Imagine dreaming big dreams with your partner and creating a safe space for vulnerability and shared aspirations. In this episode, we delve into the profound impact of supporting each other's passions, even when they seem unattainable. This isn’t just about fulfilling dreams; it's about the journey of dreaming together and the strong emotional connections it builds.
How often do you take the time to explore and cherish your partner's dreams? We discuss the significance of embracing each other's passions to foster deeper intimacy in relationships. By sharing and supporting each other's "kingdom dreams," couples can enhance their emotional bonds and mutual respect. Tune in for an inspiring episode that celebrates not just marriage but the beautiful adventure of dreaming and growing together, as we continue on our journey of Still Becoming One.
Imagine dreaming big dreams with your partner and creating a safe space for vulnerability and shared aspirations. In this episode, we delve into the profound impact of supporting each other's passions, even when they seem unattainable. This isn’t just about fulfilling dreams; it's about the journey of dreaming together and the strong emotional connections it builds.
How often do you take the time to explore and cherish your partner's dreams? We discuss the significance of embracing each other's passions to foster deeper intimacy in relationships. By sharing and supporting each other's "kingdom dreams," couples can enhance their emotional bonds and mutual respect. Tune in for an inspiring episode that celebrates not just marriage but the beautiful adventure of dreaming and growing together, as we continue on our journey of Still Becoming One.
Welcome to the Still Becoming One podcast. We are Brad and Kate.
Speaker 2:In our more than 20 years of marriage, we've survived both dark times and experienced restoration.
Speaker 1:Now as a licensed marriage counselor and relationship coaches. We help couples to regain hope and joy.
Speaker 2:We invite you to journey with us, as we are Still Becoming One.
Speaker 1:Let's start the conversation. Hello everyone, Welcome back to Still Becoming One.
Speaker 2:Yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 1:It's been a little while. We took a little bit of break from our podcast series while Kate and I were celebrating our 25th anniversary.
Speaker 2:That isn't until later this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we still have another month but we were celebrating it a little early and we took a trip and we're away and we're recovering from said trip and all of the things. I don't think we're recovering from said trip.
Speaker 2:We're recovering from being home after the trip.
Speaker 1:Yes, right, getting back to our schedule, getting back to real life. All of that yeah.
Speaker 2:No, there was no recovery needed from the trip. The trip was amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2:I mean, we just sat down to podcast to just share with you the time we had and the good things God does when we get away. And we were sitting here and Brad's like are you ready? And I'm like I'm ready, but then I had like no microphone in front of me or anything.
Speaker 1:So apparently, she's so relaxed she forgot what she's doing.
Speaker 2:I've forgotten how we do this gig.
Speaker 1:That we've been doing for three years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:So you needed some time away. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I feel like, don't you always need time away?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean, you know this is part of life, that we work hard. You know biblically that comes from choices that we made in the very beginning in the garden. So it's a part of who we are and there are good things that come with it and from it.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:But it's also really nice to, especially in this day and age, unplug and just get away.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I think I'd be hard-pressed to say there's not a time that I wouldn't enjoy doing that. But it's also, yeah, it's we just we love doing it, but it's hard. It's hard to plan it, it's hard to work out the finances for it, like it's not something that you and I can do all the time that would be amazing?
Speaker 1:Oh, of course not.
Speaker 2:So, but anyways, yes, I don't know. Didn't you need a time away?
Speaker 1:Oh goodness, it was, you know, so wonderful to slow down and to not have a ton of responsibilities and to just not, you know, worry about a lot of things like that. That was what I found lovely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too, just every day. We, really we. We took a bit of work because we want to. You know, we don't have anyone else to handle that for us. We run our own business. So we kept up to date. But the rest of the time we just let things like sit and it was just so wonderful. Um, yeah, so maybe we should share a little bit about our trip and why we went, obviously to celebrate our 25th anniversary. We try to do a bigger trip, I guess, every five years yeah about.
Speaker 2:Well, in the last, the last two five-year periods right, we did for our 28th and then now we did for our 25th, but before that we really didn't no, the last one we went before was our 11th because we went to florida. I don't know why, guys, that was just a random odd year because we got gifted a place to stay in florida.
