Navigating Education and Parenting in the Absence of Fathers

Craving a candid conversation about fatherlessness and its impact on America's education system? On this riveting episode of the Father Factor Podcast, Byron Ricks and  Josh Warmbrodt, explore the deep-seated societal issue that appears to pit our young learners and educators against each other. We shed light on the reality of teachers exiting classrooms due to low pay and increasing hostility. We also spotlight the shocking trend of students and teachers resorting to physical confrontations, largely owing to a personal disagreements between students and teachers, differences in cultural values or beliefs, lack of discipline on the part of students, bullying and hostility towards both students and teachers.  

Drifting into the realm of modern parenting, we discuss its effects on children's grasp of technology and debate the appropriate age for a child to have access to a phone. We also grapple with the challenge of ensuring accountability in the classroom, particularly when parental support is missing. As we journey towards the episode's end, we highlight systemic issues and parental responsibility. We deliberate how high-level decisions can have a trickle-down effect on individual lives, and take you through the profound influence of racism in America, as exemplified by our guest, Dr. Good. This conversation aims not just to bring these pressing issues to the fore but also to inspire a change of perspective. Tune in for a thought-provoking encounter.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Hello and welcome to our podcast series, the Father Factor Podcast. I'm your host, byron Ricks, and joining me is my co-host and good friend, josh Wombrod. The objective is to give a voice to fathers who are not able to be with their kids, mothers who are raising kids without fathers, and children who, unfortunately, are growing up without fathers in their lives.

Speaker 2: 0:25

It take more than names to be a man oh yeah. It take more than sex to be a dad oh yeah. It take more than good to be the bad oh yeah, it take more. It take more, more, more, more, more.

Speaker 1: 0:45

Hello everyone, this is Byron Ricks, your host of the Father Factor. Joining me today is Josh Wombrod, and Byron Ricks. Okay, now we are in the middle of summer or beginning of summer, I guess. In Texas it's like we're in a frying pan.

Speaker 4: 1:02

In this room we're in a frying pan Hot box.

Speaker 1: 1:07

Hot box and Mike Tyson should be here for this. So we've had some good guests over the last few weeks. We have Dr Good, who talked to us about this challenge of fatherless homes and fatherless children and moms raising kids without fathers, and what she sees in the education system and the school system and how it impacts their kids' lives and the challenges they have as educators. And you know, we in America have a great challenge ahead of us as we relate to educators, because educators are leaving schools. You know, in the droves I know the school that I am over we lose so many teachers and other schools lose these more teachers than we are, and a lot of it has to do with the low pay. A lot of it has to do with the hostility that teachers are experiencing these days.

Speaker 1: 2:06

We see on different YouTube or TikToks where now children and teachers are getting to flat out fights in the classroom Like I've never seen before over cell phones and putting your cell phone away. And so I'm not here to lay blame on anyone at this point. I'm just bringing out a point in our society where our kids and our educators seem to be at odds and, based on what Dr Good has said, oftentimes the teachers now I'm sorry, oftentimes the parents now just blindly believe the kids. But even when they have it on video what the kid has done, the kid will be in the peril of being in denial. So I want to try to unpack that a little bit first. Then I got some fun stuff I want to talk about. So what do you, gentlemen, think about the way kids are confronting and literally fighting their teachers in the classroom today?

Speaker 4: 3:14

This is not just today. This has been going on as long as I remember. Personally, in my education I've almost fought a teacher. He put hands on me first. I was wrong. I said smart it off to him, but he didn't have to put hands on me. Well, he didn't have to put hands on me. No, no, no, I mean this was a 6'5", like big boy. So I mean it's both.

Speaker 4: 3:38

The children are out of control, parents are out of control and some of the teachers are out of control because we have the human element involved and every single case is going to be different. No place should a child put hands on an adult, no place should a teacher put hands on a student. But I agree that we are the word exposure. We used exposure earlier. Right, these kids have more exposure to stuff because of the cell phones. Internet, like you, brought up cell phone to communicate and this is the way that they talk. So a teacher says give me that communication device, give me this, which is also their access to the entire world. The cameras on these are giving us more visibility into the stuff too. So I agree that this getting worse, but it's always been and it's to me. It's the human element.

Speaker 1: 4:31

It's what happened to respect of your elders or the person that's in charge.

Speaker 4: 4:37

No, I mean I'm not saying, like I said, right or wrong, but you want to know my take on. It is dangerous because it seems to be a lack of that. So there is a lack of respect both ways. A child should respect another no matter what.

