What happens when new age spirituality meets personal responsibility? Join us as we explore the tightrope walk between embracing spiritual practices and ensuring mental well-being. Starting with a light-hearted update on the real-life Goonies house, we quickly shift gears to tackle the heavy consequences of misinformation in spiritual circles.
We share a sobering account of a TikTok astrologer’s tragic experience during a recent eclipse, underscoring the critical need for evidence-based practices and responsible guidance in today's spiritually trendy landscape.
Together, we delve into the ever-changing spiritual movements and the importance of vetting providers to maintain trust and respect in practitioner-client relationships. We stress the necessity of delivering helpful messages and ensuring that any challenging insights come with constructive solutions to foster personal growth.
Our conversation highlights the importance of mutual respect and the impact of clear, respectful communication to avoid causing undue stress or confusion for those seeking spiritual guidance.
Finally, we tackle the intersection of spiritual practices and mental health, emphasizing the importance of self-care and discernment.
From taking breaks to avoid burnout to maintaining detailed notes for reflection, we offer practical advice for staying grounded and balanced. We also discuss the risks posed by charismatic individuals and the potential for manipulation, urging listeners to remain skeptical of urgent and ominous claims.
Authenticity, honesty, and a critical mindset are key themes as we navigate the complex world of new age spirituality, ensuring our listeners walk away with valuable insights on maintaining balance, authenticity, and responsibility in their practices.
We hope you found the episode to be enlightening and insightful. Our goal is to create content that not only entertains but also helps you grow spiritually and connect with your inner self.
If you enjoyed listening to this episode, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to like, subscribe, and write a review. Your feedback is incredibly valuable to us and helps us to improve the quality of our content and reach a wider audience.
We believe that by sharing knowledge and insights about spirituality, we can help to inspire positive change and personal growth. So, if you find our podcast to be meaningful and informative, we encourage you to share it with your friends and family.
What happens when new age spirituality meets personal responsibility? Join us as we explore the tightrope walk between embracing spiritual practices and ensuring mental well-being. Starting with a light-hearted update on the real-life Goonies house, we quickly shift gears to tackle the heavy consequences of misinformation in spiritual circles.
We share a sobering account of a TikTok astrologer’s tragic experience during a recent eclipse, underscoring the critical need for evidence-based practices and responsible guidance in today's spiritually trendy landscape.
Together, we delve into the ever-changing spiritual movements and the importance of vetting providers to maintain trust and respect in practitioner-client relationships. We stress the necessity of delivering helpful messages and ensuring that any challenging insights come with constructive solutions to foster personal growth.
Our conversation highlights the importance of mutual respect and the impact of clear, respectful communication to avoid causing undue stress or confusion for those seeking spiritual guidance.
Finally, we tackle the intersection of spiritual practices and mental health, emphasizing the importance of self-care and discernment.
From taking breaks to avoid burnout to maintaining detailed notes for reflection, we offer practical advice for staying grounded and balanced. We also discuss the risks posed by charismatic individuals and the potential for manipulation, urging listeners to remain skeptical of urgent and ominous claims.
Authenticity, honesty, and a critical mindset are key themes as we navigate the complex world of new age spirituality, ensuring our listeners walk away with valuable insights on maintaining balance, authenticity, and responsibility in their practices.
We hope you found the episode to be enlightening and insightful. Our goal is to create content that not only entertains but also helps you grow spiritually and connect with your inner self.
If you enjoyed listening to this episode, we would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to like, subscribe, and write a review. Your feedback is incredibly valuable to us and helps us to improve the quality of our content and reach a wider audience.
We believe that by sharing knowledge and insights about spirituality, we can help to inspire positive change and personal growth. So, if you find our podcast to be meaningful and informative, we encourage you to share it with your friends and family.
hello everyone. This is a exciting new episode call me now with jake and rachel. Hello jake, hi hello rachel. Hello hello rachel. So you know, my sister got to see that house. It's actually really cool. Um, really, yes, is it a real house yeah, it's a real house.
Speaker 1:
There's a house I think it's in either oregon or washington state. I apologize if I get it wrong, but you can actually walk by it. And yeah, it's the goonies house. So there you go, learn something new every day. So, jake, we have not gotten together in quite some time because we feel there's a lot of craziness going on in the world, and that's why we haven't been able to connect.
Speaker 2:
Maybe we were too busy surfing the stars, interviewing the Pleiadians about big astral events yes, we were jumping dimensions and we were teleporting to.
