In this episode we speak with Cesar Garcia
Cesar is an artist based out of the Inland Empire. He talks to us about his Oaxacan background and influence. His wood working style and tools, starting the collective Grafica Nocturna, custom orders and more.
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00:00 - Intro/The Art On Cesar's Wall
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21:40 - Tools Used/Choosing Artwork/Explaining Artwork
37:08 - Print Making & Business/Family & Wood Cutting
1:01:01 - Current Projects
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In this episode we speak with Cesar Garcia
Cesar is an artist based out of the Inland Empire. He talks to us about his Oaxacan background and influence. His wood working style and tools, starting the collective Grafica Nocturna, custom orders and more.
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00:00 - Intro/The Art On Cesar's Wall
07:59 - Who is Cesar Garcia?/Oaxaca
21:40 - Tools Used/Choosing Artwork/Explaining Artwork
37:08 - Print Making & Business/Family & Wood Cutting
1:01:01 - Current Projects
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WEBVTT 00:01:04.123 --> 00:01:04.706 Hey guys, 00:01:04.727 --> 00:01:05.751 I hope you guys are ready for 00:01:05.771 --> 00:01:06.433 another great one. 00:01:17.010 --> 00:01:17.811 Hi, everybody. 00:01:17.912 --> 00:01:20.173 Welcome to The Empire Podcast, 00:01:20.192 --> 00:01:20.914 where we like to engage 00:01:20.933 --> 00:01:22.875 with everyone from pastors to actors, 00:01:22.935 --> 00:01:23.695 rappers to trappers, 00:01:23.736 --> 00:01:25.516 and everybody in between. 00:01:25.956 --> 00:01:26.757 And guess what? 00:01:27.097 --> 00:01:29.519 We have another great guest for today. 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:31.221 But before we get into it, 00:01:31.540 --> 00:01:32.621 please like the video, 00:01:32.921 --> 00:01:33.983 subscribe to the channel. 00:01:34.043 --> 00:01:35.543 We're trying to build this thing up. 00:01:35.584 --> 00:01:37.105 We're doing great work out here. 00:01:37.125 --> 00:01:39.507 We even appreciate everybody's support, 00:01:39.947 --> 00:01:41.367 everybody's contributions, 00:01:41.888 --> 00:01:42.969 and things like that. 00:01:43.590 --> 00:01:45.350 My name is Antonio D. Miles. 00:01:45.430 --> 00:01:47.292 I'm your host for today. 00:01:47.891 --> 00:01:48.673 And yes, 00:01:48.793 --> 00:01:50.194 the host with the most or the host 00:01:50.213 --> 00:01:51.974 with the most, whatever you want to do. 00:01:52.495 --> 00:01:53.376 And like I say, 00:01:53.396 --> 00:01:54.256 we like to do interesting 00:01:54.316 --> 00:01:55.977 interviews with interesting people. 00:01:56.557 --> 00:01:57.418 And like I said, 00:01:57.457 --> 00:01:58.658 today's not going to be a different day. 00:01:58.679 --> 00:01:59.299 It's going to be another 00:01:59.338 --> 00:02:00.859 interesting guest that we have. 00:02:02.659 --> 00:02:03.439 For the people who want to 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.381 help support the work that we're doing, 00:02:05.721 --> 00:02:06.900 want to help contribute, 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:08.741 you can do our Cash App, 00:02:08.762 --> 00:02:10.262 which is dollar sign T-H-E-E, 00:02:10.401 --> 00:02:11.481 Empire Podcast. 00:02:11.842 --> 00:02:13.462 We have Venmo, we have PayPal, 00:02:13.502 --> 00:02:14.443 we have many other things 00:02:14.742 --> 00:02:15.723 that are in the description 00:02:15.742 --> 00:02:16.902 if you want to support. 00:02:18.283 --> 00:02:19.864 If you want to comment and ask questions, 00:02:20.183 --> 00:02:21.123 you can also use the Super 00:02:21.163 --> 00:02:23.205 Chat and things like that, 00:02:23.224 --> 00:02:24.585 our Cash App to ask questions. 00:02:25.224 --> 00:02:26.064 But other than that, 00:02:26.844 --> 00:02:28.425 let's get into our amazing 00:02:28.506 --> 00:02:29.246 guest for today. 00:02:30.205 --> 00:02:34.149 an artist, visual artist, who's, you know, 00:02:34.269 --> 00:02:35.030 wood art. 00:02:35.669 --> 00:02:36.211 I can't even, 00:02:36.651 --> 00:02:37.912 uses wood tools and different 00:02:37.972 --> 00:02:39.693 things to make art and then 00:02:39.893 --> 00:02:40.774 puts it on printmaking. 00:02:40.834 --> 00:02:41.995 It's amazing. 00:02:42.495 --> 00:02:43.915 And we're going to let him 00:02:43.936 --> 00:02:45.076 talk a little bit more about that. 00:02:45.698 --> 00:02:48.800 And that gentleman's name is Cesar Garcia. 00:02:49.781 --> 00:02:51.282 Cesar, welcome to the empire. 00:02:52.282 --> 00:02:52.782 Oh, hello. 00:02:53.022 --> 00:02:54.884 Thanks for having me in this. 00:02:55.164 --> 00:02:57.346 It's actually my first podcast interview. 00:02:58.106 --> 00:02:59.087 So yeah, thanks you. 00:03:00.256 --> 00:03:01.536 Oh, man, it's so great to have you. 00:03:01.556 --> 00:03:02.116 How's your day been? 00:03:03.637 --> 00:03:04.697 It has been good. 00:03:06.176 --> 00:03:08.437 I just made some errands 00:03:08.538 --> 00:03:10.518 before this interview, 00:03:10.677 --> 00:03:13.278 so I think I'm okay right now. 00:03:13.818 --> 00:03:14.058 Gotcha. 00:03:14.079 --> 00:03:15.038 You did some errands, you said? 00:03:15.058 --> 00:03:16.318 Excuse me? 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:17.740 You did some errands? 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:18.759 Yeah. 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:20.979 Yeah, I had to do some errands before. 00:03:21.621 --> 00:03:25.420 So I could stay calm with no rush. 00:03:26.301 --> 00:03:26.942 Hey, that's... 00:03:28.669 --> 00:03:28.889 You know, 00:03:28.908 --> 00:03:29.848 that's one of the things I hate 00:03:29.929 --> 00:03:31.490 is like rushing and it's like, ah, 00:03:31.509 --> 00:03:32.710 like you get like the anxiety, 00:03:32.729 --> 00:03:33.191 you know what I mean? 00:03:33.230 --> 00:03:34.170 You're like, ah. 00:03:34.950 --> 00:03:35.651 Yeah, I know. 00:03:36.472 --> 00:03:38.572 That happens when like I 00:03:38.612 --> 00:03:40.893 have like deadlines for like, you know, 00:03:40.992 --> 00:03:43.033 for an exhibition or like 00:03:43.054 --> 00:03:43.774 youth commission. 00:03:43.813 --> 00:03:46.574 Like, I don't know. 00:03:46.675 --> 00:03:47.616 I think like most of the 00:03:47.656 --> 00:03:48.415 artists are like that. 00:03:48.455 --> 00:03:49.415 Like, you know, 00:03:49.756 --> 00:03:51.836 they do things at the last minute, 00:03:51.877 --> 00:03:52.137 you know. 00:03:52.556 --> 00:03:53.217 They wait for the last 00:03:53.258 --> 00:03:54.098 minute to do anything. 00:03:54.298 --> 00:03:55.698 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:03:56.519 --> 00:03:56.959 I know. 00:03:58.074 --> 00:03:58.594 Go ahead. 00:03:58.615 --> 00:03:59.376 Were you going to say something? 00:04:00.256 --> 00:04:02.016 No, I'm just working on that, you know, 00:04:02.037 --> 00:04:05.057 just to, you know, 00:04:05.078 --> 00:04:07.179 try to do things sometime before time, 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:07.479 you know. 00:04:08.659 --> 00:04:10.221 Yeah, you know, it's so hard, you know, 00:04:10.241 --> 00:04:11.882 but I think it helps, like, 00:04:11.921 --> 00:04:13.862 if you don't like anxiety to, like, just, 00:04:13.902 --> 00:04:14.703 like, for me, it's, like, 00:04:14.983 --> 00:04:16.024 I got to get it done now so 00:04:16.084 --> 00:04:17.483 I don't have to think about it later. 00:04:18.084 --> 00:04:18.625 You know what I mean? 00:04:19.185 --> 00:04:19.444 Yeah. 00:04:20.365 --> 00:04:20.805 Yeah, I know. 00:04:21.586 --> 00:04:22.627 Yeah. 00:04:22.666 --> 00:04:23.607 So since you got it done, 00:04:23.646 --> 00:04:24.507 now you're chilling, right? 00:04:25.548 --> 00:04:26.968 Yeah, right now, like I said, yeah. 00:04:28.223 --> 00:04:30.045 no rush got you and you can 00:04:30.064 --> 00:04:32.086 you can enjoy your day yeah 00:04:32.826 --> 00:04:35.369 yeah well you know cesar 00:04:35.389 --> 00:04:36.589 it's so great to have you 00:04:37.089 --> 00:04:38.451 here man I'm glad you got 00:04:38.471 --> 00:04:39.812 all your errands done I 00:04:39.851 --> 00:04:40.833 love your background 00:04:41.213 --> 00:04:42.194 actually matter of fact can 00:04:42.213 --> 00:04:42.793 you tell us a little bit 00:04:42.814 --> 00:04:43.514 what's in the background 00:04:43.555 --> 00:04:44.396 right there can you tell us 00:04:44.415 --> 00:04:45.716 what that is I was like 00:04:45.877 --> 00:04:47.877 this yeah I love it yeah so 00:04:47.898 --> 00:04:50.560 this is a piece uh one of 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:52.322 my friends made uh is uh l 00:04:54.175 --> 00:04:57.257 She makes a lot of this type 00:04:57.317 --> 00:05:00.040 of art using recycled materials, 00:05:00.581 --> 00:05:02.564 materials she finds in nature. 00:05:04.951 --> 00:05:07.334 So yeah, she gave me this piece. 00:05:07.514 --> 00:05:10.295 Actually, she told me, 00:05:10.336 --> 00:05:11.737 could you save my pieces? 00:05:11.776 --> 00:05:13.319 Because she had an 00:05:13.379 --> 00:05:14.899 exhibition at Creative 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.060 Grounds in San Bernardino. 00:05:17.781 --> 00:05:18.783 And she told me, oh, 00:05:18.802 --> 00:05:20.983 I'm not going to be able to pick them up. 00:05:21.444 --> 00:05:22.466 Could you pick them for me? 00:05:22.766 --> 00:05:23.545 And I was like, yeah. 00:05:23.565 --> 00:05:25.288 And it was like two pieces or three, 00:05:25.307 --> 00:05:26.007 I remember. 00:05:26.728 --> 00:05:31.172 And I lasted to give this to her. 00:05:31.471 --> 00:05:32.432 And she was like, you know what? 00:05:32.593 --> 00:05:33.293 I'm going to give it to you. 00:05:35.612 --> 00:05:38.115 uh so I it's kind of like uh 00:05:38.894 --> 00:05:42.858 I steal it or like but no 00:05:42.898 --> 00:05:43.899 she she gave it to me she 00:05:43.918 --> 00:05:45.279 said um it's okay you can 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:49.021 have this yeah excuse me no 00:05:49.081 --> 00:05:49.843 saying I was gonna say 00:05:49.862 --> 00:05:51.184 you're stealing art I see 00:05:51.963 --> 00:05:53.185 yeah sometimes I do that 00:05:53.204 --> 00:05:57.908 like okay uh and those two 00:05:57.928 --> 00:05:59.610 masks uh those are uh 00:05:59.689 --> 00:06:02.851 pieces made by my dad um 00:06:04.132 --> 00:06:05.574 That's one of the things my dad makes. 00:06:06.634 --> 00:06:09.036 I mean, she's like multi, how to say, 00:06:09.617 --> 00:06:10.637 multidisciplinary. 00:06:12.298 --> 00:06:15.160 Yeah, so like she would, I mean, 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.302 he works a lot with wood 00:06:17.341 --> 00:06:18.461 because he's a woodworker. 00:06:19.742 --> 00:06:20.963 And he makes this for, 00:06:21.384 --> 00:06:23.004 there's a traditional dance 00:06:23.125 --> 00:06:24.466 in Oaxaca in the community. 00:06:25.007 --> 00:06:25.567 Okay. 00:06:25.966 --> 00:06:29.850 Where they dress like this, like, you know, 00:06:29.970 --> 00:06:30.589 old faces. 00:06:33.026 --> 00:06:36.668 And they do it after Dia de Muertos, 00:06:37.567 --> 00:06:41.389 like nine days after, something like that, 00:06:41.470 --> 00:06:42.370 or a week, something. 00:06:43.050 --> 00:06:44.490 I don't remember right now. 00:06:45.190 --> 00:06:45.571 Dope. 00:06:46.190 --> 00:06:46.690 Super cool. 00:06:46.711 --> 00:06:49.252 Yeah, those masks look super realistic, 00:06:49.291 --> 00:06:50.833 especially the mustache 00:06:50.853 --> 00:06:51.593 that he has right there. 00:06:51.612 --> 00:06:51.673 Wow. 00:06:52.973 --> 00:06:54.074 Yeah. 00:06:56.074 --> 00:06:58.675 The hair he used for that was, 00:06:59.375 --> 00:07:01.435 I think I remember it was a bull. 00:07:02.540 --> 00:07:05.100 like a pigtail, bull tail. 00:07:05.180 --> 00:07:08.002 And like the ones on the 00:07:08.021 --> 00:07:08.742 other one is white. 00:07:09.822 --> 00:07:11.684 They are, I think a sheep. 00:07:13.365 --> 00:07:14.745 Yeah, sheep. 00:07:16.865 --> 00:07:17.026 Yeah, 00:07:17.045 --> 00:07:20.788 but that's one of the things my dad 00:07:21.427 --> 00:07:21.708 makes. 00:07:22.569 --> 00:07:23.949 And then I actually was about, 00:07:24.189 --> 00:07:25.970 I was supposed to sell them, 00:07:26.050 --> 00:07:27.711 but then I was like, 00:07:27.771 --> 00:07:29.732 I don't have a lot of things from my dad. 00:07:30.574 --> 00:07:32.976 And so, yeah, I take them. 00:07:33.898 --> 00:07:34.459 I keep them. 00:07:36.019 --> 00:07:38.682 Since I got here to California, 00:07:38.781 --> 00:07:41.404 I have been with them. 00:07:42.286 --> 00:07:43.065 I love that. 00:07:43.547 --> 00:07:44.007 I love that. 00:07:44.367 --> 00:07:44.747 Well, 00:07:45.488 --> 00:07:47.509 enough about Pops and stealing art 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:47.971 from people. 00:07:48.451 --> 00:07:50.932 Let's hear about who you are, Cesar. 00:07:50.973 --> 00:07:52.714 Who are you and what do you do? 00:07:52.975 --> 00:07:53.735 Can you tell us all who you 00:07:53.795 --> 00:07:54.557 are and the things that you do, 00:07:54.596 --> 00:07:54.877 my friend? 