Speaker 3: 4:54

However, there's also there were no matter what I don't know about that, no, and I said you know, yeah, you're right, I disagree with that.

Speaker 4: 5:00

Well, no, you're real, because that's where my next point is. Is that what happens when you're talking about an adult that is being disrespectful to a child, and a child has no way to defend them?

Speaker 1: 5:12

Well, when we say we're talking, okay, let's. Let's separate this a little bit. Verbally disrespectful is one thing, physically disrespectful is another.

Speaker 4: 5:23

No, for sure.

Speaker 1: 5:24

But that any child or teenager for that, whatever the age that that child is. If a teacher physically attacks that child, that child has a right to defend his or herself.

Speaker 1: 5:38

Don't, don't get me wrong there. Yet what happens to today? What has happened to verbal restraint of a kid and Brandon, you're saying that. Well, I don't know what you're saying, but but but I know you and I've had some discussion around this, so I kind of have an idea of what you think. But I'm not going to speak for you. I'm going to let you speak for yourself.

Speaker 3: 6:02

Well, okay, Well, first of all, you know your first question. I'm going to be honest. I put the majority of the blame on these terrible parents. I put the majority of the blame on these parents. They're awful and I see-?

Speaker 1: 6:20

Well, we're talking about the parents of the kids that are acting out and being disrespectful.

Speaker 3: 6:23

I'm talking about the parents of the majority of these kids that go to school in the suburbs and everywhere else, but that's a very broad blanket you're spreading. No, I said the majority of the parents are doing a terrible job raising their children. Because I interact with these kids, because I coach, you know, at I volunteer at the school and I have kids that are at three different age levels and I see the way that these parents. I go to sporting events, I see these individuals fighting in the facilities.

Speaker 1: 6:59

But I think I feel comfortable with some parents. You put in a broad, very broad brush. No, I didn't say all.

Speaker 3: 7:07

You said many.

Speaker 1: 7:10

I said, the majority of these parents are doing it.

Speaker 3: 7:12

Well, that is what I believe and that's what I see. I see the majority of these parents doing a terrible job raising their children.

Speaker 1: 7:18

I can't go with that. I'm making a green disagree.

Speaker 3: 7:21

I think that there are some parents. There are more than some, because if there was only some, it wouldn't be such a systemic problem. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it was only some. Some indicates less than 50%, far less than that. I'm saying that when I see the majority of the children that I interact with. They lack decorum, respect, okay, they lack understanding of boundaries. They have a difficult time communicating, making eye contact, and they are allowed to do this because their parents have abnegated their duties and responsibilities. And I see it. And the parents are unhinged. They are living in soccer fields, shooting up football games, acting complete clowns, and so, when you look at the preponderance of evidence, that to be looks like the majority of parents are not doing a very good job with their children, which is the reason why teachers are leaving in droves. They don't want to be bothered with the lack of pay for the amount of abuse and the lack of accountability that they are having to endure. It is not worth it. You might as well go into a different profession. Okay, if I have to interact with a grown adult, it's one thing to act with a child. I can have a certain level of patience and tolerance for a child, because a child is in this stage of development. They are learning what they see. So if a child is misbehaving, where are they learning that from? They're learning it from who they live with the most and they live with their parents. They're learning from their parents how to interact with other adults.

Speaker 3: 9:01

I've interacted with kids. They won't even look you in the eye and the parents. I'll be looking at the parents, like, are you going to check this kid? And the parent will say, oh well, that's just how they are. We just allow that. It's like what do you mean? You allow that? Make the kid put down the phone and look me in the eye and have a conversation, but that's not happening. There is no. We don't want any type of conflict in our society. Every type of conflict is bad. So therefore I'm going to let my kid.

Speaker 1: 9:27

It's a lot of years to give the kid a device and let the kid do what he wants, but yet our society is full of conflict.

Speaker 3: 9:33

Right? Well, no, I think it's full of people that are passive aggressive. We have a bunch of keyboard warriors running around and then we have these individuals who build up all kind of animosity and they sit in their rooms and then they go lash out on somebody.

Speaker 1: 9:50

But we don't have we see conflict and animosity in the state house, whether it be here in Texas or whether it be in the White House or the legislation.

Speaker 4: 10:01

We see all kind of conflicts among the church parking lot. Get a lot of that, the church parking lot, church itself, I mean.