Speaker 1:
We really as we're around. We kind of want to talk about probably. This is really maybe more of a serious conversation, but we're going to make a light note to it, you know, just because we do want to have a little bit of fun about, like, spiritual practices, spiritual buzzwords and maybe how sometimes is it your imagination, is it something spiritual is happening? Is it a mental illness, like what's going on? And Jake, I don't know if you want to share about the tiktoker that did something crazy, the eclipse. If you don't want to, that's okay, we'll move on yes, no, okay.
Speaker 2:
So for everybody that's listening, I let's cover. Let's cover the recent events, so everybody remembers the eclipse that recently happened. Let's cover the recent events, so everybody remembers the eclipse that recently happened. So let me tell you a really quick story about a astrologer that was very popular on the social media platform, tiktok for I would say, like a couple of years Since, like quarantine COVID years, all the way up until you know, probably like the last year. She was someone who you know would give very, a lot of people said very valuable astrology information and there was a lot of people that came forward after the fact and said, hey, she was the reason why I started my astrology journey, like really disappointed to like see this, like this, is craziness.
Speaker 2:
So the long and the short of it is that after a couple of recent months leading up to the eclipse, this tiktok astrologer, um, started to really kind of go a little off the rails, um, with her messages and kind of talking about some really far out stuff and especially about like end of times, like end of the world stuff, like things like that, specifically talking about how, like the eclipse was supposed to be like the end of the world or something like that, so fast forward to the day of the eclipse, she unfortunately ended up becoming overwhelmed or overtaken by this, uh, hysteria, panic, um, delusion, more accurately, that it was the end of times, that she felt like she was compelled, that she had to do something about it. She actually ended up taking the lives of her husband, um, and herself and her children, um. Later on that day, um led on a high-speed chase in california like it was this big thing, um, and it takes two seconds to google this case. It's. It's really quite sad and and devastating for the community.
Speaker 2:
And, as jarring as that story is, it really kind of made me take a step back as a teacher and a provider of these kinds of things, and I think it really begs the important question of how do we, in this new age of social media, of accessibility to information, to different platforms, how do we find number one, personal responsibility, and kind of drawing the line of, okay, let's say that maybe I do live my life with maybe some mental illness or maybe a proclivity to kind of, you know, extend the truth, or something like that. How do I hold myself accountable to be like, okay, what tools and what parameters do I need to put in place to keep myself in check with my messages, with my services, to make sure that I'm delivering accurate information, that I'm, that the things I'm experiencing are real right and it's interesting too, because I don't know about you, but I would say, like 10 years ago, when I first jumped into this field, that was a big conversation separating, you know, mental illness from spirituality.
Speaker 2:
You know, really kind of discovering like evidential based, forensic based, psychic messages, akashic readings, healings, things like that Science based yes, and it seems like that conversation is kind of like dwindled down, maybe just because other trends maybe have kind of jumped in, um, and so I think that that's really important for us to talk about today, just for anybody, even, you know, beginners jumping into their path or even people who have been doing it for a minute. I think it's both really helpful for the newbies and also for the oldies, like people who have been doing it for a minute. I think it's both really helpful for the newbies and also for the oldies, like us who've been doing it for a minute, to help kind of guide the new crowd, because you hear a lot of these buzzwords like what you were saying earlier. We were talking about like jumping dimensions and like palladians, things like that.
Speaker 2:
When I hear those terms, I'm there's nothing wrong with those two terms. By the way, let me be very clear. You're right. What lately in my context, when I'm hearing those terms. It's the younger generation online or the younger generation who are kind of self teaching or getting the information from people who are not necessarily informed and are then disseminating that information to other people poorly, you know it's almost like.
Speaker 1:
It's almost like how social media is and we get a false narrative, like let's just look up right now what's going on in the political world, like we have a very toxic political world right now, especially with the presidential campaign coming up, but what I might be receiving on social media and what you might be receiving on social media is tailored to us and it's kind of like big brothers watching us. And I feel like, if you're somebody who's in a vulnerable position maybe, like I sometimes feel like I can be a little gullible and naive and I believe what anyone tells me, and it's like well, am I trusting my true discernment? Am I trusting my intuition? Am I trusting myself or am I just hanging on every single thing that Jake is saying? Do you know what I mean? And it's like, how does somebody take fact from fiction? How does somebody?
