Supporting the ADLs of Birth with Lindsay McCoy

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Lindsey Vestal my goodness. My guest today is Lindsay McCoy. And I am honored to have this conversation with her today. She is an exercise physiologist, an experienced birth doula and a childbirth educator of 12 years. She combines her knowledge of biomechanics, functional movement with her knowledge of the childbirth process to help prepare the body for birth. She has worked in clinical settings as an exercise physiologist and now exclusively with her pre and post natal population in private practice. She is the co-founder of the Body Ready Method, Pregnancy, Birth and Postpartum, a biomechanics based exercise program. She is also the co-founder of Body Ready Method, a training for birth professionals. She has trained over 1200 birth professionals and supported 10,000 plus pregnant families. Her specialty is pelvic biomechanics for pregnancy and childbirth and the core system and pelvic floor. She is a mother of four, a dula, and her passion is pregnancy and birth. She comes from a big family of labor and delivery nurses and OB-GYNs where birth talk was dinner talk at her house. I am so excited to share our conversation with you today. New and seasoned OTs are finding their calling in Pelvic health. After all, what's more adult than sex, peeing and poop? So here's the question. What does it take to become a successful, fulfilled and thriving O.T. in Pelvic health? How do you go from beginner to seasons and everything in between? Those are the questions and this podcast will give you the answers. We are inspired, OTs. We are out of the box, OTs. We are Pelvic health. OTs I'm your host, Lindsey Vestal and welcome to the OTs and Pelvic health Podcast. Lindsay McCoy. I am honored, so honored to have you on the OTs for Pelvic health podcast. Thank you so much for taking the time and sharing your wisdom with us today. 

Lindsay McCoy Yeah, thanks for having me. 

Lindsey Vestal my gosh. I have long wanted to pick your brain. I have been following you on social media for ever. Your education, the way you just provide information, simplify it, make it visual. I mean, just the skill set you have for making this information accessible is something I admire so much. And then to have had the privilege of being on faculty for now, going on three years for body ready method, it's such an inside look into the robust support and into your creative mind. So thanks for doing this. I'm going to kick it off with I want to know what is something, Lindsey, that you wish pregnant people knew in preparation for birth? Like the one thing I know you probably have a hunch. What? One thing? 

Lindsay McCoy Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest myth and the thing that I think. Everyone who's pregnant should know is it's not about flexibility. It's not about like, stretching. And I even remember myself early, like first pregnancy. It's like how many deep hip openers can I do? How can I stretch and open my pelvis and in parentheses? And flexibility does not necessarily correlate to easier birth. And so I think what I would tell them is like, let's take a more holistic look at what it means to prepare for better birth. 

Lindsey Vestal Because it's not that. What would it be then? You know, and I know it's never just a one shot answer. So like, I'm even kicking myself as I'm asking the question. But like, it's good. This. What could we do? 

Lindsay McCoy Yeah. So we a body ready method. I have like the five pillars and basically it's upper body mobility, pelvis, pelvic floor movement patterns and core. Did I say core? I'm like doing them out of order. So there's, there's five pillars. And what I really like to do is I like to have people work on making all of our parts work together. So and it's really about creating balance in that system. So I always talk about the group project, like all of our parts are working together in this group project that is helping us move through pregnancy functionally birth with greater ease, have a postpartum recovery that's smooth, smoother, you know, it's still going to be a recovery. And so in order to get there, we need to help that body to work well. And that means, you know, address the pattern. So for some people, certain parts overwork and other parts under work and for other people, it's a different you know, it's based on how they've used their bodies throughout their lives. And so like an elite athletes or like CrossFit, even elite athletes in different sports. Right? We all have different patterns based on how we use our bodies. Maybe someone sat at a desk for 20 years or they were a D-1 volleyball player back in college. Like, what does that mean for their tissues and how can we be more specific in what we're we're doing for our body so that we can. Fine balance. And the cool thing about it is like the same stuff that makes birth better. Helps with your pelvic floor and your core for life helps for body pain. It's like it doesn't have to all be different stuff. That's why I think OTs really like this, because it's really about like being able to use your body, how you want it for the rest of your life and not being injured through pregnancy and birth. 