Speaker 1: 10:08

so I mean I'm agreeing with you.

Speaker 3: 10:09

Conflicts have to be negative. Right Conflict is positive Conflict can be positive Can be Absolutely and you should have positive conflict. You can't have okay resolutions to issues without having an ability to deal with difficult things. Without becoming emotionally overtly involved with something. We should be able to have a difficult discussion. People avoid difficult things. They want comfort, they want pleasure. It's a lot easier to put my kid in front of a device than to actually parent.

Speaker 4: 10:39

I guess my question is how do you know? Just because I contact, because all that I mean. There's certain things that I don't care about, because as long as my child acts right, they got a good heart, they have their minds right and they're after something about something. There's certain things that I'm a little bit more lax on, because to me it's about the heart, because I'm not trying to raise some of that that acts right but their heart's not right. You feel what I'm saying. I feel you, josh.

Speaker 1: 11:06

I think, though, where Brandon is going is there are some social norms, and when an adult walks into the room, or a person walks into the room and speaks to your kid, the social norm is, for whatever that kid's doing is at least stop, look up, make eye contact and respond in a certain way, and then perhaps go back to what they're doing.

Speaker 4: 11:32

But I get that however and I'm not saying that for my kids, because my kids you know they got a but if that kid has never seen it and that that adult never saw that, if there's so certain things that we call social norms but racism was a social norm at one point, and I'm not trying to compare the two, but what I'm saying is that who who says this is normal? Because there are some parents that are just extremely introverted and so they're not treating that, teaching that.

Speaker 3: 12:00

So my point and don't have kids that you know Like.

Speaker 4: 12:03

But but that's but but but you, I can find that you can be argumentative and aggressive at times. You know you right. So I could say don't have kids.

Speaker 3: 12:12

But just because everybody has, no, we're not talking about people's flaws, we're talking about again. It all goes back to what are you reinforcing? Every human has flaws.

Speaker 3: 12:23

Okay so someone could say okay, brandon, well, I feel like you're being argumentative. Okay, well, I can acknowledge that and we can have a discussion about it and I can say okay, where am I, where am I wrong? That is called active, okay, parenting and participation. What I'm talking about is Byron posed a question why is it that Teachers are leaving in droves? What is the issue? I'm proposing that parents are doing a terrible job parenting their kids. You can disagree with me on that, but I I think that there are a lot of things that the modern American parent in the context, because Most countries don't have the same kind of issues. We're looking at these things in the silo. I Don't think that a kid should have a cell phone Below for below the age of 14 15, but we have. We have kids that are 12 and they got full on Instagram account. Okay, the things that you're accessing and seeing on IG, on tiktok, on snapchat and I can you have no?

Speaker 3: 13:19

ability. You have no ability to cognitively, psychologically, understand the algorithms that are being pushed at you. And parents are saying, okay, well, because it's easier, here, kid, go take this phone.

Speaker 1: 13:32

And now my watch time is 8, 10, 12 hours a day On on the device and we're like, oh, that's no problem, okay see, fundamentally, we can have a difference of a thought on that, on that area, in that area of when a kid should have, should not have, a phone. You know what my my granddaughter, I Guess. Now she has an Instagram account. She sent me Instagram and then I never, I never accepted it and she said, grandpa, I'm trying my process in this women, I don't think I want to be on Instagram with my granddaughter, I don't know. But the question on the table for me is let's say, either you could, you could be right about that. What I'm struggling with now is when your rules for your household come into the classroom. Your, if your 12 year old has a phone, okay, I could agree or disagree with that. But if the classroom rules are there are no cell phones in the classroom, then I believe that should be adhered to.

Speaker 4: 14:37

Exactly that's what I'm trying to say I get that, but the parents have nothing to do, you know, other than accountability after the kid comes home from school. Right, but one of the things that I've noticed in schools as they've lost, they've lost the ability to hold the kids accountable within with a hell they have.

Speaker 1: 14:55

I don't get support from the parents.

Speaker 4: 14:57

It's not just, it's not just that. Okay, but there's certain rules or certain rules, like dr Good said it. Maybe not we can use paddling right, but there's certain they have gotten more and more lenient Because of the amount of disruption.

Speaker 3: 15:10

Like she says, the parents, cause they're getting lenient because they don't have support from the parents when, when the kid gets sent to office, to a counselor. So we're saying every child every Disagree, not every but.

