Cesar Garcia - Wood Style Artisan, Print Making, Grafica Nocturna, Oaxaca & More

In this episode we speak with Cesar Garcia

Cesar is an artist based out of the Inland Empire. He talks to us about his Oaxacan background and influence. His wood working style and tools, starting the collective Grafica Nocturna, custom orders and more.

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________Content______
00:00 - Intro/The Art On Cesar's Wall
07:59 - Who is Cesar Garcia?/Oaxaca
21:40 - Tools Used/Choosing Artwork/Explaining Artwork
37:08 - Print Making & Business/Family & Wood Cutting
1:01:01 - Current Projects
1:02:40

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guest for today.

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an artist, visual artist, who's, you know,

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wood art.

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I can't even,

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uses wood tools and different

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things to make art and then

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puts it on printmaking.

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It's amazing.

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And we're going to let him

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talk a little bit more about that.

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And that gentleman's name is Cesar Garcia.

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Cesar, welcome to the empire.

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Oh, hello.

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Thanks for having me in this.

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It's actually my first podcast interview.

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So yeah, thanks you.

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Oh, man, it's so great to have you.

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How's your day been?

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It has been good.

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I just made some errands

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before this interview,

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so I think I'm okay right now.

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Gotcha.

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You did some errands, you said?

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Excuse me?

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You did some errands?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I had to do some errands before.

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So I could stay calm with no rush.

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Hey, that's...

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You know,

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that's one of the things I hate

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is like rushing and it's like, ah,

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like you get like the anxiety,

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you know what I mean?

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You're like, ah.

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Yeah, I know.

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That happens when like I

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have like deadlines for like, you know,

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for an exhibition or like

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youth commission.

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Like, I don't know.

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I think like most of the

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artists are like that.

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Like, you know,

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they do things at the last minute,

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you know.

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They wait for the last

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minute to do anything.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I know.

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Go ahead.

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Were you going to say something?

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No, I'm just working on that, you know,

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just to, you know,

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try to do things sometime before time,

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you know.

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Yeah, you know, it's so hard, you know,

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but I think it helps, like,

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if you don't like anxiety to, like, just,

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like, for me, it's, like,

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I got to get it done now so

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I don't have to think about it later.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I know.

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Yeah.

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So since you got it done,

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now you're chilling, right?

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Yeah, right now, like I said, yeah.

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no rush got you and you can

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you can enjoy your day yeah

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yeah well you know cesar

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it's so great to have you

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here man I'm glad you got

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all your errands done I

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love your background

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actually matter of fact can

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you tell us a little bit

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what's in the background

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right there can you tell us

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what that is I was like

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this yeah I love it yeah so

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this is a piece uh one of

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my friends made uh is uh l

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She makes a lot of this type

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of art using recycled materials,

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materials she finds in nature.

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So yeah, she gave me this piece.

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Actually, she told me,

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could you save my pieces?

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Because she had an

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exhibition at Creative

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Grounds in San Bernardino.

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And she told me, oh,

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I'm not going to be able to pick them up.

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Could you pick them for me?

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And I was like, yeah.

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And it was like two pieces or three,

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I remember.

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And I lasted to give this to her.

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And she was like, you know what?

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I'm going to give it to you.

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uh so I it's kind of like uh

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I steal it or like but no

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she she gave it to me she

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said um it's okay you can

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have this yeah excuse me no

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saying I was gonna say

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you're stealing art I see

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yeah sometimes I do that

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like okay uh and those two

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masks uh those are uh

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pieces made by my dad um

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That's one of the things my dad makes.

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I mean, she's like multi, how to say,

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multidisciplinary.

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Yeah, so like she would, I mean,

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he works a lot with wood

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because he's a woodworker.

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And he makes this for,

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there's a traditional dance

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in Oaxaca in the community.

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Okay.

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Where they dress like this, like, you know,

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old faces.

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And they do it after Dia de Muertos,

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like nine days after, something like that,

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or a week, something.

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I don't remember right now.

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Dope.

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Super cool.

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Yeah, those masks look super realistic,

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especially the mustache

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that he has right there.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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The hair he used for that was,

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I think I remember it was a bull.

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like a pigtail, bull tail.

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And like the ones on the

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other one is white.

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They are, I think a sheep.

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Yeah, sheep.

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Yeah,

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but that's one of the things my dad

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makes.

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And then I actually was about,

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I was supposed to sell them,

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but then I was like,

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I don't have a lot of things from my dad.

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And so, yeah, I take them.

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I keep them.

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Since I got here to California,

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I have been with them.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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Well,

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enough about Pops and stealing art

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from people.

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Let's hear about who you are, Cesar.

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Who are you and what do you do?

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Can you tell us all who you

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are and the things that you do,

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my friend?

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yeah um well I consider well

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I don't consider myself an

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artist I think I will

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consider myself more like

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uh let's say like an

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artisan um hand crafter

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okay uh because I think I

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don't do a lot of like uh

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like mediums I'm more

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focused on like one specific which is a

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Woodcut, which is a printmaking technique.

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Woodcut and line cut.

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Like I said, I grew up in Oaxaca.

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My parents are from there,

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from Zapotec community over there.

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And since I was a kid, I don't know, I got,

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I was surrounded by art.

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or like because of the culture,

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like it was like colorful,

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like there's like different

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communities that do like

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different types of art, ceramics,

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tapestry, like woodcut, painting.

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And also in my family,

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like I also was surrounded

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by that because like I said, my dad,

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He was multi-skilled.

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He makes good working, like tapestry,

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sculpture, painting, watercolor, drawing.

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I don't know.

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We got that from him,

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the passion to do things.

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Yeah,

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and I think that's a big influence in

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my career.

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On my art, I want to reflect my culture.

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And yeah,

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I still have to work on a piece

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where I want to translate

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those memories growing up in Oaxaca.

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But, yeah, I think, oh, I forgot to say,

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like, this technique, woodcut,

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woodcutting, woodcarve,

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I learned it in Oaxaca

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because over there is a large,

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there's a large scene of, like,

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printmaking.

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You can see how these

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workshops use this

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technique to display on the

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street with pasting, as a form of protest,

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addressing social, political issues,

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above all in Oaxaca.

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Because Oaxaca is one of the, what's that?

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You could say it's one of

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the poorest states in Mexico.

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but they are always like, I would say like,

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like protesting.

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I think it's a rebel state, you know,

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because a lot of the people

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that are in Oaxaca are

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indigenous people and they have like this,

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I would say like this rebel spirit.

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Like they don't want to be like, you know,

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You know,

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they don't want the government to

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tell them what to do

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because it's their land.

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They have authority about on their land.

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So, yeah, so they have that.

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And you can see it, like I said,

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on the art, you can see on the street,

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on the street art, you know,

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there's a lot of that

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political and social issues.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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So do you...

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feel like you have a lot of, well,

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there's a couple of things

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I wanted to ask.

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Cause, uh,

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first I was kind of curious cause I knew,

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um, that you were from Oaxaca, right?

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Um, what,

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how old were you when you came

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from Oaxaca to the,

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to the U S the California?

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Uh, I was 22, 22 when I, when I get here.

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Uh, and how old are you now?

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I'm 33.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I'm already like,

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I have been here for about what?

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11 years.

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Yeah.

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11 years.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, but yeah, when I,

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but I go back to Oaxaca, you know, I go,

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well,

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I used to go like before the pandemic,

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I used to go like, like every year,

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you know,

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and then after the pandemic happened,

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yeah, I stopped.

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Last year was the first time I came.

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I went back after,

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you know, through the pandemic.

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Since the pandemic.

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Yeah, so I wanted to,

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one thing that I was curious about,

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because I knew you were Oaxacan,

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was if you considered

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yourself someone who

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strictly makes Oaxacan art,

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like art that represents Oaxaca,

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or if you're a Oaxacan man

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that just happens to be an artist.

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Do you understand the question?

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Yeah, I think I choose the second one,

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because

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Like I said, I'm a Oaxacan,

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but I don't do art that

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reflects Oaxaca right now

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because I don't live in Oaxaca.

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And right now that I'm

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living in San Bernardino,

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I think I get more

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influence for what's

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happening in San Bernardino.

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In the community.

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Yeah, in the community.

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I have been trying to get

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involved in the community.

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Okay, because it started like this,

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like about, it was June, June of 2022,

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2022.

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I got this opportunity of

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being an artist in residence,

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the Studio Aire, which is a,

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located at the Garcia Center for the Arts.

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And before that,

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I haven't been doing art for,

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I don't know, for three years.

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I stopped doing woodcutting.

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And then I got this

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opportunity by Yulisa Mendoza,

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who is the director of Studio Aire.

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That's where I started to get motivated.

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I had the opportunity to

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host two workshops.

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And since then, I got

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I have been getting like involved.

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And after that,

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I also got the opportunity

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to participate in the child fellowship.

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It's like a summer camp for

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high school and middle school students.

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And it was the first time

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also like I was teaching to like kids.

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I used to do it when I was in Oaxaca,

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but I was like something

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more like spontaneous, you know.

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And here, you know, you have to move.

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There's already like a plan, you know,

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and a scheme.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Why did you stop doing art?

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That's interesting.

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okay I stopped I think I

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stopped doing art because

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okay when I was here um

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when I got in summer you

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know I started to do like

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the woodcut and uh like

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trying to find like venues

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and like ways to exhibit my

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my art and I think I had

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like three opportunities to

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showcase my art and I saw that

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I think only for those three exhibitions,

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like,

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I saw that people wasn't interested

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in what I was doing, you know?

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Like, there was no interest.

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And I was like, oh,

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so people don't like what I do,

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so there's no interest.

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I don't know.

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That's how I got, like, you know,

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I should stop doing that.

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And actually, after that, I started, like,

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customized shoes and jackets.

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We're going to talk about that, too.

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We'll talk about that.

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Yeah.

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And, yeah, I think it was because of that,

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because I was feeling that people wasn't,

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like, getting interested on my...

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on the art I was doing.

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But then I was after,

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now I think back about that

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and I say like,

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there's like different public, you know,

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for art, for different art.

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So you just have to find, you know,

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your people or the people

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you're trying to reach.

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You just keep going,

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just not because you had

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three failings or like,

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You want to stop making art, you know?

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That's what I have learned.

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Like, you know,

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you just keep doing what you love,

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you know?

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I love that.

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Yeah, you're going to get opportunities.

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You're going to get exposure.

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But you just have to work hard to do that,

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yeah.

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Yeah,

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and you have to keep going and keep going,

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right?

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And not give up.

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You know...

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You know,

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we had Dwan Kellam here on The Empire.

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And you know who he does, right?

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Creative Grounds.

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And he goes to Oaxaca a lot, right?

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I don't know if you,

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do you know who Dwan is?

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Yeah,

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actually he was one of the first

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person I met when I started

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to get involved in the art community.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah,

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he was one of the first person that I

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met.

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And yeah, I know he has been in Oaxaca.

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Actually, also, like, I want to,

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there's going to be an art, I mean,

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a Oaxacan festival at the

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Garcia Center next,

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it's going to be March 30th.

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March 3-0?

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Yeah, March 3-0.

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OK.

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Yeah, so the reason why I mentioned,

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we'll definitely remind

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people again about that.

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The reason why I mentioned

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Duan is because he says

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that there's a big

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Afro-Mexicano population in Oaxaca.

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and stuff like that.

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And he talks about how he

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would go there and he'd enjoy that.

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So I just wanted to ask you

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about your thoughts on that,

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your experience with the

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Afro-Mexicano in Oaxaca.

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Okay.

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That's one thing I noticed when I got here,

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because in Oaxaca,

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you don't see a lot of

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black communities over there.

