Wrack Your Brain Episode 1

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Episode 1 of what we intend to be a weekly series. This is a show about everything and nothing. Part politics, part satire, all bourbon. Join Dominick Leon and Charles Fuks as they muse about current events, social issues, and whatever surfaces from the depths of their minds. If you walk away thinking about something in a different way leave a comment, like, and share. This episode is about firearm deaths and our ideas on how to reduce them without infringing on lawful ownership.

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Background music is "Indie Folk (King Around Here)" by Alex Grohl

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Transcript

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this episode of the podcast is brought to you by no one because we are not even published yet my name is dominic leon

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with my co-host and today we're going to talk about a whole bunch of [ __ ]

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i'm not going to curse you don't want me to curse in this podcast doesn't matter it's the internet we can curse if we want to yeah but if you don't yeah [ __ ]

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it but um moving on we're going to have a couple conversations about some interesting

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topics things that you people out there want to listen to people that don't want to hear but we're going to say anyway and uh

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we're just gonna get right into it so charlie take it away uh thank you dominic yeah today's uh

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today's topic primarily exclusively or at least in part is gonna be about gun control what does it mean and how can we

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prevent the deaths of innocent americans interesting

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that's an interesting topic and by the way we're doing this with one microphone so it's a pin in the ass having to bring it back and forth i'm working on that to

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get a second microphone but you people out there deal with it anyway for now gun control preventing deaths well

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my opinion is that education on gun control education is key

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that's where we should start back in the 50s asia they used to actually teach children a lot about gun control in

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schools now they don't do that anymore but let's go with your opinion what's your

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opinion where do you stand on the whole thing where do you think we should start making changes and and

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what do you think would be a a good place to at least have a good start

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with coming up with different ideas well as you know dominic i'm a

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consultant in uh in one of my professions and i look at the

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the number of people who who die in this country approximately 40 to 45 000 uh die die uh

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through through firearm death now that's a matter of fact number that's not you know you can fact check that number

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absolutely fact check i believe it's it's between 40 and 45 000 half of which approximately die by suicide and half of

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which approximately are our homicide okay so i look i look at at deaths by

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firearms almost exclusively in a uh like a risk

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risk mitigation or or risk control perspective right the the

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the measures that are put into place have to have to reduce the risk and the hazard

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or at least the severity and likelihood by a significant amount for for each for each measure put into

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place if if for example we ban assault rifles how many how many deaths

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is that going to prevent every year versus something like expanding but now let me just

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let me just interject one thing now you say assault rifles there's such a big conversation about the existence of

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well not not the existence but even the definition of assault rifle because everybody

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everybody assumes that ar means assault rifle when you and i both as military you know i'm a veteran you're currently

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in the military we both know that ar does not stand for assault rifle but a lot of people don't

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understand or even know that now there is a big debate on what people

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consider an assault rifle or an assault weapon and as a gun person

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that i would consider myself i would assume that every single gun

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firearm everything is an assault gun or assault rifle or assault weapon depending on how you use it

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i mean that can be debated and i mean you understand what i'm saying right yeah i mean well i mean there's there's

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actually some some uh objectivity around that so an assault rifle from from things that

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i've read distinguishes distinguishes that particular weapon

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from what would traditionally be considered a battle rifle so going back to world war ii

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or as recent as world war ii and the korean war the the you know the primary standard

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issued weapon was the was the m1 garand that was considered a battle rifle due to the and and you know but part of

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this i'm i'm again speaking as a in some respects as a layperson because i'm not a weapons expert but my

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understanding is due to the caliber length of barrel and maximum effective range

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that the m1 grand would be considered a battle rifle the the a ar platform was

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designed as a quote-unquote assault platform primarily meaning somewhat of a

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smaller caliber and somewhat of a shorter range again compared to something like like a garand but

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now let me just i just want to say there you saw because a lot of people use the ar as a um as an example

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however there are rifles out there that fire the same caliber round

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as the ar you know both with the two two three and five five six because they're same diameter however

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these other rifles that can fire that have the capability of firing the same caliber round don't look as menacing but meanwhile you

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never hear about them because that's part of the problem is that is that people people want to enact

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public policy without being very specific in in the in the words that that they use

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right so you have looked at that but that's that's that's an interesting position do you think that they should

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be specific in the wording that they user should are because it really seems that they're just painting this

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this broad you know they're having a broad you know stroke across the board of every every single firearm

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that looks menacing like the ar-15 is going to be deemed an assault rifle but

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as i just said we have other rifles that fire the same caliber rounds that just look like your everyday hunting rifle

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and there's no mention of these well that's that's the thing about public policy and laws in particular imagine if

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if speed if speed laws just said don't go too fast or you'll get a ticket versus saying 45 miles per hour or 75

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miles per hour right there would be no way there's no way to enforce

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laws that are specific and and really the big specific law they can't go past

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45 if it's during the 45 miles an hour that's right but what if the law said don't go too fast you get a ticket if

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you go too fast what's too fast too fast to whom too fast on what road right what do you consider too fast is versus what

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i consider too fast exactly imagine how many people would be getting speeding tickets and and how many people would be

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arguing with cops on a daily basis on video on youtube saying well no i wasn't going too fast right so so

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laws especially those with with criminal criminal penalties have to be specific

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and when when words or terms used in those laws are

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mean different things to different people in different circumstances it effectively

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causes the word or term to be meaningless i see

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so in that case then what what would you follow up with as you were saying earlier and i i know i kind of um side

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side stepped you there with the assault rifle definition but then how would you

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how would you move forward as far as addressing the deaths and the gun

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control issue and i'm just going to put this in there how would we address it

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without saying to the people that we want to repeal the second amendment because i

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know both of us are not in favor of that but we also do recognize that people are

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still shooting each other you know there is and i'm not going to get into the whole thing with you know this is happening

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more in in blue states and red states and in democrat-run cities and in republican-run cities because we can

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complain and argue about that all day but it gets us nowhere this episode should be based on factual

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information or at least things that we can fact check and

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you know we can verify this way with the information that we can gather we can potentially come up

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with a much better solution as opposed to an in-office politician who's going to

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go with whatever lobbyists or whatever their personal interests or whatever their party's

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interests are what about the public's interest what can the public do in order to change

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their perspective uh for as far as gun understanding and gun education and

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perhaps you know let's let's uh put a dent on these numbers and lessen the numbers as far as people shooting each

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other well part of the problem is that too many too many politicians

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and and too many constituents want to form policy based based on fear and and

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subjective perception so right now like i said there's there's

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about 20 000 people that die due to homicide 20 000 people that that died due to due to suicide that's and that's

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not even mentioning the the x number of people that that are are injured

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in whether critically or not due to firearms every year something like 90 90

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of the of the um of the homicides are conducted in the in

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the uh or occurred during the conduction of of a crime typically a violent crime not

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not necessarily the murder of someone being the crime itself right it could be burglary

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larceny right it could be it could be gang violence point is and this is this is this is

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this data has been compiled like i said approximately 90 percent are in the commission of a crime

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more importantly or or further it's been documented that a majority of

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those again i think it's also 90 of those of those homicides or the

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weapons themselves were legally purchased at one point however

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the the perpetrator or person who who fired the weapon at the time

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usually has has purchased that weapon illegally so

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it stands to reason that if we if we limit and start to reduce the the flow

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of illegal weapons into into typically uh uh you know liberal cities and

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liberal states then we can reduce significantly the number of homicides in

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during the commission of a crime okay but now

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here's my here's my uh my question you said that some some of these uh some of

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these firearms at one point were purchased legally actually i want to say every uh almost every

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firearm something in the high 90s percentage of and we can fact check that because i mean as far as you have cities

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like miami and uh and places in texas you know anywhere in the gulf there's a

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lot of firearm uh illegal firearm import from south america mexico you know

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and they're coming in and those are not what the us would consider

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i guess with the what they would consider legally purchased firearms for sure they're coming in on the black