00:07:55.565 --> 00:07:58.848 yeah um well I consider well 00:07:58.887 --> 00:08:00.309 I don't consider myself an 00:08:00.389 --> 00:08:02.370 artist I think I will 00:08:02.389 --> 00:08:03.550 consider myself more like 00:08:04.190 --> 00:08:06.291 uh let's say like an 00:08:06.391 --> 00:08:09.793 artisan um hand crafter 00:08:09.814 --> 00:08:13.497 okay uh because I think I 00:08:13.536 --> 00:08:16.617 don't do a lot of like uh 00:08:16.738 --> 00:08:18.660 like mediums I'm more 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.942 focused on like one specific which is a 00:08:23.636 --> 00:08:26.016 Woodcut, which is a printmaking technique. 00:08:26.817 --> 00:08:28.017 Woodcut and line cut. 00:08:29.658 --> 00:08:32.639 Like I said, I grew up in Oaxaca. 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:35.080 My parents are from there, 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:38.062 from Zapotec community over there. 00:08:39.261 --> 00:08:44.043 And since I was a kid, I don't know, I got, 00:08:45.104 --> 00:08:46.184 I was surrounded by art. 00:08:47.770 --> 00:08:49.831 or like because of the culture, 00:08:49.912 --> 00:08:51.493 like it was like colorful, 00:08:51.572 --> 00:08:54.695 like there's like different 00:08:54.735 --> 00:08:56.015 communities that do like 00:08:56.056 --> 00:08:59.518 different types of art, ceramics, 00:08:59.957 --> 00:09:04.399 tapestry, like woodcut, painting. 00:09:05.400 --> 00:09:09.023 And also in my family, 00:09:09.182 --> 00:09:11.183 like I also was surrounded 00:09:11.203 --> 00:09:13.284 by that because like I said, my dad, 00:09:14.571 --> 00:09:18.354 He was multi-skilled. 00:09:19.335 --> 00:09:22.777 He makes good working, like tapestry, 00:09:24.138 --> 00:09:29.922 sculpture, painting, watercolor, drawing. 00:09:29.942 --> 00:09:30.942 I don't know. 00:09:31.082 --> 00:09:32.724 We got that from him, 00:09:32.923 --> 00:09:34.525 the passion to do things. 00:09:39.774 --> 00:09:40.154 Yeah, 00:09:40.235 --> 00:09:43.977 and I think that's a big influence in 00:09:44.038 --> 00:09:45.259 my career. 00:09:45.278 --> 00:09:51.643 On my art, I want to reflect my culture. 00:09:52.703 --> 00:09:55.446 And yeah, 00:09:55.525 --> 00:09:58.769 I still have to work on a piece 00:09:58.828 --> 00:10:03.192 where I want to translate 00:10:03.412 --> 00:10:06.333 those memories growing up in Oaxaca. 00:10:09.789 --> 00:10:15.032 But, yeah, I think, oh, I forgot to say, 00:10:15.072 --> 00:10:18.634 like, this technique, woodcut, 00:10:19.274 --> 00:10:21.254 woodcutting, woodcarve, 00:10:21.794 --> 00:10:23.115 I learned it in Oaxaca 00:10:23.895 --> 00:10:25.697 because over there is a large, 00:10:25.736 --> 00:10:27.817 there's a large scene of, like, 00:10:27.857 --> 00:10:28.418 printmaking. 00:10:30.828 --> 00:10:32.830 You can see how these 00:10:32.870 --> 00:10:34.909 workshops use this 00:10:34.951 --> 00:10:36.650 technique to display on the 00:10:36.691 --> 00:10:43.432 street with pasting, as a form of protest, 00:10:43.753 --> 00:10:46.653 addressing social, political issues, 00:10:46.754 --> 00:10:47.934 above all in Oaxaca. 00:10:47.975 --> 00:10:53.996 Because Oaxaca is one of the, what's that? 00:10:55.837 --> 00:10:56.957 You could say it's one of 00:10:56.998 --> 00:10:59.719 the poorest states in Mexico. 00:11:01.791 --> 00:11:04.892 but they are always like, I would say like, 00:11:06.611 --> 00:11:07.773 like protesting. 00:11:08.572 --> 00:11:13.014 I think it's a rebel state, you know, 00:11:15.193 --> 00:11:16.914 because a lot of the people 00:11:18.014 --> 00:11:20.155 that are in Oaxaca are 00:11:20.275 --> 00:11:23.515 indigenous people and they have like this, 00:11:23.836 --> 00:11:25.976 I would say like this rebel spirit. 00:11:26.616 --> 00:11:29.638 Like they don't want to be like, you know, 00:11:30.727 --> 00:11:30.927 You know, 00:11:31.067 --> 00:11:32.149 they don't want the government to 00:11:32.208 --> 00:11:32.989 tell them what to do 00:11:33.469 --> 00:11:34.409 because it's their land. 00:11:35.910 --> 00:11:39.672 They have authority about on their land. 00:11:40.472 --> 00:11:42.813 So, yeah, so they have that. 00:11:43.394 --> 00:11:45.034 And you can see it, like I said, 00:11:45.174 --> 00:11:47.235 on the art, you can see on the street, 00:11:47.375 --> 00:11:48.996 on the street art, you know, 00:11:50.398 --> 00:11:51.158 there's a lot of that 00:11:51.298 --> 00:11:53.099 political and social issues. 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:54.879 Wow. 00:11:55.820 --> 00:11:56.561 Yeah. 00:11:56.620 --> 00:11:57.181 I love that. 00:11:57.900 --> 00:11:58.282 So do you... 00:11:59.801 --> 00:12:01.682 feel like you have a lot of, well, 00:12:01.701 --> 00:12:02.221 there's a couple of things 00:12:02.261 --> 00:12:02.822 I wanted to ask. 00:12:02.861 --> 00:12:03.263 Cause, uh, 00:12:03.383 --> 00:12:05.024 first I was kind of curious cause I knew, 00:12:05.783 --> 00:12:07.304 um, that you were from Oaxaca, right? 00:12:08.044 --> 00:12:09.865 Um, what, 00:12:10.725 --> 00:12:12.047 how old were you when you came 00:12:12.086 --> 00:12:13.246 from Oaxaca to the, 00:12:13.548 --> 00:12:14.827 to the U S the California? 00:12:16.229 --> 00:12:22.392 Uh, I was 22, 22 when I, when I get here. 00:12:23.692 --> 00:12:25.072 Uh, and how old are you now? 00:12:26.354 --> 00:12:26.453 I'm 33. 00:12:26.514 --> 00:12:26.774 Okay. 00:12:26.793 --> 00:12:27.073 Yeah. 00:12:29.844 --> 00:12:30.544 I'm already like, 00:12:31.885 --> 00:12:33.647 I have been here for about what? 00:12:34.788 --> 00:12:35.087 11 years. 00:12:35.469 --> 00:12:35.908 Yeah. 00:12:35.989 --> 00:12:36.269 11 years. 00:12:36.589 --> 00:12:36.789 Yeah. 00:12:36.929 --> 00:12:38.091 Yeah. 00:12:39.351 --> 00:12:39.692 Yeah. 00:12:39.772 --> 00:12:41.614 So, but yeah, when I, 00:12:41.894 --> 00:12:44.436 but I go back to Oaxaca, you know, I go, 00:12:44.716 --> 00:12:44.916 well, 00:12:45.015 --> 00:12:47.818 I used to go like before the pandemic, 00:12:47.839 --> 00:12:50.240 I used to go like, like every year, 00:12:50.301 --> 00:12:50.600 you know, 00:12:51.160 --> 00:12:53.003 and then after the pandemic happened, 00:12:53.163 --> 00:12:55.565 yeah, I stopped. 00:12:55.985 --> 00:12:57.645 Last year was the first time I came. 00:12:57.666 --> 00:12:59.307 I went back after, 00:13:00.442 --> 00:13:01.583 you know, through the pandemic. 00:13:01.803 --> 00:13:02.563 Since the pandemic. 00:13:03.083 --> 00:13:03.884 Yeah, so I wanted to, 00:13:04.325 --> 00:13:05.485 one thing that I was curious about, 00:13:05.504 --> 00:13:06.785 because I knew you were Oaxacan, 00:13:06.806 --> 00:13:08.245 was if you considered 00:13:08.285 --> 00:13:10.386 yourself someone who 00:13:13.268 --> 00:13:15.708 strictly makes Oaxacan art, 00:13:16.048 --> 00:13:17.629 like art that represents Oaxaca, 00:13:18.070 --> 00:13:19.389 or if you're a Oaxacan man 00:13:19.429 --> 00:13:20.630 that just happens to be an artist. 00:13:21.431 --> 00:13:22.392 Do you understand the question? 00:13:22.412 --> 00:13:27.953 Yeah, I think I choose the second one, 00:13:27.994 --> 00:13:28.494 because 00:13:29.673 --> 00:13:31.053 Like I said, I'm a Oaxacan, 00:13:31.134 --> 00:13:33.095 but I don't do art that 00:13:33.554 --> 00:13:35.336 reflects Oaxaca right now 00:13:36.535 --> 00:13:38.717 because I don't live in Oaxaca. 00:13:38.918 --> 00:13:42.840 And right now that I'm 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:44.179 living in San Bernardino, 00:13:46.041 --> 00:13:46.922 I think I get more 00:13:46.961 --> 00:13:48.361 influence for what's 00:13:48.402 --> 00:13:50.023 happening in San Bernardino. 00:13:51.604 --> 00:13:52.244 In the community. 00:13:52.264 --> 00:13:53.664 Yeah, in the community. 00:13:53.684 --> 00:13:56.647 I have been trying to get 00:13:56.706 --> 00:13:59.368 involved in the community. 00:14:01.575 --> 00:14:03.296 Okay, because it started like this, 00:14:04.176 --> 00:14:10.168 like about, it was June, June of 2022, 00:14:10.168 --> 00:14:10.317 2022. 00:14:10.317 --> 00:14:14.899 I got this opportunity of 00:14:15.078 --> 00:14:16.678 being an artist in residence, 00:14:17.038 --> 00:14:18.639 the Studio Aire, which is a, 00:14:19.875 --> 00:14:21.777 located at the Garcia Center for the Arts. 00:14:22.756 --> 00:14:24.577 And before that, 00:14:24.717 --> 00:14:26.678 I haven't been doing art for, 00:14:26.698 --> 00:14:29.899 I don't know, for three years. 00:14:30.659 --> 00:14:32.900 I stopped doing woodcutting. 00:14:34.201 --> 00:14:36.261 And then I got this 00:14:36.282 --> 00:14:40.524 opportunity by Yulisa Mendoza, 00:14:40.604 --> 00:14:42.904 who is the director of Studio Aire. 00:14:45.938 --> 00:14:49.326 That's where I started to get motivated. 00:14:49.969 --> 00:14:51.471 I had the opportunity to 00:14:51.631 --> 00:14:52.774 host two workshops. 00:14:53.817 --> 00:14:56.082 And since then, I got 00:14:56.724 --> 00:14:58.565 I have been getting like involved. 00:14:59.346 --> 00:15:00.326 And after that, 00:15:00.466 --> 00:15:01.787 I also got the opportunity 00:15:01.927 --> 00:15:07.370 to participate in the child fellowship. 00:15:08.711 --> 00:15:11.393 It's like a summer camp for 00:15:11.932 --> 00:15:16.115 high school and middle school students. 00:15:17.096 --> 00:15:18.557 And it was the first time 00:15:18.596 --> 00:15:22.480 also like I was teaching to like kids. 00:15:23.605 --> 00:15:25.706 I used to do it when I was in Oaxaca, 00:15:25.826 --> 00:15:29.187 but I was like something 00:15:29.246 --> 00:15:31.467 more like spontaneous, you know. 00:15:32.327 --> 00:15:34.249 And here, you know, you have to move. 00:15:35.749 --> 00:15:39.509 There's already like a plan, you know, 00:15:39.590 --> 00:15:40.330 and a scheme. 00:15:40.890 --> 00:15:41.850 Yeah, yeah. 00:15:41.990 --> 00:15:43.510 Yeah. 00:15:43.611 --> 00:15:44.951 Why did you stop doing art? 00:15:48.072 --> 00:15:49.874 That's interesting. 00:15:52.053 --> 00:15:53.195 okay I stopped I think I 00:15:53.215 --> 00:15:54.576 stopped doing art because 00:15:54.596 --> 00:15:56.518 okay when I was here um 00:15:58.339 --> 00:15:59.240 when I got in summer you 00:15:59.259 --> 00:16:00.360 know I started to do like 00:16:00.380 --> 00:16:02.982 the woodcut and uh like 00:16:03.243 --> 00:16:05.004 trying to find like venues 00:16:05.125 --> 00:16:06.946 and like ways to exhibit my 00:16:07.066 --> 00:16:10.948 my art and I think I had 00:16:10.989 --> 00:16:13.390 like three opportunities to 00:16:13.431 --> 00:16:16.494 showcase my art and I saw that 00:16:18.784 --> 00:16:20.966 I think only for those three exhibitions, 00:16:21.046 --> 00:16:21.225 like, 00:16:21.385 --> 00:16:23.346 I saw that people wasn't interested 00:16:23.427 --> 00:16:25.988 in what I was doing, you know? 00:16:26.008 --> 00:16:27.207 Like, there was no interest. 00:16:30.028 --> 00:16:31.448 And I was like, oh, 00:16:31.649 --> 00:16:33.090 so people don't like what I do, 00:16:33.309 --> 00:16:34.769 so there's no interest. 00:16:35.791 --> 00:16:37.051 I don't know. 00:16:37.870 --> 00:16:39.231 That's how I got, like, you know, 00:16:40.982 --> 00:16:42.244 I should stop doing that. 00:16:42.344 --> 00:16:45.046 And actually, after that, I started, like, 00:16:46.187 --> 00:16:50.772 customized shoes and jackets. 00:16:51.131 --> 00:16:52.692 We're going to talk about that, too. 00:16:52.793 --> 00:16:53.494 We'll talk about that. 00:16:54.014 --> 00:16:54.274 Yeah. 00:16:54.875 --> 00:16:57.357 And, yeah, I think it was because of that, 00:16:57.418 --> 00:16:59.219 because I was feeling that people wasn't, 00:16:59.239 --> 00:17:00.721 like, getting interested on my... 00:17:01.822 --> 00:17:02.743 on the art I was doing. 00:17:03.543 --> 00:17:05.084 But then I was after, 00:17:05.104 --> 00:17:08.825 now I think back about that 00:17:08.904 --> 00:17:10.006 and I say like, 00:17:11.125 --> 00:17:13.807 there's like different public, you know, 00:17:13.886 --> 00:17:16.048 for art, for different art. 00:17:16.587 --> 00:17:19.648 So you just have to find, you know, 00:17:19.709 --> 00:17:22.470 your people or the people 00:17:22.509 --> 00:17:23.589 you're trying to reach. 00:17:24.871 --> 00:17:26.010 You just keep going, 00:17:26.191 --> 00:17:28.571 just not because you had 00:17:28.731 --> 00:17:31.272 three failings or like, 00:17:32.221 --> 00:17:34.462 You want to stop making art, you know? 00:17:35.843 --> 00:17:36.863 That's what I have learned. 00:17:37.262 --> 00:17:37.702 Like, you know, 00:17:37.722 --> 00:17:40.644 you just keep doing what you love, 00:17:40.683 --> 00:17:41.023 you know? 00:17:41.124 --> 00:17:42.865 I love that. 00:17:43.105 --> 00:17:45.785 Yeah, you're going to get opportunities. 00:17:45.805 --> 00:17:47.786 You're going to get exposure. 00:17:48.125 --> 00:17:51.846 But you just have to work hard to do that, 00:17:52.126 --> 00:17:52.366 yeah. 00:17:52.406 --> 00:17:52.527 Yeah, 00:17:52.567 --> 00:17:54.047 and you have to keep going and keep going, 00:17:54.186 --> 00:17:55.346 right? 00:17:55.948 --> 00:17:56.548 And not give up. 00:17:56.928 --> 00:17:57.167 You know... 00:17:58.479 --> 00:17:58.679 You know, 00:17:58.699 --> 00:18:01.319 we had Dwan Kellam here on The Empire. 