Brainwaves and Beyond: A Look at Psychic Abilities with Dr. Jeff Tarrant

Step into the enigmatic world of psychic phenomena with Dr. Jeff Tarrant, who has traversed the spectrum from skepticism to belief. Our latest episode unveils the science behind the psychic, where brainwaves like theta and gamma frequencies play pivotal roles.

Discover how the right hemisphere of your brain could be the gateway to unlocking extraordinary realms of consciousness. From the tangible impact of audio-visual entrainment (AVE) technology to simple card exercises, Dr. Tarrant guides us through practices designed to amplify our intuitive abilities.

If the thought of tapping into the unseen intrigues you, then you're in for a journey that marries mysticism with method.

We all carry the spark of psychic potential, often dimmed by the rigors of rational life. Dr. Tarrant challenges this norm, suggesting that through perseverance and training, we can rekindle our dormant talents.

Whether it's mediumship or telekinesis that calls to you, this conversation is a testament to the diversity and accessibility of psychic skills. The episode doesn't just explore these abilities; it's a call to explore your own, with practical steps and resources that encourage each listener to embark on a personal odyssey of spiritual discovery.

Peering into the crystal ball of the future, Dr. Tarrant propels us forward to the budding intersection of psychic research and technological innovation. As we grapple with the challenges of empirical validation amidst a sea of psychic "fluff," our discussion illuminates the promise of new devices that could transform our understanding of the human mind.

Stay tuned as we navigate the enthralling landscape of psychic exploration, where the next breakthrough is just a thought away.

This episode is an open invitation: join us at the frontier of consciousness, where science and the supernatural converge.

Dr. Tarrant is the founder and Director of Psychic Mind Science and the NeuroMeditation Institute in Eugene, OR. He is a licensed psychologist and board certified in neurofeedback. Dr. Tarrant specializes in teaching, clinical applications, and research combining technology-based interventions with meditative states for improved mental health.

His research focuses on exploring brainwave changes that occur as a result of contemplative practices, technological interventions, non-ordinary states of consciousness, and psi related abilities.

Dr. Tarrant is the author of the book, Meditation Interventions to Rewire the Brain in addition to the upcoming Becoming Psychic.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:47

Hello everyone. Welcome to our Spiritual Spotlight Series. Today I am joined by Dr Jeff Tarrant. He is a psychologist and today we're actually going to be focusing on his new book Becoming Psychic Lessons from the Minds and Mediums, healers and Psychics. Thank you so much for coming on Spiritual Spotlight Series. I'm so happy you're here.

Speaker 2: 1:06

Thank you for inviting me. It's great to be here.

Speaker 1: 1:09

So let's just I'm going to ask you one question first. So you transitioned from a hardcore skeptic to someone deeply immersed in the study of psychic phenomenon. Can you maybe share a pivotal moment or experience that signified that kind of shifted your perception in? I don't believe in this to maybe some of this is legitimate.

Speaker 2: 1:28

Oof, it'd be tough to pick. I don't know. That it was one thing, right, yeah. And to be fair, you know, as a younger child and even as an adolescent, I was open to all this weird stuff, right. And then I kind of shut it all down again and then it kind of reemerged, and so I think it's actually been kind of my natural way of thinking about the world is more being open to all of this, and so I think actually it was more just a series of events and experiences of just becoming more flexible after I kind of got out of school and started kind of remembering some of what I was into before, right. So I don't, I don't necessarily think there was one thing. I mean, there have certainly been some big experiences I've had that changed my, my worldview, right, right, but I don't think it was one thing necessarily.

Speaker 1: 2:24

That's interesting. So in your book Becoming Psychic you explore the connection between brain activity and psychic abilities, like that's the big focus in your book. Can you explain how specific brain waves or regions are associated with these abilities?

Speaker 2: 2:39

Sure, and you know, of course it's complicated.

