Prophecy, Identity, and the Father's Heart: Questions from Love, Prophecy, and the Kingdom of God

"The Lord told me you have the heart of a lion." Those words were spoken to me by my mother at the age of ten and they have never left me. Prophecy is the declaration of the heart of God to each individual heart. Join Joshua Hoffert at the Love, Prophecy, and the Kingdom of God event as people ask questions about the same.

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Transcript

00;00;20;07 - 00;01;01;25
Joshua Hoffert
But some of the greatest doctors, some of the most ferocious individuals, like the greatest psychologist, psychologists, human history in the last hundred years, Freud, young, they were masses, right? Especially Freud. He was a disaster in his personal life, but he was a fantastic educator. He was an expert on the understanding psyche. And so, you know. So anyway, knowledge of life transformation or becoming part of I'm, you know, what I'm going to do.

00;01;02;00 - 00;01;43;11
Joshua Hoffert
The story is true. Tricky doesn't don't mind. I'm I'm not I want to read to I think read two things to you. And just short just short things that I've written and I've been working on and kind of keeping in in step with the theme from last night. But shifting gears a little bit, so we talk a little bit about prophecy as well, and prophecy, especially as it pertains to, you know, it's easy to divorce the conversation from last night with the administration of the gifts, the because what happens is we get caught up.

00;01;43;14 - 00;02;06;10
Joshua Hoffert
Like, I'll just tell a short little story. Read these two passages and then want to just open it up for dialog. Like, if you guys have questions or comments, you can be thinking about questions or comments of things we've been talking about. And it could be things that we've talked about just the things that I talked about last night, things that we're going to talk about here for a few minutes, or just broadly speaking.

00;02;06;10 - 00;02;28;04
Joshua Hoffert
And I mean, in the last ten months, you know, we've been the teaching team. We've been really intentional here at the church in talking about the formation of identity and going through the process of healing and the love of God is integral to that, obviously. And so there may be things that have been percolating in you that you want to ask questions about that.

00;02;28;04 - 00;03;00;28
Joshua Hoffert
So that would be fair game as well, because again, we're talking about the broader cultural shift that's taking place in our own hearts and our community. But broadly speaking, across Canada as well as as we really tell you, so many that we've been talking about, this being the era of the fathers affection, there's an invitation, right? I can't tell you how many pastors and leaders that if you have that conversation with, they either recognize that it's happening or they want to and and they resonate with it.

00;03;00;28 - 00;03;21;14
Joshua Hoffert
I was just chatting with some pastors the other day because we're planning a trip to Newfoundland next week, Erin, and I'll be gone with the kids for a week and I'll be working with some churches and checking out Newfoundland, you know, and that is, I think it's the best season to go to do so. And right in the middle of November.

00;03;21;17 - 00;03;48;24
Joshua Hoffert
So. But anyway, we one of these this couple was telling my friend and I who were on the call with them as we were talking about, you know, plotting out some some storms that about a year ago, they they started doing their church has been typically 20 people in the interior of Newfoundland. You know, a small Portwood small little area in Newfoundland.

00;03;48;27 - 00;04;15;22
Joshua Hoffert
And so, you know, for a long time have been 20 people, 30 people. And so many people had grown disenchanted with the way that mainline denominational churches in Newfoundland had handled the response to COVID, that people started coming. And at the same time, people started coming to their church because they're nondenominational and were very much, if you want to wear a mask, wear a mask.

00;04;15;22 - 00;04;38;21
Joshua Hoffert
If you don't, you don't have to. And they were just very accommodating to people. But that wasn't even the catalyst. What they started doing about a year ago was they just started having a meal after the service and all of a sudden this affection arose amongst people for each other and then affection for the father happens. And so they're telling me the story and I'm just going, is the same thing.

00;04;38;21 - 00;05;06;07
Joshua Hoffert
It's the season of affection is the air of affection that we're getting back to again. And we've got I mean, he was telling we've got retired pastors coming from pews, see from, oh, I can't roll the denominations, but there was a number of denominations that would have that would have classically disagreed vehemently and and used that disagreement as a means to separate relationally.

00;05;06;09 - 00;05;28;15
Joshua Hoffert
But they're sharing a meal together and they're affectionate for one another. And so all of a sudden, the denominational lines don't make a difference anymore to these guys that these retired pastors that are starting to find value, meaning and purpose and that small minded, nondenominational church and now the church is 80 people. And it's like like people have just been coming and coming because of affection.

00;05;28;17 - 00;05;50;15
Joshua Hoffert
And it was telling me the story. I'm going it's just the same sound that you're hearing across Canada that people are, and maybe it's because of it. Maybe it's because we've haven't had relationships right? We had it. Remember remember there was that year and a half long period where you could have five people in your house, Right. If that that were desperately craving affection.

00;05;50;15 - 00;06;21;16
Joshua Hoffert
Maybe it's that maybe it's the father visiting us. Whatever's whatever has been the catalyst. I just know that people really want to be together and they don't care nearly as much about agreement as they do about affection. So anyway, I want to read these these two short passages just to set the stage for our conversation, open it up for questions, dialog, and recognize that what we're talking about is a broader cultural shift in the church in North America.

00;06;21;18 - 00;06;52;05
Joshua Hoffert
So we have just just to contextualize this, we have in the next. So Theresa, you'll run around with Mike when we get to the question part or the dialog part. We have coming out and at the end of this month, the data is not firmly established yet, but it will be at the end of the month. A a collection, you know, you guys know we have the Silent Fire series where it's the desert Father devotionals, right?

00;06;52;06 - 00;07;17;06
Joshua Hoffert
There's five of them. Many of you guys have those collections. So we are getting set. Actually, we got the order in at the printers right now for the the next phase of that is the collection of five desert mothers and what the desert mothers taught and which is which is a more difficult endeavor because there's not as many writings from women as there are from men in the early church.

00;07;17;09 - 00;07;37;13
Joshua Hoffert
But the very fact that there are writings from women in the early church shows you just how much value was placed upon the mind of these women and women in general. Because when you look at the Greek philosophers or the Roman philosophers, there's no women, right? There's none. It's all from the early from the early from ancient history.

00;07;37;16 - 00;08;04;24
Joshua Hoffert
You are not going to find writings from women outside of the church, at least in the Western mindset. I'm not I can speak for the or for the Eastern history, but I just don't know it as well. But in terms of writings that are that exist today that you can refer to, the only ones you're going to find from that early period of history in the Roman Empire are from Christian women, because the Christians actually preserved those writings.

