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Ready to take a trip down memory lane with us? Join us as we relive the magic of the 1989 cult classic, "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure." Have you ever wondered how a shelved movie for two years turned into a timeless piece of cinema history? We promise to uncover this mystery while exploring the film’s initial two-hour runtime, its budget constraints, and its surprising box office success. Plus, we'll chat about Keanu Reeves' evolution from lovable goofball Ted to Hollywood A-lister, and why he just couldn’t resist coming back for more.
Curious about how Bill and Ted’s time-travel antics stack up against other '80s classics? We’ve got you covered. From their legendary journey to ace history class and save Wyld Stallions to the unforgettable 2688 setting with Rufus, we’ll dissect every hilarious twist and turn. Feeling nostalgic for Radio Shack and its brands, Optimus and Realistic? So are we! And let’s not forget the killer soundtrack featuring Big Pig and Extreme that made this film a cultural phenomenon.
Hold on tight as we recount Bill and Ted's zany escapades through various historical periods. Relive their comical run-ins with Billy the Kid in New Mexico, Socrates in ancient Greece, and their perilous adventure in 15th century England, where they narrowly escape execution thanks to some quick thinking and clever disguises. We'll also highlight memorable quotes and question amusing inconsistencies like the infamous rope in the saloon fight. Join us for a fun and insightful trip through one of our favorite films from the past!
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Ready to take a trip down memory lane with us? Join us as we relive the magic of the 1989 cult classic, "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure." Have you ever wondered how a shelved movie for two years turned into a timeless piece of cinema history? We promise to uncover this mystery while exploring the film’s initial two-hour runtime, its budget constraints, and its surprising box office success. Plus, we'll chat about Keanu Reeves' evolution from lovable goofball Ted to Hollywood A-lister, and why he just couldn’t resist coming back for more.
Curious about how Bill and Ted’s time-travel antics stack up against other '80s classics? We’ve got you covered. From their legendary journey to ace history class and save Wyld Stallions to the unforgettable 2688 setting with Rufus, we’ll dissect every hilarious twist and turn. Feeling nostalgic for Radio Shack and its brands, Optimus and Realistic? So are we! And let’s not forget the killer soundtrack featuring Big Pig and Extreme that made this film a cultural phenomenon.
Hold on tight as we recount Bill and Ted's zany escapades through various historical periods. Relive their comical run-ins with Billy the Kid in New Mexico, Socrates in ancient Greece, and their perilous adventure in 15th century England, where they narrowly escape execution thanks to some quick thinking and clever disguises. We'll also highlight memorable quotes and question amusing inconsistencies like the infamous rope in the saloon fight. Join us for a fun and insightful trip through one of our favorite films from the past!
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Thanks for tuning in to the Vintage Cinema Review On this week's episode. We're covering from 1989, bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
Speaker 2:Ah, indeed, the movie where, despite a future that had already come to be, it took time traveling to make it happen.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is a timeless film. It combines humor, history, friendship. It's much like our podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. We hope you're enjoying the podcast. If you are, leave that five-star rating on Spotify. On Apple, leave us a written review and a five-star rating. Sit back, relax and enjoy Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Hey, this is Dave.
Speaker 3:Matt and Zap, and welcome to the Vintage Cinema Review.
Speaker 1:Where, every week, we review some of our favorite films from the past.
Speaker 3:Hey, there ain't no late fees here.
Speaker 2:Silence is golden and be kind Rewind.
Speaker 1:Oh what are you loading up Matt.
Speaker 3:What an excellent evening. Got something excellent I guess I could say twice in the VCR for us today.
Speaker 2:And what might that be, Matt?
Speaker 3:I think it is Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
Speaker 2:Man, it's like a Beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice. There you get Matt to say excellent three times. It might make the movie good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, which it wasn't, but it was fun.
Speaker 2:No, this was certainly a fun movie. Certainly, I mean, we'll get into it. Yeah, this is a classic.
Speaker 3:It is a classic, it's a cult classic, but it's one of those ones that I think, as you get older, it loses its flavor. Yes, yes, a little bit it does.
Speaker 1:It's a funny piece. I have that same perspective, I think For sure. I didn't know how you are going to be on this, but yeah, Bill and Ted came out February 17th 1989. It was rated PG and an hour and 30 minutes. Do you know? This almost had originally over a two hour runtime.
Speaker 3:I did read that Wow. And I can't imagine that was on a fun fact there, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think that'd be too long. So this was yeah, it might've been. This was directed by Stephen Herrick, written by Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon and produced by Scott Krupp, michael S Murphy and Joel Sison. Budget on this $10 million. Box office $40.5 million.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Ching, ching, ching ching ching.
Speaker 2:Hey look, man, that's a 400% return.
Speaker 1:I'll take it it was a good time. Yeah, it was good enough to make a sequel, I guess.
Speaker 3:Hell yeah, we don't even want to talk about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, you know what? I haven't seen it, neither have I.
Speaker 3:I've seen that they had it when I was watching this again and I didn't even know they had a second one.
Speaker 1:Well, no one. Well no, they had a bogus journey and then, I think, one came out in 2020 it did well, there's three of them, yeah they yeah, they recently came out when it's and you're right, it's not, but at most two years old.
Speaker 2:These guys are aged and yet somehow some way they were able to reprise the role. This is no. So this is again like the most important would be. You know, keanu reeves, who, after the matrix and the john wicks's and the whatever, came back to do Ted.
Speaker 1:God bless him. Well, he's awesome. I love Keanu Reeves and I'm not shocked that he would do that.
Speaker 3:He just seems like he's probably one of my favorite actors yeah, ever since Speed, like the whole action hero thing for Keanu, just well, the John Wick thing in general, plus the Matrix is outstanding.
Speaker 1:He does that cool move now that I see guys do when they get pictures with girls they hover their hand behind them you know, so you don't get a charge like instead of putting it around their waist, yeah, or like you'll see the hand hovering, like he won't literally hug them no touching, yes, because it's usually nerdy dudes with hot girls like they don't know they don't know how to hold their hands, so
Speaker 1:now this I think they do like a thing like that I think this is just more like a like I don't want to get in trouble here like a what a smart man yeah it is.
Speaker 2:But I remember the uh ulterior motives back in high school, like somebody was taking a picture or you wanted to pretend so you would stand next to this girl or whatever. You put your arm over her shoulder but not touch it like and it's just hanging out there like dang man, look at these, I'm just making it look like that no, no, a hand on the shoulder, I think is okay.
Speaker 1:It's that lower waist thing you can get in trouble, for it's a danger zone, I guess. But, he's smart about it.
Speaker 3:Kenny Loggins yeah.
Speaker 1:So this movie was filmed in Arizona and it was get this filmed from February 9th to May 4th 1987. So this movie was shelved for two years. Interesting.
Speaker 3:So it was not. It wasn't in San Dimas, california, no, no, so this came out in 1989.
Speaker 2:I man, I know I mentioned it on a podcast when we were, oh, when we were doing um, the, the, the, the, the lost boys with Alex Winters, alex Winter Winters I'm looking right at his name. I'm gonna ask. I thought that this came out much earlier than 1989 like.
Speaker 1:Even I did too like 86, 87 maybe, but no 89, so it goes 89 dudes, my guess would have been 87 if somebody would have asked me before going back and watching it.
Speaker 3:If it was in 89, why weren't we more into this movie?
Speaker 1:I mean, I was at the time, were you? Yeah?
Speaker 2:for sure. I was a super fan of this. I remember seeing this over the summer and then I remember that summer being one of those kids that you're just regurgitating the movie. You're seeing 69 dudes, you're seeing excellent, all the time in the accent, and whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, those were the big ones, like the 69 dudes. The San Dimas High School football rules what's always cool to say.
Speaker 1:Rufus.