Speaker 1: 2:44

I will say his book is very meaty, Like it is not a. I can't just pick it up Like you have to go through it chapter by chapter to absorb the information.

Speaker 2: 2:55

That's fair, you know. I would say the brainwaves that seem to be most involved with you know, whether it's psychic activity or spirit communication or energy healing, the brainwaves that show up the most often are theta and gamma, and that's not going to be a surprise to a lot of people who are listening to this if they're familiar with any work in this kind of world. Theta is a slower brainwave and is often associated with the subconscious, hypnotic states, deep states of meditation. It's a state where we tend to be more open and more receptive. Gamma is the fastest brainwave that we measure and is associated with lots of things. But one of the things that people get excited about with gamma is these kind of flow states or being in the zone or sort of understanding things at a high level without effort, and so those two together seem to be the magic combo and sometimes they happen together. You know that's a misunderstanding. I think about brainwaves is that we kind of only make one at a time, and the reality is we're making all of the brainwaves all the time. So it's more about a relationship. How much of each one are we, you know? Do we have it in a particular moment? Right?

Speaker 2: 4:25

Clear distinction between right and left hemisphere activity and this was something that, honestly, at the beginning I kind of poo-pooed, I kind of thought, yeah, that's all just pop psychology, there's not much to that. And then, after studying dozens and dozens of gifted individuals, it's like, oh, it keeps showing up that the right side seems to be more important for these activities than the left hemisphere. And it makes some sense because the left hemisphere is more logical, linear, language oriented, whereas the right side is much more experiential and more present, moment focused. The other specific regions you know we don't have enough time to get into all of them, but the ones that I'll mention just really quick. The right parietal lobe, so kind of in the back right quadrant of the brain, is often referred to as the God spot, and it's a very interesting part of the brain because its normal function is to create boundaries and so it creates a separation. You know I'm Jeff, I live in this little body, you know you're Rachel, you live in your little body over there and we're totally separate. But then, when you disrupt the functioning of that part of the brain, it seems to allow more of that empathy, more ability to connect outside of yourself, so those boundaries don't exist. The same way.

Speaker 2: 6:03

Other parts of the brain that show up are the frontal lobe, especially the right frontal lobe, which is involved in a lot of things like impulse control as well as how you pay attention. And so how you pay attention is, of course, going to be important for some of these skills. You have to change the way you're paying attention. And then the third one I'll mention real quick is the occipital lobe, in the very back of the brain, which we associate with visual processing. And again, it kind of makes sense If you're seeing something that exists in a more subtle realm, it kind of makes sense that that's going to get processed somewhere in your brain and it gets processed in the visual lobes. Even though you're not seeing something with your eyeballs, it doesn't matter. The brain still processes visual information in that part of the brain. So I'd say those are the big three.

Speaker 1: 6:51

Yeah, so one of the goals of your book is to help others tap into their own psychic abilities, which most of my listeners definitely want to open, and expand more of their abilities. Can you maybe tell us what are some of the initial steps or practices you would recommend for beginners on this path?

Speaker 2: 7:10

Yeah, I'd say there's three things, and the first one is going to be really obvious Practice. You know, whatever skill it is you're trying to develop, it's pretty clear that the more time you put in, the better you get. This is, you know, it's so obvious, it almost doesn't even.

Speaker 1: 7:32

It's so true and so it's with everything, anything you want to become better at, you need to practice.

Speaker 2: 7:38

Yeah, if you want to get better at playing a musical instrument, well, guess what? You know, you got to put time in and so you know, I think some people they just want it to just pop, you know, magically emerge and it's like I think those abilities are there. But you have to really practice shifting your brain in such a way that you can get your normal conscious brain functioning out of the way to access these abilities. So practicing is huge.

Speaker 2: 8:03

The next thing I would say is meditation, and I'll expound on that just a little bit, because virtually every psychic medium I've ever interviewed has said meditation. Like, if you ask them and say what's the thing to do, almost 100% will say meditate. And there's a lot of different kinds of meditation. So this gets complicated, right, because it's like well, great, what kind of meditation? And my answer would be well, it depends.