00;08;04;27 - 00;08;40;04
Joshua Hoffert
So that tells you something, even though there's not many of them, that tells you something about the huge cultural shift that was taking place in the known world because of Christianity and because of the role that women played within the church. So anyway, this I'm going to read one of the entries from the upcoming devotionals, and I'm going to read a short passage I wrote about prophecy as we're getting ready to set to release another series of blog posts on the Gift of Prophecy, and I'm working towards finishing up a book on prophecy and then also set the stage for our conversation this morning.

00;08;40;07 - 00;09;09;28
Joshua Hoffert
So here we go. On the Sarah mother, Sarah fourth century desert Mother. She said this If I were to pray to God that all men might approve of me, I would find myself at each one store repenting. I would pray, rather that my heart might remain pure towards all having neither evil thoughts nor judgment regarding anyone. And here's what I wrote.

00;09;10;01 - 00;09;31;17
Joshua Hoffert
I would wild away the evening hours studying and reading about an early church movement and where it had gone astray. I laid down to sleep around midnight, proud and content over late night. Over my late night studying, I half jokingly thought that God must be proud of my efforts. The voice of God resounded clearly through my thoughts. I am proud of you for who you are, not what you have done.

00;09;31;20 - 00;09;51;23
Joshua Hoffert
The acceptance of God is merely a hard turn away. Christ has welcomed us into His loving arms for all of eternity. How could we not reciprocate? For those who turn to Christ, belonging comes naturally. It is not that we belong to each other or to the ideology of the world that give us empty meaning or the marketing ploys of multimillion dollar companies trying to buy your allegiance.

00;09;51;23 - 00;10;11;29
Joshua Hoffert
We find belonging in Christ. There will be no shortage of people to turn you away for the wrong reasons or the wrong word. But Christ, our ever present hope does not turn us away. It does not require perfection to begin the journey, nor to sustain the journey. He invites us and we find him. And in finding him, we eventually find ourselves.

00;10;12;01 - 00;10;39;03
Joshua Hoffert
The great longing of humanity is to find our place of home and rest in Christ. We find that we have never been abandoned, but welcomed. And in being welcomed, we are cherished. Almost. Sarah, recognize this principle. If she tried to find acceptance in the eyes of everyone, she would spend all her time placating people. If she sought acceptance, if she sought the acceptance of God, she would find purity of heart.

00;10;39;06 - 00;10;51;20
Joshua Hoffert
Which just takes us even deeper into the conversation we are having. Yesterday on. I'm going to read this will give time for a response.

00;10;51;22 - 00;11;14;06
Joshua Hoffert
There's a quote from my mom that it starts out with. I actually read this to my mom a few a week or so ago and she was crying. So I think it's good. The Lord told me, you have the heart of a lion. So my mother told me I must have been ten or 11 when my mother spoke those words to me.

00;11;14;09 - 00;11;35;15
Joshua Hoffert
I've never forgotten that statement when I told it. When I read this to her, she goes, You remember that? I've never forgotten that statement. It has been revisited a few times when others have said the same unwittingly to me. Here's the thing I don't often feel like I have the heart of a lion. I usually feel like cowering or shrinking back.

00;11;35;18 - 00;11;53;04
Joshua Hoffert
A few years ago, a minister told me he saw me as a man of faith. I was stunned and realized I didn't see myself in that way. However, my mom told me I have the heart of a lion. Not only that, but the Lord told my mom I have the heart of a lion. I can't argue with the Lord, and especially not my mom.

00;11;53;07 - 00;12;09;02
Joshua Hoffert
It's a difficult thing for a son to argue with his mother and come out on the winning side. When I feel like shrinking back from the challenge of life, I remind myself of this. The Lord told my mom, I have the heart of a lion, so it must be so. This kind of language is very personal to me.

00;12;09;04 - 00;12;31;01
Joshua Hoffert
Rather than speaking something grandiose, it speaks directly to my heart and to who I am. It subtly defines the reason for my existence. This statement is struck, stuck with me for 30 years, and I anticipate it to be around for a few more so and so. Here's the thing about them.

00;12;31;03 - 00;12;57;14
Joshua Hoffert
That statement was probably one of the most profound prophetic words I've ever been given. And it was just like I said it. It wasn't grandiose. It's not a promise of all these great things my life is going to be full of, but it's just. You've heard of a lion, and I've never forgotten it. But because every now all of you guys are going to know it.

00;12;57;14 - 00;13;16;07
Joshua Hoffert
But every now and then, I've had someone pray over me and they'll say, You have the heart of a lion. And just stunned me because that's a secret of my heart that there's no way they could possibly know that I've cherished for my life. And so I'll never forget it. I'll never let go of it. And it's become a grounding point and anchoring point for me.

00;13;16;07 - 00;13;39;24
Joshua Hoffert
And to me. If prophecy skips over that, and that's what we have to think about prophecy and not taking it from the context of what my mom said to me, I don't want that form of prophecy because that's every bit the declaration of the heart of God for me. And it's again, it's become an ID piece of my life.

00;13;39;27 - 00;14;00;11
Joshua Hoffert
So, you know, we get we get, we get because because like almost Sarah said, because we're so desperate for the acceptance and approval of others, we turn to the gift and we use the gift. And so what we're trying to do is when you're using the gift to prove your acceptance, you're prophetic utterances have to be more and more grandiose.

00;14;00;14 - 00;14;23;24
Joshua Hoffert
They have to be because you're constantly looking for someone to accept what you're saying. So they have to be more deep and more profound. And in doing that, you've got to cook up something. But if we can get back to the fact that, you know, simply sharing the perspective of the heart of God is the groundwork for prophetic ministry and the and the flourishing of prophetic ministry.

00;14;23;26 - 00;14;46;21
Joshua Hoffert
And it's not trying to tell everybody what, you know, like, you know, characterizing it as who the next president is going to be, who the next prime minister is going to be, who that what the next elections will be like, what the weather when covid's going to end, and who's going to make a vaccine and all the kind of stuff that we've seen, the kind of the the the purpose or the flow of what prophetic ministries supposed to look like.

00;14;46;24 - 00;15;19;14
Joshua Hoffert
Like we just get so out of touch with what the father actually wants to reveal, and he wants to reveal his heart to you in a very profound way. And it and it's and it doesn't take complexity. Complexity does not equal profundity, like to be profound. It's usually requires something incredibly simple, like to take the statement he's three and one like this, a very simple statement, but it is super profound that the Godhead is not complex.