Speaker 3:The da-da-da school football rules was always cool to say rufus, the uh, like that was always fun, yeah, but I don't, I don't remember how it became so iconic, like I don't know if we were in the middle of like it wasn't cool, but it was, or it was cool for me.
Speaker 1:I remember that summer going into high school it was kind of when. I remember catching it. Good buddy of mine, josh shout out to josh, I think he listens from time to time. A lot of good memories of being at his house watching Bill and Ted. Down in his basement he had one of these switch boxes on the wall. They had a cable box upstairs and I'll never forget he'd hit the switch and it would switch the cable box to feed the TV downstairs.
Speaker 3:That's how cars go, like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was probably like a Radio Shack product.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's all you need. With the right wires and the right switches, you can make that happen for sure Radio Shack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, remember them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Not a lot of kids. That's where you went for car stereo stuff. That was a hot spot.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to remember their brand. They had one at the mall.
Speaker 3:remember they did, it was small.
Speaker 1:It stuff. It had a name I can't remember but at any rate big good memories of that movie and uh, that's pretty much it for all that stuff I handed over to zap for the cast.
Speaker 2:Cool, all right. The cast of bill and ted's excellent adventure includes, but is not limited to, alex winter as bill s preston, esquire keanu reeves as ted, theodore logan, george carlin as rufus, terry Camilleri as Napoleon Bonaparte, dan Shore as Billy the Kid, tony Steedman as Socrates, or Socrates. Rod Loomis as Sigmund Freud, al Leong as Genghis Khan, jane Wideland as Joan of Arc, robert Barron as Abraham Lincoln, clifford David as Ludwig van Beethoven, bernie Casey as Mr Ryan. That's Bill and Ted's history teacher Hal Landon Jr as Captain Logan, which is Ted's father. J Patrick McNamara as mr preston, who is bill's father. Amy stock pointon as missy, bill's stepmother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes frazier bain as deacon logan, that's ted's younger brother. Diane franklin as princess joanna, kimberly labelle as princess elizabeth john carlson as the evil duke, and clarence clemens, martha davis and fee weibel as the three most important people in the world in the year 2688 yeah, so that clarence clemens I didn't realize until looking at the fun facts is from the east street band 100. Yes, like forever. Yeah, I mean I should say he was in it forever until he died. He was a founding member. I think he was in it forever until he died.
Speaker 3:He was a founding member I think he was like the e street band because, he was like so big the whole street.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then jane wyland was from the gogos, correct? Yes, and also in clue, she was the uh, the singing telegram yes indeed.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll take that a step further. Diane franklin, who played princess joanna? She was, uh, monique, the French girl from Better Off Dead.
Speaker 3:Oh, really, yes, she was yes, for sure About that. Yeah, they said, bill's stepmom gave good Bane.
Speaker 1:Is that what they said? Yes, yeah. So I guess that's it for the cast. We'll turn it over to Matt for a brief synopsis.
Speaker 3:Yes, a synopsis of the movie Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Yes, a synopsis of the movie Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Bill and Ted have spent so much time forming the rock band the Wild Stallions that they're flunking history. Whoa, dude. That's when Ted's dad threatens to send him away to military school. Bill and Ted realize it could mean that the most heinous end of the Stallions. Luckily, a guardian angel from the future, rufus, has come to them with the most bodacious solution A time-traveling booth that will take them into the past and learn about the world from whom the history's most influential personalities. Their journey through time turns out to be a blast, but will they learn enough to pass third class? Bill and Ted's excellent adventure?
Speaker 1:there you go so that radio shack brand I was thinking of was optimus. Okay, like prime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I remember now, like the up, they had man, they had turntables, they had all kinds of stuff they would like upcharge you for batteries there yeah, inner cell, that was their batteries yeah, like could I get like three triple A's and they'd be like we can give you 27 for $3 more.
Speaker 1:I was like, okay, that's good. Realistic was the other one. There you go. Realistic, very realistic.
Speaker 2:Wow, how we miss you. Radio Shack Farewell.
Speaker 3:So that Are you sure? Yeah, that was off the CD, the DVD.
Speaker 2:DVD CD. Yeah, I too own the DVD.
Speaker 1:I also own the.
Speaker 2:DVD of Bogus Journey.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen Bogus Journey, but I like it a lot. I don't think I've seen that I am contemplating looking at the new one that just came out, just out of curiosity.
Speaker 2:I just want to watch it. Just to say I watched it. Look, at least I finished the trilogy.
Speaker 1:I gave it a shot To complete it. Yes.
Speaker 3:Are they like in their 30s, late 30s, early 40s on this one, the latest one.
Speaker 1:Well, in reality they're probably in their 50s, but maybe in the movie they're supposed to be in their 40s.
Speaker 2:It's amazing what hair dye can do.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I guess, Zab, you want to steer us through the movie a little bit.
Speaker 2:Sure do, sure do. Year 2688, and all is right in the world, specifically San Dimas, california. We're introduced to Rufus, who's been tasked with ensuring that the two great ones who'd made it all possible, bill S Preston and Ted Theodore Logan, pass their history class. Failing the class would ruin the utopian future. Indeed, if they fail, neither would graduate and Ted would be forced to go to a military academy, thereby breaking up Bill and Ted's band Wild Stallions. Rufus's mission will be nothing short of a challenge, as Bill and Ted aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the box. Their history final is to consider varying historical figures and express, via a live presentation, how those figures would view the world in 1988. The presentation is due tomorrow and they haven't yet begun their homework.
Speaker 1:I wonder were these guys if they had good grades in every other class? It's just funny that it's just this one.
Speaker 3:I thought that also. The thing with the 2688 also made me laugh. I was like they stretched out on this one. Yeah, they went way far Because usually in the future they'll have the year 2075.
Speaker 2:Right, so just in case. Just in case, music didn't save the world in the next 70 years, they had to stretch it out to 700 years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was like wow, 26, wow, that's a long time, Long time.
Speaker 1:Now I'm trying to think other than Back to the Future. Future which, from the 80s, is probably the the greatest time travel movie. This would only be the other one I can think of outside of that. Was there another one that I'm not thinking of, like that was kind of like a.
Speaker 3:I enjoyed the time machine, the original one, I'm not aware of, which was a shout out to whatsapp some book no doctor who no?
Speaker 2:the time machine, the original time, oh the time.
Speaker 3:okay, I thought you're talking about their phone booth time traveling oh that.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, okay, so sure. Was it a shout out to Doctor who, or was it just coincidence?
Speaker 1:It's just coincidence, yeah, yes, they didn't even realize it. After they're like oh, they didn't realize that.
Speaker 2:One thing I liked about this one of many things I liked about this movie is the soundtrack track. There's a lot of great, great tracks on here and we see it from the gate, like the opening song breakaway by big pig.
Speaker 1:That's a great song, man a lot of these names of these bands I didn't know other than extreme. That's the extreme iron maiden was in it is that extreme, like uh porno graffiti or whatever that album was. It was like more than words and all that correct but other than that, a lot of the bands I wasn't aware of, I heard one of them was um one of the nelson brothers gunner or one of them was in it yes I went and listened to some of the tracks and they they sound like good tracks.
Speaker 1:I just didn't know the bands were yeah, you know were you into? Were you guys into the soundtrack when it came out?
Speaker 2:so I owned it, I bought it, I and still, to this day, have it on cassette okay I played the shit out of it when I was a kid. I loved it.
Speaker 3:I thought it was just great yeah, what I didn't get is watching it over again. It's like the shout outs to, like you know, van halen, van halen. Uh, he wore that 5150 t-shirt yes yeah which, um, like I don't know if they were able to show it, I guess van did. Do you think?
