The guys continue their pursuit in finding answers to life's most mysterious question. What happens when we die? Is there an afterlife? Does consciousness continue on long after our bodies have turned to dust? To help answer some of these questions the guys listen to Stuart Hameroff who is an American anesthesiologist and professor at the University of Arizona known for his studies of consciousness and his controversial contention that consciousness originates from quantum states in neural microtubules. And, Anil Seth who is a British neuroscientist and professor of Cognitive and Computational Neuroscience at the University of Sussex. A proponent of materialist explanations of consciousness, he is currently amongst the most cited scholars on the topics of neuroscience and cognitive science globally.
Topics: Consciousness, Reality, Perception, NDE, Near Death Experiences, The Afterlife, Stuart Hameroff, Anvil Seth
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The guys continue their pursuit in finding answers to life's most mysterious question. What happens when we die? Is there an afterlife? Does consciousness continue on long after our bodies have turned to dust? To help answer some of these questions the guys listen to Stuart Hameroff who is an American anesthesiologist and professor at the University of Arizona known for his studies of consciousness and his controversial contention that consciousness originates from quantum states in neural microtubules. And, Anil Seth who is a British neuroscientist and professor of Cognitive and Computational Neuroscience at the University of Sussex. A proponent of materialist explanations of consciousness, he is currently amongst the most cited scholars on the topics of neuroscience and cognitive science globally.
Topics: Consciousness, Reality, Perception, NDE, Near Death Experiences, The Afterlife, Stuart Hameroff, Anvil Seth
Created by Human hosted by Todd Stevens, Tim Nagle and Joshua Clodfelter.
Intro track "Rich and Strange" by The Threats.
Website: createdbyhuman.com
Instagram: @createdbyhuman
Facebook: @createdbyhuman
Tik Tok: @createdbyhuman.official
YouTube: Created by Human
Todd (00:01.622)
Hey guys.
Tim (00:03.153)
Hell
Tom Tom (00:04.834)
Good afternoon.
Todd (00:06.402)
Good afternoon, sir. How are you?
Tom Tom (00:10.914)
Good. Went and nerded out Friday night, went to y'all like Michael Keaton, Tim Burton's Batman.
Todd (00:12.074)
Yeah.
Tom Tom (00:21.734)
Well, I went to go see the showing with the symphony. So they have a live symphony that plays throughout the movie, all the soundtrack. It was packed, like the whole arena was packed. So they show the whole movie, and then they have the symphony there the whole time, and they just play the soundtrack throughout the movie. It was actually pretty cool. I was, it was a fun experience, plus the movie's amazing. I love Tim Burton.
Todd (00:31.767)
Wow.
Tim (00:35.697)
That's cool.
Tim (00:43.965)
Thanks for watching!
Tom Tom (00:51.155)
I nerd out about him. So that's my movie nerd in me.
Tim (00:56.629)
That's awesome.
Todd (00:57.77)
Was it the Atlanta Symphony?
Tom Tom (00:57.794)
Yeah, that's cool.
No, it wasn't Atlanta. It was up at Cobb Energy Center. So, but Olmsted I think was the name. The composer was a famous composer. I forgot who he was though. But, because of course it's Danny Elfman, but he wasn't there of course.
Todd (01:04.876)
Okay.
Todd (01:14.902)
Come on, why wasn't Danny there?
Tom Tom (01:16.302)
I know right? That would have been a whole other ball game right there. But I do, I like symphonies. I think, I don't know, they're cool. They're neat. I like them.
Todd (01:26.846)
Yeah, I love any live music, any music that's live. I mean, even jazz. I mean, you name it, jazz, symphonies, R&B, it doesn't matter, but most of it I can't listen to. Like I wouldn't go, let me play some jazz. If I'm out and about and it's playing, dude, love it. Love live music.
Tom Tom (01:43.956)
Yeah.
Tom Tom (01:47.69)
Yeah. Are you one of those people like I've been listening to a lot of Zach Bryan lately and he's coming into town in August. I think he's down at the all is it state farm arena. What's the arena called now? The, the, where the Hawks play. Used to be Phillips is a state farm. So he's going to be playing there and my friend was like, Oh, you want to go. And I'm like, I don't know. Like his music again, he's, he leans country. That's not like arena type music. Do you know what I mean?
Tim (01:47.91)
Hehehe
Todd (02:04.095)
I think so. Yeah, I think it is State Farm. I believe so.
Tim (02:06.13)
Mm-hmm. I think you're right.
Tom Tom (02:17.782)
Like he's more of like go to a bar and listen to, not going to a arena and listen to.
Todd (02:18.523)
Well...
Yeah, I mean I can understand that unless he's putting on like a show maybe like Garth Brooks put on his show Like that was some country you'd go see and go. Whoa, and he's running all over the stage and um I mean if it's just some dude standing up there Like it is guitar and not moving and singing in a giant arena. Eh, I don't know
Tom Tom (02:27.082)
Well... Plus, yeah.
Tom Tom (02:37.291)
Yeah.
Tom Tom (02:40.707)
Like I almost went to go see...
Tim (02:41.562)
I guarantee there's pyrotechnics though. If you're in an arena, you're like, okay, look, how are we making this awesome? Get the pyrotechnics, get the screen guys out here. We need to figure this out.
Todd (02:45.1)
Yeah.
Tom Tom (02:49.036)
Nah.
Tom Tom (02:52.446)
I don't know, he ain't Lady Gaga, that's for sure. But I mean, similar, like I was gonna go see, yeah, he's like a, he's more chill, kinda like a Bob Dylan. So I was gonna go see Bob Dylan last year, but he was at the Fox Theater, and my buddy was like, eh, like I just don't really see Bob Dylan playing at the Fox Theater. Like he's more of a, he's more of like a masquerade type, not at Fox Theater.
Tim (02:56.193)
Oh, really?
Todd (03:13.722)
I could totally see him at the Fox, yeah.
Bob Dylan? Bob Dylan's like a thousand years old. He's not playing at the masquerade. The masquerade's like dirty and punky and rockin'. Bob Dylan? No. Bob Dylan is like, he's, the fox is exactly where he would be playing. Yeah, 100%. Oh dude, yeah. All day. Yeah.
Tim (03:24.239)
Mm-hmm.
Tom Tom (03:25.106)
But that's Bob Dylan though.
Tom Tom (03:34.843)
No, really? No, he's like one of those guys you just run into like the bar and he's just like super elusive. He's like, okay, I'll play for 10 people. And then he goes away for two years.
Todd (03:44.786)
Mmm, that's Bob Dylan like 1968. I don't think that's Bob Dylan 2024.
Tom Tom (03:50.422)
Really? He's still very elusive.
Tim (03:53.061)
You know what's amazing is that Bob Dylan is still alive. Guy's old, old as dirt. Here is to Bob Dylan. Way to be Bob Dylan.
Tom Tom (03:56.466)
Yeah, love that guy. One of the greatest songwriters ever.
Todd (03:59.274)
Here's to Bob Dylan.
Todd (04:06.378)
You like you some Bob Dylan, don't you buddy?
Tom Tom (04:08.446)
do. I like him. I like good songwriting. That's my big thing.
Todd (04:12.819)
I love good song, yeah.
Well, like two of the talking about State Farm Arena, two of the bands that I saw there last were Tool, which puts on a fantastic like all this stuff's going on. At the time, they had these giant people on stilts and these twirly people. And, oh, it was crazy. And then and then I saw Radiohead and Radiohead. I mean, again, giant screens with all these just amazing visuals that kind of went along with their music and.
Tim (04:29.956)
Oh, fun.
Tom Tom (04:30.625)
Oh, wow.
Todd (04:43.134)
So that was kind of fun. Like again, they weren't running all over the stage, but there was a lot going on. Yeah, they didn't need it. And there was a lot to look at, you know? So I just couldn't see like a Bob Dylan or like a, was it Zach Bryan? Is that right? Playing like a giant, I don't know. I mean, especially if you're just kind of quiet. I don't, I don't know. It seems like there's more going on. Yeah.
Tim (04:46.373)
They didn't need it. Yeah.
Tom Tom (04:55.328)
Yeah.
Tom Tom (05:00.074)
Yeah. I mean, they're, they're chill. Yeah. They're K they're, they're more, they're more folksy. That's the word I'm looking for. Folksy. Like you just don't, you don't really get like a folksy vibe in like state farm arena.
Todd (05:09.026)
Fauxcy! Okay.
Todd (05:15.122)
No, not at all. Not at all. No. I'm sorry, Josh. You should call this management.
Tom Tom (05:20.686)
I'm in a folksy, folksy genre right now.
Tom Tom (05:25.89)
I should. I should be his manager. Now we both know you, Todd, are the better manager out of all three of us.
Todd (05:29.258)
Hey, Zach Brian, if you're listening right now.
Tim (05:29.437)
Please.
Todd (05:33.406)
Oh no, it'd be you, Josh. You'd just look at him and he would melt. He'd melt like butter in your hands, Josh. Mmm. Very nice.
Tim (05:34.993)
Hmm.
Oh.
That's wonderful.
Tom Tom (05:44.25)
Got money.
Tim (05:44.413)
I always wanted to see Radiohead live. That's what I want to say. When Todd, when you were talking about Radiohead, I've never, I've seen them obviously on like, you remember that MTV in the 90s, you know, they'd be playing some live show and MTV would be there to focus on it. And I think that's the only thing I've ever seen them play where it was live-esque, you know. But, but I would love to be there in a radio, you know.
