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E64 - Antifreeze, Friends, Gas, and Guns

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So how do you poison someone with antifreeze and get away with it? Apparently you don’t, as one North Dakota woman found out. Also, how many close friends do you have? It’s probably more than we do, but is that higher or lower than the average American? Also, the gas chamber makes a comeback in Alabama, and how do we deal with guns being made from 3D printers? A couple of states are answering that question by trying to ban the printers. Is that the right solution? 

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Jeff:

This week, beware of beer that tastes too sweet, friends in America, the gas chamber makes a comeback, and 3D guns. Welcome to Subpar Talks. Hey everybody, welcome to Subpar Talks, where we have conversations about everything. I'm Jeff.

Chris:

And I'm Chris.

Jeff:

Thank you again for joining us, and yes, of course, here we go, our standard disclaimer, listener discretion is advised. We are going to curse, perhaps a lot, and depending on the episode, we are going to touch on some mature subject matter, and we inject our humor into a lot of this stuff. So if that is not your thing, then perhaps this podcast is not for you. But for everybody else, settle in, get ready, because here we go with this week's topics. Uh, do you deal with antifreeze a lot?

Chris:

I don't, I've never really had to, I don't know. I think I kind of take it for granted that once it's in the car, you're good to go.

Jeff:

Yeah, that's kind of the way I am. Do you like the smell of it?

Chris:

No, I don't like the smell of antifreeze. It's kind of a pungent smell.

Jeff:

It is.

Chris:

Yeah, it's pretty strong.

Jeff:

And I associate it with, well, fuck me, something's wrong with the car. Like it's, so I have a bad association with it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. The reason I ask is, I saw this, uh, oh, I don't know, maybe a couple of weeks ago. A woman in North Dakota is accused of killing her boyfriend by poisoning him with antifreeze.

Chris:

Really? So how does that happen?

Jeff:

So, OK, I was curious about that. How do you poison somebody with antifreeze? And like, did she think she was going to get away with it? I don't know. I, I have a lot of questions anyway. Okay. She, she poisoned. Okay. Oh, this is all allegedly, but there's a shit ton of evidence against her. She allegedly poisoned her boyfriend with antifreeze. They had recently been to his attorney and it was determined that he was. Uh, set to get a 30 million inheritance. Whoa. And she suspected or knew, I don't remember, that he had planned to end their relationship. Mm hmm. So she is claiming that Clock's ticking. She is claiming that they were, uh, in a common law marriage. They had never been formally married, but they were a common law marriage. After she was arrested, she was promptly told that common law marriage does not exist in North Dakota. You're either formally married or you're not, so she'd be fucked on that. Anyway, now she's fucked her life over and she's going to be going to prison, most likely, for the rest of her life. Big mistake. Yeah, big mistake indeed. So, anyway, they, uh, she had been out with him and some friends, and some friends witnessed her giving him, uh, sweet tea, and when the authorities searched the house, they also found a Coors Light bottle that tested positive for antifreeze. And a Windex bottle that tested positive for antifreeze. A Windex? What's, how's that gonna do anything? I don't know. I don't know what her plan was there. Actually, I have no idea what the fuck her plan was anyway. Why did she think she was gonna get away with this? I

Chris:

don't know. That's, that's what I'm thinking. Like, first of all. How do you drink antifreeze in something and not know it? I mean, you talk about the smell of it. I would, I know it's supposed to be sweet. Because pets can be drawn to it, you know, that's why you can't leave it out. But I can't imagine that you wouldn't smell it and go, the hell's wrong with this beer or

Jeff:

whatever else you're drinking. Actually, antifreeze might improve the taste of Coors Light. Well, it's

Chris:

true.