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because okay like there's

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like eight regions in

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Oaxaca yeah like I wasn't

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like used to see like you

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know black people in the

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Oaxaca because like I say

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it's more like indigenous

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communities and then when I

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got I was I had some like

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stories that you know there

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was black people on the

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on the, how to say, coast, like region.

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Okay.

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Costa, in La Costa.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yes.

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So when I got here,

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actually it was last year

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that there was this Oaxacan,

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Afro-Oaxacan festival in

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the Garcia Center.

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Yeah.

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I started to learn about that.

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Because it's also like in Oaxaca,

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like they don't teach us

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about like the like black

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black uh history yeah the

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africanos yeah the

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africanos they don't they

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don't really teach us they

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you said like they brought

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like you know slaves and uh

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some of them like you know

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um I went to hide um but I

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think yeah also like that

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they are I think they are

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like um high you know um

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But, yeah, like I said,

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I never had like that, how to say,

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like interaction with Black people.

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And it wasn't like a thing

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they talked about, you know?

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No, it's not a thing like we talked.

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I don't know if it's because,

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I don't know if also Oaxaca

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is like racist or just

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something like that.

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Yeah,

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because now that we are talking about

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that, I'm starting to like notice that.

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Like, we never, like, in the schools,

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they never teach us about that.

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I know.

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It makes you think, why not?

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Por qué?

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Por qué no?

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Por qué no?

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Yeah, por qué.

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You know.

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But anyway, let's go back to your art,

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you know.

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So I noticed that you use a

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lot of different tools, right?

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So how many different tools

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do you use when you're doing, like,

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this wood type of art, the shaving,

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printmaking?

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How many different tools are you using?

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I don't know how many tools

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I got but I use many

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because and also I have

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different brands because

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some of them like have

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different like how to say

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dimension like the tips and

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they create different

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actually have some of them

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here so I want to teach you

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like this is one like one

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of the tools I use but

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This is like one of the like

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to create fine lines and all of that.

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And there's another one like

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this to cover like various.

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And like I said, they have different tips.

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Yeah, I was going to say that first one.

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Don't pick your nose with that first one.

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No, no.

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Yeah, they create different textures.

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So I would say that I have like

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20 of them, but I don't use all of them.

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It depends.

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I have some favorites.

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I think it will be three of

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them that are my favorite

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that I use the most.

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Got you.

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The ones that you always go to.

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It's like your go-to tools.

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You always use them, right?

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Yeah.

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I always get excited every

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time I see these tools.

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When I see new ones,

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And because actually,

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there's a kit I want to get.

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It's a Japanese set.

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But it's expensive.

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I'm going to try to save for that one.

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Got you.

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The good stuff is always expensive, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's always expensive.

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But it's worth it, right?

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When you spend it, it's worth the money.

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Yeah.

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Actually, I got my first kit.

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I got it in Oaxaca.

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And I have been with them since I got them,

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and they are still working.

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Really nice.

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Yeah.

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Beautiful.

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And I wanted to ask you,

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because first of all, I love your work.

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It's so beautiful.

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Thank you.

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And I just want to assume, Cesar,

00:23:56.248 --> 00:23:57.028
don't hold me to it,

00:23:57.087 --> 00:23:58.728
but I just want to assume.

00:23:58.788 --> 00:23:59.508
I'm assuming that you have a

00:23:59.548 --> 00:24:01.028
lot of different ideas in your head,

00:24:01.088 --> 00:24:01.348
right?

00:24:02.288 --> 00:24:05.750
How do you decide which idea?

00:24:07.105 --> 00:24:08.365
to do?

00:24:09.767 --> 00:24:10.448
How do you decide?

00:24:12.528 --> 00:24:14.750
How do I decide to do?

00:24:16.011 --> 00:24:19.074
I think it's like the moment

00:24:19.193 --> 00:24:20.234
and how I'm feeling.

00:24:20.255 --> 00:24:22.156
I'm sorry.

00:24:24.719 --> 00:24:25.960
Like there has been these

00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:27.300
two pieces I made

00:24:30.367 --> 00:24:31.568
these two large pieces I

00:24:31.588 --> 00:24:34.770
made for an exhibition in Long Beach.

00:24:35.671 --> 00:24:38.512
And how I decided to do those,

00:24:40.574 --> 00:24:43.335
it was because I was, I wanted to,

00:24:44.236 --> 00:24:46.696
how to say, like communicate something.

00:24:47.416 --> 00:24:49.999
Like, because like I said,

00:24:50.558 --> 00:24:54.280
I've been trying to do art that address

00:24:56.624 --> 00:24:58.766
that are happening in the community.

00:24:59.787 --> 00:25:05.193
And I think, yeah, I get like,

00:25:05.934 --> 00:25:06.895
also like how I'm feeling,

00:25:06.935 --> 00:25:10.760
like when I have also an idea, like clear,

00:25:10.981 --> 00:25:12.323
like when I say like, okay, I have,

00:25:13.173 --> 00:25:14.714
this idea like develop.

00:25:15.154 --> 00:25:16.756
So I wanna try to do this first.

00:25:17.517 --> 00:25:19.917
And then this one,

00:25:20.617 --> 00:25:22.779
because I have pieces that I say like,

00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.621
okay, I wanna do this one,

00:25:24.740 --> 00:25:26.501
but I just leave it there

00:25:26.602 --> 00:25:27.342
and I don't finish.

00:25:29.042 --> 00:25:30.124
And I think I finished the

00:25:30.183 --> 00:25:32.365
pieces I get the most

00:25:32.384 --> 00:25:35.247
motivated to finish or to complete.

00:25:37.667 --> 00:25:40.009
And yeah, I,

00:25:40.931 --> 00:25:43.993
That answer your question or?

00:25:45.734 --> 00:25:47.215
Yeah, I think that answers it, you know,

00:25:47.276 --> 00:25:49.597
because, you know, you said you, you know,

00:25:49.617 --> 00:25:49.898
whatever,

00:25:50.138 --> 00:25:51.680
like you feel the most and whatever,

00:25:51.740 --> 00:25:52.381
like represents what's

00:25:52.401 --> 00:25:53.361
happening in the community.

00:25:53.922 --> 00:25:55.702
So, yeah, I think so.

00:25:56.644 --> 00:25:56.864
Right.

00:25:57.285 --> 00:25:59.086
And matter of fact,

00:26:00.067 --> 00:26:01.107
I want to show people some

00:26:01.127 --> 00:26:03.209
of the little clip of your art.

00:26:03.589 --> 00:26:04.150
Let me show them.

00:26:04.871 --> 00:26:04.990
Yeah.

00:26:05.010 --> 00:26:05.090
Yeah.

00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:11.730
So can you tell us a little

00:26:11.750 --> 00:26:12.931
bit about this piece right here?

00:26:14.832 --> 00:26:19.713
Yes, that piece, OK,

00:26:19.794 --> 00:26:23.194
I got a grant which let me

00:26:23.674 --> 00:26:24.736
work on these two pieces.

00:26:25.455 --> 00:26:27.396
So this is the first one,

00:26:27.517 --> 00:26:29.096
which is the one on the screen.

00:26:30.178 --> 00:26:33.439
It's called, I forget,

00:26:33.818 --> 00:26:35.220
Harvesting Dreamers.

00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:38.141
Yeah, Harvesting Dreamers.

00:26:39.113 --> 00:26:39.993
It's like a gentleman and he

00:26:40.013 --> 00:26:41.996
has like three little girls on his back,

00:26:42.076 --> 00:26:42.316
right?

00:26:42.736 --> 00:26:43.036
Yeah.

00:26:43.237 --> 00:26:44.998
And it's more like a tribute

00:26:45.038 --> 00:26:49.801
to the farm workers who

00:26:49.842 --> 00:26:51.923
like most of them are like immigrants.

00:26:53.484 --> 00:26:55.446
My dad worked on the fields.

00:26:56.468 --> 00:26:59.810
I think most of the like immigrants, yeah,

00:26:59.911 --> 00:27:01.952
people that the first time they came,

00:27:01.992 --> 00:27:03.634
they started like working on fields.

00:27:04.535 --> 00:27:06.817
And yeah, it's like they are,

00:27:07.289 --> 00:27:08.671
reaching the or trying to

00:27:08.730 --> 00:27:09.871
reach the american dream

00:27:11.291 --> 00:27:12.532
but I think the american

00:27:12.553 --> 00:27:14.253
dream is reflected on their

00:27:14.354 --> 00:27:17.575
children like yeah to see

00:27:17.595 --> 00:27:19.796
them bloom uh prosper in

00:27:19.816 --> 00:27:21.896
this country you know uh

00:27:22.518 --> 00:27:23.917
yeah just to see them good

00:27:24.018 --> 00:27:26.599
you know um yeah and this

00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.740
that piece is uh uh what I

00:27:29.780 --> 00:27:32.663
try to uh like represent uh

00:27:32.863 --> 00:27:35.364
I love that yeah and uh the

00:27:35.423 --> 00:27:36.724
second piece which is gonna show

00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:40.980
Uh, that one is, uh, I think, yeah,

00:27:41.040 --> 00:27:44.022
harvesting, no, housing season.

00:27:45.544 --> 00:27:49.445
Uh, and that piece, um, this,

00:27:49.486 --> 00:27:51.145
that's one of, one of the issues, like,

00:27:51.286 --> 00:27:52.186
I try to, to, uh,

00:27:52.307 --> 00:27:57.068
represent from the Seminole, uh, uh,

00:27:57.930 --> 00:27:58.890
communities, like,

00:27:59.770 --> 00:28:02.092
the house affordability, like,

00:28:02.192 --> 00:28:03.913
house displacement, homelessness,

00:28:04.952 --> 00:28:06.453
all of that is related, you know?

00:28:07.321 --> 00:28:12.982
And I wanted to represent that problem.

00:28:16.003 --> 00:28:16.663
And actually,

00:28:16.683 --> 00:28:19.825
I wanted to use people I know,

00:28:20.424 --> 00:28:23.565
people that are getting involved in that.

00:28:24.385 --> 00:28:25.266
And for that piece,

00:28:25.306 --> 00:28:29.267
I used my friend Kristen,

00:28:30.086 --> 00:28:33.548
who is part of the so-called trash army,

00:28:34.688 --> 00:28:35.528
and her daughter.

00:28:36.556 --> 00:28:38.278
And because she is one of

00:28:38.317 --> 00:28:41.099
the people that is involved

00:28:42.421 --> 00:28:44.041
with the homeless community.

00:28:45.182 --> 00:28:48.967
And yeah,

00:28:48.987 --> 00:28:50.147
I asked her if she wanted to be

00:28:50.208 --> 00:28:51.067
part of this piece,

00:28:52.809 --> 00:28:55.192
which it represents how she

00:28:56.205 --> 00:28:57.306
how getting a house should

00:28:57.326 --> 00:29:00.147
be like easy as get it from a tree,

00:29:00.188 --> 00:29:03.709
you know, from a fruit tree, you know.

00:29:03.749 --> 00:29:04.269
Wow.

00:29:04.909 --> 00:29:05.630
I get it like that.

00:29:06.369 --> 00:29:06.589
Wow.

00:29:07.451 --> 00:29:10.011
It should be more easy, you know.

00:29:11.332 --> 00:29:12.673
That's a super cool concept.

00:29:13.393 --> 00:29:13.692
Yeah.

00:29:14.313 --> 00:29:14.913
I love that.

00:29:15.614 --> 00:29:15.894
Yeah.

00:29:15.913 --> 00:29:17.634
And actually I have another

00:29:17.734 --> 00:29:19.914
two pieces I'm working on right now,

00:29:19.996 --> 00:29:21.175
but I haven't finished.