Speaker 2:they asked van halen to be on the soundtrack and they were kind of like nah dude there's a fun fact about van halen we'll get to that then there is, in fact, a fun fact about that, but it's getting back to the, the question of you know how stupid were these guys like? Was it only history they were failing? It's made clearly evident from the gate that these guys are not bright like. According to bill and ted, the and this according to their teacher, napoleon was a short, dead dude and caesar was a salad dressing dude, yeah um washington was the dollar bill guy oh yeah so little things, man.
Speaker 2:little things, um, I don't know. I I mentioned it in the intro and I'll mention it again. So if you use, let's say, back to the future as the, the basis, right, the, the thought of time travel that so many people believe and understand, that where you, if you mess up something in the past, you're going to affect the future, that's all fine and dandy, but this, the whole concept of this movie, creates just a. This huge paradox, this huge, it doesn't make sense, it's quandary, quite simply, if the future was already great and wonderful thanks to the two great ones, how would they need to go back in time to make sure that they pass the history final?
Speaker 3:you know, what I mean, yeah, it doesn't really make sense it makes no sense well, even the changing of the future, like them being caught in the uh, what do you say? The parallel universe, like so many times. Like, however, the stuff that they messed up it. It didn't make sense. I don't like it definitely with this.
Speaker 1:I guess you gotta suspend disbelief, and I did back then for sure. This time around, yeah, I was kind of like looking at it like, oh, you know a couple things that just didn't make sense to me. But a couple things I wrote down from these opening scenes that I kind of noticed was the panasonic camcorder that red I think we all had one similar to that back in the day that they were filming with sure, and I used to do the same thing when I'd be filming something and I'd film the TV and you'd see just layers and layers and layers of like the the video Cause it just goes on for you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, and then also the the hot step moms, ford, that was like a Mustang.
Speaker 2:It's one of those.
Speaker 1:Fox body Mustangs. Those things are sweet, hell yeah.
Speaker 3:I are sweet.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, I don't know if that was a GT or like a 5.0.
Speaker 3:I think it was just a regular Mustang. I don't think it was the 5.0. But that was a nice looking car Absolutely Back then, you know, still is but when they blew up the fender amps, I'm sure that was like oh yeah, it's a lot of money, A lot of money.
Speaker 2:Those speakers aren't cheap. Those's still not cheap, all right. Moving right along Using a time-traveling phone booth, rufus arrives in 1988, 700 years in his past, and finds Bill and Ted at the local Circle K where strange things are afoot. Within minutes, another time-traveling phone booth arrives. Its passengers are mere hours older, duplicate versions of Bill and Ted, who assure present-time Bill and Ted that they can trust Rufus. Present-time Bill and Ted decide to follow Rufus's lead, jump into the phone booth and go to their first destination, austria 1805, where the French, led by Napoleon, have just invaded. An errant explosion thrusts Napoleon into the path of the time machine as it's leaving, thereby sending Napoleon back to present day, 1988, along with Rufus, bill and Ted. Napoleon is placed in the care of Ted's little brother, deacon, and Bill and Ted carry on with their assignment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they said that scene where in from Napoleon the war scene was from a movie in the fifties war and peace, oh nice, they use stock footage for that of course, like the background stuff, that 10 million dollars only goes so far right, right, right. I think they did a good job on this movie with the historical figures, like keeping them absolutely, you know absolutely.
Speaker 1:Well, like the short french guy, well, no, I mean like there's a couple things in here like, as I got older and got more into history, actually listened to a couple podcasts recently on like like Genghis Khan and Napoleon and a lot of stuff, just that they did. They did a good job on like you know, the look and everything else like that.
Speaker 3:Did you guys see the new Napoleon movie?
Speaker 1:I want to see that one with River Phoenix. No not River Phoenix, joaquin.
Speaker 2:Joaquin, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a Ridley Scott. John I Scott.
Speaker 3:John, I went to start it but it was like late at night one night. I couldn't get into it right away because I was so tired.
Speaker 2:It takes an effort, man, that's a shift to watch that movie.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I always love movies where people are out of their time frame, like I loved when Marty McFly went back to 1955. You always wonder what you would do in the past or what somebody from the past would do in the future when you're around modern conveniences and different things technology yeah, I always like to see that.
Speaker 3:I did enjoy um deacon hanging out with napoleon. That was one of as, as being older, I enjoyed like the interaction in that.
Speaker 1:That part of the movie, sure, oh yeah yeah, I kind of thought that was neat yeah, definitely, and then also, um, when they went got got into the telephone booth to go back. There was a reference to a deputy Van Halen when he called the. He had him call his dad to distract him, ted that's correct.
Speaker 2:No, that was absolutely correct. This was in the beginning.
Speaker 1:And that's the scene where his dad goes out front and the telephone booth disappears. That was, I think, right after this, like after they set Napoleon down with the little brother.
Speaker 2:That little brother, that's right. So bill called. So ted's sitting in there with his dad. His dad says you know, I'd like to talk to ted. Could I talk to you and bill standing there alone please, bill? So he kicks bill out of the house. Bill goes outside, goes to the telephone and calls the chief and says hey man, hello, uh, chief, uh, logan, this is deputy van halen. We need, we found your keys and if you want them, come get them. He's, he's like deputy who. All right.
Speaker 2:Despite being able to travel anywhere and to any time, rufus warns Bill and Ted that the current time, as per the watch on Ted's wrist, is the constant. That constant is the one condition to which Bill and Ted must adhere. They must travel through time, collect and complete their research and prepare their research and prepare their presentation in the time allotted to them. At this point they have less than a day to prepare. Rufus departs, a time machine for their use appears and the research race is on Again. I wanted to stop that one really quickly as we're going through this. Herein lies again another paradox, another. This doesn't make sense, given our understanding of time travel. Thanks to back to the future, they've got a time machine. They can travel anywhere in time. Why does ted's wrist watch? How is that a constant? That doesn't make any sense to me that's what rufus said rufus is a god.
Speaker 2:He's a known liar yeah, he's a great.
Speaker 3:He's a great comedian. He is a known liar and he was playing a joke on them so basically what they're saying is you spend 12 hours in the past.
Speaker 1:You come back it's 12 hours later from where you left, correct? But in theory, why couldn't you get in a time machine and go back 12 hours and you're back where they did do that at the end of the movie.
Speaker 2:And Well, they actually did it at the very beginning of the movie.
Speaker 3:Well, not the very beginning, but when they landed at the Circle K.
Speaker 2:They were thinking they were supposed to land the next morning and instead they had landed only in time.
Speaker 3:One number backwards Correct.
Speaker 1:That creates another thing. I thought you couldn't see yourself or run into yourself in time travel. I don't know.
Speaker 2:The budget was only $10 million.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they weren't basing this on like a back to the future, thinking this was just a have fun type movie.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's, for sure yeah.
Speaker 3:Indeed.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, I just had to break with that paradox. In the meantime, napoleon's return with Bill and Ted, gives them the bright idea to travel through time, collect varying historical figures and bring them to present-day San Dimas, where they will present their thoughts on the present day in their own words, live and in person. Bill and Ted's first stop is New Mexico 1879. Not Old Mexico, but New Mexico 1879, where they find and abduct Billy the Kid, after saving his life when a high-stakes poker game goes awry with billy the kid in tow. Their next stop is athens, greece, 410 bc to be exact, where they find and abduct socrates or is it socrates? After some well-played philosophizing? This, of course, is where we hear all we are is dust in the wind dude, and to which socrates responds oh, like the sands of the hourglass. So are the days of our lives, which is the opening the days of our lives to the day. Two days of our lives are so by the show. I love, always love that part.
Speaker 3:I thought that was a great shout out the days of our lives yeah I think I was like 12 or 11 when I realized dust in the wind.
Speaker 2:Dust in the wind, dude. All we are is dust in the wind. Dust.
