Tales From Helheim
Dark Secrets and Sinister Deceptions: Unveiling the Horrors of Country Murders and a Guard's Deadly Betrayal
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What if the friendly security guard next door was hiding a dark secret? Join us in an electrifying episode of "Tales from Helheim" as we unravel the twisted and gruesome tales of notorious country murders that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew. From the grotesque and macabre crimes of Ed Gein, the real-life inspiration behind "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre," to the chilling cases of Jodi Arias and the ritualistic horrors of the Narcos Satanicos, our playful banter quickly gives way to spine-tingling revelations. We promise you won’t be able to turn this episode off.
Uncover the sinister conspiracies lurking behind seemingly idyllic lives. We recount the shocking story of a security guard who murdered his own family, and the complex case involving former Marines and a wealthy car dealership owner embroiled in a murder-for-hire scheme. With detailed investigations by Metro Nashville PD and the FBI, we delve into the high-tech sleuthing and toxic relationships that led to the downfall of these criminals. Get ready for a gripping journey through betrayal, courtroom drama, and the dark secrets that lie behind closed doors.
Come share your stories with us or chat on Telegram
What if the friendly security guard next door was hiding a dark secret? Join us in an electrifying episode of "Tales from Helheim" as we unravel the twisted and gruesome tales of notorious country murders that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew. From the grotesque and macabre crimes of Ed Gein, the real-life inspiration behind "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre," to the chilling cases of Jodi Arias and the ritualistic horrors of the Narcos Satanicos, our playful banter quickly gives way to spine-tingling revelations. We promise you won’t be able to turn this episode off.
Uncover the sinister conspiracies lurking behind seemingly idyllic lives. We recount the shocking story of a security guard who murdered his own family, and the complex case involving former Marines and a wealthy car dealership owner embroiled in a murder-for-hire scheme. With detailed investigations by Metro Nashville PD and the FBI, we delve into the high-tech sleuthing and toxic relationships that led to the downfall of these criminals. Get ready for a gripping journey through betrayal, courtroom drama, and the dark secrets that lie behind closed doors.
Hello and welcome back. I hope you're ready for another episode of who's that man Over there?
Speaker 2:Higgs in space. Okay, wee-woo, wee-woo.
Speaker 3:Welcome guys to another episode of Tales from Helheim.
Speaker 2:Shit, that's a podcast name, God damn it.
Speaker 3:I'm your friendly neighborhood narrator.
Speaker 2:And I'm your also friendly neighborhood Duffy.
Speaker 3:Oh wait, we got to switch back. All right guys. Well, I feel like it's been a minute.
Speaker 2:I mean, technically it has. Oh yeah, it's just one episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got caught up last week. I wasn't able to make the episode. He got caught with his pants down.
Speaker 2:Literally I'm just kidding, you don't want to know what happened after that.
Speaker 3:Father Malhoun spanked me.
Speaker 2:That and I heard something about some bullfrogs, but uh Fuck.
Speaker 3:No, you did not. You spread those goddamn rumors.
Speaker 2:It was three bullfrogs.
Speaker 3:It was five gerbils. Get your shit straight, fuck.
Speaker 1:And a ferret.
Speaker 3:It was a mongoose and a cobra right.
Speaker 2:Oh no, well, clearly you survived, so that's a plus, you're still here.
Speaker 1:Did I.
Speaker 2:Oh no, Don't tell me I'm working with a ghost right now. I mean, how more epic could you get than having a ghost for a host?
Speaker 3:The ghost is with the mostest. Yes, what if I were to tell you that you're the ghost? What? No, I'm just kidding. You do all our editing.
Speaker 2:There's no way you're the ghost yeah, I'm gonna need you duffy to uh start touching all the keyboards real behind the scenes.
Speaker 3:We really pull the current back on people. Right narrator is our fucking. He's the one that goes back and he clips all the good stuff we can't say no, well, okay, I'm going to have to.
Speaker 2:We don't want to, we don't want to get in super trouble or, you know, have people mad at us.
Speaker 3:In all fairness, 90% of it Isn't you just clipping like jokes out or anything. It's like just cutting back like sniffles and coughs and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that throat, that stuff yeah that throat clearings anything of that nature. Phone calls I leave all the shit talking in. Oh yeah, that's what makes us a uh, 18 and up family friendly podcast you can be 18 and up and family friendly. You realize that right it's a family of adults. That's just weird. But around what Exactly?
Speaker 3:The fuck, are you saying?
Speaker 2:It's weird, but it exists. It's out there. I don't like it. There's somewhere where there's a family of adults. It could be a tragedy behind it, it could be just happenstance.
Speaker 3:All right, well, that's enough of that nonsense.
Speaker 2:What is on the C crocket docket?
Speaker 3:today. Well, I had a thing where, like earlier this week, you were messing around with like the ai stuff and you're making like country songs for some reason yes they're pretty epic. Um, and I was thinking myself I was like there's been some fucking crazy ass like country ass murders, yeah, like more than we probably realize, and originally I wanted to do uh, ed gein, but that's been like beaten to death already, like everybody fucking knows that shit except for me, you don't know ed gein.
Speaker 3:He was the dude that they based the fucking Texas Chainsaw Massacre off of.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's his real name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when they went into his house, he had fucking shit made out of skin. He had skin lamp.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember seeing pictures of that shit.
Speaker 3:It was pretty fucking weird, I think he also had fucking cutlery made out of human bone and I thought he had a, a skin chair too that he said yeah, yeah, I think the fuck if I'm being honest, I think the lampshade had nipples on it. Yeah, I don't remember exactly, I just remember it looking fucking weird yeah, dude, if you ever go back like I don't recommend looking at the fucking images of like all that shit, but if you go back and you look at it on your own discretion, it's pretty fucking disgusting.