00:29:21.895 --> 00:29:23.557
And yeah, they represent like,

00:29:25.979 --> 00:29:27.160
One of them represent like

00:29:27.220 --> 00:29:31.442
how workhouses like, you know,

00:29:31.561 --> 00:29:32.362
we are getting like

00:29:32.422 --> 00:29:34.002
surrounded by workhouses

00:29:34.743 --> 00:29:38.746
that we're starting to like, you know,

00:29:40.807 --> 00:29:44.808
to differentiate about more

00:29:44.848 --> 00:29:46.390
like we need more green areas, you know.

00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:49.131
and how those warehouses

00:29:49.191 --> 00:29:50.271
have been like taking those

00:29:50.332 --> 00:29:52.413
spaces to create those

00:29:52.574 --> 00:29:54.996
spaces for the community, you know?

00:29:55.016 --> 00:29:56.436
A hundred percent.

00:29:56.957 --> 00:29:57.217
Yeah.

00:29:57.277 --> 00:29:58.758
And the other piece talks

00:29:58.798 --> 00:30:03.561
about like how we have, how we lost,

00:30:03.981 --> 00:30:08.384
we have lost the capacity of, you know,

00:30:14.111 --> 00:30:16.952
of, uh, cause they created our own, uh,

00:30:17.012 --> 00:30:17.353
foods.

00:30:18.374 --> 00:30:18.953
Uh-huh.

00:30:19.555 --> 00:30:20.555
Like agriculture.

00:30:21.276 --> 00:30:21.496
Yeah.

00:30:21.536 --> 00:30:22.517
Like, you know,

00:30:22.616 --> 00:30:26.078
we get everything from the market, uh,

00:30:26.138 --> 00:30:28.661
the restaurants from, and yeah,

00:30:28.681 --> 00:30:30.422
we have been getting like lazy, you know,

00:30:30.461 --> 00:30:33.844
like, like we should like get back to, uh,

00:30:34.503 --> 00:30:37.326
produce our own, uh, uh, products,

00:30:37.486 --> 00:30:40.028
you know, our own vegetables, uh,

00:30:40.847 --> 00:30:41.588
all of that, you know?

00:30:43.144 --> 00:30:43.943
It's very important.

00:30:44.684 --> 00:30:44.984
Yeah.

00:30:45.125 --> 00:30:46.025
It's one of the,

00:30:46.644 --> 00:30:48.546
another issue I want to like address.

00:30:49.365 --> 00:30:49.766
Got you.

00:30:50.086 --> 00:30:51.246
A bunch of flojos around.

00:30:51.266 --> 00:30:52.646
Yeah.

00:30:52.767 --> 00:30:54.067
Yeah.

00:30:54.467 --> 00:30:54.707
Yeah.

00:30:55.126 --> 00:30:57.048
You know, great work.

00:30:57.107 --> 00:30:58.067
I like the concept too.

00:30:58.107 --> 00:30:58.988
I can't wait to see it.

00:30:59.468 --> 00:31:00.348
I can't wait to see both of them.

00:31:02.713 --> 00:31:04.875
What I wanted to ask you,

00:31:04.895 --> 00:31:07.196
because I think in the

00:31:07.217 --> 00:31:08.198
housing harvest one,

00:31:08.817 --> 00:31:10.138
which is this one right here,

00:31:10.539 --> 00:31:13.961
the second one, there is snails.

00:31:14.482 --> 00:31:16.663
You have snails in the picture, right?

00:31:17.104 --> 00:31:18.565
So why are there snails?

00:31:18.625 --> 00:31:20.086
What do the snails represent?

00:31:20.126 --> 00:31:20.747
What's that about?

00:31:21.788 --> 00:31:22.508
Okay.

00:31:23.509 --> 00:31:27.152
Like I said, I was making this, like,

00:31:27.412 --> 00:31:30.273
I'll say, like, comparison.

00:31:31.234 --> 00:31:31.494
Yeah.

00:31:32.471 --> 00:31:37.034
Comparing how there's

00:31:37.374 --> 00:31:39.914
certain animals that have

00:31:39.974 --> 00:31:43.655
this ability to protect

00:31:43.695 --> 00:31:46.938
themselves or to have a

00:31:47.238 --> 00:31:48.557
place where to hide.

00:31:50.219 --> 00:31:53.299
And there's this animal that have shells,

00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.741
like the hermit crab, the snail.

00:31:58.569 --> 00:32:01.371
armadillo, the tortuga, I mean, uh,

00:32:01.431 --> 00:32:01.871
tortoise.

00:32:02.550 --> 00:32:03.111
Yeah.

00:32:03.810 --> 00:32:07.271
Um, yeah, like that type of animals that,

00:32:08.112 --> 00:32:09.951
you know, they, they can go whenever they,

00:32:10.011 --> 00:32:10.752
whatever they want.

00:32:10.853 --> 00:32:12.173
And at the same time,

00:32:12.212 --> 00:32:13.752
they have a place where to stay,

00:32:14.212 --> 00:32:15.432
where to feel protected.

00:32:15.452 --> 00:32:19.233
Uh, and I, I made that, uh, like,

00:32:20.615 --> 00:32:25.154
it could be like metaphor, like how, uh,

00:32:26.915 --> 00:32:27.615
humans, like,

00:32:28.413 --> 00:32:33.296
should have that ability to

00:32:33.336 --> 00:32:34.416
leave whatever they want,

00:32:34.757 --> 00:32:37.598
to have a place where to feel safe,

00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:38.339
protected.

00:32:40.361 --> 00:32:44.743
And I made that comparison

00:32:45.684 --> 00:32:48.586
for trying to use a snail

00:32:48.646 --> 00:32:50.127
as a representation of

00:32:50.988 --> 00:32:52.249
those people that don't

00:32:52.308 --> 00:32:53.309
have a place where to go.

00:32:54.494 --> 00:32:56.395
Actually, in that piece,

00:32:56.415 --> 00:32:59.237
there's a snail who has a broken shell.

00:33:01.538 --> 00:33:02.817
And it represents those

00:33:02.877 --> 00:33:05.719
people that have lost their houses,

00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.039
have to move.

00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:11.402
It's not only because of financial

00:33:15.693 --> 00:33:17.174
I say financial problems,

00:33:18.135 --> 00:33:19.257
it could be also because

00:33:19.698 --> 00:33:20.557
there's a conflict.

00:33:21.679 --> 00:33:23.000
There's a, you know,

00:33:23.019 --> 00:33:24.582
this part of the world

00:33:24.622 --> 00:33:25.321
where there's like

00:33:25.383 --> 00:33:28.224
conflicts and people have to run away,

00:33:28.965 --> 00:33:30.846
you know, from, you know,

00:33:31.048 --> 00:33:32.469
trying to find a new place

00:33:32.509 --> 00:33:35.471
where to feel safe.

00:33:36.271 --> 00:33:38.493
And yeah, that's, I think that's the,

00:33:39.474 --> 00:33:42.718
the snails represent that, those people.

00:33:43.867 --> 00:33:45.008
That is so amazing.

00:33:45.067 --> 00:33:45.548
Super cool.

00:33:45.588 --> 00:33:47.308
Now that I have the context,

00:33:47.429 --> 00:33:48.569
it's super cool.

00:33:49.190 --> 00:33:51.070
Wow, it's so dope.

00:33:51.391 --> 00:33:52.510
Another thing I wanted to ask you,

00:33:52.550 --> 00:33:54.451
because what I've also seen

00:33:54.731 --> 00:33:58.693
in a lot of your work is color.

00:34:00.054 --> 00:34:02.055
When did you start

00:34:02.255 --> 00:34:04.296
incorporating color and why?

00:34:04.316 --> 00:34:09.797
OK, I'm going to say that piece.

00:34:11.251 --> 00:34:12.012
It's not completed.

00:34:12.931 --> 00:34:16.434
I still have to finish it.

00:34:18.235 --> 00:34:21.297
The reason it has red is

00:34:21.336 --> 00:34:23.838
because that's the area I

00:34:24.057 --> 00:34:26.800
still have to carve.

00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:28.701
Because when we are carving,

00:34:29.822 --> 00:34:31.802
we need to have a color to

00:34:31.862 --> 00:34:33.884
contrast where we're cutting.

00:34:34.443 --> 00:34:36.204
Because if we just carve it like that,

00:34:36.224 --> 00:34:38.967
we're just going to see the wood

00:34:39.887 --> 00:34:40.847
And we don't want to see

00:34:40.867 --> 00:34:41.947
like what we're carving.

00:34:42.447 --> 00:34:44.849
So first we have to paint

00:34:44.889 --> 00:34:47.951
the wood or the lino red or

00:34:48.010 --> 00:34:48.592
another color.

00:34:48.652 --> 00:34:49.452
It can be another color.

00:34:50.152 --> 00:34:51.873
But it's used to make contrast.

00:34:51.893 --> 00:34:53.193
When you're carving, okay, oh,

00:34:53.273 --> 00:34:54.755
so I see where I'm carving.

00:34:55.876 --> 00:34:57.715
Yeah, in that piece, like as you said,

00:34:57.797 --> 00:35:00.137
the red part is the area I

00:35:00.157 --> 00:35:01.117
still have to carve.

00:35:02.458 --> 00:35:04.219
Yeah, I didn't have time to carve it.

00:35:05.318 --> 00:35:07.139
I don't know if some... I

00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.081
think just people that have

00:35:09.442 --> 00:35:11.284
experience with cutting,

00:35:11.704 --> 00:35:15.347
they will know the difference.

00:35:15.568 --> 00:35:16.809
But you do add color to some

00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:17.809
of your pieces, though, right?

00:35:18.030 --> 00:35:18.269
Yeah.

00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:18.751
Yeah.

00:35:23.927 --> 00:35:24.568
I haven't, yeah,

00:35:24.708 --> 00:35:26.331
like last year I started to

00:35:26.751 --> 00:35:28.132
try to incorporate,

00:35:28.152 --> 00:35:28.934
there are some pieces I

00:35:28.954 --> 00:35:29.974
have been doing with color

00:35:31.295 --> 00:35:32.056
because I said like,

00:35:33.438 --> 00:35:35.141
I also want to make my

00:35:35.221 --> 00:35:38.945
pieces colorful because I also,

00:35:39.005 --> 00:35:39.585
I say like,

00:35:39.646 --> 00:35:41.989
I come from a colorful culture.

00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.742
And I say I should start

00:35:45.782 --> 00:35:48.766
like incorporate color to my pieces.

00:35:50.586 --> 00:35:53.329
Actually, the next pieces I'm working on,

00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:55.753
that's one of the goals to

00:35:55.813 --> 00:35:57.054
incorporate color, you know.

00:35:59.275 --> 00:36:00.496
Yeah, but yeah,

00:36:00.516 --> 00:36:02.219
that's the way like I

00:36:02.259 --> 00:36:03.860
started to incorporate color too.

00:36:04.994 --> 00:36:06.755
Got you.

00:36:07.056 --> 00:36:07.835
Because growing up in the

00:36:07.856 --> 00:36:08.976
Oaxacan culture that's so

00:36:09.016 --> 00:36:10.516
full of color and life, it's like,

00:36:10.536 --> 00:36:11.896
I got to add some color to

00:36:11.936 --> 00:36:14.436
this bland thing going on.

00:36:14.896 --> 00:36:16.157
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:36:16.557 --> 00:36:17.197
I got you.

00:36:17.717 --> 00:36:18.137
I love that.

00:36:18.177 --> 00:36:19.438
You know, color, you know,

00:36:19.458 --> 00:36:20.778
what's kind of crazy is that I,

00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:21.599
in my opinion,

00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:22.878
it's like they give two

00:36:22.898 --> 00:36:24.059
different types of vibe, right?

00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:26.000
Like black and white give

00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:26.780
you a different vibe.