Speaker 1:True, and that's.
Speaker 2:That's when we were in the thick of caring for my uncle who was dying of cancer. Like that was a just unique time right but yes, in the last five years we've gone away twice because our kids are older and can be more self-sufficient and whatnot. So for our anniversary, we decided to do a little bit more this year and I think one of the biggest things is we decided to take some more time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think that was a huge factor for me right Like I don't think in my life ever maybe when I was a kid, you know, obviously with like summer vacation and stuff but I don't think I've ever had a two week vacation before.
Speaker 2:I don't think I have either.
Speaker 1:So that was new, but it was lovely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we decided to do two weeks because I am probably sharing a little backstory.
Speaker 2:When I was 16, or the summer of my 16th birthday, I spent a good portion of the summer in England. My parents had found a program that our school ran where we were exchange students, so like we hosted someone and then they hosted me back and it was such a life changing trip for me. I don't even know if my parents know how life changing it was for me and a lot of that has to do with my story, um, which I won't go into, but it was just a trip that um met me in a space and a time that really changed my, my heart and I kind of, with that, fell in love with the land of where I was, if that makes sense, and I was in England. Obviously, we've kind of shared some of that and the family that I was with was wonderful and it just became this place that I couldn't wait to go back to. And I feel like you've always known that since we're dating, because we started dating that next fall.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, Very soon after you came back. I knew you while you were there. We were friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were friends, that was about it.
Speaker 1:So, yeah. So yeah, I, you know, certainly have heard about England and your trip the whole 30 years that we've been together.
Speaker 2:I don't think I talk about the trip so much, just so much that I wanted to go back. Yeah, and when I did my story work group with NFTC, with Allender, the Allender Center, like they just encouraged me that that was a kingdom dream and to not just think it was silly.
Speaker 1:So what is? What do you think that means? A kingdom dream?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great question, because it does sound kind of like odd and what fits into that category. Dream journey. I have thought about that ever since they said that that was a curriculum we did a long time ago. That was out of a church. It was out of a church in Australia.
Speaker 1:I think so I don't know. We did it with our small group.
Speaker 2:It was yes, but I think the kingdom dream is somewhere in between Good Like that and people saying like you know, those things are of the world. We don't right, we shouldn't be of the world, and I agree with that. But I think there are so many things of this world that God created the people.
Speaker 1:Somewhere between. I'm just interrupting somewhere between. God wants you to be happy. Theology and the other side of that you kind of have. I don't know. I'm trying to think who's on the top of this list? Francis Chan, for one, is like everything should be ministry-focused. Right, if you and your wife want to go away, go on a mission trip, go on a mission trip, right Like we've heard him say that and it's like so you're talking kind of somewhere between those two wild extremes 100%. So yeah, okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 2:Jesus lives in between those extremes, lived in between those extremes. I mean, he did ministry and wherever he was, but I also think he stopped to acknowledge the people and the things that God had created. So that's what's in between. This was a place that became special to my heart, honestly, because it's a part of my story and it's just something that I really wanted to do again and honestly, we spent most of our time in the southern part of England, where it's just rugged and wild and beautiful and not lots of people, around beautiful oceans and cliffs, and we just soaked up the goodness of who God is.
Speaker 1:Oh, just the absolute beauty of the land that he created the space. Yes, we went to some places where people did things to the land, but I think by far all of our favorites were when we got off the beaten path and were able to just see the wild beauty of nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, absolutely. Or I would say, god's people. I also fell in love with God's people in that country. Why, I don't know. I think it really is because of what was going on in my life at 16 and how that trip was so much of a freedom journey for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I just love talk. We loved talking to the locals, hearing about their lives, hearing about the things that they do that are very different from us, and celebrating who they were. I think it's also looking at God's people in these places and just seeing the beauty.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I love that, I love that. So I just want to push into you kind of said this was a kingdom dream for you. How do you know when something's like oh yeah, I'd like to do that versus this is a kingdom? Like there's a God part to it.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe we should stop and actually talk about dreams, and I don't mean dreams at night, I mean like things that you want to do in life. You could even call them bucket lists.