00;15;19;14 - 00;15;45;08
Joshua Hoffert
It's a mystery. Being complex doesn't make it mysterious and complex just makes it confusing. And so we just won't get back to man. If if, if I could go around and share with people a simple sentence that would become the groundwork for their life for the rest of their life. Like. Like that you have the heart of a lion like, man, that would be an effective ministry right?

00;15;45;10 - 00;16;12;17
Joshua Hoffert
I'm just that's what I want to do. I want to help people have an anchoring point. And I and I'm convinced that the purpose of prophecy is to do that. And and that doesn't mean that there won't be future promises and things revealed. I'm not saying that. I'm saying. What we've done is we've exchanged the limited function for the greater function, and we've mistaken the limited function of revealing the future to be the function.

00;16;12;19 - 00;16;36;23
Joshua Hoffert
But the greater function is the declaration of the heart of God. And and so, you know, we're going to talk more about that this morning, but I just wanted to kind of set the stage for our conversation with that and and then just open up what kind of questions you guys have or comments or responses to some of the things that we've been talking about.

00;16;36;26 - 00;17;06;11
Joshua Hoffert
So and then and then. So just raise your hand and Tracy will bring the microphone so that everybody can hear, okay, Claire. So everything that we talked about and everything that's been talked about in church for years is the heart of the father. And turning our gaze upon him. So why don't we do that as a church? Why haven't we learned that simple fact?

00;17;06;13 - 00;17;27;24
Joshua Hoffert
And why don't we do that first and everything? And why do we continue to make it about us? Because if we were to put our gaze upon your truth and not have any input in that, but then everything else would come. So why don't. That's that. That's the biggest question you could possibly ask, I think. Well, that's why we're here.

00;17;27;26 - 00;17;51;10
Joshua Hoffert
Why don't we do it and so the question the question is everything we've been talking about for years and I think Claire's an agreement is turning our heart and our gaze to the father, and everything begins from there. So why don't we do it? Why do we find it so difficult to do, I think is the question, right?

00;17;51;12 - 00;18;27;18
Joshua Hoffert
Why do we find it so difficult to actually turn our hearts to? Yeah, we know it here and we talk. Yeah, exactly. And then we go back to the topic. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. We just. Well, I'll say just a couple of things because again, this is it's a for one, the first thing I'll say is just go back and revisit all the, all the sermons from the beginning of the year to now that let's just keep revisiting those things and revisiting those things.

00;18;27;20 - 00;18;50;14
Joshua Hoffert
Yeah. Because sometimes the more you hear it, the deeper it goes. And then some, you know, like someone was saying to me last night that they've heard the same phrase a number of times, but it just struck them last night, right? Sometimes there's a moment where you've heard it over and over again and all of a sudden, oh, my goodness, it becomes true.

00;18;50;14 - 00;19;10;05
Joshua Hoffert
Like like the voice of God has spoken of as many waters. Right. So it has layers upon layers upon layers upon layers. And then sometimes you read the scriptures and you go, Oh, it's like, when did they put that verse in there? I've read that so many times. That verse was never in there before, right? Maybe that experience.

00;19;10;07 - 00;19;33;13
Joshua Hoffert
So we need to hear things over and over and over again and and they can go deeper and deeper and deeper sometimes. And because, you know, partly we got because of hardness, of heart, because of our own ignorance, partly it's the theological systems we've been raised in. Partly it's going to be due to the family of origin, you know, what kind of did you have hypercritical parents, you know, was talking I was talking about listening to Brendan Manning.

00;19;33;18 - 00;19;54;21
Joshua Hoffert
Brady Manning is a series of talks on the love of the father and they're just fantastic. But he tells a story about how his mother never was a fact. He said he never had a moment or an ounce of affection from his mother his entire life. And as a young boy, he was desperate for it. And so when anybody would show affection to him, he would lap it up and his mom would criticize him and she'd say, stop it.

00;19;54;21 - 00;20;18;14
Joshua Hoffert
That's embarrassing. And because he because he didn't know how to respond, Right. He just was like he would get incredibly affectionate back because he was desperate and starved for it. So, you know, that set its mark on him until the father comes to him and reveals his nature to him. And it's something we wrestle with, you know, we wrestle with getting that in us for the rest of our lives.

00;20;18;16 - 00;20;45;06
Joshua Hoffert
And and so, you know, there's there's myriad of factors as to why why we wrestle with it and why we wrestle with particular aspects of it. So one of them you know, one of them in the broader sense of Western culture, is that we're taught that the more knowledge we have, the more equipped we are for life. And, you know, send an 18 year old out after going to high school and watch them pay their bills.

00;20;45;08 - 00;21;10;18
Joshua Hoffert
So there's very few of them that are going to do that effectively. Or the first time they gave me a credit card, I was like, I mean, I could just spend this and then either pay it for a month, like it's you guys are stupid, right? I say, Wait a second, you mean I have to pay it after it anyway?

00;21;10;21 - 00;21;34;00
Joshua Hoffert
You know, like as an 18 year old, you just don't have any concept of it. Or at least I didn't. And so I remember going to Best Buy and they say, Hey, you can apply for this credit card not to make payments for 24 months of like, I'm going to max this thing out. Then right 24 months later, like, Oh, wait a second, the money's still sitting there.

00;21;34;00 - 00;21;53;10
Joshua Hoffert
You can't come after me now. You let me have this for two years. You know, it just doesn't compute. Some of us are more equipped than others, but not because now. Because we were given information. Maybe because we watched in our parents and because our parents helped us understand it. Not because we just read a textbook on how to pay bills.

00;21;53;13 - 00;22;20;02
Joshua Hoffert
So it life. We're prepared for life based on the experience of life. We're not prepared for life by the information that we're given. Sure, information's good. I'm not saying we shouldn't have information. I'm just saying you can't. Like, the whole system of Western culture is based on like, the more educated you are. Like some of the greatest doctors or some of the most broken, screwed up individuals, like the greatest psychologists in human history.

00;22;20;02 - 00;22;47;04
Joshua Hoffert
In the last hundred years. Freud in young, they were messes, right? Especially Freud. He was a disaster in his personal life, but he was a fantastically educated person. He had been he had been completely abused as a kid. And it it ruined how he saw himself. But he was an expert on understanding the human psyche. And so, you know, so anyway, knowledge does not prepare you for transformation.

00;22;47;04 - 00;23;08;04
Joshua Hoffert
Knowledge doesn't prepare you for encountering the father's art. Just and we talked about this a number of Sundays ago. You can revisit the message when I talk about Peter Peter at all that he had excellent theological training because he was a Jew. He'd studied the Torah for the first 13 years of his life and to the point where he could repeat verbatim multiple phrases in the law.