00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:28.561
And then having color also

00:36:28.581 --> 00:36:29.900
gives like a different type of vibe too,

00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:30.161
you know?

00:36:32.025 --> 00:36:33.025
I guess it just depends on

00:36:34.306 --> 00:36:35.547
the vibe you're trying to go for.

00:36:35.567 --> 00:36:37.608
Right?

00:36:38.469 --> 00:36:39.068
Yeah.

00:36:39.489 --> 00:36:41.431
Actually, when I carve my pieces,

00:36:41.550 --> 00:36:45.574
I like how they look on the wood.

00:36:45.934 --> 00:36:47.175
I like that texture and I

00:36:47.215 --> 00:36:48.014
like how they look.

00:36:49.835 --> 00:36:50.896
That's why when I print them,

00:36:51.536 --> 00:36:53.778
sometimes I don't like how

00:36:53.818 --> 00:36:55.039
they look on the prints.

00:36:56.621 --> 00:36:58.161
It will be only if I get like...

00:37:00.675 --> 00:37:03.197
a paper that's close to that color,

00:37:03.277 --> 00:37:06.079
you know, to keep the same, like,

00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:06.501
texture.

00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:09.943
But, yeah, most of the time I, like,

00:37:10.043 --> 00:37:11.865
I prefer my pieces like that.

00:37:12.246 --> 00:37:14.768
And it's also one of the reasons, like,

00:37:14.869 --> 00:37:15.809
I think, like,

00:37:16.650 --> 00:37:19.012
I don't print a lot of my stuff because,

00:37:20.012 --> 00:37:22.556
yeah, sometimes I'm like, you know what,

00:37:22.596 --> 00:37:23.556
they look nice.

00:37:23.617 --> 00:37:24.617
It looks nice like that.

00:37:24.657 --> 00:37:25.798
I don't want to print it.

00:37:26.621 --> 00:37:28.561
But then, you know,

00:37:29.061 --> 00:37:31.682
you have to sell to your art, you know,

00:37:31.702 --> 00:37:34.724
to, you know, and there's people that,

00:37:34.764 --> 00:37:35.764
you know, okay,

00:37:35.824 --> 00:37:37.726
I would like to have a print, you know?

00:37:38.445 --> 00:37:38.726
Okay.

00:37:38.766 --> 00:37:38.945
Yeah.

00:37:39.567 --> 00:37:41.588
But like, yeah, for me, it's like,

00:37:42.507 --> 00:37:43.407
I prefer like that.

00:37:44.168 --> 00:37:44.389
No.

00:37:44.449 --> 00:37:44.728
Yeah.

00:37:45.429 --> 00:37:46.289
But Hey, sometimes, you know,

00:37:46.309 --> 00:37:47.949
you gotta supply the demand.

00:37:47.969 --> 00:37:48.550
You know what I mean?

00:37:48.570 --> 00:37:48.650
Yeah.

00:37:49.864 --> 00:37:51.164
And you know what I learned

00:37:51.204 --> 00:37:52.304
sometimes as artists is and

00:37:52.324 --> 00:37:53.625
I guess in the business world, too,

00:37:53.664 --> 00:37:56.146
sometimes is this like you

00:37:56.166 --> 00:37:57.666
may personally or we as the

00:37:57.746 --> 00:37:58.865
creators may personally

00:37:58.907 --> 00:38:01.067
feel a certain way about something.

00:38:01.606 --> 00:38:03.547
But then the customer or the

00:38:03.648 --> 00:38:04.867
audience may be like, hey,

00:38:05.347 --> 00:38:06.548
I really like this when you

00:38:06.588 --> 00:38:07.789
do this or I really like it.

00:38:07.849 --> 00:38:10.090
That's when you're like, well, OK, well,

00:38:10.130 --> 00:38:11.469
if you want it, then you go.

00:38:12.351 --> 00:38:13.492
Yeah, just buy the gold.

00:38:15.514 --> 00:38:17.976
Yeah, because people also, like,

00:38:18.036 --> 00:38:19.057
ask me about, like, oh,

00:38:19.418 --> 00:38:21.119
are you selling the original, like,

00:38:21.219 --> 00:38:21.699
the woodcut?

00:38:22.181 --> 00:38:23.101
And I'm like, no,

00:38:23.181 --> 00:38:25.123
because this is the original,

00:38:25.224 --> 00:38:26.905
and this is where I get the prints,

00:38:27.005 --> 00:38:27.304
you know?

00:38:27.806 --> 00:38:28.847
If I sell it, like,

00:38:28.907 --> 00:38:30.347
maybe that person is going to, like,

00:38:30.507 --> 00:38:31.789
reproduce a piece, you know?

00:38:32.869 --> 00:38:33.311
Yeah,

00:38:33.490 --> 00:38:34.672
and how would you protect yourself

00:38:34.711 --> 00:38:35.092
from that?

00:38:35.873 --> 00:38:36.893
Yeah, that's it.

00:38:37.677 --> 00:38:38.056
Oh, you know,

00:38:38.237 --> 00:38:39.018
a good way you could probably

00:38:39.057 --> 00:38:41.398
do it is if you carved your name into it,

00:38:41.998 --> 00:38:43.119
then that could probably protect it.

00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:47.822
It could be also used like I

00:38:47.862 --> 00:38:51.222
wanted to try to seal them, use like,

00:38:51.463 --> 00:38:51.864
I don't know,

00:38:51.903 --> 00:38:53.364
like resin or something like that.

00:38:54.005 --> 00:39:00.128
So it would be much harder to print.

00:39:00.208 --> 00:39:00.487
Yeah,

00:39:01.467 --> 00:39:03.409
because that would be actually

00:39:03.429 --> 00:39:04.429
probably a good way

00:39:06.061 --> 00:39:06.961
pretty profitable, right?

00:39:06.981 --> 00:39:08.103
If you actually sold the original,

00:39:08.123 --> 00:39:09.324
you could probably make

00:39:09.344 --> 00:39:10.164
some good money off of it.

00:39:11.045 --> 00:39:11.364
Yeah.

00:39:11.806 --> 00:39:14.927
But, uh, it will be much, much, uh,

00:39:14.967 --> 00:39:16.009
how to say, um,

00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:19.931
expensive or like expensive

00:39:19.972 --> 00:39:22.293
because like the prints you say, you know,

00:39:22.574 --> 00:39:24.155
you can sell it like lower

00:39:24.195 --> 00:39:25.637
than the original piece, you know?

00:39:25.817 --> 00:39:26.137
Yeah.

00:39:27.838 --> 00:39:28.338
Exactly.

00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.201
It's another, another, uh, another, uh,

00:39:31.240 --> 00:39:33.143
thing I like trying to like, uh,

00:39:34.735 --> 00:39:38.797
to price my pieces.

00:39:39.657 --> 00:39:40.958
I think that's one of the

00:39:42.177 --> 00:39:44.398
difficult things about an

00:39:44.458 --> 00:39:48.021
artist is how to price your art.

00:39:48.041 --> 00:39:50.842
Because you want to sell it

00:39:52.902 --> 00:39:56.264
as much as you can to make a profit,

00:39:56.644 --> 00:39:57.224
but also

00:39:59.411 --> 00:40:00.592
there's gonna be people that,

00:40:01.492 --> 00:40:02.594
or it's gonna take time to

00:40:02.634 --> 00:40:03.255
sell your piece.

00:40:03.916 --> 00:40:06.599
And also like, if you lower your price,

00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:07.940
it's like,

00:40:09.081 --> 00:40:10.402
you're also giving like an

00:40:10.503 --> 00:40:11.965
image that your art is cheap.

00:40:12.664 --> 00:40:14.067
Yeah, yeah.

00:40:15.387 --> 00:40:15.789
Yeah,

00:40:15.849 --> 00:40:19.351
that's one of the things like we have

00:40:19.371 --> 00:40:20.574
to figure as an artist.

00:40:21.018 --> 00:40:21.277
Definitely.

00:40:21.318 --> 00:40:22.519
That's definitely one of the

00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:23.701
hardest things as artists

00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:24.862
is the business side of it

00:40:25.362 --> 00:40:26.684
is knowing how to handle the business.

00:40:26.704 --> 00:40:28.646
We know how to do the creative side,

00:40:28.666 --> 00:40:30.688
but we just don't know our worth.

00:40:31.329 --> 00:40:32.550
And there's some people and

00:40:32.590 --> 00:40:33.391
you've probably seen them.

00:40:33.952 --> 00:40:34.532
You see there,

00:40:34.552 --> 00:40:35.293
you probably look at their

00:40:35.333 --> 00:40:36.815
work and you're like, wow,

00:40:36.835 --> 00:40:37.936
they're charging this much.

00:40:38.056 --> 00:40:38.918
It's not even that good.

00:40:40.023 --> 00:40:43.605
And sometimes I think that's

00:40:43.644 --> 00:40:44.405
kind of what it comes down

00:40:44.465 --> 00:40:46.266
to is like having the faith

00:40:46.306 --> 00:40:47.085
and the belief that your

00:40:47.326 --> 00:40:49.367
work is worth a certain amount.

00:40:50.106 --> 00:40:51.786
And I've been learning too

00:40:51.847 --> 00:40:54.047
that sometimes you can kind

00:40:54.088 --> 00:40:55.628
of like push the envelope a

00:40:55.668 --> 00:40:57.208
little bit and people will

00:40:58.188 --> 00:40:59.289
agree that hey this the art

00:40:59.349 --> 00:41:00.471
is the art is worth this

00:41:00.550 --> 00:41:02.632
much and especially if you

00:41:03.393 --> 00:41:04.494
especially if you start to

00:41:04.514 --> 00:41:05.855
like have a conversation

00:41:05.875 --> 00:41:06.695
with people and like like

00:41:06.715 --> 00:41:08.697
hey this is done by hand

00:41:09.057 --> 00:41:09.797
this takes me this amount

00:41:09.818 --> 00:41:11.380
of time I need this like

00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:12.099
you know like you start to

00:41:12.139 --> 00:41:13.061
break it down for people

00:41:13.081 --> 00:41:16.023
then like oh wow like yeah

00:41:17.063 --> 00:41:19.106
yeah when I when I try to

00:41:19.206 --> 00:41:20.467
when I exhibit I also

00:41:20.586 --> 00:41:22.449
always I don't know I

00:41:22.469 --> 00:41:23.969
always want to try to like

00:41:24.675 --> 00:41:27.836
have the original, they have the copy,

00:41:27.856 --> 00:41:28.197
you know,

00:41:28.237 --> 00:41:32.259
so people can see like what was

00:41:32.278 --> 00:41:34.099
the work behind that, the print.

00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:35.860
Because sometimes they just

00:41:36.001 --> 00:41:38.782
see the print and they say, oh,

00:41:39.161 --> 00:41:40.623
it's just a drawing, you know,

00:41:40.643 --> 00:41:42.923
it's easy to do.

00:41:43.483 --> 00:41:45.545
But when you see like how it's carved,

00:41:45.585 --> 00:41:47.306
like all the cuts I had to do,

00:41:47.865 --> 00:41:50.646
it's like the people like can see like,

00:41:50.947 --> 00:41:52.628
okay, so it was this work.

00:41:53.922 --> 00:41:56.764
do this you know like uh

00:41:56.784 --> 00:41:58.525
yeah you used to see that

00:41:58.565 --> 00:41:59.945
the the work the hard work

00:41:59.965 --> 00:42:01.327
behind it yeah the work

00:42:01.367 --> 00:42:02.568
behind it the to make the

00:42:02.588 --> 00:42:04.148
beautiful work you know and

00:42:04.510 --> 00:42:05.449
uh correct me if I'm wrong

00:42:05.469 --> 00:42:07.030
cesar but you know you

00:42:07.092 --> 00:42:09.293
found this artwork when you

00:42:09.313 --> 00:42:10.353
went with your dad and your

00:42:10.373 --> 00:42:13.996
brother correct I found I

00:42:14.036 --> 00:42:15.597
found this this uh

00:42:16.949 --> 00:42:17.730
This type of art?