Speaker 2:I think those things are okay to have, but I do think they're and encourage them. I think it's great for us to have lists of like. That's something I'd like to do. I believe dreaming and wanting to see the world and God's people is a beautiful thing. People is a beautiful thing, I think, where it separates itself into something that just feels very sacred for you. I think it's very individual. Unfortunately, I honestly am sitting back now reflecting on my time and thinking someday I'd love to go back. I'd love to go back. I don't know. I don't know if that will ever happen and that's okay, but I don't know that I have a ton of other kingdom dreams that involve something like that for me.
Speaker 1:So for you it was a place where you almost knew God had part of your story and that there was kind of a fulfillment of you a fulfillment of who he's designing you to be and who he's writing that story with you to be in that, for you it was a location I know.
Speaker 1:When we were on vacation we had some of this conversation and I kind of said you know, I'm not sure my kingdom dreams are as much location attached. I think you know that for you was very much. I want to be here. For me they're different than that Maybe accomplishments or things that I would like to do, but less location attached.
Speaker 2:And I think that Kingdom Dreams can look however God has designed you in your story to look, and I wouldn't say that I don't have any other Kingdom Dreams.
Speaker 1:I just don't think they're attached to that.
Speaker 2:You know that part of my story, that um country, you know, and it was really in, in, I think.
Speaker 2:I grew up so long holding that in my heart and feeling like it was silly and childish, but it really was my story group story, work group that embraced it and gave it words and encouraged it, um, and so I think that, um, that's okay, like I think, and I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 2:So I think that that was really needed and it was okay for me to be able to say, like this is part of who I am, it's part of what I want and I don't know if we'll ever get to do it Like I would have said that pre going but it's okay for me to have that dream. And that's the thing I think that we often feel like having dreams is of the world and I I just don't think that is the case. If we're constantly chasing things like, does that make sense? We're constantly chasing the next thing that kind of makes us feel that high, makes us I mean honestly, probably going all over the place here with this, but like when we were there, I don't, I didn't feel a high, I felt peace yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you're right in saying this. This is not like a chasing. The next dopamine hit this adventure is really kind of going looking for contentment, looking for where you know God has placed something special for you. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Right, and I mean, I just want to, you know, I know this is such a minute detail, but we had just a ton of fun. We did a lot of different things. We did a lot together that we just like decided what do we, what do we want to do right now? And there was one day that we had come back, um, to our Airbnb and we were kind of chilling and it was, you know, heading towards later dinner time or whatever, and you just kind of very quickly, very said okay, well, let's go here. And you hadn't done that, really the whole trip well, I think you're our adventure.
Speaker 2:Like look for things you suggested. I was like sure let's go.
Speaker 1:I mean we'd already walked like six miles that day, but I was like sure let's go and it turned out to be like so we end up, you know finding and you know we have all these stories about trying to find this place to park, that then you walk a mile to get to this hidden cove it was and you know, we ended up seeing the sunset in a hidden cove with a waterfall and just beautiful spaces, all by ourselves. It was magical. Yeah, it was. It was really special.
Speaker 1:But I think in that I'm saying that because I think there was a part of you that it's like God has painted this for you and it's like I want you to have this.
Speaker 2:I mean I felt his spirit speaking to me in so many moments of provision on that trip and, yeah, I just think our dreams are so special but we often don't feel like we can give them words because the people around us won't receive them right. And I think it took you a while in the beginning of our marriage to be able to understand the significance of that for me. But you have embraced it beautifully with me and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think this is really the point that I would love to talk about in this podcast, because I think it's where the value comes in for other people is. I think these aren't that unique.
Speaker 1:I think everybody has some special kingdom dreams, whether it's a place to go, a place to see, a place to experience God, a thing to do, something that has just been laid on your heart that keeps coming back, that it's an ache, it's something that's there, and my question, my thing to wonder, is do you know what yours is and do you know what your spouse's is?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that's great because when I meet with women, I talk with them about their dreams and I don't know what your experience is with guys doing that, but most of them are very hesitant to share them right, they're real and they're raw. And if we don't think our spouse is going to receive them, well, are they going to to be laughed out? Are they going to be thought silly that we would rather just keep them tucked in?