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:03.941 And you know who he does, right? 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:04.602 Creative Grounds. 00:18:05.102 --> 00:18:06.922 And he goes to Oaxaca a lot, right? 00:18:06.942 --> 00:18:07.702 I don't know if you, 00:18:07.903 --> 00:18:09.042 do you know who Dwan is? 00:18:10.003 --> 00:18:10.324 Yeah, 00:18:10.423 --> 00:18:12.244 actually he was one of the first 00:18:12.765 --> 00:18:15.445 person I met when I started 00:18:15.465 --> 00:18:17.787 to get involved in the art community. 00:18:18.386 --> 00:18:18.906 Gotcha. 00:18:19.428 --> 00:18:19.748 Yeah, 00:18:19.788 --> 00:18:22.068 he was one of the first person that I 00:18:22.108 --> 00:18:22.328 met. 00:18:23.088 --> 00:18:27.191 And yeah, I know he has been in Oaxaca. 00:18:29.088 --> 00:18:31.092 Actually, also, like, I want to, 00:18:32.393 --> 00:18:34.215 there's going to be an art, I mean, 00:18:34.316 --> 00:18:36.358 a Oaxacan festival at the 00:18:36.378 --> 00:18:38.082 Garcia Center next, 00:18:38.102 --> 00:18:40.204 it's going to be March 30th. 00:18:42.607 --> 00:18:43.348 March 3-0? 00:18:44.089 --> 00:18:45.090 Yeah, March 3-0. 00:18:45.570 --> 00:18:45.911 OK. 00:18:46.471 --> 00:18:47.833 Yeah, so the reason why I mentioned, 00:18:48.653 --> 00:18:49.394 we'll definitely remind 00:18:49.414 --> 00:18:50.316 people again about that. 00:18:51.016 --> 00:18:51.936 The reason why I mentioned 00:18:52.037 --> 00:18:53.878 Duan is because he says 00:18:53.919 --> 00:18:55.181 that there's a big 00:18:55.840 --> 00:18:57.843 Afro-Mexicano population in Oaxaca. 00:18:58.624 --> 00:18:59.244 and stuff like that. 00:18:59.285 --> 00:19:00.125 And he talks about how he 00:19:00.164 --> 00:19:01.866 would go there and he'd enjoy that. 00:19:02.366 --> 00:19:03.367 So I just wanted to ask you 00:19:03.407 --> 00:19:04.729 about your thoughts on that, 00:19:04.749 --> 00:19:07.391 your experience with the 00:19:07.431 --> 00:19:09.613 Afro-Mexicano in Oaxaca. 00:19:10.273 --> 00:19:11.094 Okay. 00:19:12.075 --> 00:19:17.638 That's one thing I noticed when I got here, 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:19.121 because in Oaxaca, 00:19:20.402 --> 00:19:21.762 you don't see a lot of 00:19:22.423 --> 00:19:23.824 black communities over there. 00:19:26.054 --> 00:19:27.674 because okay like there's 00:19:27.755 --> 00:19:30.656 like eight regions in 00:19:31.136 --> 00:19:35.378 Oaxaca yeah like I wasn't 00:19:35.420 --> 00:19:39.061 like used to see like you 00:19:39.102 --> 00:19:40.162 know black people in the 00:19:40.342 --> 00:19:42.844 Oaxaca because like I say 00:19:42.864 --> 00:19:44.625 it's more like indigenous 00:19:44.664 --> 00:19:48.867 communities and then when I 00:19:48.907 --> 00:19:51.328 got I was I had some like 00:19:51.409 --> 00:19:52.849 stories that you know there 00:19:52.869 --> 00:19:53.851 was black people on the 00:19:55.463 --> 00:19:59.426 on the, how to say, coast, like region. 00:20:00.047 --> 00:20:00.426 Okay. 00:20:00.887 --> 00:20:01.847 Costa, in La Costa. 00:20:02.648 --> 00:20:03.890 Mm-hmm. 00:20:04.710 --> 00:20:05.050 Yes. 00:20:05.611 --> 00:20:06.471 So when I got here, 00:20:06.592 --> 00:20:08.212 actually it was last year 00:20:08.333 --> 00:20:10.574 that there was this Oaxacan, 00:20:10.753 --> 00:20:12.796 Afro-Oaxacan festival in 00:20:14.096 --> 00:20:14.856 the Garcia Center. 00:20:15.116 --> 00:20:15.317 Yeah. 00:20:15.718 --> 00:20:17.959 I started to learn about that. 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:21.761 Because it's also like in Oaxaca, 00:20:23.156 --> 00:20:24.518 like they don't teach us 00:20:24.738 --> 00:20:27.278 about like the like black 00:20:27.479 --> 00:20:30.181 black uh history yeah the 00:20:30.221 --> 00:20:31.721 africanos yeah the 00:20:31.741 --> 00:20:32.821 africanos they don't they 00:20:32.842 --> 00:20:34.343 don't really teach us they 00:20:34.363 --> 00:20:35.364 you said like they brought 00:20:35.403 --> 00:20:37.884 like you know slaves and uh 00:20:37.924 --> 00:20:39.566 some of them like you know 00:20:39.766 --> 00:20:45.128 um I went to hide um but I 00:20:45.169 --> 00:20:46.309 think yeah also like that 00:20:46.369 --> 00:20:47.269 they are I think they are 00:20:47.309 --> 00:20:50.332 like um high you know um 00:20:51.569 --> 00:20:53.652 But, yeah, like I said, 00:20:53.771 --> 00:20:55.953 I never had like that, how to say, 00:20:55.973 --> 00:20:57.875 like interaction with Black people. 00:20:58.635 --> 00:20:59.395 And it wasn't like a thing 00:20:59.415 --> 00:21:00.817 they talked about, you know? 00:21:01.077 --> 00:21:03.440 No, it's not a thing like we talked. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.260 I don't know if it's because, 00:21:06.761 --> 00:21:08.323 I don't know if also Oaxaca 00:21:08.364 --> 00:21:10.065 is like racist or just 00:21:10.144 --> 00:21:10.805 something like that. 00:21:12.846 --> 00:21:13.086 Yeah, 00:21:13.307 --> 00:21:15.429 because now that we are talking about 00:21:15.449 --> 00:21:17.310 that, I'm starting to like notice that. 00:21:17.967 --> 00:21:19.607 Like, we never, like, in the schools, 00:21:19.928 --> 00:21:21.528 they never teach us about that. 00:21:21.929 --> 00:21:22.229 I know. 00:21:22.249 --> 00:21:23.369 It makes you think, why not? 00:21:23.450 --> 00:21:23.849 Por qué? 00:21:23.910 --> 00:21:24.470 Por qué no? 00:21:24.509 --> 00:21:25.070 Por qué no? 00:21:25.510 --> 00:21:26.151 Yeah, por qué. 00:21:26.611 --> 00:21:26.951 You know. 00:21:27.592 --> 00:21:29.192 But anyway, let's go back to your art, 00:21:29.292 --> 00:21:29.532 you know. 00:21:29.593 --> 00:21:31.513 So I noticed that you use a 00:21:31.554 --> 00:21:32.994 lot of different tools, right? 00:21:33.015 --> 00:21:33.894 So how many different tools 00:21:33.934 --> 00:21:35.455 do you use when you're doing, like, 00:21:35.496 --> 00:21:37.136 this wood type of art, the shaving, 00:21:37.176 --> 00:21:37.596 printmaking? 00:21:37.616 --> 00:21:39.097 How many different tools are you using? 00:21:42.136 --> 00:21:42.978 I don't know how many tools 00:21:43.097 --> 00:21:45.179 I got but I use many 00:21:45.219 --> 00:21:46.380 because and also I have 00:21:46.420 --> 00:21:47.760 different brands because 00:21:48.540 --> 00:21:49.761 some of them like have 00:21:49.801 --> 00:21:51.482 different like how to say 00:21:51.502 --> 00:21:53.844 dimension like the tips and 00:21:53.884 --> 00:21:55.404 they create different 00:21:56.105 --> 00:21:57.666 actually have some of them 00:21:57.727 --> 00:22:00.228 here so I want to teach you 00:22:00.929 --> 00:22:05.431 like this is one like one 00:22:05.471 --> 00:22:07.132 of the tools I use but 00:22:09.124 --> 00:22:10.605 This is like one of the like 00:22:10.644 --> 00:22:13.445 to create fine lines and all of that. 00:22:14.967 --> 00:22:16.086 And there's another one like 00:22:16.126 --> 00:22:19.607 this to cover like various. 00:22:20.449 --> 00:22:22.450 And like I said, they have different tips. 00:22:22.470 --> 00:22:26.090 Yeah, I was going to say that first one. 00:22:26.131 --> 00:22:27.451 Don't pick your nose with that first one. 00:22:27.832 --> 00:22:28.192 No, no. 00:22:29.413 --> 00:22:31.232 Yeah, they create different textures. 00:22:31.313 --> 00:22:34.615 So I would say that I have like 00:22:37.434 --> 00:22:39.635 20 of them, but I don't use all of them. 00:22:40.435 --> 00:22:41.175 It depends. 00:22:41.195 --> 00:22:44.917 I have some favorites. 00:22:45.999 --> 00:22:49.160 I think it will be three of 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:50.181 them that are my favorite 00:22:50.201 --> 00:22:51.320 that I use the most. 00:22:52.182 --> 00:22:52.642 Got you. 00:22:52.922 --> 00:22:54.542 The ones that you always go to. 00:22:54.603 --> 00:22:55.583 It's like your go-to tools. 00:22:55.603 --> 00:22:56.423 You always use them, right? 00:22:57.263 --> 00:22:58.845 Yeah. 00:22:59.684 --> 00:23:01.546 I always get excited every 00:23:01.586 --> 00:23:03.467 time I see these tools. 00:23:04.186 --> 00:23:05.188 When I see new ones, 00:23:06.423 --> 00:23:08.746 And because actually, 00:23:08.766 --> 00:23:10.126 there's a kit I want to get. 00:23:10.346 --> 00:23:12.407 It's a Japanese set. 00:23:13.749 --> 00:23:16.391 But it's expensive. 00:23:17.711 --> 00:23:19.913 I'm going to try to save for that one. 00:23:20.413 --> 00:23:20.773 Got you. 00:23:22.275 --> 00:23:24.135 The good stuff is always expensive, right? 00:23:24.316 --> 00:23:24.576 Yeah. 00:23:25.096 --> 00:23:26.116 Yeah, it's always expensive. 00:23:26.938 --> 00:23:28.138 But it's worth it, right? 00:23:28.179 --> 00:23:29.359 When you spend it, it's worth the money. 00:23:30.380 --> 00:23:31.320 Yeah. 00:23:31.601 --> 00:23:33.541 Actually, I got my first kit. 00:23:33.561 --> 00:23:34.462 I got it in Oaxaca. 00:23:37.022 --> 00:23:39.624 And I have been with them since I got them, 00:23:39.644 --> 00:23:40.903 and they are still working. 00:23:42.183 --> 00:23:42.784 Really nice. 00:23:44.505 --> 00:23:44.704 Yeah. 00:23:44.724 --> 00:23:45.184 Beautiful. 00:23:45.805 --> 00:23:46.904 And I wanted to ask you, 00:23:46.924 --> 00:23:49.546 because first of all, I love your work. 00:23:49.605 --> 00:23:50.326 It's so beautiful. 00:23:51.326 --> 00:23:51.926 Thank you. 00:23:52.826 --> 00:23:55.626 And I just want to assume, Cesar, 00:23:56.248 --> 00:23:57.028 don't hold me to it, 00:23:57.087 --> 00:23:58.728 but I just want to assume. 00:23:58.788 --> 00:23:59.508 I'm assuming that you have a 00:23:59.548 --> 00:24:01.028 lot of different ideas in your head, 00:24:01.088 --> 00:24:01.348 right? 00:24:02.288 --> 00:24:05.750 How do you decide which idea? 00:24:07.105 --> 00:24:08.365 to do? 00:24:09.767 --> 00:24:10.448 How do you decide? 00:24:12.528 --> 00:24:14.750 How do I decide to do? 00:24:16.011 --> 00:24:19.074 I think it's like the moment 00:24:19.193 --> 00:24:20.234 and how I'm feeling. 00:24:20.255 --> 00:24:22.156 I'm sorry. 00:24:24.719 --> 00:24:25.960 Like there has been these 00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:27.300 two pieces I made 00:24:30.367 --> 00:24:31.568 these two large pieces I 00:24:31.588 --> 00:24:34.770 made for an exhibition in Long Beach. 00:24:35.671 --> 00:24:38.512 And how I decided to do those, 00:24:40.574 --> 00:24:43.335 it was because I was, I wanted to, 00:24:44.236 --> 00:24:46.696 how to say, like communicate something. 00:24:47.416 --> 00:24:49.999 Like, because like I said, 00:24:50.558 --> 00:24:54.280 I've been trying to do art that address 00:24:56.624 --> 00:24:58.766 that are happening in the community. 00:24:59.787 --> 00:25:05.193 And I think, yeah, I get like, 00:25:05.934 --> 00:25:06.895 also like how I'm feeling, 00:25:06.935 --> 00:25:10.760 like when I have also an idea, like clear, 00:25:10.981 --> 00:25:12.323 like when I say like, okay, I have, 00:25:13.173 --> 00:25:14.714 this idea like develop. 00:25:15.154 --> 00:25:16.756 So I wanna try to do this first. 00:25:17.517 --> 00:25:19.917 And then this one, 00:25:20.617 --> 00:25:22.779 because I have pieces that I say like, 00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.621 okay, I wanna do this one, 00:25:24.740 --> 00:25:26.501 but I just leave it there 00:25:26.602 --> 00:25:27.342 and I don't finish. 00:25:29.042 --> 00:25:30.124 And I think I finished the 00:25:30.183 --> 00:25:32.365 pieces I get the most 00:25:32.384 --> 00:25:35.247 motivated to finish or to complete. 00:25:37.667 --> 00:25:40.009 And yeah, I, 00:25:40.931 --> 00:25:43.993 That answer your question or? 00:25:45.734 --> 00:25:47.215 Yeah, I think that answers it, you know, 00:25:47.276 --> 00:25:49.597 because, you know, you said you, you know, 00:25:49.617 --> 00:25:49.898 whatever, 00:25:50.138 --> 00:25:51.680 like you feel the most and whatever, 00:25:51.740 --> 00:25:52.381 like represents what's 00:25:52.401 --> 00:25:53.361 happening in the community. 00:25:53.922 --> 00:25:55.702 So, yeah, I think so. 00:25:56.644 --> 00:25:56.864 Right. 00:25:57.285 --> 00:25:59.086 And matter of fact, 00:26:00.067 --> 00:26:01.107 I want to show people some 00:26:01.127 --> 00:26:03.209 of the little clip of your art. 00:26:03.589 --> 00:26:04.150 Let me show them. 00:26:04.871 --> 00:26:04.990 Yeah. 00:26:05.010 --> 00:26:05.090 Yeah. 00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:11.730 So can you tell us a little 00:26:11.750 --> 00:26:12.931 bit about this piece right here? 00:26:14.832 --> 00:26:19.713 Yes, that piece, OK, 00:26:19.794 --> 00:26:23.194 I got a grant which let me 00:26:23.674 --> 00:26:24.736 work on these two pieces. 00:26:25.455 --> 00:26:27.396 So this is the first one, 00:26:27.517 --> 00:26:29.096 which is the one on the screen. 00:26:30.178 --> 00:26:33.439 It's called, I forget, 00:26:33.818 --> 00:26:35.220 Harvesting Dreamers. 00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:38.141 Yeah, Harvesting Dreamers. 00:26:39.113 --> 00:26:39.993 It's like a gentleman and he 00:26:40.013 --> 00:26:41.996 has like three little girls on his back, 00:26:42.076 --> 00:26:42.316 right? 