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Solo Steve - Paranormal Investigations with Phil Ianazzo
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Ever wonder what happens when the body dies? Or why some spirits seem to linger in certain places? On today's show, we step into the shoes of Phil Ianazzo, founder of the Merrimack Valley Paranormal Society. Growing up in Wakefield, Massachusetts, with a cemetery in his backyard, Phil's childhood was anything but ordinary. We explore how this unique upbringing shaped Phil's curiosity for the paranormal and delve into his first chilling encounter with the spiritual realm.
Phil leads us on an intriguing journey, one filled with EVPs, Ouija boards, and pendulums, sharing his ghost hunting techniques and the significance of using them correctly. We follow him on his most memorable trips to the East State Penitentiary, the Tenney Gate House, and Gettysburg, and shed light on the incredible history of the Jenny Wade House. Phil's captivating stories not only draw you in but provide an entirely new perspective on understanding the world beyond our own.
Brace yourselves for an eye-opening conversation on the difference between physical and mental visions, the impact of energy on paranormal activity, and the subtle nuances of dealing with hauntings. Phil's experiences remind us of the importance of intuition and trusting our gut instincts. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, the compelling tales from Phil's paranormal investigations are sure to ignite a spark of curiosity and leave you with a newfound understanding of the energies that inhabit our world. So, sit back, relax, and join us in this riveting conversation with Phil Ianazzo.
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Hey everybody, this is Steve Blair with the Steve Blair podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Today's guest the founder of the AmeriMagBallee Paranormal Society. So you know what that means. We got some what I would call maybe kind of scary stories. People might relate a little differently to you, but whatever you think, it's definitely interesting and it's worth your time. Thank you very much for listening. Here we go, all right. This is Steve with Phil Ionazo. Hello everyone, did I say it right? Yes, sir, all right, and Phil is the founder of the AmeriMagBallee Paranormal Society. That's correct. Is that correct? That is, and when did you found the AmeriMagBallee Paranormal Society 1991. Oh, so it's been a long time.
Speaker 2It's been a long time.
Speaker 1All right. We've been at it for a while. Wow, so Phil is from Wakefield, massachusetts Originally, sir, so you're local, right, yes, sir, and we'll get into the different things you've been into in your life, but right now we'll talk about some of the different things you're doing with the Paranormal Society. So you found it in 1991, so that's been a while, and what well? Let me ask you this what made you want to found it?
Speaker 2Well, it's funny. As a child growing up in Wakefield, my only window in my bedroom overlooked the cemetery. So it was kind of morbid curiosity, I guess yeah, For lack of a better word where sometimes you're just looking out your window as a kid and you're looking into the cemetery and maybe your mind's playing tricks on you or maybe it's just your imagination, but you feel like you saw things or whatever. And as I got older I was curious about basically is there life after death?
Speaker 1What happens?
Speaker 2when the body dies, does the soul can carry on in the capsule which is the body, just lays to rest. And what happens. What causes people to say, all right, my house is haunted, or I keep hearing messages from my loved ones. Is this true or is this something that people are just making up? And then, as I got older, I started researching and started seeing there was more people like myself and I figured it's a good hobby to have.
Speaker 1Wow.
Speaker 2It's something to occupy your time.
Speaker 1Well, it sounds like it might even be a little more than that, right, it sounds like you have. It definitely goes beyond that.
Speaker 2It started off more as I guess a hobby, yep.
Speaker 1No, I get it.
Speaker 2I get a lot more than that because of taking my experiences, or my, I guess, experiences to another level, spiritually mind-wise and paranormal-wise, I guess.
Speaker 1So how old were you when you first started having this feeling that maybe there was more than just you looking at a cemetery?
Speaker 2It was walking by the cemetery, maybe coming home from a friend's house when it was kind of dusk or whatever, and feeling like you weren't alone. So I would say, at a fairly young age, maybe between 12, 14, again, maybe it was just my imagination or it's a cemetery, but if you think about a cemetery, the body never died in the cemetery, the body died elsewhere. It's just the final resting place is the cemetery. So for a cemetery to be haunted, or to have paranormal activity.
Speaker 2It would have to be some really strong energies to create that which the cemetery is on a lake, and water does create a lot of energy, so that's important. Knowing when you're investigating paranormal to see what causes more energy, the more energy that's there whether it's running water, moonlight, anything like that. It creates more energy.
Speaker 1It does.
Speaker 2Which the spirits feed off of, because it's energy. They need the energy during the day to absorb it. That's why a lot of paranormal activity happens at night, because everybody's running around during the day creating all this energy, and then at nighttime everybody settles down, so the energy is less and now all these energies have absorbed this energy, and now they're actually exhuming that energy and doing what they have to do, whether it's talk to a loved one or haunt somebody.
Speaker 1Oh wow. So it's not so much because it's dark.
Speaker 2No, no, no, but it. I mean it's because everything slows down. If you're running around busy on your day and say your house is haunted and you're not thinking about it and you're doing this and you're on your phone and you're doing computer work and you just focused on what you're doing and there's things going on.
Speaker 2You're not noticing it because you're too focused on what's going on. But now, at nighttime, you sit down and you watch TV. You're eating dinner sitting down, reading a book or whatever. Then all of a sudden you start picking up on like what's this noise? What's going?
Speaker 1on here. Wait, what's causing that? Why that door open?
Speaker 2You know it's and that's the energy that that absorbed during the day, it gets released at night.
Speaker 1Interesting.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Interesting. Can you remember what was your first experience?
Speaker 2Yeah, I can.
Speaker 1You want to talk about it.
Speaker 2Yeah, sure, I used to go walk through the cemetery because it was on the lake and I used to love fishing when I was younger and I was fishing one day and whatnot? It was probably close to dusk and you know when back back then I'm not a young guy, you know mom's like come home and streetlights come on Right. Oh yeah, there's no streetlights in the cemetery, so I'm not thinking, I'm fishing, I'm having a grand old time.
Speaker 1Yep.
Speaker 2Next thing. I know it's pretty dark out now. No cell phones, no pagers, no nothing. Now I get to walk through the cemetery, turn around and there's somebody standing behind me. Get out of here.
Speaker 1Was it a real person?
Speaker 2No, no. I looked around, looked up, saw somebody Turned back, turned back again gone really Claire's day really Claire's day, gentlemen. You know, dressed nice clothing Could see through him. You know, I could tell he was dressed. But I mean I, you know Sharp dressed man, could see through him but could also see what he was wearing and everything else. Really, I don't think my feet hit the ground when I wow cemetery.
Speaker 1Did you feel like you just kind of just?
Speaker 2didn't tell us all you scared the shit, I just ran home like, like my feet didn't even touch the ground really didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 1And do you think you were 12 to 14?
Speaker 2I would say probably more like 13, 14. Okay yeah, because that was more like the time where you know I could you know yeah, a little bit past when I was supposed to be. Oh yeah, so yeah but yeah, and then it just progressively. You know I feel like I got locked into it. You know it's kind of that one. You know you're you're not a believer. To you see, it seems believing.
Speaker 1So everybody's like.
Speaker 2I don't believe in that. I don't believe that well, when you see it, you'll believe it.
Speaker 1So then, once you see it, it opens up the mind to like what's going on, like there is other things here.
Speaker 2There is life after death.
Speaker 1What is happening here? What is causing this?
Speaker 2I'm not you know, I'm a 14 year old kid.
Speaker 1I'm not, you know, I'm not on drugs, I'm not you know I'm saying it's like that's a heavy thing for a 14 year old kid.
Speaker 2It is it is, it's heavy, it is heavy, it is heavy, and again it's like you know. And now, now, of course, now there's a window that looks into the cemetery. It's literally right across the street. So now I'm in, out there. Now I almost got obsessed with it. Yep, you know what I'm saying. And as I grew older, you know, I, you know research, but back then there wasn't a lot going on. There was not a lot to research. I mean, the internet was just coming into.
Speaker 2Yeah, there was nothing it was no internet or anything like that, but it was. It was crazy, wow, the librarian looking up things and stuff like that.
Speaker 1So you're fishing, yeah, and you go to go home and you see this dude, yeah, dressed up nice.
