Wrack Your Brain Episode 2

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Episode 2 of what we intend to be a weekly series. This is a show about everything and nothing. Part politics, part satire, all bourbon. Join Dominick Leon and Charles Fuks as they muse about current events, social issues, and whatever surfaces from the depths of their minds. If you walk away thinking about something in a different way leave a comment, like, share, and subscribe. This episode is a mixed bag where we talk about Ukraine, Critical Race Theory, and Transgender Athletes.

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Background music is "Indie Folk (King Around Here)" by Alex Grohl

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Transcript

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ladies and gentlemen thank you for tuning in my name is dominic leon and i'm here with your other host charles

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fuchs and this is another episode of rack your brain and if you uh are curious as to what we were talking about

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earlier we were talking about ukraine now i have admittedly said um to begin with i do not know much

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about the topic i am actually not verse at all in anything ukraine

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politically involved i have no idea um have i heard things on the news have i heard anything

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remotely involving the ukraine sure but i mean i don't know enough to make an educated comment or even a question for

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that matter about what's going on that being said i was just sharing with charlie that i

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heard you know some news broadcast in europe they were speaking english but it wasn't the bbc

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or anything in england where they were saying you know it's uh i think people forget

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people across the atlantic meaning you know the canadians and the americans seem to forget that the ukraine has more

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allies than just us and they were saying the ukrainian uh the russian army has

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these allies and the lebanese were one and another country that's how so they can't remember

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and then they started counting down the ukrainian allies and it was at least 10 or 12 of them deep 10 or 12 countries

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that would come to their aid but of course as charlie was just saying there's different variables to these

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things and there's more to these uh situations that we don't know but there's even more of it that i don't

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know and he was about to say something about it and i'll let him do that right now and i won't interrupt because again

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i have no idea what the [ __ ] i'm talking about sure and uh i mean i i know barely more than than your average stuck

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about this as well obviously just what what people are saying in the news sweet tea

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selling sweet tea not made with lots of sugar and love uh so not that uh not that this this uh

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makes a difference to my knowledge but the current activity is ukraine but my family is is ukrainian he used to say

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say russian because that that's what people knew but i think people can identify ukraine now today on the map so

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no i think modern people now in 2022 know the difference between ukrainian georgian and you know azerbaijan which is like

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kind of you know hidden away you know they even know that difference between them not everybody's russian there's

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cultural differences but trying to continue but i'm sorry well my point is that you know 20 years ago

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close to the fall of the soviet union people people just associate everybody with with russia and

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the ussr and so saying russia was the default so and you know of course not that

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either of our military service makes a difference to the current knowledge maybe maybe we can talk about

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slightly some some of the thought process that might be going into this on the military side but

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uh so yeah so what you were saying about about ukraine having having potentially more allies than russia i i

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don't know i'd have to fact check that but um that that

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may not be the the deciding factor right so i i suspect that that even even if

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ukraine does have a longer list of allies that nobody wants to risk having their military in open conflict with the

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russian military right there are repercussions to that russia might declare war on them i mean there there are but isn't that the same risk the

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united states takes on

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sure but at this point nobody as far as i know at this point

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nobody other than the ukrainian military is positioned to have any sort of kinetic uh kinetic action or contact

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with with the russian military everybody else is east of ukraine and i i want to say borders poland possibly romania as

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well right and so i think ukraine ukraine's allies involve denmark norway

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um quite a few those were just some of them that i could remember i mean you could argue that that

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that ukraine is is strongly tied and is a strategic partner of all of the nato

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nations you can you can lump all of them yeah the question is what will the support look like what

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will the material support look like and and to your point what is the likelihood of any nato

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military having any any kinetic or physical interaction with the russian forces as far as the the news

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shows zero because we're sending them to uh the the the balkan country is right

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uh latvia estonia they're i think we're sending them to poland right so all of

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these all these guys from i remember if there's 82nd or 101st that are being

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being quote mobilized they're at least being sent overseas they're not being sent to

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ukraine and even even the biden administration no but that's typical of any deployment

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if in a war time you're not going to be deployed directly to the you know you know yes 100 but but but there's there's

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nothing that's being said on the news that with regards to to the u.s military uh

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uh getting into any contact with the russian forces even if they do invade and even if they if if it's if it's the

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type of invasion where they are trying to to uh depose that the ukrainian government and if they're trying to

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control the other country the the closest that u.s forces in ukraine then russian forces will get to

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one another is the border of ukraine and poland or the border of ukraine and romaine right right

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i mean and that is a question whether or not the the administration whether or not you know congress i think it would

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be more likely romania than in poland because i know but poland seems to be in a more

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they're in a position of trying to avoid conflict with everybody like let's just kind of stay out of everybody's way

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because economically poland is kicking serious ass and i don't think that they are interested in any kind of a

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military conflict with anybody they are in their own bubble and they seem to be

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rocking and rolling and i don't think that this is in their best interest to even participate in even as a neutral party i

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think if anybody would host the united states military as far as intervening in any sense of the word

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meeting at a border it would be romania that's just my opinion because it just it makes more sense for poland to not do

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that so i mean maybe but we we do have we do have personnel in in poland of course and to

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you and to your point earlier there's variables that i probably just don't know that's just my personal opinion but

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there could be so many other deciding factors that it said no poland is the place to do it and that's where they do it i mean the other thing that that that

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i'm curious about we can we can pull out our phones now is whether or not uh whether or not poland is an

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international member we're going to let the listeners and the viewers out there on youtube land we're gonna let you guys fact check us and we're gonna let you

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guys make comments and you can only comment if you like and subscribe but only you guys can fact check us and pull

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your phones out do all the research for us and let us know in the comments if we make mistakes and i'm sure he will we

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want you to comment below thank you for that for that absolutely the sweet tea is delicious it is it is

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excellent cheers has a has a little bit of a bite as well yeah it tastes like it was kind of kept in a barrel somewhere

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all right so i mean is that it is that it on your crane episode 2 week of

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february what is this 20th i don't know what today's date is today's february 23rd

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2022 that's right so is that all we have to say about ukraine no let's let's touch on something that

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maybe some of the listeners listeners and viewers don't understand but we mentioned before

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there's a lot of people who don't understand how the military works so let's just let's i'm going to touch base back on something that we just kind of

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like blew over really quick if there is a war anywhere if the united states isn't involved in a war

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i don't know in japan we're not going to because they're an ally but if we're at war with japan we

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don't fly directly into japan for the war we're going to fly to the nearest base of one of the allies who is in closex

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proximity in this case we probably fly into the philippines or somewhere in that area no one is going to go directly into the

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ukraine i'm sorry south korea maybe south korea yeah i mean you know whatever the

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closest proximity is to the to wherever the conflict is but if the club if the conflict is in ukraine or the borders of

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ukraine and russia there's no way they're going to send it's just not in the protocol it's not in the the how it operates

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and it's directly in there unless the the area of deployment is is separated

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enough from the action for example we went into iraq and afghanistan but the places where people were actually

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in conflict were generally separated enough from these other places where you would you know

