Kasia Dodd: Embracing the Inner Adult

What if you could finally release the emotional baggage that's been holding you back for years?
Join us for a transformative conversation with Kasia Dodd, a clinical psychologist from Krakow, Poland, now making waves in the United States.  Kasia takes us through her incredible journey from a compassionate child to a pioneering therapist who introduced Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) in Poland, profoundly impacting her clients' lives. Discover how her innovative approach synchronises the physiological, emotional, and intellectual parts of the brain to address trauma and elevate self-esteem.

We delve into the intricacies of EFT with Kasia, exploring its effectiveness in handling both single traumatic events and more complex issues like dysfunctional family relationships and long-held beliefs. Learn how precise sentence formulation and the nuanced art of delivery can significantly enhance therapy outcomes.

Kasia also sheds light on the new process of “INHERENCE,” a method she’s been developing for seven years that harmonises the inner child and inner parent, proving to be a powerful tool for deep-seated emotional healing.

Our conversation takes a soulful turn as we discuss generational trauma, the notion of becoming an "inner adult," and Kasia's book, "You Are the Dream of the Universe." We reflect on the importance of emotional acknowledgment in grief and healing, offering listeners both wisdom and practical advice. This episode promises to provide invaluable insights for anyone seeking to understand and mend their emotional wounds, all while embracing a more authentic, self-aware existence.

You can connect directly with Kasia here
You can find Kasia's book on Amazon here & Amazon Australia here

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Hello, hello. It's Nadine here, and I'm here with this week's episode of Life, health and the Universe, and today I'm joined by Kasia Dodd. Your full name Katarzyna. Katarzyna, katarzyna, yes.

Speaker 2: 0:20

Katarzyna.

Speaker 1: 0:21

Katarzyna, welcome. Great to have you here. Thank you for having me. Minor technical hitch, but we're okay now, so that's great. So let me do a quick intro of you, Kasia, and then I'll hand over to you. You can intro yourself and fill in the gaps that I've missed and then we'll get stuck into our chat. So you originate from Krakow, Poland, but currently living in the United States, and you have 16 years as a clinical psychologist and dedicated your life to understanding the human psyche.

Speaker 1: 0:59

That is definitely a lifelong pursuit, isn't it? It is Trying to understand ourselves and other people and how it all fits together. So, yeah, looking forward to talking about these things. You're the founder of Inherence LLC, which I'm sure you'll be able to tell us more about, and through your company, you pioneered EFT, which is emotional freedom technique, in Poland, I believe.

Speaker 2: 1:23

Is that correct? Yes, that's true, yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 1:31

One of your accolades, and more recently you have released a book. You Are the Dream of the Universe Moving Towards the Inner Adult, as a Further Step in the Evolution of Self-Awareness. It's a pretty meaty title. Yes, it is so. Welcome to the podcast. It's really great to have you here. I'm looking forward to our conversation. We kind of had a little brief talk before we hit record, so we've got some touch points to get started. But before we do, do you want to fill in all those gaps and tell us a little bit about yourself?

Speaker 2: 2:10

Yes, so thank you so much for inviting me. As you mentioned, I'm originally from Poland and I lived in the US for 20 years now, or so years now or so and, um, I am a clinical psychologist, but I am educated and licensed in the in poland and european union, so, uh, so I'm having all my clients over there in europe, um, but I'm living in the us. So when I was a little kid I was probably six, seven or eight in that range I had this experience of having this pain and compassion for poor children. In my neighborhood there was a family of gypsies living close to us and they were really poor. And I remember this was my first experience when I realized that those children in that family they are not as lucky as me, you know, they were walking around dirty and hungry sometimes and I felt this pain inside and it was painful that there are other kids who don't have what I have. And I remember this, this first experience when, when I thought, oh my gosh, I really want to invite this little gypsy girl to my house and I want to, I want to give her a good bath with bubble and I want to give her all my clothes I have because I want her to be happy as me. And I think it was the first time when I felt you know what I was here for on this earth, if I can say that, because since then it never stopped.

Speaker 2: 3:51

And then I remember I went to a hospital when I was eight. I had a sunstroke, it was a kind of serious condition, and so they took me to the hospital and I spent two weeks in that hospital. My mom visited me every day and they did a bunch of tests and then, you know, I had to take medications for two years. But I remember there was another moment, I remember when I was leaving the hospital after two weeks and I was walking with my mom through the parking lot and I stopped and I remember I turned and look at the hospital and I talked to my mom through the parking lot and I stopped and I remember I turned and looked at the hospital and I talked to my mom. You know, mom, I will come back one day to this place and I will help everybody to get better. So you know, when I was a little kid I already knew that it was my passion, kind of, and so since then, whatever I did education and and all other things and research I did. It was all for that purpose to work with people and to to work in this area.