Speaker 2I mean like, yeah, I mean like he was like he, like he was going to work somewhere.
Speaker 1Really yeah. Was there any kind of interchange between the two of you? It was just your song.
Speaker 2It was pure panic on my part.
Speaker 1Really yeah. Do you think he was trying to to communicate with you in any way?
Speaker 2I honestly think he was watching me fish. I think he was hoping I caught a fish.
Speaker 1Wow, wow. So he wasn't intimidating you?
Speaker 2No, I don't think so, and I feel like when he saw that I was panicked which. I truly was panicked. I think he's like I'm out of here.
Speaker 1Oh, so he didn't that was it? Yeah, I think you know he didn't like do anything Affirmative to you, I think he was just.
Speaker 2maybe he was a fisherman himself, maybe he enjoyed, you know, maybe he had grandkids or something.
Speaker 1I don't know.
Speaker 2Wow, and that's the thing it's like. I mean, I feel like Very rarely hauntings like I feel like TV right now doesn't do the paranormal justice right now, because everything's evil right, you know, yeah, you're right all these ones, you see, like this, like all this evil, this entity was a demon. It's demonic. It's like, come on, I mean, have we come across Bad entities? Yes, demonic, I don't think so. Okay, you know, malevolent maybe, yep, but demonic, I don't think so you do you?
Speaker 1I'm gonna circle back a few times, but that's fine, but do you feel, just on the line you're talking that most of the times that maybe it seems problematic. I mean, I don't know, is more like just people, just Somebody's just trying to have a good time and trying to bust, bust shops, or how do you possibly?
Speaker 2Possibly, but I also feel like bad energy Creates bad, bad energy creates bad energy.
Speaker 1What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2as far as, if you're if, like, people are Having negative energy, it's gonna draw negative entities. Okay, it's gonna draw, like you know, negative people draw negative People. Yep, negative energy draws negative things. That makes sense.
Speaker 1So if it's, right.
Speaker 2So if it's, if it's negative, or if you feel, if you're a negative, person, then Negative things are gonna happen. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1Yep. So it's, you know, you know positivity in.
Speaker 2Life in anything breeds positivity.
Speaker 1Yep. So keep things positive, you know. Keep things, you know, not everything's bad and evil.
Speaker 2You know, is there evil out there? Of course there is. Yep, you know. But I mean I've honestly thank God, I've never come across anything demonic or evil. You never have Maybe with bad intentions, but I wouldn't call it evil. Okay, I you know there's a difference. I mean evil is like. I mean I would say, there was, you know, bad intentions yes, evil no.
Speaker 1So you've never been George C Scott from the exorcist? No, you never come across anything like that. I never want to. I would, I would either.
Speaker 2Never want to, I wouldn't either. I would neither. There was one time that we went to a place and Was out in New.
Speaker 1Hampshire Of course I'm not gonna give names or anything.
Speaker 2Yeah, but we pulled out to the house and it was just. You could just feel the darkness.
Speaker 1Really, oh, you just from the drive just from the drive.
Speaker 2As soon as you pulled in, you could feel the darkness and I'm like I'm not going in there.
Speaker 1Did you say you didn't go in?
Speaker 2Nope, I called the woman. She came outside and I gave her a number. I said you call this woman. She's gonna take care of you. She's gonna give you some prayers. You're gonna have to buy some supplies, sage Stuff like that. You're gonna get some prayers. She's gonna walk you through your prayers. You're gonna bless your house. It needs to be blessed. I am not the guy for that job. That's above the realm of fill.
Speaker 2Oh, wow that's not what I do. Wow, you know, I'll. I'll tell you. If your house is haunted, I'll get in contact with your loved ones and you know, tell them that they're all right. But I'm not. I'm not battling evil.
Speaker 1Wow. So if somebody did contact you right, which um I'll give a, can I give you your email address?
Speaker 2Absolutely.
Speaker 1Absolutely, it's so you're. You're the founder of the Merrimack Valley Paranormal Society, that's correct. And your email address is Merrimack M E R R I M a C K, merrimack, yep, and then it's VPS, vps, merrimack, vps, at gmailcom. That's good, somebody wanted to contact you. So somebody did contact you and they said hey, listen, I think there's there's an entity in my house. So if they contacted you, what's the next step? So it's.
Speaker 2it's funny, there's an interview process, basically okay, you know you have to feel these people out Yep? Are they on drugs?
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2I mean, are they? You know substance, you know? Are they addicted to some kind of substance?
Speaker 1You know it's all process, so they might be hearing things or seeing things because of something besides. Yeah.
Speaker 2And it's, I mean, just like anything. Did they tell you the truth? Not all the time, but do this whole process you go through like okay, how long so you? Have like an intake process. Yeah, of course I'm not just gonna be sure. I'm like, hey, we'll take care of it. Yep, no, I want. I want to know you, I want to know what you're about. Yeah, you know what so?
Speaker 1what is the process?
Speaker 2It's basically a conversation like I'm having with you, whether it's over the phone or maybe Over a cup of coffee somewhere. Yep and just like, tell me about yourself. What's going on, what has happened? You?
Speaker 1know are you like?
Paranormal Investigations and Equipment
Speaker 2you know what would it? What do you like to do when you're? You know you spare time and you know people talk. You know what do you mean. It's like they give you their information that you know, you know you know, I like to you know I like to have a good time and the sat in the other. And so when does a lot of this paranormal activity happen? Usually at night, on Friday nights or Saturday nights, and then you're like all right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1It's all right, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2I mean if they come full with with evidence, photos, you know, videos, even EVPs, and it's like all right. Well, that's a different thing, you know but it's, it's an interview process. It's you gotta, you gotta be you gotta be careful on where you're going and who you're going with. I mean we don't do it alone. There's, there's a group of us that go there.
Speaker 1All right, you know.
Speaker 2So there's a good, you know, I got a good, good crew. Do yeah, you know, cuz someone's always not available. Yeah, so you know at least three or four people that a whack is a good is a good. It's a good group to have. You don't want too many people because in this contamination and there's too much going on.
Speaker 1What is? What is EVP?
Speaker 2Electric voice phenomenon.
Speaker 1Okay, and what does that mean?
Speaker 2So we use voice recorders like you would record yourself, like taking notes on your cell phone or whatever, and you press play and you ask questions and it answers over the Recording waves so it's like they you may not hear in your ears, but the sensitivity of the recorder picks up the voices that you can't hear with your ear. Sometimes you hear them with your ears and you also pick them up in the recorder to really yeah, so that must be something that's yeah.
Speaker 1So you have heard live. Have you heard live? Yes, and how do you classify it? Is it an entity? How do you call it if you're, if you're interacting in some way?
Speaker 2If you're having a full-blown interaction, I mean you don't always like you when you have a full-blown interaction. There's other other equipment that we use that. I mean we're, we're not like we're not like ghost hunters on TV that have all this funding, that can have all these absolutely insane you know products you know made for them and give it to them. We're you know we're hard workers and you know we don't, so we don't have crazy stuff like they have.
Speaker 2But we have your, your voice recorders, digital digital voice recorders. We use tape voice recorders to. We have the little tapes.
Speaker 1Yep cuz it's just a different, like a dictaphone thing.
Speaker 2Oh, just like, like a Cassette tape okay so cuz it's different frequencies, so some some pick up different frequencies where the look you? Know, the regular voice recorder will pick up a higher frequency and the tape recorder will pick up a lower frequency.
Speaker 2That maybe is too low for the the you know the regular high the high-end voice recorder to pick up. So and then we do, you know, infrared cameras. We do like. We do stuff like strobe lights where, like you send strobes and if something breaks the beams, like if, like a shadow goes through with, like this beam is broken and this real as possible entity. You know, on-premises and stuff like that.
Speaker 1You know and mostly you know infrared cameras and just basic recording.
Speaker 2I got. I do have a thermal imaging camera which you know does he frequencies and stuff like that which I can record from which I can plug right in, which was pretty expensive but that was donated to us by flare imaging, which was nice.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, so you have a flier camera. Yep F I, f, l I.
Speaker 2R Yep right.
Speaker 1That's correct, okay.