00;23;08;04 - 00;23;24;00
Joshua Hoffert
I mean, he wasn't he doesn't go on to be a rabbi or anything in the sense of the Jewish system, but that was how he was educated. So he knows the scriptures. He really knows the scriptures, and but it doesn't prepare him for the moment that the divinity of Christ is before him. Like, what are you going to say to that?

00;23;24;02 - 00;23;44;07
Joshua Hoffert
So it's the experience. It's the experience of Peter Howard, of Christ on the mountaintop and on the shoreline that led him to write for Peter. Like, that's what gave him insight to that when he says it in second. Peter one four when he says we're partakers of the divine nature, that's not a theological statement that he's making. I mean, it is, but it's not.

00;23;44;14 - 00;24;14;17
Joshua Hoffert
It's an experiential statement he's making because of what's happened to him, because he's experienced it. These entered into it and so now he can talk about it. And so we have this we have this fundamental like you, we think, I don't I'm trying I'm wrestling with the words to say this, But if you grew up a thousand years ago or 2000 years ago, you knowledge is knowledge was not nearly as available as it is today.

00;24;14;19 - 00;24;34;04
Joshua Hoffert
So like your education would not be based on the information conveyed to you in a book. It would be based on your life experience. You would learn like the common person. You would learn how to survive because you watched your parents and you learned what they did, or you went to a tradesperson that taught you and you saw what they did.

00;24;34;06 - 00;25;04;23
Joshua Hoffert
Today, we think giving information is what it is because information is modifiable today. So like when when you know, it's interesting when Paul says in first Corinthians 12, when he what he calls a word of knowledge. Right. And we've classically in charismatic or Pentecostal circles said a word of knowledge is a spiritual function. When I say I look at Dorothy and I can tell you something about her life or her address or her her phone number or her license plate number or whatever, right?

00;25;04;24 - 00;25;26;04
Joshua Hoffert
Like, like that's that's typically called a word of knowledge or something like that. That's not really the context. That's that's I mean, that's great. Like when we have that kind of revelatory insight and the father speaks that way, that's we've changed the meaning of the word of knowledge, because our understanding and our appreciation of knowledge has changed. So think about it.

00;25;26;06 - 00;25;49;29
Joshua Hoffert
For someone to have knowledge in the first century was not an easily obtainable thing. Just standard knowledge was not an easily obtainable thing. Knowledge was rare in the first century, incredibly rare, and and so much so that the fact that the people that were the best educated like today, there's tons of people that are really well educated but aren't successful.

00;25;50;01 - 00;26;09;13
Joshua Hoffert
Then if you were well educated, it was a shoo in that you were successful. So you didn't you didn't need anything else besides an education at that point because knowledge was so rare and so sought after. So you'd have like, like a philosopher, someone who was trained as a as a they call them a rhetoric Titian, who had a system of thought.

00;26;09;19 - 00;26;44;12
Joshua Hoffert
They traveled to a city and they'd set up shop and they'd make a killing on people coming to listen to them and pay them like it was. It was it was like I mean, it was the thing to do because people were desperate to hear something because they had no knowledge. So when Paul says that one of the works of the Spirit is to bring a word of knowledge is not to reveal to you the functions, not to reveal to me something that I don't know about Tracy is to reveal knowledge that I can't obtain easily is to show me something about the world, the universe, life and everything that I can't see just by

00;26;44;12 - 00;27;06;13
Joshua Hoffert
observation. So this is something much more profound. And so that because it because fundamentally the way they approached the experience was totally different than the way that we approach it today. Because knowledge is all commodities. So knowledge was a hot commodity today. It's just a it's something available to anybody, you know, at your fingertips. You've got a world of information.

00;27;06;15 - 00;27;50;18
Joshua Hoffert
So anyway, that's part part of the problem is we've been culture ized and we don't even realize it because the problem with a worldview is that you have a worldview and you can't really see it. It's difficult to take a step back and critique your worldview because you don't know how your worldview has formed you until you start really thinking about this and really diving deep into it and recognizing like when you're reading scripture or you're reading and there's so many times I've read, you know, some old philosopher or some old theologian or whatever, and gone, Wow, they saw that verse, they saw that passage, they saw that meaning so different than I did.

00;27;50;20 - 00;28;07;22
Joshua Hoffert
And I just took it by rote because that's what I thought it meant based on how I'd been cultured, how I been taught, how I've been trained. I thought that's what it meant. And then all of a sudden I saw someone else had a different thought because they had a different culture, because it had different background, because it reformed different that different worldview.

00;28;07;24 - 00;28;29;28
Joshua Hoffert
So all of those things really play into the failure of us to appreciate just how deep the father's love is for us. Because I can if I, if I can just repeat by rote a number of phrases in here, I can pretend to be a Christian the same way I can pretend to. You know, you can be successful.

00;28;29;28 - 00;28;58;28
Joshua Hoffert
You can pretend to be successful at work. Like I suspect it's all stuck. We'll talk doctors. Okay. This low hanging fruit, we'll talk doctors. They could tell they could make up a whole bunch of gobbledygook. And people just buy it because. Because they're an authority. All right? So they can just. They can repeat things verbatim, and you'll buy it because they're an authority, not because they like.

00;28;59;01 - 00;29;20;16
Joshua Hoffert
Not because they've experienced it, Not because they've actually done the operation, not because they've done, you know, or someone who works on your car, like they can repeat to you what the manual says. But if they were actually like, we had our car in the shop just the other day and the the mechanic, we had to bring it from one mechanic to the other one because the first mechanic had no idea what was going on with it.

00;29;20;23 - 00;29;36;04
Joshua Hoffert
And so they recommended another one that would not because they have more experience. And so he when I asked him about, I asked the first mechanic about the problem with our automatic shifter. It's not shifting Well, and the first mechanic was like, oh, might be this. And might be that, might be that. I'll have to take a look at it.

00;29;36;04 - 00;29;50;19
Joshua Hoffert
The second mechanic at the other shop, I asked him about it and he says, Oh yeah, we see this all the time. Is this part right here? Your friends up the thing? And he says that when Neeson made these things for the Pathfinders, they made them too small. And so they oftentimes had to be replaced. They gave they they changed the part now.

00;29;50;22 - 00;30;12;18
Joshua Hoffert
And I was like, Oh, because you've experienced it, all of a sudden, you know? Right. This does it. His layer of knowledge was so much more was so much deeper and more profound because of the experience. And so we we because we can we can pretend like we know because we can verbatim quote the verses and the doctrines and the theologies and all that kind of stuff.