Jeff:

Yeah, I don't know. And there is a testimony now in an affidavit that she had made statements before and after. About poisoning him with antifreeze. So that kind of makes me think she was given a big fuck you to him. Like if I'm not going to get any of this inheritance then. But I don't know that conflicts with their statement says she thought they were common law married, so I have no idea. She might be totally off her rocket. Well,

Chris:

that's. That's just really poor planning. I mean, I don't know, I don't know anything about killing. Somebody. in a non discovered way. Like, how could you have them die and get away with it? But there's gotta be better ways than that. Some kind of drugs that are hard to detect or

Jeff:

something. I can guarantee you they're going to find her search history. And there's going to be, because how do you know how much antifreeze you need to kill a person? Nobody knows that. What do I need, like a cup? Or a teaspoon? Nobody knows. So it says, uh, He started complaining of feeling ill. Complaining that he felt drunk, although he had not consumed any alcohol at all. Then he reported stomach pain and he nearly collapsed. That's when they called the paramedics. And he went to the ER and then he was transferred to a hospital and he died the next day. So she's fucked. Yeah, she is. I don't get that. She's pretty stupid. We could probably do a whole segment. Well, you probably have a whole podcast out there on stupid criminals, but she would Oh, absolutely. She would fit right here. Yeah. Oh, she said, uh, when they started going through the house. Of course, she's probably in panic mode by that point, you know, the police are rifling through the house. And she says, uh, he might have accidentally, tell me if this is ever a possibility for you, he might have accidentally ingested the antifreeze because, quote, he was smoking a cigarette that may have fallen into antifreeze in the garage.

Chris:

Yeah, that's always a big concern of mine. Yeah,

Jeff:

how stupid.

Chris:

The antifreeze that I left open and something that I'm sucking on or eating could have fallen

Jeff:

into it. Yeah. I've always said defense attorneys have the toughest job in the world because they're the ones who have to deal with this shit and they make this claim and defense attorneys have to present that straight face to the jury and a judge and damn, that's just absurd. But yeah, I mean, it's their job, but still. That would be

Chris:

crazy tough to have to defend people like that. Where, you know 100 percent that they did it, and you gotta make up something to try to give them a reasonable doubt? I don't think so.

Jeff:

I thought this was interesting. Pew Research did a study on, it was a survey of Americans. And they're friends. And it was asking just general questions, like how many close friends do you have? And then they asked, you know, topics of conversations that typically come up with your friends and, and all of that. And, uh, Of course, I thought about, and maybe you have, just in the few seconds since I introduced this topic, but Jerry, when he ditches Ramon on the subway, says, I've already got three friends, I really can't handle anymore. Yep, that's about tops. OK, so, I'll give some more information on this survey, but let me ask you, so Jerry, Has three close friends, all right, from the show. What percentage of Americans have three close friends, would you say?

Chris:

So I'm also thinking what percentage have them and what percentage think they have them? Because I've talked to some people and it's like, they seem to have friends out the wazoo, but then when it comes down to it, most of those are just acquaintances.

Jeff:

Right. Yeah. I wonder that too. And I guess we'd have to look at the survey. I've only looked at the NPR article. We'd have to look at the survey. Did they define what a close friend is for people? I don't know.

Chris:

Because I would say, I would think that most people don't really have more than two or three close

Jeff:

friends. That's what I would think. Uh, according to the survey, 18 percent of Americans have three close friends. 8 percent have no close friends. OK. Have you ever read, and they mentioned this in there, have you ever read, like there's a lot of, of studies that have been done on, uh, your mental health and physical health and how it's related to how many friends you have and that social interaction and all that. Right. And it kind of worries me when I read that stuff because

Chris:

Uh, I'm not gonna make it. Yeah, I've seen, yeah, I've seen that stuff, talking about longevity, and the people that live the longest are the happiest, and they have the most social interaction and all that, and like, all of that social interaction would kill me early

Jeff:

anyway. Well, I was going to say, so what about the more introverted people? Like, doesn't that just take years off your life if you constantly have to be interacting with people? Right?

Chris:

You would think so. But then what does that mean? Are there, there are a lot of old, lonely people

Jeff:

too, right? So yeah. Yeah. So there's still those people that are living. Yeah. They survived. It

Chris:

was just all their friends didn't make it.

Jeff:

They've already died off. So. Here's the key findings according to NPR, um, according to Pew, 61 percent of adults in the U. S. say that having close friends is essential to living a fulfilling life, that's more than those who cited marriage, children, or money. Wow. 61%. Yeah. That seems really high. 53 percent said they have between one and four close friends, 38 percent said they have five or more, and then, oh, I just gave this, but the 8 percent say they have no close friends.

Chris:

See what'd you say? Have five or more?