Speaker 2: 8:32

It depends on what you're trying to cultivate, because different types of meditation impact different parts of the brain in different ways. So it kind of gets to the third part, which is using technology to kind of nudge the brain in the direction that you're wanting it to go, and so there's various ways we can use neurofeedback, or audiovisual entrainment, or low power, repetitive magnetic stimulation, All of these things can kind of encourage or coax the brain into specific patterns, and so it's a little bit of like training wheels. I think, right, that it's kind of nudging the brain where you want it to go, but you still have to practice the skills. Just because your brain is doing a certain thing doesn't mean you're going to be psychic all of a sudden. You still have to practice, and meditation is kind of the same way. You're training the brain to be able to step into different states of consciousness and hopefully get skilled enough that you can navigate that at will and have enough flexibility in the way your brain operates that you can tap into these things.

Speaker 1: 9:41

I really liked that you brought in the technology piece of it to maybe help you open it up a little bit more, and one of the things in your book, like you said, was the audio vision entrainment. I found that to be fascinating and the devices that you have on your website like that was. So can you tell us a little bit more about those devices?

Speaker 2: 10:02

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:03

And so you know, since you brought up audio visual entrainment, I'll start with that and really what it involves is and this technology has been around for a long time, it's not like it's new technology and you know, my background is as a psychologist and so I've used this historically for mental health, you know, to help people reduce anxiety or, you know, activate their brain better, for, you know, cognitive functioning, whatever.

Speaker 2: 10:28

But essentially what it is is a specialized set of glasses that has lights built into the eye set, and you put them on and you close your eyes, pick a program depending on what you're wanting to do, and then the lights flicker on and off at a specific rate depending on what you chose, and so literally they're going on and off a certain number of times a second, and then you have headphones on with tones in them that match the glasses, and so essentially what's happening is your brain will start to match those frequencies.

Speaker 2: 11:01

So if you're pulsing a light six times a second, that's in the theta frequency range. Theta is between four and eight hertz, four to eight cycles per second. So if you flash lights six hertz, which is in that theta range, your brain will start matching it and will start making more theta, and so it's a way to kind of coax the brain, or not even coax. Well, I guess it's coax, but you're kind of nudging the brain toward a specific, to produce more of a specific frequency, and so this can be a really useful way to you know, if you're not used to being in certain states of consciousness, it's a nice way to kind of like kickstart the process and kind of get you there a little bit quicker.

Speaker 1: 11:47

Yeah, I found it to be very fascinating. I'm somebody like I read the records and you go, you shift into different, you know consciousness and it's definitely in the theta brainwave state and I was like, wow, that'd be so interesting to use that device and to kind of relate it to what I do in my healing business and to see what are the parallels and, like you said, maybe I could coax my brain a little bit faster into that state.

Speaker 2: 12:15

Yeah Well, and one of the things that I've kind of discovered after experimenting with this with a bunch of people is that people that are already at least a little bit tapped in to whatever it is whether it's energy healing or psychic abilities or whatever they tend to have a really strong response to the glasses. It's almost like the brain's already a little bit there and you're just kicking it into gear. People that maybe haven't really explored this at all. It's kind of hit and miss. It doesn't always, you know. Sometimes they're just like well, that was nice, that was relaxing, and it's like you know. And again it kind of goes to what I was saying like you kind of have to practice the skills too. The glasses aren't just going to make you psychic, they can help unlock some of that, but you still have to learn how to sort of tap into that type of information.

Speaker 1: 13:06

That's so interesting. So each chapter of your book ends with a practical exercise, so the try it yourself section. Can you maybe share one technique that has been particularly effective for your readers or students?

Speaker 2: 13:18

Oof.