00;30;12;18 - 00;30;31;09
Joshua Hoffert
We can fake ourself through being a Christian. And people around us might not even realize that we're doing it, but we know we're doing it. So because it's easy to ignore it today, it's easy because it's so the the infirm. Like you could probably Google how to fake being a Christian and find 100 blog posts on it. All right.

00;30;31;16 - 00;30;53;21
Joshua Hoffert
Like you can you can get really good instruction on anything you want. So those it there was a I remember seeing a meme a while back. It was like what it was it was someone like hard at work in the innards of a computer saying what my parents think I look like when I'm fixing their computer. And then the other side of the meme was the person sitting on Google going, How to fix this, right?

00;30;53;23 - 00;31;17;27
Joshua Hoffert
So this is what it's actually like. So that perception will put a perception out that that's not true. A false persona. So we have to come to grips with those things and the invitation is freely given. And that's is obvious by everything in this book, but it's obvious by our lives being marked, but not because we did anything great, but because you chose us.

00;31;17;29 - 00;31;48;03
Joshua Hoffert
And what that means there is a response. So lots of thoughts to the big question, right? So do we. Do we want it? Yeah. You can go. It surely is surely good, Margery. But do we want it more than we are comfortable, you know, Do we want it more than we're comfortable? And oftentimes we don't because we're comfortable.

00;31;48;06 - 00;32;20;12
Joshua Hoffert
Years ago, Jack and I started our journey. We encountered two teachings with a Jack Frost. Oh, yeah, Jack Reader, which really impacted the absolutely Father Hand of God. Because I had a good father. It was easy for me to understand that. But in all the experience of ministry, I have found that a lot of individuals do have never had the experience of having a relationship with their father.

00;32;20;14 - 00;32;56;10
Joshua Hoffert
Yeah. Therefore the transference does not happen. Yeah. So the very heart of what she asked is until we begin see men as women who are fathers. Yeah. And real life fathers. All the knowledge that I have had in my life is not going to help me know who the father is. Yeah, it was experience with people, and I think that's as the church needs to have development of who the fathers are.

00;32;56;12 - 00;33;19;01
Joshua Hoffert
Yeah. And look at take out the ones who are good fathers and help the ones who aren't. Yeah, that's right. This wasn't her. That's. That's my feeling. Yeah, that's my belief. In answer to your question. Yeah. As a church, what are we doing to promote the. Yeah. I'm not talking about just. Yeah, yeah, I understand what you mean.

00;33;19;05 - 00;33;44;00
Joshua Hoffert
Yeah. Because I'm not. I'm in a lot of churches where I did not see fathers. Yeah. And therefore I, I couldn't relate to what they were talking. Yeah. Dad actually model a good experience for me was positive. Yeah, that's my as my goal with our kids is that I would just I would model them what a good dad is.

00;33;44;03 - 00;34;07;10
Joshua Hoffert
And, you know, we're never perfect at it. But that's because I because I understand the implications for their for their life and the longevity of their lives and their passion for the father's heart. You know, I have a friend who is meeting. He had had this orthodox priest friend who used to get together with all the time. After ten years, they'd have curry once a week.

00;34;07;10 - 00;34;39;00
Joshua Hoffert
And his that Orthodox priest friend and Father Mike, this is on NBC, invited a monk to an Orthodox monk to come have curry with them. Yeah, the Orthodox. The Orthodox monk was his spiritual father. And so in the course of the conversation, fascinating conversation is told me a lot about it in the course of the conversation. Mary, my friend Murray, he was saying to Father Mike into the Orthodox monk.

00;34;39;03 - 00;34;57;24
Joshua Hoffert
He was saying like, he's thinking, Oh, I'm going to challenge these guys a little bit, right? He's charismatic, prophetic type. I'm going to challenge these guys a little bit. And he goes, You guys take your best people and you hide them in monasteries. Why do you do that? Like, why do you hide your best people in monasteries, right?

00;34;57;27 - 00;35;20;18
Joshua Hoffert
And and the monk says, and, you know, both the two of them, as they're responding, they say, Oh, we don't hide them in monasteries like they're available. I Father Mike talked about how. No, I met I met how I went to the monastery. I sat and I met and I talk with this guy and he eventually became we became friends and he became my spiritual father.

00;35;20;18 - 00;35;47;07
Joshua Hoffert
And now we have a great relationship. And he weighs in on my life. And and the Orthodox monk and Father Mike turned to my friend Mary, and they say, What kind of plan in your churches do you have for finding spiritual parents? And Mary goes, That's the touché. Mary goes, Oh, go. Because they had a thought. They had thought this out.

00;35;47;07 - 00;36;10;09
Joshua Hoffert
Right. And it may not be perfect, right? We're not saying it's perfect, but if you say if you said to any of them, how how can I go find a spiritual father or spiritual mother? They'll say, this is how you do it, right? If in our evangelical circles, if you say, how do I find a spiritual father and a spiritual mother, most people are going to stand there looking dumbfounded because they don't know, because we haven't thought about it, because it is a problem.

00;36;10;12 - 00;36;40;04
Joshua Hoffert
You're absolutely right. And I love that story. There's there's a number of other things that Mary was really challenged on in that conversation. But anyway, you know, one of the things that one of the reasons why it's so important, I think it's so forgotten because fatherhood is that the you know, it's sad it's been said that's the true pandemic is a pandemic of fatherhood in in Western civilization today.

00;36;40;06 - 00;37;11;22
Joshua Hoffert
And I think that's totally true. And the amount of single parent households and divorced families and all that stuff is just you know, people don't understand how much like I come from a divorced household. My parents divorced when I was 18. I did have I do have a good dad. I did have a good dad. But it was it caused a lot of problems because of that, because people don't understand that when they make those kind of decisions, you basically create an existential crisis in your kids because they question the validity of their life them because the whole reason for their existence is no longer there.

00;37;11;24 - 00;37;36;17
Joshua Hoffert
And so they always have an existential crisis because of it. And and it and it really takes that supernatural coming of the father to alleviate that. So when when the way I'll say this to in response to that because I think there's there is a fundamental physiological issue as well because of the makeup and the formation of your brain.

00;37;36;20 - 00;38;03;29
Joshua Hoffert
And this is why you can't find healing outside of encountering the father's heart and having spiritual moms and dads. Because the way that your brain works, you know, your brain is a complex system of networks, right? You guys are I would be probably relatively familiar with that, that your brain is full of neurons. And those neurons, each neuron essentially looks like a tree with a trunk and branches that go out.