Jeff:

30 something? 38 percent said they have five or more, yeah. I don't know if I

Chris:

believe, see, that's where I don't know if I believe that.

Jeff:

I don't, uh, yeah. That's a lot. Again, I want to know how they define close. Yeah. Close friend.

Chris:

Like, how frequently do you talk to these people? How frequently do you see these people?

Jeff:

This last bullet point here. About 8 percent say they have no close friends. That adds up with what some experts are describing as an epidemic of loneliness for some Americans. So they have a whole article on that. But I remember the surgeon general, uh, not too long ago, uh, he came out and talked about this epidemic of loneliness and how it's dangerous for physical and mental health. And he said, Oh, here it is right here. He said, The epidemic of loneliness in the United States and lacking a connection can increase the risk for premature death to levels comparable to smoking 15 cigarettes a day. Oh, shit! I know it. So... Maybe we need to go make some friends

Chris:

or start smoking. Just double up. We could make friends and start smoking and we wouldn't be losing anything. Yeah, it'd

Jeff:

be a wash.

Chris:

That's awesome. Wow. That's really scary. You know, they say sitting is the new cancer. Just being inactive. Yeah. So I don't know that I care for all of that. That's like just sitting and being alone is equivalent to smoking that much. But, but what about the, what, what do you say? I don't know. I'm not the kind of person, I'm not the person who can't handle being in social situations. You know, there are people like that, but they're just like a true anxiety from and things like that. I'm not that, I just get to the point that that's enough, you know, I've had it, I've had enough. I like social interaction, it's just I want it to be quality, I'm with you, I can only take so much small talk. Like, it's gotta be quality, and then it can only be so much, and to me, that's gonna come from those closest friends. I don't want social interaction just for the fact of having it, because that is not fulfilling

Jeff:

to me. Yeah, I agree. I'm the same exact way. Uh, I can handle it for a certain amount of time. OK, so they have seven categories here because one of the things they measured in the survey is what people talk about. And so this is the percent of saying, percent of people saying they talk about this stuff extremely often or often. So you tell me men versus women on all of these. Who's more likely to talk about their work, men or women? Men. I would have thought so too, but more women are likely, er, women are likelier to talk about work than men. Really? Yeah. By a lot? Uh, 61 percent of women said they do it extremely often, or often compared to 54%, 54 percent for men. OK. So not that much of a gap, but I would have thought men would be higher. Yeah, I would too. OK, how about family life, men or women?

Chris:

Well, I mean, when you put it like that, now that you've already said that about work, it would make me think that maybe men talk about family

Jeff:

life more. Women and it's a 20 percent gap, 67 to 47. Whoa, OK.

Chris:

Current events. Watching TV, men complain a lot about family life. Yeah, so you would think that that could come

Jeff:

up.

Chris:

Yep. Current events,

Jeff:

men. Yeah, men 53 to 44. OK. Physical health, men or women? Hmm,

Chris:

I'm going to say

Jeff:

men. I think I would have answered that too, but it's actually women, 41 to 31. Really? Yeah. Pop culture, like TV shows or books. That's got to be women. It is women, it's a pretty narrow gap, 37 to 32. This one's easy, sports. Men. Yeah. Huge gap, 37 to 13. And then mental health, men or women. That's gotta be

Chris:

women.

Jeff:

Yeah. 31 to 15. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I'm kinda surprised on, uh, well, at least a few of those. Yeah, I was too. But, again. I don't like, I was going to say, I don't have friends. I have friends, but I don't know what we talk about. It's like when you and I, you know, my wife asks, what did y'all talk about? I don't know. I do what we talked about. I don't know.

Chris:

Well, we've covered a lot of those different things. Honestly, it just depends on the day. True. But it's kind of like us talking on here. There's really nothing. That we don't talk about. It's just the day different things come up at different times. Oh,

Jeff:

they've got a little, uh, a link to another article. Five easy tips for making friends as an adult. No. Okay.

Chris:

Maybe we need to check that out. Do we need to talk about

Jeff:

it? Uh, number one, get the word out. OK. No. The first part of this line is get yourself out there. Nope. I'm not doing that. See? I'm not getting myself out there. Right. No. Um, reconnect with old friends. Nope. No.

Chris:

Got rid of them for a reason.