00:42:17.909 --> 00:42:18.550
This type of art?

00:42:18.751 --> 00:42:19.190
Okay, yeah.

00:42:19.311 --> 00:42:19.590
Right?

00:42:19.791 --> 00:42:21.873
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:21.913 --> 00:42:25.856
So, like I said, my dad is a woodworker.

00:42:26.817 --> 00:42:28.617
Like, he makes, like, you know, like,

00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:30.559
furnitures.

00:42:31.099 --> 00:42:31.981
He carves.

00:42:32.101 --> 00:42:34.242
He makes sculptures with wood.

00:42:35.284 --> 00:42:35.443
Yeah.

00:42:36.043 --> 00:42:38.567
But, like, actually, the wood carving,

00:42:38.586 --> 00:42:42.128
like, this technique,

00:42:42.208 --> 00:42:43.150
it was because of my dad

00:42:43.170 --> 00:42:44.710
because he took me,

00:42:45.331 --> 00:42:46.432
he took my brother and I

00:42:47.184 --> 00:42:52.769
to a linocut workshop in our community.

00:42:53.389 --> 00:42:54.831
And it was the first time I

00:42:54.871 --> 00:42:58.894
got like immersed in this technique.

00:43:00.056 --> 00:43:01.257
And because it was like a

00:43:01.416 --> 00:43:03.498
free workshop for the community,

00:43:04.018 --> 00:43:05.000
because in our community,

00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.581
we didn't have like a lot of like,

00:43:08.043 --> 00:43:09.123
how to say, like workshops.

00:43:09.704 --> 00:43:12.146
So it was, this thing was from the,

00:43:12.226 --> 00:43:15.148
like as a plan for the,

00:43:17.438 --> 00:43:18.119
by the government.

00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.539
The government brought those

00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:21.820
workshops to the community.

00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:24.420
And yeah,

00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:25.802
it was the first time I got

00:43:25.902 --> 00:43:26.902
immersed in that technique.

00:43:29.123 --> 00:43:31.724
And then it was like two

00:43:31.784 --> 00:43:32.963
workshops or three.

00:43:34.833 --> 00:43:36.853
And like we stopped doing it

00:43:36.893 --> 00:43:39.215
because there was no more workshops.

00:43:39.894 --> 00:43:41.635
And also like to get the tools over there,

00:43:41.655 --> 00:43:43.016
it was expensive.

00:43:43.036 --> 00:43:45.416
The only way you could get

00:43:45.456 --> 00:43:47.277
the materials if you live in the city,

00:43:48.297 --> 00:43:53.059
which it was like 45 meters

00:43:53.099 --> 00:43:54.360
from where we live.

00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.141
And like it's just expensive.

00:43:57.181 --> 00:43:58.121
Like living over there is

00:43:58.181 --> 00:43:59.601
like expensive to go to the city,

00:43:59.621 --> 00:43:59.902
you know?

00:44:00.387 --> 00:44:02.947
We didn't used to go that

00:44:03.027 --> 00:44:05.088
often to the city.

00:44:05.349 --> 00:44:06.309
Yeah, and like I said,

00:44:06.409 --> 00:44:08.969
to get those materials, it was expensive.

00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:11.590
Yeah, that makes sense.

00:44:12.911 --> 00:44:14.351
The reason why I brought it up, Cesar,

00:44:14.391 --> 00:44:17.072
is because, you know... I'm sorry,

00:44:17.112 --> 00:44:17.751
did I interrupt you?

00:44:18.773 --> 00:44:19.572
No, it's okay, no.

00:44:20.032 --> 00:44:21.313
So the reason why I brought it up, Cesar,

00:44:21.333 --> 00:44:22.233
is because, you know,

00:44:22.393 --> 00:44:23.134
you came across this

00:44:23.153 --> 00:44:25.735
beautiful art form with your family,

00:44:25.775 --> 00:44:25.954
right?

00:44:25.994 --> 00:44:27.394
With your father and your brother.

00:44:27.414 --> 00:44:28.255
Do you...

00:44:29.648 --> 00:44:30.907
Do you plan on passing this

00:44:31.528 --> 00:44:32.568
or sharing this art form

00:44:32.588 --> 00:44:35.550
down eventually if you have kids?

00:44:35.929 --> 00:44:36.969
I'm assuming you don't have kids,

00:44:37.309 --> 00:44:38.190
but probably want kids.

00:44:38.690 --> 00:44:41.311
Do you plan on sharing art

00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:43.791
with your children when you have them?

00:44:45.251 --> 00:44:45.632
Yeah,

00:44:45.771 --> 00:44:47.172
if I have the chance or the

00:44:47.193 --> 00:44:49.492
opportunity to have a kid.

00:44:49.532 --> 00:44:52.233
Right now it's not in my plan, but yeah,

00:44:52.253 --> 00:44:56.034
I would like to pass down that technique.

00:44:57.503 --> 00:44:59.025
But not only to them, you know,

00:44:59.164 --> 00:45:00.824
use to the next generation.

00:45:00.844 --> 00:45:04.007
Like, I don't want this technique to,

00:45:04.266 --> 00:45:08.527
you know, get lost or, yeah.

00:45:09.509 --> 00:45:10.289
That's why like,

00:45:10.469 --> 00:45:11.389
that's one of the purpose

00:45:11.429 --> 00:45:12.630
also like of the,

00:45:12.889 --> 00:45:14.389
or the goals from the

00:45:15.590 --> 00:45:16.911
collective where I belong to.

00:45:17.070 --> 00:45:19.552
It's a printmaking collective.

00:45:19.632 --> 00:45:21.672
It's called Grafica Nocturna.

00:45:23.592 --> 00:45:24.273
It's a printmaking,

00:45:26.048 --> 00:45:28.851
collecting that was worn

00:45:28.891 --> 00:45:29.972
here in San Bernardino.

00:45:30.692 --> 00:45:33.353
And like I say,

00:45:35.934 --> 00:45:37.695
it was created by local

00:45:37.835 --> 00:45:42.679
artists that got interest to, you know,

00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:43.780
to promote this technique.

00:45:46.083 --> 00:45:46.985
And like I said,

00:45:47.005 --> 00:45:50.728
it was thanks to the artist

00:45:50.809 --> 00:45:53.032
in residence at Studio Aire

00:45:53.771 --> 00:45:55.393
where the collective started.

00:45:58.237 --> 00:45:59.237
Because like I said,

00:45:59.958 --> 00:46:02.461
I had this large piece I

00:46:02.501 --> 00:46:06.445
wanted to create and I wanted to

00:46:08.324 --> 00:46:09.646
to get the community involved.

00:46:10.186 --> 00:46:11.907
And I invited some artists

00:46:11.947 --> 00:46:13.648
that I got to know here,

00:46:14.289 --> 00:46:15.489
and artists in residence

00:46:15.710 --> 00:46:16.990
that were after me.

00:46:17.612 --> 00:46:20.653
And I was teaching some of them,

00:46:20.853 --> 00:46:22.155
sharing my knowledge,

00:46:24.257 --> 00:46:25.818
because some of them were beginners.

00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:28.639
And that's how we started.

00:46:28.699 --> 00:46:29.541
Then after that,

00:46:29.601 --> 00:46:30.601
we had the opportunity to

00:46:30.661 --> 00:46:32.722
showcase that piece at the

00:46:32.782 --> 00:46:36.025
Cheech Marine Center in Riverside.

00:46:38.094 --> 00:46:39.615
And after that, it was like, oh,

00:46:39.635 --> 00:46:40.077
you know what?

00:46:41.038 --> 00:46:42.179
We should create a collective.

00:46:43.139 --> 00:46:44.521
We like how we work together.

00:46:45.141 --> 00:46:47.262
And that's when we started

00:46:47.302 --> 00:46:52.106
to create this collective with Julissa,

00:46:53.367 --> 00:46:57.291
Brenda, Sarah, Adam.

00:46:57.311 --> 00:46:59.954
Those are some of the first

00:46:59.974 --> 00:47:03.277
people that started to get

00:47:03.356 --> 00:47:05.157
interested in the printmaking.

00:47:06.289 --> 00:47:09.110
Adam and Sarah, they already had, like,

00:47:09.170 --> 00:47:10.952
experience, like, some experience, like,

00:47:11.391 --> 00:47:12.112
doing pre-making.

00:47:14.193 --> 00:47:16.356
So, yeah, that's how, like,

00:47:16.815 --> 00:47:19.117
the collective was started.

00:47:19.257 --> 00:47:20.719
And, you know, that's a goal, like,

00:47:20.798 --> 00:47:24.581
promote and getting people, like, more,

00:47:24.621 --> 00:47:26.322
like, interact, you know,

00:47:26.362 --> 00:47:27.422
with that technique.

00:47:28.782 --> 00:47:29.061
Awesome.

00:47:29.081 --> 00:47:29.742
And it's so great that you

00:47:29.782 --> 00:47:30.543
brought it up because I was

00:47:30.563 --> 00:47:31.344
going to ask you like,

00:47:31.364 --> 00:47:33.786
how did Grafica Naterna, Naterna,

00:47:33.905 --> 00:47:35.726
how did it start and things like that?

00:47:35.746 --> 00:47:36.427
And so basically,

00:47:36.847 --> 00:47:37.927
cause you're the co-creator, right?

00:47:37.967 --> 00:47:38.688
Co-founder of it.

00:47:39.148 --> 00:47:39.389
Yeah.

00:47:39.449 --> 00:47:41.070
I'm a, one of the co-creators of the,

00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:41.351
yeah.

00:47:41.371 --> 00:47:43.192
I was curious, like, I was like,

00:47:43.211 --> 00:47:44.052
how did it start?

00:47:44.472 --> 00:47:45.574
And so basically you guys are just like,

00:47:45.594 --> 00:47:46.853
we want to bring this

00:47:46.934 --> 00:47:48.355
printmaking style to the

00:47:48.394 --> 00:47:50.277
community and make it all stuff.

00:47:50.876 --> 00:47:51.157
Yeah.

00:47:51.797 --> 00:47:53.759
Because like I said, um, before, uh,

00:47:56.586 --> 00:47:58.688
In Oaxaca, you can see this,

00:47:58.768 --> 00:47:59.969
like there's a lot of workshops,

00:48:00.090 --> 00:48:02.271
pre-making workshops in the city,

00:48:02.311 --> 00:48:02.672
you know?

00:48:03.293 --> 00:48:03.552
Yeah.

00:48:04.112 --> 00:48:08.016
And it's like seeing like,

00:48:08.137 --> 00:48:09.237
how can I explain it?

00:48:09.378 --> 00:48:11.940
It's like if you see like

00:48:13.300 --> 00:48:14.681
fast foods or McDonald's.

00:48:15.101 --> 00:48:17.264
Got you, on every corner, on every corner.

00:48:17.284 --> 00:48:18.324
It's like that,

00:48:19.166 --> 00:48:21.668
you see like pre-making studios and like,

00:48:22.740 --> 00:48:24.942
You see one in the corner and another one,

00:48:24.981 --> 00:48:25.242
you know.

00:48:25.481 --> 00:48:26.181
On another corner.

00:48:27.021 --> 00:48:27.322
Yeah,

00:48:27.342 --> 00:48:28.742
and you see it on the streets too

00:48:28.842 --> 00:48:32.463
because they use the walls as canvas.