00;38;03;29 - 00;38;49;17
Joshua Hoffert
Those branches connect to other trunks, and then those branches, those trunks go to other branches and connect to other trunks. And so it looks like it would look like a a giant forest if you were kind of to diagram it out. And so every there's parts of your brain that your that are shaped over time. So you have it like if you were to think of fathers or your father or fathering like and you had a neuro imaging happening in your brain and you could see it, you would see particular parts of your brain firing because you have a network that's been formed that gives you some kind of idea of what a father is,

00;38;49;19 - 00;39;11;12
Joshua Hoffert
and that's formed over time. And as your as your brain grows and increases like it actually your brain from the ages of 0 to 3 grows exponentially. Like you have more you have more neurons in your brain at the age of three than you'll ever have in the rest of your life. That's just how how the massive amount of growth that happens in the first three years.

00;39;11;15 - 00;39;33;02
Joshua Hoffert
The rest of the rest of your life is you have periodic unpredictable periods of massive green growth where you'll you'll spontaneously generate new neurons. You don't no one can predict why, but you'll never have as many as you had when you were three. So it's all downhill from the age of three. But but because now you have this blank slate, basically.

00;39;33;02 - 00;39;55;16
Joshua Hoffert
Right. And and so it's being formed and cultivated and the networks are forming. And every time you you find a glance from a father or mother, you know, thinking of Brennan Manning every time, he didn't find that, that formed something in his brain. And a network eventually forms. When he thinks about mothers, he thinks cold and uncaring. Right.

00;39;55;17 - 00;40;17;29
Joshua Hoffert
Which would be the opposite of the intended purpose, would be warm and accepting. And so he's got a network in his brain that any time he sees mothering, any time he sees that this network is triggered. And so we call it being triggered. Right. And it literally is this network is triggered because the neurons fire in association with a memory of how they been formed.

00;40;18;02 - 00;40;38;25
Joshua Hoffert
And so if I had a bad dad, when I see and think about a father, immediately what happens is the networks in my brain that are formed around how my father treated, me, trigger me and I will turn myself off all immediately removed. I don't even realize why I'm doing it. Like because it's a it's a subconscious thing.

00;40;38;28 - 00;40;58;18
Joshua Hoffert
It actually happens before you start thinking consciously. There's a portions of your brain that fire before you think, Oh, which is crazy to think about. You actually think before you think without realizing. You think because your brain's been formed a certain way and you can't control it. That's the crazy like you can't control it with conscious thought. It just happens.

00;40;58;20 - 00;41;15;01
Joshua Hoffert
And so when when that happens, you know, you like like it may be that I'm I'm a hurting young man who needs a spiritual dad. And I come to Jack and it's very difficult for me to come to Jack because when I think about a spiritual dad or when I think about a dad, all I see is abuse.

00;41;15;03 - 00;41;39;05
Joshua Hoffert
And so so what happens is through the course of the experience of someone like Jack, they end up loving the orphan out of me. That's what happens, right? But it takes time to do that. I have a friend who just a dear spiritual father to many, to many men, and I had one guy come to him and said, Thank you so much for loving the awfulness of me and because that's what love does over time, right?

00;41;39;05 - 00;41;59;26
Joshua Hoffert
So, so now as I experience Jack and Jack is quick to not reject me when I inflict pain upon him because I don't know how to treat him right. And he accepts me anyway. And I go, I wasn't what I expected because I know when fathers when I do, when fathers come to me, it hurts. And so I respond before they can hurt me.

00;41;59;28 - 00;42;22;18
Joshua Hoffert
But he didn't respond like my memory and my neural network tells me, fathers, we're supposed to respond. So now I've got another neuron firing going. Something's different is happening this time. So slowly over time, as I encounter Jack my mind, the network of my brain starts to adapt itself. And when I think of fathers, I'm no longer thinking just of the abusive father I had.

00;42;22;21 - 00;42;44;27
Joshua Hoffert
I'm starting to think of the spiritual father that loves me in spite of myself. And then couple that with encountering the father's heart and the father coming to me and revealing himself to me, and he starts to give me an entirely new way of seeing fathers. It's literally shaping my brain and healing a broken neurological pattern that needs to be healed.

00;42;44;27 - 00;43;08;10
Joshua Hoffert
For me to see the father as he is, and then for me to appreciate spiritual fathers as they would be. And and so but this takes time and it takes significant investment and it takes significant it takes significant investment from men like Jack. And and, you know, I'm not just I'm just picking on Jack a little bit, but there's there's men in our midst that easily could step into that role.

00;43;08;12 - 00;43;33;05
Joshua Hoffert
Right. And there's men in our midst that have stuff. And there's three men in the room here today that for sure have stepped into that role of, you know, kind of elder and spiritual father. And it's a single you're out city, but you're one of the younger guys. So but you know, there's there's the three men right here that there's many people in that church that would look at that of have been impacted by them and the tenderness of their of their hearts and the tenderness of how they come.

00;43;33;12 - 00;43;56;06
Joshua Hoffert
And we need more of that. We definitely need more of that because you can't you can't heal people without seeing that it has to happen. And so how do we it's, it's I, I like it in the orthodox system there they have an actual thought process like when you know, you guys know I went and visited the Orthodox monastery down in Nova Scotia.

00;43;56;09 - 00;44;23;25
Joshua Hoffert
Actually on my way back from Yarmouth, I stood I stopped for lunch and hung out with the monks again just a couple weeks ago. But so the abbot of that monastery is and his name is Father Luc. He's a, he's an old he's in his eighties at this point. He's, he's been a monk since he was 27. And, and, but, but like they were telling me about the Orthodox priest out in Charlottetown and they were saying, Oh, you know, have you met?

00;44;23;27 - 00;44;43;00
Joshua Hoffert
I can't read his name. I mean, I actually haven't met him. I can't. Have you met him? He's a spiritual son of Father Luc, because the Orthodox priest went, stayed there, got to know Father Luc, and Father Lucien, and he's just this tent. I mean, he kind of reminds you of. He's just this tender guy who just hugs you, regardless of whether you want to be hugged or not.

00;44;43;02 - 00;45;02;09
Joshua Hoffert
I like so had no problem with it. But he's just this tender, soft, sweet guy. And, um, and so there's a system of thought like, well, this is how we're going to find spiritual parents and, and we just haven't thought it through. And again, I'm not saying we need to recreate it, although I would like to go see in a monastery, but I'm not saying we need to recreate it.