Speaker 2:I'm, and I think that's everybody not just women like we'll just well, then we'll just keep it tucked in here, because letting your dream out and let it hearing someone say or laugh yeah, or even just say same for guys even just saying like well, I don't think we'd ever have the money to do that.
Speaker 2:I think that's where you were for a long time yeah the thing I tell people all the time is it's oh right, you can just validate a dream. It doesn't have to mean that, because I knew for a long time, and even when you said, let's do it, let's make it a reality, like I almost couldn't believe that we were going to, but like part of me was like even now I would like to go back again. I have no idea whether that will happen, right, and I'm okay with that. It's still a dream I have and I just don't want somebody like poo-pooing on it.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely it does.
Speaker 2:And I think for husband and wives we have to like have a vulnerable space where sharing our dreams is okay. We might need to ask some clarifying questions, as you say, because sometimes it's like.
Speaker 1:Are we ready to go do that tomorrow, or is this just like a vision dream?
Speaker 2:Right or.
Speaker 1:You literally have talked about this dream of us going to England together for the whole of our time, knowing each other, and I would say you specifically talking about Cornwall and exploring there probably has been the last 20 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's been more recent, Something like that. Right, that's not really recent 20 years, but anyways.
Speaker 1:But it's literally been something that you have mentioned multiple times and you know it comes back and it's not something that you ever said I have. We have to go do this. We have to do this Like you weren't even the one like going okay, we have to save for this. Like it was.
Speaker 1:you know just something that was a passion for you and an interest for you and something you were learning about and you know all the things. So me, if I had just been like, yeah, yeah, that's nice, I think that would be really hurtful. And.
Speaker 1:I think I learned a long time ago that just listening to your dream it costs me nothing To listen to the why, to listen to the passion, to listen to the interest, to learn a little bit about what you're thinking about. And look, I know I'm thinking of a guy recently that I was talking to that his dream was to kind of have a gentleman's farm and he doesn't really have the money to have a gentleman's farm but he wants one.
Speaker 2:Wait, what's a gentleman's farm? We farm gentlemen. That could be great.
Speaker 1:No, like 10 acres, like small, small farm, Like it's a farm but he's still working and it's not like I want to go farm full time.
Speaker 2:It's more than a hobby. Yes, right, also, he has to work somewhere else, full time, got it.
Speaker 1:So that's what he was meaning, but he doesn't really have the money for it. He doesn't have that, but he's learned all about doing it.
Speaker 1:Right and like part of his interest is just learning this and these kind of things and he admitted it kind of like I don't really talk about it with my wife because it bugs her that I talk about it all the time and I'm like but it's okay, this is something you're interested in, and I understand where it's like, yeah, we can't do that right, but if it's something that you're interested in and it's a passion, then it's like hey, how do you at least just learn to be there with them? It? Costs you nothing to be there with that person's dream.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly yeah. That's a tough one and I think that's exactly what we're trying to say To be able to sit with your spouse in their dreams. That did make me think about. I think one of our kingdom dreams together is our dream of like having a little bit of land.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:This is our hope and dream for someday. Who knows what it'll look like, but to have enough land for us to build a small cabin on and then have like four other I guess we'd call them tiny.
Speaker 1:Tiny homes or tiny cabins, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that we can host marriage retreats, but also that we can host our four children and their families. So that's our hope, and that our children and their families. We could have grandkids at our house and they could each have the tiny when they stay with us.
Speaker 1:When they stay with us, yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like that's a, that's a kingdom dream of ours that we would eventually like to do and continue what we're doing, but be able to do that as well.
Speaker 1:So we're we're currently looking for family compounds.
Speaker 2:That sounds so weird, but that's what they're called. We're not making Kool-Aid Multi-family oh my gosh Compounds that sounds so weird, but that's what they're called. We're not making Kool-Aid.
Speaker 1:Multi-family oh my gosh Compounds. We just don't know where, right, Like that's the thing. We don't know where God is calling us to be. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right Like so, and it's hard because our kids are just starting to launch, so who knows where they'll be and what kind of decisions we want to make around that?