Speaker 3:Wind. It's crazy Dude, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Some of these were great. When they go to the Old West, to Bill and Ted are walking around Again. This is just how these guys talk. How's it going, old West, dude?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And there's always a. It's just like frontier land.
Speaker 1:Always in any old West show movie, Any there's always somebody in an outhouse every time, 100%. It's just they got to like have that in there.
Speaker 3:They want to show how hard it was in the old West.
Speaker 1:I guess it's just like something that they just always put in a movie when they referenced. Old West is like outhouses and bar saloons saloons sal, saloons and outhouses.
Speaker 2:I got one about the saloon. But right, in fact, while they're in the saloon, you got to hand it to Billy the Kid's negotiation tactics. When he's convincing Bill and Ted to play his card game, he says look what I win, I keep, what you win I keep. To which they respond sounds good, mr the Kid, mr the Kid, yeah, ps. Why was there, or how was there during the fight scene? How was there a rope hanging in the middle of the bar for that, oh that lady to swing, yeah where does that come from?
Speaker 3:yeah, you wonder it's it's?
Speaker 2:it's a fun movie, it is fun, yes, tis, as the group has now become four. Their next stop is 15th century england. Bill and ted become distracted by two historical babes, and this and this distraction almost costs them their lives. Just as we think they're going to be executed, billy the Kid and Socrates appear having taken the places of the hooded executioners. The four escape just as their time machine is struck by an armored guard who'd been in hot pursuit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like it. And he goes put them in the Iron Maiden. Yeah, Like, do you know what a real Iron Maiden looks like?
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, with spikes iron maiden. Yeah, like, do you know? You know what a real iron maiden looks like? Sure, yeah, it was spikes. Yeah, yeah, it's like a spiked coffin. Right, it's a spiked metal coffin.
Speaker 3:You couldn't have said it better but they slowly like turn it like so it's not completely closed and keep closing it in on you but was that a real thing or is that yeah? That's a real torture device 100%.
Speaker 1:It's 100% real, so you sit there and live as you bleed out slowly. Okay, cause I thought I read something where they said, uh, like they think it existed, but there's actually. No, I don't know, maybe there is Maybe.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, I'm pretty damn sure they existed. Yeah, I saw it. I think I know the band did.
Speaker 3:Yeah. The whole reason Iron Maiden, I think, had their name like, uh, torture tactics back in the day. Oh my god, yeah, hell, yeah, yeah, but that one would be really bad. And how could you torture the earl of preston and the duke of ted? Yeah, right. What I didn't get about this part is the dude goes down the stairs, like because they're dressed as knights, right. He lands on the, like he was in the kitchen somewhere, lands there and a guy just stabs him because he's dressed as a knight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't even know who that guy was? Yeah, it could have been on his team. For christ, I didn't even know who that guy was. Yeah, it could have been on his team.
Speaker 3:for Christ's sake, I didn't get that part. I didn't get it.
Speaker 1:I like when they're like heavy metal Is there in the.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of like little.
Speaker 3:There is.
Speaker 1:My 14 year old, when I was 13, four, whatever I was when I was probably laughing at that and just like the silliness.
Speaker 2:As being that part. Yeah, I did. I chuckled at that one. That was good, that was good. I am luke, bill. These guys were not bright at all.
Speaker 2:All right, let's see the group of four unwittingly arrived next in rufus's time, sam demas, 2688, where air guitar is the universal greeting and the most excellent music plays constantly for all. To hear the attention and admiration bestowed upon Bill and Ted confuses them. Yet their words of wisdom be excellent to each other and party on dudes inspire all in their presence. Their next stop is Vienna, austria, 1901, where Sigmund Freud is abducted and added to the throng for extra credit. Next stop abducted and added to the throng for extra credit. Next stop castle, germany, 1810, where they find and abduct ludwig von beethoven.
Speaker 2:Next stop, orleans, france, 1429, where a devout joan of arc is warmly welcomed to the group. Next stop outer mongolia, 1209, where a ravenous Genghis Khan is lured by a Twinkie to join the group. Next stop Washington DC, 1863, where the group abducts an unsuspecting Abraham Lincoln from the White House after he answers a knock at the door by an offer of a candy gram. Meanwhile, deacon and his friends have been tending to Napoleon in Bill and Ted's absence. One of their stops is ziggy's ice cream, where the largest imaginable sunday is shared by napoleon and his caretakers. Another stop is the local bowling alley where, after deacon and his friends ditched napoleon for being an all-around jerk thus far, napoleon is ejected from the bowling alley for failing to pay body did you think?
Speaker 1:did you think you kind of look like steve perry, the napoleon dude in his face? I don't know something about him.
Speaker 3:I didn't see that from journey.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I couldn't see it. I mean, maybe, maybe the nose is what's throwing you maybe, maybe I don't know something about his features. He had big eyes. Yeah, he definitely had big eyes.
Speaker 3:What was deacon doing at ziggy piggy with like the two twins? I know right yeah, I was like deacon's just there chilling with the twins eating the ziggy piggy, and was he trying to hook napoleon up?
Speaker 1:maybe it's like have you guys ever um done like an all-you-can-eat thing, like that, like a challenge?
Speaker 2:no, like you you know what I'm saying no, no, I've never done that um, there was a sandwich shop or a meat place, I can't remember the name of it, but you had to you, basically this two pound sandwich I did. Where was this? This was down in Maryland, oh, x number of years ago, maybe a decade ago.
Speaker 1:It was good. I mean, I always see it in movies and they have shows about it but I'm trying to think anything around here or anywhere that I've been, that it's been like oh, if you eat all this, like your family eats for free, or if you eat all this, you eat for free, or get your picture up on the wall.
Speaker 3:I think what made that famous?
Speaker 1:was that man vs Food?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, remember that show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, yeah, the Great Outdoors when it was Big 96er. Big, 96er, yeah, the Big 96er, but then man vs Food had all those challenges and, I think, people. So it's like oh, we have the all-you-can-eat super hot wing challenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all that other crap. It just got me thinking about him going to that ice cream, but that's what I like to see. I don't know if they had ice cream back then I don't know in his time.
Speaker 3:He was in a Chuck E Cheese or something. I'm sure they had ice cream in Napoleon's time In the 1800s.
Speaker 1:I don't know Neapolitan ice cream. I know this sounds crazy, but I wonder. Is that a fun fact? I don't know?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's why they had the ice cream there.
Speaker 1:That he liked the pink yeah, the pink. Vanilla strawberry, yeah, or I don't know, vanilla strawberry, chocolate Vanilla strawberry chocolate.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I can't say that because so Neapolitan, so Neupolitan. Ne have to look it up still.
Speaker 1:And g was a big neopolitan fan or use our fan mail link. If you know that, use the fan mail link. We advertise it. Please use the fan mail, send it to us. But uh, yeah, I thought there was some cool stuff. There was something cool I noticed in a little brother's bedroom. I wrote down a couple. He had one of those electric football games yep, I think I was in his room, remember those.
Speaker 1:You'd put them on, turn on and vibrate yeah the players would go and just move around yeah around, yeah, and that telephone booth, the antenna thing at the top, was that just like an umbrella?
Speaker 3:That was an umbrella piece. Yep. Without the fabric on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out. That's it. And then the Circle K.
Speaker 3:We had no Circle Ks around here. 7-elevens are Circle K.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Circle K is a thing.
Speaker 1:They definitely exist. You'll find them anywhere but Pennsylvania, so they're in Maryland and like around us, but not in.
Speaker 3:PA, I don't think there's Circle K's in Maryland anymore either. Is there?
Speaker 2:I don't know you might find one in Virginia. You might, I think. In fact I'm almost positive. No, I know for a fact You'll find one in Reston Virginia.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:You'll find them in California. You'll find them in Nevada. These are just states to which I've been and I've seen Circle Ks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for those listening, a Circle K is like a 7-Eleven, a Sheetz, Like convenience. Yeah, convenience Wawa's.