Speaker 1:
Okay, like evidential mediumship. This is something that we talked about before. If I want to go to a medium, do I want somebody who's just going to give me a very blanket medium reading Like, yes, your grandmother's with you and she loves you and she misses you? Or do I want somebody like Jake? You know who will bring the evidence of okay, your grandmother's really happy that you have her blanket that was, you know, a quilt from 17 generations and she's so happy you have it and that to me is like wow, okay, he's tapping into something you know and I'm gonna take that message, or am I going to take both messages? Do you know what I mean, jake?
Speaker 2:
Right Like absolutely.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2:
And listen, not to say that there's anything wrong with the messages that are like your grandmother loves you, those amazing and they're beautiful. Healing yes especially when they are fostered in a session that has plenty of evidence 100 you know, because then we can confirm that that person is with us here, that we are having that dialogue and those messages kind of. Those messages will hit you differently, you know, it won't feel so topical.
Speaker 1:
So yeah, the other thing that I kind of find is that somebody, it's almost like they use their intuition and their spiritual gifts and maybe this is off topic, for what we're saying is like it makes other people feel bad about themselves, like I'm better than you because I can do this. I'm better than you because I can do this. I'm better than you because I, I am intuitive. And it's like. You know, opening yourself up to the universal realm is a God given gift to every single person. That's available for everyone, and if you're trying to make somebody feel less than that's, that's not using your gifts for good. You know, and I've I've encountered that a lot recently. That's why I'm kind of saying that and it's like what? And it makes me like not even want to come out of my spiritual closet and be honest about. Hey, this is what I'm experiencing, cause I'm like I don't want somebody to be like well, she's just being a, a narcissist, like what's going on here?
Speaker 2:
do you know what I mean? Yes, absolutely, and I want to call it the wizard of oz effect. The wizard of oz effect, you know it is behind this veil, the behind this curtain of just verbiage, yeah, behind this curtain of just words like big, broad stroke topics, and we're just kind of like cranking them out there. You know what I mean. But I mean it's just unfortunate, because I think that it's important for all of us, especially for people who are doing healings, teachings, things like that, or even if you are leading a solitary practice, I think that it is number one important to always kind of keep yourself in the loop of new information, always kind of, yes, um, not necessarily studying, but keeping yourself kind of in, dipped into the pool of, okay, what's new, what's different? How are the conversations trending? Um, is there anything misinformation wise that maybe is going around, asking yourself how you feel about the current state of reiki healing and in 2024, and how people are approaching it.
Speaker 2:
The teachings that are being passed on, or psychic readings, the types of healers that you're meeting, the types of readings that you're hearing about through clients. You know, how do you feel about those and how are you reflecting on your personal services, right, to make sure that you are upholding the utmost respect and that you were upholding, you know those, those pillars of, uh uh, professionalism, yeah, right. Integrity, yeah, but. And also, at the same time, like I would invite everybody like to not necessarily think of it as a chore to keep reading up on things, to keep staying informed. I think that reading and staying informed on these things is just so fun. It's exciting, because this whole life, this whole experience, is just an onion, right, we're always peeling back the layers. There's so much more to learn and I, just being the Pisces that I am, I, I love to learn more about it, right.
Speaker 1:
I will say the same thing. Like I'm either consuming, you know, a book, I'm taking a course, like I am somebody who I've recently, you know, gotten back into mind Valley and I'm definitely, like you know, learning like a quantum jumping course by I think his name is Bert something, and it's like I did a manifesting course and it was just an interesting perspective to see their point of view and how they're teaching the subject. And you know I'm learning and she gong, and you know anything like sound healing, like I just whatever kind of it's like suits my fancy I'm, I want to enjoy it. And you kind of brought up a good point of how things have shifted and how things have transformed. And do you remember when, like, the light workers were coming and then it was like the dark workers and now it's like what's going on now? Like where are we now? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:
like remember all that wave of especially because exactly what you just said right there, think about that. Right now, everybody's searching your brains. Where are the dark workers and the light workers right now?
Speaker 1:
it fizzled out, it was a half-baked thought process.
Speaker 2:
It was a half-baked like hype train hype train, right, that was being led, and then it just fizzles out and then the next big thing kind of happens, right, and I think that that's why it's important to you know there's a lot of things on the venn diagram right of why this happens, especially, you know, 2024, consumerism is a big thing, of course.
