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Step back in time to 1981 with us as we uncover the whip-cracking wonder of "Raiders of the Lost Ark," a film that not only captured the imagination of a generation but continues to thrill audiences today. Our journey starts with the film's jaw-dropping success and the unforgettable score by John Williams, setting the scene for a deep dive into the heart of Indiana Jones' timeless appeal. From the iconic boulder chase to the chilling snake pit, we share behind-the-scenes tidbits and personal reflections on how this adventure saga fired up our own dreams of discovery and shaped our love for storytelling.
Harrison Ford's portrayal of Indiana Jones wasn't just the birth of a cinematic icon; it was a masterclass in improvisation and heroism against the backdrop of historical intrigue. We'll discuss the cleverly woven historical threads and Indy's global escapades, revealing how these elements grounded the film's fantastical narrative in a reality that still resonates in popular culture. The chapter focusing on the adventure in Nepal showcases not only Indy's relentless pursuit of the Ark but also the complex relationship dynamics that elevate the story beyond mere action-adventure into a saga of personal growth and partnership.
Wrapping up, we dissect the potent symbolism of the Ark of the Covenant and its parallels with the quest for atomic power during World War II, while also celebrating the film's influence on today's pop culture — from theme park attractions to video games. From the fascinating musical connections to the touch of nostalgia offered by vintage commercials, this episode is a treasure trove of anecdotes and insights that honor one of cinema's greatest adventures. So, grab your fedora and join us as we pay tribute to the enduring legacy of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and the remarkable journey of Indiana Jones.
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Step back in time to 1981 with us as we uncover the whip-cracking wonder of "Raiders of the Lost Ark," a film that not only captured the imagination of a generation but continues to thrill audiences today. Our journey starts with the film's jaw-dropping success and the unforgettable score by John Williams, setting the scene for a deep dive into the heart of Indiana Jones' timeless appeal. From the iconic boulder chase to the chilling snake pit, we share behind-the-scenes tidbits and personal reflections on how this adventure saga fired up our own dreams of discovery and shaped our love for storytelling.
Harrison Ford's portrayal of Indiana Jones wasn't just the birth of a cinematic icon; it was a masterclass in improvisation and heroism against the backdrop of historical intrigue. We'll discuss the cleverly woven historical threads and Indy's global escapades, revealing how these elements grounded the film's fantastical narrative in a reality that still resonates in popular culture. The chapter focusing on the adventure in Nepal showcases not only Indy's relentless pursuit of the Ark but also the complex relationship dynamics that elevate the story beyond mere action-adventure into a saga of personal growth and partnership.
Wrapping up, we dissect the potent symbolism of the Ark of the Covenant and its parallels with the quest for atomic power during World War II, while also celebrating the film's influence on today's pop culture — from theme park attractions to video games. From the fascinating musical connections to the touch of nostalgia offered by vintage commercials, this episode is a treasure trove of anecdotes and insights that honor one of cinema's greatest adventures. So, grab your fedora and join us as we pay tribute to the enduring legacy of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and the remarkable journey of Indiana Jones.
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Thanks for tuning in to the Vintage Cinema Review On this week's episode. We're covering from 1981, raiders of the Lost Ark.
Speaker 2:Ah, magic and mystery is part of its history, along with the secret of the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 3:That was good. I like what you did there. Yeah, steven Spielberg, george Lucas, harrison Ford classic.
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Speaker 3:Hey, this is dave matt and zap, and welcome to the vintage cinema review where, every week, we review some of our favorite films from the past hey, there ain't no late fees here silence is golden and be kind rewind it's dark down here. I can't really see him. I'm kind of lost yeah, like an arc.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, oh, that was a stretch, but it was a stretch, but it was a good one yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't even know how to put Raiders in I was trying to think of like a football team or uh, oakland, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a Las Vegas now, right? Las Vegas Raiders of uh been found?
Speaker 2:do we know? No, we'll find out. I guess it's. Uh, it's actually at the bottom of it's down like 200 feet on oak island the curse of oak island.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we're talking about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's down there someplace I thought it was with atlantis, the lost city.
Speaker 2:It might be so to be clear, today we're talking about raiders of the lost ark which is not to be called Well. So there's a caveat to that. Ooh, so at a previous podcast I had mentioned that the name of this movie is in fact Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's sequels are named Indiana Jones and the Temple of.
Speaker 1:Doom.
Speaker 2:Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Indiana Jones, this and Indiana Jones that I think it was during Rambo.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was the hang on.
Speaker 2:In fact the first rambo movie was actually just called first blood. So later, later in the 90s, when they had x number of movies now made that were identified by or as indiana jones, they renamed the movie for like box sets and stuff like that, they would prefix it often with indiana jones and the raiders of the lost ark, just to keep it consistent. But for clarity, when this was released and for decades thereafter, it was called raiders of the lost ark.
Speaker 1:It's like backtrack marketing.
Speaker 2:Yes, indeed it's rewriting history. It works, while they're doing it now in many different ways.
Speaker 1:So yeah, raiders of the Lost Ark, rated PG. This one was released June 12th, 1981, which I didn't realize. It was that old, I was kind of shocked 81?.
Speaker 3:Yeah, holy crap, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:This was directed by big names here Steven Spielberg, who Spielberg, who Spielberg?
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought you said Spungen.
Speaker 1:Spungen. Steve Spungen no, he catered it. Screenplay by Lawrence Kasdan, story by here's another big one George Lucas, and Philip Kaufman as well. Whoever that is, when you're next to George Lucas in the names, it's kind kind of hard to you get lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 3:For sure I'm saying 81, spielberg, lucas, so they were like 20 at this time.
Speaker 1:21, 22 they were probably older than that wow, so they're like 95 now.
Speaker 3:I don't know how old are them guys?
Speaker 1:that's crazy, I would say they're in their 70s now be my late 70s maybe the deep south yeah, but uh, this was produced by frank marshall. Very important on this one, a music by john williams, and we'll get in that later, I'm sure oh yeah, oh, we're gonna get into that one oh no, no doubt. Uh, production company on this was lucas film. No, no, shock, there he's involved. Uh, running time I don't know if I said in the beginning it was 115 minutes, nice, and budget on this $20 million.
Speaker 2:I hope they made it back, no way.
Speaker 1:I'm going to take a guess. Box office $389.9 million. God damn.
Speaker 3:Is that our highest gainer? I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, it's not, but it's for 1981.
Speaker 2:That's huge money. So to be clear, how? Much was that the juice was worth the squeeze on that $389.9.
Speaker 1:In 1981? Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's worth $9 billion today. Right.
Speaker 2:That's like $9 billion in Canadian dollars. Yeah, that's crazy. So I wonder if that was because there was a second release of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they released it again in theaters.
Speaker 2:In 82.
Speaker 1:of this, yeah, they they released it again in theaters in 82 in other countries because it was so did so.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what I mean they ended up delaying the release of the vhs right because of that, they said fuck it, you know. Hey, let's go for another round of this keep making them go back.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and they did. There were a lot of scenes in this I I know if I would have saw that. I want to go see that again sure, sure.
Speaker 1:Cool stuff that happened, but this was filmed began on June 23rd 1980. They started filming I didn't get an end date on that but I'm going to say it probably took quite a few months. Seemed like there was a lot going on in this, but filmed in France, tunisia and Hawaii and also in England. They had some sound stages and different things they worked on in England.
Speaker 2:I. They had some sound stages and different things they worked on in England.
Speaker 1:I know the opening scene was filmed in Hawaii. Yeah, yes, you're right, Because they actually went back then Spielberg to film Jurassic Park there Also true, yeah, same spot, which is pretty cool I don't know if it was
Speaker 2:the same spot it might have been.
Speaker 1:It could have been. Oh, fun fact. So they did film in Tunisia, like I said them in Tunisia, like I said.
Speaker 2:so they had to go in there and remove a bunch of the antennas off the buildings because of the time, to bring it back to look, make it look like it's in the 30s, because you know this was be Cairo was that night, cairo 1936 that's pretty much it for that fun stuff, so I'll turn it over to zap for the cast okay, the cast of Raiders of the Lost Ark includes, but is not limited to, harrison Ford as Indiana Jones, alfred Molina as Satipo, who was one of his jungle guides. Fred Sorensen as Jock Lindsay, that's the float plane pilot. Paul Freeman as Rene Belloc. Denholm Elliott as Marcus Brody. Don Fellows as US. Intelligent Agent, Colonel Musgrove. William Hootkins as US Intelligence Agent, Major Eaton Karen Allen as Marion Ravenwood.