Speaker 1: 13:19

Okay, I know they're all very interesting and I will say that when I was going through the book I was very much Ooh, got to do that. Ooh, I've done that. Oh, I'm so happy you talked about that. Ooh, I'm going to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't like the mirror idea.

Speaker 2: 13:34

Yeah, and part of my hesitation is just because each chapter deals with such a different topic, that well, largely. And so it's a little tricky because all the try it yourself sections are specific to that chapter, right, and so the one that I talk, the one that I talk about frequently, just and I think it's just a personal favorite of mine, cause it gets really directly to that practice idea that we've been talking about is just like using a deck of cards or something and trying to predict. You know, and one of the reasons it's such again, it's a simple. I like bringing it up cause it's simple Everybody has a deck of cards.

Speaker 2: 14:11

You don't have to go out and spend a bunch of money and you can learn so much about yourself and how you work and how your logical brain tries to take over the session and predict and analyze and assess, and so just doing that on a, you know, a regular basis, I think makes a big difference because you can start to feel what does it feel like? And I think that felt sense is important what does it feel like when I'm right, when I get it right, when I predict the next card or the next color accurately, versus when I don't? And it's subtle, it's not, you know, it usually doesn't hit you over the head. So it takes practice and repetition to start to identify what those feeling states are. And I think that's important because then you can start to notice oh, am I in that space or not, and you know. And that can help you start to fine tune. You know your own psychic practice.

Speaker 1: 15:10

Yeah, I will say that I like that you brought that up in the book, because I think I use the same app that you referenced in it, like, oh, I've done that. I did that before. I sucked at it, but then I got better with practice and then I get mad and then I stopped using it.

Speaker 2: 15:30

Well, and it's funny because I've also noticed that some people tend to do better with more apps, some people with more physical cards, some people do better with using colors versus like something like numbers or you know, there's all these weird little subtle variations, that and so you have to experiment with that too, right, that's a good point. And some people do better with more like a telepathy type practice where we're sitting together and you're looking at the card and I'm trying to read your mind, versus just predicting what the next card is that I'm going to turn over myself. People have different skill sets, and so you know it's useful, I think, to explore that as well.

Speaker 1: 16:25

And so you know. It's useful, I think, to explore that as well. So many different senses that you have within yourself, how do you help people through that Like this may not be your strongest sense, you have to work at it, but maybe this one's coming forward for you a little bit stronger.

Speaker 2: 16:40

Yeah, I mean, really what I've kind of found to be the most effective way to do that is, you know, like we teach some like online classes and things like that. And you know, after every exercise we try there's always some sort of discussion, debriefing process, and really I feel like that, in some ways, is almost the most valuable aspect, because it helps people start to clarify. You know, they're like well, I didn't see anything but, and then they might bring up something else, and so it's like then we can encourage that Right, and it's like well, wait a minute, okay, you don't have to see it. You know, like, maybe you just feel it, maybe you just know, or maybe you hear something, or maybe there's some other kind of subtle signal that you're getting in your body.

Speaker 2: 17:22

I know a lot of people that feel something in their body, and so helping people to sort of tap in or tune in enough that they can start to recognize that oh wait, there are all these other ways to get clues about you know what's happening internally, that you know sometimes it just takes some exploration for people to understand like, oh, that's my strong suit. Oh, okay, like I don't have to see things, which is a good thing Like I'm terrible at seeing things. That's not my strong suit, and if I was relying on that I would probably just give up, because I will say that I'm the same way.

Speaker 1: 17:59

When I first kind of started down this intuitive path, psychic path, I was very frustrated because I wasn't able to see in the normal way.