Tom Tom (05:47.649)
Oh, yeah.
Todd (05:49.994)
That's it. Yeah.
Todd (06:00.607)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Todd (06:08.926)
Yeah.
Tim (06:12.685)
hearing Kid A, hearing all of it, hearing Radiohead in its finest form. Oh gosh, Kid A was a masterpiece. And so was the one before it. Um, okay. Computer.
Todd (06:14.698)
Oh gosh. I think that's one of my favorite albums, man, Kid A. Oh. Dude, so good. In Rainbows?
Oh, OK, Computer, that was a great one. Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say. Like early 90s Radiohead versus Radiohead nowadays. I feel like that's two different bands, too. I mean, it's.
Tim (06:31.929)
That was awesome. That's where they really blew up because
Tom Tom (06:38.784)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (06:43.545)
There really is a difference, yeah.
Todd (06:45.102)
Oh my gosh, they've gotten more mathematical. I think when they first came out, it was very fit in the scene. I would almost imagine that their management label were probably like, OK, just tone it down a little bit. Let's fit with the scene. And then once they got established, they were like, F the scene. Yeah.
Tom Tom (06:51.935)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (06:59.565)
And they did, they did, they did creep. And they blew up there, and then it was just, I mean, and, yeah.
Todd (07:03.134)
Yeah. I mean, it fit it. Yeah.
Tom Tom (07:07.716)
Mm-hmm. That's an artist. That's a true artist there. You have to evolve with the culture somewhat.
Todd (07:12.618)
You have to, you have to, yeah.
Tom Tom (07:15.278)
Because if not, you're just going to be Mariah Carey singing Christmas song the whole time.
Tim (07:19.501)
Ooh, well tell us how you really feel there, Josh. Poor Mariah Carey under that bus there.
Todd (07:20.766)
Well, yeah, I mean, she comes out every Christmas.
Tom Tom (07:23.742)
I don't know anything of hers. That's the only song I know of hers.
Todd (07:27.774)
Well, because she comes out every Christmas. Other than that, she's in her cave and she's just hiding out, you know? And then once Christmas time comes around, she emerges from her cave and everyone goes, It's Mariah Carey! Oh my gosh, there she is.
Tim (07:32.261)
Let's, you know.
Tom Tom (07:32.951)
Yeah.
Tim (07:39.805)
That's funny. The memes have been pretty much descripting that very thing.
Todd (07:45.258)
That's why I'm going that way, because that's exactly what they're saying.
Tim (07:48.989)
Poor girl.
Tom Tom (07:52.196)
I don't think she's poor.
Tim (07:52.525)
What did she sing? You know, well, right. She's, she's doing just fine. You wonder though, how many of them are happy? That's the truth of it. Did they, did they get what they want? Are they happy? I'm sure she is, I guess. Don't know. Never met her.
Todd (08:08.126)
Maybe. I don't know. Well, speaking of being happy and what happy even means, today we're going to chat about consciousness.
Tim (08:14.558)
Mmm. Mm-hmm.
Tom Tom (08:22.189)
Hmm.
Tim (08:23.33)
I like it.
Todd (08:26.459)
So let's roll that wonderful bean footage intro and get straight into it. You guys want to roll that beautiful bean footage intro? Let's go.
Tim (08:31.77)
Yes.
Tom Tom (08:34.774)
Roll it.
Tim (08:35.845)
Roll that bean footage.
Todd (09:16.447)
WHA-
Tim (09:17.625)
Man, pump me up.
Todd (09:19.83)
Dude, I'm a fire! I'm a fire right now! So, fire. Consciousness.
Tom Tom (09:21.006)
Duh duh duh.
Far, far, can I say far? Is that how they say it? Is that what they say in the Midwest too, far? It's a far. Far.
Tim (09:29.072)
Consciousness.
Todd (09:32.33)
They say, I'm on FAR. No, I don't know if that's Midwest or Southern. It's more Southern, I think, FAR.
Tim (09:34.865)
I'm on fire.
Tom Tom (09:37.443)
is southern for sure I just wonder what they say in the midwest.
Tim (09:39.399)
Man, that was far.
Todd (09:40.566)
Fire. They say fire. I'm on fire.
Tom Tom (09:44.202)
So the three of us are really from a different part of the country, right?
Tim (09:47.097)
We really are.
Todd (09:48.338)
We're actually, we almost hit every region. Tim is West Coast, we skip mountain, I'm central, and you're East Coast.
Tom Tom (09:52.146)
I'm out, yeah. I'm here in Georgia.
Tim (09:55.587)
Yeah.
I'm Northwest, Pacific Northwest. It's a difference.
Tom Tom (10:01.126)
Mm-hmm.
Todd (10:01.502)
Well, now you're just getting fancy. It is a difference, but it's still the same. You're on the West Coast.
Tom Tom (10:05.102)
Where it's like a diagonal line, you know, from here, Georgia, all the way up to Tim. And you're in the middle, Tim. I mean, Todd.
Tim (10:09.549)
It really is kitty corner. I've always said that the Pacific Northwest is like the Shire. It's like, we're a bunch of little hobbits up there. You know, so weird. You go up there. It's a bunch of hobbits. We're like seven years behind everything. Yeah. Smoking the pipe weed. Visited by wizards and druids.
Todd (10:11.723)
Mm-hmm.
Tom Tom (10:19.766)
My dream, my dream place.
Sounds great to me. Smoking pipeweed. That's what the Shire was.
Todd (10:36.49)
Yeah. Josh, what does that have to do with consciousness?
Tim (10:41.275)
Hehehe
Tom Tom (10:41.898)
Well, Druids were the holders of the Conscious Coalition. It was a contract that they signed with the Druid nation of Belgium. And they were in charge of all the consciousness that happened in the region, and therefore it became like a whole thing. And now we're gonna talk about it.
Todd (10:48.336)
Oh, do tell, do tell.
Todd (10:56.005)
Oh, Belgium.
Todd (11:07.162)
Okay, okay, so just that region, just in the Belgian region.
Tom Tom (11:10.186)
at the time, yeah, and then of course it split off into other coalitions and other languages. Kind of like denominations, you know?
Todd (11:14.458)
Okay. Got you. Okay. So how... oh yeah, yeah. So what kind of period of time are we talking about here? How long did this take from the beginning of consciousness until today?
Tim (11:16.741)
Hmm. Mm-hmm.
Tom Tom (11:26.682)
Yeah, I think the coalition started in 1651.
Todd (11:31.682)
Oh shit, so we haven't been conscious very long. Oh.
Tom Tom (11:35.511)
No, no, they weren't recording the consciousness before that. So technically, consciousness really only started at night in 1651. Yeah.
Todd (11:43.574)
Hmm, that makes sense. That makes perfect sense, Josh. I don't know if that's true.
Tom Tom (11:49.29)
We should really, we should seriously do a episode on druids because druids are fascinating.
Tim (11:49.466)
Hold on.
Todd (11:57.458)
Oh, I love druids. I mean, that's all three of us sitting here probably come from a druid type culture. You know? Yeah, yeah!
Tom Tom (11:58.752)
Right?
Tom Tom (12:05.426)
Yeah, druids are definitely fascinating.
Todd (12:11.382)
there are what fascinates you about druids.
Tom Tom (12:14.93)
I mean, I guess it's kind of their, I think it's the kind of mystic, mystic side of them, which I'm not very familiar with. Druid lore and religion. But are they religious? Do they have to be religious?
Todd (12:21.637)
Smithstick.
Todd (12:36.938)
Um, I think there was a level of spirituality that was along with them. There was a level of, um, I think multiple gods in worship. Um, they were very, um, what do you call it? Uh, um, when every season comes, they were very, you know, when the harvest and, um, you know, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I think there was a lot going on with those guys. I believe they. It was, uh, yeah, I mean, but I think they, they really thought like.
Tom Tom (13:00.522)
Maybe mythological.
Okay.
Todd (13:06.506)
They were very much like Egyptian culture back in the day where it was, there were multiple gods for things. Like if you wanted a good harvest, then you had to pray towards this God. If you wanted to, I mean, if you really think about the Vikings and stuff like that and their culture, I mean, that was kind of Druid-esque where they had all these different gods and everything like that. I mean, you had kind of one main, but that's kind of what the Druids were. And I think they were very
Tom Tom (13:31.202)
Mm-hmm.
Todd (13:36.266)
From my understanding, they were travelers. And I think they were cool people. Because even if you look at the Stonehenge, Stonehenge is thought to be created by the druids. There's possible, they say, well, maybe it was a time. The sun, it was some type of clock. Or maybe it kind of lets you know when the seasons were going to change. Is it winter, the solstices, and all that kind of stuff?
but it was also believed that it was very Druid in origin. So we don't know enough about Druids because there's no real written history about them other than what we've kind of picked up and in archeology or what we found just written in other cultures, but I think they exist like thousands and thousands of years that that's just kind of who they were. They were just, they were these nomadic
Tom Tom (14:12.479)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Todd (14:35.022)
spiritual, earthy type hippies that every once in a while might have sacrificed a virgin.
Tom Tom (14:43.052)
I mean, you gotta enjoy an earthy kind of hippie sometime.
Todd (14:46.49)
I do. Except I don't really care for patchouli. It's like when you go to the bathroom and then you have a number two and it stinks really bad but then you spray like lemon spray but it just smells like shit and lemon spray. That's kind of like what patchouli smells like. It smells like eww and flowers. Anybody else feel that way or is it just me? Well, you know. Yeah, you know.
