lens of the Monroe Institute. Is there any kind of mapping there?

Speaker 1 35:05

Bob Monroe did work with. He called it the subtle energy field, and so there are some discussions about it, there's some literature in our programs about it. It wasn't a huge focus, but it was something that he was aware of, which, of course, when I said we used the reball, the resident energy balloon, that was the way he took it. You know, once he incorporated into what he was doing, that was his contribution.

Speaker 2 35:32

What's your personal sensing experience, Alan, at this stage of your development? How is it that, when you're working with someone or reading a field, as we would say that you're connecting to energetic blocks or shifts or changes in the biofield around the human body?

Speaker 1 35:47

So that's been an interesting progression because when I first started in my home without any teachers, I decided after I was reading these books that dream analysis was a good way to go and then meditating. So it first started with just getting a symbol, so like I'll just say a rose, and so then it was up to me to figure it out. And that's why I brought in dream analysis, because I figured if I could learn how to interpret dreams with shared symbols meaning shared symbols that my higher self or guides would understand how I would interpret them, that I could make progress, which I believe is what happened. Then it started becoming words, then it started becoming sentences and then, as I got into the work of Monroe and then later into energy healing, it progressed to clairaudience. So that's the way I perceive primarily is through hearing, and it definitely grew Like when I was in those two years in Mississippi as a Reiki master teacher, I went from needing to be lying down meditating to get information that way to standing up and my eyes could be open. So it is, it can be a progression and it's certainly if you have whatever you, whatever you want to do.

Speaker 1 37:05

Is it out of body, is it remote viewing? Is it to be more intuitive? You can all do it. It's just where's your focus? I joke about remote viewing because I'm not really that interested. I did it once. I got a first place, which means I nailed it. It's just where's your focus? I joke about remote viewing because I'm not really that interested. I did it once I got a first place, which means I nailed it and I have said I dropped the mic, not doing it again because I just don't have that interest in putting the time in to help that happen. Now, psychic abilities I do. I want to put my attention there.

Speaker 2 37:37

What is it that drives that interest, Ellen I?

Speaker 1 37:39

don't know for sure. I know when I first started, I was just wanting to cut out what I perceived as the middleman and I wanted to have direct access to that total self who I believed is looking at things from the crow's nest, who I believed is looking at things from the crow's nest and I'm down driving the boat and I just wanted to have a more direct communication and I also just like to help people live better lives and I felt like if I could share that with others, that would help in that way. So I guess that was the driver.

Speaker 3 38:15

Just to bring in a kind of a mysterious type of question. Exploring the astral or having out-of-body experiences tends to bring people in touch with we might call them other types of beings or entities. Robert Monroe wrote about this very extensively in his book all the different you could say the ecology of the inner planes or the subtle planes. What's been your experience of interacting with other forms of consciousness? What do you make of it? What do you do when you meet other beings? Just curious about how you touch into that, because I would imagine being so involved there with training people and seeing how people experience this work that it's a reasonably common occurrence for them to interact with what they perceive to be something that is other than them, other than human, et cetera.

Speaker 1 39:02

I witness that happening all the time. Personally, I have had numerous out-of-bodies, numerous lucid dream experiences. What I would say I have the most of, and I would imagine most people have the most of, is what we call, or what I call, projected consciousness experiences, where you know you're in this space, like so in what we call the check unit, the control holistic environmental chamber, where people are meditating, doing the exercises, but you know your consciousness is also somewhere else. For me personally, I've had a variety of things happen that I've experienced. I would say primarily it would be more around that communication with the total self. You know where I'm. It's really helping me stay on track and served as guidance.

Speaker 1 39:49

I've had a few meditations while I was here that I didn't figure out till later what they meant, but I felt like I feel like now, after being where I am, it was about where. I didn't figure out till later what they meant, but I felt like I feel like now, after being where I am, it was about where I would end up. So I've gotten those types of of um interactions. I've also had other interactions you know where I knew I wasn't on the earth plane and you know interacting with entities, what, and I'm like I said, I'm a clear audience, so a lot of that is in the dark. I couldn't describe the scenery or tell you what was going on there, but I am having some kind of communication or knowing. So I definitely believe people have these experiences. I don't know what they are Because, again, it's interpreted by the individual who then shares it. Who are they talking to? Is it the total self acting like an alien? I don't know, but it's real to them and it was real to me.