Lindsey Vestal I love that. I love we love anxiety's, the whole body approach, looking at function, but also kind of having your pillars are almost like a rubric in a way, or a framework that enable us to thoughtfully and strategically assess the individual body in front of us. And I think that's also what is so uniquely O.T. because we we don't like cookie cutter. We definitely want to assess the body in front of us and all its beautiful complexity and individuality. But it's also overwhelming when we don't kind of have a framework or a structure to work from. And so I think what's so beautiful is that is that you provide that and giving us that ability to really step into and serve the individual client's body in front of us. 

Lindsay McCoy Yeah, it's cool. I mean, I, I loved just being able to teach people how to look at a body through a different lens and to be able to see like whether you're working with someone in pregnancy or you're working, you're at their birth, you're a nurse, a dula, you know, a birth worker of some kind. You should be able to look at how they walk, how they stand, how they breathe and makes them really like strong, just like it's very helpful in understanding, okay, what does this client need versus this other client? Because too often, like you said, it's like the cookie cutter. Everyone who is going to give birth needs these three things. Well, not necessarily. It's it's depends on their body and their mind and their whole everything. Right? 

Lindsey Vestal 100%. 100%. It depends is like the classic answer in O.T.. 

Lindsay McCoy It's to birth two. It's like the same. So mysterious. 

Lindsey Vestal It's awesome. So speaking of professionals, what is something that you wish all Pelvic health therapists knew in order to best support their pregnant and postpartum clients? 

Lindsay McCoy I mean, beyond knowing that not everyone needs the same thing and everyone needs specific, I think the other would be understanding what one thing that I think is really cool that I think everyone that works with pregnancy should know is to know the biomechanics of the pelvis and of breathing, because I find that the more I do this work, the more I go into upper body mobility and breathing like everyone wants to focus on the pelvis. But if the rib cage isn't moving, then the pelvis isn't moving. They literally mirror each other in breath. And so getting like as simple as just saying your bra is too tight, right? Like, let's get a stretchy bra. It's it's hard to say one thing, but it's like understanding how things work and how they shift in pregnancy helps us to identify needs and actually meet that client in front of us where they're at. Right. Because some people, you know, like I said, they sit in a chair all day and they're very stressed out and they grip their abs and they tuck their pelvis under. And then other people are kind of in the more I call it, like if it's fight or flight because there's a nervous system component that's like the flight that's like the the dog with their tail under their legs, like running away. And then other of us live in like, fight, right? It's like puff up my chest. It's like the anterior pelvic tilt. Those people don't need the same tools necessarily. Right? And then the big one that I've been working with so much lately, I don't know about you, but when I. I get like, why is everyone I'm working with going through the same thing right now? Maybe I need to know about this, but I'm working with a lot of lateral shifts right now where it's like one side is either higher or more forward than the other. What does that mean? How can we help that person get into greater balance? And the thing is, like the body is inherently imbalanced. The goal isn't to have people like perfectly balanced for birth, but the goal is to help them to have access to all of their ranges of motion of birth. Because if you've never, for example, if you've never found, let's say, internal hip rotation, how are you going to intuitively find that when you're pushing? Right? And so it's about gaining access and also creating balance. And it's kind of like twofold, right? Because we don't we don't need to force feed them the the end user, the lay person, like they don't need to know pelvic biomechanics, breath biomechanics. Right? They just need to find some embodiment. They just need to be enabled to explore movement in a safe space. They need to be able to breathe into their rib cage in a way that down regulates their nervous system. So. So how I teach prose is very different than how I teach families. Because really. Well, a lot layers a lot more deep. Like I always say, you need to be able to know a few layers deeper than what you're teaching, right? And so we're peeling back some layers and helping people to identify patterns so that they can explain it in a non scary way so they can just help people. Because I'm not going to say, that muscle is tight. That's going to make it hard for your baby to get into your pelvis. That's not empowering. And through the placebo effect, we know that they're going to take that in and it's going to be more likely to occur. So how can we speak and work with the pregnant family and the pregnant person in a way that empowers them versus scares them? So that's another thing I think we don't talk enough about, not just what we're teaching, but how we're teaching it. Your fiancee. 