Speaker 2That's all the all, the all the big guys use them. Yeah, wow, that worked for him and he got him to donate one to me, which was nice.
Speaker 1So the people that are in your society, yeah, they, they. Generally there must be all kind of volunteers, yeah every small, intense right. So these are people that are just very interested in this just like you, right exactly. So somebody contacts you, you have an intake process with them. Yep, out of that process let's say, out of 10, 10 people that contact you, how many times you think you actually go out to investigate? 50% okay, so it's. It's actually not that low.
Speaker 2No, it's not that low 50%. Okay, you know it's it's it's pretty good. It's a pretty good, it's a pretty good ratio. Covid really put a damper on it. I would imagine just because, obviously for obvious reasons. But it's, it's picking up again.
Speaker 1Yep.
Speaker 2But it's, it's something that you know, you know we can't have people in your house when people are worried about COVID right.
Speaker 1You know it's now. They don't know. You know what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 2you know, so it's definitely put a damper on it.
Speaker 1Wow, all right, and so then is it generally People's homes, or is?
Speaker 2it, we've done factory buildings really we've done buildings in Lawrence, factory buildings Awesome, awesome, like old mill buildings yeah. Oh yeah, we've done people's homes with. We've done, we've been to East and state penitentiary.
Speaker 1Oh, and is that in Philadelphia it?
Speaker 2is. I mean we had to pay a fee to get there, but it was well worth it. Was it Gettysburg. We hit Gettysburg on that same trip. It is Bro. Gettysburg was amazing Really. So it's mostly. It's mostly like when I get phone calls it's mostly people's homes.
Speaker 1Yep.
Speaker 2You know we've done like the Tenney gate house in Mathun and stuff. Really yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1So so somebody calls you, you go out and investigate and you have this different equipment that you use, right, and how long does the process take before you can make a determination generally?
Speaker 2Sometimes we'll go through a whole investigation. You know, we obviously start at night and we go through a whole investigation and we're like we didn't find anything. But then we go back and listen to the recordings or watch the video and then like oh, look at that, oh, listen to this, then you find it. It's you know, it's like fishing you either catch something or you don't catch something. Yep, just because you don't catch something doesn't mean the fish out there Just didn't happen to be your night.
Speaker 1No, no, that's a good way of putting it, yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, and you know we like to we like to. Have the spirits of the entities come to us. They like to kind of sit in one spot for a while. You know, put out our instruments, let our cameras roll, have a conversation and see what happens. You know, nothing happens like fishing we move on to the next spot. You know cause they'll find us before we find them.
Speaker 1Really yeah. So when you say have a conversation, what do you mean by that? Just like me and you were having a conversation, right now maybe talking like hey, you know, is there anybody here?
Speaker 2So what do you? Want to say Anything to us. Can we help anybody? My name's Phil. This is Steve. We had to help you. We had to you know, pass on information to your loved ones, your friends and your family, if you want to speak to us. You can speak into this device sitting on the table here. Let us know what you need and we're here to help.
Speaker 2We're not going to hurt you. You know we're not going to do anything. We're not going to try to get you out of this home or anything. It's not what we do. We find the problem. There's a problem, Someone else can fix it.
Speaker 1So do you find that the responses you get? Is it that there's a problem or they're just there?
Speaker 2A lot of times they're just there.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2They were there before you and they'll be there after you. Yeah.
Speaker 1You know, maybe it was their home, maybe they work there.
Speaker 2And they don't you know a lot of times, too, they're trying to get a message through to somebody, and maybe that's what our job is to find that message and pass it on to someone.
Speaker 1Is there any common theme to that or do you find it just the spectrum all different?
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Speaker 2types of things. I find it all different types of things. I just do. I just think it's just interesting, you know, and it's funny because we've worked with other groups and we've worked with psychics and stuff like that, and everybody has their own take on something. Yeah, you know it's there you know, which is great, because that's the thing. There's no, let's call it an SOP, there's no standard operating procedure for ghost hunting. You know what I mean? It's whatever works for you, you know so-and-so you know, ghost people may do something a different way.
Speaker 2We may do it a different way too, but let's combine our two together and see what happens.
Speaker 1So there's no yeah.
Speaker 2I mean, it is what it is, it's how, whatever works for you. Okay, you know whatever works best for you, whatever gives you the best result, is how you wanna do something.
Speaker 1When you let's say you're interacting, so let's, so I guess again, I've never done any other stuff you've done Sounds super interesting. I'd like to actually go sometime. We'll take you with us. I'd love that Absolutely. Let's say you go and there's something interacting with you. Okay, Right, once they start interacting with you, do you try to get additional information? How does that work?
Speaker 2Absolutely. I use a pendulum a lot, which you know.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, explain it, Explain what that means.
Speaker 2So a pendulum is basically you know, of chained with a weighted ball. On the end it comes to a point and it's moved by energy. We say circular motion is yes, back and forth is no. So we talk to an entity of this, somebody here. Can you please move this pendulum Circle? No, back and forth Circle. Yes, I'm sorry, back and forth no. So we start that way Once we make contact, then we can proceed. Okay, there's something here. Let's proceed with a different type of product to see what we can get.
Speaker 2Let's try to get them to interact with us and have more of a conversation, Because yes and no you know, all you can do with a pendulum is get basically a yes or no.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2So then we either use a Ouija board, you know, or we will try to get EVPs. We'll always have EVPs running because you always want all the information you can get possibly. So then you maybe use a Ouija board, which I don't recommend unless you really know what you're doing with it.
Speaker 1Why do you say that? Can it be dangerous to use it if you don't know what you're doing?
Speaker 2I consider a Ouija board like a chainsaw If you don't know what you're doing, you're gonna hurt yourself. There's a way to open the board.
Speaker 1There's a way to close the board.
Speaker 2It needs to be done properly.
Speaker 1Now, you did that with me. I did that when you came to my house, that's correct, and it was awesome. I loved it and you had a whole process that you went through. You did this whole thing with the burning of the wood. You had a whole process, which I'm sure all means something, of course, right? It's the burning of the wood was the.
Speaker 2Palo Santo, which is a holy wood from Israel, from the Holy Land. So you burn that which is like sage. So it protects you, it protects your house, it protects everybody around you from any negativity. And then you proceed, you open the board. You say we're gonna open this Ouija board. We'd like any positive entities to come join us. Negative entities are not welcomed. And then we have the wood going, we can leave the wood burning.
Speaker 1We put it out. I think we put it out.
Speaker 2Right, it is potent smell. It's a wonderful smell.
Speaker 1I like the smell. Actually, I burned it because you left it. I burned it once in a while. Yeah, you should.
Speaker 2I bought more of it. Yeah, you should burn it, every you should. It's fantastic In each room, each corner of your room and everything else you wanna purify your house.
Speaker 1Does it mean this Also? It actually does that. I did it just for the smell.
Speaker 2I like the smell. That's fine too.
Speaker 1Yeah, but it so it actually has that kind of property to it. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Speaker 2You know when you're lighting it, you can be like any negative energy that's here. You're not welcome.
Speaker 1Maybe crack a window and like there's your exit, please leave. You know.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1So, yeah, you open the board you proceed with your information and then you close the board. You say we're leaving now, all entities that are with us please leave.
Speaker 2You may go back to where you came from, but you're not welcome to stay here, and then we're gonna close the board and then you close the board, that's okay.
Speaker 1So cause a lot of people probably think and I was one of them, you know, being honest, the Ouija board's just like playing Monopoly. But after we did our thing and there was, you know, other people from my family here I had an understanding. It's not just a board game, no, no, there's more to it.
Speaker 2It's correct. You know, you need to be focused, you need to have positive energy, you need to be focused at the task at hand, which is contacting the afterlife. And you know, for example, my wife bought me a cutting board. Okay, that's a Ouija board.
Speaker 1Oh really.
Speaker 2Yeah, you know, comes out of Halloween. I like to leave it out a little longer, but she puts it away.
Speaker 1Yep, I can actually make it work. Really yeah.
Speaker 2I can make it work, and it's a cutting board. It's not even, oh, it's a Ouija board, but it's a cutting board. I can actually make it work Wow. And it's kind of bizarre because it's glass and when something slides over it just makes this eerie noise.