Speaker 1: 18:08

And then, after years and years of practice and whatnot, I I'm grateful that I'm more sensing and knowing that I am seeing, because I don't want to see a ghost. I'm good, I'll see them in meditation, but other than that, I'm good, I'm a chicken is what I'm trying to tell you. Maybe I put a block on it, but I just I will say like I'm, I'm grateful that you kind of brought it up that way, just because I think people get hard on themselves, that they assume that this is how I should be as a psychic and or intuitive or medium or an energy healer. And I think you know with your book you can, you can tap into, there's all different ways to open up your abilities and maybe try this or try that and see what works for you. I think that's perfect. So let me ask you this as a former skeptic I know we brought this up in the beginning what would you say to those who still doubt the existence or possibility of psychic abilities?

Speaker 2: 19:06

Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing I would say is you know, I totally get it. I understand why people are skeptical and there's and I'm still skeptical, even though I've seen a lot of things and I believe in the possibility of just about anything at this point. But but at the same time, just because somebody calls me up and says, oh, I can do this or that or the other thing, my first reaction is usually like yeah, we'll see. My first reaction is to doubt. And I don't know that that's necessarily bad, right. I mean, we need to have a critical mind and we don't want to just accept everything as the truth.

Speaker 2: 19:50

And to people who just have written off the possibility that any of this is real, you know, I really just encourage them, like have an open mind. You know, the world is a much stranger and bigger place than most of us can even imagine. And you know, if you're closed off to the possibility, I can guarantee you won't ever see anything. And so you know you have to kind of accept that. It's like, well, maybe there is. Can I just be agnostic about it, you know? And it's like, well, maybe that exists. I've never seen anything, but you know, what do.

Speaker 2: 20:23

I know, maybe I can be open to the potential, because for me, you know, even though I believed in a lot of this stuff, once I kind of rounded the corner, so to speak I was still super skeptical. But then there were a few times I saw things that there was no way, like I could not refute what I saw. Right, it was way too big and and way too powerful, that it was like whoa, okay, clearly this world is way crazier than I ever imagined, and so you know. But again, I don't think I could have seen that earlier. I had to have been open to it and say yes to different opportunities, which is, I mean, it's something I try to do. Now, you know, if something really grabs me and or somebody calls me and says, hey, you know, I'm on it, I'll hop on a plane, I'll go check it out and see, you know. You know I want to investigate and sometimes it's a bust. Sometimes I show up and I was like you know, but again, you have to share some examples of a bust.

Speaker 1: 21:25

No, I'm sorry, it's interesting yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:29

I mean, I don't want to be too specific, right Cause I don't want to be vague.

Speaker 2: 21:36

Yeah, you know, um, you know I will get introduced because I've been doing this work for, you know, 11 years now. Right, so I'll get introduced to different people that have claimed to have different abilities. And so, you know, there are times where I'm like, okay, yeah, cool, you know, like let's, let's do some brain mapping, let's see what's going on. And you know, we end up getting together one way or another and we run a few tests and it's kind of like there's really not much there to see.

Speaker 2: 22:06

The way that they do their work Isn't super impressive. They, they don't come up with anything that's really evidential. And for the folks that aren't familiar with that term, in this context, like in mediumship in particular, they use that term evidential like to bring forth information that is very clear and specific to what you're looking at. So it's not something vague, and you know. And so if they come in and all they give me is vague stuff and the brain isn't looking that interesting, it's kind of like, you know, it's like, well, you know you just wasted a half a day. But but again, like you know, if you don't put yourself in those opportunities, you don't know, you don't know what you're going to get.

Speaker 1: 22:57

I mean, I do think so. I'm a registered nurse and I actually manage a doctor's office in my day job and what I respect so much about your book and about your studies is that it's linked to science. It's linked to, you know, actual, like you said, like evidential, like there's actual results in your book. And I, and I feel that if I run across some skeptics, I you said like evidential, like there's actual results in your book, and I, and I feel that if I run across some skeptics, I can say read this book Like, I mean honestly, like it helps me as a, as a nurse, because sometimes I'm like, is this real or am I just fluffing this or is this my imagination? And I like, I like that you're like no, you can actually test the brain, see what's going on and it could be real.