00:26:42.736 --> 00:26:43.036 Yeah. 00:26:43.237 --> 00:26:44.998 And it's more like a tribute 00:26:45.038 --> 00:26:49.801 to the farm workers who 00:26:49.842 --> 00:26:51.923 like most of them are like immigrants. 00:26:53.484 --> 00:26:55.446 My dad worked on the fields. 00:26:56.468 --> 00:26:59.810 I think most of the like immigrants, yeah, 00:26:59.911 --> 00:27:01.952 people that the first time they came, 00:27:01.992 --> 00:27:03.634 they started like working on fields. 00:27:04.535 --> 00:27:06.817 And yeah, it's like they are, 00:27:07.289 --> 00:27:08.671 reaching the or trying to 00:27:08.730 --> 00:27:09.871 reach the american dream 00:27:11.291 --> 00:27:12.532 but I think the american 00:27:12.553 --> 00:27:14.253 dream is reflected on their 00:27:14.354 --> 00:27:17.575 children like yeah to see 00:27:17.595 --> 00:27:19.796 them bloom uh prosper in 00:27:19.816 --> 00:27:21.896 this country you know uh 00:27:22.518 --> 00:27:23.917 yeah just to see them good 00:27:24.018 --> 00:27:26.599 you know um yeah and this 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.740 that piece is uh uh what I 00:27:29.780 --> 00:27:32.663 try to uh like represent uh 00:27:32.863 --> 00:27:35.364 I love that yeah and uh the 00:27:35.423 --> 00:27:36.724 second piece which is gonna show 00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:40.980 Uh, that one is, uh, I think, yeah, 00:27:41.040 --> 00:27:44.022 harvesting, no, housing season. 00:27:45.544 --> 00:27:49.445 Uh, and that piece, um, this, 00:27:49.486 --> 00:27:51.145 that's one of, one of the issues, like, 00:27:51.286 --> 00:27:52.186 I try to, to, uh, 00:27:52.307 --> 00:27:57.068 represent from the Seminole, uh, uh, 00:27:57.930 --> 00:27:58.890 communities, like, 00:27:59.770 --> 00:28:02.092 the house affordability, like, 00:28:02.192 --> 00:28:03.913 house displacement, homelessness, 00:28:04.952 --> 00:28:06.453 all of that is related, you know? 00:28:07.321 --> 00:28:12.982 And I wanted to represent that problem. 00:28:16.003 --> 00:28:16.663 And actually, 00:28:16.683 --> 00:28:19.825 I wanted to use people I know, 00:28:20.424 --> 00:28:23.565 people that are getting involved in that. 00:28:24.385 --> 00:28:25.266 And for that piece, 00:28:25.306 --> 00:28:29.267 I used my friend Kristen, 00:28:30.086 --> 00:28:33.548 who is part of the so-called trash army, 00:28:34.688 --> 00:28:35.528 and her daughter. 00:28:36.556 --> 00:28:38.278 And because she is one of 00:28:38.317 --> 00:28:41.099 the people that is involved 00:28:42.421 --> 00:28:44.041 with the homeless community. 00:28:45.182 --> 00:28:48.967 And yeah, 00:28:48.987 --> 00:28:50.147 I asked her if she wanted to be 00:28:50.208 --> 00:28:51.067 part of this piece, 00:28:52.809 --> 00:28:55.192 which it represents how she 00:28:56.205 --> 00:28:57.306 how getting a house should 00:28:57.326 --> 00:29:00.147 be like easy as get it from a tree, 00:29:00.188 --> 00:29:03.709 you know, from a fruit tree, you know. 00:29:03.749 --> 00:29:04.269 Wow. 00:29:04.909 --> 00:29:05.630 I get it like that. 00:29:06.369 --> 00:29:06.589 Wow. 00:29:07.451 --> 00:29:10.011 It should be more easy, you know. 00:29:11.332 --> 00:29:12.673 That's a super cool concept. 00:29:13.393 --> 00:29:13.692 Yeah. 00:29:14.313 --> 00:29:14.913 I love that. 00:29:15.614 --> 00:29:15.894 Yeah. 00:29:15.913 --> 00:29:17.634 And actually I have another 00:29:17.734 --> 00:29:19.914 two pieces I'm working on right now, 00:29:19.996 --> 00:29:21.175 but I haven't finished. 00:29:21.895 --> 00:29:23.557 And yeah, they represent like, 00:29:25.979 --> 00:29:27.160 One of them represent like 00:29:27.220 --> 00:29:31.442 how workhouses like, you know, 00:29:31.561 --> 00:29:32.362 we are getting like 00:29:32.422 --> 00:29:34.002 surrounded by workhouses 00:29:34.743 --> 00:29:38.746 that we're starting to like, you know, 00:29:40.807 --> 00:29:44.808 to differentiate about more 00:29:44.848 --> 00:29:46.390 like we need more green areas, you know. 00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:49.131 and how those warehouses 00:29:49.191 --> 00:29:50.271 have been like taking those 00:29:50.332 --> 00:29:52.413 spaces to create those 00:29:52.574 --> 00:29:54.996 spaces for the community, you know? 00:29:55.016 --> 00:29:56.436 A hundred percent. 00:29:56.957 --> 00:29:57.217 Yeah. 00:29:57.277 --> 00:29:58.758 And the other piece talks 00:29:58.798 --> 00:30:03.561 about like how we have, how we lost, 00:30:03.981 --> 00:30:08.384 we have lost the capacity of, you know, 00:30:14.111 --> 00:30:16.952 of, uh, cause they created our own, uh, 00:30:17.012 --> 00:30:17.353 foods. 00:30:18.374 --> 00:30:18.953 Uh-huh. 00:30:19.555 --> 00:30:20.555 Like agriculture. 00:30:21.276 --> 00:30:21.496 Yeah. 00:30:21.536 --> 00:30:22.517 Like, you know, 00:30:22.616 --> 00:30:26.078 we get everything from the market, uh, 00:30:26.138 --> 00:30:28.661 the restaurants from, and yeah, 00:30:28.681 --> 00:30:30.422 we have been getting like lazy, you know, 00:30:30.461 --> 00:30:33.844 like, like we should like get back to, uh, 00:30:34.503 --> 00:30:37.326 produce our own, uh, uh, products, 00:30:37.486 --> 00:30:40.028 you know, our own vegetables, uh, 00:30:40.847 --> 00:30:41.588 all of that, you know? 00:30:43.144 --> 00:30:43.943 It's very important. 00:30:44.684 --> 00:30:44.984 Yeah. 00:30:45.125 --> 00:30:46.025 It's one of the, 00:30:46.644 --> 00:30:48.546 another issue I want to like address. 00:30:49.365 --> 00:30:49.766 Got you. 00:30:50.086 --> 00:30:51.246 A bunch of flojos around. 00:30:51.266 --> 00:30:52.646 Yeah. 00:30:52.767 --> 00:30:54.067 Yeah. 00:30:54.467 --> 00:30:54.707 Yeah. 00:30:55.126 --> 00:30:57.048 You know, great work. 00:30:57.107 --> 00:30:58.067 I like the concept too. 00:30:58.107 --> 00:30:58.988 I can't wait to see it. 00:30:59.468 --> 00:31:00.348 I can't wait to see both of them. 00:31:02.713 --> 00:31:04.875 What I wanted to ask you, 00:31:04.895 --> 00:31:07.196 because I think in the 00:31:07.217 --> 00:31:08.198 housing harvest one, 00:31:08.817 --> 00:31:10.138 which is this one right here, 00:31:10.539 --> 00:31:13.961 the second one, there is snails. 00:31:14.482 --> 00:31:16.663 You have snails in the picture, right? 00:31:17.104 --> 00:31:18.565 So why are there snails? 00:31:18.625 --> 00:31:20.086 What do the snails represent? 00:31:20.126 --> 00:31:20.747 What's that about? 00:31:21.788 --> 00:31:22.508 Okay. 00:31:23.509 --> 00:31:27.152 Like I said, I was making this, like, 00:31:27.412 --> 00:31:30.273 I'll say, like, comparison. 00:31:31.234 --> 00:31:31.494 Yeah. 00:31:32.471 --> 00:31:37.034 Comparing how there's 00:31:37.374 --> 00:31:39.914 certain animals that have 00:31:39.974 --> 00:31:43.655 this ability to protect 00:31:43.695 --> 00:31:46.938 themselves or to have a 00:31:47.238 --> 00:31:48.557 place where to hide. 00:31:50.219 --> 00:31:53.299 And there's this animal that have shells, 00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.741 like the hermit crab, the snail. 00:31:58.569 --> 00:32:01.371 armadillo, the tortuga, I mean, uh, 00:32:01.431 --> 00:32:01.871 tortoise. 00:32:02.550 --> 00:32:03.111 Yeah. 00:32:03.810 --> 00:32:07.271 Um, yeah, like that type of animals that, 00:32:08.112 --> 00:32:09.951 you know, they, they can go whenever they, 00:32:10.011 --> 00:32:10.752 whatever they want. 00:32:10.853 --> 00:32:12.173 And at the same time, 00:32:12.212 --> 00:32:13.752 they have a place where to stay, 00:32:14.212 --> 00:32:15.432 where to feel protected. 00:32:15.452 --> 00:32:19.233 Uh, and I, I made that, uh, like, 00:32:20.615 --> 00:32:25.154 it could be like metaphor, like how, uh, 00:32:26.915 --> 00:32:27.615 humans, like, 00:32:28.413 --> 00:32:33.296 should have that ability to 00:32:33.336 --> 00:32:34.416 leave whatever they want, 00:32:34.757 --> 00:32:37.598 to have a place where to feel safe, 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:38.339 protected. 00:32:40.361 --> 00:32:44.743 And I made that comparison 00:32:45.684 --> 00:32:48.586 for trying to use a snail 00:32:48.646 --> 00:32:50.127 as a representation of 00:32:50.988 --> 00:32:52.249 those people that don't 00:32:52.308 --> 00:32:53.309 have a place where to go. 00:32:54.494 --> 00:32:56.395 Actually, in that piece, 00:32:56.415 --> 00:32:59.237 there's a snail who has a broken shell. 00:33:01.538 --> 00:33:02.817 And it represents those 00:33:02.877 --> 00:33:05.719 people that have lost their houses, 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.039 have to move. 00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:11.402 It's not only because of financial 00:33:15.693 --> 00:33:17.174 I say financial problems, 00:33:18.135 --> 00:33:19.257 it could be also because 00:33:19.698 --> 00:33:20.557 there's a conflict. 00:33:21.679 --> 00:33:23.000 There's a, you know, 00:33:23.019 --> 00:33:24.582 this part of the world 00:33:24.622 --> 00:33:25.321 where there's like 00:33:25.383 --> 00:33:28.224 conflicts and people have to run away, 00:33:28.965 --> 00:33:30.846 you know, from, you know, 00:33:31.048 --> 00:33:32.469 trying to find a new place 00:33:32.509 --> 00:33:35.471 where to feel safe. 00:33:36.271 --> 00:33:38.493 And yeah, that's, I think that's the, 00:33:39.474 --> 00:33:42.718 the snails represent that, those people. 00:33:43.867 --> 00:33:45.008 That is so amazing. 00:33:45.067 --> 00:33:45.548 Super cool. 00:33:45.588 --> 00:33:47.308 Now that I have the context, 00:33:47.429 --> 00:33:48.569 it's super cool. 00:33:49.190 --> 00:33:51.070 Wow, it's so dope. 00:33:51.391 --> 00:33:52.510 Another thing I wanted to ask you, 00:33:52.550 --> 00:33:54.451 because what I've also seen 00:33:54.731 --> 00:33:58.693 in a lot of your work is color. 00:34:00.054 --> 00:34:02.055 When did you start 00:34:02.255 --> 00:34:04.296 incorporating color and why? 00:34:04.316 --> 00:34:09.797 OK, I'm going to say that piece. 00:34:11.251 --> 00:34:12.012 It's not completed. 00:34:12.931 --> 00:34:16.434 I still have to finish it. 00:34:18.235 --> 00:34:21.297 The reason it has red is 00:34:21.336 --> 00:34:23.838 because that's the area I 00:34:24.057 --> 00:34:26.800 still have to carve. 00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:28.701 Because when we are carving, 00:34:29.822 --> 00:34:31.802 we need to have a color to 00:34:31.862 --> 00:34:33.884 contrast where we're cutting. 00:34:34.443 --> 00:34:36.204 Because if we just carve it like that, 00:34:36.224 --> 00:34:38.967 we're just going to see the wood 00:34:39.887 --> 00:34:40.847 And we don't want to see 00:34:40.867 --> 00:34:41.947 like what we're carving. 00:34:42.447 --> 00:34:44.849 So first we have to paint 00:34:44.889 --> 00:34:47.951 the wood or the lino red or 00:34:48.010 --> 00:34:48.592 another color. 00:34:48.652 --> 00:34:49.452 It can be another color. 00:34:50.152 --> 00:34:51.873 But it's used to make contrast. 00:34:51.893 --> 00:34:53.193 When you're carving, okay, oh, 00:34:53.273 --> 00:34:54.755 so I see where I'm carving. 00:34:55.876 --> 00:34:57.715 Yeah, in that piece, like as you said, 00:34:57.797 --> 00:35:00.137 the red part is the area I 00:35:00.157 --> 00:35:01.117 still have to carve. 00:35:02.458 --> 00:35:04.219 Yeah, I didn't have time to carve it. 00:35:05.318 --> 00:35:07.139 I don't know if some... I 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.081 think just people that have 00:35:09.442 --> 00:35:11.284 experience with cutting, 00:35:11.704 --> 00:35:15.347 they will know the difference. 00:35:15.568 --> 00:35:16.809 But you do add color to some 00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:17.809 of your pieces, though, right? 00:35:18.030 --> 00:35:18.269 Yeah. 00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:18.751 Yeah. 00:35:23.927 --> 00:35:24.568 I haven't, yeah, 00:35:24.708 --> 00:35:26.331 like last year I started to 00:35:26.751 --> 00:35:28.132 try to incorporate, 00:35:28.152 --> 00:35:28.934 there are some pieces I 00:35:28.954 --> 00:35:29.974 have been doing with color 00:35:31.295 --> 00:35:32.056 because I said like, 00:35:33.438 --> 00:35:35.141 I also want to make my 00:35:35.221 --> 00:35:38.945 pieces colorful because I also, 00:35:39.005 --> 00:35:39.585 I say like, 00:35:39.646 --> 00:35:41.989 I come from a colorful culture. 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.742 And I say I should start 00:35:45.782 --> 00:35:48.766 like incorporate color to my pieces. 00:35:50.586 --> 00:35:53.329 Actually, the next pieces I'm working on, 00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:55.753 that's one of the goals to 00:35:55.813 --> 00:35:57.054 incorporate color, you know. 00:35:59.275 --> 00:36:00.496 Yeah, but yeah, 00:36:00.516 --> 00:36:02.219 that's the way like I 00:36:02.259 --> 00:36:03.860 started to incorporate color too. 00:36:04.994 --> 00:36:06.755 Got you. 00:36:07.056 --> 00:36:07.835 Because growing up in the 00:36:07.856 --> 00:36:08.976 Oaxacan culture that's so 00:36:09.016 --> 00:36:10.516 full of color and life, it's like, 00:36:10.536 --> 00:36:11.896 I got to add some color to 00:36:11.936 --> 00:36:14.436 this bland thing going on. 00:36:14.896 --> 00:36:16.157 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:36:16.557 --> 00:36:17.197 I got you. 00:36:17.717 --> 00:36:18.137 I love that. 00:36:18.177 --> 00:36:19.438 You know, color, you know, 00:36:19.458 --> 00:36:20.778 what's kind of crazy is that I, 00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:21.599 in my opinion, 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:22.878 it's like they give two 00:36:22.898 --> 00:36:24.059 different types of vibe, right? 