Welcome back to part 2 of Full Moon Conspiracy Night!
Welcome back to part 2 of Full Moon Conspiracy Night!
1:21:27:08 - 01:21:29:23
Mike
Personally, dude, it's Star Wars. It's fine.
01:21:30:01 - 01:21:31:02
Jared
Just going to say.
01:21:31:06 - 01:21:32:12
Mike
No, no, no, no. Like, that's right.
01:21:33:04 - 01:21:34:08
Jared
Star. Like, 100%.
01:21:34:08 - 01:22:11:06
Mike
Yeah. And that's where I'm getting at with it because, like, there's been like I've seen that like recently, like they've translated Star Wars to Navajo and all these Navajos in Navajo Nation were coming out to see this. And like the Elders loved it and were basically walking away like, yeah, it's how it it, you know, like, not like the lasers and light sabers and all that shit, but the idea of the force, good and evil and the dark side, the light side, they're like, that's exactly what it's like.
01:22:11:06 - 01:22:35:00
Mike
And then like how everything's connected and and all that. So like the Navajo people really believe in, like, that whole Star Wars idea. Like, maybe they don't call it the force, but they believe in this ability that allows you to be connected with the entire universe. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so but there is a light and then there is a dark side.
01:22:35:00 - 01:23:07:20
Mike
And the dark side it's skinwalker. And so there's this guy that I was watching on YouTube and he basically said, it's like there's this. It's all within the Navajo Nation. So Navajo Nation is pretty much Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico. But it's between these four mountains that hit and every one of these states. So it's pretty much around the Grand Canyon and this other radius.
01:23:08:15 - 01:23:34:06
Mike
But like within that lake, there are these certain spots and these medicine men would go down and basically they'd go on these like journeys, these adventures and like it depending on what road they took. But if they took the want the right road, they would become the medicine man and they would be able to come back to their tribe and take care of them and whatnot.
01:23:34:06 - 01:24:01:00
Mike
But then if they went down the wrong path, then that would be the path of evil, and then they would basically all the good would be sucked out of them and they would eventually go through the ceremonies that would allow them to be what's called the skinwalker. And so some of the things I was hearing about is like the first thing about becoming a skinwalker is you got to kill like a loved one.
01:24:01:20 - 01:24:23:20
Mike
Someone direct to you and your family. So your your wife, your kid, like something like that, right? Like and that's kind of fucked up. Or your grandparent, your parent, you know, someone that's direct to you, someone that you love. Now, this person wouldn't go into details on some of the other stuff because they said it was it's pretty gruesome.
01:24:23:20 - 01:24:50:06
Mike
But from what I'm getting out of it is I think you do some pretty fucked up shit with the person you kill and you do some kind of ceremonies with that and whatnot. But then at the end you end up killing an animal and then you skinned it and you got to put these inscriptions in the skin and all this, and then you wear the skin and then somehow you transform into this animal.
01:24:50:18 - 01:25:17:05
Mike
And now you have the powers of the animal. Now you have the string, the speed, you know, the intelligence and all this other shit. Um, and so there's that. Now what I was kind of explained to in this, the same guy he was saying is like they're not like, they're like normal people in a way that, like, they're just not like because they're evil.
01:25:17:05 - 01:25:51:08
Mike
They're just going out maliciously killing people, right? You're really only killing people if there's a threat to that, you know, but for the most part, like they just kind of have their own spiritual way and it's just it's in where wherever they're at, they draw the good out of everything. So it's just like if you're around them, like you start feeling heavy and like you feel like something's wrong and, you know, anxiety and and all that shit.
01:25:51:08 - 01:25:51:22
Mike
But, like.
01:25:52:00 - 01:26:09:12
Jared
So it's like when Luke was on the deck of a system. Yeah. And he was wondering what was in the back there. And Yoda was like, Oh, that's where the dark side is. And he had to go in, right? Chopped up fucking Vader. And then his face blew up. Yeah. His face.
01:26:09:12 - 01:26:36:17
Mike
No, no, no. I mean, like, that's so dagobah is actually. Yeah, that is a planet that is favored to the dark side. And that's why Yoda went there. That's how he was able to protect himself from being seen by the Emperor or Vader is by basically balancing the force out with his goodness in that evilness that that rose there.
01:26:37:08 - 01:26:42:18
Jared
So is the Rick and Morty episode where all of Morty's around the outside of the building blocking from.
01:26:43:02 - 01:27:01:18
Mike
Exactly it said oh god but no I mean I but I like I find this very interesting. Like I want to learn more about it. I'm going to be in Arizona in a few weeks. So I might try to do so.
01:27:01:18 - 01:27:08:07
Jared
Like, this isn't the first time I've heard of skin walkers and. No, no, I've heard of walkers.
01:27:08:07 - 01:27:09:09
Mike
Yeah, yeah.
01:27:09:11 - 01:27:19:01
Jared
It's really popular, like the Southwest and then like Mexico and stuff. And like, I even have it on. I like that show Ghost Adventures.
01:27:19:06 - 01:27:20:01
Mike
Yeah, you're right.
01:27:20:17 - 01:27:40:02
Jared
And they, they did a thing where they went into like a cave and like they were talking about skin walkers and everything in the area. And then the lady made them drink like this tea and they didn't realize that it had like kind of some peyote in it. So the guy, everybody got like super high off of it.
01:27:40:02 - 01:27:40:23
Mike
That's awesome.
01:27:41:04 - 01:27:49:08
Jared
It was all filmed by TLC or Discovery Channel, whatever it is. This guy with.
01:27:49:08 - 01:28:12:19
Mike
But here this though like this is what's kind of cool about all of this that I was watching on this guy and I'll have to send it to you of this. This guy was basically saying like if his brother and his uncle are like fucking demon slayers. And so I was like, this is fucking cool because this guy is telling like he's a Navajo guy.
01:28:12:19 - 01:28:38:07
Mike
Like, they don't like talking about this. Like from what I was reading, they don't like talking about this within themselves and they don't like talking about this with outsiders because they feel that it just, it draws this negative attention. But it sounds like if you're like, somebody that, like, has no fear and you don't fear them like you're going to talk about it.