Speaker 1:And I believe that was in Army of Darkness was a Circle K.
Speaker 2:Makes sense, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure no-transcript. We have listened to two songs that were fantastic. One is In Time by Robbie Robb, which is the song that's playing in the background. When they land, when Bill and Ted and the group land in the future and the three most important people in the world and everybody surrounding them is like you know, they're just awestruck because the two great ones are there. Another one was in the joan of arc scene. Two heads are better than one by power tool is that the nelson band right power tool?
Speaker 1:I think it is like gunner now or one of them you might be right.
Speaker 2:I know that I just remember the lyrics was two heads are better than one. It's double the pleasure, baby, triple the fun.
Speaker 1:I gotta listen to that. One Good track.
Speaker 3:Lyrics were easy to come by back then. Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:Napoleon, the bowling alley Was quite funny.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:The ball sticks to his hand and he just.
Speaker 3:Dives, just dives Down the lane. The cheating part was funny Because he understood the numbers. He was like, wait, these numbers are lower than mine.
Speaker 2:He added 100 to his score. That guy's a good bowler, apparently, I mean that's what I love.
Speaker 1:That's like bowling and all that. But imagine the Paul Genghis kind of putting an iPhone in his hand.
Speaker 2:You know, what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying Thinking about it would blow these people's mind. What is this? Well, 300, 400, 700 years from now, when they listen to this podcast, they're gonna be like what are those guys talking about? Indeed, now a lot. We might be like those three, you know what?
Speaker 3:I mean, maybe we could, maybe we're already in the future, but yet back in time.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's our podcast that helps to align the planets and make everything a peaceful place 700 years in the future. Wouldn't that be something that would be something we don't see you sooner or later.
Speaker 3:Peace, yeah bowling school.
Speaker 2:Bowling scores are up. Many golf scores are down yeah, that's great. You never know you don't even know. You don't even know. All right now, traveling with a very full phone booth of historical figures, bill and ted and the gang stop in 1 million bc san dimas to determine the extent of the damage inflicted upon the time machine earlier by that English guardsman. They proceed to repair the phone booth's antenna using chewing gum and empty pudding cans.
Speaker 3:I like how they're just sitting next to like a stream and they had weird like sounds in the background.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you had no idea what the hell's going on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they were like we're not spending any money on dinosaurs, or anything here no. We're just going to go with some sound effects.
Speaker 2:They probably lifted them from I don't know the jungle in Endor where the Ewoks were.
Speaker 3:It sounded like Ewoks.
Speaker 1:I could use my drain pipes down here.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying at it. Sometimes, returning to what they think is present time, san Dimas they unexpectedly land at the Circle K at the time where they'd first met Rufus. Rufus instructs them how to return to their current time, along with a reminder that they've only got two hours left to complete their assignment, fulfilling the destiny they'd encountered earlier. They, who are now the hours into the future versions of bill and ted, convinced their hours earlier counterparts to trust rufus, so this part makes sense. I get this. I totally get the circular time travel on this.
Speaker 3:Anything else, though, is bullshit yeah, I know what you mean, yeah, this part was legit and then when it got to like later, later part, that made it legit for this part to be legit.
Speaker 2:The later, later we'll get to, the later later and it just loses later. The. Uh, so the whole thing was Ted forgot to wind his watch.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I think that and the the minus one to the plus one is what caused them to go funky, them that they they only had a couple hours left versus they had tons of time. Whatever, what are you gonna do? Good luck, bill and ted it worked out, I think I did it. I am luke bill returning to bill's house.
Speaker 3:In their correct time, they introduced bill's stepmom to their new friends, that is right it's your mom dude, do we explain like the whole first part with the dad, with the dad.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was great. Here take a 20 dad's, so gonna go for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was funny, 21 year old but they're all checking her out like the same time he says like remember when she asked me to the prom yeah, well, you figure she was probably 21, 22 for sure, yeah, you know sure they never explain what happens.
Speaker 1:His actual mom no, they don't, it doesn't matter yeah, it really doesn't.
Speaker 3:It does not she's like wearing a leather skirt. The dad's checking her.
Speaker 2:So creepy, so they're new friends, of course, to you protect the innocent. Dave beethoven, maxine of arc, herman the kid, bob gingus khan, so crates, johnson, dennis freud and abraham lincoln, bob Genghis Khan, socrates, johnson, dennis Freud and Abraham.
Speaker 1:Lincoln.
Speaker 2:In hopes of educating their historical guests on the ways of 1988 San Dimas, the group makes their way to the local mall. Meanwhile, Bill and Ted learn that Deacon had ditched Napoleon. They make their way to Waterloo Waterpark to find him there having the time of his life.
Speaker 3:What was he wearing? Like a onesie you could see through, but where did he get that?
Speaker 1:It wasn't a singlet.
Speaker 2:He had like an insignia on it and everything. No, that was probably his underwear. Underwear, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Like they used to have back in our day I'm sorry, not our day per se, but let's say our parents or grandparents day. They had one piece long, Johns, right, yeah, you had to step into. It's almost like pajamas all day pajamas.
Speaker 1:And they had that flap in the back.
Speaker 2:Correct. Yeah, so it's for the dumper. Take a dump, yeah, back at the mall. Without Bill and Ted as chaperones, all hell breaks loose with the historical group. Socrates, billy the Kid and Sigmund Freud try and fail at picking up a couple of local babes in the food court. Genghis Khan finds himself some new weapons at the sporting goods store, abraham Lincoln's hat and beard are mistaken for props during a photo shoot, beethoven creates a scene at the music store by going into full concert mode on electronic keyboards and Joan of Arc overtakes an aerobics class In the mass pandemonium. All of the historical figures are rounded up by mall security and taken to the local jail where Ted's dad is the captain of the police.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think of these ones. The only ones you'd have to worry about, I would think, would be Genghis Khan or Genghis Khan Billy the Kid. Well, Billy the Kid.
Speaker 3:No, he speaks English. He speaks English. But the kid billy, well, billy the kid it was the other one.
Speaker 2:He speaks english. He's, he speaks english, but he's also running around the mall with a revolver right.
Speaker 3:He did take the one shot and that caused the chaos. But yeah, it would be jangus yeah, jangus gangus, I don't care yeah, the rest of them were pretty cool, like uh like lincoln would be good yeah, you know, jona freud's cool freud soccer.
Speaker 1:I mean, these guys are all kind of jangus unchainedchained. Genghis Unchained. Yeah, those are the ones you don't have to worry about. I think Everybody else would probably be peaceful.
Speaker 3:The one part of that that stood out to me was the Beethoven scene. I just remember that. Like he's just jamming, out. Everybody's running around and Joan of Arc's doing the thing.
Speaker 1:I always wondered, too, what he would think of modern music Like, let's say, in the 88, like, like well he did.
Speaker 3:He laughed at that. He thought that was a cool part. When the guy hit the um like the synth and it made all the synth sound.
Speaker 2:Right, look, not for nothing. I got to believe that he would well. Two things I'm sure that he would like. One was the montage of Napoleon at the water park which was played to the boys, and the girls are doing it by vital signs, yeah. But I'm sure I've got to believe that beethoven would appreciate beyond measure my favorite song on this soundtrack. Play with me by extreme that, the guitar solo that's playing while everybody's playing running around. So that's nuno bettencourt from, uh, extreme dude, he can play that solo is ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It is amazing is that the one when they're in the mall. Yep, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, because it kind of sounds like classical almost in the beginning, like real sped up, correct? Yeah?
Speaker 3:well, that was big, I think in the uh what the mid late 80s remember, like malstein and uh oh, wingy, yes, you wing yes, and um what, um steve vi uh, who was the the silver surfer?