Speaker 2:
You know people are releasing classes, information, selling a product, selling, selling a practice. You know, and I think that that's why it's important to number one, make sure you're vetting yourself, make sure you're vetting your providers, right. And also, when you are in a session on the receiving end, you know if you're at a workshop or you're getting a healing or you're getting a message circle, you're getting a reading for yourself. Sit there in the session, of course, you know, be present in it, have fun with it, but also, at the same time, make sure that you're asking questions, make sure that you are feeling like you're getting validation for your session. I really kind of try to make it a point a lot of times throughout my sessions and check in with people, ask if they have questions, how are they feeling? It's supposed to be a personal interconnection like that. You know it's not supposed to be just me throwing words at you.
Speaker 1:
We should have a mutual rapport, we should have a mutual trust with one another that what I'm saying to you it's resonating and also like I'm respecting you as a practitioner to the client and I'm not delivering messages that might cause harm or confusion or doubt. Or you know, it's like we we've heard about where people will say like, oh, you had this past life and you did this and you were a serial killer and you did this and that and you bring it into this life and you're working on that. But what does that even mean? Like what is that? Is that beneficial for someone to truly hear that kind of message? Like, what good am I doing as a healer to provide that kind of message?
Speaker 2:
You know what that's so funny that you just said that, cause it reminded me of something that I just said the other day in a circle when I was talking to everybody they were just asking questions about like that they would.
Speaker 2:
One of my, one of the people that were sitting in were saying that they were kind of like hesitant about reading circles, just because they didn't want anything like too personal to come up or anything like too vulnerable maybe to pop up to. Yes, and I think and that's a completely valuable point, and I think that that again is coming back into the provider's corner I always tell people, especially in public circles, that if there is a message that I feel is not appropriate for that setting or that your peeps do not want to dissect or to bring in front of the group there, they will not share it. If anything, if anything quote, unquote negative or anything problematic, stressful things like that tumultuous pops up in a session, reading wise, anything, and if you've had a reading with me, I've said this 100 times spirit will never with me and you at least yeah, you know my client and myself during one of my sessions spirit will never bring something up without also having a solution or a perspective right, because what's the help?
Speaker 1:
it's not help you're like.
Speaker 2:
Otherwise we're just doomsday prepping and we're boardwalk psychicking you know, and that doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1:
Excellent boardwalk psychicking, you know, and that doesn't do anything. Excellent boardwalk psychics. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:
And there are.
Speaker 1:
Good for them. Good for them. That's what Jake's saying. Everyone Good for them.
Speaker 2:
Good for them.
Speaker 1:
But no, you're right, like we, and it kind of goes to the professionalism of, yes, it's a spiritual practice and some might think it, you know woo-woo or whatever. But a lot of what I know for Jake and myself, like we, like the science-based practices where you know they've tested the electromagnetic frequencies there, they've tested, there's actual like research that has been done to the work that we do and there is evidence to back up what we're doing that we can draw on. Like you know, jake and I both, you know, come from you know like I'm in the medical realm, he's going, he's also in the medical realm, it's like. So we have the science to back up what we're doing and we also know that we need to check in with ourselves of if and you said this in the beginning if we're seeing something, hearing something, you know, witnessing something, we need to check in and say, okay, what is this?
Speaker 1:
What is this? Is this real? Is this? Is my Jason laughed my retina detaching? Is it a mental illness that's popping up? Is it? Am I having a stroke Like it's like off? Is it? Am I having a stroke Like it's like? We need to check in and truly you can't just say that everything's a spiritual nuance. You can't you know what I mean. Does that make sense with you, jake? Like I can't put every single thing that I see as well, this is a spiritual sign.
Speaker 2:
Yes, just because I think that it's important, because it it it's important to keep that first principle in mind. Um, uh, uh, oh, god damn it, what is uh?
Speaker 1:
do no harm discernment. Check it out.
Speaker 2:
I found it. I found the word discernment is like the number one pillar that we should all be looking at our practice through, how we are delivering our messages, what kind of messages we want to deliver? Are the messages that I'm giving? Are the healings that I'm giving accurate? Are they reaching the other person? Is there helpful nuggets of wisdom in what I'm delivering here? Right? And also, I just listen, I just know what I know. I know what I know and I talk about what I know. I don't try to, I don't try to be a jack of all trades and talk about things that I don't know. You know, if I feel that you would really benefit from you know numerology, or benefit from really exploring your record records, I'll tell them hey, go see Rachel, because I'm not your gal for that and I'm good with that same I'm.