00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:26.000 Like black and white give 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:26.780 you a different vibe. 00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:28.561 And then having color also 00:36:28.581 --> 00:36:29.900 gives like a different type of vibe too, 00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:30.161 you know? 00:36:32.025 --> 00:36:33.025 I guess it just depends on 00:36:34.306 --> 00:36:35.547 the vibe you're trying to go for. 00:36:35.567 --> 00:36:37.608 Right? 00:36:38.469 --> 00:36:39.068 Yeah. 00:36:39.489 --> 00:36:41.431 Actually, when I carve my pieces, 00:36:41.550 --> 00:36:45.574 I like how they look on the wood. 00:36:45.934 --> 00:36:47.175 I like that texture and I 00:36:47.215 --> 00:36:48.014 like how they look. 00:36:49.835 --> 00:36:50.896 That's why when I print them, 00:36:51.536 --> 00:36:53.778 sometimes I don't like how 00:36:53.818 --> 00:36:55.039 they look on the prints. 00:36:56.621 --> 00:36:58.161 It will be only if I get like... 00:37:00.675 --> 00:37:03.197 a paper that's close to that color, 00:37:03.277 --> 00:37:06.079 you know, to keep the same, like, 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:06.501 texture. 00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:09.943 But, yeah, most of the time I, like, 00:37:10.043 --> 00:37:11.865 I prefer my pieces like that. 00:37:12.246 --> 00:37:14.768 And it's also one of the reasons, like, 00:37:14.869 --> 00:37:15.809 I think, like, 00:37:16.650 --> 00:37:19.012 I don't print a lot of my stuff because, 00:37:20.012 --> 00:37:22.556 yeah, sometimes I'm like, you know what, 00:37:22.596 --> 00:37:23.556 they look nice. 00:37:23.617 --> 00:37:24.617 It looks nice like that. 00:37:24.657 --> 00:37:25.798 I don't want to print it. 00:37:26.621 --> 00:37:28.561 But then, you know, 00:37:29.061 --> 00:37:31.682 you have to sell to your art, you know, 00:37:31.702 --> 00:37:34.724 to, you know, and there's people that, 00:37:34.764 --> 00:37:35.764 you know, okay, 00:37:35.824 --> 00:37:37.726 I would like to have a print, you know? 00:37:38.445 --> 00:37:38.726 Okay. 00:37:38.766 --> 00:37:38.945 Yeah. 00:37:39.567 --> 00:37:41.588 But like, yeah, for me, it's like, 00:37:42.507 --> 00:37:43.407 I prefer like that. 00:37:44.168 --> 00:37:44.389 No. 00:37:44.449 --> 00:37:44.728 Yeah. 00:37:45.429 --> 00:37:46.289 But Hey, sometimes, you know, 00:37:46.309 --> 00:37:47.949 you gotta supply the demand. 00:37:47.969 --> 00:37:48.550 You know what I mean? 00:37:48.570 --> 00:37:48.650 Yeah. 00:37:49.864 --> 00:37:51.164 And you know what I learned 00:37:51.204 --> 00:37:52.304 sometimes as artists is and 00:37:52.324 --> 00:37:53.625 I guess in the business world, too, 00:37:53.664 --> 00:37:56.146 sometimes is this like you 00:37:56.166 --> 00:37:57.666 may personally or we as the 00:37:57.746 --> 00:37:58.865 creators may personally 00:37:58.907 --> 00:38:01.067 feel a certain way about something. 00:38:01.606 --> 00:38:03.547 But then the customer or the 00:38:03.648 --> 00:38:04.867 audience may be like, hey, 00:38:05.347 --> 00:38:06.548 I really like this when you 00:38:06.588 --> 00:38:07.789 do this or I really like it. 00:38:07.849 --> 00:38:10.090 That's when you're like, well, OK, well, 00:38:10.130 --> 00:38:11.469 if you want it, then you go. 00:38:12.351 --> 00:38:13.492 Yeah, just buy the gold. 00:38:15.514 --> 00:38:17.976 Yeah, because people also, like, 00:38:18.036 --> 00:38:19.057 ask me about, like, oh, 00:38:19.418 --> 00:38:21.119 are you selling the original, like, 00:38:21.219 --> 00:38:21.699 the woodcut? 00:38:22.181 --> 00:38:23.101 And I'm like, no, 00:38:23.181 --> 00:38:25.123 because this is the original, 00:38:25.224 --> 00:38:26.905 and this is where I get the prints, 00:38:27.005 --> 00:38:27.304 you know? 00:38:27.806 --> 00:38:28.847 If I sell it, like, 00:38:28.907 --> 00:38:30.347 maybe that person is going to, like, 00:38:30.507 --> 00:38:31.789 reproduce a piece, you know? 00:38:32.869 --> 00:38:33.311 Yeah, 00:38:33.490 --> 00:38:34.672 and how would you protect yourself 00:38:34.711 --> 00:38:35.092 from that? 00:38:35.873 --> 00:38:36.893 Yeah, that's it. 00:38:37.677 --> 00:38:38.056 Oh, you know, 00:38:38.237 --> 00:38:39.018 a good way you could probably 00:38:39.057 --> 00:38:41.398 do it is if you carved your name into it, 00:38:41.998 --> 00:38:43.119 then that could probably protect it. 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:47.822 It could be also used like I 00:38:47.862 --> 00:38:51.222 wanted to try to seal them, use like, 00:38:51.463 --> 00:38:51.864 I don't know, 00:38:51.903 --> 00:38:53.364 like resin or something like that. 00:38:54.005 --> 00:39:00.128 So it would be much harder to print. 00:39:00.208 --> 00:39:00.487 Yeah, 00:39:01.467 --> 00:39:03.409 because that would be actually 00:39:03.429 --> 00:39:04.429 probably a good way 00:39:06.061 --> 00:39:06.961 pretty profitable, right? 00:39:06.981 --> 00:39:08.103 If you actually sold the original, 00:39:08.123 --> 00:39:09.324 you could probably make 00:39:09.344 --> 00:39:10.164 some good money off of it. 00:39:11.045 --> 00:39:11.364 Yeah. 00:39:11.806 --> 00:39:14.927 But, uh, it will be much, much, uh, 00:39:14.967 --> 00:39:16.009 how to say, um, 00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:19.931 expensive or like expensive 00:39:19.972 --> 00:39:22.293 because like the prints you say, you know, 00:39:22.574 --> 00:39:24.155 you can sell it like lower 00:39:24.195 --> 00:39:25.637 than the original piece, you know? 00:39:25.817 --> 00:39:26.137 Yeah. 00:39:27.838 --> 00:39:28.338 Exactly. 00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.201 It's another, another, uh, another, uh, 00:39:31.240 --> 00:39:33.143 thing I like trying to like, uh, 00:39:34.735 --> 00:39:38.797 to price my pieces. 00:39:39.657 --> 00:39:40.958 I think that's one of the 00:39:42.177 --> 00:39:44.398 difficult things about an 00:39:44.458 --> 00:39:48.021 artist is how to price your art. 00:39:48.041 --> 00:39:50.842 Because you want to sell it 00:39:52.902 --> 00:39:56.264 as much as you can to make a profit, 00:39:56.644 --> 00:39:57.224 but also 00:39:59.411 --> 00:40:00.592 there's gonna be people that, 00:40:01.492 --> 00:40:02.594 or it's gonna take time to 00:40:02.634 --> 00:40:03.255 sell your piece. 00:40:03.916 --> 00:40:06.599 And also like, if you lower your price, 00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:07.940 it's like, 00:40:09.081 --> 00:40:10.402 you're also giving like an 00:40:10.503 --> 00:40:11.965 image that your art is cheap. 00:40:12.664 --> 00:40:14.067 Yeah, yeah. 00:40:15.387 --> 00:40:15.789 Yeah, 00:40:15.849 --> 00:40:19.351 that's one of the things like we have 00:40:19.371 --> 00:40:20.574 to figure as an artist. 00:40:21.018 --> 00:40:21.277 Definitely. 00:40:21.318 --> 00:40:22.519 That's definitely one of the 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:23.701 hardest things as artists 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:24.862 is the business side of it 00:40:25.362 --> 00:40:26.684 is knowing how to handle the business. 00:40:26.704 --> 00:40:28.646 We know how to do the creative side, 00:40:28.666 --> 00:40:30.688 but we just don't know our worth. 00:40:31.329 --> 00:40:32.550 And there's some people and 00:40:32.590 --> 00:40:33.391 you've probably seen them. 00:40:33.952 --> 00:40:34.532 You see there, 00:40:34.552 --> 00:40:35.293 you probably look at their 00:40:35.333 --> 00:40:36.815 work and you're like, wow, 00:40:36.835 --> 00:40:37.936 they're charging this much. 00:40:38.056 --> 00:40:38.918 It's not even that good. 00:40:40.023 --> 00:40:43.605 And sometimes I think that's 00:40:43.644 --> 00:40:44.405 kind of what it comes down 00:40:44.465 --> 00:40:46.266 to is like having the faith 00:40:46.306 --> 00:40:47.085 and the belief that your 00:40:47.326 --> 00:40:49.367 work is worth a certain amount. 00:40:50.106 --> 00:40:51.786 And I've been learning too 00:40:51.847 --> 00:40:54.047 that sometimes you can kind 00:40:54.088 --> 00:40:55.628 of like push the envelope a 00:40:55.668 --> 00:40:57.208 little bit and people will 00:40:58.188 --> 00:40:59.289 agree that hey this the art 00:40:59.349 --> 00:41:00.471 is the art is worth this 00:41:00.550 --> 00:41:02.632 much and especially if you 00:41:03.393 --> 00:41:04.494 especially if you start to 00:41:04.514 --> 00:41:05.855 like have a conversation 00:41:05.875 --> 00:41:06.695 with people and like like 00:41:06.715 --> 00:41:08.697 hey this is done by hand 00:41:09.057 --> 00:41:09.797 this takes me this amount 00:41:09.818 --> 00:41:11.380 of time I need this like 00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:12.099 you know like you start to 00:41:12.139 --> 00:41:13.061 break it down for people 00:41:13.081 --> 00:41:16.023 then like oh wow like yeah 00:41:17.063 --> 00:41:19.106 yeah when I when I try to 00:41:19.206 --> 00:41:20.467 when I exhibit I also 00:41:20.586 --> 00:41:22.449 always I don't know I 00:41:22.469 --> 00:41:23.969 always want to try to like 00:41:24.675 --> 00:41:27.836 have the original, they have the copy, 00:41:27.856 --> 00:41:28.197 you know, 00:41:28.237 --> 00:41:32.259 so people can see like what was 00:41:32.278 --> 00:41:34.099 the work behind that, the print. 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:35.860 Because sometimes they just 00:41:36.001 --> 00:41:38.782 see the print and they say, oh, 00:41:39.161 --> 00:41:40.623 it's just a drawing, you know, 00:41:40.643 --> 00:41:42.923 it's easy to do. 00:41:43.483 --> 00:41:45.545 But when you see like how it's carved, 00:41:45.585 --> 00:41:47.306 like all the cuts I had to do, 00:41:47.865 --> 00:41:50.646 it's like the people like can see like, 00:41:50.947 --> 00:41:52.628 okay, so it was this work. 00:41:53.922 --> 00:41:56.764 do this you know like uh 00:41:56.784 --> 00:41:58.525 yeah you used to see that 00:41:58.565 --> 00:41:59.945 the the work the hard work 00:41:59.965 --> 00:42:01.327 behind it yeah the work 00:42:01.367 --> 00:42:02.568 behind it the to make the 00:42:02.588 --> 00:42:04.148 beautiful work you know and 00:42:04.510 --> 00:42:05.449 uh correct me if I'm wrong 00:42:05.469 --> 00:42:07.030 cesar but you know you 00:42:07.092 --> 00:42:09.293 found this artwork when you 00:42:09.313 --> 00:42:10.353 went with your dad and your 00:42:10.373 --> 00:42:13.996 brother correct I found I 00:42:14.036 --> 00:42:15.597 found this this uh 00:42:16.949 --> 00:42:17.730 This type of art? 00:42:17.909 --> 00:42:18.550 This type of art? 00:42:18.751 --> 00:42:19.190 Okay, yeah. 00:42:19.311 --> 00:42:19.590 Right? 00:42:19.791 --> 00:42:21.873 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:42:21.913 --> 00:42:25.856 So, like I said, my dad is a woodworker. 00:42:26.817 --> 00:42:28.617 Like, he makes, like, you know, like, 00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:30.559 furnitures. 00:42:31.099 --> 00:42:31.981 He carves. 00:42:32.101 --> 00:42:34.242 He makes sculptures with wood. 00:42:35.284 --> 00:42:35.443 Yeah. 00:42:36.043 --> 00:42:38.567 But, like, actually, the wood carving, 00:42:38.586 --> 00:42:42.128 like, this technique, 00:42:42.208 --> 00:42:43.150 it was because of my dad 00:42:43.170 --> 00:42:44.710 because he took me, 00:42:45.331 --> 00:42:46.432 he took my brother and I 00:42:47.184 --> 00:42:52.769 to a linocut workshop in our community. 00:42:53.389 --> 00:42:54.831 And it was the first time I 00:42:54.871 --> 00:42:58.894 got like immersed in this technique. 00:43:00.056 --> 00:43:01.257 And because it was like a 00:43:01.416 --> 00:43:03.498 free workshop for the community, 00:43:04.018 --> 00:43:05.000 because in our community, 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.581 we didn't have like a lot of like, 00:43:08.043 --> 00:43:09.123 how to say, like workshops. 00:43:09.704 --> 00:43:12.146 So it was, this thing was from the, 00:43:12.226 --> 00:43:15.148 like as a plan for the, 00:43:17.438 --> 00:43:18.119 by the government. 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.539 The government brought those 00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:21.820 workshops to the community. 00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:24.420 And yeah, 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:25.802 it was the first time I got 00:43:25.902 --> 00:43:26.902 immersed in that technique. 00:43:29.123 --> 00:43:31.724 And then it was like two 00:43:31.784 --> 00:43:32.963 workshops or three. 00:43:34.833 --> 00:43:36.853 And like we stopped doing it 00:43:36.893 --> 00:43:39.215 because there was no more workshops. 