Speaker 3:Ronald Lacey as SS Sturbenfuhrer Arnold Tote, Just to watch you say Sturman, fuhrer arnold tote just to watch your session of unfair that's the, that's the weird guy.
Speaker 2:Okay, the guy that you think is almost is he facey guy yes, yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha wolf collar as oberst herman dietrich, john rise davies as Sala and George Harris as Captain Simon Katanga.
Speaker 1:Nice, so that Karen Allen, she was in Animal House, correct. And also a movie I got to go back and watch because I remember everybody loved it A lot not just everybody, a lot of people Starman. I don't know if I'm sleeping on that or if-.
Speaker 2:I might be sleeping on that. I don't know if I've ever seen that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I or I might be sleeping on that. I don't know if I've ever seen that. Yeah, I remember like people saying how great it was and I don't think I liked it back then, but she was in that as well.
Speaker 2:So yeah, star man, that was um jeff bridges, right yes yeah I've never I. I don't think I've ever seen that movie it's funny you say, jeff bridges.
Speaker 3:I just watched um against all odds. Did anybody ever see that movie? Oh, that's a good one yeah yeah, I I've never seen it and it it kept coming up on something you should watch on my Netflix, so I watched it the other day. It's actually a great movie.
Speaker 1:Good soundtrack? Yes, was it Phil Collins?
Speaker 2:It was an incredible song by Phil Collins, incredible.
Speaker 3:But the song was made. Actually it was a book and I think it was a movie. And then there was another movie and that was Against All Odds, but yeah, he was asked to do a song for it. I mean, it was a great movie, Jeff Bridges, talented.
Speaker 1:Speaking of Bridges, I guess we'll take the bridge over to Matt's synapses.
Speaker 3:Take it to the bridge. Yeah, all right, raiders of the Lost Ark. I had to put on my reading glasses for this.
Speaker 1:I like it. Yes, thank you. It's studious.
Speaker 3:Thank you. This is it, harrison Ford and filmmakers Steven Spielberg. In the first Indiana Jones movie, they set a whirlwind tone for Indy's adventures to come. Here you'll find archaeologist Jones up to his neck in danger and Snake Alive up to his kneecaps in squirming reptiles. Indy hates snakes. He hates Nazis too, and he'll stop at nothing to keep those goose-stepping goons from obtaining a mystical Ark of the Covenant. Hang on and enjoy the most incredible series of action and stunt set pieces I've ever seen in a movie Roger Ebert.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you like something. It's about time.
Speaker 3:This is Raiders of the Lost Ark. Yeah, that's one of the. That's a good little synopsis. It's short and sweet. Yeah, that is, it's good.
Speaker 2:I really think only the middle of that was the synopsis is it's good. I really think only the middle of that was the synopsis yeah, the rest of it was kind of like ass kissing. Yeah, the rest of it was fluff. They dropped three popular names.
Speaker 3:They dropped george lucas, steven spielberg and then they roger ebert I don't like how they say indy hates snakes, because that takes away from like the whole series. Like you should watch the movie before you know that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah I like when they put on their like academy award nominee. I saw something it was like on mad tv or one of those funny ones. They're like academy award attendee that person's name.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, somebody's arm candy or he stole a ticket yeah you know, what's funny about this is when I was watching this and I gotta give us a chance to guess okay, I don't know that. What's funny about? This no, but um watching this, thinking how old we were in 19. How do we all know this movie from growing up?
Speaker 1:we saw it later, yeah yeah, we did.
Speaker 3:But I'm saying like, when did it just?
Speaker 1:I was talking to zap about that before when you were walking down okay so my guess is uh, like temple, the temple of doom was next right, and that was what 84.
Speaker 3:So let's just say that was the one with next right and that was what 84? Yep, so let's just say that was the one with Dr Jones. Yeah, yeah, I remember that one.
Speaker 1:So maybe in 85, 86, we're watching that and like, oh, there's a one before this, and then you go back and watch Raider. There's no way I watched this First, no way, and I'm with you.
Speaker 2:I had that same thought. First one I would have seen at best, at best would have been Temple of Doom, but that would have been well after it was in the theaters. Now, I remember when it was in the theaters, man, I remember that, the commercials and trading cards and like video, like Pitfall, pitfall exactly that was. That was a thing because of Indiana Jones, like people were really hyped on Indiana.
Speaker 1:Jones. They made that game then off of.
Speaker 3:I think, inspired it or whatever that's right it's pretty much the same, yeah, especially with the uh, like when you don't do, do, do, do, do, do that part is swinging on the vine.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't have seen in. I wouldn't have seen this movie rares, the lost ark, until late 80s and it might have been like right before or right around when last crusade came out oh, wow, okay now, when we were growing up, did they play these movies like they do today?
Speaker 3:no, but didn't they have like a theater, like a sunday morning? I know we had kung fu theater, but was there any like? Did they play movies?
Speaker 2:I cut you off too early, matt. I was thinking, I'm thinking in today, where they play these things in such constant rotation all the time but remember there's like a big like sund Sunday night movies or something like that.
Speaker 3:I don't know Is that where I seen it?
Speaker 1:Because I don't know if I rented it or not.
Speaker 3:But I just remember this movie vividly.
Speaker 1:I know it was on in 88 in Canada, for sure.
Speaker 3:Sure, oh, we'll get into that. Incredible, for damn sure that was a trip down memory lane. Just made me smile.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks to Zap for that. Yeah that was awesome.
Speaker 2:Do we want to talk about that now, or do we want to talk about that later?
Speaker 1:We can talk about it as we go through the movie. So just Zap sent us somehow he got his hands on, we'll just say this a 1988 From TV copy of Raiders of the Lost Ark with commercials.
Speaker 3:Check six action.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that Check six action. It was something like that. Check six action it was like a can in Canada.
Speaker 2:It is available on your internets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can find it, yep. So Zab was able to track it down and, and uh, you watch his movie.
Speaker 3:Somebody taped it on the VHS tape and with the tracking, tracking issues and everything yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, one of the first commercials that came commercial. I thought that was pretty funny hell yeah, paul logan yeah, dude, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't think anybody knows who crocodile dundee is. Yeah, out there, but it was a whole movie series.
Speaker 1:It was great I was laughing, though, at the tagline in canada. I don't know if it's different there, but ours was always australian for beer, correct, yeah?
Speaker 2:and up there they were saying golden throat charmer yeah, I don't know what that is some nicknames yeah that's when it gets lost in translation from english, from american english, to canadian it's like faustus golden throat chama and I was like what the australian for beer right, yeah, but that kind of kicked it off.
Speaker 1:So, speaking of that, while we start going through this movie, hell yeah let's do that all right.
Speaker 2:Well, after a trek through the jungles of peru and an attempt on his life by one of his hired hands, we meet Indiana Jones, professor, archaeologist and treasure hunter, making his way into a hidden temple and skillfully making his way past lethal booby traps. Indiana recovers a long-sought-after golden idol, barely escaping with his life and the idol. He's met by a tribe of jovitos led there by his arrival and fellow archaeologist renee bellock. Stripped of his prize and now running for his life, indiana yet again narrowly escapes death thanks to a waiting float plane yeah, so the guy that was flying the plane had a yankees hat on yep, correct yep.
Speaker 1:So I was wondering about this. So he had a snake, so there was a snake up front and he said pet snake reggie reggie. Do you think he named the snake after reggie jackson? Yeah, it makes sense yeah, I was wondering about that indy, that was the dog's name. Different movie yeah, oh, damn it god but, uh, this opening scene too is very, very like. It gets you right in in the movie, right do right into it.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is I remember reading stuff about uh, george lucas wanted to do this because he had seen basically like b-level movies, adventure movies like this, when he was a kid and he wanted to make one. So he made this and you, I mean you do you dive right in, like there's no story development, there's no nothing. Like you're right into adventure land with this. I mean, how cool is that when this guy's like you know, you see these booby traps sliding back and forth, he sees the one, the other archaeologist his body is dead because he was, you know hit by stuck there with the arrows through his head that was awesome.
Speaker 2:that's amazing I mean the, the classic that that scene of the, the idol swapping with the sandbag. He lifts off the idol and he puts the sandbag on its place, the forever eternal scene of being chased by the boulder. That's right up in the beginning. Fun fact, this was the big screen debut for Alfred Molina.