Speaker 1:So that's kind of a but that is another one of ours that we've talked about and we've fostered for a long time of like, yeah, I think we could do that into our retirement kind of thing. So we'll see where God goes with some of those. I would really encourage you to be having some of these conversations with your spouse. When do you, as a couple, slow down enough to dream? And I remember years ago, when I was the executive director of a counseling agency, I did some coaching and one of the things I told my coach was I end up getting so stuck in the day-to-day admin stuff because I was a counselor, I was the administrator and I was also the one kind of supposed to be doing vision for the organization. And I told him, like I get so stuck in the day-to-day that I don't really have any ability to do the vision stuff. And he really encouraged me that our brains are not designed to switch between the two.
Speaker 1:Right, we can't like keep the grocery list and the to-do list and also slow down and think about where do I want to be in five years? And he said really the only way to switch between those two is to move away from your space that is your day-to-day, and go into a space and it can be a different room in the house, it's not like it has to be go on vacation, it could be go somewhere to do this, but to really just go to a different space and go. Okay, I want to have a long-term conversation.
Speaker 1:I want us to look at where do we want to be as a couple in five years, right? What do you think would happen in your marriage if you asked that question of each other? Where do we want to be as a couple in five years? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, and sometimes those are going to be little transition changes. Maybe your kids are in the toddler stage and so five years? It's like, okay, we're going to be in school stage and we're going to be kind of busy with all these things. But this is where I think we could be and that may be just small steps For Kate and I. We start looking at five years. We're going to have a lot of change in the next five years.
Speaker 2:True, that's true, which I'm super excited about.
Speaker 1:I don't want to make that sound negative. I think for us, within the next five years, all of our kids will be launched to some extent Correct, and you know whether any of them land back here or not, I don't know. But you know there's just a different place of man we get to think about where do we want to be?
Speaker 2:Yeah, where do we want?
Speaker 1:to be yeah, so I think, I think, as we've said, like couples dreams, but also your own.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have conversations with women all the time Like what do you desire? That's a really hard question for people to answer so hard. It's very vulnerable, but I think it's worth thinking about why. Why do I have trouble answering that? Cause it's very vulnerable, but I think it's worth thinking about why do I have trouble answering that? Because it's very story-based, for every single person. So what do my desires look like, you know, and our desires easily feed into our self-care.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And that I connect the two for the women that I work with and saying, like, your self-care list shouldn't have to look like anyone else's. It should be based on how God made you and your desires are probably going to be like they're going to intertwine. So you know, self-care for me are things that like if I'm scrolling on Instagram, as Brad knows, I have the majority of what I'm seeing are pictures of Cornwall, that is true, or other funny British sites, or whatever things like that, because that's something that brings me joy, makes me laugh, makes me smile.
Speaker 1:And what is mostly mine, if I'm scrolling on Facebook or something.
Speaker 2:Well, there could be lots of different things, such as plants, pens whiskey Things I'm learning about right.
Speaker 2:It is usually hobbies that I'm learning about right and something I'm kind of interested in at the time is usually what ends up on my feed. Brad was a little sad because england is not a high whiskey country, but that's okay, we had fun. Anyways, we we went to lots of pubs which you get to meet the local culture. It's so fun we went to a pub on a bike ride that what brad, like this pub, is older than our country.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was founded in the 1320s.
Speaker 2:Amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to be crazy so yeah, so we did you know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just so fun and I just, you know, getting back on that, I felt like God so many times in those moments was speaking to my heart about different things, and it was such a beautiful, beautiful, peaceful mix of all of that.
Speaker 2:But, also, I think one of the things that I relate to a lot in the British people is their dry humor, which Brad sometimes does not appreciate my dry humor as much as he could, should, and so there were so many times they would have like a dry, snarky remark and Brad's like oh, my word, he's like these people, are you?