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market from wherever they're coming from i don't know of a place here in america where you could buy an ak-47

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unregistered you know automatically fully automatically that's just there there are there are weapons that that enter

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this country like you said that that come from the black market that are illegally smuggled and illegally imported

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the data that i've seen show that that uh that is a small number

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as a matter of fact

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hold on it's just i hear the fire engines through the yeah yeah i hear them so just relax for a little

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i'll i'll cut all that out okay but i don't want like the background

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resonance we gotta set it up we gotta put mattresses on as well

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we do that people think i'm doing other [ __ ] [ __ ] nothing don't touch the wall of digging

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um okay let's continue yeah so so as as far as the data that i've seen

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uh it it showed that or that data show that that uh of the 90

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a overwhelming majority uh those those homicides were committed

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by via firearms that were at one point legally purchased and legally manufactured and that's that's the

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there's in some respects there is there's a straight path between the the

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as far as paperwork goes between the purchase of the firearm and the commission right if if uh if a firearm

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has still has a serial number on it then then atf saves those records for some something

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between three and five maybe even more more years right so so any any criminal investigation you can look at that

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serial number but they only save that serial number and say between three and five you would you would think that right now

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you would think that now with everything being digital and much easier to to save and compile that they would actually be

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able to save those serial numbers for a lot longer because now i from what i understand we

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have technology that even if these serial numbers are grinded down

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the [ __ ] out shut up get out

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get out get out get out you're quiet you can stay

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get out i don't know i've seen it they use

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chemicals and um i don't know what the name of the chemical is but they can put it on the area of where the serial

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number was and it'll raise the impression of the original serial number on these on these

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weapons now if you again we're in 2021 you would think

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we're in the digital age you know compiling information uh one serial number and a little bit of

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information is only going to take up a couple of kbs of information you know on anything and

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i'm sure and and we've seen it you know you and i both work on computers almost every day

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and we understand how much information can be saved and you know for example just my external hard drive that's one

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terabyte how much information do you think i can hold on to that as far as how many people's information and serial

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numbers per person if they have multiple rifles can i you know can i have on one terabyte of information and i'm sure

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the atf can afford more than one terabyte of information well that's i mean that's that's

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part of the problem and part of the point is is that there are there's legislation that can be passed

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that that would enhance current law enforcement's ability or the the law

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enforcement's current ability to uh to to stop the the flow of these illegal

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weapons right so that's an easy one why why shouldn't and why can't uh law

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enforcement agencies first of all have better collaboration because there's it's been proven that there are gaps in

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in the data sharing and collaboration and and why can't the the uh the length

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of time that that information saved be be extended to virtually forever right

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there's no there's no time limit on on when a firearm could be legally purchased and then used to commit a crime right what if it's longer with if

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it's 15 years after the the manufacturing purchase should the law enforcement have the ability to to track that

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now here's here's another you know sort of statistic and talking point is that is that the the firearms that

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are used in homicides typically are are held in those homicides occur

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typically in states that are that are more liberal or more democratic also in states that they typically have

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have stricter of stricter gun laws so where do those firearms come from

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more than likely they're coming from states that that have that have less than less stringent firearms laws

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well there there's two options we can either we can either uh uh further restrict

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the the ability of people to to purchase those firearms or or it at least at

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least make it make it more uh more difficult for them to to own them and continue to keep them and carry

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them or we could focus on the on the uh uh on the you know further

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down further down the spectrum for the further down the the process

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and and enhance the the um the the law enforcement ability well how

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do we do that there are gaps in the in the history if you will of firearms

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so a firearm can be purchased in florida for example uh by by somebody who wants to do the right thing and purchase it

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illegally they'll show their the driver's license in florida there'll be a federal background check whatever they

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do with it at the time of the purchase and that individual will will walk out of the gun store well

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florida i believe is one of the states that doesn't require that doesn't require any sort of paperwork or or um

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paper trail to to pass on a firearm between private individuals right right

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like the there was that case a couple years ago where the father bought the firearm and gifted it to his son

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and just gave it to him practically and i don't think there was any paper trail for that and the son went on to commit

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some crime with with that same firearm and that i think that happened uh maybe two three years ago sure now

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that that's that's sort of an easy case where where we know who purchased the

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firearm who the firearm was given to and then ultimately who who committed the homicide well the majority of homicides

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are committed with firearms where where we know the the individual possibly if it was recent enough

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uh we know the individual who who purchased the firearm but we don't know to whom they they gave it or sold it to

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and we we when i say we i mean we law enforcement law enforcement doesn't know

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how how or or through whom the firearm made its way to for example new york

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city well there need to be measures in place either at the state or federal level

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that require a paper trail for firearms so let me ask you a question i mean

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and i'm sorry to interrupt you but there's a lot of cases of these same firearms that are purchased legally

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and you know let we have to admit to ourselves there are people out there doing nefarious you know things and they

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said well i'm gonna buy this firearm legally sell it illegally but just claim it stolen

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you know then that's also a thing and i mean but again there's so many times that a person can do that until they start you

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know putting up red flags with with uh law enforcement and insurance companies

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as far as i know there's there's other than it raising red flags there's

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nothing that that there's no ultimate impact on those individuals and like you said

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how many how many traffickers are there in this country

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how do they how do they obtain their weapons or or more specifically uh who who are they obtaining these weapons

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from and if we can if we can identify the the the highest um

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the no the the people who are doing this the most often then there should be laws that stop them

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from from obtaining firearms or fines and or jail time because in effect

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while they're not pulling the trigger they are they're they're like a drug dealer on the street right the drug

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dealer isn't pushing the heroin into someone's veins yet we hold drug dealers accountable it's illegal to sell to sell

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heavy drugs and they go to prison right yeah that's a good point we don't you know we're not

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you know even though the the i mean the pharmacist releases the percocet to the to the

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patient but they're not forcing it down their throat you know and then if they overdose on a legal prescribed

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medication we're not arresting pharmacists but we're we're arresting street-level

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drug dealers right right but again but that street-level drug dealer is not holding a gun to the user's head and say

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inject yourself with this drug right now they're still they're still held accountable right they're still they're still you know serving serving jail time

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the difference betw i mean the difference is that that heroin and most drugs are

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illegal versus versus the percocet right if if and funnily enough they come from the

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same plant right yeah okay heroin and percocet right but

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if if you know um as a matter of fact i'm sure there are cases

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where pharmacists have been arrested for for effectively pushing pushing drugs right either they're selling they

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had a whole netflix special on on what's her name as it was a female doctor and she was pushing percocet somewhere in

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the south and i don't know if it was louisiana somewhere and they caught her and she was

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putting out i mean thousands of prescriptions for percocet and vicodin and then she got hooked onto it it was

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amazing but i mean it's still on netflix but if it is you should watch it i mean if if again i'm sure there have

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been pharmacists that have been caught taking taking some some pills off off the top of what they produce right and

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selling it to friends and family they've committed a crime and even though they haven't i mean even if

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there's no overdose in those cases they've they've they've supplied a substance

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they've they've they've supplied something physically that that has been

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used to hurt to harm others right so there shouldn't be any difference again i'm not saying that we that we punish uh

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legal legal firearms owners and purchasers but there's a difference between between purchasing

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and owning a firearm in good faith and and using the the rights and privileges

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that you have in this country under the second amendment to to essentially uh uh supply drug not drug dealers but to

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supply criminals but now let me hear some criminals you've done something wrong i don't care if you've purchased it legally no and

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and i agree with that now my my my question is this also what about i mean because we understand i think we

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had this conversation a few weeks ago and i think i'm i mentioned the same thing i'm about to mention as we

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understand different states have different laws as we just discussed florida has its own set of rules and and

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and laws and how to buy a firearm how to go about it what the background checks entail etc etc

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but then you have cities like new york city where the process makes it you know just um almost impossible to

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own a firearm unless you're you're free yes and and unless you fall under

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certain circumstances they do make it pretty much impossible just by the process alone that you have

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to go through it makes it that you just want to not have a firearm because it's just not worth the hassle

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but it's cities like new york that these illegally purchased firearms end up

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by necessity by necessity but but it's not because if every state were like florida you

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wouldn't have an illegal done trade that's true i agree with that i agree

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with that but it's not the case and then that's where i was going to where do you think

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the country as a whole all 50 states hawaii alaska and lower 48.