Speaker 4: 15:22

But that's nothing, is every yes, I can tell you first hand from my daughter's education To where we had to pull her out of Keller schools because of how they are mistreating her and miss handling her. So I I completely agree and disagree. Because she was the most developed child Physically in the school and she was being treated poorly by teachers staff, being dress-coded for the same exact outfit as other kids because she had Booty and boobs and was one of the few you know biracial children there. So we pulled her because at one point and this is why I say I agree with you but I also disagree because it is a human level this is a case-by-case basis we had a teacher bullying my daughter and the best. The reason? Because she had a cell phone. We were able to prove it because my kids had cell phones. My son has when he's 12. But we have it set up to where they're on schedules. It locks our packed. Y'all owe us some money. Our pack, look it up. It shuts them down at a certain time. So when the school bell rings, her phones complete, all our apps disappear. She came and she can all. She came and text us at that point. She can only text us through life 360. So this, this teacher was giving her hell being a difficult, difficult. She's always in her phone, she's never paying attention, all this stuff and it's Pull out your phone, show me your phone. There's nothing there.

Speaker 4: 16:44

So my point is is that it's the same thing as police when it's at the discretion of a human who's overworked, prof, possibly burnt out, frustrated, underpaid and has inflation going on. It's not just the parents. I agree, there's a bunch of crap parents out there. I've tons and tons of them but there's also a lot of burnt out Employees that once had a passion to teach our kids that are slowly losing their passion between the lack of support from the parents, the lack of support from the school board, the lack of support from the politicians, as Dr Good said, the lack of funding. All of that I can't only blame the parents. Parents have a huge part in it, right? What I have to say is that I think it's across the board. These teachers don't feel supported, especially at the point of burnout where you see some great teachers just lose it. Just lose it Because they're burnt out, just like any normal salesperson, accountant who's overworked and burnt out. So we're still a human element Involved.

Speaker 4: 17:48

That I'm not saying that the kids are innocent. I'm not saying the teachers are innocent. I think there's an accountability that goes across the board because it's more involved than just crap parents and teachers. It's. There's a lot more that falls into that. You know you can use inflation, the ball whatever what dr Goode is saying because there's a pressure on us in the society right now and it's it's pouring into our kids. You have a bad day at work. You'd less likely to want to just sit on the carpet and play with your kid. I need some time and that's what our teachers are living in 24, seven and it's the combo. Brandon's right, you're right, I'm right, we're all right.

Speaker 1: 18:26

But I think that speaks to the over over line Challenge that we have and what's going on in America.

Speaker 2: 18:36

As.

Speaker 1: 18:36

I said, there was a time I Hate to even say this will make America great right but there was a time in America when we could agree to disagree, mm-hmm, and we each walk away. It was not a big deal. But today America, I believe, is into group think and so if you think Disparately, then you're not a part of the group, mm-hmm, and therefore you're ostracized, and not only that, you've villainized. Yes, and that is not the America I grew up being as a kid. When I was in college, we had some very, very heated debates and nobody lost a life or limb, and sometimes we'd even go out have a beer afterwards. You don't see that today. No, how could?

Speaker 4: 19:23

you With. We think about high school, of school. A lot of people group up there's, but back in the day you had the preps, the jocks, the this to that it's continued on in life. But the difference is, as we got Facebook, we got groups of people that we can choose to. Oh, you think like me, I'm gonna connect with you guys. You think like me, but I think we've always had that option, but not at this mass.

Speaker 1: 19:49

If you, if you, if we lived in Plano only and you have your I think is, I think is, I think is that, but I think it's more than that. I think is that plus I Think the way I think, and you can think differently than me. You have the right to do so mm-hmm. But today you don't have the right to think differently than I do, because if you do, then you are now my enemy and then be my enemy hell, that's.

Speaker 4: 20:17

That's where I'm at with it but that's the problem though that's the best for me. I, if I'm extending the college branch and I'm the one that's willing to talk and we can communicate, and you have the problem and you're closed-minded, I'm not gonna chase you down and try to talk you into having a conversation.

Speaker 3: 20:31

I get that at an individual level, and that's that's. That's one thing that I wanted to say. Josh, I think that sometimes, right, we are dealing with issues that are high level, right. So you made a statement earlier that you say, well, we have to look at things by a case-by-case basis. No, I disagree entirely, because if you're making decisions at a high level, you have to look at probabilities, okay. You have to look at majority, minority, you have to look at Ideologies that rule, okay, and in full and philosophical beliefs, you, that's where we're talking about okay.