01:28:38:17 - 01:29:00:19
Mike
And that's kind of what I'm getting out of this guy and that's why he's doing it. Like, again, like, I don't know if it's real or fake. I hope, like it. It would be cool if it was real, but like, it sounds like he is literally it's like supernatural. It sounds like the show Supernatural like him and his brother are fucking slaying fucking demons of the Navajo on the Navajo Nation.
01:29:01:04 - 01:29:25:11
Mike
And I'm like, Dude, it's awesome. He's like, Yeah. When I was he said that one time they went and did this investigation and they found this shack. That's where they tracked all this evil energy to. And so he was told that he was too young to go inside because, like, this energy could make him sick because he's not quite at that level yet to fight this.
01:29:25:11 - 01:29:47:16
Mike
And so he understood he stayed out in there, like if anything tries to come in and stop us, you need to stop that. And so he's basically telling the story that he's had. It's he he just they hold swords and shit. They got these weapons and like the only weapon that he really, you know, talked about was sword.
01:29:47:16 - 01:30:01:00
Mike
And I'm like, that's fucking badass. They're like, they're like, fucking blade, dude, just like, fucking in the middle of the desert. Demons are fucking popping out of everywhere slash and demons like crazy.
01:30:01:19 - 01:30:15:18
Jared
Whatever. That that movie was like vampires with James Woods or James Woods, and it's like, you remember that movie? Like, I was in the, like, the Southwest.
01:30:15:18 - 01:30:18:02
Mike
Are you talking about from dusk till Dawn with.
01:30:18:09 - 01:30:34:13
Jared
No, it's funny that average like, oh, that movie. But no, no, this is called vampires. It's with James Wood. Oh, yes. Look it up. And it has the same feel.
01:30:34:13 - 01:30:44:00
Mike
Yeah, that's awesome. But no, like, yeah. Here's the awesome, crazy part of what this dude was saying. So, like, he had this, like.
01:30:44:00 - 01:30:47:00
Jared
That wasn't the crazy part. No or.
01:30:47:18 - 01:31:17:19
Mike
No? Because he said, like, as his like brother and his uncle were going through like these boxes, they were in this like this, this like shack in the middle of the desert. One box they opened up. A woman screamed, but there was no woman anywhere. And like what was weird is there's a picture of a woman and then like some, like, stones and shit and like, they didn't know what the fuck that was, but they were just kind of like, that's weird.
01:31:17:19 - 01:31:46:05
Mike
But then like the next box they opened up was they called it are the Skin Walkers Regalia. I don't know what they mean by that, but it was like some kind of ceremonious, like skin that this skinwalker, all right. Like it's trophy or whatever it was like old buck. And I thought this story was interesting because they took that and it had a really evil vibe with it.
01:31:46:05 - 01:32:13:03
Mike
But they took it. They took it back to their like, settlement or whatever, and they built a bonfire and they did a ceremony to basically bring back the soul of the park. Okay, this is what's cool about that. So that bring this, they're going to bring the soul of the park back and then give it the opportunity to find the fucking skinwalker that killed it.
01:32:13:23 - 01:32:46:01
Mike
Well, this sounds crazy, right? And so he said while they were doing the ceremony, like, he could see, like at the edge of the light because they had like a big, I don't know, like a floodlight somewhere in like he says he remembers seeing like the outer edge and how you could see nothing beyond the light. You know, just like when you're in the dark and you have a light beaming on you and it's like it's hard to see beyond it, but when you walk beyond it, like, it's a lot easier to see it right there.
01:32:46:03 - 01:33:15:13
Mike
But like, he couldn't see anything, but then all of a sudden he just saw the shadows that looked like people walking back and forth. And so like him and his uncle got on guard. They're like, because his brother's like, people are going to try to stop this too, so make sure they don't while we do this. And so while this is happening, finally the brother gets the skin into the fire in this fucking shadow disappear.
01:33:15:13 - 01:33:45:19
Mike
They run off. And then I guess like a few moments later, you just hear a loud scream and then nothing. And so the what this guy was saying was that was the fucking spirit of the buck. Okay, so I'm talking about an animal, actually, a fucking animal spirit came back that was brutally murdered by this thing and came back in and did what it needed to do to get its revenge.
01:33:46:09 - 01:33:58:13
Mike
And it was most likely killed, whatever this was. And I think that's fucking wild. That's. That's what the Navajo people got to go through, man.
01:33:58:16 - 01:34:03:09
Jared
These fucking people are fucking drinking peyote.
01:34:03:09 - 01:34:08:06
Mike
Maybe, maybe. Or maybe there's something to it.
01:34:08:22 - 01:34:24:22
Jared
But I mean, so while the Native American have who knows how long they've been established for, you know, probably more people better than I would know. But I would say.
01:34:25:01 - 01:34:26:20
Mike
3000 B.C..
01:34:26:20 - 01:34:36:01
Jared
Okay, so 3000 B.C. where are the people in fucking Egypt passing down for their crazy stories and shit? You know what I mean?
01:34:36:01 - 01:34:36:16
Mike
Like, right?
01:34:37:06 - 01:35:00:23
Jared
All right. I feel like the less science there was, the more they had to come up with stories to determine what things were for and for whatever reason. Like, it could be like, Hey, this guy's fucking retarded. Like, we know he's got, like, retardation now, but back in the day, it was like he's got a demon in him.
01:35:00:23 - 01:35:01:14
Jared
Go kill him.
01:35:01:21 - 01:35:02:08
Mike
But not.
01:35:02:13 - 01:35:06:04
Jared
Me. But, Jared, you know, it'd be like their explanation for.
01:35:06:12 - 01:35:06:22
Mike
Yeah.
01:35:07:11 - 01:35:36:21
Jared
Of abnormal things was, was through their religion. But I'm not saying that this story's, like, wrong, but I mean, you can look at it from a standpoint of, like, stories all the way back, like, yeah, you know, like, even, like, from, like a lot of Eastern Europeans. Right, right. Stuff that we still even talk about today, like, yeah, Santa Claus fucking Hansel and Gretel.
01:35:37:01 - 01:35:44:11
Mike
Well, Santa Claus was created by Coca-Cola for real. I mean, Saint Nicholas was the actual.
01:35:45:00 - 01:35:49:09
Jared
Yeah, that's what I'm like. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah.