Speaker 1:
The same way. If I, if I'm, if I'm going to point you in a direction of a psychic or a medium, I'm gonna say go see jake, like I'm not those things, like you want to go on a ghost hunt, go get jake, like that's not me, like and listen.
Speaker 2:
I know that a lot of people, especially a lot of like providers, like on our end would be would not necessarily say this so often, but I am very open and clear with my clients and I have had probably only a handful in my 10 years of reading for people. But I've had a couple people that I really haven't had any messages come through in our session. So I've given their money back and I'm like hey friend, I'm so sorry, we're just not connecting, yes, for no reason, but I obviously don't want to, you know, lose respect for anybody's time or especially money.
Speaker 1:
Don't, don't try to pull something out. If you're not, if you're not able to connect and be honest, I will say that my clients, I bet yours will, yours do as well. If I am not feeling a hundred percent or something's off, I will message my clients hey, I'm really sorry, this is just not going to click. Like, I'll even do it if I'm doing an interview like I'm not a hundred percent and I'm sorry and I think people will respect one, I'm being authentic and I'm not going to take advantage of someone. And the same thing with you. Like you're like, hey, it's just not clicking, and that's okay, it's okay. We're not going to click with every single person in the world. There's billions upon billions of people we're not for everything.
Speaker 1:
Like, think about it. I'm sorry this is a really small topic, but think about how many people are in your world, like and I'm like, but I vibe with you, like it's so interesting how that actually kind of works.
Speaker 2:
when you think about how many people are in the world and you're in my realm, it's weird no it is really cool for being in my realm thank you for being in my realm, or or am I in your realm?
Speaker 1:
we're in each other's realm, they're, they're meshing.
Speaker 2:
That is something that we could bring to science like go ahead yeah, I think that's really cool, exactly so, like you with, with good intention, you will find the people that are right for you provider wise, customer wise, client wise, um, and and that's just one of those like fun, fun little like idiosyncrasies, which is like why you'll be in a workshop or why we'll be in a group setting doing maybe group messages, things like that, and we find that similar messages are coming up between the attendants who?
Speaker 2:
don't even know each other. Yes, I think that that just kind of speaks for the fact that, like when it's right, it's right and the right people kind of attract at the same time, for the same reason, I agree, yeah, which is so.
Speaker 1:
It's really it's it's interesting when you really think about like who's actually who you've encountered in your life and who's like it's like what is that saying? Like some people are in there for a day, some people are in for a season, some are in for a lifetime a reason or a season.
Speaker 1:
Thank you. It's so true, though, but let's go back to the beginning of. We were kind of talking about how, maybe sometimes, spiritual practices may really lead people down a dark path where they may commit harm to themselves or commit harm to others, and where is the line between spirituality and is this mental illness or something medically going on? And how do you check into yourself to determine what's up?
Speaker 2:
yeah, um, I mean I can. I'll really only speak from my personal experience and kind of try, let me try to remember back in my day how I did it and how you probably still do it now sometimes.
Speaker 2:
Yes, I think it's number one. That's why it's really important to have a personal practice to have time in your in your personal life to decompress, meditate, have a moment to reflect, have some time to just have yourself check in, say, okay, what's going on? Am I in the right space to hold this right now, to to have this kind of work going on, to accept clients, blah, blah, blah, um, and or am I feeling like the temperature is a little bit too hot? Right now? I feel a little bit overstressed. I feel like I'm kind of leaning a little bit into the, the dark and stormy weather of the brain, which listen, everybody has it, especially me, yeah, and I, and it's okay to take our, our spiritual vacations from that.
Speaker 2:
I think it's necessary um, for me at least I I can find that you know every I would say probably like every couple of months I will take a break from doing sessions, just because I think that it can get easy to really get ungrounded.
Speaker 2:
I agree, and I find that sometimes I will prioritize sessions, healing work, things like that over my mundane life.