00:48:33.463 --> 00:48:33.963
I love that.

00:48:34.184 --> 00:48:35.643
But here in San Bernardino,

00:48:35.764 --> 00:48:37.905
like I didn't see that or I

00:48:37.945 --> 00:48:40.365
don't see very often here

00:48:40.385 --> 00:48:41.065
in San Bernardino.

00:48:41.985 --> 00:48:42.425
Gotcha.

00:48:43.405 --> 00:48:44.306
You know one thing that I

00:48:44.347 --> 00:48:45.967
liked is that when you guys

00:48:46.007 --> 00:48:46.646
make your boots,

00:48:47.106 --> 00:48:47.788
you guys like make like

00:48:47.807 --> 00:48:49.367
little temporary tattoos with it.

00:48:50.557 --> 00:48:51.378
I really like that.

00:48:51.418 --> 00:48:52.338
How did that idea come about?

00:48:52.358 --> 00:48:52.938
I really like that.

00:48:52.958 --> 00:48:56.760
That's super cool.

00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:59.481
I wouldn't say we didn't create it,

00:48:59.541 --> 00:49:01.041
because there's some

00:49:01.081 --> 00:49:02.523
printmakers that do that.

00:49:04.003 --> 00:49:06.384
But I will say that here in

00:49:06.423 --> 00:49:08.224
the Inland Empire,

00:49:08.244 --> 00:49:09.264
we have been one of the

00:49:09.304 --> 00:49:12.726
first that have been

00:49:12.826 --> 00:49:16.327
exploring this way of printmaking.

00:49:17.922 --> 00:49:20.543
the most and it started

00:49:20.563 --> 00:49:24.045
because some members of the collective,

00:49:24.786 --> 00:49:26.367
like female members,

00:49:27.106 --> 00:49:28.668
they had this like project.

00:49:29.268 --> 00:49:31.289
It was more like a performance also,

00:49:31.708 --> 00:49:32.690
performance and like

00:49:32.730 --> 00:49:35.931
project where they created these pieces

00:49:39.463 --> 00:49:41.626
And then they will have the

00:49:41.646 --> 00:49:42.666
performance where they

00:49:43.646 --> 00:49:45.248
tattoo themselves with that.

00:49:45.708 --> 00:49:47.369
And at that moment, before that,

00:49:47.429 --> 00:49:53.795
we were looking for ways to how to tattoo,

00:49:53.896 --> 00:49:55.257
how to get those printed on the skin.

00:49:59.590 --> 00:50:00.652
That's how I started with

00:50:00.672 --> 00:50:03.333
that performance.

00:50:03.873 --> 00:50:04.713
And that same day,

00:50:04.934 --> 00:50:06.614
we had a band in Riverside

00:50:07.255 --> 00:50:11.016
when we started to implement this thing.

00:50:11.757 --> 00:50:13.318
And we started to notice

00:50:13.338 --> 00:50:14.739
that people loved that.

00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:17.221
And since then,

00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:19.081
people have been interested.

00:50:20.202 --> 00:50:21.963
Because they like the interaction.

00:50:22.202 --> 00:50:23.043
They like to interact.

00:50:23.483 --> 00:50:27.065
And to see that, it's like, oh, wow.

00:50:27.266 --> 00:50:28.427
I didn't know you could do that.

00:50:31.452 --> 00:50:36.356
It's always crazy how the

00:50:36.436 --> 00:50:37.336
collective has grown

00:50:37.797 --> 00:50:39.677
because now we have been

00:50:39.737 --> 00:50:41.480
invited by organizations.

00:50:45.922 --> 00:50:47.423
Just recently we have been

00:50:48.425 --> 00:50:51.086
offered to work with UCR

00:50:52.467 --> 00:50:53.688
for a series of workshops.

00:50:54.630 --> 00:50:56.391
congratulations oh thank you

00:50:56.532 --> 00:50:58.411
we also work with uh chafee

00:50:58.612 --> 00:51:00.413
I mean yeah chafee college

00:51:01.793 --> 00:51:05.034
uh and uh I always still

00:51:05.054 --> 00:51:06.394
like talking about if you

00:51:06.835 --> 00:51:09.255
want to go to the uh what's

00:51:09.275 --> 00:51:13.277
this um ontario museum okay yeah

00:51:15.023 --> 00:51:15.744
Yeah, but I mean,

00:51:16.143 --> 00:51:17.846
and also like we have been

00:51:17.885 --> 00:51:18.967
included in grants.

00:51:20.168 --> 00:51:21.110
The next project we want to

00:51:21.130 --> 00:51:23.032
work on is going to be a

00:51:23.072 --> 00:51:25.074
project with PC4EG.

00:51:25.094 --> 00:51:27.797
I don't know if you're familiar with it.

00:51:27.896 --> 00:51:28.958
No, tell us what that is.

00:51:29.197 --> 00:51:30.219
Explain a little bit what that is.

00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:30.880
Yeah,

00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:33.222
it's a nonprofit organization that

00:51:33.302 --> 00:51:33.742
works for...

00:51:35.728 --> 00:51:41.150
how do you say, environmental justice.

00:51:41.829 --> 00:51:43.731
Okay, like clean air, clean water.

00:51:44.251 --> 00:51:46.411
Clean water and house affordability,

00:51:46.811 --> 00:51:47.490
all those issues,

00:51:47.550 --> 00:51:49.452
like to let people know

00:51:49.512 --> 00:51:52.192
about and to give the community tools,

00:51:52.291 --> 00:51:55.413
you know, to get to know about,

00:51:57.293 --> 00:51:57.992
like you said,

00:51:58.012 --> 00:51:59.112
like the house affordability,

00:51:59.833 --> 00:52:01.193
like we want to work with

00:52:01.333 --> 00:52:02.614
them in a project about...

00:52:03.967 --> 00:52:05.789
how the airport is like uh

00:52:05.929 --> 00:52:08.070
the impact of the airport

00:52:08.130 --> 00:52:10.050
in the communities that are

00:52:10.311 --> 00:52:12.193
uh close to the airport

00:52:12.853 --> 00:52:13.992
yeah how it's affecting

00:52:14.333 --> 00:52:17.114
those communities wow yeah

00:52:17.155 --> 00:52:17.795
we want to work on

00:52:17.815 --> 00:52:20.556
developing a series of

00:52:20.597 --> 00:52:22.998
workshops uh to work with

00:52:23.038 --> 00:52:26.380
them yeah we're still like

00:52:26.659 --> 00:52:27.581
we're still gonna met

00:52:28.358 --> 00:52:30.800
or start working on that for, I think,

00:52:30.820 --> 00:52:31.679
next, this month.

00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:32.880
Nice.

00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.340
Already March, yeah.

00:52:34.481 --> 00:52:35.422
Cesar,

00:52:35.442 --> 00:52:36.722
I want to congratulate you on that

00:52:36.782 --> 00:52:37.182
project.

00:52:37.222 --> 00:52:39.304
Congratulations on that group,

00:52:39.324 --> 00:52:39.903
that collective.

00:52:39.923 --> 00:52:41.385
I also want to congratulate

00:52:41.405 --> 00:52:42.226
you on that exhibit,

00:52:42.246 --> 00:52:43.626
the one that we saw with

00:52:44.166 --> 00:52:44.987
the housing harvest.

00:52:45.027 --> 00:52:46.248
I want to congratulate you on that.

00:52:46.268 --> 00:52:47.248
I know that was something

00:52:47.268 --> 00:52:48.969
that was really recent and very big.

00:52:48.989 --> 00:52:50.829
So I wanted to congratulate

00:52:50.849 --> 00:52:51.791
you on that as well.

00:52:52.731 --> 00:52:53.012
You know,

00:52:53.132 --> 00:52:54.512
I was going through some of your

00:52:54.552 --> 00:52:56.072
work and I saw that there

00:52:56.092 --> 00:52:56.954
was some anime that,

00:52:57.873 --> 00:52:59.414
you know, your work.

00:52:59.474 --> 00:53:01.114
So talk to me about,

00:53:01.135 --> 00:53:02.954
do you have some anime influence in your,

00:53:03.135 --> 00:53:03.775
in your artwork?

00:53:06.896 --> 00:53:07.518
Okay.

00:53:08.697 --> 00:53:09.918
Well, since I was a kid,

00:53:10.018 --> 00:53:11.059
I think like the only,

00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:12.280
the only anime side,

00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.461
like I was like exposed to was like,

00:53:17.927 --> 00:53:19.329
The first one was, like, Dragon Ball.

00:53:19.349 --> 00:53:20.869
It was, like, one of the first.

00:53:22.510 --> 00:53:24.532
Pokemon, like, Yu-Gi-Oh!

00:53:26.253 --> 00:53:27.974
Those are... But I wasn't, like, a big fan,

00:53:28.014 --> 00:53:28.894
like, of anime.

00:53:29.675 --> 00:53:32.818
And then when I started to

00:53:32.918 --> 00:53:35.518
customize shoes and jackets, like,

00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.400
a lot of, like, teams, like...

00:53:38.742 --> 00:53:41.684
for the shoes or for those pieces,

00:53:42.525 --> 00:53:44.967
people always ask me, like anime, like,

00:53:44.987 --> 00:53:46.969
you know, could you do this character?

00:53:47.028 --> 00:53:48.088
Could you do this one?

00:53:49.030 --> 00:53:50.811
And I was like, yeah,

00:53:50.931 --> 00:53:52.893
I started to get more exposed to anime.

00:53:54.534 --> 00:53:55.735
And that's how I like

00:53:56.054 --> 00:53:58.356
started to like get curious about, oh,

00:53:58.717 --> 00:54:00.338
what is this anime about?

00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:05.670
And then I started to watch anime.

00:54:06.532 --> 00:54:08.913
And I think people have this

00:54:09.112 --> 00:54:10.634
misconception about anime

00:54:11.193 --> 00:54:12.414
that it's just for kids.

00:54:14.436 --> 00:54:15.936
This is your, like, you know, cartoon.

00:54:16.797 --> 00:54:21.059
But, like, a lot of them, they are dark.

00:54:21.099 --> 00:54:21.679
They are deep.

00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:24.320
They're definitely not for kids.

00:54:24.340 --> 00:54:25.061
They're definitely for...

00:54:26.724 --> 00:54:28.965
way beyond kids yeah because

00:54:29.184 --> 00:54:30.164
like I said people think

00:54:30.204 --> 00:54:31.465
it's for child you know but

00:54:32.005 --> 00:54:33.867
no that and I think a lot

00:54:33.887 --> 00:54:35.047
of people are missing like

00:54:35.226 --> 00:54:38.148
really good shows uh from

00:54:38.248 --> 00:54:39.728
anime like anime shows you

00:54:39.768 --> 00:54:41.648
know they're uh yeah and

00:54:41.688 --> 00:54:43.429
that's uh like how I like

00:54:43.989 --> 00:54:44.791
started to get involved

00:54:44.811 --> 00:54:47.811
with uh or like I'm a fan

00:54:47.911 --> 00:54:49.072
of anime you know but I'm

00:54:49.112 --> 00:54:50.853
not like at that level of

00:54:50.893 --> 00:54:52.233
like you know cosplaying

00:54:52.293 --> 00:54:54.074
and like going to um

00:54:55.215 --> 00:54:58.317
conventions or buying stuff.

00:54:58.516 --> 00:55:00.097
No, it's like, it's more like,

00:55:00.177 --> 00:55:01.617
I just want to, I just like to watch it,

00:55:01.737 --> 00:55:01.998
you know?

00:55:02.097 --> 00:55:02.458
Got you.

00:55:02.697 --> 00:55:03.717
You're not cosplay yet.

00:55:03.797 --> 00:55:04.038
Soon.