Jeff:

Incorporate more routine into your day. Uh, setting time aside for activities, communities, or places you love. Can help you feel more at home. Do you go on a run every morning? No. Try, uh, try running at the same park for a week. Go back to that restaurant around the block. So this is like going to the same bar or whatever. I can see that. Yeah. Like cheers.

Chris:

Everybody knows your name.

Jeff:

Yeah. So, this says, uh, incorporate more routine into your day. My days are pretty damn routine, like I'm not designing what they want. Scope out interest groups. The hell? Group settings like interest or identity based communities are also helpful for meeting new people. Yeah, like hobbies or something like that. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Uh, now you can find most of them online. Food, sports, pets, parenting, or religion to name a few. And then focus on the connection, not the friendship. To help yourself be present and to not put so much pressure on things, try to focus on being connected in the moment as opposed to maybe obsessing about what this might turn into. Just thinking about this stuff sounds exhausting to me. It

Chris:

does. And I wouldn't be obsessed about what it would turn into, I am thinking about the moment. Like, am I, am I happy in this moment, or am I exhausted by it? Like, you know, do I, do I want to continue talking to this

Jeff:

person? Yeah, sounds like work, sounds like too much work.

Chris:

And that's just it. It shouldn't be, it should be easy, it should be natural, it should just happen. If it feels like work, then it's not the right thing.

Jeff:

Yeah. And it's so, it's different from when you were a kid, I mean, think about the friends you had when you were a kid. Why were you friends with them? Because they either live close to you... Or went to the same school you did or church or both. And it's not like you were going here, going there, whatever. Like you were around these people and damn, I can understand why some people in their job, especially during COVID and the aftermath of all that, you're just working alone and not really interacting with a lot of people.

Chris:

Well, when I think back, I mean, I can certainly say this now, but I, well, you know, I, I could have just been a weird kid, but I thought about this when I was a kid, is that how many of the people that I was around did I necessarily consider good friends versus acquaintances? Even though I was around them a lot because of circumstances, like you said, it's church, school, neighborhood, whatever. And now? What is it? If you don't have those interest groups or something like that, that they're talking about in that article, then most of the people that you're around are probably because of work. The adult equivalent of school. So

Jeff:

it's like you're,

Chris:

you're around these people and are they your friends? Probably not. They're more like acquaintances. All right. So way back, I can't believe it's been this long ago. It's episode eight. We talked about botched

Jeff:

executions. Oh

Chris:

yeah. OK, so in that episode,

Jeff:

that was fun by the

Chris:

way, it was, he had a long list of all these executions by state of times that it failed. So he came across this article of a guy who was supposed to be executed in Alabama and yeah, supposed to be, there's a key word, key phrase. It was a, a lethal injection that was botched, so says the article. They called it a botched execution. So, not sure what happened, but it didn't work. He is scheduled for execution again, and get this, he has elected. And this just blows my mind. He has elected to be executed by nitrogen gas.

Jeff:

Oh God. Yeah. Sounds like the gas chamber. Yes.

Chris:

Now I don't know, I mean, when we talked about it before and you were talking about the gas chamber, you were talking about sulfur gas and that was where, you know, you're supposed to watch, they drop something in. What did they drop it in acid or something? I don't know. And you're supposed to watch for the gas to rise.

Jeff:

I think that's right. And you can see, yeah, you can see it rise up and they tell you when you see that to start breathing, take a deep breath. See,

Chris:

I got to start breathing right now. Just thinking

Jeff:

about it. I know it. Damn. So

Chris:

yeah, this is going to be nitrogen gas and here's the thing. This has not been done in any other state. So

Jeff:

this particular type of gas?

Chris:

No. So why would you, why would you want that? I don't know if you're going to feel like you're suffocating. Does it put you to sleep? I mean, that's what I would hope is that, you know, it's like an ether or something and you just go to sleep and that's it. Well,

Jeff:

when we talked about those botched executions, the gas chamber. Remember they had to strap you to a chair and they would tell you to breathe in, but there were instances of people shitting themselves, puking, pissing all over the place. Yeah. So damn, who knows what this is going to do. And this has never been done on a human before. Right. So I'm certainly his attorneys are appealing this, but yeah. Why the fuck would he choose that? I guess he doesn't want to go through whatever he went through with the lethal injection. I

Chris:

guess. But see, that's like, you know, when, when we talked about this before. And we were answering the question, what would you want to have happen to you? If you were going to be executed?