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if we had a federal law that was just blanket across all 50

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states and the territories you know american samoa puerto rico guam

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etc that you know federally had you had to fall under certain guidelines if you

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wanted to purchase a firearm blanket law it's not prohibiting you from purchasing a firearm

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but at the same time you know you can't go to another state because it's it's

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less restrictive and try to get away with you know sneaky stuff and try to kind of backroom backhanded stuff and

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as opposed to well it doesn't matter what stage you're in what stage you're in what process you're

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using doesn't make a difference you try to buy a firearm the system will be the same

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in new york as it would be in seattle as it would be in texas as it would be in idaho etc

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what if the country had something like that in place where in my opinion not only would it make it

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easier to understand the rules and the regulations as far as how you would go about purchasing a

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firearm but it would also make it a lot easier for the country to track those firearms as an as as a

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complete entity not that just the atf has to go to whatever state that they're in no they can go to one system

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and say i know that firearm was purchased in this state and then this person still owns it even though they

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move to this other state doesn't matter and it should be required by law that if you own that firearm

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that you register it since they already know you bought it that you registered in your new state of residence even

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though they know you're still the original owner well i mean

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multiple things with that right first of all you know that's not the system that we have the system we have is is you know and

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neither one of us are lawyers but essentially right we we know that that um the division between state and and

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federal powers essentially essentially necessitate that each each

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state have their own have their own fire set of firearm laws but you're right they're they're ideally there there

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should and needs to be consistency right from from even from

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speaking you know somebody who has a concealed carry permit when i when i travel across the country i'm i'm

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not just vigilant but almost paranoid to double double and triple check the the laws of of the state that i'm traveling

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to so that i don't i don't accidentally break the law right it it makes no sense

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that i can carry my weapon to up to something like 38 states but i can't carry it on my person as long as i have

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no felonies and have committed no crimes that i can't carry it on my person in the other 12 states it's it's ridiculous

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but again from from from the perspective of of mitigating uh deaths or or

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reducing the number of people who die via by a homicide at least from firearms uh

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the well i mean not not not to interrupt you but here's

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here's a an interesting little thing i just i thought of it as you said that specific homicide by firearm

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as we know not all deaths by firearm are a homicide a lot of them are police officers you know shooting suspects you

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know whether they're innocent or not that's not the topic of conversation we're having today you know

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store owners protecting their property homeowners huh [ __ ] the police [Laughter]

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we're gonna edit that

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as we were saying what the hell

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completely [ __ ] [ __ ] okay so there's

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you know you said death you know homicides by firearm but it's not just homicides that's you know police

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you know using their firearms and you know you know either in protecting uh the the you know the citizens of a

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city or or protecting themselves or or what have you but also you have shopkeepers storefront

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owners that are have to protect themselves with firearms homeowners that they get in you know somebody breaks

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into their house and then they kill their and you know the home invasion assailant or whatever those deaths you know uh can we account

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can we say that those are homicides no those as far as i know those aren't attractive homicides those are but they

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have but they are attract nonetheless no for sure there's there there's x number of

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people above 40 000 or whatever the whatever that number is that that die due to firearm

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either either because because of an interaction with the police officer or or because somebody

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shot them in in self-defense but those aren't those aren't tracked in the homicide and suicide numbers as far as i

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know but are they not tracked in death by firearm yeah somewhere sure right so can

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so now somewhere but are those same numbers if they're if they're tracked death by

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firearm if they're tracked and even if we're not saying they're homicides they're not suicides

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but can those numbers be skewed in order to fit a narrative

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say if the person's saying well we have x amount of deaths by firearm a year

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and it's in this it's this astronomical number however there's there's the wait hold on

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but wouldn't the critical thinker say okay you're saying that and i believe you but

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what's the breakdown what's the ratio of those of of those deaths like how many

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of them are actually murders however how many of them are suicides how many of them are

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you know self-defense situations how many of them are accidental

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you know we've heard numerous times kids playing with their you know their their irresponsible

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parents firearms and they shoot themselves by accident or they shoot their friends you know it happens but can those

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numbers be used to fit a narrative in order to go against the second

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amendment you know as far we both understand that certain political parties will try to to do that in order to fit a narrative no

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i'm not trying to play the the one side versus the other i'm stating things that we've both seen over the years happen

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you know it's the same way as say i've seen this i watch a lot of youtube and

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i've seen i don't know maybe it's because of the videos i watch i watch a lot of boring stuff i don't know but

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for some reason everything i watch i think it's because a lot it's a lot of educational stuff and and things i want

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to learn from even if i don't agree with it i'll still watch it because i want to learn but i've seen this commercial pop up on

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youtube to say you know if 99 of scientists says you know told you climate change isn't real would you

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believe you know so it's okay but you're not everyone knows climate change is real

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but it's is it's isn't is it because of what you're telling me that it's the industrial complex and it's the cars on

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gas emissions it's this and that or is it what these other scientists have said

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that i've heard a million times say so yeah climate change is real but it

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has nothing to do or it has such a the amount that the carbon footprint

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that humankind puts towards the climate change is it's very low it's not negligible but it

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is it's close to it to a degree because climate change has been part of

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earth's history since earth became earth we're talking we're talking uh uh i

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don't know what i'm a change are we talking about no no what i'm saying is a commercial like that because they

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don't specify what they're talking about it's almost just it's a it's like click bait in a

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commercial way where they're just trying to get your attention by saying these vague points of information

32:42

same way a political party would say there's been x amount of debts by firearms okay but you're not telling me

32:48

you know how these deaths have occurred because if they have if they have occurred by self-defense i'm all for that yeah you know what then that should

32:55

be tell me that number and make that number public to make it a deterrent for future

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you know for future assailants to not break into my house to not break into my business

33:06

and the police they want to say okay well and and the police's uh area i would say

33:12

perhaps there needs to be better measures and better education on a firearm because it's like when you're comparing

33:19

police with military military we go out there well active duty we would go out to the range

33:24

constantly and we're always cleaning our weapon learning our weapons we slept with our weapon it's all that kind of

33:30

nonsense you know we did that but police officers go through their training

33:36

and you know for the most part i have to pass some psychological uh examination or whatever depending on what state

33:42

you're in and depending on what their regulations are but uh or requirements but new york city for

33:47

example you're required to see a uh psychologist but still you know what's their level of

33:54

of training once they graduate you know from my understanding it's up to them they have

33:59

to maintain that that level of training well i find that unacceptable because you're asking a person to take time out

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of their daily routine when officers work from what we both

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understand and at least i i think you know this from you know you lived in new york we all know cops who say i work

34:18

my regular shifts and then i work crazy overtime so now also on top of that you want me to be responsible and i have to

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take myself from the little time off that i have and i have to go train myself on other

34:30

things and this should i think the police officers the police departments should be held

34:35

more accountable in in maintaining a level of education and training for their officers that are

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that is mandatory because then i think the the level of of self-control and gun

34:48

gun control with as far as the police are concerned um homicides or accidental deaths or or

34:54

even even purposeful ones by by negligible you know negligent police officers can be

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can be stopped or at least reduced and then we can only focus on the illegal firearm gang violence and and

35:06

what have you and then the homicides you know whatever so you know i know i spoke a lot but i and

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i know you have a million points to everything i said shut the [ __ ] up you gave you gave our listeners a

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preview of the next episode on why dominic wants to defund the police okay i don't want to defund the police i want

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to give them more money for training i want to give them more money for training i want them to learn more and