01:35:50:20 - 01:36:23:00
Mike
But the fat guy in the red suit with the jolly fucking rosy cheeks is Coca-Cola. They. They did that fucked up. But no, what I wanted to say, though, is, like, what this guy's talking about in recent times. So it's not like he's telling stories from, you know, the ancient times or whatever or from, you know, before Americans settled on the land he's talking about like he's actively hunting.
01:36:23:10 - 01:36:32:00
Mike
Apparently skin walkers with his family. They're like they they are supernatural. They are. They are. The show is supernatural, I guess.
01:36:32:01 - 01:36:38:03
Jared
Yeah. Like, okay, it's the fucking 21st century. There's a camera everywhere.
01:36:38:18 - 01:36:41:05
Mike
But not in Navajo Nation. No, that's thing.
01:36:41:13 - 01:36:51:23
Jared
Motherfuckers have cell phones like don't give me that bullshit. They do are not they're not like that far behind. But what if they'll dance around fire and shit?
01:36:52:05 - 01:36:53:06
Mike
Okay, well, I.
01:36:53:06 - 01:36:56:21
Jared
Know normal lives. They live in trailers and shit, but like.
01:36:57:03 - 01:37:27:08
Mike
Like somebody this might leak. So, like what? I don't know how to put it. So, like, what if the Navajos do have these understandings of these abilities? Let's just say, like, we don't know a whole lot about Native American cultures in general. Like what they're like their deep parts, like their deep beliefs. We know very little because they have held on to that.
01:37:27:19 - 01:38:12:01
Mike
I mean, mainly because of all the shit that white man has done to them, you know? And they feel that if they share this with the outsider, that they're just going to exploit it and destroy it, you know? So but like back to the Navajos, like, I mean, like, what if they do it? What if these medicine men like what if it through deep meditation, they have these abilities to, you know, be telekinetic, be telepathic, you know, in fuck with frequencies or whatever, through song or whatever, to heal people in all that shit.
01:38:12:13 - 01:38:36:12
Mike
But like with that said, now you got the skinwalker who has similar abilities but is now just quite evil. What if they do have the ability to create an electromagnetic field that does fuck with the phone and like maybe somebody does try to take the photo, but they can't because the phone. Now, I haven't heard stories like that, but like.
01:38:38:07 - 01:38:38:21
Jared
I get.
01:38:38:21 - 01:39:10:15
Mike
Like if we get into this paranoia all the Yeah. If we get into the idea that this paranormal ability is possible, that could be a reason why this has never been caught. I mean, there's a here's the thing. There is a lot of reports of the skinwalker and not only just what natives, but like with outsiders, too. So people that aren't native, but there is no proof of it, just like Bigfoot, you know, and whatnot.
01:39:10:15 - 01:39:14:19
Mike
Now, I'm not going to say UFOs because there's some pretty fucking good evidence of UFO.
01:39:15:11 - 01:39:17:23
Jared
There's a lot better pictures of UFO.
01:39:18:01 - 01:39:18:21
Mike
Exactly.
01:39:18:22 - 01:39:53:05
Jared
Yeah. It's like, okay, like the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot and all these things where, like, every fucking picture of them is always, like, super blurry. Like, I'm sorry, right at the it, like, kind of brings you back to this too. Like, I could take a picture out of my goddamn window, and it would look amazing. You know, the camera phone, you know, just sitting right there every time somebody comes on TV that, oh, this person robbed a bank, it's like, what kind of cameras do you motherfuckers have at your banks that these people look fucking ridiculous?
01:39:53:08 - 01:39:55:21
Mike
You know what it is? You know what?
01:39:55:21 - 01:39:56:18
Jared
It blurry.
01:39:57:06 - 01:40:12:19
Mike
You know what I think it is so like if you send your photo, your video is a text message, your phone downgrades it and it looks like you're. Yeah, somebody's fucking senate like that to the news company and that's all they got.
01:40:13:01 - 01:40:16:03
Jared
It's like an Apple phone and they sent it to a Samsung.
01:40:16:11 - 01:40:25:13
Mike
Yeah. Like you just email it, you fucking douche bag like like fucking weird. Like they get a dropbox link, you moron.
01:40:26:01 - 01:40:49:14
Jared
That's what it always looks like. It's like anytime there's something supernatural or something that nobody would believe the video footage of this is just like the most amateur shit from, like, 1996. Or it's like, Oh, we took a VHS of it and just copied it over to DVD, and here's a digital file of it.
01:40:49:14 - 01:41:14:02
Mike
Well, I'll tell you what, if you look at my documentary, TJ, Jackson's footage of the lights that we saw written the part, I mean, no, I'm not. I mean, it was back in 2000. What, so or 2005 or something like that. And like the camcorders at the time had the little DVDs in them, you know what I mean?
01:41:14:10 - 01:41:47:10
Mike
Like, that's what he had and that's what he captured with. And I would say his is pretty good. He is somebody that like that's the problem. When you watch a lot of UFO videos, they don't focus on the same thing. They start looking at the fucking space around them for whatever fucking reason. And you know, and that's how it's easy to throw fakes in there because like you have somebody that's frantic and they start looking all over the place and then like it's not focused on the actual thing.
01:41:47:10 - 01:42:15:05
Mike
And then you're kind of like, What the fuck's going on? If they just stood still for a second, I could get a good look at it. And they never do. But he did. He actually kept his fucking focus on it. And that's like any UFO investigator that tells you talk to him and you're like, Hey, some advice. Like, if I see a UFO, what I do, you aim that camera on there, you don't fucking zoom in, you don't try to do anything.
01:42:15:05 - 01:42:22:11
Mike
You just get it on camera and you keep focused on it, you know what I mean? Like, don't you.
01:42:22:11 - 01:42:32:18
Jared
Think this kind of goes along with, like we've talked about this before? Like, yeah, the more fake content you put out on there makes the real content look fake.
01:42:33:12 - 01:42:34:20
Mike
Well, yeah, you know what I mean?
01:42:34:20 - 01:42:54:08
Jared
So it make it's the it's the oh, look, there's a some kind of natural gas fire that caused lights in the sky over here. Yeah. You make it sound so implausible that any real plausible story sounds dumb to.
01:42:54:18 - 01:42:55:15
Mike
Write.
01:42:55:15 - 01:43:29:05
Jared
You know? So it's that it's. If that's making people's true stories sound implausible, Bill, by having a bunch of fake stories at the same time discrediting people that actually have real stories by and that's that government aspect of it where it's again, they're like, oh, well, we have, you know, this is an unidentified, you know, flying, whatever. Yeah, I don't even call it a UFO anymore.