Speaker 1:The guy who died right in the beginning.
Speaker 2:The guy who died right in the beginning, one of his guides through the jungle, alfred Mol molina. If you're not familiar, at least I am familiar with his role as dr octopus in spider-man yes, okay, yeah, I recognize him now he was the bad bishop in uh the da vinci code but you're saying 1981 spielberg movie.
Speaker 3:This is still going on. They still reenact this today at Disney.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's packed yeah.
Speaker 3:We just went there a couple of years ago and it's still packed. They still do the scenes with, with, you know, indy running down the ball rolling or the boulder, yeah, and the um, the fight scene, with the planes working into later. But that's how I like iconic this thing. Is it iconic this thing is?
Speaker 2:It's timeless. It is, it is absolutely timeless.
Speaker 1:And it reminded me too. You said about Pitfall, which I didn't even think about that game, but it had me thinking about video games like Tomb Raider, I would think was a game that was probably inspired by this.
Speaker 3:I thought that was based on Angelina Jolie Well she's in it.
Speaker 1:She's in the game.
Speaker 3:Oh, she's in the movie. Oh, I'm so confused. Laura Croft is the character, for sure.
Speaker 1:Those adventure games where you're searching for a treasure.
Speaker 3:Laura Croft is every young man's dream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she is. But also watching this now as an adult I have an appreciation for archaeological finds and different things like that and these hidden treasures and there's people that talk about. I listen to Joe Rogan a lot. He'll have guys on that talk about lost civilizations in these jungles that are buried under all kinds of you basically can't. You'd have to do radar to find these underground temples and stuff like that. So the whole excitement of maybe finding something that's been lost for-.
Speaker 3:Yeah, fake news.
Speaker 2:I'm sure, when we were kids how many archeologists does anybody know? We all wanted to go and find some magical place in the jungle, like we all did that was just so cool to go do that. I'm sure we we all had our own little adventures in the woods or some shit where it's like, oh man, I want to.
Speaker 1:You just had indiana jones on the mind I wonder what that piece was worth, that he found that little gold one I wonder it was worth a lot to the jovitos, true see that that's what I don't know.
Speaker 3:I just found watching this movie again. I was like how do I know this movie so well? And I was trying to think how many times I watched it.
Speaker 3:I was like I don't think I watched it that many times, but I knew the whole movie you think from the disney thing, because you were just I don't, I don't know, it's just like you know it so well, you know, like how many times have I, even like you know, the ending scenes and the scenes and the, the snakes, and everything is like how do I know it? When did I see it?
Speaker 2:yeah that's one thing I like about these, these reviews, because you think back and it's like I don't, I don't really even know, but this movie is so good, you just know you retain it yeah even like with the shots, like I was like how, like I remember this so well with and yeah, just great movie it is now back at campus, professor jones meets with two men involved in us intelligence who consult him to gain an understanding of any correlation between the terms. Nazis, tanis and the staff of raw. Indiana and his associate, marcus brody are swift to deduce that hitler is searching for the Ark of the Covenant, the vessel in which the original stone tablets of the Ten Commandments are kept. In order to find the Ark, one must use the headpiece to the staff of Ra. The last one known to have the headpiece was Dr Abner Ravenwood, indiana's mentor, who since moved to Nepal with his daughter, marion Welliana is now off to nepal and he's being followed yeah, this is well.
Speaker 1:Watching this now as an adult like I, I'm way into like history podcast talking about world war ii and world war one and just in general history, and I never really knew back then that that's true stuff that the nazis really were looking for.
Speaker 2:Hitler was absolutely obsessed with the occult stuff, with all that yeah, with with religious artifacts, like he wanted to find it all. I think in his mind he knew it was a source of power to control people like if you could. If you had something that they worshiped and idolized, you would have their idolization.
Speaker 3:See, zap hit that on the head because people were like, oh, he wanted that, because he wanted to be like thinking what he thought he was god and he wanted to be like he would be holy if he found it. No, he wanted to be able to control people like I have this and I'm holding this and look what I have, and people be like, oh my god look it's.
Speaker 2:It's actually shown or illustrated very well in this movie. So in the very beginning scenes that we had talked about, when when uh belloc steals that idol away from indiana jones and he holds it up and all the people, yeah, they immediately fall to their knees. Same concept, with hitler wanting all of this stuff, which is again not just in this movie. That is an actual, factual thing.
Speaker 1:Hitler was obsessed with this shit yeah, and I just I mean, I'm sure I heard that maybe in history class years ago, but listening recently to a couple podcasts and all that was true he would send guys, yeah, the ss went across europe and they would take paintings they had and they had actual bunkers like where they had all this stuff stashed, anything they could find that had value, like that.
Speaker 1:So that was cool to see that it's actually watching it now. Knowing a little history with that, it was cool to watch dave, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:There has been so many history channel shows and specials and spectaculars on all of this, and then some I mean it's now since this movie has come out we've been obviously inundated with all this stuff.
Speaker 1:But back then when, when they're talking about this up, there's just a mystique to it, like a serious mystique, like I didn't know what the hell the arc of the covenant was yeah when I'm you know, I'm 10 years old or whatever when I first see this movie, in 88 or 87 or whatever, how it might have been but I was going to ask you, like back then, though you like the 10 commandments, at least you would have known, or at least I'm I'm sure we would have heard about that being in a catholic school or the religion class.
Speaker 2:But the whole other aspect of it, yeah, that it was in a so we've talked about this before grown-up catholic, you're not necessarily reading the bible. Like evangelical christians you're doing more. Catholicism is certainly more process and procedure and church dogma as opposed to reading the bible. So the mention of the ark to be clear, everybody knew of the ten commandments. Everybody knew the ten commandments, but the ark you're probably thinking of the boat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, catholics, yeah, holds them we're thinking of Noah's Ark.
Speaker 1:Right, right right.
Speaker 2:In fact, you had to ask older kids or older people or somebody who wasn't Catholic what the hell is the Ark of the Covenant? You ultimately would find out. It's featured and described in great detail in the Book of Exodus.
Speaker 1:I thought it was where the nuns lived.
Speaker 2:In the Ark the Covenant. Oh, that's right. Yeah, they live in the book of exodus. I thought it was where the nuns lived in the ark the covenant.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's right yeah, they, they live in the covenant.
Speaker 1:I thought you said like they took two of each nuns and like led them to something, and then yeah, that was good no but that's a good play on words convent, that's the convent, yeah but I mean, in my young mind I might have been confused, but you're right, I guess I wouldn't have known ark of the covenant and what, what all that was. But the only the only thing they would have said in any of that opening scene or not opening scene, but that second scene I guess would be 10 commandments.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Would have registered with me like oh 10 commandments.
Speaker 2:So, but that's us coming up Catholic Right now. Conversely, again, evangelical Christians might've known that, just because they are the old, uh, the anyone who, anyone who would have known this when they were our age would have been, uh, uh, Jewish kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean because old Testament, that's that.
Speaker 2:I mean hell, even Moses even in uh on, on at Sabbath, at at any synagogue you're, you're going to see it every every Sabbath, when they're, when they have their again, when they have their their Sabbath, when they read the scrolls of the of the Torah, it's right in a, in a vessel that's made to look very much like that.
Speaker 2:Wow, oh well anyway not my, I don't know enough about it. I wish I did. Yeah All. Indiana finds Viva Nepal. There we go. Indiana finds Marion, who's now a bar owner. He also finds that his mentor, Abner Ravenwood, is dead. Marion has the headpiece to the staff of RA, but Indiana isn't the only one looking for it. The man who'd been following him is a Gestapo agent named Arnold Tote, who has no problem torturing Marion for answers and ultimately sets her establishment on fire. Indiana returns to save both Marion and the headpiece, but not before Tote unwittingly burns an image of it into his hand while trying to collect it from the flames. Indiana and Marion make their way to Egypt to find the Ark.
Speaker 1:So this is about time they would have broke for a commercial. There was two of them on there. I was laughing at O Henry.
Speaker 3:The O Henry at oh henry, the candy bars. Yeah, who has that? Who's that made by?
Speaker 1:it's not snickers or mounds or hershey's well, that's another thing we'll get into a later commercial I wanted to ask you guys about well, maybe at the front or, uh, do the mailbag on it. But the other one was I never heard of this rub a535.
Speaker 3:It was like a it's a like a bengay, like a sports cream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rub a 535 for your sore, you know muscles or anything. I guess this is 88. I guess it was out in canada.