Speaker 2:
You know, and then you know so again, checking in with yourself, making sure that we're keeping things in balance right, yeah, but I also think at the same time for, you know and then you know so again, checking in with yourself, making sure that we're keeping things in balance right, yeah, but I also think at the same time, for you know, if we are starting to do sessions for people or we're offering a service, you know it's I really enjoyed. I thought it was really cool and a lot of the teachers from when I started really enforced the idea of kind of having like case files, case studies right on your clients that you're reading for um, writing down what kind of messages came forward, taking a look at that after the fact and saying, okay, what kind of messages popped up? Did I feel like I was delivering evidence in the session? Um, was I? Was I meeting the ultimate goal of the session and did I meet the needs or the wants of the of the querying Right?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's so, so important. I will say that I do. And even if you're doing your own solitary work, like if you're going in and doing meditative practices, or maybe you're going into your records or you're doing candle work, whatever it is like maybe just taking a journal and really like writing down, okay, these are my impressions that I received from this, and then going back maybe a couple months later and be like, okay, yeah, that that did make sense, okay, I was spot on there. Oh, maybe that was a little wonky, I don't know. Like you know, and I do take notes and I like you, every single session I have notes on and it's like, oh yeah, this was really good and this maybe I wasn't a hundred percent that day, or you know, and I like you too, I will take time off from doing my spiritual work.
Speaker 1:
I'll take time off from doing sessions, from healings, from teaching, from doing interviews, like I will. I'll take some me time, you know. Go back to nature, go spend time with my family and friends, go have, you know, margaritas and chips and dip with jake and yes like.
Speaker 1:
You know what I mean like go have some fun, break up that energy. And also another thing is is that I do have wonderful spiritual practitioners, such as jake and other people, that I can tap into and be like I don't know if this is real, like and I and I legitimately have texted that to jake and be like I don't know if this is real, like and I and I legitimately have texted that to Jake and be like I think this is full of shit and he'll be like, maybe it is and that's okay. Like it's okay to be honest with oneself and as a practitioner, it's okay. Like if you're inviting that permission and asking them hey, do I need to maybe go see a medical professional or is this something in the spiritual realm? And I'm going to appreciate what they're saying. But I'm also going to trust discernment and my own self and say, okay, rachel, maybe it's time to just go to sleep, maybe it's time to take a break.
Speaker 2:
Like what do you think? I completely agree. Like, listen, I, in the past couple of months I've been having some issues with medical issues, with headaches, migraines, things like that. I recently found out that I may or may not have a little bit of glaucoma in my left eye. So the reason why I'm sharing that is because so it impacts your peripheral vision, right. That is because so it impacts your peripheral vision, right. So meaning that not every shadow I see out of the corner of my eye is one that has to be spoken for when I see it, unless maybe I see it again and it has something to say yes, good point. Or or I feel something coming from that, or I feel it as an energy, not every single thing that you see, because, listen, our brains are very fascinating creature, are very fascinating mechanisms.
Speaker 2:
And when we're under stress it can create narratives, it can create things. That makes things easier, right, that makes things a little bit more accessible. So that's why it's important to number one. The first number one rule is to know yourself, know yourself and to check in, know your limitations and understand what conditions you're under at the current moment.
Speaker 1:
I would say. Number two is to really look at the source, from where the information is coming from. So if somebody is on TikTok and they're talking about the end of the world like I will say that I saw a lot of people talking about the end of the world Like I will say that I saw a lot of people talking about the end of the world with the clubs coming up and it was like guys, what?
Speaker 1:
is going on here Like it was, like it was almost like and I don't like things that are fear-based and like that fear mentality and I think if something's coming from a fear-based, really check into that before you you jump into that. Well, like, really check into that before you, you jump into that. Well, like, really check into it. If things are, you know, coming from a place of service and love and true, you know, humanity for others, then maybe that's a path you want to go down, but leave that other crap at the door.
Speaker 2:
You know I and I exactly, and I think that a lot and again, a lot of this stuff is easier said after the years of experience that both of us have the gifts of having. Yeah um wait, what was I just gonna say?
Speaker 1:
probably about things that are you know, and I'm sorry, jake, I'm hijacking your thought here. Another thing I was thinking about like I really think that people that are charismatic and really have that wonderful personality to suck you in, like and maybe you don't realize what they're doing and maybe they can be manipulating you, like let's think about excellent salespeople. Okay, like, yes, I will go buy that car Like it's like people that are excellent at their craft. Maybe take it apart a little bit and what is underneath that layer Is it good? Take it apart a little bit and what is underneath that layer Is it good? Is it something of my, for me, of good intent and of my highest intentions, like cause?