Speaker 2:what was big, was that was that by joe satriani surfer? What was big Was that, vai, joe Satriani.
Speaker 1:Joe Satriani. What are you saying was big.
Speaker 2:So Matt is referring to three so far, three what we call guitar virtuosos. Yes, so these guys aren't guys that necessarily belong in bands. Of course, however, steve Vai was in Whitesnake for a bit, and he was also with David Lee Roth.
Speaker 1:He was Guys that are just so good, they can just play on their own.
Speaker 2:So good that I mean these guys playing in a band is is silly, it's, it doesn't make sense. Of course, you just watch these guys play and you watch what their hands can do, and I mean at miraculous, unbelievable speeds, and just the, the movement up and down the neck and crazy stuff that they can do with a guitar. It's, it's like they're weight, they're dumbing themselves down being in a band but it was.
Speaker 3:It was like that classical guitar brought, like you would hear these guys play stuff. It almost seemed like classical music.
Speaker 1:They would play so fast.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes and it just that's what that reminded me of, and I didn't know that was extreme like the that was no, I didn't know that until I looked at the soundtrack.
Speaker 1:I saw it. Or dave mustaine, would you say he's like in that class no, no, it's completely different. No, no not even close?
Speaker 2:hell I wouldn't. I would say that eddie van halen isn't even in that class not with like oh for real, not as technically good as those guys it's a matter of, it's just a matter when you get to that level that you, that they have defined, like they have defined, a level of excellence that is so incredibly hard to achieve their fingers, like, are so quick, and their notes that they're playing are I don't know it's you know when, if these guys have, of course, progressed in their careers and their music has evolved.
Speaker 2:Now, when you listen to these guys play or watch them play, they basically have three guitars moving, with the one that's around their neck and two that are on stands. They're playing like two, three guitars at a time, letting each one reverberate or do whatever but a loop. You're you're hearing sounds that are are not unlike what you would hear in, let's say, 2688, bill and ted world. Here, where it's, it's, it's cosmic, it's, it's very uh I keep coming back to cosmic it's this, it's good, this ethereal sound that these guys get out of these guitars while their fingers are just going bananas on. I'll send some links to you guys. Just give it a few seconds apiece. But it's nuts what these guys can do. Yeah, I'd like to check it out. That's not to say Nuno Betancourt is in that class.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right Back to the extreme.
Speaker 3:but he's pretty goddamn good pretty goddamn good.
Speaker 1:It was really good. It was cool to hear is it true that les claypool tried out for?
Speaker 2:metallica, and they said that he was too good. Yes, at base. I believe I've read that someplace. That's true, okay just because you're talking about virtuoso, that's correct, he did try out for that after cliff burton died yes, after cliff burton died and they said no, because, uh, what's his face is so like caught up on himself james headfield yes, or lars allwork, okay well, lars too but james, yeah, it's basically the the james and and lars show and you know kirk hammett, thanks for joining, and whomever uh trey you, what's his name?
Speaker 1:he used to be the rob rob true hello, that's a trob rob true heel suicidal true heel.
Speaker 3:Yes, he wasn't suicidal tendencies but yeah, they were looking at more guys like that. They don't want another like virtuoso in their band to make everything weird for them, okay. Cause Claypool was already really established.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I like primus.
Speaker 2:So, yeah for sure, all right, last segment, here we go. All other seniors history project presentations are now underway and Bill and Ted are left with everyone stuck in jail. But Napoleon. Bill and Ted hatch a plan and, despite its ridiculousness relative to movie-based common understandings of time travel, they manage to use Ted's dad's keys to release all the historical figures from jail Off. They all go to the history final. One by one, each of the historical figures do their part to make Bill and Ted's history presentation a rousing success. Lo and behold, bill and Ted pass the class. Time passes and we later find Bill and Ted back in the garage lamenting over their inability to play their instruments. Well, rufus arrives with the two historical babes in tow and reveals that the four of them will go on to make incredible music together, which will become the foundation for all of society. Despite the quartet's combined inability to play their instruments with any semblance of decency, rufus assures us that they'll get better they get better.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool that george carlin. Actually I saw him at the strand theater in york I was lucky enough to see him with you.
Speaker 2:I too, saw him at the strand theater in York. I was lucky enough to see him.
Speaker 3:I saw him with you. I too saw him at the Strand Theater in York. Were you there? Yeah With Timmy. Yeah With Timmy, yeah.
Speaker 1:I saw him in.
Speaker 2:York and in New York.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe you were there too. It was probably 97.
Speaker 3:For sure 96 or 97,. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, that is correct.
Speaker 3:yes, that is correct, he got called off stage towards the end of the set and his wife died wow, I don't remember that part yeah I just remember going down there and and, uh, I mean I knew who he was, obviously from this movie and stuff.
Speaker 1:But and and then later on, I mean after seeing him and and telling my dad like that I went to see george. He's like you just got to see george carlin, like how legendary he was he was ahead of his time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was great he was great.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed it. But I thought that was pretty cool to get to see george carlin and then go back and watch this movie after that.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean sandemus high school football rules always, always a good quote. Uh, let's see. So now we've entered yet another. This is where it gets ridiculous the time travel disparities. He steals the keys needed to release the prisoners after the report. This is the thing Bill says to Ted. That's okay, we'll come back and steal the keys. We'll go do the report and we'll come back and steal the keys after the report. We'll find the keys after the report and we'll leave them for ourselves here.
Speaker 3:Where Behind that sign?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't make sense. How could they have done the report if the people are stuck in jail and they get the keys after the report to bring it back, to get the people out?
Speaker 3:you know what I mean well, did they do it at the time where the two bill and ted's met the two bill and ted's, or the first time they?
Speaker 2:met rufus.
Speaker 3:There's so many holes in the time travel well, I'm saying that's the only way that it could possibly make sense what made me laugh.
Speaker 2:They took time to spray paint wild stallions on the on a trash can that magically appears out of nowhere and fell from a magically appearing and that's where it just gets bananas, where they say oh, remember, a trash can bloop, and then there it falls.
Speaker 3:They said in a deleted scene it was a leprechaun that was holding the trash can dropped it on their head. Interesting, no, not at all. Not a bit.
Speaker 2:Not a bit, not a bit real uh, finishing my comments on the soundtrack, the fantastic soundtrack to this film. So the track, the beginning of Bill and Ted's history, final. It's a song called Walk Away by Bricklin. The intro is awesome. The intro is fantastic. The verses are pretty terrible, like just they're slow and weak, but the chorus is replayed. The intro, it's just a great, great chord progression, great. The intro, it's just a great chord progression, great note progression. It's good. It's almost like motivating or inspiring.
Speaker 1:It's quite good. That's the song during the presentation.
Speaker 3:Correct, yes, I didn't really like the soundtrack on this one.
Speaker 1:I didn't know, you really had the soundtrack. I like the extreme song you hate music Matt.
Speaker 3:I do, I really do. No, I wasn't really into the soundtrack, it's just.
Speaker 1:I mean, I wasn't at the time.
Speaker 3:Not one of the better ones for me.
Speaker 1:But I wasn't really into that music then. But I went back and listened to. I was doing a movie. I put it up on Spotify and listened. I'm like, oh, these songs are pretty decent. You know what I mean. It's just like this is a weird time too. This is 89. This is right before the 80s were ending and we're getting into the 90s you were just getting into puberty, yeah people were trying to figure out what they enjoyed listening to Voices cracking Fun facts oh.
Speaker 2:I guess it's about that time. Oh yes, it is. Who's got a fun fact?
Speaker 1:So Keanu Reeves was 22 and Alex Winter was 21 when they filmed this but, like we talked about, they had shelved the movie for two years. So when they had to go do promotion, keanu had to wear like a wig. Uh, his hair was like cut off then and he they get his look back to yeah, when they did stuff like that, okay, okay.