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you went to leatherneck or you went to victory wherever you were you didn't just go directly there you went in

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stages to get to your point until you know getting to your to your goal reaching your point you know

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that's what i just wanted people to understand you're not if there's a war you don't fly directly into the war well

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okay so there's there's there's nuance and that's not always true either right so if

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if we were in a position we plus plus our nato valley that's right if we were in a position

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where where we were committing to to defend ukraine at all costs given that

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ukraine still has sovereignty over itself of course we would probably go there right there's no reason well i'm not saying in poland i'm not saying we

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would not go to ukraine what i'm saying is if let's say north carolina and south

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carolina are at war we're not going to be flown into right next to the border of both of them we'd

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be flown into somewhere either midway at a at a general distance to where we

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can set up fobs that are safe in safe zones and then we go over to these conflicts we would fly into north

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carolina if we're not already there but we're not going to fly directly into the area of conflict let's say let's say

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the the the conflict area is just on the border of south carolina north carolina they're not going to fly right there

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they'll fly us within a certain range of safety and then we set up fobs where

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those that safety can be maintained and then from there we move towards the war but we're not going to fly that's what

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i'm trying to say we're not going to fly directly towards the border of russia and ukraine we can't really be born 100

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but again we can go to ukraine but we're not going to fly directly there we'll fly a little bit kind of a way and

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that's where we'll set up and it depends on the logistics now if if for whatever reason for

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whatever reason the decision is made that that the u.s military would only would only

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uh move into let's say defensive positions uh if if uh if russia invades or if russia

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passes a particular portion right if if they say okay well you know though we expect them to go

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into into the donbass region right the two the two uh

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regions that were not annexed but declared as independent by putin um

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see but now you're getting into the geography of it and again this is the uh piece of the realm where i'm completely

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unfair i don't know the geography of ukraine i know i could point you where ukraine is on a map but where the

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geography stands as far would you just mention no idea where that is you know next time we should have a white board right right between us right in the

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space and i could just kind of just have a green screen with the ukraine right behind us right here the weather not only is it

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raining but this is also the area where they want to invest yes as we as we improve

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on the record brain podcast editing maybe we'll we'll go with uh that is right but

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in any case i mean let's you can't really see it right but you know let's just take my my hand as as ukraine right

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that's west that's kind of small from this perspective from it's just uh the perspective so uh that's west that sees

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that's north that's that's south right so russia is here paul is here and i think romania is here all right so

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there's there's a region uh with two i don't know what they they call them

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let's call them states um actually i think the word in in russian android ukrainian is horbalist

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yeah out like providence it's like a problem let's just call it from this right so uh so there's there's two provinces in

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what's known as the donbass region that border border russia right here and directly to the north is belarus

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uh there's there's two uh there's two provinces uh it's no together they're known as the

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dumbass region and and as you know putin just declared not declared but he he supposedly recognized their independence

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uh from from ukraine i don't know if you've heard this so he's gonna use that independence of his own advances 100

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so what was it two years something i didn't know two days ago putin came out and this was a major deal he declared

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those two regions are now the the republic of whatever and the republic of whatever and those two republics have

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asked for our assistance in their conflict against ukraine like

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that's what he did that is insane that's crazy right so uh as that's pretty much

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just telling ukrainians to go against ukrainians well wow the thing is they've

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already been doing that this right but what i'm saying is even though they've already declared their independence they're still ukrainian

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and you're asking their own people someone well this these are also two provinces that have had uh uh supposedly

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ukrainian separatists fighting against ukraine for the last to reconnect with

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russia supposedly just over establish their own sovereignty i don't know i don't know at a minimum

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to leave ukraine i don't know if they want their own independence from so they're kind of like the quebec of canada quebec wants to separate itself

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from the rest of the provinces in canada to become its own thing that's been going on for years sure except they're not fighting and they're not they're not

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uh other thing that's that's been talked about on the news for years is that these aren't really ukrainian

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separatists that these are actually russian military and civilian clothes fighting fighting the ukraine what do

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they call them insurrectionists uh it wouldn't that wouldn't be close what are they called bad actors or yeah

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um not like a non-state actor or a uh the term false flag operation has been

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called it's kind of like so it's still a throwback to like the 1950s double agent spy kind of thing where it's like you

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speak the language you look like then go in and just start some [ __ ] yeah basically on our behalf yeah as a matter

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of fact i'm almost positive there was a a russian like private who posted i

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think it was on facebook actually this was this was when they first went into into the dumbass region he was like hey

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guys how's it going i'm here in donbass and like very quickly

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very quickly uh that that page was was to either that profiler page or something was was taken

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down like he was basically telling the world what what russia was doing he wasn't like hey

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from russia he was like hey from donbass so he's not very bright they probably unlocked

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him very fast probably yeah they're probably jeffrey epstein did him real quick that's right well jeffrey epstein didn't come stuff

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he did not well i wasn't there to confirm that but you know when the cameras stopped working and the guards

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go to sleep yeah some fish is going on i don't know and that just brings me to another

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thought really quick you know i wanted to make sure i know right when i think i wanted to make sure people understand one thing

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because i probably will and i have gotten this question before um when i just and i just thought of it

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when i was speaking about like you know double agents or spies and you look like them you speak the language i'm not

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arabic i may you may think i all am anybody watching this video not that there's anything wrong with looking arabic but i'm not sicilian in puerto

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rico let's get that out in the air real quick all right u.s citizen though u.s citizen born in

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brooklyn new york all right so i don't want to hear any [ __ ] that what is that it's that was yours

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show that this conflict has nothing to do with the middle east but this man did not want to be

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associated i don't want to be thought of as like are you doing a podcast with an isis member who's that guy next to you

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that doesn't know when to shut up that do you mean

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yeah well is that it on ukraine is that all we have to say i think that's it i think that if if anybody wants to fact

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might even smell funny buddy he does what other societal problems are are we going to solve today what else is going

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on so here's something interesting i was listening to and this actually might go back and

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touch on maybe some of the things we were talking about it could be in episode one

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maybe we touched on it once or twice not i can't remember but um i know most of the topics for

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episode one were guns but this one was they were talking about and when i say

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they i mean a lot of people in social media and i was listening to it and it wasn't pro-black pro-white it wasn't

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democrat or republican but a lot of people

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that one kind of thing um no but it when reality was just about you know there's black lives matter

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there's old lives matter everybody kind of wants to you know pick their side and get the little tribe going but there's

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one particular group of people who are who are saying you know we're all human beings and you know everybody knows the

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george floyd name as they should but there are a i can't even they were trying to say

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that there's just not there's too many cases to count on a countrywide level where

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you know white people are being uh killed by police in similar or if not worse fashion than

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george floyd ever was and you'll never know their names because it just doesn't fit the

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narrative and i don't know if we really want to touch on this or if we want to dedicate an entire episode to it but we

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i can say that i addressed it in in episode one where where i said that then i almost positive i said this

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because i i thought about this a lot that the solutions for

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for un unjustified police shootings right and and

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unjustified meaning after the fact uh that that the the facts revealed that that the officer wasn't actually in