Jeff:

Firing squad.

Chris:

That's what we said. It's like one and done, you know? Yeah. Just strap me to the chair. I'm going to, you said, you're going to stick your chest out. Like, this is, this is where I want you to plan it. Yeah.

Jeff:

Like,

Chris:

yeah, damn, just

Jeff:

be done. So I remember this has been, uh, maybe 15 or 20 years ago. I might've talked about this on that episode, but. All those botched executions with lethal injection that they've had, there were at least a couple in Ohio, I think, in Oklahoma, and I don't know where else, evidently Alabama too, but, uh, there was a guy in Tennessee who was going to be executed, and Tennessee's law Was at least at that time that when you're sentenced to death, you can choose how you want to die among the methods of execution that were available when you were convicted of capital murder and he didn't want to go through all that. And so he chose the electric chair and I think he's the last one or most recent one to be executed by electric chair in the US. But that was, yeah, I want to say that was like 2010, maybe a little bit before that. See, I can't imagine that either.

Chris:

No, no. The pain that you would have and it's not instantaneous. That's the thing. I want it to be instantaneous and that's what I can't imagine even though like with a lethal injection. You know, you're going to sleep. It's well, I assume it's not painful. I don't know, but I've assumed it wouldn't be with, with what the drugs are that you're getting and it is putting you to sleep first paralyzes you and so on, I'm still thinking about

Jeff:

it. I know. Yeah. That's horrible. As

Chris:

it's happening. I mean, of course, even in front of a firing squad, you're thinking about, Oh, when's the shot coming? But it's like when the shot happens, it's over as opposed to, Oh, they've started the drugs and I know

Jeff:

this. Yeah, I, I

Chris:

would, I think I would die of a heart

Jeff:

attack. Well, I'm having to get a deep breath talking about it. Damn. I, I cannot imagine. Did you see the movie? I saw the movie, but I also read the book Dead Man Walking.

Chris:

Yes. I think I only saw it once. It was a long time ago, but it was good.

Jeff:

Yeah. The first part of that book, holy shit. Cause it's going through his like final hours. Like he's talking to his family and holy hell. Like it was, it was intense going through all that reading it and knowing like, if you're in his shoes, you know, you're about to die. Like, I can't, I don't know how people breathe at that point. You know what's coming. I don't know

Chris:

either. That was a

Jeff:

true story, right? It was. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see what happens with this guy in Alabama, what the courts are going to say about it. Yeah,

Chris:

no kidding. Wasn't, uh, was the name of that movie, um, The Life of David Gale? Oh, that's a good movie. Was that one? Yeah. I was trying to remember if that was exactly the name, but yeah. Yeah. That was a really good one. Very interesting perspective on the death penalty

Jeff:

right there. Man, so that had Kevin Spacey in it. I recently watched, again, American Beauty. You like that movie? Yeah, it's a good movie. It's a great movie. Best picture of that year too. Did it win best picture? Yeah, it sure did. Well, that makes sense because it's so good. That's funny. It's got some heavy stuff in it, but it's funny. It's funny,

Chris:

it's weird, it's deep. Uh, I like it a lot. Yeah, I watched it again within the last year or so. And, you know, there were parts of it that I had forgotten. I was just like, yeah, that is... That's some quality

Jeff:

stuff. Sure is. So you should watch this movie. It was good. Um, and it's based on a true story. American made it's got Tom Cruise in it. I had never even heard of it. It's on Netflix. So this guy. Was an airline pilot. This is the 1970s. He was an airline pilot for TWA. Mm-Hmm. And the CIA, uh, contacts him. This guy just meets up with him in an airport and they want him to, um, start. Uh, what did he initially start doing? I don't remember. He ended up running... Uh, he ended up working for the CIA, and flying planes down to Nicaragua and Colombia, but he ends up running drugs and guns for the cartel, and he like gets in with Pablo Escobar, kinda reminds me of Blow. Yeah, you know that movie? Yeah. But anyway, it's good. Yeah, you should check that out. American Made. It's a true story? Yeah, it is. Yeah. Wow. And, yeah, that's all I'll say. I don't want to spoil anything, but yeah, it's good. But he

Chris:

was doing that while he was working for the CIA?

