Jordane Giuly, CEO and Co founder of Defacto, joins the show to talk about

- Jordan'e experience building a Unicorn at Spendesk and the decision to walk away from the successful startup he co-founded.

- The three bets that Jordane and team are making to go big with Defacto.

- Building his startup in Paris vs. Silicon Valley, and the benefits of building outside of the US.

- Lessons learned from fundraising for Defacto vs. Spendesk, the importance of balancing transparency and confidence when going through challenging times, as well as the importance of remembering to find joy in what you're building.