00:55:04.097 --> 00:55:05.259
Maybe next year you'll be cosplay.

00:55:05.278 --> 00:55:05.739
Maybe next year.

00:55:06.918 --> 00:55:07.398
Probably.

00:55:07.838 --> 00:55:09.679
Probably maybe for Halloween.

00:55:10.539 --> 00:55:11.760
Yeah.

00:55:12.139 --> 00:55:14.521
You know, and I wanted to ask you because,

00:55:15.260 --> 00:55:17.621
you know, you started drawing, you know,

00:55:17.641 --> 00:55:18.601
this anime character on

00:55:18.661 --> 00:55:20.362
shoes and on different clothing.

00:55:21.123 --> 00:55:21.342
How...

00:55:22.333 --> 00:55:24.034
How different is your

00:55:24.074 --> 00:55:26.735
mindset and the ideas when

00:55:26.755 --> 00:55:29.458
you're doing these artworks

00:55:29.518 --> 00:55:31.318
on clothes versus when

00:55:31.338 --> 00:55:32.619
you're doing the artwork on

00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:33.981
wood with the tools?

00:55:35.362 --> 00:55:40.465
Okay, so yeah, I can answer that.

00:55:41.565 --> 00:55:41.766
Okay,

00:55:41.786 --> 00:55:43.347
when I do like anime or like

00:55:43.427 --> 00:55:45.429
customized pieces, it's like...

00:55:46.402 --> 00:55:47.503
I already have the idea

00:55:47.563 --> 00:55:50.027
because most of people come

00:55:50.047 --> 00:55:50.867
with suggestions.

00:55:50.907 --> 00:55:51.809
You know, oh, you know what?

00:55:52.150 --> 00:55:52.670
I want this.

00:55:52.769 --> 00:55:53.751
Could you do it like this

00:55:53.851 --> 00:55:54.672
with these colors?

00:55:56.635 --> 00:55:57.496
And I was like, okay.

00:55:57.576 --> 00:55:59.737
And it's much easier because, I mean,

00:55:59.757 --> 00:56:01.019
the design is already made.

00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:01.920
You know, the character,

00:56:02.001 --> 00:56:02.961
I don't have to create the

00:56:03.001 --> 00:56:03.922
character for you.

00:56:04.202 --> 00:56:04.583
You know what?

00:56:05.481 --> 00:56:09.605
And yeah, it's much easier, you know,

00:56:09.664 --> 00:56:12.467
I just get reference from the internet,

00:56:12.487 --> 00:56:12.807
you know,

00:56:13.367 --> 00:56:15.610
and then I try just to like make

00:56:15.670 --> 00:56:18.291
it fit or like I use

00:56:18.391 --> 00:56:20.213
Procreate to like give an

00:56:20.293 --> 00:56:21.335
idea like how they're going

00:56:21.355 --> 00:56:25.518
to look and also to give

00:56:25.538 --> 00:56:26.878
the customer an idea of how

00:56:26.898 --> 00:56:27.478
they're going to look.

00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.221
And it's much easier, you know,

00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:33.423
to do that because when I do my work,

00:56:34.045 --> 00:56:36.445
there's more work going in

00:56:36.505 --> 00:56:38.226
that because for like,

00:56:38.427 --> 00:56:40.588
I have to get the idea, uh,

00:56:40.648 --> 00:56:41.608
how I'm going to do it.

00:56:41.708 --> 00:56:44.248
And then like, if I need references,

00:56:44.389 --> 00:56:45.750
I have to take, well, I,

00:56:46.050 --> 00:56:48.871
most of the time I prefer to, to take, uh,

00:56:48.951 --> 00:56:50.532
photo references for my pieces.

00:56:51.592 --> 00:56:53.974
Uh, and I, I like to use, like,

00:56:54.014 --> 00:56:56.034
like I said, like people I know, people I,

00:56:56.054 --> 00:56:59.476
uh, I have an interaction with, um,

00:57:00.076 --> 00:57:01.836
because in that way I can like,

00:57:03.288 --> 00:57:03.688
I'm sorry.

00:57:03.788 --> 00:57:06.070
I can tell them like, okay,

00:57:06.090 --> 00:57:07.371
I want you to do this pose.

00:57:07.451 --> 00:57:08.411
I want you to do that.

00:57:09.791 --> 00:57:12.273
And yeah, it's much, it's much,

00:57:12.554 --> 00:57:14.155
there's more work behind my

00:57:14.695 --> 00:57:17.416
artwork than the pieces I

00:57:17.456 --> 00:57:18.617
do for like customers or

00:57:18.637 --> 00:57:19.619
like customized pieces.

00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:21.460
And are you,

00:57:21.699 --> 00:57:22.701
are you still considering

00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:24.461
doing some more customized pieces again?

00:57:24.521 --> 00:57:25.543
Maybe jumping back into that

00:57:25.583 --> 00:57:26.222
world a little bit?

00:57:27.503 --> 00:57:30.106
Yeah, actually I have, I opened my,

00:57:31.202 --> 00:57:33.364
commissions uh last month

00:57:34.423 --> 00:57:35.545
yeah and I have some pieces

00:57:35.565 --> 00:57:36.985
like I'm uh I'm still

00:57:37.005 --> 00:57:40.387
working on uh yeah but I

00:57:40.427 --> 00:57:43.007
think I I'm more like uh

00:57:43.108 --> 00:57:45.108
focused on right now on uh

00:57:45.248 --> 00:57:47.610
my work by the uh the wood

00:57:47.650 --> 00:57:51.431
cuttings um but uh yeah I

00:57:51.452 --> 00:57:53.052
just try to find a balance

00:57:53.072 --> 00:57:57.695
you know uh yeah to do this and

00:57:59.168 --> 00:58:00.050
do the other one, you know?

00:58:00.469 --> 00:58:00.869
Yeah.

00:58:01.190 --> 00:58:01.271
Yeah.

00:58:01.291 --> 00:58:02.530
I used to find that about us.

00:58:02.652 --> 00:58:03.072
Yeah.

00:58:03.552 --> 00:58:03.751
You know,

00:58:03.771 --> 00:58:05.693
the good part about it is that in

00:58:05.713 --> 00:58:06.333
the end of the day,

00:58:06.454 --> 00:58:08.675
it's still art and you're creating art.

00:58:08.936 --> 00:58:09.436
You know what I mean?

00:58:10.155 --> 00:58:12.878
You're not dumping cement or

00:58:13.438 --> 00:58:14.278
emptying trash.

00:58:14.318 --> 00:58:14.920
You know, it's like,

00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.400
regardless if you do this

00:58:16.481 --> 00:58:17.400
or regardless if you do that,

00:58:17.902 --> 00:58:18.621
you're creating art.

00:58:18.802 --> 00:58:19.722
So that's the good part about it.

00:58:19.762 --> 00:58:19.963
Right.

00:58:21.204 --> 00:58:21.403
Yeah.

00:58:22.083 --> 00:58:22.224
Right.

00:58:22.744 --> 00:58:25.867
So what's something that

00:58:26.106 --> 00:58:27.467
most people don't know about you?

00:58:29.132 --> 00:58:29.992
Even close friends.

00:58:31.934 --> 00:58:32.813
Only close friends?

00:58:33.213 --> 00:58:34.215
Even close friends.

00:58:34.695 --> 00:58:35.655
Not even your close friends.

00:58:35.855 --> 00:58:36.835
What's something that people

00:58:36.856 --> 00:58:37.516
don't know about you?

00:58:41.117 --> 00:58:42.157
Don't know about me?

00:58:44.538 --> 00:58:46.798
I don't know if they know I'm messy.

00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.740
But when I work,

00:58:52.380 --> 00:58:54.402
I have all the tools everywhere.

00:58:54.422 --> 00:58:56.842
I think when I work with them, they

00:58:58.751 --> 00:58:59.431
It's like, you know,

00:58:59.452 --> 00:59:01.572
you are more aware about your space.

00:59:02.313 --> 00:59:03.793
But, yeah, but I think, like,

00:59:03.813 --> 00:59:05.153
when I work by myself, like,

00:59:05.853 --> 00:59:07.974
when I'm really messy, like, I have, like,

00:59:08.554 --> 00:59:11.815
tools here, like, ink, like,

00:59:11.855 --> 00:59:14.275
clothing everywhere, like, shoes.

00:59:15.655 --> 00:59:16.996
Like, the shoes I paint, like, I have it,

00:59:17.016 --> 00:59:18.777
like.

00:59:19.277 --> 00:59:20.856
That's one thing I'm trying to work on.

00:59:21.317 --> 00:59:22.777
But I don't know if they

00:59:22.818 --> 00:59:23.958
know about that or they

00:59:24.018 --> 00:59:24.737
notice about that.

00:59:25.818 --> 00:59:27.539
And another thing is, like, when I,

00:59:31.083 --> 00:59:36.286
I used to have an explosive character.

00:59:36.306 --> 00:59:39.568
I used to get mad when I

00:59:39.628 --> 00:59:43.530
didn't do the right things

00:59:43.550 --> 00:59:44.931
the way I wanted to do.

00:59:45.072 --> 00:59:47.733
Or they haven't seen me like that.

00:59:56.878 --> 00:59:58.920
But, yeah, I used to have that.

00:59:59.661 --> 01:00:01.061
I don't know if I still have it because,

01:00:01.322 --> 01:00:02.282
like I said, I have, like,

01:00:02.702 --> 01:00:04.262
getting in a situation where I, like,

01:00:05.543 --> 01:00:06.043
get to that.

01:00:07.304 --> 01:00:08.605
So you become, like,

01:00:08.625 --> 01:00:10.186
the Hulk and just start throwing things?

01:00:10.465 --> 01:00:11.846
You're like, ah!

01:00:12.726 --> 01:00:14.708
Yeah, because they see me like, you know,

01:00:15.708 --> 01:00:19.130
I'm very friendly, you know, or, like,

01:00:20.090 --> 01:00:20.490
yeah, like,

01:00:20.871 --> 01:00:23.192
friendly or I don't get angry or...

01:00:24.550 --> 01:00:27.393
But I think like most of us is like,

01:00:28.592 --> 01:00:31.114
we don't see like that side, you know?

01:00:31.414 --> 01:00:34.597
Like you could say the dark side,

01:00:34.617 --> 01:00:34.817
you know?

01:00:35.476 --> 01:00:36.958
I got you, dark side of the moon.

01:00:37.038 --> 01:00:37.498
I got you.

01:00:37.539 --> 01:00:37.759
Yeah.

01:00:38.438 --> 01:00:39.739
Yeah, you know, we're all full people,

01:00:39.820 --> 01:00:39.980
right?

01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.001
Like we have a, you know,

01:00:42.041 --> 01:00:42.922
like we're full people.

01:00:42.961 --> 01:00:44.663
Like we're not always happy.

01:00:44.682 --> 01:00:45.543
We're not always sad.

01:00:45.563 --> 01:00:46.543
We're not always angry.

01:00:46.563 --> 01:00:48.684
You know, like we're full people.

01:00:48.704 --> 01:00:50.106
We have a full emotion, right?

01:00:50.746 --> 01:00:51.025
Yeah.

01:00:51.626 --> 01:00:51.867
Cesar,

01:00:51.887 --> 01:00:52.766
I want to thank you so much for

01:00:52.786 --> 01:00:53.628
being on The Empire.

01:00:54.614 --> 01:00:55.596
Can you tell us all some

01:00:55.635 --> 01:00:56.815
current projects that you're working on?

01:00:59.018 --> 01:00:59.717
Yes.

01:01:00.057 --> 01:01:01.278
Like I said before,

01:01:01.298 --> 01:01:03.880
I have two pieces I'm working on.