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danger right it was a kid with a toy or a woman of the cell phone or something right so

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the solution to unjustified police police killings is is and police brutality and police

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brutality is agnostic of race the solutions will help everybody that is is impacted

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by this and so the solutions include you know requiring uh additional additional time to confirm positive identification

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or at a bare minimum putting some sort of verbiage and police procedure

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uh to to uh mandate that they are absolutely sure that an individual is a

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threat before firing on them right so so yeah i'm pretty sure i mentioned that last time but i i think

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you're right it is too close to to episode one's topic so yeah yeah one thing i just want to make one thing i

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want to make clear and then we can move on maybe we can make an entire episode of just that topic to continue however

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on what you're saying and i just want to make sure i i reiterate this

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because i had this thought while i when i listened to this today and i was thinking about it i kept you know bringing myself back to my time in

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afghanistan my time in iraq and how we you know were doing what we were doing when we would breach

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we wouldn't always breach you don't always blow up the doors and all like the nice you know these cool things and cool blow

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you know explosions you see on tv it's not always like that sometimes you go into these villages and you actually

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speak very very peacefully with the people there and then it dawned on me

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some i don't ever remember us going into any village holding our weapon

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we had our weapon but not in a threatening way in other words it's like when you think

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of a soldier the weapon is always in a kind of as placement as where you expect it to be but it's not we're never just

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kind of going in there and our voices we were always told go in there with your interpreters and you keep your voices

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low speak close be clear in a very comment to your interpreter let them you know him or her because we

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did have females let them you know relay the messages we didn't have a lot of females because it's

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something in the middle east with females that just they don't really want to talk to them whatever but sometimes we did it's just

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you know the nature of what it was um but convey all our information to

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them and then they would speak to the the people in the village unless there was somebody who spoke english in the

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village which where we were encouraged to speak to them because it made the people in the village feel

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a little bit at ease like all right well they're not here to you know hurt us like just want to talk like let them

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let's just you know get the conversation done and out of the way and let them be on their way and we were always told nobody yelled

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nobody raised your voice everybody just kind of speak in a very controlled fashion and

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become you know and nobody try to stare at it don't make over eye contact and look

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intimidating just do your job and be calm and quiet be observant of the surroundings more or

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less but don't try to intimidate anybody then it brings me to the thought of well

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how do police approach people that could be in their heads a suspect or they just maybe pulled them

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over for speeding or whatever it is that they want to pull somebody over for

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and how many times let's say out of 10 does an officer approach somebody in a

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kind of not aggressive way but you have no idea what their intentions are

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so wouldn't a person if you don't know what a person's intentions are if you're on the street or

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let's say you're not breaking the law you're not doing a lot of cops and that and this is you know obviously we're basing this up off

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of off the videos though they were also basing it on my thought and my kind of thought process right but but i i do

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want to point out that you know the question is what percentage of police interactions are actually captured on film and

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which ones are more likely to be because that is a variable that made that matter but a lot of but do you think there's a

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lot of officers that approach people no i was going to say they kind of relatively least

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not i wouldn't call it aggressive or intimidating right i would call it adversarial yeah right okay that's a better word yeah

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it's it's no secret that that many many police officers especially i mean you know i i've known

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cops over the years right it's no secret that that after a couple of years of working as a police officer you kind of

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start to see everybody as i i don't know as somebody who who uh

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who you should be wary of right because these are you know uniformed officers on the streets right especially if they're

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in a bad neighborhood well it's not just about neighborhood even if you're in a good neighborhood and you see a police officer your first question is why are

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they here did something happen are you looking for somebody oh my god is something wrong 100 but that that is

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part of their job right their job is to look for people breaking the wall but my point is

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you would definitely not see as many police in a good neighborhood as you would in a bad neighborhood yeah

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that's true so when you see them in a good neighborhood you immediately get like oh my god what's going on is everything okay well i mean any anybody

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who has any sense unless unless they are themselves calling the police for for

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something that happened to them or that they witnessed right anybody that has any sense shouldn't should have at least

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a little bit of wariness of of seeing a police officer because

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they could they could easily themselves be accused of breaking the law that they didn't even know that they

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existed right but you're also assuming that people have sense and this is 2022 and the age

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of social media and we can clearly see in a lot of videos that people somehow have lost

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the ability to maintain since people right now are

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going crazy at the drop of a hat over significant and greatly insignificant

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things and it's just hard to decipher why people are behaving the way they're behaving

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is it mob mentality is it instinctual or is it just for the urge to matter in

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some weird realm well speaking of common sense i think is very much lacking in city society no

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that's 100 sure uh and and the ability the ability to sort through

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the the practically infinite information that is available on the internet i think the ability to

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discern misinformation from good information uh but speaking of things that are are not controversial at all

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uh what are your thoughts on critical race theory oh no that's gotta go

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and that's gotta go it's gonna go please elaborate

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my my opinions may vary i know my opinions people might not agree with them

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morgan freeman said that you know frank right now let's let's take this for example we're in february black history

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month you want to relegate black history to one month when black history is american history

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i get that we cannot hide history which other groups have tried to do they tried

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to suppress you know black history and suppress uh the success of many

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different black people in the in the country and then the history of the united states however

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if you do your own research you'll find out that black history goes way it even goes deeper than the constitution you just

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have to do research i'm not going to get into the details the ins and outs of that okay so so some people would say that

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what you've just said is critical research at least a part of it is critical no no no

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let me let me explain myself what i'm saying is i'm not saying critical race theory because if you look at the fundamental essence of critical race

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theory it's basically let's just we cannot separate the good and the bad

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from history slavery is a bad part of history but it's part of our history if people forgot for if people forget that

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slavery ever happened we're doomed to repeat it people like to or have the idea that they would love to

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erase history just because they want to turn you know tear down some statues but it's not going to happen people will always remember that slavery

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was a thing if you try to make people forget that slavery ever happened slavery will

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happen again because but guess what though is critical all right well then you know what maybe

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critical race theory is not going in the right direction you want to make people forget that slavery happens so you're

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doomed to repeat history um and yet we have people uh i'm listen i'm not gonna make

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accusations whether they're democrat or republican but now we're gonna go back to segregation in

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schools with black only lunches white only lunches black only graduations white only questions what the [ __ ] does

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that as no we if you do that you're going against everything that people like malcolm x

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and dr martin luther king ever fought for and died for you if you accomplish that their entire lives become

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irrelevant you we can as a society we can't let that happen what i mean by critical race theory is we can't just

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single out a historical happening just by race people are americans how they got here

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is there is it's not irrelevant don't get me wrong it's not irrelevant but if we focus on that

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then we have to focus on all of it if if we implement critical race theory just for you know blacks and hispanics then why

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are we not doing it and a more a stronger sense for for everybody some people would say that

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that whites have power in in our society and minorities don't that's wonderful you

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can have that opinion and i would say if you want to teach critical race theory then you have to give equal power to both

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and if you think one has more than the other then give the other one more power the blacks and the hispanics have more

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power in the critical race theory realm than give them even more to equal the whites either way critical race theories

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i understand that but how in 2022 does that make sense