Tom Tom (15:07.554)
I will believe you on that Todd. Actually I do agree, I do agree with you there when you spray like Lysol or whatever and it just mixes with the previous smell and it's just like, well now it's just weird.
Tim (15:15.635)
Oh yeah.
Tim (15:21.377)
I have been fond of the Poo-Pourri. If you do that right and you get that liquid in there before you go, it's actually pretty helpful.
Todd (15:30.506)
Wait, so how does that work? What's Poo-Pourri?
Tim (15:32.465)
Poo-poo-ree is a oil or something that you pour in first, and then when you go poo, it drops in, right? And it goes past the barrier of this oil, and the oil's nice and smelly, and it just, nothing leaves. So not even the little molecules are leaving. Yeah, yeah. It is, it's like a spray. But, well.
Todd (15:49.936)
Ah.
Tom Tom (15:51.51)
I didn't know that. I thought it was just a spray. Wow, that's very high maintenance. You must take a very high maintenance shit.
Tim (15:59.505)
Do you want to smell and have a thing about it? You got these little poop particles that are going up in your nose. So do you want that? Or do you want just Poo-Pourri? The poop, the stuff that you sprayed? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Dude, that stuff floats up and gets in our toothbrush. And I mean, not for graphic, but that's what goes.
Tom Tom (16:08.319)
Is it particles?
Todd (16:11.486)
Yeah, that's what causes pink eye by the way.
Todd (16:18.79)
Oh yeah, I'm definitely gonna close the lid before you flush. I mean, you gotta close the lid before you flush, 100%. Yeah.
Tim (16:21.881)
Yeah. And that helps a lot. But if you like, just like, let it sit and all that's that funk is leaving that smell. That's all the little tiny particles making its way out into the air.
Todd (16:34.558)
Well, I'll tell you what, I've really enjoyed this talk about shit. Um, this has been great. Let's go ahead and wrap up the episode here. Oh, oh yeah. We were going to talk about consciousness. That's right. Dang it. Um, yeah, today we're going to talk about consciousness. So our previous episode, we discussed, um, some near death and it's going to kind of be the theme of this season. So in tying in with some near death consciousness. Yeah. Yeah, you're welcome.
Tim (16:36.857)
This has been great. And that's consciousness. We're done. All right.
Tom Tom (16:39.938)
consciousness.
Tim (17:00.954)
You're welcome.
Todd (17:04.478)
Consciousness comes into play because that's kind of part of it. You know what happens when we die What is consciousness even really and does it exist in the brain? Is it outside in the ether? These are things that we've talked about in the past But we want I wanted to play some videos of a couple people who dive into that One of the videos is from a gentleman named Stuart hammer-off now Stuart hammer-off is an American
anesthesiologist and a professor at the University of Arizona. And he is fascinating. I've seen multiple videos from him in the past, and he talks about anesthesiology and the way that it works, um, with consciousness. So I love his take on it. So we're going to play a video from him here in a minute. Um, the other person that we're going to talk about or hear a message from is, uh, um, and Neil Seth.
And Anil is a, um, he's a British neuroscientist and a professor of cognitive and, um, computational neuroscience at the university of success. Uh, yeah, success. And so Sussex, yeah, at the university of Sussex and, um, this dude, I love the way he talks and this Ted talk, man, he kind of lays it out there, but he talks again about the reality.
Tim (18:18.445)
Sussex?
Todd (18:32.418)
And and where is consciousness and what does that mean in the world that we see around us? So these are some great videos. We're going to play these two and again I'll stop it have some commentary the guys will ask me to stop. We'll have some commentary and we're going to talk about these two videos Um, you guys pumped
Tim (18:51.126)
I am pumped. Let's do it.
Tom Tom (18:51.864)
Do it.
Todd (18:57.158)
Let me get to our first video. Uno momento por favor. So this I'm going to cut in. So I'm going to say where I just stopped you guys pumped and then where it was good to our first video and then I'll just cut in this. But for now I'm going to screen share. Where's my screen share? Screen share.
Tim (19:01.089)
Yes. Can't wait.
Todd (19:22.402)
Does anybody care when I screen share?
Todd (19:30.262)
You guys laughing at?
Tim (19:31.908)
you.
Todd (19:40.214)
System settings. Where is it? I wanna see it. Where is it? Not Chrome tabs.
Sorry. Oh, it's looking at Chrome. So let me find it in Chrome. Hold on one second. You guys talk amongst yourselves. Josh, don't you even start, girlfriend. I will come over the boot in your ass.
Tom Tom (19:56.437)
Any day now.
Todd (20:09.382)
Hold on, I gotta sign out of this one. I gotta sign into something else.
Tim (20:15.741)
consciousness.
Tom Tom (20:17.41)
What have you been working on this week, Tim?
Tim (20:20.433)
But of what? What did you say? Oh, I have worked on.
Tom Tom (20:21.506)
What have you been working on? What kind of editing?
Tim (20:32.516)
Uh...mostly receipts.
Tom Tom (20:35.351)
Oh, eww.
Tim (20:36.453)
No, um, let's see. I worked on a hype video for the world of concrete 2024. Yeah.
Tom Tom (20:45.79)
Oh, World of Concrete? This is a conference for concrete.
Tim (20:50.661)
50 years, 50 years of world of concrete. Yeah. Back in the day, world of concrete was probably held in a little field with a picnic table and some, some men out there just showing off their wares. Here's my shovel. Here's my wheelbarrow. This here is called a drill, you know, and now here we are 2024.
world of concrete, bigger than ever at the Las Vegas Convention Center. Every bay filled with trucks and rebar and cement and bags of
Todd (21:21.442)
Hell yeah.
Tom Tom (21:26.318)
That's awesome. That's fascinating.
Tom Tom (21:32.663)
Do you like working on different projects like that? That's something I really enjoy as a graphic designer is I get to work with all different genres, you know, of people and clients and companies.
Tim (21:43.382)
Yeah.
I don't mind doing a few tool videos and stuff and throwing it to some rock music with a VO and doing some glitches and some static and all that. But yeah, it's cool. After a while I'm like, yeah.
Tom Tom (22:04.998)
Do you do after effects? Oh, oh. I used to do that. I used to do editing and after effects and stuff. Probably when I worked with.
Tim (22:06.747)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (22:10.681)
Yeah, I like the After Effects.
Mm-hmm.
Tom Tom (22:15.478)
the why and before that with the church and I would do all their videos and everything like that. It was a thing. I mean, I learned after I taught myself everything and I would do the intros and the outros and I would, I would get really creative with all the. With all that it was, it was, it was really cool. It was fun. It just, it's very convoluted and it takes a lot of time. It's a lot. It's a lot of work.
Tim (22:18.478)
Yeah.
Tim (22:34.541)
Yeah, you get faster at it as you get more, but yeah, I enjoy that tool. It's a fun tool to have. Um, premiere and all that, you know, I just, there's all sorts of tools now. And Vaato's got templates.
Tom Tom (22:37.791)
Yeah.
Tom Tom (22:50.087)
And use DaVinci. Resolve.
Tim (22:51.749)
Da Vinci, yes. Mm-hmm, yep, very familiar with that.
Todd (22:56.546)
Are you gentlemen ready? Yep, I'm ready. All right, here we go. So again, this one's only five minutes long. So, you know, feel free to stop or whatever, but we can let us play through. It's just what he says is super interesting. Um, uh, I love this guy and he's got, there's more videos for this guy. Maybe we'll play some more later on at some other point, but do some research on him again, his name is Stuart Hammeroff. Here we go.
Tom Tom (22:56.629)
Okay, here we go.
Tim (22:58.125)
Uh huh. Let's do it. I want to watch this.
Tom Tom (22:59.924)
to work.
Tom Tom (23:03.41)
Stewart Hammerhoff
Tim (23:12.398)
I can't wait.
Tim (23:35.097)
Wow, he really plays the violin well.
Todd (23:37.565)
He's very talented, yes.
Tim (23:40.598)
Is there awareness under anesthesia?
Todd (23:48.482)
what's happening.
Todd (23:54.23)
Did you guys hear any of that?
Todd (24:36.114)
Okay, it's suspended. That's what he's saying. So this is from a guy who puts people under anesthesia, um, often, right? All the time. So he's saying it just puts a pause on consciousness. Like that, that alone, like we can't skip over that. How do you put a pause on consciousness?
Tom Tom (25:01.698)
God, I wish I could do that. Right? That's like a superpower. I wish I could do like, you know, when you get like, you need to go to bed or whatever. Shut it off.
Tim (25:03.569)
Hehehe
Todd (25:04.374)
Pfft.
Todd (25:12.362)
Just put a pause on it. Well, you... You need some anesthesia. Know what I'm saying? Well, you might not wake up, Josh. Well, that's the trick of the game.
Tim (25:13.765)
get yourself some of that anesthesia.
Tom Tom (25:17.806)
I won't wake up.
Tom Tom (25:23.422)
be like that room in Inception where they all are dreaming, like long term.
Todd (25:28.876)
Oh gosh, like in a dream within a dream, they keep going under.
Tom Tom (25:31.79)
Yeah and they're all down in the basement and they're all dreaming like forever. Like they just stay down there and they dream. They're under that anesthesia that they have.