Speaker 2: 4:54

At the beginning I wanted to be a doctor because, you know, when I, when you're eight, all you know is doctors in the hospital. You don't know anything more. But you know, when I got older, I don't know. It's not the medicine, the heart medicine, I just I'm just interested more in in the human mind and human soul. So so I got my degree in clinical psychology and then in the US I got another master degree in theology, because it was kind of like a soul thing more, because it was kind of like a soul thing more.

Speaker 2: 5:27

And you know, and I started doing therapy with people and on the way I I encountered this technique, this method, emotional freedom techniques, which is EFT, and it's just, oh my gosh. I did it first time on myself and I mean it was funny how it looked. But then, when I did it on myself and I suddenly saw tears, I mean felt tears pouring on my cheeks, down my cheeks, and oh my gosh, this is something else here going on. So I started learning the EFT technique. It was in 2005. And I think it was 2006 or seven when I started working with people using this technique and since then, you know I've been doing it all.

Speaker 2: 6:08

You know, every day when I work with people, I do EFT and it's been so many years and I still have a jaw drop. You know when I see the results, you know when people do the EFT. So that's briefly about my interests, and it never stops. I think it's my calling, my mission. I don't know how you call it, but I just can't stop the exploring, the going deeper and deeper and deeper. I do it every day, I do it at night, I do it when I watch TV, I do. It's just the observers all the time there and it just wants to understand and know and and go deeper in the structure of, of awareness and and know even more.

Speaker 1: 6:53

Wow well, you've given us a whole bunch of things to talk about, which is great. Thank you for the intro. Um, before we go on, can we talk a little bit about EFT, because I'm sure?

Speaker 1: 7:04

that some people have probably heard of it emotional freedom technique, um, but some may not have and, um, if you don't, I guess for the listeners, if they have, they may have heard of tapping right. Is that the other? Yeah, so tapping um, you may have even seen people do it. I've seen. I've seen videos of people doing it online and like on Instagram and that sort of thing. I've had a little bit of exposure to it, but I haven't ever practiced it myself, um. So I'd be interested, to interested, to hear a little bit more about um, what it is, how you use it and also how you use it when you're in relation to someone else, like guiding someone else through the techniques, because I've always felt that it's something that you do alone. You can do it alone.

Speaker 2: 7:59

Yes, you can do it alone. But you know, when you work with, with other person, it's always um, when it's always better to to. You know to talk about those things, any emotional problems, you know to people. When you have the mirror, you know that that can the observer that can see something that you can see yourself. So, yes, you can do eft with others and I do it all the time.

Speaker 2: 8:23

So, um, so for those people who don't know what it is, they call it also psychological acupuncture or psychological acupressure, because the method uses some of the acupressure or acupuncture points, um, at the end of meridians or the beginning of meridians, depends. You know how you look at it and you tap those points. So you don't put needles here, you don't press those points, you just tap with your own fingers and by tapping you put kind of vibration in those meridians. So so the vibration, you know, goes through through the meridians, through the nervous system, and um unblocks any stuck emotions or any, any stuck energies that are in the body and those stuck things can be there even for you know, for years, since you were one year old, you know, and it's stuck somewhere in your body and you have this emotional response and or some symptoms in the body. When, when you have emotional response and it's there all the time, and when you start tapping, it just kind of dissolves and you feel better instantly, almost instantly. I'm saying, you know, when you do the exercise, eft exercise you start feeling better during doing the exercise. You don't have to wait long for results.

Speaker 2: 9:48

So how it works, it's not only the tapping, you also say out loud sentences, and those sentences usually, I mean they're supposed to describe the problem in words, they're supposed to focus your mind on the problem. So when the mind is focused and then you tap the points, there's some interesting synchronization going on in the brain. So you focus, you tap and something happens in in the brain, something it's like uh, the emotion meets the reason and suddenly something you know goes and releases and you feel better and you feel lighter and you feel more optimistic, kind of gets stuck in the in the system. Uh, what happens is that that all three parts of brain the one that is responsible for your physiology, the one that is responsible for emotional processing and the and the part that is responsible for the logical thinking all three parts get kind of frozen in the trauma, all three parts. So then, when we work on releasing trauma, you have to address all three parts at the same time. That's the key. So you know, when you, when you only talk about problems, you only stimulate, you know, the intellectual part and it triggers the emotional part, but it's not synchronizing because you're not stimulating the, the body, and you don't stimulate the, the emotional part, you're just stimulating the intellectual part. So EFT does all, does that, because when you tap those points, you're stimulating the body. When you pronounce those intellectual I mean the logical words, you're stimulating the intellectual part, and in the middle there is emotion that gets, you know, activate, activated, and then at the same time those all three parts of brain get active and that's how the trauma is released. So it's genius.

Speaker 2: 12:00

You know the EFT, and it's so simple because it's completely natural, there's no chemicals involved or anything else. You just take your fingers, you tap the EFT, and it's so simple because it's completely natural, there's no chemicals involved or anything else. You just take your fingers, you tap the points, you know what to do and and it goes. And yeah. So, gary Craig, you know Craig, who is the, the founder or the inventor of EFT.