Jeff:

Yep. He sure was. Oh, right. Yeah. Cause it was during, so by the time he was doing that it was the early 80s and that was when, uh, Reagan wanted us to support the contrast fighting the, the Sandinistas, remember all that shit and you know, the communist government and Nicaragua. And so he was in with all that yeah. Man. Sometimes

Chris:

I hear about things that were going on in the seventies and. And I was, you know, young and not knowing or paying attention to anything. And I go, man, you really missed out on some good shit.

Jeff:

I know it. Yeah. I

Chris:

mean, what do we like, what do we have like that going on now? I don't know.

Jeff:

Maybe it is. And yeah, I mean, it seems like you could get away with a lot more back then. Like there just wasn't, wasn't the intelligence, right? Okay. There wasn't the intelligence, you know, that they have now. In fact, that's one thing he ended up doing with the CIA as he was trying to get pictures, evidence, uh, of, uh, the cartel using illegal drugs and, or not their guns. And, uh, you know, getting people's faces, uh, on camera and all that today, they just fly a drone over and yeah, well, I don't know how we got off on that. Uh, what were we botched executions? I don't know. Oh, uh, Kevin Spacey. Talking about movies. Yeah. Yeah. Kevin Spacey. And then I thought of American beauty. Yeah. Well, that's how our minds work. Speaking of that, the guy, uh, with the execution and choosing the gas chamber, this is, uh, this has been probably four or five years ago, but there was a guy in Pennsylvania who was. Convicted of murder and he was sentenced to life in prison. And while in prison, he, uh, had a heart attack or something, but they had to rush him to the prison hospital or infirmary or whatever they call it. And they had to do the, the paddles, you know, the shock thing, whatever, to start his heart again. And they did. And so he contacted his attorney and his attorney, talking about attorneys actually having to make an argument with a straight face, he argued that he was sentenced to life in prison and his life ended so he can now not be re imprisoned.

Chris:

Oh yeah, I remember

Jeff:

that. Yeah, I was going to say you might remember it because it's one of those stories that, you know, makes the rounds pretty easily. Uh, but the, the judge said, nice try, but no, still the same life.

Chris:

Okay. Well, when, when do you, well, I guess your life has to be permanently over, not temporarily.

Jeff:

I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. But pretty, uh, novel argument, I'd say. It is.

Chris:

That's a pretty, yeah, I like that. That's a good argument. Okay. So I saw an article the other day. Um, that caught my attention. It's, it sounds kind of crazy on the face of it, but it says hobbyists push back against 3d printer crackdowns. And the basis of it is, it says there are laws in New York and California, or they're trying to make laws, to make it more difficult to buy 3D printers because people are using it to print guns and gun parts with those 3D printers. Yeah, I've heard of that. I've heard of that too, but I never thought about them actually cracking down on the printer itself, and that's just kind of fascinating to me. Do you know how

Jeff:

three D printers work?

Chris:

I don't have a clue.

Jeff:

I mean, some alone.

Chris:

I understand the concept a little well. Okay. I don't know. Let's back up a little bit. It's hard enough to understand how a normal printer works. It's so true. I mean, let's just go back to dot matrix stuff. I am a tech person and I don't understand when you say print, what makes it. Actually get the stuff onto the paper. I just take that for granted right there. And that's, that's when you got something impacting the page. Now you want to go to like ink jets and, and laser printers and stuff like that. That's a whole other thing.

Jeff:

Yeah, it is. Uh, no, I don't get it either. This makes me think of our conversations before, like, if it were up to us, we'd be shitting in a hole, but you said, what would we dig the hole with? Have to invent

Chris:

the shovel.

Jeff:

Yep. So yeah, I don't know how anything works. And you can add 3D printers to that list, I have no clue, I'd like to see it, like, I guess I can YouTube it, but, what the hell, like, how do you, what the fuck is in the printer that is creating whatever you're printing, a gun, like, how does that happen?