Speaker 2:And even in that like it just feels so very much like home in many ways, and so it was just really fun for us to explore. I loved that you. I was worried that I was kind of like dragging you on two weeks of something I loved and worried that that would get boring, or you know, I really tried to be in tune with what you would like too it boring, or you know, I really tried to be in tune with what you would like to so but I was so thankful that you tried to embrace and see it through my eyes, if nothing else.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, and I think that's actually. I'm really glad you said that, because I think it is that kind of thing that holds people back from sharing their dreams is my spouse is going to not want, to, not like it, not be interested, not be as excited as I am, and I think we need to give them the grace to not be as excited as we are but to be able to kind of push past that and say this is somebody who loves me who wants to hear my heart right and be able to share who we are, where we are, and really give the gift of showing them your dream and then, hopefully, your spouse holding that dream.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what I was thinking Holding it well, yeah. No, I don't expect you to be the Anglophile that I am, although I don't really love that term. It just sounds so weird. I don't expect that by any means, but I appreciate that when we were there experiencing it, you were trying to experience it yourself from a really cool perspective. I knew the nature part you were going to relate with, because I know that's something you love, but the culture part you is probably something that is a little bit more difficult for you to like, naturally just fall into sure right um, and so, yeah, I appreciated that you, you did that and, yeah, I'm just super thankful for that.
Speaker 2:We also had the opportunity to hang out with my exchange student from all those years ago twice, which was really cool. I just love and appreciate her so much. And then actually got to meet one of my NFTC small group people who I knew lived in England, and that was just such a special treat to meet her and her family, because we live an ocean away and so it was just really cool that we got to do that. So there was also some connecting in the country that wasn't just us alone, which was a special treat as well. So, yeah, so, just thinking along these lines, I would love for husbands and wives to think about their desires, their what do they love, what do they? You know, I think as Brad and I sit here, we can name the things each other loves.
Speaker 1:I think so right, you know we can. We could share a lot about each other's kingdom dreams. And that's because we've been intentional about stepping away and forcing those conversations, and I do kind of mean that it is so easy for the oh, we need to talk about this kid or this thing is happening or oh this thing's going on with our clients.
Speaker 1:It's easy to slow down and talk about those. It is harder to go. You know, where do you want to be in five years? What if you knew? The answer was not no, what would you want to do? Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think one of the dangerous questions in fact I ask my group this all the time is if you knew you would be successful at something, if you knew something would work, what would you try? And I think that is such a powerful but dangerous question of just because it eliminates that doubt, it eliminates that fear that, at least I think for men, often holds us back from even trying our kingdom dreams Probably something I need to think about.
Speaker 2:There you go. I was trying to think the equivalent for women, but I do think it's just. It's very intimate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, it is very intimate. Yeah, it is, it is very intimate, and this is why we've decided we wanted to talk about this today, because it is all about deeper intimacy with your spouse. Right, this is a place where knowing each other, right? How many times have you heard people talking about their relationship and they're choosing or they're asking about emotional intimacy? And so often when we use that word emotional intimacy in fact, I didn't want to use it in this podcast, but here it is when we use that word, I get men coming back and going. I don't know what that means, and this is exactly what we're talking about, it's. Do we know each other's heart enough to hold these things?
Speaker 1:to each other, that we can open up, we can be vulnerable and we can cherish each other's dreams, goals, visions cherish each other's dreams, goals, visions.
Speaker 2:God made us all individuals and he put different desires and heart things in every single one of us, and to think he didn't is kind of one dimensional. Yeah. Like desire. God created desire.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:He created desire for different things. Not just we tend to use that word in sexual intimacy, but that's not the only thing that we desire in life.
Speaker 1:Right, and to understand your well, to understand your relationship with sexual desire, you probably need to understand your relationship with desire in general, and that's so such an important part of this, because I think most people do not understand desire, except for that place where it kind of pushes through and it's like, oh okay, I want that or I'm not sure why I don't. Right, that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think that's such a powerful thing of going. Hey, these are desires, and desire can be good, desire can be holy, and looking at how do you share desire with your spouse Such a beautiful thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So well. I hope that was enriching. I hope that was something for challenging for some of you to explore and to think about, and we would love to hear from some of you. If you want to share what your kingdom desires are, if you want to explore what your kingdom desires are, and we would love to talk to you, so send us a message. It's help at stillbecomingonecom. We would love to hear from you. Well, until next time on Still Becoming One, I'm Brad Aldrich.
Speaker 2:And I'm Kate Aldrich. Be kind and take care of each other.
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