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be trained more you know in the next episode we'll find out why dominic's a big fan of

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nwa so all right right so so

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you know on the one hand there's there's as far as i know that there's there's almost nobody saying

35:45

uh that that increased gun control will will reduce the number of of people

35:52

who die uh who die you know through firearm but when when that

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firearm was was held by a police officer right so that's that's another topic there's there's

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there are certain there's a lot of opportunity go away

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go away now right now

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all right [ __ ] you go ahead keep going there's a lot of opportunity

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for for the number of individuals who die who died at the hands of a police

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officer to be reduced whether innocent or not but again that's that's that's a topic for for another day but as far as

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as whether or not uh increased legislation on firearms will reduce that i don't

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there's there's i don't think there are many if any voices that that are saying that right but your other point was was

36:46

whether or not the the the data that does exist and oh by the way there's there's a lot

36:52

of gaps in the data right and and you know any any large

36:58

scale complex complex problem that has multiple variables

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cannot be cannot be effectively fixed or addressed when when they're

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gaps in data it's it would be like if um

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you know if if some company right if if tesla wanted to sell more cars and elon m elon

37:20

musk asked asked his executives okay well how many cars do we sell and they're like i don't know we don't know let's take a guess i don't know five

37:26

cars 10 cars elon musk would turn to them and say get me the exact number and then we can

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then we can decide design strategies to increase that number right i mean it's again it's it's asinine to try to come

37:37

up with public policy when there's when there's gaps in information in any case yeah the existing data can can be

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manipulated the existing data can can be used to generate talking points

37:50

the the two biggest problems that come out of that are are again individuals that would ask their elected officials

37:56

to design laws and public policy based on fear and and subjective subjective ideas and

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based on feelings for lack of a better word uh but but the other the other problem

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is just as prevalent right because there's

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there's they're individuals who who allow their fear to dictate their their

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desires for for public divisions on both sides right liberals and conservatives uh but the the other the other problem

38:24

that's just as prevalent and and is a significant issue in in this country and really in

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western society is the people's lack of ability

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for the most part to to see through misinformation and disinformation

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people think they they think that you know that they're the they're critical thinkers uh people believe themselves to

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be able to see through the [ __ ] and to be able to to effectively sort through the

38:55

information that did determine what is credible but many studies have showed that that they're unable to do that so like you

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said if you tell somebody people if you tell someone that um let's just say they 40 someone is told

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45 000 people die because of guns and then they're asked

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should we limit the number of guns well some people who think that number is a high number will say well yeah i

39:21

mean i guess we should probably limit that if that's the number of people who are dying how many people are going to ask well

39:27

how many are how many of those deaths are homicides how many are suicides what are the what are these

39:33

circumstances around around those homicides yeah exactly all right so what's the breakdown of these numbers

39:38

people want to know what does those numbers matter they they matter

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because of the implication right so again if if not if 90

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of of homicides are conducted during the commission of of a crime

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and something like 90 percent of those weapons at the time of commission of said

40:02

homicide were illegally owned then the question becomes how can we

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reduce the number of of illegally owned weapons versus hypothetically if if they were all

40:13

legally purchased then then the question would become well how how can we how can we mitigate the

40:19

risk of individuals committing homicides who purchase firearms legally but that's just not the

40:24

case

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and that's why joe biden is the best president this this country has ever seen we're gonna edit that part out

40:44

okay we're at 40 minutes

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well you figure hang on you figure with uh

40:57

we're back here we go welcome back to another episode of chuck and dom today we are discussing whether or not

41:03

justin trudeau is the illegitimate bastard son of fidel castro i'm gonna say this for the record i'm not calling

41:10

him chuck chuck and dumb come on i don't refer to myself as chuck but i mean for for for

41:17

the gram you know it's all for the gram no it's not i i'm sorry i'm not calling you chuck or an e4 or any other form of

41:25

steak on today's edition of charles and dominic anyway uh so but don't you think that

41:32

charles sounds a little bit more sophisticated charles and i should just mess up patrols and i go by trolls i know i'm

41:37

not calling you purposes of the show listeners or whoever listens to this podcast when the time comes i want you

41:43

to all please tell us why we should not use the name chuck and

41:48

we should just call him charles i don't i don't ask you people to call me dom

41:53

you can call me dominic you can go me down if you want to but chuck is a whole different on today's episode of chazz

41:59

and nicki no i'm not

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our special guest the one and only daughter now son of cher

42:12

is with us chaz how was that uh how was that whole transition for you are your pubes

42:18

different does it change because of the hormones what is it like is the line on top different now or does the gunt kind

42:25

of cover everything i wouldn't know uh i do not have an ounce of hair on my body i had laser hair removal several years

42:32

ago and that's gross [Laughter] that means your whole body's all clammy and wet all the time what's with you and

42:39

the word clammy this man doesn't like anything clammy not even clams trudeau is clammy

42:47

anyway um let me tell you why justin trudeau

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cannot be the alleged illegitimate bastard [ __ ] child of fidel castro by

42:59

the way i know we were talking about gun control earlier but we're we're just this is all part of the ongoing podcast

43:06

experience and having open conversation and open debates uh over open subjects of debate

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as i was saying when a secret is predicated on x number of individuals

43:24

not saying something to anybody and x is very subjective right but you can imagine a number several hundred

43:33

you know probably 200 is is right around where i'd have to ballpark the number

43:38

if 200 or more individuals know a particular secret that is it's no longer

43:43

a secret it's especially if it's if it's juice enough right so i don't know much about the true

43:49

trudeau's justin trudeau or or his parents but from from context and reading some things it sounds like his

43:55

his father was was a politician [Laughter]

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justin trudeau's canadian father uh from whom he takes his last name was

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a a politician and he and his wife at some point in the late 60s early 70s visited cuba

44:16

during that one documented visit in that period of time supposedly justin trudeau was conceived

44:22

well he was born either a year prior to or or i think it

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might actually have been a year after that documented visit which means it would have been either a 12 plus month

44:35

gestation period right or more than likely because no woman has carried a child that we know

44:41

of or at least that i know for 52 weeks uh it was either that or uh or he is not

44:48

justin trudeau's not the child more importantly again could could that one visit not

44:54

have been margaret trudeau's only visit to cuba sure but the wife of a politician from

44:59

halfway across the world traveling to small caribbean island would be known how did she get there did she take a

45:05

boat who who was the crew of the boat you take a plane who was who was uh the cabin crew and piling into that plane on

45:12

top of which politicians don't know but just because politicians and their spouses don't just

45:18

travel without without their entourage and and coordination but even if the

45:23

entourage was there and even if all this coordination happened you think they all took it to their graves

45:29

no maybe they don't know because the only two people that know for sure fidel castro took trudeau's mom into a [ __ ]

45:36

broom closet banged her out for a while during that one visit or maybe on the second or third visit we

45:42

don't know one documented visit as far as i've read what if fidel castro went to put to canada was he welcome in

45:48

canada i'm almost positive he has never left the island of cuba before he died

45:53

pretty sure he never left no he no he left because he was all around south america he was constantly this i know

45:59

for a fact he was constantly in paraguay uruguay venezuela and bolivia chile

46:04

always asking the south american countries for help financially with cuba so that they can become

46:11

because they wanted to have that latin american connection and that latin american unity this i know for effect

46:16

because he actually went made trips to puerto rico while i was there and constantly

46:23

uh asked the the puerto rican politicians to give up there there's one documented trip of fidel castro to

46:29

canada it was 1959. way before way before okay but he's gone there

46:36

documented what about undocumented trips you think fidel castro you think

46:42

fidelica you think name anybody nikita khrushchev uh uh adolf hitler you think they can

46:49

take international trips without dozens if not a hundred or more people knowing

46:55

yes no absolutely 100 people would no get get the heck at it

47:01

again if a secret is predicated on on one to 200 people or more knowing it's

47:07

it's then it's but who says it has to be one to 200 people why can it be just him