Speaker 2:It was a different time up in canada.
Speaker 3:A lot of hockey players use that.
Speaker 2:That was big money so meanwhile, back to the movies what we did just cover was. So we saw the, the infamous shot contest, where that was a cool skinny little broad is going up against this huge, massive fat dude. She got Thomas and how many shots and she crushed him, absolutely crushed him.
Speaker 3:Actually, we had one of those we did In high school.
Speaker 2:Was that sophomore year? Might have been junior.
Speaker 1:Shot contest yeah.
Speaker 2:Might have been.
Speaker 1:Either way, did way. I don't think you were there.
Speaker 3:I wasn't participating, I know that but I might have been there, was it at grandma's house.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was at grandma's house there was actually in grandma's table.
Speaker 3:There is. There is remnants of burnt whatever archaeologists are digging that up.
Speaker 2:Yes, on on the wood on her table it's entirely likely I think uh despite the fact that the house has since been sold and I'm sure all of the furniture has since been burned or thrown away. Wait, that house is sold, okay.
Speaker 3:Meanwhile. Back to the movie. Back to the movie. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:So we find that there was actually Indiana Jones had a falling out with Ravenwood her father. It's not mentioned in the movie, but Indiana deflowered his daughter when she was just a teenager.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, they cut that part out. Yeah, I heard they rewrote and made her older. There's whatever.
Speaker 2:I mean there's extended yeah, there's extended dialogue in this that could have, would have, should have been there. That was that ended up being cut out. Um, what's his name? But it's either spielberg or lucas it was. I think it was spielberg talking lucas off the cliff. That was like luck man, we I get you your ideas of what you want this guy, but he can't be this international playboy. We definitely don't want to mention that. He's banging a pre-teenager, so let's just cut that part out.
Speaker 1:I know we probably won't end up doing any other movies, so I'll ask about it now because it's not like we're going to cover it in the future. But the Sean Connery character later on is that Indy's dad or her dad?
Speaker 2:Indiana later on. Is that indy's dad or her dad indiana's? That's indy's dad, okay? Okay, because again, it is in this movie that he had a falling out with abner ravenwood because he had, because whatever, uh, he messed around with marion. But in this particular scene here, right before the nazis show up to burn her place down, he says where's abner?
Speaker 2:and he said she says abner's dead oh so he died, okay, yeah, yeah, all right, I got you that part, part of the cut that made to the theater is that we are all familiar with was removed, and in fact she mentions that he died in an avalanche climbing Mount Everest. Because they are in Nepal, right?
Speaker 3:Viva, nepal Viva.
Speaker 2:Nepal. This so far, if I'm correct. This this so far, if I'm correct. This is the first time we hear the sound of punches I know we've, I'm saying like Indy's punches.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:With fists. So we've talked about this on the podcast that there is no other stronger, more robust sound of a fist hitting a face than when Indiana Jones throws a punch Punch through the face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the sound effects were over the top.
Speaker 2:Speaking of which, the sound effects, the fun fact and I hope if you have it you can by all means cut it out, but fun fact the sound of body blows in. This was done by, again, the sound of a fist hitting a body. In this movie was done by stacking up piles of leather jackets.
Speaker 1:And pounding them.
Speaker 2:Pounding them with a wooden baseball bat.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:That's why such the hardcore like smack, whatever sound. That is another classic textbook indiana jones thing we first see in this. The scene that just ended is the map and uh flight scene where you see like the line going across the map and shit like that which has become textbook classic. You know it's their indiana jones movie thing, but this is the first time we see that yeah, it probably saved them money instead of filming like planes taking off, sure they don't really do that like too many other.
Speaker 2:Like you said, as purely like a strictly like an indiana jones thing where you like the drawings, like going from here to here, yeah, I think if anybody else and that's right, I think if you, if anybody else, were to use that, they would immediately say dude, come on, that's Indiana Jones, you can't do that.
Speaker 1:Can't rip it off like that, oh wow.
Speaker 2:Well now in Cairo, indiana enlists the help of his friend and local excavator, sala. As it happens, belluck and the Germans are already in hot pursuit of the Well of Souls, which is the last known location of the Ark, and they've fashioned their own headpiece to the staff of Ra using the burn marks from Tote's hand, unknown to the Germans. However, they're digging in the wrong place. There was additional information located on the back of the headpiece that wasn't obtained from the burn, as well as measurements for the staff of Ra. In a scuffle with the locals, marion is captured and killed in an explosion.
Speaker 3:Throwing caution to the wind, indiana and salah are off to find the ark why in all these movies, like when, whenever there's like some sort of like holy thing or something to find, it's not like on third and oak, nope, it's always called something like well of souls or it's always somewhere like that body of evidence right kind of weird shit for body of evidence.
Speaker 1:Amen yeah, that, uh, that scene it happened during this part of the movie where he was fighting everybody in the city and the one guy pulls out a sword and he's doing all those like crazy moves and indy just pulls out a gun and shoots him. Yeah, so that was. Everybody was sick on set. They all had dysentery from eating.
Speaker 2:That means the RZA.
Speaker 1:I wonder if it was from bad dates it might've been, but Harrison Ford wasn't feeling well that day and he improvised. He's like what if I just shoot him instead of doing all? The action scenes that are like well, go with it, do it.
Speaker 2:And they let him do it and it worked actually it was like one of the most memorable iconic parts of the movie.
Speaker 2:It's classic, it's just, it's it's comedy, yeah it's great in fact, I think I read something about that too where he was, so he was using whips that were anywhere from six feet to 16 feet long, and the scene was supposed to have been him standing that far away trying to whip the sword out of the guy's hand. And again, this guy's sick with dysentery, whatever. And he just tried and tried and tried and couldn't do it, and that's when he had said what you had mentioned, jesus. You know, can I just shoot this guy?
Speaker 3:Yeah. We just get it over with you. Don't want to spread the dysentery all over the set. No, it's nasty.
Speaker 1:There's also a scene in Buddy Juice. You know Juice from Pucks with Pros. He loves this movie. I told him we're doing it and he said there's a scene at the very beginning where if you pause it, you can see that the whip. There is no whip in his hand, but there's the whip sound.
Speaker 3:Is that where he hits the guy?
Speaker 1:with the, the very beginning, I think, from when he was fighting the locals no, no, no, the very very before he gets on the uh, the plane in the water and takes off. Yeah, the natives are there and all that. I think it's from in that part of the movie oh, okay there's a scene where you hear him with the whip sound but there's nothing in his hand. You gotta pause it. I guess I couldn't find it juice.
Speaker 3:Let us know, like what, what it is in the minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah here's another fun fact. He told me his his friends love this movie so much, him and his friends, that they would record the audio and play the audio in their car or, like when they drove around, just the audio of the movie, so they could have their own little book on tape.
Speaker 2:Basically that's awesome yeah, who are you?
Speaker 1:yeah, right, that's cool man, that's cool, that is cool.
Speaker 2:I did not like the little monkey in this segment no that monkey was a piece of shit, he was a stool pigeon. He was a spy.
Speaker 3:He was a monkey spy oh, fun fact, like I thought this movie was where they ate the monkey brains. But that was the second one. That's correct, because remember you guys, remember faces of death yes, and we all thought it was real, we were growing up, but it was completely just bullshit.
Speaker 1:Some of them were.
Speaker 3:No, no, because they showed somebody getting electrocuted and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some of them are real, though, really yeah, faces of Death. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:But anyway, I thought the monkey scene was in this, but it's not, you've got to watch the second one.
Speaker 2:Okay, go back to this one. Using a correctly sized makeshift staff of raw and the headpiece, indiana locates the arc. Lo and behold, marion isn't dead after all. Indiana finds her in captivity and convinces her to remain, while he and Salah retrieve the arc, digging all day and into the night. Indiana and Salah obtain the arc and just as they lift it from its desert tomb, belloc and his henchmen are there once again to take what Indiana has found. Marion and Indiana are left for dead in the buried temple, but after some clever maneuvering and wall collapsing, they find their way out. They locate the Ark's whereabouts at the German's airstrip and, after a tense fight scene and explosions everywhere, the arc is transported away by land instead of air. In a daring testimonial to indiana jones's awesomeness, he hijacks the truck carrying the arc and returns to marion and salah in cairo yeah, that was some scene there with the truck when he goes underneath, and is that that's?
Speaker 2:that's absolutely this one, absolutely.