Speaker 1Really, yeah, so your first experience with this type of thing was when you were doing that fishing. Is that when you, at that age, did you have the understanding that you had that ability? When did you say listen, I think I might actually have some sort of ability here, or I might have at least the ability to do something.
Speaker 2It was probably when I was a little old, or probably 18, 19, when I was out of friends' house and I saw his mom who passed away, Get out of here, really Yep, so tell me about it. So I've never met the woman before. I've known the kid when obviously it was just him and his dad and one day I'm like hey, Mike and I described his mom.
Speaker 1So tell me. So you were at his house.
Speaker 2At his house.
Speaker 1So where were you when you think you saw her?
Speaker 2We were downstairs, basically in his room, in the basement room, finished basement hanging out.
Speaker 1Okay. So I'm like I'm looking, I'm like all right, I know.
Speaker 2Mike's mom's passed away. I've never seen a female head before and I'm like, hey, Mike, I'm gonna describe somebody to you. You tell me who this is.
Speaker 1So were you sitting with him? Were you in the same room with him when this happened?
Speaker 2Literally like he was basically where you are and I was facing this way and she was basically in the doorway and you were in a regular-sized room. Yeah, big basement. Well, a big basement, yeah, okay, so you, were in a finished basement, so it was a good-sized room.
Speaker 1How far away was this thing, this woman, when he thought you saw her? 15 feet, so not too far.
Speaker 2No, close enough. Yeah, like you know so you could describe her oh, I described her to a T In his face was shocked and all Get out of here.
Speaker 1Wow, so you saw her.
Speaker 2You just described my mother and you've never met my mother.
Speaker 1Was she just? Was she trying to communicate with you? Was she just looking at you? I think she was just there. Was she just there?
Speaker 2She was just there, she just watching over her husband and her son. He was the only son.
Speaker 1You know the father was I guess in the alcoholic, I guess for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2So she was maybe his guy and angel. You know she was watching after him For the son you mean. Yeah yeah, both of them, both of them, wow, yeah, yeah. So it was definitely-.
Speaker 1So you just saw there wasn't interaction. You just saw her.
Speaker 2It was very peaceful. It was very calming. It was very peaceful.
Speaker 1But she wasn't angry. No, there was no anger at all.
Speaker 2It was very, very tranquil. It was just very, almost reassuring. It was very comforting. So you felt that, oh, I could feel it. So I was talking to him and I'm just like, all of a sudden, I just felt this energy. It was just so euphoric, almost Like it was just like so calming and it's like wow. And then I looked and there she was.
Speaker 1Wow. So, and did you then describe her to your friend? I, I, I, I, I tweeted, and what did your friend say?
Speaker 2That he was, that's my mom, and you, my mom, and you've never been seen a picture of my mom. I'm like I have not.
Speaker 1Wow, and after you described that interaction, did your friend Talk about maybe him having that same kind of interaction, or no you, so you, the only one he was pretty freaked out actually.
Speaker 2Wow, he was pretty freaked out.
Speaker 1Was there anything after that with her, or no?
Speaker 2No, actually never again, never again.
Speaker 1Wow. So at that time you thought to yourself I might have an ability that other people don't.
Speaker 2That's true, you know what the funny thing is? What? His birthday is the same day as yours, of mine, Really Wow. October 28th, three Scorpios, that's right because we used to have a huge party. Oh, you did at his house for the two of us, yeah, oh wow, and the mom never showed up again.
Speaker 1Never, sorry again.
Speaker 2I feel like it was like she's like hey, I'm here, everything's good. I think we were talking about something, because I think he was a little distraught. Yeah, you know about something and we were just having a conversation just two guys having a conversation and all this is like hey, I'm here, I got this and I'm like boom, wow, wow.
Speaker 1so when you have an interaction visual or Combination of visual plus additional things, do you usually have a feeling you get inside about, about the interaction?
Speaker 2The visual, like the truly visual with my own eyes, like seeing it with my own eyes is rare Okay. I see it a lot in my head. I get the pitchers in my mind.
Speaker 1How do you differentiate between the two?
Speaker 2because it's not. It's. It's a flash in my mind. It's not. It's not in front of me, I'm not physically seeing it.
Speaker 1I'm, it's a flash and in my head where I can describe.
Speaker 2All right, I'm seeing this, I'm seeing that in this that and the other it's. It's not.
Speaker 2It's not in front of me, it's in my brain, basically okay, and it's, and that's again like when we were, you know, doing the Ouija board yep with One of your daughter's friends. I got the barber and that was the barber was a flash in my head, was someone saying Barbara, barbara, barbara. Okay, I asked her and she's like yeah, you know oh, wow, okay, so that's how that works. Yeah, it's, you hear it in your brain, you see it in your brain.
Speaker 1It's probably much easier for us to talk about it than it is the process that goes on with you.
Speaker 2It's harder process, like, like. You know I've seen things like and you see like you know, like a chair, there's a chair there you look at the chair, but then you see in your mind that someone's sitting in that chair.
Speaker 1And oh, okay.
Speaker 2I'm saying like there's the chair, but then in your mind you see that chair, but then you see somebody in that chair, yep.
Speaker 1And then you describe that person or whatever to somebody and they're like yeah, that was my uncle, that was my dad, that was and that's his chair, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2So it's like you get that vision. It's in your head, it's. It's obviously Difficult to comprehend because it's taken me years To do this, you know, but that's, yeah, it's both. It's visual and it's it's, I guess, subliminal. I guess for lack of a better word In your mind. You get the pictures in your mind. When I'm talking to people. Sometimes I'll be like for example, I've been dealing with this woman out of New Hampshire through phone calls and text messaging and she was describing her situation and I said Blue jacket, red hat, she's like that's my son. He was murdered. Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 1So all right, so You're texting this woman.
Speaker 2We were having a phone call, so we now you're talking to her.
Speaker 1She was on the phone.
Speaker 2And this just came to you, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1And it came to you. Was it a red jacket, blue hat or the other way around, blue jacket, red hat, blue jacket, red hat and it just came to you, yep, I don't know where. So it's just like this Thought you had and somehow you knew it related to the conversation we're having with this lady.
Speaker 2Well, yeah, because it usually does like, if I'm, is that how it works usually, usually? You know usually, and so you said it to her.
Speaker 1You said what? Tell me, tell me how you said it to her.
Speaker 2She was talking about her son who was murdered, shit, and I'm like you know his name was Joe and I'm like the time of Joe he's passing was he wearing? A red hat and a blue jacket, she's like Started balling her eyes out. She's like absolutely, I'm like he's fine, he's home Really. Yeah so, and Joey still comes to me all the time, really.
Speaker 1Yeah, so how did you know that he was okay?
Speaker 2He told me was okay.
Speaker 1He told you yeah, so how did he tell you?
Speaker 2He just said tell mom.
Speaker 1I'm home, so this was just something you were feeling.
Speaker 2Oh, yeah, I could see it, I was pitch again snapshots in the mind, really shots in the mind.
Speaker 1So take me through this. So the first, so we have the first interaction, being the fisherman guy Yep, I mean, you're fishing this guy's might possibly watching you. Then you have the interaction with this friends mom. Yep, not interaction, but you saw her, yeah. Yeah, how did you start tell me through the process, how did you start refining this, because it sounds like it took some time to refine, took a long time to refine, and I told to nobody. Nobody, not even your parents, friends, no, some has been at some level kind of lonely.
Speaker 2So the time that I saw my buddy's friend and he just looked at me like I was crazy. Yeah so that kind of set me back a little bit. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like alright, but like you know how can I describe somebody I've never met before? And it's in it. You know it's because now did he believe you? I mean, he had to believe me.
Speaker 1I mean, if you describe my mom, you never met her.
Speaker 2I think I'd believe you right, but I've never met his mom before you know, and I, honestly, when I used to go over his house, I used to go over his house because he basically lived in the basement. I'd go into the bulkhead.
Speaker 1You didn't tell him she was hot or something. Did you know? I'm joking.