01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:06.581
Actually,

01:01:06.601 --> 01:01:08.222
I want to be part of also an

01:01:08.282 --> 01:01:10.844
exhibition at the Cheech.

01:01:10.864 --> 01:01:13.545
It's going to be, I think,

01:01:14.166 --> 01:01:15.726
October at the end of,

01:01:16.786 --> 01:01:20.068
I think it's going to be the fall or,

01:01:20.509 --> 01:01:21.969
yeah, the fall of this year.

01:01:23.297 --> 01:01:24.677
But also I got the

01:01:24.697 --> 01:01:26.018
opportunity to curate and

01:01:26.059 --> 01:01:30.619
exhibit the same place in June, July.

01:01:30.940 --> 01:01:33.380
So we haven't decided like

01:01:33.780 --> 01:01:34.681
exactly what date.

01:01:36.722 --> 01:01:37.402
That's one thing.

01:01:37.461 --> 01:01:39.041
And like we have this

01:01:39.101 --> 01:01:43.023
project with the collective.

01:01:43.043 --> 01:01:45.423
And I think there's going to

01:01:45.443 --> 01:01:46.623
be more projects coming up

01:01:47.063 --> 01:01:48.065
with the collective.

01:01:49.744 --> 01:01:53.005
But yeah, that's one of the things.

01:01:53.045 --> 01:01:57.244
And also I think I want to,

01:01:57.545 --> 01:02:00.585
I will have another exhibit in LA.

01:02:02.766 --> 01:02:03.927
I still have to check about that.

01:02:05.186 --> 01:02:05.467
Cool.

01:02:05.806 --> 01:02:06.226
Cool.

01:02:06.347 --> 01:02:07.166
We'll definitely follow you

01:02:07.206 --> 01:02:07.907
to keep up with that.

01:02:08.608 --> 01:02:08.847
Yeah.

01:02:08.947 --> 01:02:09.927
So those are one of the

01:02:09.967 --> 01:02:14.289
things I have been working on and yeah,

01:02:14.849 --> 01:02:15.349
for this year.

01:02:17.556 --> 01:02:18.478
Well, Cesar, again,

01:02:18.498 --> 01:02:19.297
I want to thank you so much

01:02:19.318 --> 01:02:20.378
for being on The Empire.

01:02:21.278 --> 01:02:23.719
Let's say 100 years pass by,

01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.500
200 years pass by, 500 years pass by.

01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:29.061
What would you like your

01:02:29.240 --> 01:02:31.961
empire to look like, Cesar, regarding art,

01:02:32.461 --> 01:02:33.961
family, community?

01:02:34.463 --> 01:02:35.103
What would you like your

01:02:35.262 --> 01:02:36.643
empire to look like?

01:02:40.083 --> 01:02:41.105
You know what?

01:02:41.605 --> 01:02:45.405
I would like to see it, like, blooming.

01:02:46.126 --> 01:02:50.769
know to prosper um I would

01:02:50.789 --> 01:02:52.030
like to see like those

01:02:52.150 --> 01:02:54.472
issues that I i want to

01:02:54.592 --> 01:02:56.773
address on my pieces like

01:02:57.072 --> 01:02:59.215
maybe yeah in 100 years or

01:02:59.215 --> 01:03:01.715
200 years that we don't

01:03:01.755 --> 01:03:02.757
talk about those issues

01:03:02.817 --> 01:03:05.737
anymore like uh you know

01:03:05.777 --> 01:03:08.679
that we don't have to uh to

01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.442
keep others addressing those issues um

01:03:12.523 --> 01:03:14.965
Yeah, use that, like, you know,

01:03:15.606 --> 01:03:16.626
that all those problems,

01:03:16.668 --> 01:03:18.048
we could fix our problems,

01:03:18.068 --> 01:03:21.913
we could fix everything, you know?

01:03:23.735 --> 01:03:23.974
Yeah,

01:03:24.096 --> 01:03:26.998
so that's one of the things I think I

01:03:27.018 --> 01:03:28.280
would like to see in the future.

01:03:30.842 --> 01:03:33.485
I love that, to fix problems, I love that.

01:03:34.121 --> 01:03:35.222
I love that.

01:03:35.262 --> 01:03:35.682
Cesar,

01:03:35.963 --> 01:03:38.003
can you please tell everybody how

01:03:38.023 --> 01:03:39.764
they can find you, how they can reach you,

01:03:39.784 --> 01:03:40.943
how they can support your art?

01:03:41.425 --> 01:03:42.324
Can you please let everybody

01:03:42.344 --> 01:03:43.065
know how they can do that?

01:03:44.306 --> 01:03:44.565
Yes.

01:03:46.146 --> 01:03:46.867
Right now,

01:03:46.907 --> 01:03:49.487
the only social media use is Instagram.

01:03:50.327 --> 01:03:52.768
So you can follow me on Instagram.

01:03:54.864 --> 01:03:58.905
uh so I create creatix as c

01:03:59.726 --> 01:04:06.047
y c u a y and creatix

01:04:06.429 --> 01:04:08.489
creatix so so I creatix

01:04:09.389 --> 01:04:12.849
I'll say like that um yeah

01:04:13.610 --> 01:04:14.510
so that yeah that's the

01:04:14.530 --> 01:04:17.271
only like like because you

01:04:17.431 --> 01:04:18.612
can also you can email me

01:04:18.632 --> 01:04:21.333
through uh instagram um

01:04:22.315 --> 01:04:22.434
Yeah,

01:04:22.454 --> 01:04:24.476
but I should get more exposed to

01:04:24.556 --> 01:04:25.536
other social media.

01:04:27.516 --> 01:04:28.217
I will do it.

01:04:29.396 --> 01:04:31.518
Well, Instagram's a good go-to.

01:04:31.757 --> 01:04:32.938
Everyone uses Instagram.

01:04:32.958 --> 01:04:34.139
It's a good go-to.

01:04:34.179 --> 01:04:34.878
I guess LinkedIn would

01:04:34.918 --> 01:04:36.659
probably be another good one to get into.

01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:38.760
Instagram and Facebook are

01:04:38.780 --> 01:04:39.719
pretty close together.

01:04:39.739 --> 01:04:41.800
I used to have Facebook,

01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:42.960
but I don't use it anymore.

01:04:45.353 --> 01:04:46.132
You know, I don't want,

01:04:46.233 --> 01:04:47.373
I don't like to use TikTok

01:04:47.414 --> 01:04:49.253
because it's time consuming.

01:04:49.273 --> 01:04:51.034
There's like, I don't know,

01:04:51.054 --> 01:04:54.376
you get like addicted to like, yeah,

01:04:54.416 --> 01:04:55.315
you go like that.

01:04:56.036 --> 01:04:58.197
And you can pass an hour, like, or learn.

01:04:58.257 --> 01:04:59.177
Yeah.

01:04:59.717 --> 01:04:59.958
Yeah.

01:05:00.697 --> 01:05:03.239
And you're still on, it's still four.

01:05:03.259 --> 01:05:03.338
Yeah.

01:05:04.338 --> 01:05:04.599
Yeah.

01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:06.860
Yeah.

01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:07.561
Maybe,

01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:10.141
maybe also like try to get a YouTube

01:05:10.181 --> 01:05:13.742
channel, you know, to, uh, yeah,

01:05:13.762 --> 01:05:14.782
to showcase my art too.

01:05:15.864 --> 01:05:16.985
yeah you know everything I

01:05:17.005 --> 01:05:17.786
think everything's good to

01:05:17.826 --> 01:05:18.646
have you know it's just

01:05:19.467 --> 01:05:20.507
time you're right putting

01:05:20.527 --> 01:05:21.588
the time in and the work

01:05:21.628 --> 01:05:22.168
that's all that really

01:05:22.208 --> 01:05:25.610
matters yeah but for I want

01:05:25.630 --> 01:05:26.710
to thank you again Cesar

01:05:26.771 --> 01:05:28.132
and everybody I'll have the

01:05:28.711 --> 01:05:30.193
I'll have his Instagram in

01:05:30.213 --> 01:05:31.672
the description so that way

01:05:31.713 --> 01:05:32.293
if you guys want to

01:05:33.043 --> 01:05:35.724
be able to click on his page.

01:05:35.744 --> 01:05:36.764
You can find it that way and

01:05:36.784 --> 01:05:37.766
go right directly to him

01:05:38.365 --> 01:05:39.226
and things like that.

01:05:39.907 --> 01:05:41.927
And I want to say, you know,

01:05:41.967 --> 01:05:43.208
I think we again,

01:05:43.248 --> 01:05:45.309
I think we learned a lot from today.

01:05:45.349 --> 01:05:45.588
You know,

01:05:45.608 --> 01:05:46.668
we learned a lot about Cesar

01:05:47.148 --> 01:05:49.809
coming from Oaxaca as 22, you know,

01:05:49.869 --> 01:05:51.271
and all the colorful art.

01:05:51.331 --> 01:05:51.690
And he had to

01:05:52.150 --> 01:05:52.411
You know,

01:05:52.431 --> 01:05:53.811
he had to add some color to his

01:05:53.891 --> 01:05:56.132
artwork because he was like, you know,

01:05:56.152 --> 01:05:56.753
when you grow up in a

01:05:56.813 --> 01:05:58.693
culture with some flavor and some love,

01:05:58.713 --> 01:05:58.893
you know,

01:05:58.914 --> 01:06:00.934
you got to put that into your art.

01:06:01.094 --> 01:06:04.315
And he decided to, you know,

01:06:05.617 --> 01:06:07.577
tell stories through his art, right?

01:06:07.617 --> 01:06:07.978
Like for the...

01:06:08.597 --> 01:06:09.518
like for the house

01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:11.059
harvesting and having the

01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:12.159
snails to talk about like

01:06:12.179 --> 01:06:13.300
basically like homelessness

01:06:13.340 --> 01:06:15.782
or being without homes and super deep.

01:06:15.842 --> 01:06:17.083
And then the other artwork

01:06:17.123 --> 01:06:18.744
with the girls in the back

01:06:18.784 --> 01:06:20.244
and basically saying that, you know,

01:06:20.264 --> 01:06:21.724
these farm workers, these immigrants,

01:06:21.784 --> 01:06:23.865
these migrants that come in here,

01:06:23.905 --> 01:06:24.766
they work in the farm,

01:06:25.226 --> 01:06:26.307
but what matters is

01:06:27.068 --> 01:06:27.768
their children,

01:06:28.009 --> 01:06:29.088
the children of the future.

01:06:29.548 --> 01:06:30.110
And so, you know,

01:06:30.130 --> 01:06:31.190
we learned a lot from him.

01:06:31.590 --> 01:06:31.931
You know,

01:06:32.030 --> 01:06:33.271
his favorite tool is not the nose

01:06:33.311 --> 01:06:33.771
picking tool,

01:06:34.092 --> 01:06:34.972
but he has favorite tools

01:06:35.012 --> 01:06:36.632
that he uses to help create his art,

01:06:37.114 --> 01:06:38.273
that he also, you know,

01:06:38.653 --> 01:06:40.735
created art like anime on

01:06:40.835 --> 01:06:42.115
fabrics and things like that.

01:06:42.697 --> 01:06:44.858
We learned so much from him today.

01:06:44.898 --> 01:06:45.777
And I want to thank him.

01:06:45.797 --> 01:06:46.798
I want to thank all you guys

01:06:46.838 --> 01:06:48.420
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I want to thank all of you guys

01:07:28.161 --> 01:07:28.902
for being a part.

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I want to thank Cesar Garcia

01:07:30.943 --> 01:07:32.164
for being on and sharing

01:07:32.224 --> 01:07:32.903
everything with us.

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And other than that,

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we will catch you guys all

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in the next episode.

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So we'll see you guys later.

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Peace.