01:43:30:02 - 01:43:31:21
Jared
UAP maybe. Yeah.
01:43:31:21 - 01:43:35:06
Mike
UAP So unidentified aerial phenomenon.
01:43:35:06 - 01:43:57:01
Jared
Yeah, we don't know what it is, but you know, we'll show you a picture of it and you know, we don't even know what it is. And even the footage that they show like, Oh, we're going to have fucking Tom fucking what's his face from Hong Kong t to show you this and you're going to believe him that it's a fucking real story.
01:43:57:01 - 01:44:28:12
Jared
And then you're like, This motherfucker is from Angels and Airwaves, and you're trying to make him some ambassador. And I'm supposed to believe this. Like the other day, he was talking, singing about fucking bombs and stuff and, like, wieners. Yeah. Like, I'm supposed to believe that he's fucking the ambassador of of of UFOs and the, you know, extraterrestrials, and that the problem with he could be 100% and, you know, he could be telling 100% of the truth.
01:44:28:19 - 01:44:35:21
Jared
Yeah. It's just his credibility is so gone because of who he is and what he does. And.
01:44:37:04 - 01:44:38:05
Mike
Well, that was supposed to be.
01:44:38:05 - 01:44:46:20
Jared
This fucking guy. Like, well, like, okay, he's he's in with the for the kids. But let me let me bring it back behind.
01:44:47:11 - 01:45:30:19
Mike
I'll bring it back here. So Tom DeLong apparently is the one that figured shit out. And he started reaching out to people and asking questions, which then sparked the attention of Jim Sammy Van. I can't think of the other guy's name. It's like Christopher or something. And then just basically all these guys, they're within the government. So Jim, Sammy Vance with the CIA, I can't think of the other guy's name, but he was part of it was either George Bush or yeah, it was part of George Bush's administration.
01:45:30:19 - 01:46:03:01
Mike
And he was like the secretary of defense or something or like that or like the assistant secretary of defense. And then there was Dr. Hale put off, and then there was another guy from one of the like not Boeing, but like Nordstrom Gremlin or something. There was a guy from there. And so basically because Tom DeLong was starting to ask these questions, he was going up to these retired people and asking these questions.
01:46:03:15 - 01:46:24:22
Mike
It sparked this attention. And so somebody got a hold of them and basically said, we want to meet you at this location here in the desert. Well, apparently that's area 51. And so he drove out to Area 51. He went in there. They brought him into a skiff, and they started asking him about, you know, what do you want to talk about?
01:46:24:22 - 01:46:44:18
Mike
You know, what do you think? You know what? Basically, we want to hear what you what you have to say. So he tells the story. He doesn't exactly say what he talked about, but he's basically like, you know, so I've been looking into this and I see there's a lot of bad things and there's a lot of misinformation on there.
01:46:44:18 - 01:47:13:07
Mike
But like, I really think the situation he basically thinks the situation is we just don't know what the fuck this is. And it's created and we've created all this secrecy that's created all this like crazy fucking ideas out there, right? Like, so the shit we're, we always talk about, you know, and like, but really it's not that. It's just it's kind of something more dumb.
01:47:13:07 - 01:47:35:11
Mike
It's just we don't really know what it is. And nobody's really stepping up to trying to figure it out. And so whatever they had this meeting and it it assumed that it was going to clear out, but then it was pretty much two guy. He he doesn't name these people, but I'm assuming who they are based on everybody that's involved.
01:47:35:11 - 01:47:58:19
Mike
But two people hang back and one of them I believe is Jim Semi Van and the other one is the guy that runs this guy that runs Northrop Grumman or whatever or works within one of those defense contractors. And this is basically where they revealed or I'm like, so you want to talk about aliens yet? So what they exist.
01:47:58:19 - 01:48:27:12
Mike
What's the big deal? What do you want to know about them? And then that's where like Tom DeLong was like he goes, Well, I think there's like a conscious aspect to it. Like, again, I don't know the exact conversation that went down, but like these are the main points. And like he comes out and he says something about consciousness and all of a sudden these guys eyes light up and they're like, and then all of a sudden they talk for hours about consciousness and how like it runs the aircrafts.
01:48:27:12 - 01:49:05:14
Mike
It like it basically drives all the technology that they've looked at in and shit like this. So that's kind of where Tom DeLong comes in. So it's like, you know, it's hard to say, but like Tom DeLong claims, he sold himself to them. He said, listen, I am the guy that has this demographic that ranges from young teenagers to fucking, you know, 20 year olds out of college all the way to like people in their middle age right now.
01:49:06:01 - 01:49:31:02
Mike
And maybe even beyond that, you know, in their fifties. So like he's trying to sell the idea that he has access to pretty much all these demographics and that if they work together, that they can create media, they can create all these things, they can see the idea and kind of just let this flow out, you know? So that's what he's been working on with To the Stars.
01:49:31:02 - 01:50:06:18
Mike
They make movies, they make comic books. And then that's where Angels and Airwaves comes in. Angels in Airwaves is supposed to be this experiment for basically now the music nowadays is to push towards disclosure. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but like it's like subliminal shit where it's talking about aliens exist and it's not like the original song Aliens Exist, but it's, it's talking about the stars and all this shit.
01:50:06:23 - 01:50:37:21
Mike
And then he's got movies, he's got books that they write fictional books about this stuff. And it's all this part of the plan, part of the plan to get everybody on board with the disclosure. And so when it does come out that there isn't this chaos, because that's always been the worry behind it, is you're going to have religions that collapse like all societies is going to collapse because people are going to realize they're not the only thing anymore.
01:50:38:13 - 01:50:54:04
Mike
And that like, why? Why fucking work anymore? Why do anything? Why allow this society to keep continuing when there's like a greater being out there that can fucking kill us by just, you know, smashing us with their finger or something like that, you know.
01:50:55:04 - 01:50:55:15
Jared
The lives are.
01:50:56:10 - 01:51:03:11
Mike
Right, but let's get into that. Let's get into the lizard people.
01:51:05:04 - 01:51:05:15
Jared
I mean.
01:51:05:23 - 01:51:06:17
Mike
We can do it.