Speaker 2: 23:33

Yeah, good, I'm glad because you know, I think that's one of the pieces I was hoping would happen with the book is that it would encourage people. You know that it's like you don't have to again, like I said earlier, you don't have to just accept everything Right. But you know there is way more going on out there, and so just be open-minded to it and look at the research. There's a lot of research that's very convincing and hardcore skeptics will say, oh, there's no research to back it up and it's like, actually there's a ton of research, a lot of research.

Speaker 1: 24:09

There's a lot of research. I mean, even, who is it? Is it a moto who did the study on the water? And if you program the water with positivity and it's just like there's so much, there's so much studies out there. You just have to be willing to look, and you also brought up a good point. You also need to be able to discern is this truth or is this just fluff? You know, because there is a lot of fluff in the psychic industry, unfortunately there is.

Speaker 1: 24:37

So let me ask you this what are some common challenges or misconceptions people face when trying to develop their psychic abilities, and how does your book address these?

Speaker 2: 24:46

Yes, common misconceptions yeah, Um.

Speaker 1: 24:53

Hmm, he's like none. This is perfect.

Speaker 2: 24:58

I mean, I, I guess I would say you know, one of the misconceptions I think that people have is that, um, and this is a big one, this comes up a lot is that you know, only certain people have these abilities. You know so the, the you know, the Laura Lynn Jackson's and the you know uh.

Speaker 1: 25:16

Sylvia Brown, james Van Praagh right.

Speaker 2: 25:21

You know all the big names, right, that they have a TV show and they, you know that, that they're special and they can do this. But I can't, I'm not special, I don't have these abilities. And again, I I'd say this is a 100% of the mediums and psychics I've talked to. They say they're like no everybody has this potential. And the further I get down this rabbit hole of studying these things, the more convinced I am that that's true, that we're all born with this innate ability and that it gets essentially shut down as we get older, as we develop language, as we leave childhood, as we start conforming to our culture and our societal beliefs about what's real and what's possible and what's not. That it essentially shuts down those connections, but they're still hidden in there somewhere, right, it's almost like the subconscious mind, right? There's all kinds of stuff in the subconscious mind, and just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's in there.

Speaker 2: 26:27

And when you look at surveys of people who have had precognitive experiences or you know, dream visitations or whatever, the numbers are staggeringly high. You know, the vast majority of people have experienced some kind of psychic or spirit communication thing spontaneously, but we just write it off, it was like, oh, that was a coincidence, or oh, that was my imagination. And it's like, well, no, that was something snuck through, so true. And so I think that's a huge misconception that people have. Is that, well, I can't do this?

Speaker 2: 27:04

And it's like, well, if you really want to, you can, and you just have to sort of learn how to unlock that and and decide, decide that it's something you want to do, um, you know, and so, like, we were kind of saying, right, like, and let me clarify just a little bit because and there are people that are naturally gifted in these abilities, right For sure. And so you know, I'm never going to be a James Bond prog, right, that's just not going to happen. Right, you know, um, probably, I mean, I'm never going to be a James Bond prog, right, like, that's just not going to happen, right, you know, um, probably, I mean, I guess I shouldn't say shouldn't, but um, hey, you said to practice, all right and you can get there.

Speaker 2: 27:41

I did say to practice, um, but there are. There are people who are just naturally talented with these kinds of things. But again, that's like with everything, like we said, right, there's people who there's little kids who pick up a guitar for the first time and a week later they're playing stairway to heaven, right, and it's like how did that happen, right, like you know, um, you know, and I can play the guitar, but it takes a lot of work and it takes a lot of practice and I'm never going to be a prodigy right with music, um.