Speaker 2: 12:20

He says there's tapping and there's an art of delivery. So tapping is simple. You know five-year-old can do the tapping. But how you formulate the, how you focus your brain on the problem, how you formulate the sentences, how tuned your brain is into the problem you're trying to work on, that's the art of delivery and the more you are tuned, precise and address all the aspects, the better results you have. So sometimes when you work, you know by yourself it may be harder. But when you work with a therapist or somebody who has some background in understanding trauma and processes in the brain, then just the delivery of the EFT can be better, can be more, um, more how to say it? Um, just just more, whole, more.

Speaker 1: 13:19

Yeah yeah, yeah, clear, like more specific, I guess, because I think that, yeah, I, I guess, when we're experiencing some kind of trauma, it's like there are layers of it, right and and the. The external thing that we, we think is it isn't necessarily the. Yeah, yeah, you get deep.

Speaker 2: 13:45

Yes, because then it's yeah, because the deeper you dig and access your you know, your awareness, the deeper the EFT can be delivered, you know.

Speaker 1: 14:00

When you are doing EFT and using it in your sessions with a client, when they have that kind of release of emotion is it then like that's it fixed, or is it something you have to return to?

Speaker 2: 14:19

you know it depends when uh, when you do something very specific. For example, there's a specific event in your past, let's say you had a car accident. So it's like a one-time event. It was traumatic, it was shocking and it's stuck in your body. But this is a simple event. So usually in one session, when you take all the aspects of that accident, that event, usually it's gone and you're done.

Speaker 2: 14:49

But when we are dealing with a personality issue, for example, self-esteem or relationship with parents that was not so good when you were a child there are many layers of it. It's not just a simple event, you know. It's on the emotional level, it's on the body level, it's on your identity level, it's on your personality level. So it will be more work and so there will be more aspects to address. Also, I mean, that's how I find it out that when we do EFT on something like relation with somebody else or self-esteem and we do one EFT, you probably have to go multiple times to this one exercise to sink. So it all sinks deep in you, in your, in, your, uh, awareness. Uh, yeah, so that's the difference.

Speaker 1: 16:02

It would be pretty tricky as well, I guess, because when we've been experiencing um a thought pattern for a long period of time, it also, it almost becomes part of who you are right, yes, so so there's got to be a process of allowing it to, yes, to like literally let go of it and not not kind of go well, what, who am I if I don't have this thing?

Speaker 2: 16:29

yes, exactly. And also you are very right, because the deeper it is and the more personal it is, the more resistance to release you have. So sometimes you have to really be kind of like an acrobat to go from all different sides to approach this belief about how it's like a recipe for life, almost so. If you try to release it, the whole structure is terrified. Okay, how am I going to live now if I don't have this recipe for life? Almost so, if you try to release it, the whole structure is terrified. Okay, how am I going to live now if I don't have this recipe for life? I know it's dysfunctional, it brings me grief, but I don't know how to live without it. And there's a whole, you know, wow.

Speaker 1: 17:19

And so you're still working as a psychotherapist, I assume, and working with clients and using EFT in your practice.

Speaker 2: 17:26

I do, I just did it today.

Speaker 1: 17:27

Yes, yeah, okay, and I don't know if this is correct, but I think that one of your main areas of specialization is working with the inner child.

Speaker 2: 17:40

Well, it's a little bit deep, isn't it?

Speaker 1: 17:43

And I think, just like getting to the, to the root cause of someone's trauma or how they're feeling, has layers, so does that idea of the inner child Is it? Am I wrong in saying that that's an area of specialization?

Speaker 2: 18:01

Well, you are not wrong. Is your reaction more like oh shit, this is a big topic.

Speaker 1: 18:07

I don't know if we've got time.

Speaker 2: 18:09

No, we do, we do. I mean you are right, but I have to add to it yes, okay.

Speaker 2: 18:28

So, you know, working with clients and you know every client when I work with is like entering a different universe, you know, like a different world, and I'm trying to be so attentive and be 100% an observer and gather as much understanding as I can gather as much understanding as I can. So, after working years with clients, I started seeing some patterns and some rules. You know how those things work, even if the people are different and they have different stories, I started noticing some fundamental constant that there is a something at the bottom that, no matter how it looks on outside, there's the same mechanisms underneath. So so, you know, over years I started giving having this, this more and more clear picture of what it is, and suddenly it came to me that what I'm seeing is what people call inner child, but somehow it was incomplete. It's like, okay, I understand what I'm seeing and I understand what people are saying, but there is this feeling in my stomach that it's telling me there is more to it. So, you know was listening to, to this feeling, and and then I realized that there's not only inner child inside, but also there's the inner parent inside, that actually the structure of awareness that that every, every one of us has has two components and not only one. And everybody's talking about the inner child and the wounded inner child, and the child needs to be healed and everything. And I'm looking at this inner child and it's just fine, it has absolutely no problem. There's no wounds, there's no, there's no trauma in the child, in the inner child. So I said what is going on? So then you know, even observing more and more, I realized that what has a problem is the inner parent structure, that the inner child is just a child, ready to play with life, always happy, always enthusiastic, always. It's a pure power that it's ready to live, but it needs a parent to guide it through life.