Todd (25:43.306)
Well, and that's a great point, because when you talk about dreams and being, you know, your consciousness, we do have that. We have where a dream seems like it is hours, if not days, but it's only been minutes. We dream so many dreams throughout a night, but they're only minutes long, even though they feel like forever.
Tim (25:58.917)
seconds.
Tim (26:05.257)
I have one, so I don't know if this is true, but dreams are actually milliseconds. And that's like the last thing your brain does. It gives you this story that feels like days, but it's like the last thing that you do when you wake up. Your dreams are actually like somewhere right in between you being asleep and awake. And they only happen in milliseconds. That's what I... I don't know if that's true, but...
Todd (26:28.862)
Well, yeah, I mean, I've heard that as well. But I also heard that we have multiple dreams throughout the night, tons of dreams. The only ones that we sometimes recall are those very last ones, you know. But I think you're right, too, about the milliseconds. I think it's only it's only moments, but they feel like these long periods of time.
Tim (26:36.89)
Yeah.
Tim (26:41.177)
Yeah. There's like this weird time thing.
Tim (26:48.281)
Yeah. I can revisit old houses and places I've been in dreams too. I have this weird ability to go back to places and have like a similar story happen, except maybe, you know, I'll have a dreams where I'll go back to a place and let's say I yelled at somebody or something. They'll remember that in my dream and kind of be like, you know, they don't want to talk. Like I've had weird things like that happen, you know.
So I have these strange, vivid dreams. Places that I revisit all the time. It's crazy.
Todd (27:21.822)
No, that's super cool. I mean, I've heard dreams. But I have heard that people can control their dreams a little bit like that. I've never been able to mine are just so random. And sometimes I can't recall them at all.
Tom Tom (27:23.33)
So next week's podcast is Tim's Dreams.
Tim (27:26.782)
Yeah, we should. I got a bunch of good ones.
Tim (27:34.801)
Yeah.
Tom Tom (27:38.478)
Same.
Tim (27:40.773)
Yeah, that's interesting. I, you know what I thought was amazing? That the, when I have been, recently I had a like a fever for like a month. And I mean, for me, a fever is terrible because I dream really well. I get what's called fever dreams when I have a fever. And I've asked a lot of people, have you ever had a fever dream? And they're like, no, what's that? I'm like, really? You've never had one? Nope. Go to the next person. Hey, how about those fever dreams? What are you talking about?
Tom Tom (27:42.18)
My... my... was chaotic.
Todd (27:57.251)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (28:09.957)
You know, fever dreams? You ever had one? No, what's that? And like, what? Am I the only one that knows what this is? So then finally, you know, if you find another person that's relatively a, a vivid dreamer can control their dreams and stuff, they'll go, Oh, I know those. Yeah, I've had that. And, and the only way to describe a fever dream is like, imagine trying to play Tetris, but it's all scrambled.
And you can only see one piece and you're just fixated on that one piece and it's just all night long. It's just this scrambled and you're fixated and it's horrible. But man, when you have them for night, like night after night, it does something to you. I was just like, oh God, I gotta get rid of these.
Todd (28:44.938)
Ugh.
Todd (28:54.646)
That's freaky. So you just you're kind of trapped in a dream, but almost in a in a cycle, like just repeating the same thing, Groundhog's Day kind of.
Tim (29:01.866)
Yes, just not even that. It's worse than that. It's like you're, you're dreaming about how you should be breathing because you're sick. But there's like, as if there's multiple ways to be doing that. But like when you wake up, you're like, Tim, just breathe. Like it's that. And you dream about the one thing all night. It's so weird. I don't recommend them. I hate them. They are the worst things you can't.
Todd (29:26.512)
I'm out.
Tim (29:28.689)
figure out anything, nothing makes sense. It's just like scrambled white noise, but you do see things from time to time and you fixate on them. That's terrible.
Todd (29:37.406)
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that. That sounds very interesting. I will say this though. Yeah.
Tim (29:40.481)
Yeah, it's weird that a lot of people don't know about it and I'm like man. Well good thing you don't because it sucks really does
Todd (29:47.354)
It sounds like it sucks. I will say this though I Historically cannot recall my dreams ever most nights in the morning or whatever I'll wake up with the assumption that I haven't dreamed at all now clearly I probably have but I'm just I cannot recall anything I don't even remember dreaming
until recently over the last month or so I've been taking a multi cannabinoid which is it's like a combination of CBD, CBM, CBG, NCB something else. So it's four cannabinoids there's no THC in it I mean there might be a little bit but I don't know but anyways when I take this thing that night I can recall the next morning I can recall a dream.
Tim (30:07.876)
Mmm.
Todd (30:34.522)
and they've been very, very vivid, realistic, you know, where you wake up and you're like, oh my gosh, was that real? And it takes you a second from those types of dreams, it takes you a second to go, okay, no, that wasn't real, that did not happen. But it felt like it did. But I don't know why. Yeah, here's the real world, but I don't know why. So for some reason, this multicannabinoid has totally
Tim (30:42.397)
Whoa. Yeah. Oh yeah.
Tim (30:52.737)
Right. Oh, here's the real world. Here's the real world. This is it.
Todd (31:02.046)
Been allowing me to recall dreams and that's fascinating. So again, you know, is, is there, is there a blocker sometimes that, that maybe some, um, uh, and I won't even say medications, just some type of, uh, chemical compound that can open up.
Tim (31:06.558)
That is a fascination.
Tim (31:10.881)
Yeah.
Todd (31:19.934)
those blocks in our mind. And again, this is kind of where we go back to consciousness. So let's dive back into what Stuart is saying here and see where he goes with this. Again, he's an anesthesiologist that is familiar with kind of the pull on real world and consciousness. We'll see what he has to say.
Todd (34:06.226)
Right? Do you understand what he just said?
Tim (34:11.149)
Yeah, I mean, you're dead and then all of a sudden you spike again.
Todd (34:15.006)
Yeah, all of a sudden you spike again. So brain activity, they're monitoring these people that are terminal. They have been taken off of life support and, um, all of a sudden they're dying. So the body physically dies. The brain activity goes down to 20 or zero. They're gone. Right. And then all of a sudden there's this giant spike in brain activity, back up to 80, back up to conscious awareness.
That's insane.
Tom Tom (34:47.174)
Is that because, I mean, the brain is still living, right? I mean, you still get blood moving.
Todd (34:51.698)
No, so, no. So let me give you an example. So when first responders arrived to try and resuscitate my mom at her home, she had fallen, she was leaned up against the couch, and she was dead. She was basically blue, she was dead there. Well, they were able to get a pulse again and get her to the hospital. And then finally, when we got to the hospital and we were talking to the doctors, the doctor says,
We are making the heart pump. We are putting oxygen in our lungs, but there is zero brain activity at this point, right? So, basically once the brain dies and there's no brain activity, you're just keeping a body alive. And then the question is posed, like is there any consciousness left at that point? And the question would be, I mean, the answer I think would be no, no. So,
At that point when my mom's laying in that hospital bed and it looks like she's breathing and you know her heart's pumping, she's not there. Consciousness is gone at that point. But what he's saying is, you know, at some point between death, almost immediately after death where the body has ceased and the brain has ceased, because what sometimes happens is the body will die and then the brain function will kind of dwindle down.
So like the heart will stop pumping, but the brain function will start to dwindle down last. And then all of a sudden they're seeing these spikes. So it's just, dude, it's incredible. So let's see what Stuart has to say about like what do they think this is when this spikes back up.
Tim (36:29.165)
That's fascinating.
Todd (37:16.034)
the brain activity, they're thinking there with that when it spikes like that, that it might be the near death experience. So again, we just did an episode on near death and what happens? There's this whole journey on near death, right? So again, what usually happens, they say, the doctors say, man, you were gone for 10 minutes, five minutes, 20 minutes, right? So is that what that is?
Is that all that is? I don't personally believe so, but it's very fascinating to think that we can monitor it here on earth, we can monitor something and like Stuart saying here is are we monitoring the, the thing that happens at near death that we really don't die or go anywhere or spirit doesn't go anywhere or consciousness doesn't go anywhere. This is just what happens when you die for three to
30 seconds to 20 minutes or is this the transition? Are we able here on earth to monitor the transition of somebody, right? Of the soul being removed from the body? I don't know, but it's just, I love it. It's so incredible.
Tim (38:33.921)
Yeah, I want to real quick, you know, just like thumbing along and Reddit or whatever. I came across a video that I thought was really interesting and it's actually right around when we're born, right before. So I didn't know if you knew this, but this was news to me. I was 46 years old when I learned this. That scientists have found out when sperm.
enter an egg, it gives off a spark. Yeah. And I thought, well, now come on, that is pretty telling. A soul has maybe just been infused into the very creation of this little thing that's going to, you know, and who knows, right?
Todd (39:08.678)
Oh, an electrical charge. Yeah.
Tim (39:31.429)
I mean, and they had a little clip and it almost looked like, you know, just from the, I mean, obviously we're talking about something very small, but it did. It looked phosphorescent, right? It just kind of, and there it was. I had zero clue. Well, I think we all have, right? How would we know? But that there was an actual spark that happens between the two finding each other. And you know, maybe that's what we're seeing at the end of life here too, this little.
Todd (39:47.617)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (40:00.973)
spark the I mean isn't it true too that um our weight is infinitesimally smaller after it you know so like if you were to describe the brain to go off and then all of a sudden you weigh weight you weigh me and I'm like ever so slightly like a little bit less than I was you know that's kind of interesting too
Todd (40:02.102)
this little spark, yeah.