01:51:08:08 - 01:51:36:07
Jared
But I don't really have much at all aspect. But I really, really what it comes down to is that there's this kind of gets into the whole flat earth or things, you know, it's not so much that there's these are beings that are from this planet and they are of the higher power than us. Right? They're just a greater being.
01:51:37:00 - 01:51:59:09
Jared
Yeah, they are controlling us, you know what I mean? This can kind of get you into that skinwalker thing because they say a lot of these, you know, lizard people are shapeshifters. Shapeshifters, which is kind of the same idea that, you know, you hear of skin walkers are kind of shapeshifters, you know, have you.
01:51:59:09 - 01:52:17:05
Mike
Ever gotten into. David Eick Learning about reptiles and all that? That's that's a good source. That's a guy that has a lot of good shit on the whole reptilian thing and all that.
01:52:17:05 - 01:52:30:08
Jared
Yeah. I mean, it's, I don't know, I haven't really delved into it. I mean, I think it has a lot to do with the, the whole shapeshifter thing. You know, everybody's kind of got their own thing, but.
01:52:30:23 - 01:52:32:02
Mike
They do, right.
01:52:33:18 - 01:52:46:01
Jared
Like every almost religion has their own version of that, which makes you think, okay, so if all these religions have their explanation of something, they all have the same experience.
01:52:46:21 - 01:52:47:10
Mike
Right?
01:52:47:14 - 01:52:57:08
Jared
You know what I mean? So I mean, what is bringing that experience to all of these people? And that's religions across different areas.
01:52:57:17 - 01:53:33:10
Mike
It's also the interesting thing about Navajo is like and what I do know is like some of their beliefs are that they are Starchild that they came from the stars they like they they were placed on this planet that they, they didn't come from this planet, which I find very fucking interesting, you know what I mean? And then having these abilities, you know, there's this different way of looking at the world and it like they almost seem to be like this mystical people that have these power.
01:53:33:10 - 01:54:05:08
Mike
Like the like it just seems like Dungeons and Dragons and then like the native people have magic powers and stuff like that, you know? Um, but like, yeah, the lizard people. So my understanding of lizard people is so they're like a race that comes from so they do come from the stars, but they ended up going subterranean if that makes sense.
01:54:05:08 - 01:54:54:22
Mike
So they so I guess it depends on what theory. Like if you get in to like the globe theory, maybe they're on the other side of the ice wall or whatever. But if you get into like this other theory is like they basically they receded themselves to the subterranean and only few of them come out. But those few that come out are the ones that are manipulating the world, manipulating them like so I can't remember if like humans were like I guess what it was is like humans weren't slaves for the fact to make products or, you know, make goods and send it back.
01:54:55:16 - 01:55:25:04
Mike
But there's something with the reptilians where they feed off negative energy. And so like when you look at a world in the negative energy that it creates, like there are all feeding off of that. And that's why we have the fucked up shit we do, why people suffer and others don't, you know, and why there's favoritism opposed in all their crap, right?
01:55:26:02 - 01:55:58:04
Mike
Yeah. So like that, you know, for me, I've never really gotten into the reptile ends, but like if you get into this guy, Corey, not Feldman, not that guy Corey Goode, that's his name. So Corey Goode is this guy that claims he was part of a a secret space program type thing, but only back in the seventies, he was sent in.
01:55:58:07 - 01:56:24:12
Mike
He basically time travel. He was part of a program. He was like only 16 at the time. And so he was taken during like a vacation break, like a winter break or summer break. He was gone for a week. And so basically he said he was taken into this program. His parents thought he was going to a camp or some kind of thing.
01:56:25:04 - 01:56:58:00
Mike
And so what they did was they injected him with all this shit and then he ended up going like into this like machine that, like, sent him back in time or summer forwards in time or something. And like this is where he started learning about like the, like the universe and like all these different alien species and shit and like, he was, he said he was gone for like several years.
01:56:58:00 - 01:57:22:19
Mike
And then he came back and they injected him with more shit and then they sent him back to the time that he came from. And then he lived out his life again. But he said he's he always gets like images and like messages. He's in communication with people. He's mad like. And I'm talking about different species of races and stuff.
01:57:24:01 - 01:57:31:01
Mike
So there's like the bird people, I forget what he calls them. I think they're called the aliens. Go figure. Right.
01:57:32:18 - 01:57:33:17
Jared
There's a real original.
01:57:34:01 - 01:58:07:03
Mike
Here, right? There's the Avians. They're like the bird people. There's the Reptilians, then there's the Nordics. So the the tall white blonds and all that shit. Um, that's about all I know. I feel like there's a couple other races, but like he was saying, like some of his first experiences and like he's claiming this is in the seventies, like he gets a bored like or he travels to like Jupiter and like there's like a bay.
01:58:07:03 - 01:58:55:02
Mike
So over there and like it like what's crazy as he says, he like he's handed a tablet, but it's like he calls it a tablet because he's seen like an iPad all that nowadays. But like he said back then, this was just a piece of glass and it was handed to me. And once I touched it, all of a sudden, images stuff just started appearing like it was clear glass that turned into like a interactive tablet and then like had all this information and he's like and I was able to read it too, because it's sense, like who I was in like my language and what I knew, which I was like, That's fucking wild.
01:58:56:00 - 01:59:06:14
Mike
But it's just like the same time though. Like this guy just. He just seems like he's just the kind of a weirdo, you know what I mean?
01:59:07:12 - 01:59:08:08
Jared
I mean, don't they all?
01:59:08:18 - 01:59:33:07
Mike
Yeah. I mean, some seem legit, like. I mean, I look at Doctor Greer. I don't think he's a weirdo. He he, like, seems very legit. But I think the problem and the reason I see that is because he's a fucking doctor, he's a medical surgeon. So it's like my mind has to be like, dude, he's no bullshit. Like, he, he doesn't believe in this kind of shit for no reason like that.
01:59:33:08 - 01:59:36:15
Jared
But there's people that are not that still do good stuff.
01:59:37:01 - 02:00:00:09
Mike
I know. No, I know, I know, I know. But it's like. It's like your brain tells you, though, like this guy, like, fucking this open heart surgery. Like, why would he make up, like, the government has this whole secret space program and they got all these technologies and like like I will tell you why. It's the perfect cell.
02:00:00:09 - 02:00:01:07
Mike
You know, it's like.