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we just need to stop the [ __ ] put it all together their history is our history my history

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is american history it doesn't matter calling a critical race theory just divides it divides it just to make it

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special so here's what i'm not special because i'm sicilian and puerto rican he's not special because he's jewish and

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ukrainian we're just people here okay

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here's what i'll say on critical race there i think am i wrong people fact check me please

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like and subscribe tell me how i'm wrong so i don't think we've mentioned this yet but like and subscribe now uh here's

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here's what i'll say and share um income

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too many people probably probably equally um on the left and the

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right but more so more so on the right more so on the conservative side don't know and i i think you you you just

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demonstrated that don't know what critical race theory is then yeah please um well so i was going to say i i

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actually don't know myself and i i asked i asked a a friend of mine who's a public school teacher uh in in new york

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to uh to actually to recommend some some books on that so so i could i know you

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asked but go ahead so so i could i could you know exactly what

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um so uh hi by the way if you're watching she's not watching okay i still like you he's still my friend so

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uh why because i i wanna i wanna educate myself of myself on it now here's here

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are the aspects that that people jump on and i i think i think rightfully so

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assuming these are these are actually parts of critical race theory and not uh interpretations or or applications in in

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education okay one is one is what would be summarized by the term

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white guilt right so so there there are supposedly right is is such a a a

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[ __ ] thing so well as i have puerto rican i don't know if you'd be considerable

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so um definitely this is so inside now uh the

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there's some funny because sicilians wouldn't even be considered white very long time yeah so

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uh there there's as far as i know there are some education curricula that that

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don't necessarily want to instill white guilt but they they they point out

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the the role that white people had in in the hundreds of years of slavery

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with in such a way that results intentionally or not in white students

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in classrooms feeling feeling

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negative emotions to such an extent as if they themselves were the ones that

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perpetuated those hundreds which is absolutely preposterous because what people did in the 14 and 1500s what the

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hell does it have to do with us nothing okay so so but the the counter

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argument is that there are still uh uh statistical

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the only people perpetuating slavery as a is something to to make people feel

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guilty about are those people who want some kind of a privilege or a special kind of a relationship with the the

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state on some level to get whatever it is what is their end game to make

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or any other white people feel guilty about things we did not do just because our ancestors may or may not have done

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anything has nothing to do with me every listen and for the record there is historical evidence that there were a

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lot of black people in africa that were just as much slave traders than everybody else that was training slaves

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and from the dutch and from the spanish or from the english there was african people selling their own people to the p

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to to the people picking them up on the boats to have them sent to other countries but you never hear about them because it doesn't fit your narrative

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please like subscribe while you're liking and subscribing and

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commenting and sharing we're going real hard on that okay we've

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episode two uh episode one i don't even think we said it we're we're making up for episode one you have to forgive us

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and i'll turn it down on episode three from sorry about that that's right we're just covering i think i'm just passionate about what we're talking about and i'm getting into the moment

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well he's passionate we definitely want to get our our message whatever that is out there so

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uh here's a question i would ask right based on what you just said

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should east present-day east african countries should they pay reparations

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to the children of of any african

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you know the descendants of of any african west people well i i i was i was going to say west african

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but i don't know if east africans were picking up other east africans and then taking them to the west coast and sending them or if east africans were

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taking west africans or vice versa no for the most part slaves were made up of west african countries uh the farthest

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they would go would be the congo but they were primarily from places like senegal mali

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so so one group forget east west so some groups of of and and i mean there were

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there have been what thousands of different ethnic groups and and tribes in um in africa it's a very

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big big thousands thousands yeah right so so some groups were taking other groups and and selling them to to the

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whites okay so but my question stands should the descendants of the groups that were capturing other africans today

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should they pay some sort of reparation no funneled to the united states

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to to um you know to the descendants of absolutely absolutely not okay because what do they

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have to do with it okay their ancestors did that but they have no they were their own human beings

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doing collectively what they were doing but as individuals in today's society

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i have no responsibility nor guilt about what any of my ancestors did back in the day because it has not it didn't affect

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me fair enough and i know it affected people back then but it has nothing to do with me

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whatever they did all right let's say for example let's say any of my descendants be it you know from the

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spanish or the sicilian side let's say they had anything to do with it and they became very wealthy did i ever

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see a penny of that wealth no so i never and my mother didn't i

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know my parents did my father did my grandparents did none of my closer generations of family members

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ever benefited from anything that i can ever think of that anybody in the times that that was happening could even speak

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of right now the fact that your family wasn't even even here exactly

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but at the same time let's say there's a lot especially in the south there's a lot of

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of generational families families that have been here you know for 100 200 years i mean

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they've settled here and you know i'm talking about like from the appalachians going coming east like towards the

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atlantic there's a lot of families that have been here at least 100 years or more

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and let's say let's say the neighbor your great great

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great grandfather had sex with the neighbor and

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they and he had about 17 kids with the neighbor's wife

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and never claimed them is that your fault

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is it your problem so not just yes or no is it your problem

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no and what i mean is let's say you were from a very wealthy family not you but your great-great-grandfather a

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great-great-great-grandfather was from a wealthy party he was he was the wealthy man of that family

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and now all of a sudden 2022 somebody says hey your great great great grandfather is my great great great

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grandfather because he did this to my mom he raped her and i want some reparations like well then good luck because we're both poor all his wealth

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never trickled down what do you want me to do but i can give you some recipes

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my argument is nobody is responsible for what anybody can hear and and

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argument okay there's there's multiple pieces to it so so one

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uh disputes or or the examples that you just gave are

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they're not societal right they're they're in individual fuel right maybe maybe it's some kind of issue between

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families but it's it's not um it's it's not

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it doesn't involve multiple levels of of organizations

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uh and and interactions between different facets of society right the word that that i'm trying to avoid

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saying is it's not systemic it's not part of a a system right so i haven't

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certain questions so there were institutions and systems that that all contributed to the hundred

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years of slavery between the transatlantic slave trade and and and the the the the legal status of black people in

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this country built into the constitution right so that's fine i understand

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so those those institutions were uh

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they have a direct link to and and or in many cases

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not just part of but a result of the us government right so so put simply

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the us the federal government hold on hold on just more slavery was around remember this the civil war was still

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there we have we're not even in the it wasn't the 50 states you can't say that part of the civil war

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which many slaves sure so starting from 17 you've got to fix that sure okay so starting from the page here fine how far

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can we go back 1781 articles of configuration how about 1789 us constitution right okay 1776. 76 is

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before this is when when we uh started the war with uh the form of independence but uh didn't win the war until late one

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the constitution the constitution didn't exist until it did not exist but we still believe we had the articles of

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confederation which is what they had in the south well it was it was the government right and the federal government and the

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federal government of all the states all 13 states at the time 13 colonies no 31

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states yet you're okay dominic 1781 we win the war against england

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yes i understand what you're saying now please continue okay just for for

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the listeners that that don't know in 1781 we won we won the war of

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independence against england the 13 colonies got together and they said hey we need a government of the 13

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colonies right okay we're no longer colonies but that's not

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where our independence is so now that's right they got together and they said we need a government of these of these now 13

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united states and what they came up with was this document or sets of documents known as the articles of confederation

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that was the government of the federal government of the united states from 1781 to 1789.