Speaker 1:The guy shoots him in the arm and then, dude, he's not letting that arc go, man, he's not.
Speaker 2:The airstrip fight was pretty amazing that was cool too, yeah. The gas trucks and Marion stuck in the thing. He's fighting the bald dude and the bald dude just keeps beating him and beating him until the bald dude gets hit with the blades. Yeah, in.
Speaker 3:Disney, dude and the ball dude just keeps beating him and beating him until the bald dude gets hit with the blades again.
Speaker 1:Uh, disney, yeah, that's the whole thing too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Um, oh, this is where we find out that indiana jones is afraid of snakes yes, and some of those snakes in there, they said, if you look closely, some of them were like lizards, some of them were like they weren't even real I mean they're.
Speaker 3:I think they said like 10000 reptiles were used for that.
Speaker 2:So hilarious Salah says to Indiana Jones Ooh, asps, very dangerous, you go first.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 3:Soup, salah and breadsticks.
Speaker 1:That one cobra. I'm sure it's film magic or whatever, when he's like operating his face man. I'd be no way. What's his name? The magician David Blaine.
Speaker 1:He's some like somewhere training now like with these guys to uh escape the charmers, oh, okay to uh with king cobras and stuff and they have the actual um, anti-venom on on site in case it gets, just in case wow but like, like, I'm just thinking about that with these snakes and stuff, even in these movies, I mean, I'm sure they use like camera effects to like keep you out of danger, but I know one of those king cobras killed a python, correct? They said during filming that is correct there were definitely real snakes in there dude.
Speaker 2:So here's a real snake story for that, for since in this scene, so some of the handlers or whatever cameramen are there and you get used, or you're taught to get used to these snakes, right, like dude, you're going to be around these guys for a while and they can sense it the snakes sense your fear, your fear, absolutely so. This one dude, this one camera guy, got bit by a snake, this python or whatever kind of snake hung on to him.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Like would not let go and the guys you don't want to mess around with. So this guy just calmly says to somebody else or whoever's around could somebody please grab the other end of the snake and pretend it's a whip? Just whip from the end of the snake's tail all the way to its head Shit, and that happened. The snake released and the snake.
Speaker 1:That was that. That was that Wow.
Speaker 2:That is a fun fact.
Speaker 1:That is those ones, though. That is those ones, though they'll bite you, I guess, but they're not poisonous like that, it's just more of the pain, like pythons, right, they'll wrap around you.
Speaker 2:That python is a wrapper.
Speaker 1:But they can bite too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but the python, when they bite you, their teeth are like this, so you can't pull your arm out because their teeth go backwards.
Speaker 2:So that's why, once they have you bit, they hold on.
Speaker 1:Oh they're like fish hooks, yes, like fish hooks, they go.
Speaker 3:So you can't pull your arm or whatever, like an animal can't get out by backing out, because then you just get deeper into their thing. So they say they can cause like really bad lacerations, laceration.
Speaker 2:That's a cut for anybody out there. I thought finding the ark when him and Salah found the ark and they're lifting out like that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:That was a good scene.
Speaker 2:If you're a kid watching this scene, or if you're anybody watching this scene like you see this massive glow and all this amazingness of this Ark coming out, even despite the fakeness of them lifting off what was, I'm sure, a styrofoam lid to that big cement box in which the Ark was kept, with the anticipation of what's inside what's it look like? Yeah, what's in the ark. What's in the ark?
Speaker 3:Well, the picture of that. I think that wasn't that in the Bible, the actual.
Speaker 1:I think they mimicked it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I mean. It was an actual.
Speaker 2:They modeled it, I should say after the description Full description of the Ark listed in great detail in the book of Exodus I think it's Exodus, chapter 20, something, something you will hear all dimensions by cubits as to how big the Ark is and what it looks like, and all that good shit. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 2:Well now, aboard a steamship, Indiana and Marion are headed to London with the Ark in tow. Those Nazis don't give up that easily, though, as the boat is intercepted by a German submarine the next day. Marion and the Ark are taken aboard the submarine, while Indiana, whom the Germans think is dead, no-transcript. The sub is heading for an island where Belak intends to wield the power of the Ark for himself. Arriving on the island, and trailing the Germans, jones reveals himself and threatens to destroy the Ark with a rocket launcher. Belak knows Jones better than he knows himself, and reminds him that he would never destroy such a historical item. Indiana is taken prisoner and is soon to witness what the Ark has in store.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that German U-boat they actually stole that from. They were filming the movie Das Boot.
Speaker 2:Really yeah Das.
Speaker 1:Boot. Yeah, they went over from you know, stole one of their props Can we steal your prop?
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:The thing is, I don't know if they didn't relay it and they were like where's our boat? And they were like where's our boat and they're over there filming. You know, in Raiders of the Lost Ark they were using it that day over there. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:So they were trying to film and they're like, where did it go?
Speaker 1:Well, I guess they went looking for it, like where'd our boat go? Somebody stole our boat, our U-boat. That was submarines, correct yeah.
Speaker 2:So this is actually the third. This now marks the third scene where we see a map with a red line going on it. So the first one, the first two were with flights, now this is the third one. This is with a boat. Kind of neat Fun fact, if you didn't notice that Captain oh crap, what's his name? Captain Katanga, the black captain of the, the basically they're pirates. They're not pirates, they're merchants. But they're they're on demand shippers, right, they? They never have like a schedule, they just sit there in the docks waiting for illegal shit to be. Hey look, man, I got this thing that I gotta send from here to wherever. Can you take care of it?
Speaker 2:sure, man, I'll do it right so that's what their trade was anyway ubers of the sea. Correct the ubers of the sea. So if you guys watch harry potter, okay. So in order of the phoenix and then in deathly hallows, one and two. Uh, there's the one black guy who's friends with everybody, friends of the good guy. Uh, that's a kingsley shacklebolt. That's the same. That's the captain.
Speaker 1:That's the captain oh, same person, yeah, same person, wow so he was acting a long, long time ago.
Speaker 2:He's been around and he's definitely been around that.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, george harris, he's been acting a long, long time nice, I think maybe uh indy got lucky that night on the boat. Were they kind of insinuating that?
Speaker 2:marion yeah, oh yeah, she's all grown up now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's looking good on the boat.
Speaker 3:I think he got to like second base.
Speaker 1:When they had her out on the. Yeah, maybe got to second base.
Speaker 2:Yeah, by now she's wearing that white gown with the whatever.
Speaker 1:The way he gets through those tunnels and all that. I don't think he fails on any mission. I don't know. I'd be surprised, but I'm looking at him up on the. I'm sorry, looking at him, looking at her. It's okay, dude he's hot.
Speaker 2:Is this your coming out episode?
Speaker 1:it is okay when they were up on the it's Indy, it's Indiana Jones, yeah when they were on the up on the deck of the boat and she had that white like gown the wind was blowing, you could make everything out. That's an evening gown. The wind was blowing, you could make everything out, that's an evening gown.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was looking good he stays with her through all these years hell yeah, yeah, well she's in the last one, yeah, all wrinkly and she wasn't that? Yeah, is that ai did, they do them an ai in that or no?
Speaker 2:yeah, oh god, yes, there's a shit ton of ai in that, a shit ton, uh. Oh yeah, I'd like the part where I mean the the again. Captain katang is like look man, I'll protect you when you and I'll protect you chick. And so he's like look man, you can have the boat, you can have the ark, but let us have the chick yeah like that was.
Speaker 2:I mean it was neat, but it was neat the way he did it, in so far as, look, we can sell her, as you know, a slave, as as a prostitute we'll make more money off of her, you know, at least you know a little something for the effort.
Speaker 3:Right, Just something we can sell her. We get some money off of that.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what he said Essentially, I mean this this chick, he's a, you know.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, everybody wanted, uh, marion.
Speaker 1:She's the art.
Speaker 3:She gets the she's got the arc yeah, she carries she carries the tablets. He said he opened it up. Oh, ghost popping out.
Speaker 2:God damn, you need a washcloth. All right, here we are. Uh, let's see, arc has in store. The ceremony commences and when the Ark is finally opened, only sand is found, bummer. But within moments, however, countless spirits appear and surround all onlookers, all but Indiana and Marion, who are keeping their eyes closed in order to avoid witnessing the Ark's power. Bolts of energy from the Ark kill the mass of Nazi soldiers, totes, face and skin melt away and Belloc explodes. Indiana and Marion open their eyes to find that all in attendance have vanished, lifted away into the night sky, and the Ark has since been resealed. Now in Washington DC, indiana is rewarded by the US government for retrieving the Ark. Despite his protests and questions as to its current whereabouts, he's simply told that it's safe and is being studied by the country's top men. Our movie ends with the Ark of the Covenant being crated and stored in a nondescript location among countless other crates that was a cool part.