Speaker 2: 20:43

And the inner parent, how I saw it, the inner parent is the image of the child, of the inner child. So there's an inner child that it's pure power, and the inner parent is the image of the child. And the image, all the beliefs about the inner child, all the traumas, you know, all the um beliefs I think it's the best word and so so it's projected on the inner child from the inner parent. That's why the child cannot function fully, because if there is a belief about this inner child, oh, you're just not good enough. Oh, you can't do this, you can't do that. So then the child says, okay, mom, I'll sit here and I'll do nothing, in a way.

Speaker 2: 21:31

So it's not the, it's technically, mechanically, it's not the inner child that has a problem. What the problem is that there is no healthy and well-functioning inner parent. The moment when the inner parent shows up, the child is ready to play, there's nothing to be healed in the child, and so then, when I finally saw it, you know I'm seeing this inner child is a perfect structure and all the convictions you know people have about wounded inner child. It's just a projection from the inner parent structure. It's not real, even if it feels real, wow. So then, you know, analyzing it more and observing and working and doing EFT with people and everything, I saw the structure of the inner parent, that it's actually the beliefs that are copied from what the real parents tell us. You know, when we are kids, from what the real parents tell us, you know when we, when we are kids.

Speaker 2: 22:42

So, so, so, the, the, the, the child, when it's born, it doesn't have the inner, inner parent structure yet. It's just a, it needs to form it. You know the, the self-esteem, the beliefs about self and everything. So, so, so it's, it's copying, you know, it's getting the information from from the environment, from parents, from culture, from society, from whatever it is, from religion, whatever we have. So and then it's built in the structure of the inner parent and that's how parents and society treated us when we were kids. That's why that's how we treat ourselves later in life.

Speaker 2: 23:24

In life the inner parent treats the structure of inner parent, treats us inside like we were treated in, you know, as kids. It's just a copy of, you know, the beliefs. So when we work with the inner parent and it suddenly the inner parent drops all those beliefs, suddenly there is a perfect inner child, ready to play and there's not a problem with the child itself. It's really a projection. So then when I explain to people this way of seeing it, just understanding that the child has no problem, it's healing already, because suddenly they see, wow, I have this incredible power in me that it's intact. I just don't know how to manage it because I have wrong beliefs about it. And that itself, you know, takes you out from the victim kind of victim, you know feeling.

Speaker 1: 24:18

Okay, well, that's pretty cool so would you say with the like, all of that's making complete um sense. Like? I understand what you're um saying, but would you? When you talk about the inner child, is it an idea? Do you know what I mean Like um? Or is it when you talk about like the injured or the, you know the, the inner child, and trauma, um, or healing the inner child? Is it actually our experience that?

Speaker 1: 24:52

inner child it's like, yeah, the inner child. Is it like who we were, who we once were, or is it more of a concept, an idea of how we feel?

Speaker 2: 25:02

Well, I think you know when I finally saw what the inner child is. It's just the essence. It's the living essence. I love that. Yeah, it's pure power. It's a living thing. It's not a concept. Yeah, it's just a name we give to it, so we kind of conceptually understand.

Speaker 1: 25:23

Understand yes.

Speaker 2: 25:24

Yes, but it's pure power. I'm saying the power is so huge that if you touch it with a finger it will cut off your hand up to your arm because it's so powerful.

Speaker 1: 25:35

Wow, and so we want to be tapping into that. Yes, yes, it's interesting, um. I heard once a while ago like about treating your inner child as a you know, as a human, as you would your own children, like you don't want any harm to come to them. When you know for me, I don't want any harm to come to my own children. Like I care for them, I nurture them um, obviously, they'll have their own experience and and receive that in whatever way they're meant to um. But we don't do that, do we? We don't. We don't um care for our inner child as we would our own, like our negative self-talk and that sort of thing but, you.

Speaker 1: 26:24

Yes, we can. Well, we can with the eft.

Speaker 2: 26:30

With eft also, you know, in the book, I'm trying to explain to people that, uh, the real, the only real thing we have is the relationship with the own deeper self, which is the inner child, the essence, deeper self, inner child, you know, to me it's all the same. Or or your soul, um, so so that's the only real thing that we have, and the relationship we have with this inner, deeper self. It's the basis for every other relationship in life we have With our own children, with husbands and wives, with other people, with life, with nature, with society, with anything. This is the base.