Speaker 2: 28:09

but so that's my point right. And, like we were saying, there's all these different areas within this world, so, true, whether it's mediumship or, uh, psychic things or energy healing or telekinesis or whatever, and it seems like people have varying degrees of natural ability in those different areas. So I think it's also important to explore and try some stuff, because like well, I tried a psychic test and I did terrible. And it's like, well, have you ever tried telekinesis? Have you ever tried energy healing? And so usually one of those things really resonates with somebody and they're like, oh, I like this, this makes sense to me. And so it's like, well, cool, lean into that.

Speaker 1: 28:50

right, you don't have to do everything sense to me and so it's like well cool, Lean into that. Right, you don't have to do everything. I will say that I 100% agree with you. When I first was kind of sparked by the psychic field, I really wanted to be a psychic and that's taken a lot of work and a lot of practice. I thrive in energy healing and I love energy healing. That's my jam. So you're 100% correct in that You're right. It's like what is what lights you up, what excites you? I'll never be a Sylvia Brown. Yeah, I mean, she'll visit me in my sleep, that's cool.

Speaker 2: 29:26

I love that, you know, and I mean you know I'm the same way, right, you know, because, of course, exploring these things, I try to develop my own abilities, right, of course you can't do this and go like, well, I want to do that, I want to try this. And you know, I've had varying degrees of success with just about everything I've tried. But there are certain things that I'm much more attracted to and I feel resonate with me just more naturally Energy, healing, psychokinesis. For me, those are way, they make way more sense to me. I think I'm more skilled at those, and so it's like, okay, well, why am I trying?

Speaker 2: 30:01

to turn myself into a medium when I'm not, and I've got these other abilities that I could cultivate.

Speaker 1: 30:06

Listen, I will refer you to an amazing medium. Come to me for this Like and.

Speaker 1: 30:11

I think that's the other thing with the spiritual field is we all have different. You know abilities and skills and you know you might go to someone you're like. I resonate with that, but then I can refer you to someone else that I know that doesn't have the same skill sets that I have. That maybe you're looking to connect with your grandma. Yes, I can bring your grandma in, but not the way that you want me to bring her in. So that's so interesting. So before I ask you the last question, if anyone's interested in learning more about you and also you have devices that are for sale where's the best place for them to go to?

Speaker 2: 30:43

The best place is our website, which is psychicmindsciencecom. It's all one word.

Speaker 1: 30:50

And the other cool thing about his site is that he has a lot of guided meditations on there, so, like there's a third eye one, there's a lot of different meditations on there that you can definitely listen to, which I think is really cool that you offer that. So let me ask you this where do you see the field of psychic research and understanding heading in the future, especially in the context of advancements in neuroscience and technology?

Speaker 2: 31:16

Yeah, good question. Partly I don't know. One thing that I've been seeing is that there seems to be more and more interest in these areas, which is interesting. I feel like that's a good sign, I agree. However, there's still not a lot of money out there for doing quality research. So, also agree, yeah, there's only a handful of places that have grants and you know it's very competitive because all of us out there that want to do this work are all competing for the same little pile of money. So I don't know where the field is going to go.

Speaker 2: 31:57

Necessarily, some of my personal interests are in doing a more methodical examination of using the technology as a boost to some of these abilities and, you know, to really test that in a more methodical way, you know, rather than bringing people in the office and we try various things and see what happens and right, you know, I think we know enough now that you know we could set up a study to do that, you know, but it's complicated. Obviously, you know the brain science. I honestly I don't know that we need a whole lot more brain science. I feel like. I feel like we kind of have enough of a basic understanding that that could carry us for a while if we can apply it. I think that's the next area is how do we apply what we know?

Speaker 1: 32:55

No, absolutely, and I think maybe almost the technology needs to catch up to the brain science and to be able to really hone out Cause, as you were talking, I'm like, oh, I wonder if he's seen this device. I wonder if he's seen this device. Like there's all these different devices that we all need to test and experiment with. Well, I want to thank you so so much for calling us virtual spotlight series. This has been an amazing conversation.

Speaker 2: 33:18

Thank you so much, yeah it was a lot of fun, thank you.