Speaker 3:I always liked that part at the very you talked about the very, very end, where they just push it in these big warehouses warehouses where they have stuff that we don't even know about yet you don't even know dude, that's where they have aliens and stuff.
Speaker 2:dude. I remember being a kid and watching that and like so I've talked about before. So I grew up with, like this group of kids, like that we might as well have been the same kids from Stranger Things, Right? So I grew up with this group of kids and we would watch this movie and then just for hours we would just sit there talking like, oh well, what else is there?
Speaker 1:What is there? What else is?
Speaker 2:in there and somebody, of course. Oh well, it's not there. You don't know shit. My dad's stronger than your dad, that's right, my god's stronger than your god.
Speaker 1:I mean that was cool. And then the iconic scene is the face melting. I mean that's the one that I remember for damn sure that's the one see that's.
Speaker 3:That's the shit that pisses me off about these movies. How do we remember that? How is that ingrained in our minds?
Speaker 2:I mean, that's a special hard like I don't get it. What? Well prior to that, when did you see a face melting off a guy after a really cool?
Speaker 3:movie exactly. But I'm just saying when, when I'm, I try to go back on some of these movies and like where was I? What was I doing? Did I see them in my basement? Was I upstairs? Like did I? How do I know these scenes? Was I at a friend's house? But you know it like was it just? I think it's like big media man. So it's interesting, it's big media.
Speaker 2:If temple of doom was rated pg-13, primarily because of the scene where the guy reached in and took his heart out right violence when he's beating in front of him, when he's that's right. When he's strapped to the mat, basically the equivalent of a box spring and the the high priest reaches in and pulls his heart on, it's beaten in front of him. Yet in this movie a guy's face melts off. There was no.
Speaker 3:PG-13 in 81.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is like Poltergeist. Yeah, this is.
Speaker 3:P-G-R-X.
Speaker 2:I think that's all they had. So was Poltergeist PG or R.
Speaker 1:It was PG.
Speaker 2:Okay, I mean, I know we did it, I just can't remember.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, but like that. This is one of those movies in early eighties.
Speaker 2:It was just like I guess it depends on the Raider you get at the time Raider.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that you get at the time Raider of the Lost Ark, that's right. I like that. Raider of the Lost Ark, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's the Raider of the Raider.
Speaker 1:Raider. But yeah, it's got a PG rating and in your head and that's the part that I remembered all the other stuff. Now I have the box set of this movie so I watched it maybe seven or eight years ago and just watched it again, but before that that's the only part I really would have remembered from Indiana Jones that and the, probably that, and just like the parts with him, like you know, with the whip, and that I would have stuck out in my head like what he was wearing and that. But I want to probably remember specific parts, like just the Nazi stuff and then that I remember that part of the movie. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean dude, it was amazing.
Speaker 3:Absolutely amazing. I remember, like the Boulder, the face melding. I remember like the uh, the scene on the. The trucks were, like you know, from the mountains and stuff and he had the I don't know I. I remembered so much of this movie but I was like when was the last time I've actually sat down and watched this?
Speaker 1:I don't know question, I just know the whole movie question for you guys and maybe this is just like way out there even thinking this, but thinking about symbolism in a movie and I was thinking about like they made reference to this arc being powerful enough to level mountains and take down whoever. Whatever army would have, this would basically control the world and it got me thinking about like an atomic weapon and almost like the symbolism there of the arc being kind of like an atomic bomb.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:And the U? S basically saying we need to get that before they get it and have it and then tuck it away, and you know which they didn't, which they didn't, which we didn't. But it got me to thinking about that symbolism, Like maybe you could look at it that way the Germans didn't succeed in, you know, in the real world, in world war two, um, to get that. But that's what they were going after.
Speaker 3:So the Ark of the Covenant is basically Opp Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1:It's like an atomic bomb. Think of it that way. Whatever army has that.
Speaker 3:If you open it up, people are like let me see what's going on. Your face is all melting.
Speaker 2:Let me check out that sand. Oh shit, it's so hot it just melted, but the timeline matches up.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, which if they would have got an atomic bomb before us, they would have won. It would have been bad.
Speaker 2:Some shit they would have won.
Speaker 1:It would have been uh man in the high castle if you guys haven't seen that series, I wanted to see that. Watch that series. That's where japan and germany like split us in half.
Speaker 3:Right, you know, that's what would have happened if the, if they won, if the axis won yeah it would have been crazy how many seasons of that were there, oh christ man in the high castle yeah, because I I've seen a car like I'm still. I'm still behind on that. That was a great that was a great series.
Speaker 2:I want to say anywhere between three and five okay hmm.
Speaker 1:Well, you know that was some cool stuff about that, but I guess it's about time for fun facts.
Speaker 2:Love that even cooler stuff yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:This is a stuff I think people like yeah, just lead it off, zabaj your movies. I want you lead us off.
Speaker 2:Well, let's see, I already mentioned about the name changed in 2000 to Indiana Jones and the Raised and Lost Arc to enable consistency with the other films in the franchise and the show that they had had or other shows by then. Oh, fun fact, indiana Jones was originally named Indiana Smith I don't know about that. That's so American.
Speaker 1:I named indiana smith. I don't know about that, so american, I like it indiana smith.
Speaker 2:Is indiana a real first name? Is there anybody named that? The dog's name indy? Some dog is named indiana someplace that's it though I don't know. I have never heard of any.
Speaker 1:I've never met anyone named indiana, but I wonder after this after this were their kids named indiana or somebody named their kid raiders and then they got pissed when they changed it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1:Matt, you got any fun facts.
Speaker 3:Um, the iconic scene of the Boulder rolling down. I think it was a lot shorter when they filmed the movie the first time and they looked back on it and they were like this needs to be more dramatic. So they actually extended the ramp for the Boulder probably like 50 feet to make it, longer to make it longer to make it longer, so that whole scene. It was actually only like a 20 second scene and they extended it to make it pretty cool that's pretty wild I read something about that too, where he ended up having.
Speaker 2:They filmed it from two different angles, but they filmed it five times, which means per angle. So harrison ford ran that 10 times and he beat the boulder every time that's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm saying the boulder again.
Speaker 3:It's a styrofoam ball it could have killed him, maybe special effects? What do you got, dave?
Speaker 1:fun fact on this.
Speaker 2:So melissa matheson and spielberg uh wrote a script during the uh downtime when they were filming this, and that script went on to become et that was uh harrison ford's first wife, I think oh, was it okay, yeah I'm pretty sure that was his first wife yeah, so during that, during this, they were writing et fun fact, he's on his third wife us who is uh, harrison ford? Yep is this still?
Speaker 3:ali mcbeal or correct, it is ali he's been with her for a long time though he's keeping it real with ali mcbeal I've seen him on a show recently.
Speaker 1:It's on apple tv. It's called like what the hell is it called? I don't remember. They're like um psychiatrists or something like that. He's like he's getting up there. I mean he's got to be in his 70s now 76, 77. He's got to be close to 80 yeah, he's still good and I mean he's a good show, but it's uh. Yeah, but ali mcbeal is closer. All right, I would guess dude.
Speaker 2:I saw something about harrison ford a fun fact about him in the movies in which he's he's been.
Speaker 3:Those movies have earned close to 10 billion dollars. Damn the all together indiana jones and the fugitive right, well, star wars, god damn it, that's okay. And air force one and force one something, something else that's okay, and Air Force One Air.
Speaker 2:Force One. That was a bad Patriot game. Bad Patriot games, oh shit and Clear and Present Danger.
Speaker 3:Clear and Present Danger.
Speaker 1:Is there any movie of his that sucked?
Speaker 2:None that I can remember, unless, oh, working Girl. No, that didn't suck.
Speaker 3:No, Working Girl was a good movie.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but again, the movies in which he starred you sum them all together, they've made close to 10 billion dollars, big money. He's doors go like this, right doors go like this, for sure, speaking of indiana jones and, uh, harrison ford, prior to being harrison ford, indiana jones could have been tom, sell it, we'll get there. Bill murray, nick nolte, steve martin, chevy chase, jack nicholson, jeff Bridges, sam Elliott and finally, the closest one that was almost in fact, was Tom Selleck, who was initially cast but he had to back out due to Magnum PI.