Speaker 2: 27:16

So whatever is going on inside in this relationship with the self will reflect the in the external life, whatever we do, and many times we try to do it backwards. So something doesn't work in our life and we're trying to fix it, and sometimes it works to some degree. But if it's not fixed or changed at the same time on the level from which it originated, it will be back to the same. So even if you change the external circumstances because you don't like something, if it's not changed on the deeper self level, you will recreate the same circumstances, even if it's different scenario outside. So you can't cheat it. I mean you can't really ignore it, cheat it or say that you know you beat the system.

Speaker 1: 28:15

It's just simple I've got a couple of questions around that. Firstly, um, have you had your own personal journey of healing and when you were seeing this in your clients, this? You know what is it and you're trying to get to the bottom of what is it. What is it? Did you see something happening in yourself as well?

Speaker 2: 28:42

Yes, all the time. And you know, by the way, you know, doing EFT with people, it's it's amazing because you know, when I do EFT with people, it's it's amazing because you know, when I do EFT with people during the session, I tap on myself and I say those sentences out loud and they just tap on themselves and repeat after me. So you know, so I did probably billions of EFTs on on myself that were not kind of mine, but I I am sure that I released tons of things that I was not even aware of because I was doing it for people but I was doing it physically on myself. So it's like I'm doing it on myself. So, yes, and you know, when I do EFT with people during the session, even if I work sometimes, you know, six, seven hours a day, I should be be tired I actually am more energized after I finish work. I, you know, I, I can wake up tired and go to work like, okay, let's start the sessions and then, after seven, seven hours of of work, suddenly I, I'm so energized I want to jump mountains because the eft tapping when I do it with people for for a few hours during the day it's amazing.

Speaker 2: 29:49

So, so, but yes, but you know the the exploration of, of the deepest, darkest, it's my passion, so so sometimes I discover something by accident when I when I work with people but I do it on my own almost every day and I actually have a research partner.

Speaker 2: 30:11

She's my close friend who lives in Poland, and we both have kind of abilities to see things and we've been developing those abilities over years and this Sunday we are going to meet again. We do it regularly and we just dive deeply in so-called expanded states of awareness and we have intention to go and see and understand and find and release. And sometimes we go through hell because we encounter some, even collective, trauma that is really heavy and it's painful and it's uh, it's not pleasant, but we are trained by now to just not take it personally, just be with it and then it gets released. So even if I don't have some external traumas going on affecting me, I do it on purpose. I go in the darkest corners because my passion is to uncover as much as possible and understand and release and put some light in there.

Speaker 1: 31:12

Okay do you use uh eft when you're doing that?

Speaker 2: 31:17

process or is it a different process? No, I don't do eft. I stopped doing eft on myself personally probably after two, three years after I I learned eft, but I do it with people. So so you know, because I do it with people, probably I don't have to do it anymore on myself. But when we, when we meet with my friend, um we, we just dive and we just go with the flow, whatever is going on.

Speaker 2: 31:46

And from our meetings and this research we invented kind of or discovered a process that we called inheritance. That's our process. Yes, so this is a process of working with the inner child and inner parent. We don't call it during the process. Those names are only for the book purposes, for the intellectual mind. But when we do it practically, for the book purposes, for the intellectual mind, but when we do it practically on the feeling level, there are certain steps you go through and you heal the inner parent structure by doing certain things during the process. So then at the end you reconnect with with the power which is the inner child, and people describe it like going in a different dimension with totally different vibes there. You know, because it's really amazing, we've been working on it for seven years, yeah so do you take other people through that process or do you do that?

Speaker 1: 32:46

okay, yes, yes. In what kind of? In what kind of structure do you do that? In it, in a group set setting or?

Speaker 2: 32:55

we did both uh. After we were ready to give it to people, we did uh three tests workshops uh online on zoom, and every workshop, every group, was around 35 38 people. So we were leading them through the process and the result was really, really, really amazing in all three groups. But most of the time we do it individually during sessions in one-on-one.

Speaker 2: 33:25

But we are going to back to to groups because we did it two years ago. And we will be going back to groups because we did it two years ago. And we will be going back to groups because even therapists you know who attended the workshop, they were asking if we can teach them this as a tool to work with people, because it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 33:39

Wow, oh, that sounds very cool, yeah, we're going to put some. We're not at the end yet, but I'm just going to just say we'll put some. I'm not, we're not at the end yet, but I'm just going to um, just say we'll, we'll put some links in for um. So if you, if you've got anywhere that we can direct people for for that, then we can? Um, certainly do that. I, I I'd definitely love to find out more about it. Um, what else? What else was I going to say? Oh, so do people come to you mostly for the inheritance process? Now?

Speaker 1: 34:22

No, they mostly come not yet, because it's been not advertised yet.