00;45;02;09 - 00;45;52;03
Joshua Hoffert
I'm just saying we need to actually think about it. And how do we do that, Jack? Like, get the. Yeah, get the mic. Yeah. I need to make sure my takes the most precious preaching voice. Anyway, that's pretty Got me. I'm timeframe for me is really, really important. But when you talk of like spiritual father and many spiritual fathers and I realize in the timing but first and foremost in the scripture that comes to me is of course everybody's leaving Jesus because he's talking about, you know, even flesh and blood and that he loves science, Jesus loves the disciples, and he says, Oh, you guys go on do.

00;45;52;05 - 00;46;21;12
Joshua Hoffert
And Peter says, Where do we go? On the you have the words of eternal life and not just that's what keeps me grounded is on the the Yeah, well, Mozambique for me was an unbelievable experience and we planted but in 1996 and in my father who was an okay father he got me hands on mechanical stuff but zero was sure.

00;46;21;15 - 00;46;51;15
Joshua Hoffert
And so in 1996, really, he goes from school and I had to stand in for the first time ever spiritual father pray a father's blessing. Yeah. Was on a Wednesday night. I could just. I looked at my daughter. I can tell you the exact right, but that was life changing for me. Yeah, probably one minute encounter, maybe minute.

00;46;51;17 - 00;47;21;09
Joshua Hoffert
Yeah. Father Praying, spiritual. A father's blessing on me. Yeah. Shortly after that, I wasn't able to go to my own father and see right. I need you to bring Father's blessing. I never got a blessing. We actually had. Okay. But I know I don't remember how much you. Everything. I gave you this. I gave you up. But he didn't give me the right.

00;47;21;11 - 00;47;51;18
Joshua Hoffert
So when all is said and done, then I was able to say to my own God, I need a hug. And he turned covered of Stephen Shoes. Red, red, red. And he was about to explode. Oh, you must never again leave my father's place. Is it presence without? Yeah, it was. It was so impactful. Yeah. So, yeah, I just say, hey, man to spiritual fathers and I am one.

00;47;51;23 - 00;48;12;18
Joshua Hoffert
Yeah, that's been one. People said you have the heart of a lion. I've been told so many times I have a heart. Yeah, I tell people yeah I love to have people. It may be necessary. They want to hug you in a program. And it was a dear lady. I a spiritual daughter, that she'd have smoke coming over your shoulder.

00;48;12;22 - 00;48;45;05
Joshua Hoffert
So I said to her, You need a hug. I'm not about you, but you need us. You come. And she literally would come to me and you could see the smoke coming over. Yeah. So angry, but true. That helps you. That that from Spirit. Yeah. Anyway, so. Yeah, Huge. Father's heart is huge. Yeah. I love that he having a having someone stand in as a father and offer a father's blessing gave you what you needed to go to your own dad and say I need a father's blessing.

00;48;45;05 - 00;49;20;05
Joshua Hoffert
Which in turn turned your heart and greater affection towards the father. Right? Like a God was that. And that's interesting because how long did that process take? Was that years? Months in terms of the distance between the the spiritual father, your own father, and then the affection of the father. So I think my first father's or my first father heart God, was for 18 months, literally, no matter where I went in the Bible, God had me and John 1415 So yeah, basically John 14 and 15.

00;49;20;07 - 00;49;48;09
Joshua Hoffert
So he was pouring into me. He was imparting me. That the father? Yeah, you, you know, you if you love me all day, which time you love. Yeah. And son, I very distinctly remember aa6 30 Tuesday morning in the church. I was in a vineyard, Vernon Vineyard, and it was about a ten or 11 foot high cross and was only three of us showed up that morning.

00;49;48;12 - 00;50;36;17
Joshua Hoffert
And I kind of let the group, but I said, Guys, we got to deal with that cross. And the three of us knelt at the foot of that cross. So I just came. Yeah, probably that was most impactful for me. The other two guys were very much impact. Yeah, but it's that stuff time frame. I honestly don't know what I'm going to say from 1994 96, I had the father's blessing and then it just kind of came probably by probably by nine, let's see, four years where it was really being formed in, you know, where I was then from that point.

00;50;36;20 - 00;51;11;29
Joshua Hoffert
Be able to respond with that. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love like, you know, there's who I can through a song with recently but there's such a there's, such a there's like this this thing in our culture I think it's like the instant fixed culture right that we're in today. It's like, well I'll just say the prayer write down or just renounce the thing or just whatever and nothing is a quick fix.

00;51;12;01 - 00;51;53;20
Joshua Hoffert
It's not it's an it and it's not a reflection of of a biblical culture or a Christian culture is a reflection of our contemporary culture, because everything's a quick fix, right? It's like you can you can get whatever you want to feed your appetite, like within either instantaneously or you can get it shipped within days, right? Like, like this, this it we're so conditioned to think that things should happen rapidly, but for the father to come and because I think that's four years is probably a fast operation of God.

00;51;53;20 - 00;52;14;01
Joshua Hoffert
Right. You know, sometimes for people it takes 80 years. And I'm sure there's I'm not just saying after four years, there's probably more. And the father was more and more in and all that stuff. But that but after that, four years was kind of when it was solidified that this is who I and and and then at the at the beginning of it I love thinking about this stuff.

00;52;14;01 - 00;52;44;21
Joshua Hoffert
At the beginning of it, Jack had no idea what the end of it was going to look like, Right. As desperate as he was for his own father's affection, he had no idea the beginning of the end was going to look like. And and so to me, when I hear stories like that, it means it says to me, don't lose hope and don't lose hope because God has a plan and we get we in between this moment and this moment, we think God has abandoned us.

00;52;44;21 - 00;52;58;21
Joshua Hoffert
And the whole time he's looking forward to this moment. And we go, What's going on? And all the middle? And he's like, I'm anticipating the moment your heart's going to reach out to me again. I said, We're going to be it's two weeks, maybe it's two months, maybe it's two years, maybe it's ten years. I don't know because I don't know.

00;52;58;23 - 00;53;22;15
Joshua Hoffert
I don't know the thoughts of God about it. I just know that's that in between this moment and this moment, don't lose hope because God is with you. And he has a plan and he has an agenda and he has a thought, and there'll be a moment that he visits again. I know 94 Foot of the Cross Jaggers touch with the significant moment with Father's Love 96.

00;53;22;15 - 00;53;55;09
Joshua Hoffert
He's got a spiritual down standing in front of them, right? Like we've got what would seem like a wall is actually designed by God, that our hearts would be desperate, Cry on Zoom and I'll never lose hope that God doesn't have a plan or doesn't have a moment where he's going to meet you because he does. We've seen it time and time and time again and you know, he comes and it says, like Jesus said, whoever leaves father, mother, brother, house, homeland, family, I'm going to give him more in this life.