Speaker 1:I could see that. Oh shit yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. He would have been just fine. He would have been perfect as Indiana Jones.
Speaker 3:Would he still have the stache though? Oh, hell, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2:He got to Hell yeah, Interestingly enough, Tom Selleck. So he was offered it and he was going to take it, but he could not take it because he was locked into doing Magnum PI. Fun fact point one there was a writer's strike right after he declined this movie, so they weren't filming magnum pi for the whole time that he could have otherwise been starring in this movie that's crazy yeah. So he basically said fuck, I can't.
Speaker 3:And then shit, I can, but now I can't uh, fun fact, indy's hat that we all know and love the hat it was. It was a newer hat that was bought, but they wanted to have that worn look, so I guess people on the set took turns like sitting on it, rubbing it stepping on it. That was the whole thing for like the whole movie it was kind of funny.
Speaker 3:They would just grab his hat and sit there, stand on it, sit on it beat the hell out of it to make it look like that Indy worn and he had that throughout all the movies.
Speaker 1:It was the same hat for each movie. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Fun fact, there are two hats featured in this movie, two Indiana Jones hats, and they're both the exact same style. One is a gray, dressy version that he wears, I think, when he arrives at college. When he's in school and stuff yeah it's again dressy it's gray, and then there, dressy it's gray, and then there, of course, is the one that we all know and love the, the leather worn one. But it's the same hat, same manufacturer, same model, same everything, just two different fabrics.
Speaker 1:So, uh, for the part of solid, they originally wanted Danny DeVito to play that noted he couldn't or so he thought couldn't do it because of bagged MPI. So that effect at the end, with the spirits coming out and all that, the way they they got to they shot that was they put mannequins underwater and and shot it in slow motion with like a fuzzy lens to get that look.
Speaker 1:And then they, I guess, put that over top of the film and somehow that's a special effect they use. They obviously didn't have the technology we have nowadays to achieve that look.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. Kind of look like Ghostbusters. Remember when 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that reminded me of Ghostbusters, completely reminded me of that. That's a great effect. That's pretty smart.
Speaker 1:What got me to thinking too like the face mel and all that. So they had a pretty decent budget on this at what we say 20 million. I think it was Another movie that I love that was low budget at the time Evil Dead that came out that had similar effects, but you could totally tell that was a $300,000 budget versus this 20 million that they were working with in this. It was a. It still didn't look great by today's standards but it's definitely like more presentable than like stuff from like evil dad or like cheaper movies 100, you know 100 uh, oh, I know, uh, dave, you mentioned him earlier, in the very beginning.
Speaker 2:Uh, so the music for this was done by john williams, right, who is a name we all know and love. I mean he's done everything good. He did star wars, he did super T. I mean he's done all the biggins, all of them. Fun fact John Williams has been nominated for 54 Academy Awards. He is the second most. Now, you would think, with that big of a number, he'd be by far and away the biggest. No, sir, he is in fact the second most nominated person of all time after Walt Disney.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, Timmy.
Speaker 2:Walt After Walt Disney Now. So that notwithstanding, he still has since won 26 Grammy Awards, five Academy Awards, seven BAFTA Awards, three Emmy Awards and four Golden Globe Awards. Like this guy's amazeballs Take that Taylor Swift, you know what's crazy is that and you're top 14.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Now this won some awards that year, but did not win for music, which shocked me because this song is iconic. But guess who it came in second and guess who it lost? To Indian or Raiders of the.
Speaker 2:Lost Ark, so this was 81.
Speaker 1:Yeah, superman 2.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:I don't know Chariots of oh, that's a great one. Yeah, when I read that, I was like well that makes sense because that is like a, a great song as well catchy that you just automatically connect to the movie, you know did that win an academy award. Then the chariots of fire for music, for music okay, uh, raiders of lost ark did win awards that year, but not for music. You know it came in second, which you know still, but I think it was in 82 when the awards were presented, or whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah fun fact harrison ford is not afraid of snakes. In real life oh really yeah, just, indiana, jones, just that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess every hero has to have a weakness kryptonite, as it were as it were. Yeah, what else you guys got?
Speaker 2:I got. Oh so that scene at the end with the boxes and the crates and shit like that, mm-hmm, that warehouse that you see this guy walking into what looks like just miles of warehouse going back, that's actually a matte painting.
Speaker 3:Matt, you painted that. Yeah, I did. Yeah, that was big money.
Speaker 2:So that's just a painting that he's walking up against in the background.
Speaker 1:That's wild. That was like Coming to America.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did that, Exactly the same yep, it was like the kingdom or whatever. It was all painted.
Speaker 3:Yep, so George Lucas actually owned an Alaskan Malamute. That was his dog, and his dog's name was Indiana, that's how you have it.
Speaker 1:That's how you have the name. Yes, there it is. How about that?
Speaker 3:That's a fun fact. That is a fun fact. It's his real-life dog, dave. What do you got?
Speaker 1:well, I was going to let you go to that next one about the uh oh so our favorite topic.
Speaker 2:So vhs's. So we were talking about earlier that. Uh, this movie came out in 81 and we had mentioned that they actually released it again the following summer in other countries and held off on releasing the vhs tape. Uh, you know, to be released and sold. So vhs's of raiders of the lost ark became available for sale in 1983 at a price of 39.95 a piece. So that's basically 40 a piece for vhs in 1983. In today's money that's 125 you know what's crazy, though.
Speaker 1:At that time though, that was cheap for a vhs, because you know that's why they at that time though that was cheap for a VHS, because you know that's why they put it out at that price it was actually like half of what normally it would cost. Yeah, you know, because back then we talk about that, it was 80, 90 bucks to buy a movie before they started. I don't know if this set off that like hey you, Because they printed 500,000 copies initially, sold out, Boom Did another 500. So I think they sold like a million copies within a year At $39.95 a pop. What's the cost, you think, on a VHS? Maybe for them to mass produce a dollar, $2? You know?
Speaker 2:what I mean At best. I mean nickels and pennies. Really. You're really mass production, especially with Chinese sweatshop labor.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, production, especially with, you know, chinese sweatshop labor, right yeah, so even if they're making ten dollars a copy out of that, you know that's 10 million, easy, easy I just got one more um.
Speaker 3:C-3po and r2d2 were cameos in this movie. They were I did, I did know that, I did know that they were inside one of the when he was looking through the stuff. They were on the the wall there in one of the temples, in the temple where the ark is yes, they had like their scratches were in the wall there.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's like a little spielberg thing on there.
Speaker 3:They were like hieroglyphics, yeah nice they're like check that out, so I got one more go for it.
Speaker 2:But no, this isn't, this is a big one. So I mean, if anyone else has a fun, fact you better drop it.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, drop, drop.
Speaker 2:This is going to make you lose your mind, all right. So we were kids, right, obviously, and when we were growing up, we watched Saturday morning cartoons.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So one of those Saturday morning cartoons was the Gummy Bears Bouncing here, and there and everywhere.
Speaker 3:The.
Speaker 1:Gummy Bears.
Speaker 3:Yeah, gummy Bears, high Adventures at Beyond. Compare they are the gummy bears. You don't know them.
Speaker 2:Magic and Mystery is part of their history.
Speaker 1:Now that, you're saying all those things, it kind of rings a bell Along with the secret of gummy berry juice. But I'm thinking of gummy bears you eat and stuff.
Speaker 2:No gummy bears bouncing here and there and everywhere. It was a Disney animated cartoon. I got to look it up then. You don't remember that fucking theme song that we're reciting we Gosh, are you serious?
Speaker 3:I?
Speaker 1:mean it's ringing a bell, but I can't picture it.
Speaker 3:They didn't have that in Harrisburg, oh my God.
Speaker 1:No, no Okay.
Speaker 2:So anyway. So this will blow Matt's mind more than that. All right, go ahead. So the guy that sang that song was also the same guy that sang for is it Simba from the Lion King? Okay?
Speaker 1:Who was.
Speaker 2:The main lion guy Was that.
Speaker 1:Simba yeah, lion guy was that, simba, yeah, was that james earl jones?
Speaker 2:no, uh, so the singing voice. I'm saying so, the singing voice, uh, that guy that sang the gummy bear song and also sang as simba or whatever, from the lion king. Wait, did simba have a son? Yeah, what was the son's name? Simba?