Speaker 2I used to go into the bulkhead and never used to. I never even. I never even went upstairs to his house.
Speaker 1I'll say just you pretty much always children in the basement.
Speaker 2We were called the cello dwellers for a reason.
Speaker 1Alright, and there wasn't a lot of pictures of the mom hanging around.
Speaker 2There was no pictures of his mom hanging around. There was kegs of beer and dark boards.
Speaker 1Shit, and so you describe it. To a tea, to a tea.
Speaker 2It was just baffled like it's like you know. Yeah, like dude, stop messing with me. Why would you do something like that? I'm like, you know what I mean it's like, and then it's like it's set you back. Yeah, it's like shit you know, do I, do I.
Speaker 1Now it's like now, what do I do?
Speaker 2Like am I alienating myself from my friend because I describe someone I saw to him that happened to be his mom? You know, it's like you know, so don't talk about it.
Speaker 1So they must spend a time in your life. How will you now fell? 54 next month 54 on October 28th, that's correct. I'll be 51 and what's that catching up to me? I well, I don't know if I'll ever actually catch up to you, but I'll try. But there must be a time that you kind of felt me. I'm just asking. It might have felt more like a burden than a blessing. Yeah right, yeah it did it was.
Ghosts, Landscaping, and Paranormal Investigations
Speaker 2It was because it's like alright, like now, when I see something like in a lot of times I'd like we shut myself down. I'd see something and be like nope, it's not that Because I don't want to, you don't want to deal with it, I don't want to deal with it, I don't want to lose my friends, I want to upset someone, to sat in the other, and then finally I'm like no, there's a reason why I'm like this, there's a reason why I'm like this.
Speaker 1I need to. There is a reason I need to send these messages.
Speaker 2I need to help these people. I need to do something they're trying to get you know. How is this person still here when they're not here, like, why is there something I need to say to somebody to make them pass on to you know, in the older, in the older I got, the more I'm like you know, what. I don't care who I offend, I'm gonna straight out say what I see and feel and everything else.
Speaker 1Well, I mean it really shouldn't be offending anyone, but I mean I get it because you're dealing with people's emotions.
Speaker 2Correct. It's like would you mess in with me? Would you see a picture of my mother? What did you like? You know it's like, it's stuff like that. You know, Even in like there was one time we were, I was working and I was talking to this woman and she's like she was talking about a plant that her mother planted. And she's like whatever you guys do, please don't destroy this plant, this, that and the other, so forth and so on. And I'm sitting there and I'm like talking to this woman and all.
Speaker 2I hear, is clown feet, clown feet like clown feet, clown feet.
Speaker 1Okay, what that? And I'm like I have to ask this woman, I have to ask this woman. I'm like I have to ask you something.
Speaker 2I'm, like you, talking about your mom. What's up with the?
Speaker 1clown feet.
Speaker 2She burst into tears, really calls her husband.
Speaker 1So is this a friend of yours, or what was the circumstance? I was working?
Speaker 2on her yard I was landscaping. Oh okay, and she calls her husband.
Speaker 1She's like you got to come out here right now she goes.
Speaker 2What did you?
Speaker 1just say.
Speaker 2I'm like clown feet.
Speaker 1He's like, oh my God, when her mother was passing away. She was getting like all time as a dementia.
Speaker 2And she would say to everybody Let me see a feet, I want to see your feet. So one day her husband, as a joke, would come in with a pair of clown shoes on, like the big. Yeah, yeah yeah, she's like let me see your feet. And he picks up his feet and he has these huge red clown shoes on. Oh so I'm talking to this woman about her landscaping and I'm hearing clown feet, clown feet. She's talking about the shrub that she got her mother got, that she didn't want damaged, and I'm like.
Speaker 2I mean, come on, what's the clown feet? I mean it's like that's the weirdest thing ever to say to somebody.
Speaker 1That's so your working as a landscaper. That's correct, right, which I have to tell you I did is I did for one summer, it was. I did that for one summer and I did a construction for another summer. I Did that for one summer, I did construction for another summer, probably the two more the hottest, two of the hottest jobs I've ever had Landscaping. I Wasn't a biggest fan of it but I did it, and so you're doing that. So you must make it a little younger.
Speaker 2I'm not that much younger, oh really. I mean probably 12 years ago.
Speaker 1Oh, 12 years ago. All right, because you do a lot of Golf stuff now right.
Speaker 2Yeah, we do artificial turf and golf simulators.
Speaker 1That's correct, All right so you don't, you're not doing landscaping so much anymore, right? So you're doing landscaping, um, professionally. Yeah, right, I was doing a kind of lump, or kind of stuff.
Speaker 2I have a degree in horticulture.
Speaker 1So you do, yeah, oh. Alright, so you're alright, so I was my thing.
Speaker 2It's what I wanted to do. I was the low end.
Speaker 1That's okay, but I won't get into me. But you, oh my god. So this lady's talking about some sort of bush outside?
Speaker 2We were ripping everything out of the front of her house. She wanted a full blown and this, just so tell me what happened.
Speaker 1So so you, this just is a, is a, is a, is it a a voice in your head, is it a fight in your head?
Speaker 2Can you differentiate it's? It's like when you say something in your head like to yourself, like Do this you know, when you say, that's what you get yeah, I get that. And then I'm like like why like?
Speaker 1why am I hearing this?
Speaker 2Like what is like, this is the weirdest thing ever to hear.
Speaker 1So now you have to say because it's not something that you have had in your life. That would be like coming into your head.
Speaker 2This woman's talking to me about her. You know $40,000 landscaping job and I get clown shoes in my head. Clown, she's like alright, Like what's going on like I get a question what's up with the clown shoes? And she's just boom like, just loses it, but it was a good tears of joy.
Speaker 1basically she's like oh, she wasn't upset with you.
Speaker 2No, she was like oh my god, that's fantastic. She's so, so excited about it was her mom, yeah, it was her mom. Yep, wow, I was with a big red clown shoes, like so how's it?
Speaker 1would kind of joke around with her.
Speaker 2Yeah yeah exactly Because he was. He was definitely a jokester.
Speaker 1All right, yeah it was it was.
Speaker 2It was one of the coolest Interactions I've ever had that sounds it yeah it was just so cool, it was even funny.
Speaker 1Did you ever, while you're working, did you hear anything else? Did you feel anything else? Or was that?
Speaker 2No, it's just that one. It's that. It's that one time where they know okay, I can talk to this guy, he can say something to my daughter that I can't get across, that to know that I'm okay and that's what it is, that's wow, wow have you.
Speaker 1I have so many questions, but have you Long I'm probably a little long-winded. Oh no, I love it. I love it, but I mean, it's just, there's just so many different things that unpack, but so is there anyone in your family, that, any of your grandparents or anybody that's ever talked to you about having this type of? I Don't know if it's a cold and ability, I don't know what. I call it a gift, a gift, that's what I'd call it. I call it a gift.
Speaker 2Not that I know of, wow.
Speaker 1Wow, wow. And is there anyone? I know you have a son, Yep, and he does. He doesn't have that sort of ability or gift or that you know of?
Speaker 2I don't think so, but he joins me and every ghost hunt that I usually go on.
Speaker 1He does so, he's in, he's into it. He's definitely into it. He loves Wow.
Speaker 2Yeah, first he was a little apprehensive, but now he's the older he gets, the the more he's into it.
Speaker 1Yeah, so he must have become a believer as well.
Speaker 2Oh yeah.
Speaker 1Wow, wow, was he a skeptic at any time.
Speaker 2No, just a frady cat.
Speaker 1Oh, he was.
Speaker 2Wow, I mean I tried to, I try to. Not too young, but I tried to get him around the same age that I started, you know, 14 ish, yep you know. Okay, let's go for a ride, let's check this place out.
Speaker 1You know, just me and him you know it stick to me like glue, but he loved it, you know so when you founded the Mary Mag varely Paranormal society Like how did that happen? Walk me through it. Like did you just say I'm founding it today, or how did this all happen?
Speaker 2I Happen to meet a gentleman named. Nick, who had my same, I wouldn't say abilities, but my same passion for the paranormal, and I'm like let's do this. Ah, let's do this, yep. And then we teamed up with this group called ghost ghost hunters of southern tri-state.