Speaker 3 40:45

This is important phenomena to really consider and, like you said, we might not know what it is, but the experiences themselves are very real and they're very meaningful often, which is of great value we actually had spoken to. It's reminding me we spoke to a psychedelic mushroom facilitator researcher. He was talking about the studies currently being done about DMT and entity exposure, how they're medically scientifically studying how often it is that when people take DMT and entity exposure, how they're medically scientifically studying how how often it is that when people take DMT, they're being kind of projected, if you will, into a realm of interaction with what are entities that people are reporting regularly and that are clearly saying or presenting themselves as non-human and what to make of this.

Speaker 1 41:31

And to think that we're actually looking at this scientifically now and considering it in the laboratory setting is pretty fascinating yes, and we're doing research here as well at the Monroe Institute the on the efficacy of our sound technology, but also on Healy Healer type experiences. It's an exciting time to be in this space.

Speaker 2 41:54

That brings me to the question of how is it that you see this work? Obviously, things have come a long way since Robert was initially writing and established the Institute and all the way through to the recent paradigm shift we're experiencing, where fortunately as I would phrase it it seems that there is more open-mindedness, more receptivity, more interest in pursuing these things within, I want to say, a rational framework, within one that is a little bit cleaner, a little bit sort of less in the corner and attached to kind of cultural references or cult references, as you said. I very much remember that cult section in the bookstore, but really sort of starting to recognize that there's a lot of tools, techniques and mechanisms that's going to could be very beneficial for us as a society moving forward in reference to the exploration and growth of consciousness. And I wonder what it is that the Institute, where is it that the Institute is now pointing its directions in terms of helping to expand this and how it may impact society more broadly going forward?

Speaker 1 42:59

So we have always known that our sound technology could help in practical applications and there's been a little bit of that out there like sleeping, improved sleep, improved concentration. We are now looking at it even more closely and trying to push it out there to the mainstream market. That's what you were talking about. It's more mainstream. We can talk about these things. I remember when I started coming 12 years ago I didn't want a picture of myself anywhere near this place because it was just not, it was more taboo. But now we're in a different you know different place, different stage, so we can use these sound technology support for human potential, human performance. We're actually looking at some research we're going to start this summer where we're focused on that. How does the sound technology help people sleep better? How does the sound technology help people make better decisions? We've had some survey research years ago that said that that demonstrated that when people came here on a regular basis, their life scale, the reporting of how their life was going, was significantly different than those who did not.

Speaker 1 44:08

So we, you know we do want to get it out there and it's said that before Bob died he realized that we needed to figure out how to get it out there better than we were. He used to say, according to legend, that people would find us when they were ready, and then, by the time he was ready to exit, he realized no, no, this is too important. We got to get it out there, and so that's how we feel. The staff feels that way. The trainers feel that way. There's just so much value to this tool, and so that's how we feel. The staff feels that way. The trainers feel that way. There's just so much value to this tool and it's inexpensive. It's not. It's not addictive, it won't hurt you.

Speaker 3 44:45

You have worked with dolphins and I'm so curious, so curious about your experience working with dolphins. Uh, Christabel and I both love dolphins intuitively and energetically. We've played around through our own methodology, if you will. We're also well aware that dolphins come up in lots of different traditions. I know John Upledger was big going to the Bahamas with the craniosacral people. I didn't know until prepping for this interview that you at the Monroe Institute go down there regularly as well. So could you tell us a little bit about why you work with dolphins or what that experience is like and how you do so?

Speaker 1 45:22

So first of all, I want to say that in your gateway experience that you guys have, there's called a debt exercise. Have you listened to that? That has dolphins in it.