47:12

or her the pilot and whoever else one or two people are with him because

47:18

international travel for for politicians and their wives especially you know high-ranking ones is well known well

47:25

documented followed there there's coordination that needs to be made it's not just a handful of people that that

47:31

that would know this isn't like uh you know i disagree yeah i mean

47:36

respectfully you know you you could say that the earth is flat but you know we we know different

47:43

for the record whoever says the earth is flat should not listen to this podcast well uh for the record we accept all

47:50

listeners of all all walks of life we are completely all-inclusive

47:57

diverse uh listener base is is what we encourage okay except for the flat earthers they

48:03

can they can go kick rocks go kick rocks over the edge of the earth that's and and then tell me when that

48:09

happens when you get to the edge of the earth then i i wanna i wanna know about it

48:16

mr trudeau if you're listening i know that you're not fidel castro's son mr trudeau i don't know but i would love

48:23

for you to take a dna test and please prove it once and for all

48:28

but it has to be public and release your birth certificate for god's sake and don't say you're from hawaii

48:34

[Laughter] aloha

48:40

mahalo oh my hawaiian brothers and sister yeah i'm from hawaii yeah yeah he

48:47

believes that like he believes he won the lottery so dominic the on on the topic of lottery can you tell me why you

48:53

think it's appropriate to defund the police for the record i do not in any way shape

49:00

or form believe that the police should be defunded i think they should actually get more money so please do not believe

49:07

charles uh it's an ignorant position to to say

49:13

that they need more money or less money it it it belies a a a misrepresentation

49:19

of the variables that that exist in in policing and the criminal justice system okay well let's

49:25

say they need more training more in-depth training training's not the issue training's not the issue

49:31

oh please charlie tell me the issue please how did we go from gun control to

49:37

how to reign in the we actually went from gun control to who's trudeau's daddy

49:45

who how are we going to reign in the topic of defunding or or more funding

49:50

for the police uh sorry the topic now just to clarify is is the impunity with which police

49:56

officers conduct their their jobs where are you coming up with this incarnation

50:03

of my impunity this is no oh my god oh i all right

50:09

listen oh my god i ladies and gentlemen i i sincerely thought that charlie was

50:15

not a liberal but with well with that last statement it

50:20

really seems like you're flying the big blue flag anything if anything i would i

50:26

would categorize that first of all i can't be put into a box but second of all i would categorize my last statement

50:31

as as for a box as more i got too many muscles it's um

50:37

it's because if anything it would be categorized as more of a libertarian uh

50:43

perspective why because agents of the state who have

50:48

the the ability and permission to to uh uh to essentially take a life

51:01

anyway agents agents of the state who are given the power to take to take a life

51:07

of a private citizen should not be should be held to a higher to the

51:13

highest standard uh above that of of self-defense that of a private citizen the point is uh the

51:20

the the state needs should have checks and balances especially on its on its

51:25

power to to take the life of uh determine who who can live or die

51:30

well you know and there's that's in it all right so now i'm and i'm gonna add to that there's there's an aspect of

51:35

policing that i never agreed with that it seems to be

51:40

you know i am a big supporter of police i am and and i think they should you

51:46

know really be [Music] they should be held to a higher standard because they are in a position where

51:52

listen if you're in a position where you can take a life that means you need to be held accountable for the things that you do

51:58

on a daily basis when you wear that uniform however you need to be absolutely sure that that death is going

52:04

to be justified and the the the data has has shown well wait

52:10

wait but we can both agree that accidents happen and that that for the most part not of course we know

52:17

not always but for the most part when these accidents do happen these police officers are held accountable

52:22

not in not in all cases no no no i didn't say all cases no i didn't i don't know i didn't say it but i didn't say

52:27

all cases i said most of the time not all cases most of the time but this is where i'm going with this no no no no

52:34

but listen but this is where i'm going with this the problem is and this is the reason why there's a big

52:40

discrepancy in it is because for some reason the police mentality has the same level of

52:49

of secrecy as gangs for example where gang members don't want to snitch on other gang members

52:55

police members they say they have this unwritten rule we protect the blue so police officers are very rarely if not

53:02

ever going to read out another police officer it very rarely happens that's true but i'm not i'm not even talking

53:08

about this but no but that but that but that's the direction i'm going and that's what i'm saying where more police officers would be held

53:14

accountable because we very rarely do police officers every police by themselves

53:19

they're always with someone and someone is there to hold them accountable and they are a witness even

53:26

when just despite despite the the what do they call the the blue the blue wall or

53:33

or whatever the expression is despite that i'm not even talking about situations that we don't know of because

53:39

that that you know there's that that line right that secrecy

53:45

really prevents the public from from knowing the full details and situations like that i'm talking about cases and

53:51

situations that that the public knows many of the details and that after the fact

53:58

it turned out that the the individual that was shot and killed was not actually a threat and i'm not

54:03

talking about armed versus unarmed because you don't have to have a weapon on you to actually uh be a threat to someone's to someone's

54:11

life no i'm talking about uh the the circumstances where somebody was killed because they were holding a cigarette

54:16

because they were holding a a cell phone and it was dark and they were and they typically more times than not in those

54:22

cases they're the person is black but that's that's in in in some regards beside the point

54:28

right if well the numbers do reflect that it happens more to black people than it does sure

54:34

but but again if it measures that hold that that change police behavior to result in less

54:42

unjustified deaths will also reduce the number of african-american deaths by by police

54:49

right in other words if if if cops for the record i don't like that term african-american because not all blacks

54:54

identify as african-american fair enough but i i don't know what the current what the current

54:59

term is so uh let's call them blacks they call us so this isn't

55:07

this isn't a black or white thing they don't call us european americans they don't call us you know they don't

55:13

call us uh mountain people they just call us white people sure but i'm talking about police police

55:20

unjustified police uh police shootings right so

1:00:25

right on top of it oh [ __ ] where were we we were

1:00:31

justin trudeau's daddy is fidel we have we've established that and you have a shadow of a doubt oh yeah

1:00:38

without a doubt you know snopes is totally wrong and uh trump should still be president we've established that

1:00:45

and uh which might call it and police brutality fact-checking is not a thing

1:00:54

that's the topic right now now fact checking so there's a one website that is the the

1:01:01

definitive source and it's www dot this is a legitimate source dot com

1:01:08

that is not a source of course that's a source that's the only thing you should trust above fox above cnn above snopes and breitbart

1:01:16

it says who is no that's not even a website i don't i don't know actually i i'm very curious i i i i'm very doubtful

1:01:24

that there's an actual to this to this day i don't think any journalistic media

1:01:31

medium is 100 factual

1:01:36

because they're all in it for the click bait they're all in it for the they want that that that spice added to whatever

1:01:44

brings you to click on whatever they have even if it's a a [ __ ] twitter post or whatever it is it's all a lot of

1:01:51

it is click bait and all these fact checkers that are out there

1:01:58

in my opinion all the fact checkers are doing is digging into the same [ __ ]

1:02:03

rabbit holes that we go down and then coming up with their own opinion because unless they were there

1:02:10

how are they debunking a lot of this stuff stuff that people have probably proven or disproven but they just want

1:02:17

to come up with whatever they have it doesn't make sense to me you'll be happy to know that this is a legitimate

1:02:24

source.com is not an actual website which which makes me think that the url is

1:02:30

available and i might actually purchase that for myself i can go on godaddy and purchase

1:02:36

it right now right 11.99 well it depends on maybe somebody owns it but the point is

1:02:42

that fact checking is is not definitive it can never be definitive

1:02:49

however sorting through the the almost infinite amount of information

1:02:56

that is available on the internet is can be done right

1:03:02

distinguishing between misinformation misinformation and and and truth

1:03:08

is is an art but there are ways right corroboration similar to what people

1:03:14

would do you know to to build a uh some kind of court case right a criminal case

1:03:20

if if if multiple websites multiple sources are

1:03:26

are reporting on on a common common aspect right what somebody said what somebody did