Speaker 1Okay, so what's the tri-state?
Speaker 2I would assume Massachusetts, new Hampshire, main main. Okay.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2I would assume, I don't know. I mean, that was his gig.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, so you didn't get involved in that.
Speaker 2No, no we just kind of teamed up, we did we did some investigations together because we were a small group. He was a small group and we just did our thing and we did a lot of work. You know, matthew and Tandy gatehouse, we did a couple of investigation in Medford, we did one in. Rhode Island and it was, it was cool, it was like you know, and then we kind of, you know, got our feet wet and then we kind of went our separate ways.
Speaker 1He got a couple more people to join his group and same with us, and you know we did our thing.
Speaker 2You know we kind, of you know, teamed up and then separated.
Speaker 1Okay, it's good. Then you were able to kind of grow your own.
Speaker 2I still talk to him, we still communicate, we still you know, we still we're still friends and it's just like we help each other out. If you need somebody, I give him somebody, and same here I'm like hey, you want to join us? You got anything going?
Speaker 1on. He's like no.
Speaker 2I'd love to. So he's like in Sandown, new Hampshire, or something like that.
Speaker 1So okay, he's not far away, yep. So Some people listening Obviously have no frame of reference for this kind of stuff, or as at all right. Is there a a movie that best depicts this type of thing? No, there isn't. So most of the Hollywood crap it's like Jaws. Yeah, it's not. You know, it's not real. It's not like yeah, no.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, but at which? No? No, I mean, there is some Movies based on true stories, but they're a little, they're a little, little exaggerated.
Speaker 1What like? What are you referring to?
Speaker 2haunting in Connecticut, amityville, horror.
Speaker 1Yep stuff like that, you know, and they of course even like poltergeist, and they have the Hollywood enough.
Speaker 2Yeah, of course, you know, you know I mean, and again, maybe there is stuff out there that that's that intense, but I've never come across it. You never crop.
Speaker 1Like you said at the beginning, you never come across something that is Is actually have an evil intent.
Speaker 2I've never come across anything demonic or evil. Maybe bad intentions, but I wouldn't call it demonic or evil.
Speaker 1Okay, not. So what when you say bad intention, just kind of takes just like trying bad intentions, trying to get somebody out of the house.
Speaker 2It's their house, they're this you know this is my house. What are you here for? Yep, you know that they don't realize they're, they're passed on or whatever, and they just you know they're truly scaring somebody, so it's not evil.
Speaker 1So what's?
Speaker 2you know, it's not evil.
Speaker 1What's the scariest thing you've come across. You mind talking about it.
Speaker 2No, I don't mind at all. I've actually seen a two-year-old child get picked up and walk towards a staircase get out of here no lie.
Speaker 1Okay, so tell me about it.
Speaker 2We were it, we'd you bought, gone bad.
Speaker 1Okay, All right so explain it because I think some people, I think there's a group of people that first of all, think we do boards are full of crap, okay. And then there's other people that say wait a minute. If I use my Ouija board, what should I be doing?
Speaker 2So this woman Her father lived with her Vietnam vet Okay wanted to get in touch with some of his buddies that passed on.
Speaker 1Wanted to use a.
Speaker 2Ouija board Used the. Ouija board. Used it wrong, bad things started happening. What's wrong me? Just didn't use it right.
Speaker 1Okay, just didn't, didn't you know you didn't open the gate correctly in the gate around yourself with white light.
Speaker 2You know, remember we lit the candles on your kitchen.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, all that in positivity positive energy.
Speaker 2Negative energy brings negative results, so he used the Ouija board, and then bad things happened, not something that was evil, but something just with bad intentions.
Speaker 1What's that mean to you when you say bad intentions Just?
Speaker 2wants to cause harm to somebody evil is evil. Evil is demonic, evil is evil. Evil is just like pure pure evil like this is there's a difference between bad intentions and evil. Bad intentions just you want to.
Speaker 1You want to scare someone you know that you're an Entity.
Speaker 2You know that you can not be seen. You know you can. You have these. You're getting off on scaring these people. Ah, where evil is pure evil. Like I've never come across anything that's been pure evil.
Speaker 1How do you know the difference?
Speaker 2you, you, I would feel it instantly, really, you would know okay, you would know.
Understanding and Dealing With Hauntings
Speaker 1So. When it's just bad intentions, how does it make you feel Angry? It does, yeah, okay, but we don't ever.
Speaker 2And what do they really call it? Um, we don't push the envelope, we don't try to get the spirits mad. Okay because that makes things worse all right try to rational just like with a human being you treat. If you're in an argument, you're trying to rationalize with somebody you know you don't want to antagonize something all right you know you don't want to make it matter. Yeah, you want to Find out why it's being or doing what it's doing. Don't Poke the bear.
Speaker 1Okay, that's probably I get it, don't poke the bear.
Speaker 2Don't you get some of these ghosts, ghosts, things that they're yelling, and oh, you're a coward and you can't but but you only know, that's not what.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's so. That's just getting it worse, yeah that's that's made for TV stuff.
Speaker 2That's just making it worse. All right you know you never want to, so if you.
Speaker 1If you're dealing with a guy that might be a little drunk at a bar, there's no real need to continue Saying bad things about him correct, correct, and it's just, you know it's, you know it's, treat anything like you want to be treated.
Speaker 2Rationalize with it, talk to it, just be the better person. Just, you know, just see what it wants. Why is it there? Why are you? Why are you scaring this family?
Speaker 1Like and do you ever get it? Do you have you ever got an understanding as to why, from any of these interactions?
Speaker 2I Feel like sometimes it's more like the person one that used to live in the house Still thinks it's their house that makes sense it's, this is what? Why you here? Who is this? Why are you changing this? Why are you doing this? This is my house, you know, and they're like why are you doing this to my house now, like stop, stop. You know, it's like if I came in your house and started you know, redecorating on you like felt.
Speaker 1What are you doing? Right, you know, it's the same thing with the spirits.
Speaker 2They're like what are you doing in my house. Why are you here? Who are you? Right and you know, you Let them know talk to him.
Speaker 1Let him know that, hey, you've passed on now you know now so-and-so lives here.
Speaker 2You guys can live together. They love your house. It's a beautiful house, but they have to make it livable for themselves.
Speaker 1Have you with your ability to connect. I guess Am I saying it correctly? Next, good, have you ever had a standing as to why some houses or some places have that type of energy in some places don't why. Why do some some energy stick around?
Speaker 2So there's residual haunting and Residual haunting is something that happens like a tape recorder. Over and over again they don't know what's going on. They don't know that they're haunting it. It just happens, whether it's every day, once a week, once a month once a year, it just happens it just it's in the it's in the house, it's in the earth, it's in the and it's in the air, for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2Okay, and it just happens that's a residual haunting. They don't even know they're doing it. Then there's an intelligent haunting which can interact with you. So there's, and that's. That's basically the two that you're gonna get. You're gonna get residual you're gonna get intelligent. It can answer your questions, it can interact with you, it knows you're there. Residual doesn't know you're there, it's just.
Speaker 1It's just it's just what it's just over and over again. And so what's the more difficult to deal with? The?
Speaker 2residual is just you. Just, there's nothing you can do about it. Right, it's just there the intelligent intelligent, is Aware of its surroundings, it knows what's going on, you know, as far as the residual goes, it's just. It's just. It's thinking if it's gonna walk through that door once a week, it's gonna walk through that door once a week, whether it opens it or not. Opens it, that's it, do you?
Speaker 1have an interaction that they communicate to you that there's a reason why they're still here. Yeah, sometimes, yeah, sometimes is you're any kind of like, consensus or any kind of message.
Speaker 2There's a message that's trying to get to a loved one, there's a job they feel like they have to finish. For example, we did one where this gentleman owed somebody money and he passed on and he felt really bad that he never paid his debt.
Speaker 2really, and we from EVPs and all this information, we gathered this information and we told the owner of the house, whose name was Charlie, that we found out that the person was John that passed on, the owner of the house with Charlie. He's the one that called us there and he's like Charlie. I owe Charlie money. We kept getting in. You know, charlie, just tell John you don't owe him anything. Yet that's been paid and after that gone nothing really. Yep, yep interesting he just felt bad that he passed on. You know, in somebody money.