Todd (40:09.687)
Yeah.
Todd (40:21.538)
Yeah, well the only thing I would say to that and just to play Devil's Arbi- Arbi-nge Kevin, Devil's Advocate, is that I have heard that, I think it's possibly true, but I've also heard that was only one study that was done. So it hasn't been duplicated from my understanding that I think once we can duplicate things
Tim (40:26.057)
Ard-ardvarket? Devil's artvarket?
Tim (40:43.378)
Mm.
Tim (40:47.577)
Are you talking about the egg and sperm?
Todd (40:49.29)
No, no, I'm talking about the you being weighing less, like once the soul leaves the body that you weigh less. I heard that was one study and it hasn't been duplicated. Again, I could be wrong. That's just what I recall. But I do. I mean, we talked about this last week is that all these things, these things that have been suggested and possibilities and, you know, we'll know that the spirit is this and this was written in text.
Tim (40:52.058)
Oh, the weighing less. Yeah, sure. Okay.
Todd (41:18.058)
you know, thousands and thousands of years ago. Science now, I mean, dude, we are in a in a huge momentum of scientific discovery and the more technology we have, the more we can look deeper and deeper into things. And I think that again, it's all pointing to the same stuff, you know, scientists have a hard time saying that anything is spiritual, that anything has to do with a God or a heaven and that's fair.
Tim (41:28.826)
Yeah.
Todd (41:48.19)
Um, but they, they are indicating the same things, right? When you start talking about multiverses, um, that, that our spirits can go or that, that are, you know, consciousness, they don't use the word spirit. It's always consciousness that consciousness goes to, um, another dimension. Okay. Well that I'm not saying it is heaven, but that's basically what they were saying to dumb things down thousands of years ago, you know, so
Tim (41:55.555)
sure.
Tim (42:15.385)
Yeah.
Todd (42:17.478)
Again, it's getting weird guys.
All right, let's see what old Stuart has to say.
Tim (42:26.993)
Bring it home Stuart.
Todd (43:39.69)
Dude, that's pretty wild, right?
Tom Tom (43:42.507)
noise.
Tim (43:46.265)
Makes makes me think of this show. I think what's there's just like a you know how they have pilot season in Hollywood there's some show that came out that was like The narrative gets out that you can die and go to heaven and it's like this whole Society is just like having a paradigm shift people are killing themselves If I can go there, I'm gonna go now You know
Todd (44:09.768)
Oh, I did see that. Yeah.
Tim (44:12.585)
You know that I wonder if we would get that crazy if we found out that oh wait, there's another life. Let's do it You know Sure
Todd (44:19.89)
For sure you'd have a mass exodus. Oh gosh yeah absolutely. I don't I think if that were the case I don't know about you guys maybe that's a question we can each answer ourselves. I think for me if that were the case if they're like dude we've monitored it is actually true you do go somewhere else and it's way better than here. I think I would I think I would worry less about here meaning I would live a more joyful life
Tim (44:45.861)
Yeah.
Todd (44:47.83)
worrying less about the things like, oh what's going to happen in the future? And you know, I know, I know you can. I know you can. Well that's where it's different, man, and that's where faith versus knowing comes into play. And there are a lot of people out there, and I am definitely not one of them, but there are a lot of people out there that their faith is knowing. Tim, you might be one of those.
Tim (44:53.349)
Well Todd, you can do that now. Just believe it.
Tim (45:05.85)
Right.
Tim (45:16.031)
I might be crazy enough, I don't know.
Todd (45:17.438)
No, I don't think it's crazy. I mean, I think it's beautiful. I think my wife is one of those.
Tim (45:21.805)
I think that, yeah, I mean, I always say to people like, my faith has done me no wrong. I mean, I think it's taught me some great stuff. It's just the cherry on the top. At the end of the day, do I know exactly? No. But, you know, I keep hearing these wonderful stories and people who come back and they're like, you know, it was a lot more, I was weightless. I was joyful. I was peaceful. It was wonderful.
You know, I was home, those kind of descriptive things. They all said, welcome home, Joe, or whatever the guy's name was from last week, you know? That's beautiful to me. And if that's really truly what it is, then great. And I mean, again, I think when you hear people come back from the dead and they're like, you know, I don't need to really go into it, but they just seem more at peace. They're not freaking out anymore. They are usually pretty just chill.
Todd (45:58.868)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (46:19.337)
Yeah, just glad to be back. It's, and they're not even glad to be back. They're just like, I know where I'm going.
Todd (46:24.542)
Right, yeah, most of them aren't glad to be back. They didn't want to come back, but they do have a calm and a peace now that they're comfortable with what happens next. So they live a more kind of just chilled life, existence.
Tim (46:27.462)
Yeah, I know.
Tim (46:32.63)
Yeah.
Yeah, they don't even really talk about it. They're just like, yeah, I know. I'm just going to live life, love people like I should.
Todd (46:41.574)
But you made a great point talking about shared experiences, right? So Stuart even said that, you know, these people who die and they're gone for 30 seconds to 20 minutes of not gone, they're having this experience, this burst of energy within the brain again for 30 seconds to 20 minutes. And then, you know, the argument is, well, that's just the brain dying.
Tim (47:02.969)
Yeah, yeah.
Todd (47:11.018)
Um, neurons, um, firing that's, uh, that's those types of things. But what doesn't hold weight with that is when we look at a lot of near death experiences, right? Again, we talked about this last week that the experiences vary, but yet there are tremendous amounts of similarities, right? Like why, okay. Why then do you leave your body? Why then are you being projected towards the light?
Why then are you met by father, relatives, Jesus? Again, we said it plays into who you are, but you're always met by somebody. You're always met by somebody to welcome you and guide you. Why is there a life review?
Tim (47:44.281)
your father or your mother.
Tim (47:51.897)
Life review. I mean, life review is fascinating. If you think about your brain, maybe that's what all the life review is, filing through it all. You know.
Todd (48:01.05)
Maybe. But there's a story. That's the thing, though, if that were the case, if the life review were just this all of a sudden there's all these visions of what has happened in your life, okay, I can understand that. Maybe that's the brain dying and everything is rushing at you at once. However, it's not. You're in a room or a bubble. You're being, you can look like it's an experience.
Tim (48:14.589)
Hmm.
Tim (48:20.361)
Yeah, it's an experience and a very well designed one at that. I think too, there are, I feel like with near death experiences, this is what's truly fascinating. I think about it is that there's always this, let's just call it a membrane, a safety area that's kind of like, Hey, welcome to the afterlife. If you go beyond this door, you won't come back. Right. If you go into that room.
You'll get to see the other. Sometimes people get an option. Do you want to go in that room or do you want to go back? And they might go, they think of like their grandma who's still alive and they go, I want to go back. I better go back. They give the option, you know? But there is this weird membrane that kind of exists in the afterlife apparently that like you cross over and you do say goodbye to everything you knew and it is something beyond that door. You know what I'm saying?
Todd (49:14.858)
Yeah.
Tim (49:16.093)
Uh, that I've heard that a few times and I thought that was fascinating. So we're actually just hearing the stories coming back where there's. It's almost like a purgatory waiting room of, Hey, welcome. This is the, this is a little bit of the afterlife, but it's not quite the full on experience. The full on experience is just beyond this door or horizon, you know, right here, we're going to talk about your life and then go back and we want you to, you know, maybe try to love a little better, you know, don't worry about it so much.
Todd (49:36.051)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (49:46.745)
But I don't know, I feel like there's a clear, obviously there is, because when a person dies, they're gone, right? We don't see them again. They have crossed that threshold. But in a lot of the ones where they come back, they basically describe it as like, I could have just stepped over that line and gone right in and I wouldn't be here, you know? Which is fascinating. So yeah, anyway, I just think it's interesting.
Todd (50:05.599)
Oh yeah.
Todd (50:09.446)
No, I'm with you. No, it's very interesting. I'm with you because all the people that have had a near death. So they died technically here on Earth and they had this out-of-body experience, but they came back to their body. So that's near death. They were told you're going back, right? So all of them that have had it never crossed into the light. So exactly what you're saying.
Tim (50:27.237)
They were told, you're going back.
Tim (50:34.821)
They went into, right.
Todd (50:36.342)
They never crossed into the light. Into the light is you're not coming back. You cannot come back. So, because remember, a lot of them would say, I wanna go there. Yeah, yeah, I wanna go into the light. And their guide or whatnot says, no, that's not for you yet. That's not your time yet. So it's very...
Tim (50:53.965)
Not quite. And some have described hearing a party going on in there. Like there's like a lot going on. They can hear like laughter and fun. And like, it's like interesting.
Todd (50:59.457)
Sure.
Todd (51:03.998)
Yeah. Yeah, and that's the thing, though. Again, like, if this is just things firing in the brain as you die, then why not go through the light? Right? Like, there's no buddy who went through the light and came back. The light is the final boss. It's the... Once you go through, there's no coming back. So, again, like, why would that be? Why is there that similarity?
Tim (51:18.414)
Yeah.
Tim (51:26.051)
Right.
Todd (51:33.662)
Right? Again, like Stuart had said, why is there shared similarities worldwide? Well, there shouldn't be, if this is a personal experience as you die. It just shouldn't be. So our next video that I wanna share with you guys is again from Anil Seth. Now Anil Seth, just to reiterate, is this British neuroscientist, and he is...