Speaker 2: 34:28

Oh, is this the big reveal? Well, I talk about it in the book. So the book, uh, the book has been published. Um, it got published last january. It's the second edition of the book, because the first one I did it on my own and I didn't do a good job. So then I asked some professionals to help me with the second edition and I talk a little bit about inheritance in this fixed edition. So it's just been around out just for a little bit. But mostly people come to me as a psychologist because they want to work on something, and then I introduce them to EFT first and then, when they are ready, we do inheritance when they are interested in it. Because when I do inheritance with people, we also address some generational trauma, because this is also something interesting, you know, in our system. So it's good to touch on that too.

Speaker 1: 35:21

Can you tell us a little bit about generational trauma, how it might show up for people? Yeah, for people, um, yeah, and and is it like something that's kind of felt in the body rather than you know? And, rather than you know, we saw something bad happen to our grandparents and they told us a story, but is it something that goes much further than that?

Speaker 2: 35:43

yeah, yeah, first I learned about, about this generational trauma that it exists at all. It was through peak states of consciousness. This is a group of people who do some research on the structure of awareness and I learned that something like this exists and I worked with those people for two years, then I left and then I left, and so so generational trauma how you know, how they talk about it and how I, how I do it with people, how I see it too is something that feels really, really deep and personal. It's like almost on the level of your identity and also it's, I would say, people say, oh, it, it's, it's a part of my character. Uh, so, oh, I, I, I had it already when I was three. So today or yesterday I had a session with with a person and she said uh, you know, I felt this already when I was, when I was three, and I didn't get it from my parents, I didn't learn it, I already knew I had this kind of emotional problem.

Speaker 2: 36:55

So, so, so, so we bring things you know to this world in in the generational, from the generational inheritance, and it's like we are inherit. We inherit the color of your eyes and color of your hair and the shape of your bones and all those features. We also inherit the so-called character. Every child has a character. It's also inherited. It gets shaped later, like your body gets shaped later through being raised and all that. But we come to this world with presets of how we behave, how we feel, how we relate to the world, and it's all from generations. And we come with good generational patterns, generational patterns that are you know, and we like them. But some of them are traumatized, never healed, never released in the in the line of of of generations, and we just come with it and it's our time to try to release it so we don't pass it to the next generation.

Speaker 1: 38:04

wow, yeah, wow, a lot all the things that you've said. I'm like, wow, wow, all right, let's talk about your book. So let's just go with the title to start with. Let's break down the title. You are the dream of the universe.

Speaker 2: 38:34

Yes, part one of the title, yes, what does that mean? So it it means, I mean, it came to me. I was participating in a workshop, online workshop, uh, and we had some some exercises to do, uh, some reflections, some meditations, and so I, so one day I I kind of, you know, went in with the exercise that I was supposed to do and I saw this relation between between me and those big dreams. And the dreams were kind of like on the horizon, you know in the space, and I said, oh, this is like the universe. You know, that's what I thought. And and then I saw a relation between me and those dreams and I said, oh, my gosh, there is something out there. I call it my dream, but actually, whatever is there, it dreamt me, it was dreaming about me, and then I came to existence, and now I'm dreaming, and it was kind of a weird process, you know, and this phrase, you know, appeared you are the dream of the universe.

Speaker 2: 39:34

And I said, man, that would be a really nice title for a book. Oh, cool, yes, at that time I was not thinking about writing a book yet. I mean, clients were asking me, oh, you should write, you know, those things that you are talking about. You should write it in the book because it's so cool, I want to read about it. So I had somewhere in the back of my head maybe one day I would write the book. But at that time when the title came, I was not writing the book yet. But then when I started, I thought, man, this is a really good title. Yeah, that's how it appeared, yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:03

I love it. Okay, and then the next part, part two of the title moving. Okay, and then the next part, part two of the title moving towards the inner adult as a further step in the evolution of self-awareness. I think you've covered off a fair bit of that.

Speaker 2: 40:19

But I will mention the third, inner, because it was inner child, inner parent and the subtitle there's an inner adult. Ah yeah, and then the subtitle there's an inner adult. So that was my understanding of those mechanics. And so the inner child is the essence, right, it's the power, it's your soul, it's, you know, the enthusiasm for life and joy and love and everything. The inner parent is the form that helps the essence to be be formed in life, shaped into something really beautiful.

Speaker 2: 40:56

And then when those two structures, those two parts of the structure, the inner child and inner parent, are really connected, united, when they are one and there's no trauma, no bad beliefs about anything, you're just like whole and one, then you, then I saw that you become an inner adult, that there's an inner adult. It's like another structure, it's like it's a totally different you know game. Now when, because there's, there's no inner child and inner parent anymore, it's so one that it becomes inner adult. And now you, this, you are this real observer, always loving, always calm, always distance to a distant you know nicely, distant to to everything. Nothing catches you, nothing in, affects you in a bad way, and the processes are totally different. You're not emotional anymore, the emotions start playing totally different role in the system. They are not those inner child. You know emotions, you know they are not regulated, they, they kind of ascend to another level. So that's the inner adult and to me, I understand it that way that it's really the next, next level of evolution of self-awareness, when we all become inner adults, because we are adults in the body but inside we are not inner adults.