Speaker 1Wow, so do you, Through these types of interactions and these experiences you're having, do you find that Some, some at least of these, what would you call them hauntings or I don't know? You'd call them spirits entities entities. Yeah are.
Speaker 2It's almost like unfinished business a lot of times, yeah, a lot of times it's unfinished business and they are just. They just protection. They're still looking after their loved ones.
Speaker 1So they almost feel an obligation. Yeah, I guess an obligation is a good, good word to use, right, absolutely. And are you saying that it's? It almost sounds like if they lifted of that obligation, they can move on to wherever they move it on to the light.
Speaker 2Yeah, wow, wow. So as soon as we told Charlie about John owing him money, charlie's like John you don't owe me anything yet that's been paid, boom and how did that get communicated he? Just said it. Oh, so you like, john, I'm some sort of just you know, we show our evidence to Charlie and then, like Charlie, tell John His debts been paid. He's good. He doesn't owe you anything, and he did, you know, with a tear in his eye.
Speaker 1Really. Yeah, wow, he's like John.
Speaker 2I'm sorry, I said you know, I you know this.
Speaker 1Going on for years. I wish you would have been much money was it. But to this person it was a, it was it, it was something important, proud person.
Speaker 2That didn't want it. You know he owed somebody money. He had unfinished business.
Speaker 1Yeah, wow, wow, interesting stuff. All right, all right, great, all right. So Well, I want to talk about You've been there the eastern state penitentiary. You said that earlier in Philadelphia, before I get to that Real quick. You're also like a super beer aficionado I am you are, so tell me a little bit about it.
Speaker 2I love craft beer. I love IPA is Like stouts, are like sour's everything.
Speaker 1I'm not everything.
Speaker 2Okay, not a huge when it gets really weird stuff like you know Out there. Crazy stuff like Sea salt, seaweed, beers and crazy stuff like that. No, I'm like just your basic IPA stouts and sour guy.
Speaker 1Well, I went to a concert with you a couple months ago, two, three months ago, july, july, maybe, right. It was actually fantastic, it was awesome, right. And we your son and your nephew, my godson. Yep right. Yeah, your godson. I'm sorry, that's all right, and I remember both of them getting married.
Speaker 2Mark got married.
Speaker 1Mark is already married, but he was getting married when we went to the concert. That's correct.
Speaker 2Right, maybe it was June. Okay, we saw her because he got married in late June.
Speaker 1Okay, so yes, all right and so you're into, because that's some heavy stuff. I.
Speaker 2Do like some really heavy music.
Speaker 1I gotta say I was digging it.
Speaker 2This is a few more down the road.
Speaker 1Oh, I can't wait and, yeah, that trivium band. I really like them. Am I saying it correctly? No, trivium, yeah, yeah, it took me a while.
Speaker 1Yeah, but You're really into the different types of beers too, right? So these two things and they combine a lot in Instagram and you're kind of getting a name for yourself. Your son I brought the concert because at the at the concert your son was was telling me that you know he went to a no, sorry, maybe a brew a beer store in Portland I think it was in Poland, maine, it was and these people recognized you so what?
Speaker 1what is your Instagram type of thing you do on? What is it? What kind of beer stuff do you do?
Speaker 2I just different breweries that I go to, different different concerts that I go to. Sometimes I mix the two together. Basically, you know, it's just about beer concert. I do post some paranormal pitches but I kind of Kind of leave that separate, just because it's a different, different thing. And a lot of the Paranormal stuff we do, most of it is kept Just between me and the client. Yeah, because people don't want other people to know. Hey, I know where that house is. It's haunted right, stuff like that. So most, most of our stuff is just kept in between the clients. But yeah, my Instagram is filled with music, beer and, you know, halloween stuff you're like I love better.
Speaker 1Yeah, you know, yeah, and I gotta tell you. So what? What is your Instagram? Phil 13, I and I. So I a nn a zz o. That's correct right on Instagram, that's right. I gotta tell you it's actually one of the cooler pages You're gonna be able to follow.
Speaker 2So give it a little look. Give it a look, thank you yeah, yeah and Anyway.
Speaker 1so I went to the beer store today To get some beer for Phil and I was showing them Few of your posts with the different beers, cuz I'm trying to figure out, cuz I grabbed some beer for Phil and I'm Certainly a novice in this. So I asked for some help and he commented. He said oh, this guy likes some good beer.
Speaker 2Nice, nice.
Speaker 1I try, yeah, so Anyway, so Kind of dovetailing or kind of shooting off from what we were talking about. We started off talking about how you are the founding member of the Mary Mac Valley Paranormal Society. That's correct, and one of the things I was looking up, getting ready to meet with you and talk, was the eastern state penitentiary I think that's in Philadelphia. Downtown Philadelphia right and they said it's one of the most haunted places in the country.
Speaker 2It's probably one of the coolest places I've ever been to in my life. So when including the scariest place I've ever been to, really, all right.
Speaker 1So what was the coolest part of sir? First of all, can you tell me when you win and what were the circumstances?
Speaker 2I probably win. Maybe six years ago Circumstances was I called them up and I said I'm a Paranormal investigator from Massachusetts, my group would like to investigate the penitentiary. They're like 500 bucks, come on down for four hours, okay cool, we'll be there All right, all right, yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 1Yeah, it costs us money, but it's all right, they gotta keep the place up, of course of course Downtown Philadelphia so it's not used as a prison anymore.
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Speaker 2It's not used as a prison. It's a really cool place at Halloween to go to if you're in the area.
Speaker 1Oh, really so what's?
Speaker 2what behind the walls? They call it, and it's impressive.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, so you went through it.
Speaker 2I've been back there for for that. Yes, awesome, yes, just one of the cool. It's where it's located. It's incredible it actually had running water before the White House did.
Speaker 1Really.
Speaker 2Yeah, it was. Actually had literally running water before the White House did. That's how old the building is and wow, how Dark. And I don't mean dark as in like dark and like evil dark, I mean darkness Like you know, no natural light.
Speaker 1Once you're inside, like can't see anything can't see your hand in front of your face Can't see any, like usually.
Speaker 2You know you shut the light off. There's some kind of light, ambient light, coming from somewhere, whether the moon, if you're in the inside of East and East Eastern State, penitentiary Darkness, real, your darkness.
Speaker 1So what was the coolest part of being there? He said it was cool and it was scary, it just massive building.
Speaker 2The way it's set up is incredible. It just just the the, the aura of it, of the field the energy on it. Each cell you know, just like caves, almost like a cave, with a tiny hole in the bottom of the, used to call it the eye of God, and they would tell the prisoners that the Eye of God is looking down on you.
Speaker 1So what was the whole for? Just like, just that was the only light, that was the only light they got.
Speaker 2And then there was a door Outside, on the backside of their prison, that they would open up, and there was a hallway With like 15 foot walls in it and they'd be able to go out there for an hour a day. So did it have a ceiling or no? It was. It was opened.
Speaker 1That was it.
Speaker 2It was open to the air, but it was like a narrow hallway and they just go in there and they come back and that's the only opportunity of daylight they would get Really. Yeah, al Capone was there. We visited Al Capone cell. It just was cool, just eerie, just just noises, so much going on. It was almost almost too much to to take in so when you went, did you go with someone else?
Speaker 1Yeah, so it was the group. Okay and how many people in that?
Speaker 2We have those four of us. That went okay. And then there was a tour guide, because obviously we're paying for the tour guy I'm paying for and you know He'd go through and he'd explained to us before we went into an area when we were going what it was and then we do our investigation and stuff like that. Did we get evidence? Not really no, but just the experience alone. Again, I think I said it earlier, it's like fishing sometimes you get to fish, sometimes you don't yeah.
Speaker 2But just the experience. And then we went to Getty's birthday the next day, which was absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1Did you have any experiences at Getty's bird?
Speaker 2Getty's Berg was definitely an experience.
Speaker 1What do you?
Speaker 2mean here gunfire you heard it. Yeah, you could hear it, like you could hear it, really gunshots.