Tim (51:40.184)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (51:45.283)
Right.
Todd (52:02.742)
For one, got a really cool voice. For two, he's doing this TED Talk, and it's very cool the way that he talks about consciousness and reality and how we perceive reality and what that means with consciousness. So I wanna play this video for you guys. And you let me know, Tim, Josh, let me know when you wanna stop. Now this video is about 21 minutes long, so we can burn through some of it.
Tim (52:26.411)
I can't wait.
Todd (52:31.29)
I'm probably going to stop it because...
Tim (52:32.029)
Put it at 1.5 times the speed.
Todd (52:36.352)
Go real fast.
Tim (52:38.227)
I mean, you know, you could for the podcast and then play it normal on the back end, but whatever you want
Todd (52:41.494)
Hehehe
Now I want you guys to see this. You guys gotta see it, you gotta listen to it. This is a this is super awesome. So let me pull this up here. Let me back her on.
Tim (52:50.47)
Can't wait.
Tim (52:55.737)
Josh, are you hanging in there? You look like you're about to fall asleep, man. You getting tired? Are you still thinking about the druids?
Tom Tom (52:57.242)
Yep. No, I'm not. No, I'm just-
Todd (52:58.762)
Josh don't fall asleep.
Todd (53:05.925)
Josh, you are.
Tim (53:05.957)
Were you serious about that whole Belgium thing and the Druids and the Belgium and the or were you just blowing smoke? Yeah, he's like, I don't smoke. Okay, that's a that's some pretty good improv smoke there. I was you almost had me. I was like, Wow, Josh, you know a lot about are you a dru? I was like, Are you a druid?
Tom Tom (53:12.174)
smoke.
Todd (53:13.814)
Josh.
That was great improv, I was really impressed.
Todd (53:23.106)
Do you like how Tim called you out? He didn't yes and you. He didn't yes and you at all.
Tim (53:26.058)
I mean, no, I didn't. Well, no, I didn't. Yes, I did. I didn't do anything. I just was really cool about it. Now I'm kind of calling you out. Yeah.
Todd (53:31.67)
But now you're calling him out, you're saying no, no. All right, let's check out this video from an old Seth and his TED Talk.
Todd (53:47.35)
But first we're going to watch this legal zoom commercial.
Tim (53:54.545)
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Todd (54:07.162)
Oh, sorry, this is the wrong one.
Tim (54:10.833)
Aw man, darn it.
Tom Tom (54:12.895)
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Todd (54:14.474)
Hold on bros, I pressed the wrong one. Nope, that's not what I want. Did you check out our cool channel? Look at that, doesn't that look dope?
Tom Tom (54:16.107)
Real people.
Tom Tom (54:19.778)
Feeling me, feels pretty strange right now. Can we, can we, can we?
Tim (54:20.046)
that not it either.
Todd (54:24.118)
You guys see our cool channel you guys chill out. Oh Here it is Look at what I Didn't do that dude, I tried putting our pictures in and they just it wouldn't make us all look cool. I don't know why
Tim (54:24.785)
Come on, Todd. I do see it. I like how ugly I am on the far left. I look like a total weirdo. I'm like a super ugly dude on the far left. Thanks a lot. I look like, I look like Admiral Akbar over there.
Tom Tom (54:27.086)
Man, someone is killing it on the imagery here.
Tim (54:44.321)
I'm like, stay on target.
Todd (54:46.458)
I'm gonna phase you out into this. Alright, here we go. This is the right video.
Tom Tom (54:48.975)
Huh? What image?
Tim (54:52.654)
It's a trap!
Tim (54:57.464)
Oh cool.
Todd (56:25.858)
son of a bitch
Tim (56:28.081)
but there is Dell Technologies.
Todd (56:30.573)
Hehehehehe
Tim (56:34.513)
Todd, you gotta get YouTube Plus or whatever. Make it a business expense.
Todd (56:37.706)
I'm not spending any more money on any.
Todd (59:28.49)
Now this is something that I constantly think about when I think about consciousness, right? And I think about this world and how sometimes, you know, they say that this world is sort of a matrix, right? Is it real? Are we constructing the world? You know, I know it goes into this and starts kind of talking about that, but I love this idea of there is consciousness world and there is consciousness self, right?
And how do you take each one of these? Because self, right, it's an awareness. You are self, right? You're looking out into the world, but what is this world that we look out to?
So let's see what Anil has to say about this.
Todd (01:01:04.586)
Now this perception thing that he's talking about too is I saw something a while back that said that we are constantly predicting the future, that our brain is constantly predicting the future, meaning that by the time everything is, has gone through our eyes, our brain has processed it, our brain has created what he's about to go into and talk about this, this creating of the world around you.
that this takes something like 1.5 milliseconds to happen. So in that delay, that delay could be catastrophic for us in the real world. So our mind predicts the next outcome, right? So we know that when a car stops in front of us, our mind predicts that we need to stop too, right? Even though it hasn't really gathered all the information yet visually or audibly.
That's mind blowing.
Tim (01:02:05.701)
Yeah. It's so weird.
Tim (01:03:20.645)
Ha ha
Todd (01:03:35.074)
So did you guys get any of that? Do you know what that audio was saying?
Todd (01:03:41.911)
Josh.
Tom Tom (01:03:42.294)
I want a hamburger with fries.
Todd (01:03:45.218)
dude dead on the money dude for real you nailed it I'm just kidding you didn't know Josh you did not nail it you're making stuff up again like your druid stuff okay now if you're not gonna participate then you're gonna have to go home you can't play Belgium is the answer Josh you know that
Tim (01:03:52.313)
Good job, Josh.
Tim (01:04:04.817)
Josh, the answer was Belgium. It's saying Belgium.
Tom Tom (01:04:09.326)
Belgian waffles?
Tim (01:04:10.721)
No, Belgium, just Belgium. And Stonehenge. Okay. Stonehenge. It's saying Stonehenge too. All right.
Todd (01:04:14.166)
All right, so Stonehenge, that's it, that's correct. So that's actually saying something. I love where he goes with this. So the whole point of this little experiment is none of us know what that was saying. But when you are suggested
Tim (01:04:34.677)
Oh, for, yeah, without a doubt.
Todd (01:04:36.506)
then it becomes very clear what it was. So let's listen.
Tim (01:04:39.533)
Yeah, yeah. This is why Hell's Bells was so successful in the 1980s youth group, you know, cause they were like, listen, hey, listen, Queen is back masking in their music, okay? So we're gonna play under pressure, okay? We're gonna play it forward. Boom, boom, boom. You know, right? Under pressure. And then they go, okay, stop the tape. Now we're gonna play it backwards. And then, you know, they play it backwards for you
Todd (01:05:00.351)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (01:05:11.634)
But of course they have the subtitles down there below you. Start to smoke marijuana is all you could hear because it was, you know, right there. They subtitled it for you. Just conveniently so. And so then yeah, you're thinking, oh my gosh, he's trying to get me to start to smoke marijuana. Yeah. Here we go.
Todd (01:05:21.038)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. They suggested it.
Todd (01:05:28.434)
Yep, yeah. Well, this is a great example of that, because once you hear the audio that Anil's about to play, you go, oh, no, I totally hear that. So again, back in the day, if you wanted to suggest to a bunch of youth group kids that things were evil, it was easy to do.
Tim (01:05:48.057)
Easy. Just suggest it and they heard it. Oh, yeah.
Todd (01:06:51.022)
This is what I was just saying. Perceptional predictions. Again, car stops in front of you, you react. Our brain is programmed to predict a situation.
That's incredible. Well, it, you know, when you think about, um, alcohol or, you know, being inhibited on some type of drug, uh, and the biggest problem with that is your reaction time, because now your natural perception to an event, uh, is, um, altered and it's no longer safe. So I love this. This is such a cool part. So let's really pay attention to this.
Tim (01:07:06.865)
pretty amazing.
Tim (01:07:21.096)
Mmm.
Todd (01:09:03.81)
I mean, that's fair, right? When we agree, we call it reality. Let's go back to a near-death experience, even prior to that, that people that are on their deathbed. My mother's cousin was born with spina bifida, stayed alive longer than they thought she would, but in her 30s, she passed away. And one of the things she said on her deathbed,
She's lying there, she's about to pass away. She looks up at the ceiling and reaches her hand out and says, it's so beautiful. And then she dies.
Tim (01:09:44.166)
Mm.
Tom Tom (01:09:47.917)
She must have been looking at you, Todd.
Todd (01:09:48.09)
So again, I doubt she was looking at me, but what's cool about that is, again, everyone else in the room were under this perceptional or perceptional consciousness that is collective. We agree upon a reality that she no longer participated in, right? She saw something else. So is it wrong?
We just didn't agree. We just didn't see it. So it does. I don't know. I'm a big believer that in that type of stuff, I think sometimes when the mind is tweaked and things are a little off and people see things, like seeing spirits or anything like that, I believe those things are real. I believe that there is a filter. There's a reality that we agree upon and we don't go outside that reality. It's the exact same way that you didn't hear the words in that audio.
Example that he played until he played the actual words, right? And then you could hear but it could have been other words and you would have believed that right? So I think collectively we are and he's gonna go into this as well that there is a filter that guards and protects us from the real reality, I guess maybe not protects us but just kind of keeps us all within check
and do what is a perceived reality.