1:03:33

how many people were at a particular event right objective quantitative figures

1:03:40

and there's some sort of consistency then then you can then you can be sure right uh discerning someone's so you

1:03:47

can't be sure because that's a lot of that information is subjective to the listener that's like saying there's no

1:03:52

such there's no such thing as as um as objectivity anymore in other words

1:04:00

sure you handed me a glass of bourbon what if this isn't bourbon what if this is goat piss well it tastes like bourbon smells

1:04:06

like bourbon and gets me drunk pretty sure it's bourbon for somebody to say i still think it

1:04:12

might be goat piss is [ __ ] stupid so kopi luwak

1:04:18

is a coffee the stuff that gets [ __ ] out of um it

1:04:24

gets [ __ ] out of a [ __ ] tiger's [ __ ] or our cat's [ __ ] or whatever

1:04:29

and but but that's what gives us it flavor sure so you can legitimately say it's coffee

1:04:35

with a hint of animal [ __ ] but you're i'm not going to tell you it has animal [ __ ] i'm telling you it's

1:04:40

kobe luac how do you know how do you know it it doesn't have uh ground up moon dust in

1:04:47

it and you're not not drinking part of the moon again it's it's there there nothing i guess nothing can

1:04:54

be known for sure but many many many things can be known beyond a shadow of a

1:04:59

doubt right but beyond the shadow of a doubt is knowing that for sure no not really

1:05:04

there's there's always again it's you know what what's the standard for for court cases right beyond a reasonable

1:05:10

doubt meaning there ca there's all there can always be doubt and an alternate ex

1:05:16

alternative explanation can always be always be presented but there comes a point where where the

1:05:23

alternative explanation just sounds more and more ridiculous based on the contradictory information right so yes

1:05:30

there's nothing is objective but many things are still still objective again you're we're

1:05:36

using technology now that was designed by by engineers right what if this is witchcraft what if it is witchcraft it's

1:05:43

probably not because we can we can disassemble it and find the components and you know know that the circuits are

1:05:49

working based on you know based on certain principles and physics right

1:05:58

100 years ago this would probably be considered witchcraft

1:06:03

i absolutely you should wear these while we talk you need to get what i'm getting the sound everything you should you

1:06:09

should be included in in our conversation and inclusivity now i believe in

1:06:14

inclusivity of course but that doesn't mean that our diversity of thought do you think diversity in and of itself is

1:06:19

a desirable characteristic no [Laughter]

1:06:25

because stupid people shouldn't be engaged in in an intellectual conversation stupid stupid people exist

1:06:30

in society we have to share a society with stupid people it doesn't mean i have to talk to them

1:06:36

but but they get to vote and that's sad i think you should take a [ __ ] iq

1:06:41

test to be able to vote because there are some stupid people out there who just vote you know voting used to be

1:06:49

used to be relegated to white white cis hetero land owners

1:06:57

or just landowners in general because in new york in order for you to vote you

1:07:02

had the law was that you had to own land

1:07:07

in order to vote how many black black men and or minorities owned land in new york well funny you should ask that but

1:07:13

in 19 i'm going to say in the 1910s i'm talking about much further back well let's well let's start in 1910s

1:07:20

from where i know where central park is located presently there used to be a small town there that

1:07:28

is no longer in existence and you can look this up and you can fact check me and i know you will

1:07:34

and in this small pocket of land there were a very diverse group of

1:07:40

people that were irish they were black there were some italians and they lived in what what new york politicians called

1:07:46

the shantytown but it was an actual little little like a small little uh section of manhattan

1:07:52

where present-day central park exists right now and one of the benefits of these people

1:07:59

whether they were black or irish whatever because they owned land because they owned property they were allowed to

1:08:06

vote in new york now remind you new york has always been historically

1:08:12

um not anti-slavery but you know they weren't for slavery ever

1:08:18

it's been more economic pressures right right i mean there was racism of course but there

1:08:24

wasn't that aspect of racism where you know well we hate black people but although that guy owns a piece of land

1:08:30

so he can vote you know according to www.this is thetruesource.com of course

1:08:35

it is aka wikipedia anthony johnson wikipedia

1:08:41

get give me the mic anthony johnson was a black angolan known for achieving wealth in the early

1:08:48

17th century he was one of the first african american property owners and he had his right to

1:08:53

legally own a slave recognized by the virginia courts meaning this was a black

1:08:58

man in the you know early what 17th century

1:09:03

early mid 17th century that not only owned land but owned slaves as

1:09:09

well that bro is an entirely different podcast

1:09:15

entirely different session because there are several examples of black landowners

1:09:21

in the south that own slaves to further that point

1:09:26

and not that i'm in favor of it but you know to the defense of these people the only reason they own slaves is

1:09:33

because in order to be wealthy and that was the thing to do at the time that's what they did they were landon black

1:09:40

african-american landowners that own slaves you know believe in the term african-americans i don't i don't but

1:09:46

you want to be pc for the sake of the podcast so i'm going to follow your rules but i don't believe in african-americans there's a term because

1:09:53

there are also black people who don't identify as a african-american because they're not

1:09:58

africans they're americans that just happen to be black i identify as a as a chair does that

1:10:05

mean i'm a chair you can identify listen there's men who identify as women and yet here we are 2021 having [ __ ]

1:10:12

parades you know i'm a gay man and i'm not for the gay pride parade because i don't

1:10:18

have pride and stupidity my life is my own i don't have to have a [ __ ] parade and and ruin traffic and

1:10:24

everybody else's day because of it no no there's two different things we're

1:10:30

talking about here we've been talking about 50 different things here and that's okay

1:10:35

episode one we're establishing all the episodes to come in this show

1:10:41

we've established a good foundation of what you listeners are are going to expect but we want to make sure we want

1:10:47

to make one thing clear we're going to talk about a diversity a diverse

1:10:52

what the [ __ ] am i trying to say we're trying we're going to talk about a a lot diverse

1:10:58

different [ __ ] but this is just to give you diversity as a as a positive quality in and of itself we believe in diversity

1:11:05

as a conversation topic that just gives us diverse conversation topics as far as

1:11:10

diversity within that i i don't know i don't know i don't know i'm sorry i'm gonna redline

1:11:16

the [ __ ] conversation because i don't believe in that much diversity that's it then i'm not a racist i'm not a bigot

1:11:22

it's just you know hey it's okay i'm a minority within a minority

1:11:28

that doesn't care that's it i'm gonna redline the [ __ ] out of this

1:11:33

whole podcast but what what happened to uh what else are we gonna talk about today well did

1:11:38

you do you even know what redlining is uh why did you guys tell me oh i would

1:11:44

love to redlining is what the real estate agents used to do when they

1:11:49

sold property to black folks in in urban and urban settings

1:11:54

where they did not want black people to

1:12:01

[Music] we're definitely gonna get sued for copyright infringement

1:12:07

that before we get sued for copyright infringement redlining is what real estate agents

1:12:13

used to do in certain they used to map out the the available properties and they would draw red lines around certain

1:12:19

properties and not allow minorities or anybody who was not white to buy properties within these certain areas

1:12:27

and when they would show properties to black or hispanic families they would only show them properties within certain

1:12:33

areas not going into these white areas that's red line

1:12:39

so it sounds like what you're saying is is historical policies uh still have have meaning impact and meaning and

1:12:46

impact in in the present day and uh no and and policies up up through the 1970s

1:12:53

and 80s right uh uh legal policies government policies as well as uh policies that that private companies had

1:13:00

such as banks um may still reverberate through through black and minorities

1:13:05

communities today ultimately uh possibly and probably resulting in the the continued

1:13:12

uh lack of uh economic prosperity for the black community i disagree i i think now what has

1:13:19

happened is that i i was i'm not a fan of redlining although it was a thing

1:13:24

but because of redlining and because of cultural aspects of the different races people