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the 13 states for those eight years were like ah this isn't working we need something to replace it you also do some

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research and see who with the who is in charge or who was considered the president of those articles during the times of

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articles of confederation before the constitution that a located president there was a president so wait one time no there was eight of

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them just eight consecutive okay before the the actual constitution of the united states was ratified so okay

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so let's just let's just go back to 1789. my point my point we're talking you know we're talking about slavery against institutions right is that the

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government of the united states let's just say the one that was started in 1789 was complicit

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in the in the uh the the the status and the

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the state and the condition that's the word i'm looking for was complicit and an enabler of the condition of black

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people in this country from 1789 technically until today okay right but

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let's just say through through the civil rights era through the end of jim crow jim crow and all that right so 1789 to

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1970 i don't know 1975 which is called jim crow was the more more of

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a southern where did jim crow start that's a good question it started in the north you know why tell me because

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prior to the end of the civil war there were there were free blacks in in the northern states

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but the whites in the in the northern states didn't want to integrate with them they didn't want to be in the same field

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they wanted segregation and suffering that also goes into the red line areas for like housing

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and that was many many years later right but the the point is is that the concept of jim crow really started

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in the north with free blacks prior to the civil war and then after the end of the civil war the southern states were

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like well let's just copy with these guys what the northern guys are doing except we'll keep them separate right and we'll you know have these laws that

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make them lower class all that to reiterate that the federal government of the united states which

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exists today the federal government is the federal government yeah the people have have changed right obviously the

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same people today aren't and laws have changed things have changed along the way but the organization known as the

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united states federal government was complicit for hundreds for let's say a hundred years right

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through the civil war uh complicit in slavery and enabled slavery and then

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it enabled the most complicit in the state of the blacks given that we could just round out the

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argument right given that there is a strong argument to

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be made that the federal government has a responsibility today

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not just to kind of make up and atone for for their complicitness

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and enablement but to somehow even out for lack of a better word

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the condition between between black people have today even out with with what what

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on average the the the whites out quick question

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who brought people from africa here mostly europeans

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right and let but let's be a little bit more well although i don't know toward the end of that it might have been it might have been american colonists

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there was no record of ever ever ever being an american ship or american colonists ever bringing slaves because

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that trade believe you can fact check it that trade was owned and operated

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beginning with the english and then taken over by the dutch because the dutch had way better even the english

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the english had a wider everybody knows that they had a wider net cast globally around all these different countries and

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their navy was second to none but the dutch had a system where they they could

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i don't exactly know the the the nautical terms of all these things but

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they could do it in a such a streamlined way which is it's part of why they had the conflict

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in new york over they wanted to that's why the colors of new york are dutch colors at the orange because they bought

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it from the english and it was the whole thing yeah but bought it from the doc yeah yeah but i

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mean you have places called harlem in the bronx which those places are dutch cities that they just renamed back

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you know in um in new york but um if you if you look into the history the

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dutch were the ones who streamlined portuguese were cyber involved but not to not they were more involved on

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the northern side like northern north of new york and massachusetts that's why you have a lot of portuguese

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i say communities because those communities portuguese communities they go by they go back a lot a long way

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but the dutch streamlined the importation of the slaves into america

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um in particular in the south because the europeans had a stronghold in the south

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and that us all comes from the north had the what do you call it the industrial age or whatever where they had more

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factories and more machinery that wasn't until i mean i know but this is predating that what i'm saying is

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the south had all farmlands cotton corn whatever it is they were farming it

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wasn't big industry like in the north it was only developed later like right but what i'm saying is it but it maintained

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that it was stayed that way for a very long time the north was changing the south always kind of kept their crops

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the way they were keeping them and that was that so it was in the slave traders best interest to

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let's say let's just bring them to the south because that's where the demand was their demand is there and we're

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gonna get um people because again history says that the south was always because again

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the confederates they were more sympathetic to the the british they didn't you say confederates you're

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talking about people of the southern states

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my position here but what i'm saying is there are a lot more european descendants here in the south and people

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who were close have closer ties to europe especially in england in particular you know you no you can fact check that

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well again you can doubt today hold on today everybody finish don't interrupt you can fact check that

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that's right right now from the time of slavery till right even to this day

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families are they are descended from european families and they have been ever since they started colonizing the

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southern part of the united what is now called the united states these families that are from england

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that came here you can fact check this have been here since they got here and have continued so i will i'll and they

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can trace their rules and predict there is a i'll say a society that lives right by the outer banks that can trace their

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roots directly to england all of them cool kind of irrelevant but let me let

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me address that specifically no it's if it's true you're selling you're selling slaves for people who are

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sympathetic to the slave providers because that's a culture that they were

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also the demand but they never oh my point is this

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my point is this you are a slave trader wouldn't it be advantageous to sell a

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slave to somebody who doesn't mind that i'm selling human beings i mean i'm selling you a slave in your system

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here's what i'm doing regardless right they would sell to anybody but if

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they could sell to people who didn't care that you're selling them and the demand was there that they needed you

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your first instinct is to go to the person who is not gonna okay

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you have two people you're a cocaine dealer you've got a drug addict on one end and

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someone who you have no idea who the hell they are who are you gonna go try to sell drugs to

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the obvious drug addict it's a different analogy between let's

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say that the people who are sympathetic to the needs of slaves and sympathetic to the slave providers

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who are not going to judge and try to condemn them for doing such a thing the slave providers are then going to be

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more wanting to sell to them because of course they already know that the need for slaves is there plus these people

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are cool with what we're doing so they don't care right so the the analogy which is why how many slaves were sold in the north

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because they didn't need them they did the industry [Music]

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how come the south end gets a bad rap in the north does not if the north was also binding because of the the i mean that's

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an easy answer because of just how much longer the southern states uh propagated

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if that's the word the the the name for the instant well they need it yeah right i mean

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at one point the northern states outlawed it the sun states it was legal until they lost until they literally

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fought a war the whole thing was chasing the slaves up north and you know yeah yeah so okay but there needs to be some

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serious fact-checking and i think in everything we're saying particularly in particular me in particular so but let

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me i'll say this on the on the historical tracing of families right so and i i am curious to check whether or

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not there is more of a preponderance of of uh southern white families

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being like well not just that have ties to england but if there's a higher percentage of

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southern white families we just look at the appalachian trail all the scottish irish so all those people are

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descendants okay so so i i am curious to find out

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whether or not uh there's a um whether or not there's a greater percentage of

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of the white population in the southern states that

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that have their dis or descendants of english than than a percentage of the northern

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states if that is true and it very well might be my suspicion is that that is because

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of the the german italian jewish eastern european immigration wave

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that happened at the end of the 1800s

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not in the south but you are correct but listen listen to listen to the statistic

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the question is is it is is there a bigger percentage of whites who are english descendants of

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the south or the north so of all the whites in the north yeah many of which are german east eastern

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european versus versus less of i think you're missing i think you're missing my point