Lindsey Vestal I could not agree with you more. I mean, so much of what you said is just so I think deeply authentic and in line with with what we do and how we can best support. And I also think, you know, pregnancy is this really special time where for many in many times the the the birthing person is so interested in their body asking questions about their body and movement patterns that perhaps they've never pause to write on or about before. And so what you're doing in the way you're teaching it not only is going to prepare them the best that they can for that birth, but for what's to follow for that postpartum period and for life. Because once you feel the efficiency of, let's say, a beautiful diaphragmatic breath, that again down regulating the nervous system, feeling safe, feeling secure, feeling at home, and then to be able to give that gift and pay it forward to the dynamics of the family, the relationship with the partner, all of this so deeply entrenched in what it feels like to live in joy. And they're coming for body prep. But actually, it's it's blossoming and carrying over to so many other important parts of their life. And, you know, thank goodness they're curious because and thank goodness. And same thing for me, like having having my children, it's given me a purpose to be the best human I can. Right. And so I think that starts in pregnancy and then it just spills over to so many other aspects of our life. It's just so cool. 

Lindsay McCoy I know. I think it's just the opportunity. People don't think about it until they're like, That baby's coming out of me somehow, in a certain amount of time, I should probably figure out something. So it's a nice just opportunity to work with people that maybe wouldn't normally get this information. And that's, you know, like you said, this is such a transformational journey. If we're not empowered through it, it can really be detrimental effects to the entire family system. Right, because it disempowered parents who are overwhelmed, you know, increased risk of anxiety, depression, all of these things, you know, and then that's going to impact the children. And then that's you know, it's like it's just such an important time for us to protect. Yeah. Because of all the implications. And, you know, you think, you know, if you just think of the history of obstetrics and the violence and racism, all that stuff, and you're thinking like they've always wanted to disempower predominantly women, right? As this is a predominantly female led space like the world maybe doesn't want us in our full power. They don't want us because when you give birth, at least for me, like when you give birth, you're in your power, you're empowered, you're like, If I can do that, I can do anything. Like, I don't think I would even be doing what I, I know I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now if I hadn't gone through like the portal that is birth to like, welcome me to this, this new improved version of me, right? So. But I want that for everyone, right? 

Lindsey Vestal Yeah. 100%. 100%. And so that leads me so beautifully into my next question, which is you are clearly such an advocate for birthing people for the family system. Lindsey, what keeps you passionate about this specialty? I have some super exciting news for you. Pioneers ensured a pelvic floor therapy is opening for enrollment January 13th through the 17th 2025. This is your chance to dive into a 100% online course with lifetime access. You'll get five group mentoring calls with me and two free months inside our off social media private community Pelvic OTP's United. Plus, we're hosting an optional in-person lab in Cleveland on February 21st and 22nd. Please come join over 1500 other OTs who have already taken the leap. I can't wait to see you inside. O.T. Pioneers Enrollment January 13th through 17th 2025. 