Speaker 3:was it simba jr either?
Speaker 2:way, so that's one of the goddamn lines that was singing right, so that was the same guy okay, same guy singing, so that same guy is the lead singer of toto no way has forever been the lead singer of toto toto is actually a great band.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, yeah, don't sleep on them, guys, man, but wait it gets better wait what that guy is the son of John Williams.
Speaker 1:The composer Mike drop Wow Toto Toto Africa, correct.
Speaker 2:Gummy Bears. Toto John Williams, john Williams, simba.
Speaker 1:They are the.
Speaker 3:Gummy Bears.
Speaker 1:So it's genetic, then your musical talent.
Speaker 2:You can't feel it, it's genetic.
Speaker 1:That's wild.
Speaker 2:Boogie, boogie, boogie.
Speaker 1:Boogie, boogie, boogie.
Speaker 3:Now I remember that he did not sing that he didn't, but he sang the Gummy Bears.
Speaker 1:Well, I know what I'm looking up. Then YouTube Gummy Bears. I got to see this to ring a bell Real quick before we wrap it up. Just the other commercials, I'll go through them real fast.
Speaker 2:Hyundai. If you bought a Hyundai back, then you another rebate that was pretty cool in canada yeah, that's great uh, there was a mccain stern saver, I don't remember that around here.
Speaker 1:I don't think we had that. Nope, uh, some ultra pampers, vix, formula 44d, if you're yes, 44d if you got a cold I don't know if that's still around head and shoulders that has codeine in it.
Speaker 3:Actually you can't, you can't have that anymore, that head and shoulders commercial was hilarious by the way I mean I mean hilarious.
Speaker 2:They go to the club Like you see them dancing. It reminded me of the club from Coming to America where they go out to find the singles. Except it's all just white Canadians dancing to. You know, soft rock.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Rush or something Rush, yeah, Rush so yeah, the Head, head and shoulders bottle definitely different back in the 80s, smaller like a skinnier neck. It was cool to see that. It struck a memory as soon as I saw the oh yeah, that's what the bottle used to look like yeah, my dad had dandruff yeah, I have head and shoulders in there because that's all they had in the store, so I use it with head and shoulders, though you don't have dandruff.
Speaker 3:That's right, that's right, keep away, it tingles, it does. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1:So we had another Foster's again, so we'll skip that. Then this one got me, so Pontiac had a Pontiac 6000 back in the 80s. This is 88. They were selling it and the whole selling point was no charge air conditioning if you buy right now. So I guess that was like something an An upcharge.
Speaker 2:An option that they would upcharge you. It didn't just come standard. Things have come a long way, hell. When I was a kid, I remember my parents had purchased a station wagon and it's something they just never had. You'd never think to ask the salesperson. You couldn't roll the back windows down.
Speaker 1:They were locked.
Speaker 2:There was no handle. Oh shit, there was nothing. The windows did not go down. That was an option. If you so chose, you could allow the passengers in the rear seats to roll the windows down in the passenger seats.
Speaker 1:That's insane. That is, bananas that's something you wouldn't even think about asking about.
Speaker 3:We had a Mercury Cougar, I remember that had buttons to do the locks on the front and the back, but you still had to roll the windows down like that. Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:But it had the you could hit like power locks. It had the power locks like vacuum. It was like there was no yeah but there's no power windows so this one got me to uh, kit kat, kit kat commercial, but the brand I? I thought kit kat's hershey, but it was roundtree, indeed the name of the company not richard roundtree, just round, not richard roundtree. John shaft, yes, shaft, you're damn right.
Speaker 2:So a buddy of mine, shut your mouth buddy of mine works for hershey and it's, in, you know, coincidental or whatever serendipitous. You mentioned the kit kat, so at one point I had asked him. This was after having discovered at, uh, local asian markets. Uh, if you're not familiar, please go into the hood and go driving around and after maybe the ninth or tenth bodega you'll find an Asian market. So at the Asian market they sell Kit Kats of all different flavors and colors, like green tea Kit Kats.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like ridiculous flavored Kit Kats out of control. So these come in from China, as do the other and the msg monosodium glutenate. You can buy monosodium glutenate in like five pound bags.
Speaker 2:Sprinkle it on yeah, here, this will be good for for months, so kit kat, all these different flavors, all these different colors, and I asked him how the hell, why can't I get these elsewhere? Why do I have to get these at the chinese market? And he had mentioned that, or he relayed the story that kit cat is actually a franchised product. Where it's licensing it varies from country to country, and in america hershey has the license, but in china ching chang chong might have the license, and in canada, roundtree has the license. That makes sense then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got you yeah, the last commercial here was maxwell house, max's new blend, and uh, when I saw that I kind of remembered that sure it's like new coke.
Speaker 3:There was a riot maxwell house decaffeinated, it's that.
Speaker 1:Instant coffee, instant, terrible. But uh, I guess the last thing we do, as always, is is uh, rate our little rating on this movie so we have a late fee return, or burn and zap, it's your movie. You lead us off, I guess so let's put it into perspective.
Speaker 2:Are we saying at the time so is it a vhs? It's a vhs rental it's a vhs rental.
Speaker 1:You can look at it, give us, you can give us two as one, as, uh, you know, the first time you saw it and then now so the first first time I saw it I saw it on somebody else's television, so I couldn't use that.
Speaker 2:But if I were to rent it and my only way to watch it was by renting it Like it's not on demand, it's not repeating every two weeks I would late fee this. You're late feeing this 100%. I would late fee this. I would watch this over and over and over and over. Like I've seen Harry Potter thousands of times, I would watch this hundreds of times.
Speaker 1:This has a lot of replayability then.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah.
Speaker 1:Matt what you got With grill marks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, still I don't know. Watching it again, I thought it was just a great movie. The way it was done, good acting Like the character actors in this I thought were incredible. Not a great movie. Uh, the way it was done, good, acting like the character actors in this, I thought were incredible. Uh, not just you know, harrison ford's, but every, every actor in this did a great job. Um, being I would say being a kid I probably return it being what I watched today. I mean, you don't have to rent anything, but if it wasn't rental I'd probably keep it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe pay the two extra bucks yeah, this is definitely one I agree.
Speaker 1:Like back then I don't think I would have. Uh, like it was definitely an enjoyable movie, but I think a lot of stuff would have been over my head and I would have. I would have definitely enjoyed it more back then if I was older and I definitely would have um late feed it, I believe shit yeah, back then I would have late feed it if I knew enough.
Speaker 1:I don't know what age I saw this movie. I definitely if I saw it in 84, 85, let's say when temple of doom was out. You know, I'm nine, ten years old. Um, you know, I probably would have late feed it just because there's a cool shit in it, like the end, the melting and all that. So, uh, yeah, I'd probably say late feeling this. Uh, now, like matt said and like you said, you can stream, get it everywhere, so you're not late fee and anything, I guess.
Speaker 2:No, nothing gets a late fee anymore.
Speaker 1:Definitely new appreciation for this movie. Like I said with a lot of these movies, the older you get, the more you appreciate them and stuff. So it was a good pick.
Speaker 2:So I don't know what we'll be back with uh. On the next one, matt gets the pick, I picked. Die.
Speaker 1:Hard Zab had Indiana Jones Raiders of the Lost Ark, I guess you'll be up. You guys got anything else in closing on this? No, thanks, Zab I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3:It was fun to watch again especially in.
Speaker 2:Canadian. That was the best that was cool Out on the internet at a website called archiveorg. You can find it. You can find it.
Speaker 3:I seen you guys like when, when you were talking on the phone, looking at like your texts, I was like what the hell? I think I just watched it. Like, what are they talking about? Like, oh, I was like. I don't know this how it sounded, and that was from 88, but I didn't know 88 was that long ago, it just seems.
Speaker 2:So to be clear, when we say 88, it is a VHS recording made in 88, of a movie that was seven years old at the time.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, right, 81 to 88, 88 commercials.
Speaker 1:Somebody definitely had one of those VHS on SLP super long play. They probably recorded like three movies.
Speaker 2:You can turn one VHS into. It was two hours, four hours or six hours.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Flip of a switch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, slp baby. But yeah, we'll definitely be back next week with a true crime and then after that, a VCR. So definitely, let us know what you think. Don't forget to reach out on our Facebook and Instagram at Old Dirty Basement, and on TikTok at Old Dirty Basement Podcast. And I guess that's it for now, so we'll catch you where.
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