00:43:39.894 --> 00:43:41.635 And also like to get the tools over there, 00:43:41.655 --> 00:43:43.016 it was expensive. 00:43:43.036 --> 00:43:45.416 The only way you could get 00:43:45.456 --> 00:43:47.277 the materials if you live in the city, 00:43:48.297 --> 00:43:53.059 which it was like 45 meters 00:43:53.099 --> 00:43:54.360 from where we live. 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.141 And like it's just expensive. 00:43:57.181 --> 00:43:58.121 Like living over there is 00:43:58.181 --> 00:43:59.601 like expensive to go to the city, 00:43:59.621 --> 00:43:59.902 you know? 00:44:00.387 --> 00:44:02.947 We didn't used to go that 00:44:03.027 --> 00:44:05.088 often to the city. 00:44:05.349 --> 00:44:06.309 Yeah, and like I said, 00:44:06.409 --> 00:44:08.969 to get those materials, it was expensive. 00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:11.590 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:44:12.911 --> 00:44:14.351 The reason why I brought it up, Cesar, 00:44:14.391 --> 00:44:17.072 is because, you know... I'm sorry, 00:44:17.112 --> 00:44:17.751 did I interrupt you? 00:44:18.773 --> 00:44:19.572 No, it's okay, no. 00:44:20.032 --> 00:44:21.313 So the reason why I brought it up, Cesar, 00:44:21.333 --> 00:44:22.233 is because, you know, 00:44:22.393 --> 00:44:23.134 you came across this 00:44:23.153 --> 00:44:25.735 beautiful art form with your family, 00:44:25.775 --> 00:44:25.954 right? 00:44:25.994 --> 00:44:27.394 With your father and your brother. 00:44:27.414 --> 00:44:28.255 Do you... 00:44:29.648 --> 00:44:30.907 Do you plan on passing this 00:44:31.528 --> 00:44:32.568 or sharing this art form 00:44:32.588 --> 00:44:35.550 down eventually if you have kids? 00:44:35.929 --> 00:44:36.969 I'm assuming you don't have kids, 00:44:37.309 --> 00:44:38.190 but probably want kids. 00:44:38.690 --> 00:44:41.311 Do you plan on sharing art 00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:43.791 with your children when you have them? 00:44:45.251 --> 00:44:45.632 Yeah, 00:44:45.771 --> 00:44:47.172 if I have the chance or the 00:44:47.193 --> 00:44:49.492 opportunity to have a kid. 00:44:49.532 --> 00:44:52.233 Right now it's not in my plan, but yeah, 00:44:52.253 --> 00:44:56.034 I would like to pass down that technique. 00:44:57.503 --> 00:44:59.025 But not only to them, you know, 00:44:59.164 --> 00:45:00.824 use to the next generation. 00:45:00.844 --> 00:45:04.007 Like, I don't want this technique to, 00:45:04.266 --> 00:45:08.527 you know, get lost or, yeah. 00:45:09.509 --> 00:45:10.289 That's why like, 00:45:10.469 --> 00:45:11.389 that's one of the purpose 00:45:11.429 --> 00:45:12.630 also like of the, 00:45:12.889 --> 00:45:14.389 or the goals from the 00:45:15.590 --> 00:45:16.911 collective where I belong to. 00:45:17.070 --> 00:45:19.552 It's a printmaking collective. 00:45:19.632 --> 00:45:21.672 It's called Grafica Nocturna. 00:45:23.592 --> 00:45:24.273 It's a printmaking, 00:45:26.048 --> 00:45:28.851 collecting that was worn 00:45:28.891 --> 00:45:29.972 here in San Bernardino. 00:45:30.692 --> 00:45:33.353 And like I say, 00:45:35.934 --> 00:45:37.695 it was created by local 00:45:37.835 --> 00:45:42.679 artists that got interest to, you know, 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:43.780 to promote this technique. 00:45:46.083 --> 00:45:46.985 And like I said, 00:45:47.005 --> 00:45:50.728 it was thanks to the artist 00:45:50.809 --> 00:45:53.032 in residence at Studio Aire 00:45:53.771 --> 00:45:55.393 where the collective started. 00:45:58.237 --> 00:45:59.237 Because like I said, 00:45:59.958 --> 00:46:02.461 I had this large piece I 00:46:02.501 --> 00:46:06.445 wanted to create and I wanted to 00:46:08.324 --> 00:46:09.646 to get the community involved. 00:46:10.186 --> 00:46:11.907 And I invited some artists 00:46:11.947 --> 00:46:13.648 that I got to know here, 00:46:14.289 --> 00:46:15.489 and artists in residence 00:46:15.710 --> 00:46:16.990 that were after me. 00:46:17.612 --> 00:46:20.653 And I was teaching some of them, 00:46:20.853 --> 00:46:22.155 sharing my knowledge, 00:46:24.257 --> 00:46:25.818 because some of them were beginners. 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:28.639 And that's how we started. 00:46:28.699 --> 00:46:29.541 Then after that, 00:46:29.601 --> 00:46:30.601 we had the opportunity to 00:46:30.661 --> 00:46:32.722 showcase that piece at the 00:46:32.782 --> 00:46:36.025 Cheech Marine Center in Riverside. 00:46:38.094 --> 00:46:39.615 And after that, it was like, oh, 00:46:39.635 --> 00:46:40.077 you know what? 00:46:41.038 --> 00:46:42.179 We should create a collective. 00:46:43.139 --> 00:46:44.521 We like how we work together. 00:46:45.141 --> 00:46:47.262 And that's when we started 00:46:47.302 --> 00:46:52.106 to create this collective with Julissa, 00:46:53.367 --> 00:46:57.291 Brenda, Sarah, Adam. 00:46:57.311 --> 00:46:59.954 Those are some of the first 00:46:59.974 --> 00:47:03.277 people that started to get 00:47:03.356 --> 00:47:05.157 interested in the printmaking. 00:47:06.289 --> 00:47:09.110 Adam and Sarah, they already had, like, 00:47:09.170 --> 00:47:10.952 experience, like, some experience, like, 00:47:11.391 --> 00:47:12.112 doing pre-making. 00:47:14.193 --> 00:47:16.356 So, yeah, that's how, like, 00:47:16.815 --> 00:47:19.117 the collective was started. 00:47:19.257 --> 00:47:20.719 And, you know, that's a goal, like, 00:47:20.798 --> 00:47:24.581 promote and getting people, like, more, 00:47:24.621 --> 00:47:26.322 like, interact, you know, 00:47:26.362 --> 00:47:27.422 with that technique. 00:47:28.782 --> 00:47:29.061 Awesome. 00:47:29.081 --> 00:47:29.742 And it's so great that you 00:47:29.782 --> 00:47:30.543 brought it up because I was 00:47:30.563 --> 00:47:31.344 going to ask you like, 00:47:31.364 --> 00:47:33.786 how did Grafica Naterna, Naterna, 00:47:33.905 --> 00:47:35.726 how did it start and things like that? 00:47:35.746 --> 00:47:36.427 And so basically, 00:47:36.847 --> 00:47:37.927 cause you're the co-creator, right? 00:47:37.967 --> 00:47:38.688 Co-founder of it. 00:47:39.148 --> 00:47:39.389 Yeah. 00:47:39.449 --> 00:47:41.070 I'm a, one of the co-creators of the, 00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:41.351 yeah. 00:47:41.371 --> 00:47:43.192 I was curious, like, I was like, 00:47:43.211 --> 00:47:44.052 how did it start? 00:47:44.472 --> 00:47:45.574 And so basically you guys are just like, 00:47:45.594 --> 00:47:46.853 we want to bring this 00:47:46.934 --> 00:47:48.355 printmaking style to the 00:47:48.394 --> 00:47:50.277 community and make it all stuff. 00:47:50.876 --> 00:47:51.157 Yeah. 00:47:51.797 --> 00:47:53.759 Because like I said, um, before, uh, 00:47:56.586 --> 00:47:58.688 In Oaxaca, you can see this, 00:47:58.768 --> 00:47:59.969 like there's a lot of workshops, 00:48:00.090 --> 00:48:02.271 pre-making workshops in the city, 00:48:02.311 --> 00:48:02.672 you know? 00:48:03.293 --> 00:48:03.552 Yeah. 00:48:04.112 --> 00:48:08.016 And it's like seeing like, 00:48:08.137 --> 00:48:09.237 how can I explain it? 00:48:09.378 --> 00:48:11.940 It's like if you see like 00:48:13.300 --> 00:48:14.681 fast foods or McDonald's. 00:48:15.101 --> 00:48:17.264 Got you, on every corner, on every corner. 00:48:17.284 --> 00:48:18.324 It's like that, 00:48:19.166 --> 00:48:21.668 you see like pre-making studios and like, 00:48:22.740 --> 00:48:24.942 You see one in the corner and another one, 00:48:24.981 --> 00:48:25.242 you know. 00:48:25.481 --> 00:48:26.181 On another corner. 00:48:27.021 --> 00:48:27.322 Yeah, 00:48:27.342 --> 00:48:28.742 and you see it on the streets too 00:48:28.842 --> 00:48:32.463 because they use the walls as canvas. 00:48:33.463 --> 00:48:33.963 I love that. 00:48:34.184 --> 00:48:35.643 But here in San Bernardino, 00:48:35.764 --> 00:48:37.905 like I didn't see that or I 00:48:37.945 --> 00:48:40.365 don't see very often here 00:48:40.385 --> 00:48:41.065 in San Bernardino. 00:48:41.985 --> 00:48:42.425 Gotcha. 00:48:43.405 --> 00:48:44.306 You know one thing that I 00:48:44.347 --> 00:48:45.967 liked is that when you guys 00:48:46.007 --> 00:48:46.646 make your boots, 00:48:47.106 --> 00:48:47.788 you guys like make like 00:48:47.807 --> 00:48:49.367 little temporary tattoos with it. 00:48:50.557 --> 00:48:51.378 I really like that. 00:48:51.418 --> 00:48:52.338 How did that idea come about? 00:48:52.358 --> 00:48:52.938 I really like that. 00:48:52.958 --> 00:48:56.760 That's super cool. 00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:59.481 I wouldn't say we didn't create it, 00:48:59.541 --> 00:49:01.041 because there's some 00:49:01.081 --> 00:49:02.523 printmakers that do that. 00:49:04.003 --> 00:49:06.384 But I will say that here in 00:49:06.423 --> 00:49:08.224 the Inland Empire, 00:49:08.244 --> 00:49:09.264 we have been one of the 00:49:09.304 --> 00:49:12.726 first that have been 00:49:12.826 --> 00:49:16.327 exploring this way of printmaking. 00:49:17.922 --> 00:49:20.543 the most and it started 00:49:20.563 --> 00:49:24.045 because some members of the collective, 00:49:24.786 --> 00:49:26.367 like female members, 00:49:27.106 --> 00:49:28.668 they had this like project. 00:49:29.268 --> 00:49:31.289 It was more like a performance also, 00:49:31.708 --> 00:49:32.690 performance and like 00:49:32.730 --> 00:49:35.931 project where they created these pieces 00:49:39.463 --> 00:49:41.626 And then they will have the 00:49:41.646 --> 00:49:42.666 performance where they 00:49:43.646 --> 00:49:45.248 tattoo themselves with that. 00:49:45.708 --> 00:49:47.369 And at that moment, before that, 00:49:47.429 --> 00:49:53.795 we were looking for ways to how to tattoo, 00:49:53.896 --> 00:49:55.257 how to get those printed on the skin. 00:49:59.590 --> 00:50:00.652 That's how I started with 00:50:00.672 --> 00:50:03.333 that performance. 00:50:03.873 --> 00:50:04.713 And that same day, 00:50:04.934 --> 00:50:06.614 we had a band in Riverside 00:50:07.255 --> 00:50:11.016 when we started to implement this thing. 00:50:11.757 --> 00:50:13.318 And we started to notice 00:50:13.338 --> 00:50:14.739 that people loved that. 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:17.221 And since then, 00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:19.081 people have been interested. 00:50:20.202 --> 00:50:21.963 Because they like the interaction. 00:50:22.202 --> 00:50:23.043 They like to interact. 00:50:23.483 --> 00:50:27.065 And to see that, it's like, oh, wow. 00:50:27.266 --> 00:50:28.427 I didn't know you could do that. 00:50:31.452 --> 00:50:36.356 It's always crazy how the 00:50:36.436 --> 00:50:37.336 collective has grown 00:50:37.797 --> 00:50:39.677 because now we have been 00:50:39.737 --> 00:50:41.480 invited by organizations. 00:50:45.922 --> 00:50:47.423 Just recently we have been 00:50:48.425 --> 00:50:51.086 offered to work with UCR 00:50:52.467 --> 00:50:53.688 for a series of workshops. 00:50:54.630 --> 00:50:56.391 congratulations oh thank you 00:50:56.532 --> 00:50:58.411 we also work with uh chafee 00:50:58.612 --> 00:51:00.413 I mean yeah chafee college 00:51:01.793 --> 00:51:05.034 uh and uh I always still 00:51:05.054 --> 00:51:06.394 like talking about if you 00:51:06.835 --> 00:51:09.255 want to go to the uh what's 00:51:09.275 --> 00:51:13.277 this um ontario museum okay yeah 00:51:15.023 --> 00:51:15.744 Yeah, but I mean, 00:51:16.143 --> 00:51:17.846 and also like we have been 00:51:17.885 --> 00:51:18.967 included in grants. 00:51:20.168 --> 00:51:21.110 The next project we want to 00:51:21.130 --> 00:51:23.032 work on is going to be a 00:51:23.072 --> 00:51:25.074 project with PC4EG. 00:51:25.094 --> 00:51:27.797 I don't know if you're familiar with it. 00:51:27.896 --> 00:51:28.958 No, tell us what that is. 00:51:29.197 --> 00:51:30.219 Explain a little bit what that is. 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:30.880 Yeah, 00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:33.222 it's a nonprofit organization that 00:51:33.302 --> 00:51:33.742 works for... 00:51:35.728 --> 00:51:41.150 how do you say, environmental justice. 00:51:41.829 --> 00:51:43.731 Okay, like clean air, clean water. 00:51:44.251 --> 00:51:46.411 Clean water and house affordability, 00:51:46.811 --> 00:51:47.490 all those issues, 00:51:47.550 --> 00:51:49.452 like to let people know 00:51:49.512 --> 00:51:52.192 about and to give the community tools, 00:51:52.291 --> 00:51:55.413 you know, to get to know about, 00:51:57.293 --> 00:51:57.992 like you said, 00:51:58.012 --> 00:51:59.112 like the house affordability, 00:51:59.833 --> 00:52:01.193 like we want to work with 00:52:01.333 --> 00:52:02.614 them in a project about... 00:52:03.967 --> 00:52:05.789 how the airport is like uh 00:52:05.929 --> 00:52:08.070 the impact of the airport 00:52:08.130 --> 00:52:10.050 in the communities that are 00:52:10.311 --> 00:52:12.193 uh close to the airport 00:52:12.853 --> 00:52:13.992 yeah how it's affecting 00:52:14.333 --> 00:52:17.114 those communities wow yeah 00:52:17.155 --> 00:52:17.795 we want to work on 00:52:17.815 --> 00:52:20.556 developing a series of 00:52:20.597 --> 00:52:22.998 workshops uh to work with 00:52:23.038 --> 00:52:26.380 them yeah we're still like 00:52:26.659 --> 00:52:27.581 we're still gonna met 00:52:28.358 --> 00:52:30.800 or start working on that for, I think, 00:52:30.820 --> 00:52:31.679 next, this month. 