Speaker 3:They said, they did become like really good friends.
Speaker 1:Oh really, yes, during the filming of this Hmm went on to be well, lost Boys was before this Correct, which was established.
Speaker 2:I was mistaken when I thought that this had come out prior, prior to that. Yeah, so it goes.
Speaker 1:But I don't know. I'm trying to think what Alex Winter was in after I know Keanu went on to do a lot of good stuff?
Speaker 2:obviously yeah, keanu had an excellent career.
Speaker 3:Yeah, keanu, really well, they sell to a lot of like high-end uh clients oh really it's him and one other dude and like he's pretty, he knows how to like build motorcycles from like the ground up nice yeah, crazy awesome, he also plays in a band yeah, it's like star dog dog, star dog, star, star evil, evil dog or what's evil dog? Dog star dog from Spaceballs yes, dog star. No, that's Lone Star. Damn it Close enough.
Speaker 2:Fun fact, Napoleon could have been Hitler.
Speaker 1:Yes, I heard about that. It was supposed to be Germany.
Speaker 2:They were supposed to travel back to 1930s or 40s or wherever Germany, and get Hitler and for whatever reason. They said, well, let's just use Napoleon instead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that might've been the two hours.
Speaker 2:Oh, that you say in every place Napoleon with him though in the in earlier versions of the script, napoleon was. Napoleon didn't exist. They went back there. Instead of going to Napoleon first, they went to Hitler first, and Napoleon was never in the in the picture at all. Oh, I got you somehow, some way, they changed it around and got rid of it. I think it would have been just too difficult to coordinate who's to say I wasn't there, I wasn't filming.
Speaker 3:They did try. They released this movie during President's Day around that weekend.
Speaker 1:Try to get that. Abe Lincoln fanatics and stuff.
Speaker 3:Try to get like historical people to be like?
Speaker 2:oh, that sounds fun, check it out. Abe Lincoln fanatics yeah, I guess, I mean I guess they exist.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess they exist. Yeah, there is Sure.
Speaker 1:They go down to Gettysburg, so like they, want to stand where.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they want to stand where, Abe stood.
Speaker 1:So the characters they said dude 70 times and excellent 30 times.
Speaker 2:Dang.
Speaker 1:So if you did a drinking game, you'd probably get pretty wrecked.
Speaker 2:You would get pretty wrecked. We were talking about so you had mentioned that that the original run of this movie was close to two hours or over two hours.
Speaker 1:It was like two hours and 25 minutes or something, I think it was definitely over two.
Speaker 2:So I don't think it was recorded, but there was a scene that was cut from the script that included Bill and Ted helping cavemen. When they go back to 1 million BC they actually helped cavemen discover fire so they could light a joint.
Speaker 1:Wow, they cut that out. Yeah, I think initially. Initially too, they wanted to film this, or when they were coming up with script ideas they were going to go back and cause all the disasters throughout history. That was going to be their time travel, like the titanic. Uh, you know anything you can think of through history. It was like their fault they went back and disrupted it, but they thought that might be a little dark, so they came up with this whole idea it sounds dark yeah, yeah, there was a Doctor who film series or TV series, and the phone booth from Bill and Ted was used in a couple episodes of Doctor who.
Speaker 3:Oh, for real Wait really.
Speaker 2:Yes, so the red phone booth was used with the blue TARDIS. Yes, really. What about that?
Speaker 3:Yes, it's a fun fact.
Speaker 1:If you look up fun factuals.
Speaker 3:I think it's out of 45 fun facts Holy that's amazeballs.
Speaker 2:I had no idea I got to look that up. I just want to watch the episodes.
Speaker 3:My second vehicle is a TARDIS.
Speaker 1:Nice, there also was an animated series, correct. And a live action series, and I don't remember either of them.
Speaker 3:I'm sure Zach remembers. I remember the cartoon.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the live action, but I remember the cartoon. It was a short-lived, it was one season.
Speaker 1:That was it, yep.
Speaker 2:Okay, fun fact, ted could have been. Now this is Keanu Reeves. Could have been Pauly Shore or Gary Riley.
Speaker 1:Who's that?
Speaker 2:Gary Riley was. He played Dave of Chainsaw and Dave fame in summer school.
Speaker 1:I love that movie.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, do the dance for me. Baby and leather faces. I love that. I'd love to do that one. I want to stick to this list. Fan list.
Speaker 3:The filmmakers originally wanted Steve Vai to play the role of guitar playing Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Stevie Vai, that would have been a good get.
Speaker 2:Heck yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, so the original script had this as a 69 Chevy van for the time machine and then they changed it to the phone booth because they thought it was too close to like a DeLorean.
Speaker 3:Wasn't that the original movie? It was like the time the something van.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the name of it was also something different, something with a van in it yeah, like two guys in a time traveling van maybe it was something like that it was something like that, and since the DeLorean had stolen the thunder for having a four wheel vehicle as the time machine, they said okay, we're going to ditch the idea of the van, we're going to do something else. Fun fact Bill could have been now this is Alex Winters character. Could have been again Gary Riley, the blonde, the blonde Dave from summer school River Phoenix, sean Penn or Brendan Fraser oh, encino, man Encino.
Speaker 3:Man, he won an Academy Award for playing that big fat guy.
Speaker 1:I want to see that. The Whale is a pretty good movie. It's pretty decent, the Whale, the Whale.
Speaker 3:I got some. He plays a big fat guy. I to see that the whale was a pretty good movie. It's pretty decent, the whale, the whale I got some.
Speaker 1:Uh, he plays a big fat guy I got some coulda wouldas, you know, for the uh, for the part of rufus correct.
Speaker 2:What do you?
Speaker 1:got. I got ringo star yep. Roger daughtry yep wait, I thought that was a ringo star yeah, it looked like him roger daughtry, sean connery and charlie sheen.
Speaker 3:Oh, there was roger daughtry is from the who, that's the lead singer, whatever, okay, he plays a mean pinball he does.
Speaker 2:Now there was charlie sheen. Just throw that one away. That doesn't make sense. No, but there was. I would like to see who was that?
Speaker 1:it wasn't me. I don't think. Maybe it was me, I don't know there was one more, that didn't, that's actually like katie perry I'm not sure if you're cutting that or not.
Speaker 2:What, katie perry?
Speaker 1:no, the the predator sound that came out of somebody's throat yeah should leave that in there why not?
Speaker 2:no, that was good, that was good so, in addition to everyone you just mentioned, again, charlie sheen should have been thrown away, so you had ringo star, roger daltrey, sean connery, charlie sheen, there was one more. Who was it? Chap eddie van halen oh shit yeah, he was supposed he was. He was the the first thought out of the the director's mind. He wanted to get eddie van halen, but he was too expensive eddie.
Speaker 1:I think, eddie, you're right. I did hear about that and I think he said after that he would have done it. Yeah, which is crazy why didn't?
Speaker 2:they just ask Alex his agent just came up with a price that was just too much, so they said okay oh so okay, it was the money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 3:Van Halen was making coin back then man, sure.
Speaker 2:So this was already Van Hagar at the time, even 87, 87. So yeah, they were 51. 50 had come out. They were riding high.
Speaker 1:Yes, they were so in the original script, uh, one of the historical figures was babe ruth. Yep, that would have been cool to see. You guys have other ones, or?
Speaker 2:I'm all fun fact down babe ruth.
Speaker 3:That would have been played by um the guy john goodman.
Speaker 1:John goodman yeah, he could have played because he did the movie yeah the different years this takes place 2688, 1988, 1805, 1879, 410 BC, the 1400s, 1901, 1810, 1429, 1209, 1863 and 1 1 billion.
Speaker 3:1 billion. 1 million BC.