Chris:

So, so that I know, it's a filament, and it, so you buy it on a spool. And it, I mean, it looks like it's thicker than thread, but what could I equate it to almost like it's thinner than this, but almost like, um, a spool, a weed eater line, you know, just something like that. That's plastic and, but thinner than that. And, so you load that into the printer, and however the printer gets its instructions, it just starts building, going back and forth to build the thing in layers, so that's what causes it to become 3D, like it can lay out, you know, one level of that filament, obviously very quickly, but then it just keeps laying down the filament. And it's melting it together, I guess, that, that makes it mold into that shape. But I mean, you know, they use, they use some 3d printers. They've printed organs with

Jeff:

those things. Like, I was about to ask, what do they use 3d printers for? Um, it said hobbyists are pushing back, like, what do people use this for? Are these, is this like everyday people who, who have this ability, like 3D printers? Or are these like thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars? See, I'm just ignorant on all

Chris:

this. You can actually, so I didn't know this until recently that there were some this cheap. 3D printer in the low hundreds. Oh, wow. OK. Yeah, like two, three hundred dollars. So you can get started with it at that level. So from that, so to answer your question, I mean, hobbyists. Yeah, I mean, it could be a hobbyist of anything that wants to print something. Think

Jeff:

about We don't even need Chinese organ thieves. You could just

Chris:

print an organ. Just print your own organ.

Jeff:

Yeah.

Chris:

This just seems kind of, uh, I don't know if stereotypical is the right word, but thinking of a hobbyist, I'm thinking like model railroading or something. You know, that you could just OK. Print out models of buildings, you know, to put on your. Model railroad and stuff, or people, people that are, I've seen this, people that are into, um, home automation stuff. They print little boxes to hold controllers and things like, you know, for little bitty computer boards. And so they're printing little plastic boxes that are just the size they need and things like that. I mean, back to. Your question about who's doing this, people have printed like toys and things, you know, printing off plastic toys for key chains and things like that, or people sell that kind of stuff on Etsy. I

Jeff:

wonder if these bills are going to pass, will they actually become law? I don't know, it seems, it seems strange, like you're just going to ban 3D printers, like the whole thing, when so far only one thing that they've printed is the problem.

Chris:

Right. I, that's what I thought. I, I get it. And yes, it's a concern, but what about people who are good at metalworking and welding and forging? Like, again, I know nothing about that stuff. People could make guns that way. Yeah. Like they've always made guns. Yeah.

Jeff:

Did you see the movie in the line of fire?

Chris:

Yeah. Oh yeah. He had that plastic.

Jeff:

I think it was wooden, wooden area. It was, it was not metal. I thought it was wooden or plastic or both. He made a gun so he could get it in there to try to kill the president. Yeah. And would that even work? Could you make a wooden gun? I guess so. Why does it have to be metal?

Chris:

Well, it doesn't really. I mean, if you think about, and I don't know if there was anything, cause now that I'm thinking about it, like, what did that shoot? Cause if it's a, a metal bullet, then that would, should still get caught by a metal

Jeff:

detector. But so now that you asked that, I remember he put a bullet in a, uh, a key chain, a rabbit's foot key chain. So he unscrewed it and put the bullet in there and then screwed it back. So when he goes through the metal detector, he just puts his keys on the thing and. Yeah. Nice. Okay. Yeah. Pretty creative, right? That is. That

Chris:

was a good one. I didn't remember that part of it. That was a really good movie. I didn't remember that part of it. Okay. Well, there you go. Because I mean, in order to get a bullet to fire, all you need is something to hit the back of it hard enough. To ignite it. So if you've got, and that's what he had, he had something that was spring loaded that just hit the back of it with the wood. Yeah. I just, I don't know what to think about that again. I get the idea, I get the concern, but that's just, that's casting a really wide net. Yeah. To think that you're going to ban the whole printer just because of that.

Jeff:

Yeah, I agree. We'll see. There

Chris:

you go. Yeah. It's a little news story we'll have to watch.

Jeff:

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Chris:

Covered a lot today. More botched executions.

Jeff:

Yeah. And 3d guns. Yeah. And how to

Chris:

sneak a bullet in,

Jeff:

put it in your key chain. Yeah. We're very helpful. We're very how to on this podcast. Come back next week. Alright, that is an episode wrap, and we will be back next week. Until then, so long.

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