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you've totally missed my point with your analogy my point is a statistic question but that statistic

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misses the point of what i said i don't give a [ __ ] how many of these people from the north of the south have descended from germans or whatever what

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i said was in the south during the times when slaves were being brought they were

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being sold to families who have this direct descendancy directly from families in europe we also

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said today that's that's what i'm doing because those families are still here their children's children are

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still in the north it's just a smaller percentage because of the germans but you're missing my point because you

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keep interrupting me those families that were descended from the europeans that were buying slaves

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did not care whether they were buying slaves from whoever because they were sympathetic to the cause because

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remember the slave trade was dominated by the dutch the english and the portuguese the dutch streamlined it so

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again if you are english and you don't want and your descendants are in england

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but now you're in the southern states or they're not even states at the time you don't care about all this all this

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nonsense number one because geographically you're in an area where you can't afford to care because then

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you would be ostracized but at the same time the need is here because of the agriculture you're bringing up a point

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about like all these descendants from german up in new york and all this that's not my point there were more

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all right so my point is this what your your argument is saying because a new york

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german is a descendant from germany you have to stop interrupting me and

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then let's get to it what you're saying to counter my point is if a german that lives in new york is

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a descendant from a german from world war ii was a nazi and meets a jew does that you then have the right to say your

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great great great grandfather did this to me you have to pay me reparations what [ __ ] sense was that made what

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does that make sense that's but that's not my argument but but exactly but you're saying that that has a relevancy

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as far as ascendancy what i'm all i'm saying is the people that were buying slaves

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when they were in the south listen to it carefully the families yes that colonize the south

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a lot of them are directly descended from england same percentages in the

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north case close at the time now it's completely different but at the time if the viewers

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and the listeners understand my point comment below please yes please but

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let's pick a year let's let's be specific six in 1650 transatlantic slave church is there anything else we can talk about

55:19

that's relevant for today well critical race there is is very no but i mean i mean dude we have all night

55:25

let's just keep going well no because let's not stick on one side but

55:30

i think what we should do is we should touch on each of these individual topics just enough to let the viewers and the

55:36

listeners comment and then maybe we can come back in another episode and touch base on

55:41

that for now i think we should move on fair but then there there i think there's going to be feedback and there's

55:47

already already has been that episode one was a little bit too long so i think we're going to be targeting an hour

55:53

an hour or less so i don't really care if one person thought we were too long or if 20 people thought i felt i felt

56:00

our conversations are going to be oh our conversation should go in as long as we need to and until we get

56:07

to a point where we're never going to agree and then episode three will come back again we're we're not

56:13

schmogen so we can't have three hour long episodes i'm i'm gonna cut it off at an at an hour of con of content not

56:21

not raw not raw footage so we can we can go for another period of time but okay so so far today we've talked about the

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the ever ever grown ever growing serious uh in ukraine

56:33

critical race theory which uh is is has taken a back seat to to

56:38

ukraine but there there has been talk uh a lot of talk about it and i want to reiterate i am i know very little of the

56:45

critical race theory situation so please if i'm wrong please tell me i'm open to being as wrong as i possibly can because

56:52

i love to be educated i'm okay with being wrong incidentally if anything we've we've

56:57

said has um has caused you to to feel a particular way

57:02

whether negative or positive we we uh we welcome the feedback but especially if

57:08

if it's negative i think dominic and i would both appreciate a a little bit of of hate uh

57:15

in in the comment section i don't i don't i listen if you love us that's great if i hurt your feelings i

57:20

don't know go pitch your dog or something i don't know ask your mom to make you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for all that care i you know

57:27

there's a uh there's a very helpful exercise in the military where you can actually arrange arrange little pebbles

57:34

into onto military formations and uh that that's very soothing i'll

57:39

write you an i love you letter and send it to yourself if you're not

57:44

desperate all right so what what else is going on in society that we need to solve first

57:50

society society what else is going on i don't know what have you got what have you what have you heard abortion

57:56

oh no i just got a rash i'm sorry let me

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rephrase women's reproductive rights i've um transgender issues

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lb lgbtq plus issues and we probably even said that wrong

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because every day they add another letter to the alphabet i have no idea um

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well all right let's touch on the whole trans and sports thing how about that all right i'll go first i'm against it

58:33

okay that's it how is a guy who is ranked 400 and whatever as a swimmer

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male is now ranked number one as a pseudo female

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yeah look it up okay so that might be true so here's here's what here's

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what actually i'll get you the name let's break out the phone well okay so in in the majority of

58:59

scenarios where somebody who no you said no phone he said no phone he said no phone he's

59:05

breaking his old rule you got to put that down we'll just get it just you know i i nope not listening not

59:11

listening no phones it's just to get this trans swimmer's name i want to make sure that i do not swear

59:26

no but they are they're transgender yeah but they're just a swimmer who always happens to be transgender what happens to be trans okay uh so

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okay so the the overwhelming number of scenarios

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where somebody who has transitioned leah thomas leah thomas was ranked

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hold on i will say this in two seconds

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my two seconds are up i know it was ranked in the high four hundreds as a male swimmer

1:00:00

transgen transition to be a woman and is now ranked number one

1:00:08

leah thomas you pen look at that 22 year old so say this again the the overwhelming

1:00:15

number of scenarios where somebody who has transitioned from one gender to another

1:00:22

and decides to play some sort of competitive sport

1:00:28

are are inconsequential or inconsequential full stop

1:00:33

right but just just think about the number of potential scenarios right somebody

1:00:39

somebody transitions and they want to play on an intramural team who gives up can curse on youtube i don't know who

1:00:45

gives a [ __ ] okay i will tell you who gives a [ __ ] it who should give a [ __ ]

1:00:50

are the biological females who have competed their entire life looking for a scholarship listen just listen okay

1:00:55

listen to us i'm talking about the overwhelming number of scenarios an intramural team

1:01:00

like just like anything that that doesn't have money associated with it which is the

1:01:06

majority of times right somebody playing on even somebody playing on a college team right is is maybe they're getting a

1:01:12

scholarship but they most of those people don't necessarily want to make a professional career out

1:01:19

of something right but forget the scholarships for a moment just in society the number of situations

1:01:25

where a a somebody who's transitioned is going to be playing sports on on now on

1:01:31

a on a a team well first in a sport where they

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segregate by gender because they're sports where they don't uh and and two wait which sport do they not segregate

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by gender uh oh my god why can't olympic curling is segregated

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by gender well no i was gonna say uh uh oh my god what is it ultimate frisbee i

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think ultimate frisbee is but or maybe not maybe maybe at the college or or

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you know xx games level i don't actually don't don't know but like again i'm talking about games segregated but again

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i'm talking about the of in society on any given day how many people are

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playing sports golf is segregated by gender you're missing a point please a professional level sure

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but of all the people all of us golf is segregated by gender and on all of us so you can't go to a golf course

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with a woman you can but but her tea is a lot shorter than yours that's a fact i don't know what a tea is

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when you tee off meaning you hit you have your drive yeah and you t you're shorter you won't play so you can't go

