Why People Are Not the Biggest Risk

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Why People Are Not the Biggest Risk
Nov 14, 2025
Eric Sorensen

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While I’ll resist drawing comparisons about industrial cybersecurity to butterflies and bees, producing this episode did remind me of another great Muhammad Ali quote: "The hands can't hit what the eyes can't see.”

This could provide an easy segue into the ongoing challenges about asset visibility, but really, it goes a bit deeper than that. In addition to being able to see all the things we need to defend against, we also have to understand what to look for in establishing those defenses. 

In this episode, we discuss  these challenges and solutions with Bryson Bort, the founder and CEO of SCYTHE, a leading provider of Adversarial Exposure Validation (AEV) solutions. Watch/listen as we also discuss:

  • The increasing impact of hacktivists.
  • The rise of ransomware gangs.
  • What AEV is all about.
  • Why there is no such thing as an accidental hack.
  • The human impact on cybersecurity and why it is rarely the human's fault.
  • How his former military life has impacted his cybersecurity career.
  • Why supply chains could be the most important threat landscape going forward.

To check out the work he and his colleagues are up to, you can go to scythe.io, as well as icsvillage.com.

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Episode Artwork Why People Are Not the Biggest Risk 49:36 Episode Artwork Preserving Uptime in the Face of Evolving Attacks 31:38 Episode Artwork New Patching Strategies for Old Vulnerabilities 26:45 Episode Artwork The Wild & Weird of Industrial Cybersecurity 31:06 Episode Artwork Using AI to Stay Ahead of the Hack 32:14 Episode Artwork Threat Landscape Update 50:05 Episode Artwork Cure Me or Kill Me - The Little Things That Escalate Attacks 43:51 Episode Artwork Being 'Proactively Paranoid, Not Paralyzed' 37:27 Episode Artwork Why More Hackers Are Logging On Than Breaking In 33:00 Episode Artwork You Think You Know Me 35:39 Episode Artwork Avoiding the Ostrich Approach 51:19 Episode Artwork 'We've Made Our Own Prison' 42:52 Episode Artwork Dark AI Speeding Hacker Evolution 36:44 Episode Artwork Why Ransomware, Credential Theft and Phishing Schemes Persist 39:55 Episode Artwork Unsecure Webcam Was All a Ransomware Group Needed 31:56 Episode Artwork IABs, Dark Web Fueling Ransomware Surge 39:14 Episode Artwork Manufacturing’s Internal Cyber Struggles 27:51 Episode Artwork Observations of an Ethical Hacking Researcher 36:08 Episode Artwork The Evolution of OT Vulnerabilities 37:20 Episode Artwork The Legacy of AI in Cybersecurity 27:18 Episode Artwork A Happy Ending to the Latest ICS Hack 29:58 Episode Artwork The Biggest Hacks of 2024 40:34 Episode Artwork Looking Back to Move Forward 42:02 Episode Artwork AI Is Exposing Your Most Vulnerable Attack Surface 35:50 Episode Artwork Minimizing Hacks by Focusing on Uptime 39:08