Lindsay McCoy Yeah, I think it's really what I just said. It's about I really believe, like. I mean, I don't know if we want to get into like the divine feminine, divine masculine, but I really believe we all have like both in us and like we come into balance when we support both. Right? And I find that, like I said, like the divine feminine side of all of us has really been like pushed down, shoved aside. Like, we don't want us to step into our power and our of that divine ness inside of us, so to speak. And I find that when we allow people to transform for the better in this process, they can show up in the world and do what they're meant to do. Right? Like I am empowered to work in this industry, but like you go through that, it doesn't mean that everyone's going to become like a Dula midwife or work in pregnancy. They use that trans for formation to do what they were put on this earth in this time to do. And so. And I really do believe we're all here for something, right? If we can find it. And so I. I want that for everyone. I want them to feel. And it doesn't mean it's like a job profession. Like being an empowered person empowers me for my children. I can show up for my children in a way that I maybe couldn't of if I was disempowered and didn't realize that I am worthy and I am powerful and we all are. And, you know, if someone's listening to this maybe and they had a traumatic birth, it doesn't mean you're not amazing. A powerful you are put into a system that was designed for you to fail, not fail, but like designed for trauma. Really. It's it's not set up for us to feel this way. And it does it's not someone's fault for not being aware of options. It's really a struggle. And we see this. The statistics. 

Lindsay McCoy Are. 

Lindsay McCoy Awful, like the United States, who has all this technology and all these resources and all these things. We don't have the best outcomes. We have some of the worst outcomes and that's an issue. And the solution is not more technology, more inductions, which, you know, what they were trying to do right now, it's like, everyone gets induced at 39 weeks. Why? Right. Like one study, like we have hundreds and hundreds of much better studies showing that's not great. And then some, you know, you can use research to kind of skew any way I find. And sometimes what they've done is like, let's induce everyone, let's do this and that. And there's a time and a place for all interventions. I'm not anti intervention, but sometimes we don't realize that physiological birth means powered by the innate human capacity. And I really do believe that most of the time when we leave it alone, it works. And so, you know, I kind of live, but I kind of live in this place in the middle where it's like there's one end of the spectrum and oftentimes that's where we go, right? We swing from one side to the other. There's one side of the spectrum that says, like, birth always works. Just leave it alone. It's always going to be great. And then we have the FA and the other end of the spectrum that's like birth is an emergency. It's awful. It's horrible. Manage, manage. Manage control. Control, control. And then I live somewhere in the middle, maybe more on the like trust side of middle because I do trust birth. But I also know that we live in a world with sudden stops and gravity with We don't. We don't move the ways we may be used to. We sit a lot. We stress a lot. We wear tight bras. We don't believe in ourselves. We don't we don't see birth. That's the other thing. It's like, Yeah, what do we see about birth? That's what we create in our reality. We see like all the emergencies, like Game of Thrones. I don't know if you saw that one. No. My gosh, I did. Fast forward. I know. Told everyone Bubble of peace. If you're pregnant, do not watch this it we you know like I really am aware of what I'm consuming. Think of all the negative stuff that we consume and then we expect that. And so it's there's a lot of pieces to why birth is the way it is now. It's very multifaceted. But I believe that I was put on this earth to do my part, be my like piece in the tapestry, I guess my little piece of yarn in that tapestry that's like bringing in more people into this awareness that we don't have to have it be like this. We can we can shift the paradigm. So I know there's a lot of really amazing people doing their part, and I'm just doing my part. So I'm just grateful that that I'm not alone. And the brand community is growing with more people who want to shift the paradigm together, because I really do believe it's when we come together that change happens, right? It's like everyone's living in their own little pockets, in their own little communities, like, let's all come together, okay? How can we shift things? Right? 

Lindsey Vestal Okay. Think it's fun. We just start the podcast right now because. 

Lindsay McCoy Now is everything to. 

Lindsey Vestal Like total mic drop. my gosh. So, so much. Yeah. Just like. my, my. I think I'm going to have a little bit of whiplash at the end of this recording because I'm just like nodding so assertively and just like, loving, loving and loving all of this. Lindsey you just, you know, you your family, your background, you know, is very much entrenched in in supporting serving people. And so you're and you're obviously very much a visionary. Right? So what I would love to know from you is like, what is your vision for the future in regards to caring for pre and post natal people? Where do you hope we go? 