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to your green is farther away than hers that's a fact play golf you'll see

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see matter of fact they even put her tea in pink colors in yours you're in these so you can't go to

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a course and play in the same like from a place where you hit the ball

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to the oh no yeah to the hole what does that call the section the course is the same but the t

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is segregated by gender her tea is closer to where she needs to go than yours so if you go to the golf course

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tomorrow with any female friend of yours you cannot you can't hit the ball from the same spot we could

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because we want to but you're we're talking about organizing no i'm not i'm talking about listen to my words

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of all the scenarios in any given day or moment where people are playing sports

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millions of people are playing sports but how many of those are but it doesn't matter but the only ones that matter are

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the ones that don't know but as far as meaning college high school why not because my point is in the

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overwhelming majority of scenarios where somebody is going to be playing sports

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their gender or whether or not has someone has transitioned is immature that's that's

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point one right so professional looked into personal looked into just somebody [ __ ]

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going and swinging a bat with their friend or whatever right or going to the shore right okay so point one in normal

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living scenarios it doesn't matter where it does matter and by the way trans transgender uh um

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concerns and and and controversies aren't just relegated to to sports right it's

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bathrooms and reproduction okay so there's a lot a lot more than this than sports

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but where it does matter in sports and here's here's me getting to my actual position on this

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thank you for finally [ __ ] letting me uh is where it matters is whether or not there

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there's some sort of um hormonal

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factor that gives somebody an advantage or not i'm being very specific in my words there are cases where there

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where there wouldn't be or shouldn't be or hormonal advantage okay okay so you're telling me that testosterone then

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has a different effect that estrogen does i mean that is a biological fact nobody nobody

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disputes that say that louder say it again and louder yes testosterone

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imparts a higher physical uh

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ability in in depending on the situation but generally right on average okay uh

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both both in terms of muscle tone and and overall muscle strength and then skeleton aerobic and skeletal structural

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and aerobic capacity and all that testosterone does does have an impact okay but again 0.1 99 of the time the

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gender doesn't matter so so that alone should make people shut up about it

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to your point i play kickball with girls in school sure and there are times when it matters and that

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that those times are whether or not the testosterone imparts a a

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and again it's again unfair i don't want to focus on testosterone because i don't know if

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there are sports where the the estrogen body composition may may

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have i don't i don't know not estrogen but the body composition of a woman does give them an advantage of certain other

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things that's okay right okay so fair enough so this i'm not going to get into the whole misogynistic thing about having kids and i'm saying let's say if

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we had to have a a competition on not who can squat the heaviest but who can

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squat in the best form let's say we're just having a competition women men and women with small you know

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what they do where they tend to do better and you you would be surprised and i've i've i've

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read this i don't i don't know how true it is but i know i've read it and heard it is women do better in rock climbing

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you wouldn't think because men have more upper body strength but legs women's legs can drive them farther up and as

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long as a woman can develop a good grip her legs are going to drive around and they tend to even before the group they

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develop that grip strength because they they tend to have upper body strength they're from the get-go gonna be using

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more of their legs which is what you're doing in climate and you also have to remember that women tend to carry

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less body weight and their upper torso their men do so when they drive upwards with their legs they're having to push a

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lot less weight than a man would and since a man really doesn't have the length of the

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the leg um i would say they had the leg strength but a woman would smoke a man

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as far as if they had to do it for an extended period of time i'm i'm betting on the woman 100 okay so there we've

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established other times where a female competition might composition might have an advantage but let's just talk about

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examples in in professional or somewhat professional or college global sports

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where that could make a difference okay i i i

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should probably find this source but i did read read about a study and i didn't read the

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actual study but i read sort of a i guess an article about it where

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uh male-to-female transition athletes

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were analyzed regarding the the their their physical abilities before and

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after transition and what what this research found was that up to two years

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post the completion whatever a doctor would certify as the completion transition

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there's enough residual testosterone to show a marked advantage meaning advantage where

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you could actually quantify it and say look this person is running faster they're jumping higher

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but there's also the factors of what you mentioned before a man's a biological male skeletal system is denser and and

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um but listen to the the what the study said somebody who's transitioned from male to

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female has quantifiable something that you could point to run faster jump faster

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yes more of an advantage yes you can say it that way for sure for

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up to two years yes maybe their bones are in some way still somehow

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that's what they think they report that's what it doesn't matter because that's a fair thing

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there's no advantage from from whatever they were there's no more advantages

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show me the statistics where these people for example this swimmer waited two years she may not have i

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agree so this is my position not just her what about all the other rights that are transgendered

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100 so this so that's my position that if there is if if there is a

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demonstrable quantifiable not subjective not all those i like quantifying because you can

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measure it you can tell yeah this is so if there is no there is no opinion if there is scientific evidence

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of a particular advantage up to a certain point then that is how long somebody should be required to wait

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again if it matters if it's just some sort of people

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but i have a counter to that though doesn't that also um depend on what age you start to

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transition and i'm gonna i know this is a very old story but the fallon fox situation who you know found

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foxes fallon fox was a 30 year old male who was an mma fighter

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who was horrible didn't anybody who followed mma could see that this man had

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no idea what they were doing just flailing around being beaten by other men

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transitioned from male to female already 30 years old now remind you this is what i want to emphasize i'm 30 years

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old meaning fully developed hormonally skeletal system was already intact no

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more growing going to be done skeletal system was as dense and as strong it was as it was going to be from 30 years of

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testosterone hold on goes into mma transitions as to male to

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female goes into mma doesn't tell anybody that he's a trans okay

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so this person started mma after their transition well yeah after their transition they

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hadn't been training ever they hadn't done any sort of marginalized training so they they weren't like a black belt

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in jiu-jitsu didn't tell anybody he was trans and went in to compete against yours other women okay so she went into

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and and and only started learning martial arts after their transition didn't learn no but there was no learning it's just fighting winning to

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go fight some people train for years some people do bjj some people do this was a grown

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30 year old man that went into mma and wanted to compete against women

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and their trans her transition was done um as far as i knew yeah but never told

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anybody that she was trained never told anybody ever told the promoters would you say i told the other women he was

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she was fighting never told anyone but you said hold on but you said you said that

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before before the transition like he it was clear that this person wasn't

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going to make it an mma is that what you were saying against other men his same weight class because he had been doing

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mma right yeah so he didn't just start an mma after the transition

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at an amateur level and in a gym level yeah he was doing mma okay so he was doing okay that's very very you know but

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but i but but you're missing a a very a very clear point that you asked me and i

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answered your question had you been training for years no but you know i'm doing mma

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you can go into a ufc gym right now sure do you do a week of mma with your jiu-jitsu guy

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or whatever and go into a fight and you can go into an amateur fight and you don't know [ __ ] okay i could do that for

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you right now if you wanted to okay but what about somebody that had been doing it as an amateur just going in this case

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fallon fox did not do that in this case falling fox had no training but was a man and beat up women

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but before that as a male he wasn't doing mma fighting not me okay not training but he was

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fighting yeah you could argue that just the fact that they were going into

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fights imparted some sort of not knowledge but like experience you