Speaker 1When you say you can hear it, it's not audio, they're playing.
Speaker 2No, no, no, Absolutely not audio. They're playing really yep gunshots. I just lot of like Movement noises that there's just nothing there you know we went in February.
Speaker 1So you're just looking at the area and you're feeling these things.
Speaker 2One of the battlefields you're going to each. You know round top little round top.
Speaker 1I mean, I gotta tell you, phil, I don't think that most people that go Hear gunshots. So I think you have some sort of connection. I mean, I would say so possibly yeah, definitely possibly, I mean yeah, I mean, I mean, of course I have a connection.
Speaker 2Yes, that's without, without a question, but just just the history, the, the, the meaning of Gettysburgs itself was just a privilege, just to be there. Yeah, you know just what it meant to this country and everything else. It was just, it was just incredible, wow, just I highly highly recommend a trip to get a go anybody.
Speaker 2I've never been, just go and just everybody I talked to says something pretty deep to say about it, so much there's so much to do other than the battlefields like the Jenny Wade house and stuff like that, and just, I mean, we got some actually Gettysburg the battlefield. We didn't get anything, but we did get a picture of the Jenny Wade house. Jenny Wade was shot. She was like a nurse or whatever in in a house.
Speaker 1She was shot by a bullet that came through so she was a nurse taking care of the wounded of that boy at the battle, and then there was Claims, there was a, there was.
Speaker 2If you look in this mirror and you take a picture of it, sometimes you see Jenny Wade. Yep well, lo and behold, we got a picture of two of our people get out of here to. I'll show it to you the next time.
Speaker 1I gotta see it.
Speaker 2Picture of two of our people, and over the shoulder is this woman that you can see right through her, but you can see her also. Really awesome picture, awesome picture.
Speaker 1So how do you know who's in the picture?
Speaker 2Dave, you looked at well, the two pictures two people were with us and Then the person that was the third person. The picture wasn't in the picture when we took the picture. Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 1saying no. But I mean, have you ever looked at anybody else's that said they have taken a picture and there's a same thing in your picture.
Speaker 2You know I'm trying to say yeah, I mean we have, but like they're not similar, so it could be, could be anything, I gotta see it may not be Jenny Wade personally, but it could be another spear.
Speaker 1It was. Who knows this, and you can see she's not dressed like up-to-date dress.
Speaker 2Yeah, like almost like a, like a doily thing around her neck.
Speaker 1Really yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'll show it to you the next time.
Speaker 1I don't know, wow, yeah, so Someone took a photograph so you took a photograph of the of the mirror.
Speaker 2Yeah, two people were in it.
Speaker 1What was it? A phone or a picture of a camera?
Speaker 2regular camera. Okay, regular camera yeah.
Speaker 1Is it like a digital camera?
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Wow, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2Honestly, that whole area I I highly rate.
Speaker 1it's a great, great take was that your most intense experience Um? I?
Speaker 2No, I would say the house where we talked about, the one where the baby got picked up and carried to the stairs. Yeah, was that on the air or was that just when you're talking about Go through?
Speaker 1it again.
Speaker 2So we were at a house. The Ouija Board, yes, the Ouija Board we did talk about that. Yeah, that was probably my most intense.
Speaker 2Other than one time. In Haverle, in a building in Haverle we were investigating Haverle mass. We were investigating a old basically an old mill building in downtown Haverle and we were watching a shadow go across. We were on the third floor, so there's no, there's no contamination from anything on the streets because we had three floors up. Yup, there's a fourth floor of the building. We were watching a shadow go from window to window, interrupting the light, and then we followed it up a set of stairs. I got to the top of the set of stairs before everybody else did turn the corner and there was a woman standing in front of me with basically it looked like children around her and then behind her was basically set up like a schoolroom. There was like old school desk, there was like old hobby horses and stuff like that. It was a storage area, but it was old, old school stuff and it just looked like a woman. She was in big, big dress and with like a circle going around or almost like a whirlpool, for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2But we heard like laughing and giggling and it was. We assumed it was children.
Speaker 1Wow.
Speaker 2I saw it, Nick saw it and Nick panicked and took off and left me up there.
Speaker 1Wow, so what happened next?
Speaker 2I also left.
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Speaker 1You did, yeah, all right. How long did you wait?
Speaker 2It was. It felt it felt like hours, but it was probably 10 seconds. Yep, it was a lot of energy. It's like almost like like it's a lot of static energy, a lot, of a lot of energy, like almost like adrenaline, but it was. But it was also peaceful at the same time, like does that make sense?
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, so it was cool. Wow, that was the old River City Billiards in Haverle. I don't know what it is now.
Speaker 1Where's that? Where was?
Speaker 2that Right on, right on the main drag there. Okay, what street is that, washington? I think it's Washington Street, right as soon as downtown Haverle, one of the biggest buildings there.
Speaker 1Is that why you were called there for that type of?
Speaker 2thing. Yeah, really Yep. And so it got unresolved.
Speaker 1How did it go over the end?
Speaker 2The end was we just said, yeah, the place is haunted.
Speaker 1Wow, wow, did you ever go back?
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1You did Yep we went back a couple of times. Any kind of interaction after that.
Speaker 2I was kind of calm. It was you know it's. It was kind of calm, but it was cool. Wow, you know. I mean noises and like if you were on one floor you would hear something moving on the second floor. So the first two floors were bar in a restaurant and then the other two floors were basically empty. Yep, so they were saying like when they were cleaning up at night they could hear people upstairs.
Speaker 1So, like one of the guys, had run upstairs and be like all right, who's up here? You're not supposed to be up here, but there was nobody up there, so that's why we went there and you could definitely hear like people moving around upstairs that when there was nobody up there. Wow.
Speaker 2And then you could hear people screaming in the morning anyways which is the only downfall of out coast hunting. Wow. Sleep deprivation.
Speaker 1Really yeah, well, cause you're up?
Speaker 2late. Yeah, oh yeah. And then you're all jazzed up, so you want to go home and look at your, look at all your evidence and everything else, and the next thing you know, the sun's coming up and you haven't gone to bed yet. Wow, wow.
Speaker 1Hey, do you have a? I know we're going to wrap it up, but have you ever which? I'd like to do this again sometime before you can. Let me know when have you ever had experience of seeing something and then you thought it would be captured on your equipment and it wasn't? Yeah, all the time it happens a lot. All the time, yep, interesting. Are you here or something?
Speaker 2And then you expect the your digital voice recorded to pick it up and it doesn't yeah. So yeah, there's times where you've, yeah, absolutely, we're like, oh my God. I saw that when I realized I can't wait to look at the evidence. And then nothing. Or you see something, or the opposite. Or you see something and you're like, oh man, I hope the camera picked that up. And then you go back and you can hear you like, oh my God, look at that, there's something moving, you know from that built over there. And then you look at your camera or you look at your thermal imaging camera and there's that thing you saw, and you saying, really, and that's the perfect evidence when it coincides with everything else, we're like, oh my God, there's something moving, you know from left to right and it's looks like a, like a blob, and then you get it on film, you get it on voice recorder and that's the Holy Grail, wow.
Speaker 1Wow, yeah, I gotta, I gotta see some of this stuff that you have some of these days.
Speaker 2We'll take, we'll take. I want to go on one of these, yeah.
Speaker 1Absolutely.
Speaker 2Yeah, absolutely. And then there's the whole thing.
Speaker 1Is it a another dimension? What is it? But?
Speaker 2that's a whole nother level. That's a story for another time. Right, that's beyond, that's beyond me. Yeah, you know, I'm just trying to figure out one thing at a time. Absolutely, you know, but I would absolutely love to do this again.
Speaker 1Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Please check out Phil at Phil 13, ianazo I-A-N-N-A-Z-O on Instagram and if you have any questions or if you need to reach out to him regarding his Merrimack Valley Paranormal Society, it's at Merrimack M-E-R-R-I-M-A-C-K-V-P-S at gmailcom, correct.
Speaker 2That's correct.
Speaker 1Thanks, thanks again, phil. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2Thanks for having me Love to do it again, all right, thanks.