Speaker 2: 42:20

When you look what's going on in humanity, we are not inner adults. We are going there but we are not. We have to fix the inner parent structure because the inner parent is failing and failing and failing. Again. It has problems. We, when we, once we fix it and the inner child is really happy and ready to play with life and feel safe, then we enter the another's. You know there's. I see the inner adult when, when we reach the inner adult level, there is no lack, no crime, no, no greed, no fear of anything happening, there's no fight for anything or with anything, because it's a totally different level of processing this whole world.

Speaker 1: 43:09

And on that topic, do you feel like there is a, there's been a shift, like there's a bigger movement towards that happening, like your role and what you're doing is obviously playing a part, because you're helping people to find that inner adult, to make those connections between the inner child and the inner parent and make it coherent? Do you feel that your work is really for that greater purpose of helping to heal humanity?

Speaker 2: 43:50

Well, I hope so that it's on that wavelength. Yes, and you know, when something is happening in the collective, then certain individuals come up with things like this. So I feel like I'm in the service of, of the collective and and, um, I was able to see and understand things and now I can offer it to people so they can take it or not, you know, it's their choice. Uh, yes, and you know when I'm. I mean, we have a lot of problems in the world. We can see, you know, all over the world. But on the other hand, when you look at some people who are waking up, there are more and more of those people and you know, in in the main stream media except craziness that we have, you also hear more and more about being authentic.

Speaker 2: 44:42

I see this more and more and people crave it more and more because they feel those, those facades. You know that we were taught to create for the world, so so we please the world. So when they look at us, they see us perfect and they admire us. You know those things are crumbling more and more. People don't want it anymore. It's tiring, so they want to be authentic, they want to be who they are and they need to be authentic goes the wrong way, but still there is this trend of being more and more the need to be more authentic. Just the self, and it goes back to reconnecting with the deeper self. That's the source of it to be authentic.

Speaker 1: 45:42

And for that you have to have a good parent, inner parent. Yes, yeah, for sure it's interesting, isn't it? Like it's all if you, if you kind of look at how we've been evolving over the last 20 years or so, with you know that ability to have access to all of the things that are happening all over the world, whether they be good or bad or somewhere in between, sometimes you think I don't wanna see all of the things that are happening everywhere. It seems pretty intense, but there's that it's kind of created this global community where we, where we can, um, also start to see the possibilities and other people like that you talk about that awakening in it and, um, you know that there's, yeah, there's those possibilities of using these kind of places like podcasts, social media, for the greater good to get these messages out. It's kind of an interesting way that we're kind of evolving. It's almost like things are going weird, but actually, as a global community, we've got more access to information than ever that can help us to make those changes yes, exactly yeah wow.

Speaker 1: 47:08

Okay, there's another wow, another wow moment, okay. So your book, let's get back to that. So we've broken down the title and I love it. How, what is it? Um? Is it a, would you? How would you describe it? Is it a self-help manual? Does it give you the eft processes like what? What do we expect from your?

Speaker 2: 47:36

book. Yes, so the book is intense, I can say that. So it's really packed with with knowledge and I know you know I published this book first in polish in 2021, so I already have some good feedback from from polish readers and some of them go back three, five, even seven times one person when read the book seven times because it's so packed that every time she read it she uncovered something different that she didn't see the first, second or fifth time. So it is packed and there are 20 eft exercises attached, kind of to the book. So when you read the book, there are 20 EFT exercises attached, kind of to the book.

Speaker 2: 48:20

So when you read the book, there are places when it says EFT exercise and there's a title and you can do the EFT while you are reading the book. You don't have to, it's just optional, but if somebody knows EFT, you know they can use it. So it's not only the intellectual load, but when you tap those points and you touch those emotions, you can. You can release also something while you're reading the book, and so it's intense. So it's for for people who really are serious about learning about their, their uh, their inner self, and some people called it the instruction manual for the human being.

Speaker 1: 49:05

Somebody gave it that name, wow okay, so would you say that it's like a step-by-step or is it like you can dip into different sections? Do you advise people to read the whole thing at once? Like you said, it's pretty big, so you might not be able to read it all in one hit.

Speaker 2: 49:25

Probably it would be good, the first time at least, it would be good to read the whole thing from the beginning to the end, because if you take the book and start reading chapter 7, you may be lost a little bit about. You know what the inner child and their parents structures are, because they are explained, let's say, in the chapter third. So probably it will be good to to read it first time, but when then, when you want to go back to certain parts, you can. You can because probably certain parts hit you more than other parts and you may want to go back to those.

Speaker 1: 49:56

Yeah, To have all of that information inside of you yeah, was it a relief to get it out on paper.