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know learning through doing you know what i mean like if you thoughts of the women he was fighting

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the this this person if you if you fight every single day you're not going to be a better fighter even if nobody's like

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telling um of course right okay that's my point so maybe it's not official training and technique but now let me ask you but it is through but if you're

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a man and you've and you've been a biological man for 30 years no matter how much training a biological

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female has don't you think that you to some degree because not always

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because felon fox got her ass [ __ ] handed to her by a much better fighter that had been

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training to your point for years and didn't give a [ __ ] whether it was trans man or female

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this female that he fought where she fought found fox's ass but in the beginning by

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not telling any woman that he was a trans or not telling the promoters that she was trans going in there

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does it make a difference i think you can have a lot of the the the

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training that you want as a female if a man hits you with 30 years of testosterone in their system and a

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heavier denser skeletal system you know i don't i don't really follow mma or anything like that but but i know

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but to but to it if you fought ronda rousey oh ronda rousey would kill me okay

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you have how many pounds on her 100 pounds on her but you're missing a different you're missing a point here

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ronda rousey is an olympic judoka and a multi-time ufc champion

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okay i am neither of those i am not an olympic judo practitioner i

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am not a ufc fighter i am a 42 year old middle-aged veteran with multiple

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[ __ ] injuries all over my body and it's not in my best interest to want to

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fight anybody let alone a person whose life has been dedicated to fighting

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which what to your own point that you said earlier if you are fighting every single day you are going to get better

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at it ronda rousey is a perfect example of that her mother

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i think two-time gold medalist in judo and she was been training as in judo

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since she was a child with her mother went to train with judo jean labelle and then went to train at um the place over

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there in california with these boxers from um i don't know where the hell they are they're called anymore but

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she had years of training so of course she fights somebody like me i'm gonna get my ass kicked

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but let's say ronda rousey and i were on the same playing field she's a female and i'm a biological male

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it's her first mma fight it's my first mma fight okay she's got no training i got no

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training i would bet the [ __ ] farm on me that i'm gonna beat the [ __ ] out of her which

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is the situation that happened with fallon fox to an extent where the second woman that

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fallon fox fought she actually not fractured but severely cracked her skull that this

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woman had to stop doing everything in life like just stopped because the skull was that

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[ __ ] it was you were watching a man beat up a woman that's what it came down to so i i have

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so many questions right please do please what was you know so many questions was was uh what's her

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name okay so was her was her transition you know to what extent was it supervised by

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by a doctor how is it please tell us how how far how far into the transition was she if she if she was finished with the

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transition if her officially certified uh how how long after okay and then my

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final question to you is given that there's at least one study that says that the the advantage lasts

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for no longer than two years one study but there are so many that can be done i

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completely this is something that that should be explored which by the way by the way the funny thing about this study

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the author right the scientists that that conducted it and then and then you know

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authored the the summary written and the paper on it the in the summary i don't know if i

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don't know where somewhere in the conclusions because the article that i read was was very quick

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to point this out in the summary this researcher

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literally said okay we found this this and this and this and then said but this should not be taken as a reason to

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deny transgender athletes the opportunity then

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if yes that more more research should be

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done and and if the science points to or continues to point to an advantage point

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to an and identify and reveal an advantage then that is what the the

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the legislation and the rules that both professionally and the college and even even high school level right should be

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should be focused on but again we're only talking we're talking about trent

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a single transgender issue which is which is their opportunity to play sports most of the time it shouldn't matter

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especially shouldn't and doesn't especially

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any lower lower than than college maybe my only argument is that and for the for

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the viewers and listeners out there that don't know this i have been involved in sports my entire life

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and charlie here has not he's not even a sports

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fan of anything i don't think there's not really any sport that you follow at all

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so you have to take that into consideration when listening and viewing this conversation he

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not only has never participated in any sports he is athletic surprisingly enough he is

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an athletic person but he doesn't follow or participate or has ever participated in any kind of

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um athletic endeavor but i have so don't don't let the spoolies all die

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listen we've invested a lot of money and time into this so please but

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i'm just saying that that's where the differences in perspective come from his perspective is he likes to delve into

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these studies that have been done and numbers and i agree when you have numbers that you cannot

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disagree with there is no argument around numbers that have been studied i agree with that however there is a lot

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more variables that go into it than just numbers even on the high school level in in the college level professional level

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there's more variables into those things than you realize variables yeah but the question is whether or not is it material or is it

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immaterial it is very mature will it because there again but this is coming from a person

1:20:21

who's never played sports from a person who has okay quick quick quick take russian regarding the question of

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whether or not someone's ex to what extent someone's experience matters in a particular conversation uh

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do do police do police single out black people yesterday we're talking about sports no i know but really quick do

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they single out black people no okay have you ever been a black man yes you know you haven't okay if i blind

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sure but if a black man tells you look i've you know i've spent

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taking on that hat right but if they say to you uh hey i've spent my life as a black man and i can tell you i i'm

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treated differently i can see that i'm treated differently i feel that i'm treated differently what are you going to say you're going to say

1:21:04

that's your individual perspective sure but are you capable of understanding the

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overall uh um scenario and construct of

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police interactions and society to to be able to say one way or another yes

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and i'm going to say why because as a puerto rican people people in america here's the thing with

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americans and and this is very very it's to a person from the caribbean it's kind of strange

1:21:35

here people see themselves as either black or white

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if you went to a country like puerto rico cuba dominican republic and you say oh i'm black and if you

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looked black if you go to puerto rico and you saw a black man in puerto rico you said you're

1:21:53

black he'd look at you like something's wrong with you like why would you say that and they're not denying that they're

1:21:58

black they're denying that you would single them out as such because in their minds

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they're just puerto rican they're just caribbean people cubans there's white

1:22:09

white fairly skinned white people with green eyes blonde hair they look irish but they're cuban and then there's

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african like from the republic of the congo that are that dark and they're in

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cuba and if you try to separate them by the way they looked they would be offended because in their eyes they're

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all just cubans you understand that's how the caribbean mentality works so when i come here and say you don't

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understand how it's to be black i'm like but how does that statement make sense so

1:22:38

because you're regardless you are assuming that just because you are darker than me that i had no idea what

1:22:43

the hell you're talking about so so just because you don't share a particular skin color with somebody

1:22:51

doesn't outweigh your ability to comprehend the overall uh

1:22:56

context of whatever it is you're discussing to the point where it doesn't negate

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your your conclusion but also but to all but also to that point a person of color

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let's a black person to assume that i would not to assume that i would not know what it felt like would be a wrong

1:23:15

assumption why because you because that's one of the things in society

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but also that they are assuming that they are more of a victim than i am and

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as a matter of fact they have no idea who i am or no idea what i've been through well maybe they're not assuming

1:23:31

maybe they're just saying you have an experience

1:23:36

what they're saying to you is dominic you haven't experienced what i have therefore your opinion doesn't matter exactly and that is that wrong that is

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wrong because just somebody who is somebody being a sports fan or somebody playing sports their entire life is

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absolutely [ __ ] deadly squat meaningless in this conversation

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