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:32.880 Nice. 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.340 Already March, yeah. 00:52:34.481 --> 00:52:35.422 Cesar, 00:52:35.442 --> 00:52:36.722 I want to congratulate you on that 00:52:36.782 --> 00:52:37.182 project. 00:52:37.222 --> 00:52:39.304 Congratulations on that group, 00:52:39.324 --> 00:52:39.903 that collective. 00:52:39.923 --> 00:52:41.385 I also want to congratulate 00:52:41.405 --> 00:52:42.226 you on that exhibit, 00:52:42.246 --> 00:52:43.626 the one that we saw with 00:52:44.166 --> 00:52:44.987 the housing harvest. 00:52:45.027 --> 00:52:46.248 I want to congratulate you on that. 00:52:46.268 --> 00:52:47.248 I know that was something 00:52:47.268 --> 00:52:48.969 that was really recent and very big. 00:52:48.989 --> 00:52:50.829 So I wanted to congratulate 00:52:50.849 --> 00:52:51.791 you on that as well. 00:52:52.731 --> 00:52:53.012 You know, 00:52:53.132 --> 00:52:54.512 I was going through some of your 00:52:54.552 --> 00:52:56.072 work and I saw that there 00:52:56.092 --> 00:52:56.954 was some anime that, 00:52:57.873 --> 00:52:59.414 you know, your work. 00:52:59.474 --> 00:53:01.114 So talk to me about, 00:53:01.135 --> 00:53:02.954 do you have some anime influence in your, 00:53:03.135 --> 00:53:03.775 in your artwork? 00:53:06.896 --> 00:53:07.518 Okay. 00:53:08.697 --> 00:53:09.918 Well, since I was a kid, 00:53:10.018 --> 00:53:11.059 I think like the only, 00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:12.280 the only anime side, 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.461 like I was like exposed to was like, 00:53:17.927 --> 00:53:19.329 The first one was, like, Dragon Ball. 00:53:19.349 --> 00:53:20.869 It was, like, one of the first. 00:53:22.510 --> 00:53:24.532 Pokemon, like, Yu-Gi-Oh! 00:53:26.253 --> 00:53:27.974 Those are... But I wasn't, like, a big fan, 00:53:28.014 --> 00:53:28.894 like, of anime. 00:53:29.675 --> 00:53:32.818 And then when I started to 00:53:32.918 --> 00:53:35.518 customize shoes and jackets, like, 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.400 a lot of, like, teams, like... 00:53:38.742 --> 00:53:41.684 for the shoes or for those pieces, 00:53:42.525 --> 00:53:44.967 people always ask me, like anime, like, 00:53:44.987 --> 00:53:46.969 you know, could you do this character? 00:53:47.028 --> 00:53:48.088 Could you do this one? 00:53:49.030 --> 00:53:50.811 And I was like, yeah, 00:53:50.931 --> 00:53:52.893 I started to get more exposed to anime. 00:53:54.534 --> 00:53:55.735 And that's how I like 00:53:56.054 --> 00:53:58.356 started to like get curious about, oh, 00:53:58.717 --> 00:54:00.338 what is this anime about? 00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:05.670 And then I started to watch anime. 00:54:06.532 --> 00:54:08.913 And I think people have this 00:54:09.112 --> 00:54:10.634 misconception about anime 00:54:11.193 --> 00:54:12.414 that it's just for kids. 00:54:14.436 --> 00:54:15.936 This is your, like, you know, cartoon. 00:54:16.797 --> 00:54:21.059 But, like, a lot of them, they are dark. 00:54:21.099 --> 00:54:21.679 They are deep. 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:24.320 They're definitely not for kids. 00:54:24.340 --> 00:54:25.061 They're definitely for... 00:54:26.724 --> 00:54:28.965 way beyond kids yeah because 00:54:29.184 --> 00:54:30.164 like I said people think 00:54:30.204 --> 00:54:31.465 it's for child you know but 00:54:32.005 --> 00:54:33.867 no that and I think a lot 00:54:33.887 --> 00:54:35.047 of people are missing like 00:54:35.226 --> 00:54:38.148 really good shows uh from 00:54:38.248 --> 00:54:39.728 anime like anime shows you 00:54:39.768 --> 00:54:41.648 know they're uh yeah and 00:54:41.688 --> 00:54:43.429 that's uh like how I like 00:54:43.989 --> 00:54:44.791 started to get involved 00:54:44.811 --> 00:54:47.811 with uh or like I'm a fan 00:54:47.911 --> 00:54:49.072 of anime you know but I'm 00:54:49.112 --> 00:54:50.853 not like at that level of 00:54:50.893 --> 00:54:52.233 like you know cosplaying 00:54:52.293 --> 00:54:54.074 and like going to um 00:54:55.215 --> 00:54:58.317 conventions or buying stuff. 00:54:58.516 --> 00:55:00.097 No, it's like, it's more like, 00:55:00.177 --> 00:55:01.617 I just want to, I just like to watch it, 00:55:01.737 --> 00:55:01.998 you know? 00:55:02.097 --> 00:55:02.458 Got you. 00:55:02.697 --> 00:55:03.717 You're not cosplay yet. 00:55:03.797 --> 00:55:04.038 Soon. 00:55:04.097 --> 00:55:05.259 Maybe next year you'll be cosplay. 00:55:05.278 --> 00:55:05.739 Maybe next year. 00:55:06.918 --> 00:55:07.398 Probably. 00:55:07.838 --> 00:55:09.679 Probably maybe for Halloween. 00:55:10.539 --> 00:55:11.760 Yeah. 00:55:12.139 --> 00:55:14.521 You know, and I wanted to ask you because, 00:55:15.260 --> 00:55:17.621 you know, you started drawing, you know, 00:55:17.641 --> 00:55:18.601 this anime character on 00:55:18.661 --> 00:55:20.362 shoes and on different clothing. 00:55:21.123 --> 00:55:21.342 How... 00:55:22.333 --> 00:55:24.034 How different is your 00:55:24.074 --> 00:55:26.735 mindset and the ideas when 00:55:26.755 --> 00:55:29.458 you're doing these artworks 00:55:29.518 --> 00:55:31.318 on clothes versus when 00:55:31.338 --> 00:55:32.619 you're doing the artwork on 00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:33.981 wood with the tools? 00:55:35.362 --> 00:55:40.465 Okay, so yeah, I can answer that. 00:55:41.565 --> 00:55:41.766 Okay, 00:55:41.786 --> 00:55:43.347 when I do like anime or like 00:55:43.427 --> 00:55:45.429 customized pieces, it's like... 00:55:46.402 --> 00:55:47.503 I already have the idea 00:55:47.563 --> 00:55:50.027 because most of people come 00:55:50.047 --> 00:55:50.867 with suggestions. 00:55:50.907 --> 00:55:51.809 You know, oh, you know what? 00:55:52.150 --> 00:55:52.670 I want this. 00:55:52.769 --> 00:55:53.751 Could you do it like this 00:55:53.851 --> 00:55:54.672 with these colors? 00:55:56.635 --> 00:55:57.496 And I was like, okay. 00:55:57.576 --> 00:55:59.737 And it's much easier because, I mean, 00:55:59.757 --> 00:56:01.019 the design is already made. 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:01.920 You know, the character, 00:56:02.001 --> 00:56:02.961 I don't have to create the 00:56:03.001 --> 00:56:03.922 character for you. 00:56:04.202 --> 00:56:04.583 You know what? 00:56:05.481 --> 00:56:09.605 And yeah, it's much easier, you know, 00:56:09.664 --> 00:56:12.467 I just get reference from the internet, 00:56:12.487 --> 00:56:12.807 you know, 00:56:13.367 --> 00:56:15.610 and then I try just to like make 00:56:15.670 --> 00:56:18.291 it fit or like I use 00:56:18.391 --> 00:56:20.213 Procreate to like give an 00:56:20.293 --> 00:56:21.335 idea like how they're going 00:56:21.355 --> 00:56:25.518 to look and also to give 00:56:25.538 --> 00:56:26.878 the customer an idea of how 00:56:26.898 --> 00:56:27.478 they're going to look. 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.221 And it's much easier, you know, 00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:33.423 to do that because when I do my work, 00:56:34.045 --> 00:56:36.445 there's more work going in 00:56:36.505 --> 00:56:38.226 that because for like, 00:56:38.427 --> 00:56:40.588 I have to get the idea, uh, 00:56:40.648 --> 00:56:41.608 how I'm going to do it. 00:56:41.708 --> 00:56:44.248 And then like, if I need references, 00:56:44.389 --> 00:56:45.750 I have to take, well, I, 00:56:46.050 --> 00:56:48.871 most of the time I prefer to, to take, uh, 00:56:48.951 --> 00:56:50.532 photo references for my pieces. 00:56:51.592 --> 00:56:53.974 Uh, and I, I like to use, like, 00:56:54.014 --> 00:56:56.034 like I said, like people I know, people I, 00:56:56.054 --> 00:56:59.476 uh, I have an interaction with, um, 00:57:00.076 --> 00:57:01.836 because in that way I can like, 00:57:03.288 --> 00:57:03.688 I'm sorry. 00:57:03.788 --> 00:57:06.070 I can tell them like, okay, 00:57:06.090 --> 00:57:07.371 I want you to do this pose. 00:57:07.451 --> 00:57:08.411 I want you to do that. 00:57:09.791 --> 00:57:12.273 And yeah, it's much, it's much, 00:57:12.554 --> 00:57:14.155 there's more work behind my 00:57:14.695 --> 00:57:17.416 artwork than the pieces I 00:57:17.456 --> 00:57:18.617 do for like customers or 00:57:18.637 --> 00:57:19.619 like customized pieces. 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:21.460 And are you, 00:57:21.699 --> 00:57:22.701 are you still considering 00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:24.461 doing some more customized pieces again? 00:57:24.521 --> 00:57:25.543 Maybe jumping back into that 00:57:25.583 --> 00:57:26.222 world a little bit? 00:57:27.503 --> 00:57:30.106 Yeah, actually I have, I opened my, 00:57:31.202 --> 00:57:33.364 commissions uh last month 00:57:34.423 --> 00:57:35.545 yeah and I have some pieces 00:57:35.565 --> 00:57:36.985 like I'm uh I'm still 00:57:37.005 --> 00:57:40.387 working on uh yeah but I 00:57:40.427 --> 00:57:43.007 think I I'm more like uh 00:57:43.108 --> 00:57:45.108 focused on right now on uh 00:57:45.248 --> 00:57:47.610 my work by the uh the wood 00:57:47.650 --> 00:57:51.431 cuttings um but uh yeah I 00:57:51.452 --> 00:57:53.052 just try to find a balance 00:57:53.072 --> 00:57:57.695 you know uh yeah to do this and 00:57:59.168 --> 00:58:00.050 do the other one, you know? 00:58:00.469 --> 00:58:00.869 Yeah. 00:58:01.190 --> 00:58:01.271 Yeah. 00:58:01.291 --> 00:58:02.530 I used to find that about us. 00:58:02.652 --> 00:58:03.072 Yeah. 00:58:03.552 --> 00:58:03.751 You know, 00:58:03.771 --> 00:58:05.693 the good part about it is that in 00:58:05.713 --> 00:58:06.333 the end of the day, 00:58:06.454 --> 00:58:08.675 it's still art and you're creating art. 00:58:08.936 --> 00:58:09.436 You know what I mean? 00:58:10.155 --> 00:58:12.878 You're not dumping cement or 00:58:13.438 --> 00:58:14.278 emptying trash. 00:58:14.318 --> 00:58:14.920 You know, it's like, 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.400 regardless if you do this 00:58:16.481 --> 00:58:17.400 or regardless if you do that, 00:58:17.902 --> 00:58:18.621 you're creating art. 00:58:18.802 --> 00:58:19.722 So that's the good part about it. 00:58:19.762 --> 00:58:19.963 Right. 00:58:21.204 --> 00:58:21.403 Yeah. 00:58:22.083 --> 00:58:22.224 Right. 00:58:22.744 --> 00:58:25.867 So what's something that 00:58:26.106 --> 00:58:27.467 most people don't know about you? 00:58:29.132 --> 00:58:29.992 Even close friends. 00:58:31.934 --> 00:58:32.813 Only close friends? 00:58:33.213 --> 00:58:34.215 Even close friends. 00:58:34.695 --> 00:58:35.655 Not even your close friends. 00:58:35.855 --> 00:58:36.835 What's something that people 00:58:36.856 --> 00:58:37.516 don't know about you? 00:58:41.117 --> 00:58:42.157 Don't know about me? 00:58:44.538 --> 00:58:46.798 I don't know if they know I'm messy. 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.740 But when I work, 00:58:52.380 --> 00:58:54.402 I have all the tools everywhere. 00:58:54.422 --> 00:58:56.842 I think when I work with them, they 00:58:58.751 --> 00:58:59.431 It's like, you know, 00:58:59.452 --> 00:59:01.572 you are more aware about your space. 00:59:02.313 --> 00:59:03.793 But, yeah, but I think, like, 00:59:03.813 --> 00:59:05.153 when I work by myself, like, 00:59:05.853 --> 00:59:07.974 when I'm really messy, like, I have, like, 00:59:08.554 --> 00:59:11.815 tools here, like, ink, like, 00:59:11.855 --> 00:59:14.275 clothing everywhere, like, shoes. 00:59:15.655 --> 00:59:16.996 Like, the shoes I paint, like, I have it, 00:59:17.016 --> 00:59:18.777 like. 00:59:19.277 --> 00:59:20.856 That's one thing I'm trying to work on. 00:59:21.317 --> 00:59:22.777 But I don't know if they 00:59:22.818 --> 00:59:23.958 know about that or they 00:59:24.018 --> 00:59:24.737 notice about that. 00:59:25.818 --> 00:59:27.539 And another thing is, like, when I, 00:59:31.083 --> 00:59:36.286 I used to have an explosive character. 00:59:36.306 --> 00:59:39.568 I used to get mad when I 00:59:39.628 --> 00:59:43.530 didn't do the right things 00:59:43.550 --> 00:59:44.931 the way I wanted to do. 00:59:45.072 --> 00:59:47.733 Or they haven't seen me like that. 00:59:56.878 --> 00:59:58.920 But, yeah, I used to have that. 00:59:59.661 --> 01:00:01.061 I don't know if I still have it because, 01:00:01.322 --> 01:00:02.282 like I said, I have, like, 01:00:02.702 --> 01:00:04.262 getting in a situation where I, like, 01:00:05.543 --> 01:00:06.043 get to that. 01:00:07.304 --> 01:00:08.605 So you become, like, 01:00:08.625 --> 01:00:10.186 the Hulk and just start throwing things? 