Speaker 3: 21:06

So when I, when I make a statement and I say and Byron asks a question well, what do you think the issues are? Okay, I make a statement, I say I believe that the majority of the responsibility lies in the parents, that statement does not mean that I'm discounting, okay, or or releasing Responsibility on teachers or the education system. What I'm saying is that, okay, and look at anecdotal at a high level, okay, if we have a hundred people, all right, there may be ten people that do not fit the other 90, but you don't make rules based off of the ten. You make rules and you make laws and you make regulations and ways of doing things based off of the 90, and that is how we move things forward. If I was to say, okay, well, these ten out of the 90 don't like what we're doing, you would never have them. You would never have a rule. That's what we have majority rule even but that's the problem that in itself is a problem.

Speaker 3: 21:58

And think about it like this logic you cannot have a to you, it's logic.

Speaker 4: 22:02

But look, let's look at our society. What's wrong in America? The dividing line of racism, what most of this stuff has been set up to up for a certain group of people. So, if you're all, what hundred of people are you pulling from? From Plano Are you pulling from?

Speaker 1: 22:16

well, that was generic well.

Speaker 4: 22:17

I get that, but my thing is is that if you're talking about making laws and all the stuff as a generality, but I think, different cultures.

Speaker 1: 22:23

I think what he's saying is, regardless of this, the society. If you have 90 people that believe one way and ten that believe the other you and that can be in in Russia, north or anywhere exact then you don't. You don't conform to the tin. Then the 90 is the majority. That's what's going to be the law of the land.

Speaker 3: 22:46

That is what democracy the law of the land.

Speaker 4: 22:49

And I get and I hear you and I disagree and agree, but I'm just gonna be real that that's, that's not. What if the 10% is the accurate one?

Speaker 3: 22:58

Okay. Well then, the 10, those okay, but that's the thing, josh, is that this is the. This is the heart of the matter is that we live in a nation where there is a divide of belief systems. Okay, and so, in order for there to be any advancement, there has to be a shared Understanding of what we believe, why we believe it, so that we can move forward together.

Speaker 3: 23:21

All right, you cannot advance a society, a community, a team forward Unless there's a mutual understanding. The same at the sports level. I have a team and I have a coach. Right, you see, coaches and players Get ousted all the time because a coach is not able to Conform the way that he thinks to the team. And he comes into a team and if he can't get buy-in, then there's that. He, his way of thinking, doesn't stick, and so the GM has to move that coach. Or if he's able to get buy-in from the majority of the team and there's some players that don't fit into the, the methodology that that coach, what does the GM do? He has to move those players. Okay, there's they. This is what we're talking about.

Speaker 3: 24:00

So if we look at school as a education system, all right, there's always going to be a case here or there, like my son doesn't. Let me. Let me finish. Okay, my son doesn't do well with the school format. He doesn't okay, but I don't have an expectation that the American school system changed to accommodate my son so that he can have a better experience. I, as the individual that has a child that is in that minority group, have to figure out different ways to make sure that my son gets the Education that he needs, because the school system is not set up for him to succeed. Well, that's, that's partially my point.

Speaker 4: 24:38

Dr Good said it earlier. She said African-American have to think through where to send their kids to school for safety, and they're not just talking about gang violence, they're talking about to protect them from, you know, prejudice as well. So if you take this school here and in the impoverished area, compare it to an affluent area, you know then the outliers that live here in the impoverished area are the normal. I'm sorry. The outliers in the in the rich area are the norm, or are the normal or the, the bulk and the Poor area? Yeah, I could say yeah, so that's the but. So I agree with you and here's where I agree.

Speaker 4: 25:20

If we have a common Goal to reach, we can come together collectively to reach that common goal. However, when you're talking about this high level, the benefit for the average American, we're not privy to when they're headed, what they're doing, the why behind it. We see where our school system is, we see the teachers, you know, quitting. But, dr Good, she chose, like they said, whoever's going north. Why are you coming south? She want to be the change. She can't get the opportunity up up north either.

Speaker 1: 25:50

So well, that and that was the key reason right. He started north but because of being a female right and a Caucasian female, she was not Given the opportunity to do the body of work that she was overqualified for, right.