1:13:30

all those things combined have made people more comfortable surrounded by their own kind so even if people

1:13:36

have the ability to go into different neighborhoods a lot of them choose not to because they feel more comfortable

1:13:42

surrounded by their own kind is that something that's wrong possibly not

1:13:48

but other people can see it as is a problem you go into acidic jewish neighborhood hasidic jews do not want

1:13:54

you if you are unless you are another hasidic jew they do not want you in their neighborhood chinese neighborhoods

1:14:01

the chinatown unless you're chinese they look at you like why are you here you're not chinese they don't want you to move

1:14:06

in although chinese love money so if you have enough money they'll let you in

1:14:13

uh italian people italian you go into historically italian neighborhoods

1:14:18

and you don't have to be italian but if you're not white they're looking at you like why are you here in this

1:14:24

neighborhood and unless you give them a right answer they're gonna want you gone

1:14:30

uh i i will say this there there many many groups of people uh

1:14:35

do prefer to to surround themselves with with like-minded individuals so on

1:14:41

on the one hand uh you know there's there's uh sort of an evolutionary uh uh rationale for that

1:14:48

right uh you know tens of thousands of years ago human beings we lived in in small groups right we lived in villages

1:14:53

of 50 50 60 people everybody knew each other uh you know with within those

1:14:59

groups there were there were families that that that knew each other right and so anybody that was an outsider was

1:15:06

was a threat there's there's there was evolution evolutionary pressure on early human beings to to have that sense of of

1:15:13

community and seeing outsiders as a threat now beyond that

1:15:19

you know how that how that applies how that applies today specifically how how previous uh previous policies and

1:15:25

and uh socioeconomic factors have contributed today right there are people who would argue

1:15:32

that uh that many many many white families today have have been able

1:15:39

to to either started out in the middle class or or have been able to join the middle

1:15:44

class because of the the uh the passing on of wealth accumulated

1:15:50

through through home and land ownership and there were there were black families that weren't afforded that same

1:15:56

opportunity and perhaps would would be in in a higher socio socioeconomic

1:16:02

status had they been afforded that opportunity today

1:16:09

well that was deep it was pretty deep however that's what they call me mr deeps how yeah i'm sure that's what she

1:16:16

said but uh so i have a different perspective on

1:16:21

that i i think from if you want to look at it from a racist standpoint and a difference in

1:16:27

cultural standpoints many non many non-black people

1:16:33

don't like when black people live amongst them not so much for the racist aspect of it

1:16:40

but what's the expected cultural impact that that is going to bring

1:16:46

so let's let's let's let's break it down into a very very um

1:16:52

childlike not even childlike we don't have to go that deep let's break it down to a cultural

1:16:58

uh scenario white people typically have parties inside unless there's a birthday party

1:17:03

they're outside with the kids you know they're having a little thing all right um

1:17:09

black people do family what is it the uh what do they call it

1:17:14

family reunions which probably bring about 50 to 100 people deep into somebody's backyard

1:17:22

and think about that you're in a white predominantly white neighborhood and and you have a family reunion in

1:17:29

your backyard and you have 50 to 100 black people in your backyard

1:17:35

a person that's not black is gonna see that and go one of them is gonna start some [ __ ] and

1:17:43

it's going to be bad all right even if it doesn't happen that's the thought

1:17:48

and or some shenanigans are going to happen you know you're going to oh these black people all are going to they're

1:17:54

going to smoke weed and they're going to play their rap music all loud and it's just going to be a lot of nonsense and

1:17:59

they're going to be up until like the wee hours of the morning and we're not going to be able to sleep that's not me saying this this is

1:18:07

situation upon situation where this has happened i mean the case upon case this is happening constantly the problem is

1:18:13

that it doesn't happen in a very isolated area where a lot of people can complain about it at the same

1:18:19

time this happens all over the country so so what you're saying is uh racism is a

1:18:26

significant factor in police brutality i'm saying keep your family reunions in public picnic areas away from

1:18:32

residential areas and you'll be able to isolate any any instances that you'll have with the police because you believe

1:18:39

you'll be able to talk to them in a very sophisticated manner and let them know that hey just because we're listening to

1:18:45

rap eating fried chicken and watermelon and we're drinking not kool-aid but the convenience store red and sugar water

1:18:53

mix because that's what we could afford and but we're not doing anything illegal we're not bringing any laws and we're

1:19:00

leaving everybody alone and plus there are no white people here for us to hurt so please leave us alone if only it were

1:19:07

that simple right i i can't think of of of a specific situation off the top of my head but they're playing i want you

1:19:12

to know that all of this is getting edited out awesome why the [ __ ] am i still saying [ __ ] because i only had other parts

1:19:19

where i sound bad oh okay yeah well that explains

1:19:24

everything jesus [ __ ] always picks up every every sound like you move your foot

1:19:31

but i mean the [ __ ] padded walls aren't going to fix that [ __ ] it's the sensitive sensitivity it's inside it's

1:19:38

inside noises anyway so yeah i mean there have been plenty of of

1:19:45

real world examples where where black men men women children have been uh have

1:19:52

been have been targeted by by white people calling police on them uh and

1:19:57

it's sort of a well-documented phenomenon that that many white people sort of use the police as their personal

1:20:03

security force and when they see people doing things that they don't like they're going to call the police on them and and in some cases they're going to

1:20:09

lie in other cases they're going to tell the truth they're they're going to say somebody was was walking while black or

1:20:15

listening to music while black or or you know standing while black or being black while black and the police

1:20:21

are going to come and the the person might end up dead whereas whereas they they you know the the individual may

1:20:28

have uh in some cases may have been an upstanding citizen right there there was

1:20:34

that that example of that black first lieutenant who was uh

1:20:40

who was harassed by by the police at a gas station if you're you're familiar or you you you saw those videos

1:20:47

uh the the the white police officer i mean from the beginning of the video and this was a body cam video oh the army

1:20:54

lieutenant yeah this is an army first lieutenant right outside of a base he was at a gas station he was he was uh

1:20:59

you know i don't know why he was pulled over i think maybe taillight or something um and if i'm not mistaken the

1:21:04

the this this first lieutenant he he i think he i think the circumstances

1:21:10

were that he he didn't stop immediately because uh it was it was on the side road and was dark and he wanted uh he

1:21:16

wanted to to essentially be pulled over in in a well welded area which is which is his his

1:21:22

right uh and the police officer uh i think he he came up to him guns drawn

1:21:29

he was he was extremely aggressive he was different he maced him he was irrational i mean he

1:21:34

was he asked him to step out of the vehicle and and he said that that you know that the first little said he was afraid of it for his life because of of

1:21:41

how the the police officer approached them i mean if we didn't have a a double standard in society where any police

1:21:47

officer could say they have fear for their life and shoot anybody that they want uh you know i i

1:21:53

plenty of times i i wanna i you know i'm out of my house and i see people who who

1:21:59

uh who are acting stupid and i just want to be like oh yeah i'm afraid for my life let me go and shoot him i'd be in jail you know in in 10 seconds but

1:22:06

police officers are are granted this this um this extreme leeway

1:22:13

that that allows them culturally for lack of better word to act with impunity right now there there are instances

1:22:19

where where police officers are prosecuted sure but there are times when they're not prosecuted and maybe they

1:22:24

lose their jobs maybe they don't but the work the worst thing that happens sometimes uh short of of criminal

1:22:31

prosecution is them losing their jobs and what do they do they they go to another another police precinct another

1:22:37

department another state city and and they get a job because that that record doesn't doesn't

1:22:43

follow them well if you're if you want one last point i mean if you think about any any

1:22:48

other uh any other high high stakes profession right if a doctor makes a

1:22:54

mistake and if they kill somebody they might not be a doctor anymore right if you're a lawyer and you and you you

1:23:00

do something wrong you're going to be disbarred you can't be a lawyer again but if you're a cop and you kill somebody who had a cell phone