Lindsay McCoy Yeah, so I would love if like in an ideal world, everyone who's pregnant gets access to information to support them physically and mentally, right? So I think that everyone who works in like prenatal fitness or prenatal movement or prenatal whatever knows what to look for, knows what to support with. And it's just like built in because I see a lot of I see it kind of like a game of telephone right now because some of this stuff is very trendy and. Social media. And so someone's pregnant and they're like, here's all the stretches to make your birth easier. Right. Like ten years ago when I was first really putting this stuff online, everyone was just like, Get your body back after birth. And now ever it is becoming known, which is amazing. But that can come with a little bit of of trickiness because it's like, what is all this? It's like people are inundated with ways to make their birth easier. It's like, well, I get it. It's like clickbait almost sometimes. And so I would love it to just be like the norm. And I really believe our goal and that way is like, this is how we work with pregnant bodies. I would love for midwives and doctors and chiropractors and OTs and Peaches and everyone to have that same like base level of knowledge about the pregnant body and the birthing body and the postpartum body. Like I, I just feel like there's, there's a disconnect because when I, you know, I started my career as an exercise physiologist and I was like, no birth. I'm not in this. You've heard my story before. It's like, no, my family's in that. Like, believe it out. And then when I came into birth, literally the first birth I attended, I was like. There's a disconnect. Like they're putting this person in a position that's closing where they're asking for the baby to exit. Like what? But it was like, let's like different modalities don't speak to each other. They live in their little bubbles. And I'm like, what if I made a training that they were all welcome in? Like, we have all of them and they learn from each other. I learn from them, they learn from me. It's like we and then we all have this. Like, I feel like there's a little bit of gatekeeping sometimes, like, this is only for this group. No, this is only for this group. That's not it. Like let's just share. I don't gay keep knowledge. Just bring it all and give it to everyone. And then we all kind of have it like evens the playing field. I don't like this high. I can never say that word. 

Lindsey Vestal Higher, higher, higher. 

Lindsay McCoy Hierarchy high. I cannot say I don't know why I will not come out of my mouth. But like when like some people are seen as better and less than and I want us to come together because that's how we shift. The paradigm is together. And then the same with birth. I want like, thank God we have caesareans, pitocin breaking the water. All of these different things have their place, but 1 in 3 people should not need a cesarean for their babies to be born. They don't protect the pelvic floor from pelvic floor injury like people somewhat somewhat think and we can support the physiology first. Meaning if there is an issue or a delay, like I teach people to be what I call birth detectives, observe what you see. You don't have to check a cervix to know where a baby is in a pelvis. You can watch movement, you can feel the sacrum. There's you can listen by sounds. There's like so many different things we can do to know with really high accuracy. Because I always when they do get checks, what do you do? You you guess in your brain and then you see if you're right, I've done that for ten years and it's like, yeah, you can you can know with pretty strong accuracy. And then what do we do? Okay, there's a delay. Pitocin is adding force, but if we don't address why there's tension, like let's say it's mid pelvis, pelvic floor, one side of the pelvic floor is tighter than the other. Well, now baby's going to have to tip their head to the side to get through. It's called acing criticism. And that's a larger surface area that's going to increase possibility of pelvic floor issues. It's going to increase prolonged pushing, stage possibility of cesarean forceps. Sidra So instead of just. Adding pitocin to get babies through the pelvis in a funky position. Let's back the baby up. Let's release that side of the pelvic floor. Or even better. Let's get them in pregnancy. Realize that they have asymmetry in their pelvic floor, release it and then they just show up and have a boring birth. So it's kind of two stages. I love boring births, right? So I say I call it proactive prep and reactive response. And I teach people both. Everyone loves the reactive response, right? Because it's like, ooh, I can do a release and it works and everyone thinks I'm amazing and that's cool. But there's no egos in birth. It's that birth or That's amazing. Not you, but glad to help, right? But even better to just like prevent needing it. Because that's what I started to realize when I was going to births. I was doing techniques and I was coming up with some techniques too, and I was like, my gosh, they're working. But that's not fun. Like, some of are not fun. You just were like, What did I do? What did I release and how can I make it so it doesn't need to be released in the first place? And so that's kind of the balance. And not everyone gets that. I'm trying to to get in there because now that biomechanics of the pelvis is very trendy, everyone is just talking like, closed knee pushing, for example. And I'm like, most people don't even have access to that range of motion. And so actually forcing it at birth can create injuries, right? So, so I take it a little different. Like let's just in in my ideal world, we prepare them, we get to help them with that body balance. Like I've talked about, we've also had them practice different birth positions and then they go to birth and they don't need me to like instruct them because they are they are in their deep limbic brain. They're in what I call the labor flow state. And they are able to intuitively make movements to create space for baby. That's the goal. But, you know, if they can't, they're overwhelmed. They're scared. Something, whatever. We should know what we could suggest. So it's kind of like a two part puzzle, but it's fun. Can I just one thing about this? They're all different, right? 