Speaker 4: 26:05

So then she chose to go south, right, and then help those communities and maybe sometime does how work life works out Right, she, she was where she was supposed to be right, because she said I realized that there was more black children being sent to the office and there was other race. And that's when she said she realized that there was a problem with. Our teachers are thinking the subconscious prejudices right. So again I Agree, but again, what are we after? Because we're continuing to feel the same school system that was established to create, I think we?

Speaker 1: 26:38

we are arguing in two different realms, micro in macro. Yeah, exactly that's what that was. The point I was making is that you can have.

Speaker 3: 26:47

We have to establish first what are we discussing? I I thought that your question was a macro question. Okay, here is a systemic issue, right? What do we believe the primary Right reasons are for that issue? My belief is that there is a breakdown in the responsibility of the parental order. Okay, that First, the responsibility is in the household for the parents to Raise their children in a way that when those children leave the household, okay, they conduct themselves in a certain way.

Speaker 3: 27:26

But if there's not a shared belief on what appropriate conduct looks like right, okay, we can't hold people accountable to a standard. I'll give a given example I had I was coaching this is short, short, like I get. I was coaching a young kid and he was cursing up a storm on the soccer field. Okay, and one of the other kids on the other team came, told his coach. And the coach came and told me today Kid is dropping f bombs all the soccer field, right. So well, what did I do? I went and told the kid a You're not gonna be cursing like that on the soccer field.

Speaker 3: 28:09

Well, after the game, the kid went and told his dad and I'm having a talk with the dad, and the dad says to me I don't care if my kid cusses, he can curse all he wants, as long as he's not cursing at somebody. He can drop F bombs, but I think that's just fine. Okay, so here we are. I'm dealing with a kid that's like 11, 12 years old and the father is just fine with the kid cursing like a seller, using all manner of vulgarity. So in the household, this kid is being taught that this is just fine.

Speaker 1: 28:41

So he goes not cursing at some.

Speaker 3: 28:43

Exactly right, that's the caveat, as long as not cursing at someone. So I can. I can say all manner of vulgarity at 12 and that's fine for his father. So he goes in society and he's doing exactly what his father's taught him. And that is my point is that you are gonna do what your parents allow you to do in your household when you step in society. So if I'm allowed on my phone for eight hours when I go into a classroom and no one's telling me, someone's now telling me put up your phone.

Speaker 4: 29:11

Well, my parents don't make me put up my phone, I guess my wife, what were you? Well, I disagree. I agree and disagree once again. And reason why is is simply because that's each one of our perspectives. Right, everybody has their own perspective. But what? What does the father's perspective is? Is that everybody I work with talks like this. Everybody I go to the grocery store they talk like this for his child. And I'm not saying I agree with that, that logic not at all. I'm. You know, my kids need to have self-control. To me it's about discipline and self-control. Is there right and wrong? But there is right and wrong. But who? Who do we get to say, well, wait, we know I live in your old cursing.

Speaker 1: 29:50

No, I know, I just said.

Speaker 4: 29:51

I just said that it's not right, okay, but what I'm saying is that who is saying what's right and wrong when it comes to society?

Speaker 1: 30:01

Write that down for a topic. Yeah, that's a different question.

Speaker 4: 30:04

That's why I'm at, because you're talking macro versus micro, but at the same time it's the same thing, because if you're talking about, if you're looking at a macro's perspective.

Speaker 4: 30:13

Well, you have. You should be take taking into consideration, you know, that micro because if you think about what is what do we say on our team, a sales team, anyway, you say, we're only as strong as our weakest player. So if our weakest player is the ghetto, in the school system, in the ghetto, then why aren't we going and trying to find, from a macro perspective, how we can solve?

Speaker 1: 30:37

We, I'm not okay, gentlemen. Gentlemen, all right, yeah, no, I know we're talking short on time.

Speaker 4: 30:41

Yeah, we pick up, you know, so soon as we get.

Speaker 1: 30:48

I thought it was good. Okay, thank you all, me and my coast and co-host today. We're short on time. My name is Byron ricks. I am the coast of the father factor with my co-host, josh and Brandon. Until next time, fathers, remember all your kids are equally yours, because fathers count. Hey, thank you. This is Byron the father factor podcast. Thank you for listening. If you'd like what you heard, subscribe and share and tell us your thoughts. We'd like to hear from you. Perhaps you can be on our show. And to the fathers out there Remember all your children are equally yours.

Speaker 2: 31:31

It take more than names to be a man. It take more than sex to be a dad. It take more than good to be the bad. Oh you, it take more. It take more, more, more, more, more.