1:23:07

you know what mistakes happen it was a high pressure situation go ahead and get another job i'm sorry maybe you don't

1:23:12

have to go to jail but i don't think you should be able to do that job anymore if you made that serious mistake i i agree

1:23:17

but i think police officers actually pay the price more often than you than i

1:23:23

think society even realizes because we are just fed the information that we see in social media and in the news there's

1:23:30

a very cool uh youtube channel called audit the audit i'm i'm pretty sure

1:23:35

that's what it's called you know not to plug the youtube channel not another guy but it's called audit audit the audit

1:23:40

and uh all it is is it's a a vast amount you hear my foot hitting

1:23:47

the thing yeah it's a lot of video footage of police officers

1:23:52

um behaving a certain way good and bad and what this person does is uh he

1:23:58

reviews the video in a in a lawful manner it breaks it down to how like you know

1:24:05

even he puts in these um excerpts of cases you know in the past and you know people when

1:24:12

somebody says oh i'm filming this you know the police officers uh well let me see some id he says i don't have to show

1:24:18

you my id and the police officer says yes you do you know he starts breaking it down and

1:24:24

it's beautiful i mean and he will give you the before which is the video we're watching and then he'll

1:24:30

give you the after of what happened to that officer in the aftermath of that video and then he will grade the officer

1:24:36

like this officer gets a c or this officer gets an f but he will also give you the the information on while that

1:24:42

officer turns out after this particular situation was not just fired but now this one went to jail or this officer

1:24:49

got fired or this officer got reprimanded and demoted you know he gives you this these breakdowns but

1:24:54

because they're not high-profile cases we don't hear about them a whole lot but it happens more often than people

1:25:00

understand 100 100 there there are there are are less known or or completely unknown

1:25:07

circumstances where a police officer does something wrong and they're reprimanded or they they lose their job

1:25:12

right short of of killing somebody you probably won't short of killing somebody or short of

1:25:18

somebody somebody recording their interaction with with the police during a routine interaction you're probably

1:25:24

not gonna and if that video goes viral you're not gonna hear about it right completely understand and

1:25:30

and the the number of of unjustified deaths unjustified coming out after the

1:25:35

fact uh by by police are relatively low but we are up at a point where where

1:25:43

the the not the percentage but the actual number of instances are documented and they they happen almost

1:25:50

on a daily basis and there's there's a lot of video evidence of of the actual of the actions that were taken by by by

1:25:57

the police officer and by the person interacting with with the police officer and and many people in society have have

1:26:05

have become fed up with the sheer number not the percentage not the rate but but

1:26:10

just the the the raw number of times where people are killed by the police where where they shouldn't be

1:26:16

and there are things that can be done about that people hold on to that just just interject one second what do you think about the statistics that say that

1:26:23

more there are more white people shot by white people or there's there's more white people shot by white cops and

1:26:29

there is black people shot by white cops versus there are more black people shot by other black people

1:26:35

in general so more white people are shot by white cops

1:26:40

and there are black people shot by white cops statistically speaking and this you can fact check this it's it's it's a

1:26:48

known fact okay so there's there's a couple a couple of things with that so first of all you said more black people are shut shot

1:26:55

shot by other black people that are not cops and that's what we were talking about at at the beginning

1:27:01

which was which was the the number of of people that that die at the end of a firearm via homicide in this country

1:27:08

many of them are black and many of the the both victims and and perpetrators in this case firearms are illegal and very

1:27:15

and illegally owned at the time of commission of of the murder uh you

1:27:20

usually legally purchased originally that's different than saying that that

1:27:26

more white people are are killed by white cops than black people killed killed by white cops

1:27:33

but back to the point that you just said now legally this is because this is where the liberals are gonna they're gonna grasp on to that one thing you

1:27:39

just said you just said that more black people are killed by other black people by illegal firearms that

1:27:45

have been purchased legally at some point that's what you just said and that's

1:27:51

what the liberals are going to grab onto and say well if we can regulate the amount of legal firearms meaning if we

1:27:57

can stop it completely and have gun control and then completely take away your firearms then there is not going to

1:28:02

be an illegal firearm therefore later on to then be able to you know use against

1:28:08

another black person so what i started out by by saying at the beginning of this this episode

1:28:16

was that was that looking at public policy in in a in a simple or a strict risk

1:28:23

mitigation or risk control risk management perspective is is extremely useful right so risks

1:28:30

are composed of hazards and and every hazard has a uh it has a severity and and a likelihood

1:28:37

there and and and each hazard in in many cases hazards have multiple

1:28:45

mitigation measures that that are are can be presented as options

1:28:51

to to actually mitigate to to lower maybe this

1:28:56

the severity and or the likelihood of a particular hazard manifesting itself 100

1:29:02

so to say if we had less guns there would be less people killed by guns is a logical

1:29:08

reasonable and and um for lack of a better word feasible

1:29:14

option if if you are going to disregard the second amendment if you're going to disregard

1:29:21

the the opinions and desires of a vast majority of this country probably more than 50

1:29:27

who who believe that that gun ownership is is is vital not just because of the rationale for the creation of the second

1:29:33

amendment but but you know just as as as a freedom right look at australia australia outlawed you

1:29:40

know after their their port port st lucie or port st arthur remember the name they had a master in the 90s and uh

1:29:47

or mass shooting and and they outlawed they outlawed firearms and that's fine they have very few mass shootings and

1:29:54

and as far as i know very few uh uh homicides during the commission of

1:29:59

of crime but they are it's a different country and it's a different set of people there's like i said there's enough

1:30:05

people that would say they don't want that so what you just said the liberals would jump on it you're right the people that

1:30:12

would jump on it effectively are disregarding their their

1:30:18

the the wishes and desires of of their fellow countrymen and to them i would say they need to look for other

1:30:24

mitigating measures and there are other mitigating azures they just need to consider them

1:30:29

okay now you answered what i was going to say earlier but another point is if there were

1:30:36

if don't you think that if there were and this is just

1:30:41

you know i'm throwing some dust into the wind here if there were stricter gun control laws

1:30:48

but other people but people wanted still to kill other people don't you think

1:30:54

they would still find a way even if guns didn't exist plenty of people die in

1:30:59

japan australia the uk right other other westernized

1:31:04

but how give me examples on how people kill other people without guns [Music]

1:31:10

we're going to go down this rabbit hole people can be choked to death people can be punched to death people can be hit by cars people can be stabbed to death

1:31:16

people can be kicked in the head uh people can be people can use spoons right you can you

1:31:23

can use the kimura maneuver to kill people right

1:31:39

as an example i mean who knows you could you could uh shout out to errors he could probably you know puncture a blood

1:31:44

vessel with enough blood loss anyway sure

1:31:50

sure but it it's again this is this is a rabbit hole because the argument that that people will

1:31:56

always find a way to kill other people is is beside the point and it it um it

1:32:04

obfuscates sort of the the premise right the question is how do we stop people from dying with guns well we take away

1:32:10

the guns but won't still people die your question was how do we stop people from from dying from guns right so so don't

1:32:18

from guns right so that's that's the topic and again you know the the question sort of to put it plainly to get more

1:32:25

bang for your buck legislation in this country should be focused on the the illegal guns

1:32:33

causing homicide during the commission of of of other crimes right that should be

1:32:38

the focus the the number of mass shootings in this country sort of the sheer number and also the

1:32:44

the rate is low compared to the other types of shootings that that that occur

1:32:51

right and so if if you're going to to allocate any resources the resources should be allocated in in order of

1:32:59

of impact or or put another way in in order of of of mitigating effects

1:33:07

okay all right and with that ladies and gentlemen i think we're going to call it

1:33:12

a day here and i think we have plenty to talk about on our next episode of the podcast

1:33:19

i'd like to thank my co-host charlie i'd like to thank my co-host dominic

1:33:26

god bless america and god bless you and me that says it all folks