Speaker 1:
I do feel like I'm sorry, jake, again I'm hijacking more thoughts it's it's like when you go into a cult did you watch that TikTok special about that 7M and the dancers and you know, and how the, the, the family, like the one guy, he kind of he won't allow you to talk to your family, but they're online now saying we're not a cult, but they've done sexual abuse, financial abuse, like you know, pulling away from your family, and it's like what's real here and what's not? He has not seen it by his face, but I recommend it's on. It's on Netflix and it's like is this one recommend it's on.
Speaker 1:
It's on Netflix and it's like is this one where it's like 20 people living in an apartment together? Yes, I think it's part of that and I think now, but one of them like got married and like that they they wouldn't go to the sister and the family, but then when they would go online, they weren't allowed to talk. But really all it is, jake, is they're they're Christians and you know they're just giving their life to God while giving this man all of their money, and you know everything else so it's, I think, people that are in a vulnerable state and looking for meaning or looking for purpose.
Speaker 1:
people prey on those individuals and I do think it's easy to get sucked into things such as a cult or maybe an abusive relationship. Maybe you know I give my money to the people that are online saying I have a curse on me and pay me $7,000 if you want to remove, but yet has never had a conversation with me.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
Sorry, go ahead Jake.
Speaker 2:
I think I remembered what my thought was yes okay, brings me to my point, and I feel like we've probably said this on past episodes um, very seldom, is there ever anything that is very urgently uh, um, ominous and and impending doom?
Speaker 2:
uh, and when I say seldom, rarely ever, right so, and that's not to say that you know, we all have traumatic events that we are healing from. Maybe we do have things that are severely impacting our current day right now energetically. Blah, blah, blah. That's all very real things. But take a step back and ask yourself do I feel like I'm in an episode of Supernatural right now? If the answer is yes, we have to go back to square. Supernatural right now. If the answer is yes, we have to go back to square one and we have to take a. We have to check our bases. Number one, like if, unless you are being snatched out of your bed by a demon in the middle of the night. Number one go check and see that all of your doors and windows are locked, then then maybe let's have a conversation about, maybe, some paranormal activity. Yes, um, but let's, let's not get sucked into that kind of like because, listen, fear is a very easy sales tactic it 100 is yes, and very often.
Speaker 2:
Why do you?
Speaker 1:
think horror movies are so popular. Why is dateline so popular?
Speaker 2:
absolutely, but that's also the important kind of thing too, that there's two branches that I noticed in spirituality that are sales tactics fear and love.
Speaker 2:
Oh, yes, love and love, love and love yes, when they're really laying it on thick. Either way, yeah, I think that it's okay to be a little bit more scrutinous and to ask questions and to also take your time before coming up with a conclusion. You know, I feel like there's still several things in my personal practice that I have number one, changed my opinion on over the years, and, number two, that I'm still not quite sure what the answers are, or quite sure about where I necessarily stand on certain things, and so I'm taking my time to learn that.
Speaker 1:
I agree with you and I think also as a spiritual practitioner it's okay to pivot, it's okay to change your mind, it's okay to be like this no longer resonates with me. It's okay to be like, yeah, I was training this modality but it's something I don't use anymore, like it's okay to evolve into as a human being living in a world. It's okay to evolve and it's okay to pivot, and I think sometimes we get stuck in boxes. As spiritual practitioners, the light workers, the dart workers, the law of attraction workers, the I'm going to find your twin flame workers, the you know it's okay to be, it's okay to be, to be ever evolving, for what you need as a being and also what your clients need. What I did 10 years ago is not what I'm doing now. It's really changed and evolved. Anything else you want to add in before we close up our our episode?
Speaker 2:
No, I think that that was a really great point to end it on. I think that we should always stay open to having our mind changed and being shown a different perspective and to learning something new, because we are not the end all be all. We are just human and, at the end of the day, for all of our listeners, these abilities, these gifts, the capacity to heal and receive information from spirit every single one of you listening and get very close to the kid into the microphone when you are listening to this every single one of you have the ability to do that for yourself. Not a man. A person on this earth is singular to that fact.
Speaker 1:
Um and all you have to do is go inward exactlyword, Exactly.
Speaker 2:
No one will ever tell me otherwise and I will never stop singing that to the rooftops. So it's what, and what he's saying is you.
Speaker 1:
Basically, you have all the power that you're looking for. All the wisdom that you're looking for. All the wisdom that you're looking for, all the guidance that you're looking for is within. You just have to be willing to go within, go inward, get still and listen. That's it. Thank you, jake.
Speaker 2:
Thank you, Rachel All right Till next time. Till next time, bye, bye.