02:00:01:11 - 02:00:32:20
Jared
The one thing like, well, being a surgeon is a, you know, thought as a very, very high position. It's still a job, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you have to have a good brain. You have to have really good hands. And this and that. Yeah. But it's still still a job, which, I mean, you're fit. The position does not mean that you have to be smart.
02:00:33:22 - 02:00:41:20
Jared
You know, I shouldn't say that. The position doesn't mean that you have to fuck off.
02:00:41:20 - 02:00:42:04
Mike
I don't know.
02:00:42:08 - 02:01:04:17
Jared
What you are or what you know. I want to be a surgeon. Mean. Yeah, because being smart could be a lot of different things, you know? Yeah. Look at, you know, what's this face that was in the wheelchair was fucking Stephen Hawking. Yes. Even ha. I mean, he was smart, but he can do surgery, you know? So, like.
02:01:05:03 - 02:01:07:16
Mike
Jared, I am smart.
02:01:08:10 - 02:01:08:16
Jared
Yeah.
02:01:08:20 - 02:01:12:17
Mike
Yeah, I will do your own backyard surgery and.
02:01:12:20 - 02:01:39:13
Jared
Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't want that motherfucker touching me with a knife. So, I mean, there's a there's different levels of knowledge, I guess. Yeah. It'd just be like a rocket scientist could still, you know, think, oh yeah, there's aliens and this, that just because he knows how to do his job very well and he's smart enough to do that doesn't mean, you know, there's very socially awkward people.
02:01:39:14 - 02:01:44:20
Jared
Well, good at things like that have autism. Yeah. I mean I get it. So I mean is.
02:01:45:08 - 02:01:45:16
Mike
My.
02:01:45:23 - 02:01:58:19
Jared
Story just gets extreme because I I'm a doctor, but then and now I'm a fucking healer that goes out and we're all going to fucking hum shit in the middle of the desert. I ever the.
02:01:58:22 - 02:01:59:08
Mike
Aliens.
02:01:59:08 - 02:02:04:22
Jared
By humming. Yeah by humming. We're going to go to a different dimension. We're going to call the aliens. And I.
02:02:04:23 - 02:02:06:17
Mike
Will I will say that it's like the.
02:02:06:17 - 02:02:08:02
Jared
Weirdest line.
02:02:08:07 - 02:02:31:01
Mike
There is the weirdness that is the weirdest thing, like when watching a doctor documentary. So like you go through this whole documentary and it's like fucking just like downer shit. Like, your fucking government hates you. They're fucking lying. You, like, aliens are everywhere. They don't nothing to do with us because we're just fucking guards that kill each other.
02:02:31:17 - 02:02:54:02
Mike
And but like, there's all this technology that could change the world, but, like, we're just pieces of shit, and it's never going to happen. And then all of a sudden, it just fades to him like, Oh, but yeah, I got all my friends and all my family and we and I do this all the time and we do different meditations and we bring all the we do first contact.
02:02:54:02 - 02:03:03:21
Mike
And, you know, we're making a difference in the world. And everybody just meditates and opens their hearts that is are going to come and we're going to just be happy.
02:03:03:21 - 02:03:10:23
Jared
Dandy motherfuckers. Yeah, that's what fucking. That's where you lose me. Like, if he was like, good.
02:03:10:23 - 02:03:17:06
Mike
Thing he does it at the church and he did that in the beginning, we'd be all we'd all be out. Yeah, like, who the fuck?
02:03:18:01 - 02:03:39:10
Jared
If he was like, Hey, I'm a fucking surgeon. I believe in aliens. This is why. Yeah, okay. But then it's at the end, it's. Well, we're going to go into the fucking desert and I'm going to fucking pull my pants down and show my be health of a fucking satellite. Yeah, we're going to have a song, and then the aliens are going to come down and make contact with us.
02:03:39:10 - 02:04:02:10
Jared
Like, it's like, okay, you just. Even if it was true, like, you just made it way too extreme for me to believe it anymore. You know what I mean? All right, even if that's the way that I got to contact people's fucking going out in the middle of the desert, humming along and fucking showing my butthole to the sky, like, that's one thing.
02:04:03:12 - 02:04:04:12
Mike
But what I do.
02:04:04:12 - 02:04:11:16
Jared
It's where they come in. When you go to fucking Arizona, that's what you're going to be. And again, like.
02:04:12:05 - 02:04:19:06
Mike
Know me, Melinda, my wife will sticking her buttholes in the sky and the aliens will arrive.
02:04:19:20 - 02:04:24:07
Jared
Yeah. Get some B be whole B-roll for us on that one.
02:04:24:07 - 02:04:50:17
Mike
The you know that David Koresh guy that was doing all the congressional hearings for one I'm like I thought the was in is like forties or some this guy is only a year older than like myself here you're younger than you like. Yeah holy shit. And there like this guy's claiming that he's he's seen all this or he's read it into all these projects and stuff.
02:04:51:01 - 02:05:35:05
Mike
He's got incredible background of the different intelligence organizations and projects he's worked on and like who was talking about it. I forget if it was Jeremy Corbell or somebody else, but the thing about him is like so the way he got around to like disclosing everything he has is basically it had something to do with confronting these projects but them not confirm naming nor denying that they existed or something.
02:05:35:07 - 02:06:08:23
Mike
So like it was like something like he tricked them. Like I feel like the way he went about it was like if, if he asks them about it and they actually told him a straight answer, it would reveal everything. But like but that's how he's saying how it like why it's revealing is because they won't confirm or deny that this project's taking place like they should be saying no, if anything, you know, like, no, this never happened.
02:06:09:10 - 02:06:10:01
Mike
But they want.
02:06:10:03 - 02:06:25:01
Jared
Then it makes anything that he asks not believable. Because if you can't confirm, I can't confirm or deny that that's like the fucking that's in the handbook for the government answers. I you know that's happening. No, no.
02:06:25:01 - 02:06:26:08
Mike
No I'm not saying it right.
02:06:26:14 - 02:06:26:20
Jared
Look.
02:06:27:05 - 02:06:31:21
Mike
It's. No, no, it's not like they're confirming nor denying.
02:06:31:21 - 02:06:37:08
Jared
It's like I guess denying it 100%.
02:06:37:08 - 02:06:37:23
Mike
Right?