Speaker 3 45:32

I do remember the dolphin aspect, yeah.

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Speaker 1 45:35

That came from Nancy, bob's wife, who had had chemotherapy and needed some assistance, and Bob wrote that for her as a gift and now we still use it in programs today. So dolphins are already involved. At Monroe I came into dolphins on a side road and just happened to bring that trip here to the Institute. You know, once I arrived, it's very magical to be in the water with dolphins in the wild because they have a choice to engage with you or not. I do believe the sonar is very healing and I've had that experience of being washed in it. It's just a magical experience to have and I can understand why so many individuals, traditions, find this so powerful. They're intelligent beings and, yeah, I'm so happy that I've been able to do it for 10 times already.

Speaker 2 46:31

What advice might you give to individuals interested in exploring consciousness? Maybe a lot of our audience are already connected, but people come across our episodes who are maybe not of the background. Anybody interested in exploring consciousness and personal growth? Not sure where to start. Is the Monroe Institute a good spot? What alternatives might you suggest? Is the Monroe Institute a good spot? What alternatives?

Speaker 1 46:55

might you suggest? You know we do have an expand app that has a free component to it, so that's a good place to just try these things out, you know, and to see if you find them fitting for what you're trying to do. If I look at my personal journey, I would say dream analysis is something good to do and, of course, reading about individuals' experiences where you understand and you first start believing this is possible, and then, as you step into the sound technology support or even a program support, which can be at all different levels and by that I mean commitment and expense levels you have the guidance to help you reach the purpose you're trying to do or whatever intention you have. We have their programs to help with that. So I guess it's a matter of resources, and that means time and money. What your intention is If you want to be a remote viewer, you're going to have to spend time doing it is.

Speaker 1 47:55

If you want to be a remote viewer, you're going to have to spend time doing it. You're not going to do it, and then it keep being, you know, 100% or first place. So it really is a matter of commitment. How much are you really wanting to do this Now, if you just want to come to a program or check out an online program and have the experience, briefly, just to you know, delve into it with the tiptoe, that's fine and you'll get an understanding. But the broader picture is, if you really want to do these things, they tend not to happen spontaneously. Now they do for some Bob, of course, was an example of that but it's usually a practice.

Speaker 3 48:30

What are you working on currently? Or what is the Monroe Institute working on currently? What comes to mind?

Speaker 1 48:36

So for the past three years, we have been working on a high growth strategy. So that is our because. Again, what we think is the next thing that needs to happen in force is to get it out there. And we've always been global, yet not really. We have programs in other languages, we have trainers who live in other countries, but we haven't operated as a global organization. We haven't had experiences until we shut down with COVID that really were available to someone who wasn't able to come to the campus or didn't have the desire to come to the campus. So, again, it's global, it's high growth strategy, it's awareness, anything to do with awareness.

Speaker 2 49:26

That's fantastic to hear those intentions. Alan, I think you've spoken very eloquently about the potential or the pure potentiality of this work, particularly when presented in that clean, non-dogmatic framework. And in reality it seems that we can see the exploration of consciousness and the accompanying benefits of that in all aspects of life in society going forward. And it's very much in line with Keith and I and field dynamics and our intentions in that when you have that understanding or that vision for how beneficial this could be for people going forward, just that desire to sort of spread it as far and wide as possible, so where can people find Monroe Institute?

Speaker 3 50:12

Where would you direct their attention if they're interested in these programs?

Speaker 1 50:16

So I would say the website itself, monroeinstituteorg, is a good place to delve into the archives if you're interested in the history of the organization, the explorer tapes and transcripts that describe these interesting and sometimes boring journeys that individuals took in the early days. We have the Expand app, as I talked about, which you can do through an Android or Apple, so Google Play or Apple, those would be good starting points.

Speaker 2 50:44

We'll make sure everything's included in the show notes for ease of reference and just thank you so much for joining us today, for sharing a little of your experience and more of the Monroe Institute's intentions and goals for the future.

Speaker 1 50:59

Thank you, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 3 51:04

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