01:00:10.465 --> 01:00:11.846 You're like, ah! 01:00:12.726 --> 01:00:14.708 Yeah, because they see me like, you know, 01:00:15.708 --> 01:00:19.130 I'm very friendly, you know, or, like, 01:00:20.090 --> 01:00:20.490 yeah, like, 01:00:20.871 --> 01:00:23.192 friendly or I don't get angry or... 01:00:24.550 --> 01:00:27.393 But I think like most of us is like, 01:00:28.592 --> 01:00:31.114 we don't see like that side, you know? 01:00:31.414 --> 01:00:34.597 Like you could say the dark side, 01:00:34.617 --> 01:00:34.817 you know? 01:00:35.476 --> 01:00:36.958 I got you, dark side of the moon. 01:00:37.038 --> 01:00:37.498 I got you. 01:00:37.539 --> 01:00:37.759 Yeah. 01:00:38.438 --> 01:00:39.739 Yeah, you know, we're all full people, 01:00:39.820 --> 01:00:39.980 right? 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.001 Like we have a, you know, 01:00:42.041 --> 01:00:42.922 like we're full people. 01:00:42.961 --> 01:00:44.663 Like we're not always happy. 01:00:44.682 --> 01:00:45.543 We're not always sad. 01:00:45.563 --> 01:00:46.543 We're not always angry. 01:00:46.563 --> 01:00:48.684 You know, like we're full people. 01:00:48.704 --> 01:00:50.106 We have a full emotion, right? 01:00:50.746 --> 01:00:51.025 Yeah. 01:00:51.626 --> 01:00:51.867 Cesar, 01:00:51.887 --> 01:00:52.766 I want to thank you so much for 01:00:52.786 --> 01:00:53.628 being on The Empire. 01:00:54.614 --> 01:00:55.596 Can you tell us all some 01:00:55.635 --> 01:00:56.815 current projects that you're working on? 01:00:59.018 --> 01:00:59.717 Yes. 01:01:00.057 --> 01:01:01.278 Like I said before, 01:01:01.298 --> 01:01:03.880 I have two pieces I'm working on. 01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:06.581 Actually, 01:01:06.601 --> 01:01:08.222 I want to be part of also an 01:01:08.282 --> 01:01:10.844 exhibition at the Cheech. 01:01:10.864 --> 01:01:13.545 It's going to be, I think, 01:01:14.166 --> 01:01:15.726 October at the end of, 01:01:16.786 --> 01:01:20.068 I think it's going to be the fall or, 01:01:20.509 --> 01:01:21.969 yeah, the fall of this year. 01:01:23.297 --> 01:01:24.677 But also I got the 01:01:24.697 --> 01:01:26.018 opportunity to curate and 01:01:26.059 --> 01:01:30.619 exhibit the same place in June, July. 01:01:30.940 --> 01:01:33.380 So we haven't decided like 01:01:33.780 --> 01:01:34.681 exactly what date. 01:01:36.722 --> 01:01:37.402 That's one thing. 01:01:37.461 --> 01:01:39.041 And like we have this 01:01:39.101 --> 01:01:43.023 project with the collective. 01:01:43.043 --> 01:01:45.423 And I think there's going to 01:01:45.443 --> 01:01:46.623 be more projects coming up 01:01:47.063 --> 01:01:48.065 with the collective. 01:01:49.744 --> 01:01:53.005 But yeah, that's one of the things. 01:01:53.045 --> 01:01:57.244 And also I think I want to, 01:01:57.545 --> 01:02:00.585 I will have another exhibit in LA. 01:02:02.766 --> 01:02:03.927 I still have to check about that. 01:02:05.186 --> 01:02:05.467 Cool. 01:02:05.806 --> 01:02:06.226 Cool. 01:02:06.347 --> 01:02:07.166 We'll definitely follow you 01:02:07.206 --> 01:02:07.907 to keep up with that. 01:02:08.608 --> 01:02:08.847 Yeah. 01:02:08.947 --> 01:02:09.927 So those are one of the 01:02:09.967 --> 01:02:14.289 things I have been working on and yeah, 01:02:14.849 --> 01:02:15.349 for this year. 01:02:17.556 --> 01:02:18.478 Well, Cesar, again, 01:02:18.498 --> 01:02:19.297 I want to thank you so much 01:02:19.318 --> 01:02:20.378 for being on The Empire. 01:02:21.278 --> 01:02:23.719 Let's say 100 years pass by, 01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.500 200 years pass by, 500 years pass by. 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:29.061 What would you like your 01:02:29.240 --> 01:02:31.961 empire to look like, Cesar, regarding art, 01:02:32.461 --> 01:02:33.961 family, community? 01:02:34.463 --> 01:02:35.103 What would you like your 01:02:35.262 --> 01:02:36.643 empire to look like? 01:02:40.083 --> 01:02:41.105 You know what? 01:02:41.605 --> 01:02:45.405 I would like to see it, like, blooming. 01:02:46.126 --> 01:02:50.769 know to prosper um I would 01:02:50.789 --> 01:02:52.030 like to see like those 01:02:52.150 --> 01:02:54.472 issues that I i want to 01:02:54.592 --> 01:02:56.773 address on my pieces like 01:02:57.072 --> 01:02:59.215 maybe yeah in 100 years or 01:02:59.215 --> 01:03:01.715 200 years that we don't 01:03:01.755 --> 01:03:02.757 talk about those issues 01:03:02.817 --> 01:03:05.737 anymore like uh you know 01:03:05.777 --> 01:03:08.679 that we don't have to uh to 01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.442 keep others addressing those issues um 01:03:12.523 --> 01:03:14.965 Yeah, use that, like, you know, 01:03:15.606 --> 01:03:16.626 that all those problems, 01:03:16.668 --> 01:03:18.048 we could fix our problems, 01:03:18.068 --> 01:03:21.913 we could fix everything, you know? 01:03:23.735 --> 01:03:23.974 Yeah, 01:03:24.096 --> 01:03:26.998 so that's one of the things I think I 01:03:27.018 --> 01:03:28.280 would like to see in the future. 01:03:30.842 --> 01:03:33.485 I love that, to fix problems, I love that. 01:03:34.121 --> 01:03:35.222 I love that. 01:03:35.262 --> 01:03:35.682 Cesar, 01:03:35.963 --> 01:03:38.003 can you please tell everybody how 01:03:38.023 --> 01:03:39.764 they can find you, how they can reach you, 01:03:39.784 --> 01:03:40.943 how they can support your art? 01:03:41.425 --> 01:03:42.324 Can you please let everybody 01:03:42.344 --> 01:03:43.065 know how they can do that? 01:03:44.306 --> 01:03:44.565 Yes. 01:03:46.146 --> 01:03:46.867 Right now, 01:03:46.907 --> 01:03:49.487 the only social media use is Instagram. 01:03:50.327 --> 01:03:52.768 So you can follow me on Instagram. 01:03:54.864 --> 01:03:58.905 uh so I create creatix as c 01:03:59.726 --> 01:04:06.047 y c u a y and creatix 01:04:06.429 --> 01:04:08.489 creatix so so I creatix 01:04:09.389 --> 01:04:12.849 I'll say like that um yeah 01:04:13.610 --> 01:04:14.510 so that yeah that's the 01:04:14.530 --> 01:04:17.271 only like like because you 01:04:17.431 --> 01:04:18.612 can also you can email me 01:04:18.632 --> 01:04:21.333 through uh instagram um 01:04:22.315 --> 01:04:22.434 Yeah, 01:04:22.454 --> 01:04:24.476 but I should get more exposed to 01:04:24.556 --> 01:04:25.536 other social media. 01:04:27.516 --> 01:04:28.217 I will do it. 01:04:29.396 --> 01:04:31.518 Well, Instagram's a good go-to. 01:04:31.757 --> 01:04:32.938 Everyone uses Instagram. 01:04:32.958 --> 01:04:34.139 It's a good go-to. 01:04:34.179 --> 01:04:34.878 I guess LinkedIn would 01:04:34.918 --> 01:04:36.659 probably be another good one to get into. 01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:38.760 Instagram and Facebook are 01:04:38.780 --> 01:04:39.719 pretty close together. 01:04:39.739 --> 01:04:41.800 I used to have Facebook, 01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:42.960 but I don't use it anymore. 01:04:45.353 --> 01:04:46.132 You know, I don't want, 01:04:46.233 --> 01:04:47.373 I don't like to use TikTok 01:04:47.414 --> 01:04:49.253 because it's time consuming. 01:04:49.273 --> 01:04:51.034 There's like, I don't know, 01:04:51.054 --> 01:04:54.376 you get like addicted to like, yeah, 01:04:54.416 --> 01:04:55.315 you go like that. 01:04:56.036 --> 01:04:58.197 And you can pass an hour, like, or learn. 01:04:58.257 --> 01:04:59.177 Yeah. 01:04:59.717 --> 01:04:59.958 Yeah. 01:05:00.697 --> 01:05:03.239 And you're still on, it's still four. 01:05:03.259 --> 01:05:03.338 Yeah. 01:05:04.338 --> 01:05:04.599 Yeah. 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:06.860 Yeah. 01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:07.561 Maybe, 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:10.141 maybe also like try to get a YouTube 01:05:10.181 --> 01:05:13.742 channel, you know, to, uh, yeah, 01:05:13.762 --> 01:05:14.782 to showcase my art too. 01:05:15.864 --> 01:05:16.985 yeah you know everything I 01:05:17.005 --> 01:05:17.786 think everything's good to 01:05:17.826 --> 01:05:18.646 have you know it's just 01:05:19.467 --> 01:05:20.507 time you're right putting 01:05:20.527 --> 01:05:21.588 the time in and the work 01:05:21.628 --> 01:05:22.168 that's all that really 01:05:22.208 --> 01:05:25.610 matters yeah but for I want 01:05:25.630 --> 01:05:26.710 to thank you again Cesar 01:05:26.771 --> 01:05:28.132 and everybody I'll have the 01:05:28.711 --> 01:05:30.193 I'll have his Instagram in 01:05:30.213 --> 01:05:31.672 the description so that way 01:05:31.713 --> 01:05:32.293 if you guys want to 01:05:33.043 --> 01:05:35.724 be able to click on his page. 01:05:35.744 --> 01:05:36.764 You can find it that way and 01:05:36.784 --> 01:05:37.766 go right directly to him 01:05:38.365 --> 01:05:39.226 and things like that. 01:05:39.907 --> 01:05:41.927 And I want to say, you know, 01:05:41.967 --> 01:05:43.208 I think we again, 01:05:43.248 --> 01:05:45.309 I think we learned a lot from today. 01:05:45.349 --> 01:05:45.588 You know, 01:05:45.608 --> 01:05:46.668 we learned a lot about Cesar 01:05:47.148 --> 01:05:49.809 coming from Oaxaca as 22, you know, 01:05:49.869 --> 01:05:51.271 and all the colorful art. 01:05:51.331 --> 01:05:51.690 And he had to 01:05:52.150 --> 01:05:52.411 You know, 01:05:52.431 --> 01:05:53.811 he had to add some color to his 01:05:53.891 --> 01:05:56.132 artwork because he was like, you know, 01:05:56.152 --> 01:05:56.753 when you grow up in a 01:05:56.813 --> 01:05:58.693 culture with some flavor and some love, 01:05:58.713 --> 01:05:58.893 you know, 01:05:58.914 --> 01:06:00.934 you got to put that into your art. 01:06:01.094 --> 01:06:04.315 And he decided to, you know, 01:06:05.617 --> 01:06:07.577 tell stories through his art, right? 01:06:07.617 --> 01:06:07.978 Like for the... 01:06:08.597 --> 01:06:09.518 like for the house 01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:11.059 harvesting and having the 01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:12.159 snails to talk about like 01:06:12.179 --> 01:06:13.300 basically like homelessness 01:06:13.340 --> 01:06:15.782 or being without homes and super deep. 01:06:15.842 --> 01:06:17.083 And then the other artwork 01:06:17.123 --> 01:06:18.744 with the girls in the back 01:06:18.784 --> 01:06:20.244 and basically saying that, you know, 01:06:20.264 --> 01:06:21.724 these farm workers, these immigrants, 01:06:21.784 --> 01:06:23.865 these migrants that come in here, 01:06:23.905 --> 01:06:24.766 they work in the farm, 01:06:25.226 --> 01:06:26.307 but what matters is 01:06:27.068 --> 01:06:27.768 their children, 01:06:28.009 --> 01:06:29.088 the children of the future. 01:06:29.548 --> 01:06:30.110 And so, you know, 01:06:30.130 --> 01:06:31.190 we learned a lot from him. 01:06:31.590 --> 01:06:31.931 You know, 01:06:32.030 --> 01:06:33.271 his favorite tool is not the nose 01:06:33.311 --> 01:06:33.771 picking tool, 01:06:34.092 --> 01:06:34.972 but he has favorite tools 01:06:35.012 --> 01:06:36.632 that he uses to help create his art, 01:06:37.114 --> 01:06:38.273 that he also, you know, 01:06:38.653 --> 01:06:40.735 created art like anime on 01:06:40.835 --> 01:06:42.115 fabrics and things like that. 01:06:42.697 --> 01:06:44.858 We learned so much from him today. 01:06:44.898 --> 01:06:45.777 And I want to thank him. 01:06:45.797 --> 01:06:46.798 I want to thank all you guys 01:06:46.838 --> 01:06:48.420 for staying in and tuning. 01:06:49.059 --> 01:06:50.320 um if you haven't already 01:06:50.380 --> 01:06:51.442 please like the video 01:06:51.802 --> 01:06:52.682 subscribe to the channel 01:06:52.702 --> 01:06:53.403 we're trying to build this 01:06:53.483 --> 01:06:54.184 up we're trying to reach a 01:06:54.244 --> 01:06:55.985 thousand subscribers I know 01:06:56.025 --> 01:06:56.746 it sounds like a very 01:06:56.786 --> 01:06:57.967 little but hey we got to 01:06:57.987 --> 01:06:59.349 start somewhere so please 01:06:59.389 --> 01:07:00.449 help us build the channel 01:07:00.869 --> 01:07:01.871 share the video comment 01:07:01.911 --> 01:07:03.092 down below what you thought 01:07:04.112 --> 01:07:05.614 my name is antonio d miles 01:07:05.693 --> 01:07:07.335 yes I'm the host if you 01:07:07.375 --> 01:07:09.097 want to support and contribute 01:07:09.737 --> 01:07:10.836 All the contributions go 01:07:11.056 --> 01:07:12.577 back into the podcast, 01:07:12.657 --> 01:07:14.117 back into the community to 01:07:14.157 --> 01:07:14.978 make everything better, 01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:16.119 make everything smoother. 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:17.219 And you can get all those 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:18.239 links in the description. 01:07:18.739 --> 01:07:20.960 Cash App, Dollar Sign, T-H-E-E, 01:07:21.059 --> 01:07:22.001 Empire Podcast. 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:22.920 There's Venmo. 01:07:22.940 --> 01:07:23.760 There's PayPal. 01:07:24.021 --> 01:07:25.041 There's all those things. 01:07:25.601 --> 01:07:26.501 And again, 01:07:26.521 --> 01:07:28.101 I want to thank all of you guys 01:07:28.161 --> 01:07:28.902 for being a part. 01:07:29.422 --> 01:07:30.922 I want to thank Cesar Garcia 01:07:30.943 --> 01:07:32.164 for being on and sharing 01:07:32.224 --> 01:07:32.903 everything with us. 01:07:33.724 --> 01:07:35.449 And other than that, 01:07:35.929 --> 01:07:37.653 we will catch you guys all 01:07:38.215 --> 01:07:39.739 in the next episode. 01:07:40.240 --> 01:07:41.083 So we'll see you guys later. 01:07:41.784 --> 01:07:42.065 Peace.