00;53;55;09 - 00;54;21;11
Joshua Hoffert
And the life to come in. For some people, that's it seems like a threat, like on a one more family. But it's because we need people that model the various we need. I need the love of a father. I need the love of a mother. I need the love of a lover. I need the love of a brother and I need the love of a sister because those are always that are the Scripture conveys that God comes to us right?

00;54;21;15 - 00;54;39;28
Joshua Hoffert
Comes as a sibling, He comes as a lover, He comes as a mother and he comes as a father. Always it that it says the father comes to us or God comes to us. And and so I need those people in my life because I've been hurt and wounded. All of us have to certain degrees in those various relationships.

00;54;40;01 - 00;54;58;14
Joshua Hoffert
So I need a model me and I need the father to come to me so that my my heart finds healing, my brain finds healing. And then the next time someone comes to me that needs a love of a father or the love of a brother, for me, I can offer it because I've seen other people do it for me and the fathers come to me.

00;54;58;16 - 00;55;21;25
Joshua Hoffert
So that healing, healing takes time and that's fine. That's okay. That's like like we think, you know, Paul, he has his Damascus Road experience, right? Where he encounters Christ and he's been persecuting Christians and he's convinced that he's doing the right thing. The most zealous, he said of all the Pharisees, he was the heir apparent to the greatest Pharisee or the greatest rabbi of the day.

00;55;21;28 - 00;55;42;10
Joshua Hoffert
Gamaliel Oh, he would have been the next guy. And so Paul has this Damascus Road experience, right? And everything starts to change with all. And Paul immediately goes and tries to teach the Jews about Christ, and he's going to be killed. He's totally rejected, right? They have to lure them out by the side of the they under cover of night or else they're going to kill them.

00;55;42;12 - 00;56;03;27
Joshua Hoffert
And then Paul disappears from the scene for 14 years. You don't see anything? Nothing about it. It's only about a chapter in the Book of Acts. But he talks about it in Galatians that when they send for him again, he's been anonymous 14 years. And I'm my opinion is that it took that long, too, for the father to love affairs out of them.

00;56;03;29 - 00;56;35;16
Joshua Hoffert
That's what I think happened to end, which a Pharisee is just an orphan spirit for the father to love the orphan out of them. It took 14 years and and he comes then as a father and and he's still had these issues, right? Like he rejects John Mark and learns in the and what happens but you know he's it's not that he's perfect but the father has begun to love the orphan out of them and you know there's a there's a there's a process there.

00;56;35;18 - 00;57;00;07
Joshua Hoffert
And when we just when we try and find the quickest way to alleviate the pain or alleviate the discomfort, which usually is what is why addictive cycles come in, we use addictions to alleviate the pain. And you know, we never find healing there. You just find greater and greater dependance upon the addictive cycle and the addictive cycle could be relationships in your life.

00;57;00;07 - 00;57;32;16
Joshua Hoffert
It could be I mean, it can be anything, right? It doesn't. It doesn't. It can be online shopping. It can be videogames. It could be porn. It could be actual substance abuse. Your brain has the capacity to be addicted to anything because pain will drive your need. The need you do alleviate pain, but the father will come. And if would just rest in the fact that like like I am sometimes I'm very conscious of my sonship with him and he's visited me in his affection.

00;57;32;16 - 00;57;51;18
Joshua Hoffert
And sometimes it's by faith that I step into sonship. Right? But I'm always a son, regardless of whether I feel it or by faith. I step into it and sometimes we want to feel it all the time. But you don't always feel it. Sometimes it's by faith, and I make that step by faith, and that's just as pleasing to him as when I step in by feeling.

00;57;51;20 - 00;58;06;26
Joshua Hoffert
So I'm I'm, I can be cognizant, you aware or I can be very moved. But just because I'm not moved doesn't rob me of my Sonship, because my faith and I step into it and I say, No, I am. No, I am. I know I am. This is who I am. And I remind myself of who I am.

00;58;06;28 - 00;58;27;16
Joshua Hoffert
And I have moments of affection with him and then moments that aren't as affectionate. And that's fine. And I love the moments where he's affectionate. But because I'm not presently in his affection or consciously aware of his affection doesn't mean that somehow I'm not a son. Because I'm a son, I'm mostly a son by faith. Because by faith, I'm in Christ.

00;58;27;18 - 00;58;57;21
Joshua Hoffert
So when you don't feel it, just remind yourself of it. And one thing we'll take a break in. Just a quick break for people that need to get more donuts. If there are more donuts, what what Jack experienced in that moment where he had a spiritual father stand in front of them and offer a blessing to them. Right.

00;58;57;24 - 00;59;24;05
Joshua Hoffert
This is prophecy. That's prophecy. And as far as I'm concerned, that is the most powerful way prophecy works. I remember asking James, you know, you guys know James Jordan. You know, like I. Because I told you about him, right? James Jordan was was mentored by Jack Frost and Jack Winter. And so Father heart ministry now is James Jordan is the guy and he's from New Zealand.

00;59;24;05 - 00;59;45;17
Joshua Hoffert
And they have international stuff all over the place. Tracy and I have actually talked about bringing one of their schools into the church or into the Maritimes. So maybe some time that'll happen. It'll be really good because there's a lot of options on P.E.I. in the Maritimes in general. Let Me, there's orphans all over the world, but we just know that need, right?

00;59;45;19 - 01;00;10;16
Joshua Hoffert
Anyway, I was in a conference and we had a Q&A session and James Jordan was the key speaker. And so I asked him, has has his view of prophecy changed because of him over it, over his life when it comes to his encounters with the heart of the father? And he said, Yeah, absolutely. Because now all he's really concerned about is telling people what the father thinks about them.

01;00;10;19 - 01;00;38;03
Joshua Hoffert
And I thought, that's just such a beautiful approach to prophetic ministry. I'm not concerned about declaring your great destiny. I'm not concerned about telling you all the great things you're going to do or the ministries you're going to be involved with. A God can speak to you about that. And there's moments where that happens. I'm not saying there's not, but what I really want you to know is how great the father's love is for you, which is what happened when that spiritual father said in front of you, he prophesied your destiny by telling you you're a good son.

01;00;38;05 - 01;00;55;12
Joshua Hoffert
And that's that's what you need to hear. You're a good daughter. You're good son. I believe in you. You know, those kind of things. And that's every every every bit the beauty of prophecy. As if someone were to tell you what you're going to be for breakfast tomorrow morning, you know, way more so.