Lindsey Vestal It's so it's and that's what that's what makes our job so interesting. You know, it's it's those differences. It's like a puzzle, you know? Can I just say that I love and I'm going to mispronounce it. I love the fact that you can just say X and Clintonism, but not say hierarchy here. 

Lindsay McCoy Aki Yeah, I know. You know what? Like my phone auto corrects things to weird birth terms. Like mutation or like saying if I were to ever say mutation, I guarantee it would say change it to new. Tatian is always talking about sacral movements. 

Lindsey Vestal I love that. I love that. Good. What? What is one. What is one of your favorite things to teach in Bikram? Can you would you mind sharing one of your favorite tools with us? 

Lindsay McCoy Favorite tool? I mean, I'm going to give you the simplest one ever, but I'm obsessed with it. And it's just 3D breathing. So, like, I'm sure it's no like the infamous sternal angle of the rib cage, which is like the ideally, it's like 90 degrees during pregnancy. It expands its needs to right. To make space for the increase in pressure. But a lot of people get stuck with either a really narrow angle because they're ab gripping or a more wide one and getting people to both breathe with candles like engage their core but also expand their rib cage all the way around. It is like game changing, like people think. It's all the fancy things. I teach some really more complex fancy tricks, but if I had to pick like one tool that I think everyone across the board should do because, you know, I'm very intentional and specific, it would be 3D breathing, right? It would be like, find your rib cage and create space around it. Like I have people get a yoga strap. I'm sure you do this too, but get a yoga strap, strap it around and just try to get those ribs moving because you know, when you inhale, right, you know this. But as you inhale and the the diaphragm moves out and the infrared angle moves, now that what the pelvis does is it reacts to catch that pressure. So it actually the sacrum goes into counter notation. The iliac bones are the indominus flare out. And so that's an open inlet top of the pelvis. Now I exhale, it reverses and everything draws back up. It's a little bit opposite than some people think because, like, our body is like managing the pressure. But if somebody is not doing that, then that in for pubic angle is not moving with their breath. Right. And so people get stuck with either a narrow in for pubic angle or a wide and for pubic angle meaning baby's going to have an easier time for some of those people getting into the pelvis, a harder time getting out. And for other people who are kind of the opposite, baby's got a you know, it's going be the opposite, right? They're going to have a lot maybe a long prodromal labor. It's going to be like babies just having a really hard time getting into the pelvis. But then I often observe and I see all the time, it's like, okay, once that baby gets in, now we're off to the games. Like the pushing phase is quite quick. And so it's, it's like being able to identify and know that that's like even beyond breathing is really cool for people. And getting people to start to seeing things in bodies is super satisfying for me. Like, I love our Facebook group because people are posting with permission from their clients. Of course they're posting pictures, they're posting pictures of themselves and we're all tuning our eye and like, what do you see? What do I see? What tool Cory use, what tool could you use, You know, what tool are that is doable for that person? Achievable, right. When you come on as faculty, what I appreciate you doing is teaching them how to not overwhelm the client. You're like, you always say like three tools, right? Or something like that. And it's like. 