Todd (01:13:48.226)
Alright, so for those that are listening and not watching the video, there's this fake hand experiment that's going on. And there's a gentleman sitting at the table. He's got one hand on one side of the table, one hand on the other side of the table, and there's a cardboard divider between the two, so he can't see his left hand. In place of his left hand on the other side of the cardboard divider is a fake hand next to his other real hand. So they're brushing the fake hand, and they're brushing the fake hand.
his real hand on the other side of the divider at the same time. So he's feeling that sensation. And then all of a sudden somebody comes in with a fork and stabs a fake hand and he jerks his real hand that wasn't being stabbed at all away. So it was that sensation of fear that it was actually going to happen to him.
Todd (01:20:19.838)
Yeah. So.
Tim (01:20:23.917)
Uh, he said some stuff in there earlier. I should have stopped you, but, um, awareness of the inner body is interesting. Um, talking about like the, uh, VR, uh, thing with the heartbeat and the arm turning red. That was truly fascinating. I think if we actually like inner thought internally more often, we could get a better sense of our body's health and wellbeing. I had a chiropractor who.
Tim (01:20:55.983)
He was basically a three for one buy. You'd go to him and he would do chiropractic work on you and all the while he's psychoanalyzing you and then at the end he would massage, do chiropractic and all the while he's doing psychology with you. He would always tell me, Tim, you need to listen to your body and I'd be like, what are you talking about?
Genuinely, he was saying you need to think about and have your body go in your brain Kind of process like what's going on the liver your kidneys. How are how is how's your heart? How's you know, and there's a little bit of I think meditation that can be done inwardly to like kind of You know listen to your gut and to your stomach and you know what I mean? There's a certain power there that I think does exist. We don't do it often because our brains are so
interested with the exterior, but I think that was kind of an interesting thing that he brought up there.
Todd (01:21:54.394)
I would completely agree. Um, I have had over this last year, you know, we've, we've taken a hiatus, uh, for, for multiple reasons, but one of them being, um, some health things that I was going through. And in the end, what I found out was we started talking about consciousness and awareness of your body, um, and how the mind can get a little off, right? And what that means for the rest of your body. So.
What was happening with me basically was my mind was freaking out over the world around me and I couldn't get a grip on it. There was nothing to freak out about. Everything was great, but it was manifesting into physical symptoms for me. Heart racing, digestive issues, breathing issues, headaches and all this kind of stuff.
It took, um, you know, a simple anxiety medication to calm all that down and all those physical symptoms that were real dissipated. So again, when we start talking about what happens in the mind, it controls so much. So Tim, even saying like, like Anil said, you know, it's just there, there is, uh,
It's hard for us to listen to our mind. Like I couldn't even listen to my body. Like I knew what my body was doing, but I couldn't really listen to it. Right. Because it was just affected by everything else, everything around me. Um, but my mind was misfiring. It was, it was saying something incorrect and in return it was causing, I mean, literally physical symptoms. Um, it was nuts. So.
Tim (01:23:32.539)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (01:23:44.237)
Mm-hmm. Oh, you know, even this cold and flu season, it's funny, I had a quick little story of that. It's a small little version of what you're saying. You know, I went to the urgent care and I still had this fever. I'm like, guys, can you they were like, oh, hey, you again. Oh, I thought we gave you the Z pack, you know. I know, right. I'm still here.
They were like, well, we're going to do some blood tests and stuff. And we just went, and I told them a little bit about how I had some achiness over here on my side, where, you know, your gallbladder would be, or your, your liver. And, uh, I just said, you know, it's like a four out of 10. Well, as soon as these ladies came back with the blood work and like, they kind of had like a ghost white look on their face and they told me you're going to the ER.
Oh my gosh, I, my body started really like listening in, right? Your body, your brain is like, okay, well, maybe, maybe the taste in my mouth is from this septic gallbladder that they think I have or a liver problem, you know? And you get into that hypochondriac state, your body is like,
That's where your brain goes awry. You know, your brain is awry. It's overthinking now. It's like, Oh, maybe I do have it. Maybe I have, I don't know. Maybe I'm going to be having gallbladder surgery. Right. Get to the hospital. They do scans, prod and poke me, you know, keep me overnight. I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, what's going to happen. Right. Nothing. All of it came back. Nothing, nothing, zero results. We didn't find a thing.
Hey, at least we know, right? You know, that's all good. But my brain then, I guess, was like, oh, okay. It was put back at ease and it no longer felt the need to worry about that taste in my mouth or the, you know what I'm saying? I was like, oh, okay, well, it's none of that. Now all of a sudden it's just, oh, it's just a stupid cold that I just gotta get it rid of, you know? I don't know what it is. But my brain, man, it was all over the place until I heard the answers.
Todd (01:25:40.026)
I do, 100%.
Todd (01:25:54.658)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I dude it is super neat and I have Another example of that so same kind of scenario as you I had a really bad night I couldn't get my blood pressure to go down and it was freaking me out man. Terrifying me
Tim (01:25:56.326)
Kinda neat.
Todd (01:26:11.762)
And so by five in the morning, I'm waking my wife up saying, we got to go to the ER. So we go to the ER and I'm telling you guys, and this is no joke, and I'm sure some of you out there have experienced this. Now, again, my life is good. I don't have anything to complain about. I don't stress about anything, but this anxiety came from nowhere in my mind. I don't know. There might be something attached to it if I went and saw a psychiatrist, but.
In my world, it didn't exist. It just started creeping up and just kind of got worse and worse and worse. So on the way to the hospital, I'm like, uh, I think I'm dying. My heart, I could feel my blood, dude, every, like my blood pressure was spiking. This must be what it feels like. And it's dude, it scared me. And
We ended up at the ER. Finally, they put me in a bed and they put the IV in me. Right. And I'm kind of, I keep looking back and I'm looking back at the monitor that's up here, just kind of checking my blood pressure, checking my heart rate. And I keep looking back and I see my, um, my blood pressure start to go down to normal levels. My heart rate starts to go down to normal levels. And, uh, and so I'm sitting there and at one point I look back and it's where it should be. It's a good blood pressure. It's a great heart rate.
for sitting there relaxing. And I looked down at my arm and I noticed I just have an IV in. They haven't put anything in it. The whole time I was laying in that bed, I thought I was on some type of drip, something to calm me down. And I wasn't. It was all here. So the second I knew, oh my gosh.
Tim (01:27:44.131)
Mm-hmm.
Tom Tom (01:27:45.282)
placebo effect.
Tim (01:27:47.373)
Yeah, sure placebo effect sure
Todd (01:27:48.65)
The second I knew that I was in that bed and they were taking care of me, everything calmed down. But at home, I was terrified. I couldn't get it to go down no matter what I did. Um, so dude, there is something that is so crazy with this mind and this perception and, you know, I say all that to say like reality is it. There was nothing wrong with me. I mean, you know, it was all in my head.
Tim (01:27:56.965)
Right.
Tim (01:28:14.278)
Well, I'm-
Todd (01:28:18.246)
So again, you start to go... No, I'm sorry, Tim, go ahead.
Tim (01:28:18.953)
You know
No, no, no.
Todd (01:28:24.414)
I was just gonna say so you know all the sudden you know it clicked in my head as I'm lying in that bed that it is anxiety that there is something chemically wrong in my head. Now mind you I had tried a tremendous amount of natural things prior to going on any type of medication or SSRI it's not what I wanted to do but I needed to so
Tim (01:28:24.946)
finish.
Todd (01:28:53.498)
I'm just saying that to say that if you're out there and you've got anything going on similar to that, you know, it doesn't mean you have to be on it forever, but man, listen to your doctors, maybe give it a try. It has changed the trajectory of how I feel and operate daily. And I'm not all like giddy now and I'm not all not who I am. I still get sad. I still get happy. I just have better days, man. Like every day is a better day.
Tim (01:29:19.769)
lower lows and higher, you're more even. Peaks and valleys aren't as bad.
Todd (01:29:23.262)
Yes, yeah, they're not as bad. And I never realized that they were, but they were.
Tim (01:29:29.965)
Yeah, yeah. Real quick, this is kind of a change of subject, but I think that it's interesting when people go into like, you know, what do you call them? Deprivation chambers or the tanks, you know, where they're floating in a salt solution. I've never done it. Have you done it, Todd? We gotta do it. We should do it.
Todd (01:29:53.458)
No, I've never done it. I'm claustrophobic, but I would love to do it. Yeah.
Tim (01:29:57.381)
I know. Well, okay. If you could get over that. But, um, you know, one thing I wanted to say about consciousness and, and something that I didn't quite hear in the Ted talk and the guy before, but it's kind of interesting. Your brain in a, in a deprivation chamber gets bored. It, and it no longer has the, um, body in front of it, right? You're laying on your back, you're in complete darkness and you're floating.
Todd (01:30:27.244)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (01:30:28.089)
And that's why, uh, deprivation t-tank, you know, things are so amazing to people supposedly, because your brain now has a, a no body, no reference of what it knew and it starts creating the reality in this new space. So, uh, it's something to try. And I know another thing that, you know, uh, there was this video I saw and I have, we, I think we've all done this before, if we're honest, have you ever sat there in the sun and you're on the beach?
Todd (01:30:45.132)
Wow.
Tim (01:30:58.437)
You're on your chair and you just let that sun just cook right there in your eyelids. Right. And you just, it's so bright orange, red, you know, you can kind of almost see your veins or see the skin structure of your eyelids, you know, there were, there was a experience or experiment they were doing with people where they were putting them under a light, you know, and I think playing like white noise or something.