02:06:37:23 - 02:06:49:04
Jared
So it makes it somewhat plausible. But at the same time, because they didn't say yes, the bill makes it in.
02:06:50:00 - 02:07:17:07
Mike
Here's what I'm telling. I think there's there's a lot of people in Congress that fucking believe what he's what he was saying there. And then they also had a backdoor meeting with him, and they got a lot more out of that. But actually, now that I'm starting to think about it, I don't think that back door meeting ever happened because he only said that he would do it if it was in a skiff and they all had clearances.
02:07:18:01 - 02:07:44:14
Mike
And I think they had the clearances, but they never got the skiff and it never happened because I forget what the acronym for Skiff is, but it's a secure room. It's basically it's basically a room that has a bunch of white noise plane on the outside of it and it's heavily insulated. And then I don't think you can get cell phone receptions or anything in them either.
02:07:45:08 - 02:08:15:15
Mike
So it's basically it draws out every kind of wireless signal in them and then people walking by can't hear anything because there's a bunch of white noise. They just have white noise speakers in the hallways. So so you can't hear anything that's going on. So that's that's basically what a skiff is. It's just like a place to just talk about top secret shit and not and not get leaked out, I guess.
02:08:15:15 - 02:08:20:11
Mike
I don't know. But yeah.
02:08:21:21 - 02:08:24:08
Jared
I just.
02:08:24:08 - 02:08:25:16
Mike
I wish you could tell.
02:08:25:16 - 02:09:03:03
Jared
They need to get like I feel like everybody that has a conspiracy theory, there's like some weird fucking thing about them. Like, why can't it just be a normal person that is the representative for these people? I feel like that's where they have that disconnect is that even if this shit is true and these people are not off their rocker, there's just something about them that's always just just off, you know, just a little bit, you know, it doesn't matter who it is, but it's like, yeah, like that Doctor Greer guy, if it was just, I'm a fucking surgeon.
02:09:03:05 - 02:09:11:02
Jared
This is what I believe and this is what I know, and I will be perfectly fine. But then all of a sudden, there's just that little extra that's like, Yeah, so.
02:09:11:06 - 02:09:14:02
Mike
Oh, but people come to medication. Yeah.
02:09:14:14 - 02:09:14:22
Jared
Yeah.
02:09:14:22 - 02:09:37:03
Mike
Well, what I don't like about his story is it's like all of a sudden people are coming to him, like, and it's like that's how he, like, puts, he's like and he, like, starts crying about it too. Like, he's just like, it's so emotional that like, all of a sudden, all these people start coming to him, and I'm like, I'm still trying to figure out like, why are they fucking coming?
02:09:37:03 - 02:10:12:08
Mike
Do you like, why like, but he claims, like, he has inside with his family, working for Nordstrom grumbling and all that. But like he be like it's solely convoluted, like how he got read into it. It's like, okay, you're a fucking surgeon. You do heart surgeries. Like in you do emergency surgeries, but then like some high up somebody or somebody in the military or somebody comes up to you and is just like, I'm going to give you this fucking information.
02:10:12:22 - 02:10:40:22
Mike
I want, you know, like he like, I don't know if somebody like you can't remember, like he doesn't like exactly tell that origin story. Like he just basically says like for one, he says he was into meditating. So like, things came to him, okay, that's kind of a red flag one, you know, that could be a crazy person, you know, but it could also be ignorant people not understanding like a real power, a real ability.
02:10:40:22 - 02:11:04:21
Mike
Yeah. You know, but then like the second thing is, is like, yeah, he's a surgeon for all these years and then like somewhere in the eighties, like he gets all these documents about like secret space programs and aliens and shit. And because of his fucking meditating back in the seventies when he got bit by a fucking snake in the Bahamas or whatever, like, exactly.
02:11:04:21 - 02:11:34:02
Mike
Like it's all coming together now and then, like, now it's just like, okay, I'm still going to do surgeries, but I'm also going to go on like interviews on like news broadcasts and talk about secrecy of UFOs and all this shit. And then it's become this like 40 year or 30, 40 year, like life's work. And like, I'm just like, how did you have time to be a fucking surgeon?
02:11:34:13 - 02:12:04:16
Mike
Thank you for doing all these goddamn lectures and shit and, you know, like a UFO person will tell you, like, yeah, we do things to make money, but we're not making money like they're like we're not like because we do all these lectures and stuff. We're not bringing in Fuku dollars like sounds like most of their money goes to the places that are hosting them, you know what I mean?
02:12:04:16 - 02:12:27:17
Mike
And like, and they're, they're making a little bit to get by and and live in a home and have nice things. I'm not going to say that they're living poor, but they're living comfortably for sure. But they're not making like to where, you know, they can buy like Teslas and mansions and all this other shit.
02:12:27:17 - 02:12:53:23
Jared
So I don't know, I think there's a lot to this that there's so many levels through all of these theories that's just again, that's like is they could be soberly livable. But then there's always just that one thing that you're just like, What the fuck? You know what I mean? So I don't know. I feel like we just get actually that's how.
02:12:54:07 - 02:13:08:20
Jared
Yeah. We need an expert. That's, that's fucking good here. I mean, that, that, that's just a straight edge dude that you can be like, fuck, this guy knows what the hell he's talking about. It doesn't seem like he's bought out or.
02:13:09:09 - 02:13:38:03
Mike
You know what's nice about the documentary I did, too? Like, so when we did that chili part lights thing, we did find a college professor out and I was in Arizona and like he wrote an article about like the disclosure of, like, the government and like how we should not like just like basically he was saying, like, we should take it serious for sure.
02:13:38:03 - 02:14:00:09
Mike
You know, like he wasn't being weird about it. He wasn't being conspiracy theory about it. He was just like, no, this is this is important. Like our technology is picking it up. It means it's out there and we need to see what it is before we jump to conclusions on what it is and stuff. So it was nice getting that perspective.
02:14:00:09 - 02:14:24:14
Mike
Like, I mean, like he's like, you know what? I want to believe that we're not the only people in this, you know, universe, but it could be, we could be, but like, ah, there's obviously something going on. Like people have been trying to kind of cover it up and it could be a number of reasons just because we don't have the information, we don't have the technology to understand it.