Speaker 1:1 million yeah billion with a B yeah, like Matt referenced the t-shirt, it was from the why Can't this Be Loved? Tour, the single that was from the tour, the 5150 tour.
Speaker 3:I never liked Hagar man.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:You're a racist. I like him. How could you hate Van Hagar?
Speaker 3:Tell me why I can't you didn't like that song.
Speaker 1:No, I wasn't even in there and I liked that.
Speaker 3:And then the can you take me with a high yeah?
Speaker 1:No, that wasn't him, was it? Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, take me higher the name of the song is higher. I thought that was damn Yankees or something.
Speaker 3:No, can you take me higher? Was damn Yankees, higher as a that was a van Hagar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, great ones are hovering above a miniature circle case door. Oh, that's awesome and I didn't notice that but I have the DVD. So it's like grainy. You know what I mean. Um, like I talked about the war and peace in the background. That was from 1956. That's the Napoleon scene. And, uh, you would think feet fitting nine people in a phone booth would be impossible. Do you know what the world record is?
Speaker 2:37, I'm guessing more than nine yes, 25, holy shit yeah, how do you do that?
Speaker 3:I don't know, that'd be cool to see, though I think it's, they hold that event like every year in england, or something don't they do that?
Speaker 1:yeah, and they might.
Speaker 3:I don't know, but I read something about them like smithsonian. I think there's like a yearly event in england that they try like to fit as many people as they can in a phone booth yeah, I really enjoy this movie for the historical side, but it's not as good as it was when I was younger for sure. Historical side. This is where you get near facts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, I'm talking about, I'm into the history part of things now.
Speaker 1:I would have been more into like, oh, that's Genghis Khan. Let's say, I just listened to a podcast about Genghis Khan, which a couple months ago, and there was a cool story in the podcast I listened to about it this Persian. He was a messenger for a Persian king this is during the time of Genghis Khan and the Mongols and he sent them to it was like at the time, modern day China, but it was like the Jing Dynasty it was called. There was a city right on the water and he said this Persian messenger. He said go check out, see what's going on in this city, like what's going on there, and write about it and bring it back and let us know what's going on. So he sent them there and this guy wrote in his journal as they're coming up on the shore, he saw snow-capped mountains and he was like, wow, like snow-capped mountains here at this city, they get closer.
Speaker 1:He gets up and starts walking towards this mountain, the, the ground's real like wet, swampy and wet and all that and as they get closer he realizes that's not snow, it's bones. So jangis khan went and wiped out the entire city and piled the bones and all the all the muck that he was walking in was the fluids from the bodies nice so he went back and was like once you're able to smell that like pre-walk.
Speaker 3:Well, he did.
Speaker 1:He did as he's walking, he could smell and he he ever step and he's like it was a horrible smell. As he got closer he noticed that's not snow, that's bone, that's amazing. So that was a gang. It's con.
Speaker 3:They went in and the 50,000 people in this city, wiping them all out.
Speaker 1:He was wild this movie is crazy. But yeah, back when I saw this movie, I didn't know who Genghis Khan was, or Genghis Khan.
Speaker 2:Really, he's a sucker for a Twinkie.
Speaker 1:I heard the name, but I didn't know anything really about him, so that's like that type stuff.
Speaker 1:And I mean the other figures are pretty well known. But yeah, I thought that was a wild story, but at any rate, as an adult this movie didn't hit so like. I guess it's a time where we'll get into our uh yep, late fee return or burn yep, uh, for me back then I'm late feeing it because I loved it. Now I'm probably just going to return it. You know, I don't even know. I might even burn this one.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I never burned no I mean, it was like it was a tough watch. It was hard to get through an older age. It's a tough watch it didn't, it didn't have that.
Speaker 1:I mean it's silly, it's a silly movie, but it's not.
Speaker 2:It is this reminds me of this. I think was one of the the last. This was the sign that the the silliness of 80s movies was was on its way out. Like there was sillies galore. There was the three amigos, there was even ghostbusters don't put this in with the three amigos.
Speaker 3:I'm saying okay, it's so far just making a silly movie.
Speaker 2:This was just the. This, to me, was the the last bastion of 80s silly movies at the time. I don't know. I think I would have returned it and I would return it now. I'm not going to burn it, but I'm not going to late for it. I agree.
Speaker 3:I agree with zap. I'd return it. Even, like I said, I don't really remember how you guys are remembering this from being young. I don't really. I remember the slogans, the phrases, but I don't really remember like watching this movie, being like, oh, that was great, like Bill and Ted are cool this is one, like I said, that summer. I just remember watching it over and over and over again same same, same same much like Die Hard was there any like Bill and Ted's like t-shirts out or anything? Was there anything? Was there sure?
Speaker 1:there was, but yeah, I mean it was like I said, it was definitely for me, eighth grade going into ninth, which, when I looked at the release date, that makes sense. If it's february, this probably hit uh, like hbo and all that and video rental, probably by that summer and uh, that would have been the time that, you know, I, I would have been watching this and I remember my buddy Josh, we'd watch it over and over again. Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:I wasn't into that. No, you're off.
Speaker 2:Dave, you were seventh, going into eighth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this was 89, february 89. So, oh, you're right, seventh going into eighth.
Speaker 3:Because 90, 91. So 89, 90, 90.
Speaker 1:You're right. Okay, so that makes. That makes sense, then. For some reason I was thinking that you're right though.
Speaker 3:I just, I just remember people wearing like a Looney Tunes stuff where they're like like rappers.
Speaker 1:That was a, that was like a little bit later Nineties.
Speaker 3:Was that 80,?
Speaker 1:89.
Speaker 2:Now, dave, not to take away from that for the last few years, let's call it for middle school, what some people call middle school on. But for like fifth through eighth grade, all of those summers were the same. I mean that summer didn't hit really until going into ninth grade, at least for you two, when you had double days or triple days for freshman football.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that summer would have been blonde ambition eighth going in.
Speaker 2:Matt and I met at.
Speaker 1:Hershey Park we went. Remember those girls.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Madonna blonde ambition tour. They had the t-shirts on Nice. So yeah, you're right, I would have been a year earlier, so I was even younger then.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 13 probably, so yeah.
Speaker 3:I remember a friend of mine went to Hershey Park, I think eighth going into ninth grade, and we met, I think eighth going into ninth grade and we met, uh, there were these two girls like hanging out. We saw him on, like those little we would go on those little kiss rides and look down so you would see and they go, hey, hey, wait there, wait there. And we called her like the one girl. We called her Asian persuasion.
Speaker 1:And the other girl.
Speaker 3:We called her big booty assassin.
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 3:I read eighth grade. Yeah, they were nice. They were really nice girls Good times, good times.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, we'll be back. Our next Vintage Cinema Review. We're going to go back to the list and we all agreed, right, you guys cool with that Sure do.
Speaker 3:Yes, we do.
Speaker 1:So it looks like the next one up is going to be War Games Now.
Speaker 3:Matt, were you a PC guy back then? Politically correct, yes, a PC guy.
Speaker 2:That's been PC his whole career that was PC before there was PC.
Speaker 1:Right, so we'll have to pick your brain on that stuff.
Speaker 3:No, I do. The PC guys, yeah, would be like. I remember going over to the Colonel's house and he was like the first kid I knew that had a computer that would have these crazy games on it. And I know Zap, over there they would play these games. This is the most coolest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm sure stricker 64 will come up. Oh, it could, we'll see. Yeah, so tune in for that. We'll be back with that. And then, obviously, a true crime in between. And uh, let us know how you're liking the show. We have that new fan mail. Hit that up. Don't forget to find our socials old dirty basement on instagram and facebook. That's ol apostrophe, like, like zap says. And uh, on tiktok at old dirty basement podcast. And you guys got anything else that's it.
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