Todd (01:31:09.234)
Mm-hmm.
Tim (01:31:28.661)
And in the same similar thing happens, just like a deprivation chamber, your mind goes to a place where it no longer has a body to look at. It's not, you know, it starts to create day hallucinations in this new area. You know, so I don't know, give yourself homework tonight, everybody who's listened and go find yourself the nearest spa that does deprivation.
But it might be a fun thing to try to experience where your consciousness goes when it doesn't have the normal appendages to look at in the normal environments to be in. Because apparently you create something brand new. It's bored. It gets bored and it becomes like you embody into some different awareness there. Yeah, right?
Todd (01:32:08.588)
Well...
Tom Tom (01:32:15.65)
field trip.
Todd (01:32:17.15)
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I mean, I think that's something we should do is created by human goes and gives it a shot, man, because I don't know about podcasts cause I'm pretty, pretty sure we're in water. So, uh, afterwards, yeah, afterwards we'll come out. Um, I think that would be a lot of fun to do again. Um, uh, I am claustrophobic. It does freak me out. Like I've done MRIs, um, and they, they freak me out. Yeah.
Tim (01:32:22.309)
does a podcast in a deprivation chamber. But after it, we come out and we talk about it. Yeah.
Tim (01:32:39.618)
You can get over it.
Todd (01:32:45.834)
They totally freaked me out. But, you know, again, I haven't had one since being medicated, so they might be all right now.
Tim (01:32:46.949)
Well...
Tim (01:32:52.985)
Yeah, take a couple of, what do you have the, the CBD, G B D, gay BD, Judea, but a bit of a gay bugger. Take that pill. I said gay in there. That was not meant to be an offense to the, uh, LG T Q B. Uh, it was just, it just was improv. Um, but yeah, take that pill and, um, then go into your deprivation chamber. I bet you have a good time. I would actually probably take an edible or something like, you know, like a, a little like a.
Todd (01:32:57.943)
CBD gibboning gibbonings. Yep.
Todd (01:33:05.944)
I hope it wasn't.
Todd (01:33:17.972)
Well.
Tom Tom (01:33:18.606)
I wanna do it.
Tim (01:33:22.873)
you know, one of those Cheech and Chong ones they sell or something, go in there and see what that would be like.
Todd (01:33:26.346)
man see that's the thing dude yeah I know you you're good with it like I've just I've never done good with THD it always has made me I mean ever since I was you know when did I try it first 16 ever since 16 man it's made me anxious like I just get super anxious I don't feel well and that would that would freak me out to be locked in a chamber
Tim (01:33:49.125)
Let's leave this part out, actually.
Tim (01:33:54.249)
I hear you. Well, then try, uh, what is it? What is it? The kids are drinking. Oh gosh. It's. There you go. Oh, that's nice. What a bathing with friends. Uh, what? There's this thing that
Tom Tom (01:34:01.667)
I can be in there with you Todd, we can be in the same one together. We can float together. Mmhmm.
Todd (01:34:04.842)
Oh, we could float together. Oh.
Tim (01:34:13.541)
Man, I gotta think of a drink. If they call it something, it's like one syllable. And it's a cough medicine. I think they just, huh?
Todd (01:34:24.447)
Scissor?
Tim (01:34:26.989)
No, it's well, it's I think it's based on like, yeah, something like a oh gosh. What's that cough syrup? I can't think of it like, you know, DM, the DM stuff, you know, the stuff you make a meth out of.
Todd (01:34:27.266)
coding.
Todd (01:34:43.567)
Oh sure, yeah yeah.
Tim (01:34:45.565)
I forget what it's called. There's a group like they call it green drink or something like that. But they were giving it to old people the other day on a YouTube thing. And man, were they getting? Yeah, but I mean, not purple drink, but something like it. I forget what it's called. I'll try to look it up and see if I can. I'll just look real quick. But they were taking it. I know, right? No, it's not that. Hold on. Old. People.
Todd (01:34:54.578)
Is that my purple drink?
Todd (01:35:04.382)
Yeah, why don't you just Google it? Because I'm pretty sure you're talking about Sizz or-
Tim (01:35:15.965)
Cry.
Todd (01:35:17.578)
Are you googling old people try scissor?
Tim (01:35:19.165)
Thanks.
Uh...
Todd (01:35:25.714)
I like have you ever seen those videos of like the old the two or three old ladies who are all getting high? And they're like old and they're like dude. They are having a blast. Oh my gosh. They're having so much fun Yeah, they're having a great time
Tim (01:35:30.961)
Yeah.
Tim (01:35:35.736)
Right?
Tim (01:35:40.839)
Hold on.
Todd (01:35:42.227)
What's going on? Is Google broken?
Tim (01:35:45.148)
No.
Todd (01:35:48.31)
Dead Air.
Tim (01:35:49.829)
Hold on, hold on. Lean, lean. Scissor, yeah. So there's this drink.
Todd (01:35:51.382)
Jet Air. Lean, let's scissor.
Don't scissor, yeah. That's what I... Yeah, okay. Yeah, lean.
Tim (01:35:59.961)
Lean is it so that says they try lean is a drink lean drink the lean excuse me the lean drink is Hold on
Todd (01:36:09.562)
Uh huh.
Please tell me it says Sizzurp in that article you're reading. Yeah! AKA Purple drink. Yeah!
Tim (01:36:14.721)
It does say scissor. Lean also known, also known as purple drink or scissor is a recreational drug concoction made with cop syrup that has gained popularity, especially with young adults. Lean drink is a dangerous cocktail made by combining one or more prescription cop medicines, typically containing codeine and or promethazine. These products are described for serious respiratory conditions and are not available over the counter.
Todd (01:36:38.487)
Mmm.
Tim (01:36:44.057)
Uh, this prescription syrup is typically combined with soda, often sprite, and sometimes hard candy, like Jolly Ranchers for added flavor. The color of this resulting beverage has earned the purple drank moniker. Cost service. Yeah, I don't know, but people have like some strange effects with it. Like, I don't know. You should have seen the guys taking it. I know. I like, it was interesting. I was like, Whoa, the old.
Todd (01:37:03.486)
Like what? What do they say? I mean, I'd like I kind of would want would try some scissors, some lean.
Tim (01:37:12.853)
the people take a couple sips and then they're like, I don't feel a thing. And then they're like, well, maybe take a few more. And so they go, and next thing you know, they're just like, bleh. Like, oh, what just happened? Like they just get all like relaxed and fall back. And it was interesting. I had never heard of it. And I was like, oh man, that's weird. Probably not good for your kidneys. So don't do it. But.
Todd (01:37:29.803)
Yeah.
Todd (01:37:37.894)
Yeah, probably not good. I think that's what happens with a lot of these, um, uh, musicians and artists that are out there. They start mixing a lot of this stuff. Like, you know, they're on tour, they've got Adderall, they've got some scissor in there. Right. I mean, seriously, like, and so it's a whole concoction and then all of a sudden you have respiratory issues and your heart stops, you know, and then that's it lights out, you know.
Tim (01:37:46.199)
Yeah.
Tim (01:37:51.411)
They got a steroid shot.
Tim (01:37:58.569)
Yeah. Uh, apparently, uh, I heard on NBC news the other day, MSNBC, Oh no, it was, um, it was Seth Meyers, I think he was one of those comedians. They were talking about how, uh, they found some sort of drug that they were mixing on the Republican party's plane. I guess everybody's been talking about this weird mix of drugs that they're taking and it's becoming.
quite the talk. You'll have to Google it everybody, but I thought that was interesting. Like, oh really? So we're, we're mixing some of the hardcore prescription jugs and making a new one. Anyway, I don't know if it's true, but it was on the comic shows.
Todd (01:38:43.429)
Oh.
Fascinating. Well, listen guys, here's the deal. Um, we've talked about scissor. We've talked about lean, which are the same thing. Um, but we spent a lot of time talking about consciousness. Yeah. Purple drank, but we spent a lot of time talking about consciousness and, um, it's a, uh, it's just something I want to really dive into this season and, and try to understand.
Tim (01:38:46.744)
Alright man.
Tim (01:38:54.706)
Ha ha ha!
Tim (01:38:58.373)
Purple drink. Yeah.
Todd (01:39:11.922)
What's near death? Like, let's hear some more stories. What do other people say about consciousness? Like, it all ties together and we're going to go into some alien stuff, man. We're going to go into all the weird stuff that we go into and it all ties together. I'm telling you. And we're going to be able to start making these links and tying it all together. And and, you know, at the end of the season, are we going to have any answers? No.
Tim (01:39:24.758)
Mmm.
Tim (01:39:31.857)
We're gonna have full understanding. Mm-hmm.
Todd (01:39:33.418)
We're, we might, I don't know. But I do think it's going to give us something to think about, right? It's going to be thought provoking. It's going to maybe open our eyes a little bit more open our minds a little bit more to the idea that yeah, there is more out there and I have to lean on that. Like I do. I have to lean on that lean. I have to scissor upon that a little bit, just a little bit. Hey, love you guys.
Tim (01:39:52.373)
lean purple drink on that.
Tim (01:40:01.305)
I love you guys too. Have a good one everybody. Peace. Bye. Bye bye.
Tom Tom (01:40:03.714)
Do it well. Bye, peace.
Todd (01:40:04.09)
Peace! Bye!