Speaker 2: 50:07

Yes, I mean, you know. The book was reading itself in my head for for a few years and then, when I finally sat down by my desk, it took me three months to to write it. Three months because already there.

Speaker 1: 50:21

So I just said wow, that's pretty good, that's pretty yeah, that's impressive and um, do you ever look back at it and think there are other things you want to add? There must be things that you that, that in the book.

Speaker 2: 50:36

Yeah well, I open a folder on my desktop and it says book number two. So I'm not changing anything in that book. It's complete as it is. But, yes, I have more and more insights, and even more, probably, for real seekers who really want to understand even more. I'm going to put it in the second book.

Speaker 1: 51:00

Right, what's your hope for the?

Speaker 2: 51:03

book, that you know that it will get into people's hands. Yeah, really, that's the only thing, and I don't have any pressure or expectations that there must be some kind of specific outcome. If only two people will read the book and it will change their lives, I'm totally satisfied. I mean, already more people read the book and felt changed. But you know, I'm not saying that it must do anything, it's just there and I'm saying that. You know, when I was reading, when I was writing this book, I had this impression that there is some collective inner child. That is not only the inner child in every one of us, but there is a collective inner child. And the collective inner child just took me by my you know clothes, took me by the desk and said, right, I want it out, and it was just pouring and pouring and writing, and pouring and writing, and that's how it felt. So whatever the book wants to do, whatever the collective inner child wants to do with the book, it's all out there, it's out of my hands. I have no expectations.

Speaker 1: 52:15

Amazing. We are coming close to the end of our hour, so I wonder, like uh, we want to get the book out there to everyone, so we're going to put links to that in the notes. Um, but just wonder, before we do say our farewells, is there anything else that you feel like you want to talk about? Like, is there any kind of? Is there anything where you go? Oh yeah, I wouldn't mind saying that, no pressure.

Speaker 2: 52:51

I didn't think about it, but let me think for one second. Yeah, second, yeah, you know, uh, I was thinking about it recently that, um, well, you know, we talk a lot, a lot about love and how love heals and and it's so needed in the world, and everything, and, yes, but I I'm thinking that there is something even more deciding it's the human will. Because I encountered people who were surrounded by love, unconditional love, and they had opportunity to be healed and they had opportunity to get better. And there was this one thing the will. When will was not there, you know, the, the love can't do anything really, because there's something so sacred about the human will and the human will is not interfered by anything, by no gods or nothing else. It's just we there, we and our will and how we use it. That's what we will have.

Speaker 2: 54:03

And then I even thought you know, you know, I don't know if not everybody knows. I mean, probably most people know the Bible, but not everybody acknowledges it. But I thought about you know the stories from the Bible when Jesus was walking on earth and healing people, and he had so many abilities. He could heal anything, as the message says in the Bible, and he always asked what can I do for you? And he never did more. Even if he could, he always did what he was asked to do. So there was this will, yeah, and. And sometimes it's really hard, especially when, when the when we have people close to us and we see this, they suffer and we want to help them and they say no, that's the hardest to respect that will. So yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1: 54:57

That's the lesson yeah, yeah, that will. So, yeah, yeah, that's the lesson. Yeah, yeah, that's really really great way to end Something along a similar note. I can't remember exactly what it was that I heard, but it was something along the lines of like, when someone tells you something about um them selves, yes, it's easy for us to kind of go into that I need to help you mode, or yes, yeah, and it's like just being heard could be enough. Like, yeah, what exactly wait to be asked?

Speaker 1: 55:38

let them know that you're there for them, but you don't have to like give them more, more than they've asked for they just want to. They just want to be heard and acknowledged, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:51

So if I can add an example I just popped in my head, you know, three years ago my mom died. So she, she and my father, lived in Poland. She died my father is still alive, of course. They were married for XXX years. It was a big trauma for him. I'm in the US, he's in Poland. He stayed alone. It was not easy for him. When I called him once a week, he was sad. He was saying I miss your mom and everything. And I remember one time, you know, when I just didn't try to say that everything will be okay, I didn't try to comfort him, I just said you know what, dad? But it's a tough situation to be in a position like you. It's totally okay to be sad and to go through whatever you're going through, and just by acknowledging it, not trying to fix it or change it, he got so uplifted, his, his voice changed, you know, he suddenly became more joyful. Just because of that, you know, and not yeah. Sometimes nothing else is needed.

Speaker 1: 56:57

Yeah, yeah yeah, what a perfect note to end on. Thank you so much, thank you so? Much. Uh, let's just remind the listeners of the book. You are the dream of the universe moving towards the inner adult. As a further step in the evolution of self awareness, we're going to add all of your links into the show notes and get your book and this podcast out to as many people as we can. Thank you so much for joining me today I really appreciate your time and it's been wonderful thank you.

Speaker 2: 57:29

It was a pleasure to meet you and talk about those things and I really enjoyed our hour yeah, thank you so much bye.