02:14:25:23 - 02:14:47:19
Mike
You know, and also say this. There's the CIA guy, Andrew Buss, the master. He was on that show, the Shawn Ryan show. And so Shawn Ryan started asking, so Andrew's like into China. That's basically where he probably did most of his CIA work was in China and, you know, get an intel on the Chinese and all that shit.
02:14:48:15 - 02:15:27:14
Mike
But like he also had a little aspect to UFO and like, you know, he's not like somebody that necessarily believes that they exist, but he believes that we should investigate what's being talked about in like what people are seeing in art. I find what's interesting is he started popping up like started saying like how there are places within the world where they have just like a heavy concentration of minerals and or heavy minerals and stuff like that, or just minerals in general.
02:15:28:11 - 02:16:01:06
Mike
And like so, you know, when we get back to the pyramids and how like there is different stones and different minerals that build those things, right? And then like there's a belief that because there was a river that ran under some of these, that the river was touching minerals, that when touching water would create an electrical charge. And so there's a belief that the Egyptians were making electricity, you know, through their pyramids or whatever.
02:16:02:00 - 02:16:03:05
Jared
And ah.
02:16:04:08 - 02:16:21:04
Mike
So back to like what he was saying is he's like so it was kind of like the smart way or like the nice way of saying swamp gas, like it's just swamp gas or a scientific way of saying that. But no, he's basically saying.
02:16:21:04 - 02:16:22:07
Jared
That swamp is.
02:16:22:15 - 02:16:53:07
Mike
Yeah, he's basically saying saying that there's these areas in the world have these heavy concentrations of minerals that react electromagnetically and basically we don't know enough about the world when things happen. So like, say there's an earthquake or something like we don't know exactly what's being released. Like we know that there was a buildup of energy and so all of a sudden an earthquake happened.
02:16:53:07 - 02:17:38:15
Mike
We know rocks and stuff started grinding against each other. There's a whole lot of dust that was created. Um, you know, there's land separation and all this stuff, but like, what exactly is being released from the earth? When that happens, we don't fully fucking know. And that can react with electromagnetic frequencies, which some of these areas in the world are creating this just naturally because of the minerals that are in the area and that are mixing with water or or there's a friction of water running past that that's creating a charge like a static charge or something.
02:17:39:14 - 02:17:56:10
Mike
And then all of a sudden it looks like a fucking ball of gas in the sky. And it's like, Oh my God, it's a fucking UFO or so that's what he was getting at is like, you know, I don't want to discount UFOs, but there's still a lot about our planet that we just don't understand quite yet. We're getting there.
02:17:56:10 - 02:18:32:02
Mike
But he's like, some of that could be explained by electromagnetic frequencies interacting with a certain element or something like that. You know, my theory is we we have these places around the earth and they do give off some kind of electromagnetic frequency. But I'm the one that believes aliens exist. So aliens are coming in, you know, essentially recharging that energy, you know what I mean?
02:18:32:17 - 02:18:56:00
Mike
So that's why I like a place like Sedona. You get a lot of UFO encounters because I mean, I mean, this is me as my fucking tour guide out there. Melinda Leslie And, you know, that was one belief she had was it might be a recharging station. She's like, I don't know. But like, you know, this place does give off a weird energy.
02:18:56:09 - 02:19:22:05
Mike
She's brought, like, scientists out there to, like, they've taken electro magnetic frequency tests. And some people have said they're off the fucking rockers here when they're doing these. Yeah. So it, it, it's, it's interesting. So maybe I'll fight a skinwalker, though, when I'm out there. Do you to fucking I'll go buy a sword and shit and I'll be blade.
02:19:23:05 - 02:19:26:13
Jared
Skin walkers are made up of our lost foreskins.
02:19:26:20 - 02:19:58:00
Mike
Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what it is. That's what it is. No, no, it's. It's the pact that the United States made with the natives. In order for the United States to be its country and the natives not to use their magic against, you know, the white people that every every person born in the United States has to get every male born, I should say, has to give up their fucking foreskin for the for the foreskin walkers.
02:19:58:19 - 02:19:59:13
Jared
It's plausible.
02:20:00:21 - 02:20:06:08
Mike
I think that's I think that's what it is, but a.
02:20:07:10 - 02:20:08:02
Jared
Hundred percent.
02:20:09:06 - 02:20:16:12
Mike
But Jared, I think we did it. I think we actually did it to our show today. You didn't think we could do it, but we did it.
02:20:16:14 - 02:20:23:12
Jared
I think so. Well over if you include our or read table read.
02:20:23:12 - 02:20:46:15
Mike
But no, no, no, not well. Yeah but the table reading it it's well I stopped when we break when we went for a break. So it's, it's own separate file. So I mean when you came back, I hit the record button. So I mean, we're we're pretty accurate on timing of what we talked about here. We talked for about an hour and 53 minutes.
02:20:46:15 - 02:20:47:02
Mike
So.
02:20:47:20 - 02:20:48:13
Jared
Well, all right, then.
02:20:49:15 - 02:21:19:17
Mike
Now, the question is, do we make this half of this episode 65, the other half 66? I don't know. We'll get there when we get there. But hey, everybody, thanks for tuning in and I hope you enjoyed conspiracy theory night hear Full Moon conspiracy theory. We know it's not always that we we get a full moon on a Saturday so and on top of it we've always talked about this in the past.
02:21:19:17 - 02:21:44:10
Mike
Most of the times the full moon is actually happening during the day. This full moon is actually happening right fucking now. It rose at 5 p.m. today and it's still up there, man. It's still up there till 1:00 AM tomorrow. Yeah, there's good night. Skin walkers, Jimi Hendrix, everything.
02:21:44:10 - 02:21:45:16
Jared
And all kinds of good.
02:21:46:18 - 02:21:54:03
Mike
All kinds of great shit. But. All right, everybody, take it easy. Will see you for episode 66.
02:21:55:04 - 02:21:56:05
Jared
Or 67.
02:21:57:04 - 02:22:03:05
Mike
Or 68. Fuck it. 69.
02:22:03:05 - 02:22:07:12
Jared
That'll be it. That's our special. We have to have somebody after episode 69.
02:22:07:12 - 02:22:08:21
Mike
Yeah, we're going to work on that.
02:22:09:16 - 02:22:10:00
Jared
Yeah.
02:22:11:05 - 02:22:14:08
Mike
Maybe I'll be in Sedona in 69. Who knows.