Lindsay McCoy That because people are. 

Lindsay McCoy You know, if you give them 20 things to do, that's not setting them up for an achievable, achievable goal or any success. It's setting them up for overwhelm and shame. And that's the last thing you need during pregnancy is another thing to do. And so, you know, I think. You know, I'm not it's not another favorite thing. But I think that like, that awareness of the body mechanics is so satisfying for people because it's like I have, like you said, a framework. I have something to work inside to know what to truly give each person individually. So a lot of people love that because they they feel like a renewed sense of passion for this work because they're like, this is so fun. I can my gosh, look at this person's body. Okay. How their birth go, okay, look at you and you start to notice your own things. And I even learned a lot because now all of our pros are coming back with all of their stories and we're being. Wow, I'm it's it's working. This is this is cool. It's not just me. 

Lindsey Vestal I love that you said breathing. I really did. Because I think there's a misunderstanding. That simple is not profound. Right. Exactly. In fact, it's the most profound. And that's really at the heart of of O.T.. You know, we we do the the daily shifts, the adls, the small habits that do make a profound impact, you know. So I actually really loved that you that you shared that tool. 

Lindsay McCoy Of course it's that. But I mean if you think about it and this is so odd, too, I'm realizing maybe I was in O.T. in the last in a previous life or something because it's just like the my way of thinking, too, because it's like it just makes sense. It's like, okay, you exercise for how long of a day? Yeah, like maybe 20, 30 minutes almost your gym over the five hours. Right. But it's like a very short amount of time. What are you doing the rest of your day? Probably. And like, you're probably undoing, so to speak. If I'm now, I go back to sit with my tucked pelvis or my hiked hip, but I'm gripping my abs was doing a few moves really that helpful. But if I can teach someone how to hinge from their hips when they're picking up their laundry basket and breathe and when they're freaking out in a way that has an immediate response. 

Lindsey Vestal Yeah, that's huge. 100%. 100%. Lindsey I am so excited with everything that you shared with us today. And you know, for anyone listening who's interested in learning more about Bikram, where can they go? And most importantly, when is the next open window for enrollment? 

Lindsay McCoy Yes. So our website is body ready method.com. The I'm also on TikTok and Instagram. And so lots of free tips there and ways of just kind of getting a feel for what we do and then we are opening enrollment for this upcoming year cohort of the body ready method pro training, which is five months long with the amazing Lindsey Vestal teaching pelvic floor as faculty. And we are opening enrollment June 10th and I think it closes June 14th. 

Lindsay McCoy So awesome. Definitely check out Lindsay's IG page. It is chocked full with just visual nuggets. So much wisdom. And what I always say to people is like, that resonates with you. Imagine a five month long program, imagine the community. I think one of my very favorite things is the diversity of perspective. The fact that you do open the doors to all professionals. I mean, I just share this with you before we went live, but I actually met a chiropractor here in Flagstaff who's also a doula. We went for a walk yesterday. She was part of your last cohort. And so, you know, just the community and the enthusiasm that you create, whether you actually have someone trained in your community or if it's all virtual, it feels like you're a community. So I just want to thank you for all the ways that you support birthing people, the way you support professionals. You're just you're just incredible. So, so honored to be on your faculty and so honored to have this conversation with you today. 

Lindsay McCoy Well, I am equally honored. I love the work you're doing. We need all the pelvic OTs in the world. Like, let's expand. Let's just, like let everyone have happy pelvic floors because we are all worthy of of health and vitality. So thank you for all you're doing. Thanks for listening. 

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