Speaker 3:Like I fuck up a lot because I'll go back and I'll like I'll look at this stuff yeah and I make myself real fucking sick and I was like oh man, I can't fucking, I can't look at shit fucking normally for like another week and a half. Oh god, that lamb shit has nipples.
Speaker 2:There's been a nipples.
Speaker 3:There's been a couple that really fucked me up. Like fuck, what was the name of that chick? She killed her boyfriend down in like Mesa Arizona. Oh, jodi Arias, yeah, her like the murder scene. Dude, it fucking that changed. I flipped a switch in me. I was like I feel fucking, I fucking, I feel bad, I feel gross, I hate this shit yeah, she was, uh, she was pretty fucked up yeah, dude, it's fucking like.
Speaker 3:That's just gruesome. At some point we're gonna have to cover that story. There's a kind of like get like comb all the details like fine tooth comb yeah but that one messed me up. And then the narcos satanicos in mexico. Um, I think we've covered this before in one of the episodes.
Speaker 3:I don't know I'm sure how in depth we went with it yeah but when they found the fucking the burial site there has like a bunch of bodies like legs and arms and shit, and they're all dismembered because they were cutting off parts of like the bodies after they killed people and they're throwing them in an un in ganga, which is basically like a cauldron yeah, that they both like because the dudes believed in palo mayoto, which is like santeria, but evil santeria oh, okay yeah, and then, uh, with all that shit like, the more like body parts and more sacrifices you add to it, the stronger your ganga becomes.
Speaker 3:And they, these dudes, like, oh well, they were so powerful that the cops can't even see us. And this dude that's how they got caught. This dude fucking ran through a fucking police blockade and they followed him and they fucking searched the property and they found like a bunch of drugs and shit. So like, oh well, let's fucking keep searching, see what we find. And they ended up finding like a bunch of fucking like body parts and shit. So like, oh well, let's fucking keep searching, see what we find. And they ended up finding like a bunch of fucking like body parts and shit. The craziest thing is that they had these wires sticking out from the ground. Yeah, and when they pulled the wires, they'd be like full fucking spines oh, jesus yeah, because they would dry them out.
Speaker 3:Let well, they put them in there after they killed the people and they let, like, the skin and the fucking muscle and the tissue all kind of rot off.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they would make necklaces out of the fucking spines or they'd make jewelry out of it.
Speaker 2:Fucking weirdos. Yeah, but the dumbest part is oh yeah, we're so powerful they went. John Cena, you can't see me cops.
Speaker 3:Dude even dumber than that. They thought that the well the main dude he was telling him well, I don't remember his name was I'm playing, I'm spacing on right now his name was like alfonso constanza or something like that yeah he literally told all of them because he was working like the cartels down there. He's like well, like I can offer you protection and the spirits will protect you. And then, on all reality, he just had a fucking um, a drug enforcement agent on his payroll, like he was like he made him his follower.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so then he knew where all the blockades were and how to get around all that shit, so like. That's why they thought like, oh well, the cops can't see us. That's why that guy fucking just blew through all that shit. But even dumber than that, he told them that they were bulletproof.
Speaker 2:Oh, fuck, yeah, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but they fucking believed it for like a long time.
Speaker 2:I mean, some people are not the brightest bulbs in that box, man.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I'm going to circle back because I realize we do this a lot, where we kind of get off track.
Speaker 2:Hey, but it's okay, that was a nice off track.
Speaker 3:Yes, so, as I was saying, I was thinking about like country murders and like Ed Gein, but I was like that's been done.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I just kind of looked up a fucking like a random, like country murder. This one takes place in Nashville.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 3:Ready for the title of this one.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Nashville couples murder unco. For the title of this one yes, nashville Couples Murder Uncovers.
Speaker 1:Dark Conspiracy Payoffs Across the Country.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, that's a hell of a country song right there.
Speaker 3:You just had one of those fucking moonshine jugs where you're blowing into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Ooh, get your washing board.
Speaker 2:I've never had one, but, goddammit, I'll buy one just for this occasion.
Speaker 3:I'm going to grab my kazoo.
Speaker 2:That's about all the washing board sound effects. I can do All right, you ready. Yes.
Speaker 3:All right. On March 13th 2020, nashville Metro Police received a 911 call made by a construction worker who saw a white Acura that hit a tree. Inside the vehicles were the body of Holly Williams and Bill Lonway, an esthetician and a mechanic respectively, who were shot several times. According to investigators, the three-year investigation into their murders would uncover a whole host of secrets, including an illicit affair and a conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Ooh, that's always interesting.
Speaker 3:I know it always is, though. You know, like people seem like they have all their shit together, but it's usually the people who have like the most fucked up lives are the ones that try to like, project themselves as like the most wholesome.
Speaker 2:Which, uh, a lot of times doesn't always work and they get easily found out yeah, there's a couple of like fucked up stories.
Speaker 3:Maybe we'll do that one day. We'll go over a couple like people try to keep their lives like nice and tidy, but then they did some really fucked up shit uh, yeah, so we just call those uh people with second lives so remind me after the podcast so I can do some more research into this one.
Speaker 3:But there's a security guard who killed his whole family and then tried to like play it off like I was at the gym oh god yeah, then they caught him like instantly and he was having an affair with like his wife's friend jesus yeah, he deserves to be taken the fuck out yeah, he killed his wife and two sons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's you just don't do that shit, man. Yeah, fucking asshole.
Speaker 3:That, or like Chris Benoit, to the wrestler.
Speaker 3:There's been a whole bunch of things going around lately that it was like a whole conspiracy or cover-up. I mean, that'd make a good episode as well. But back to this story. You get to stop me from derailing because I All right. So this was a scene like out of a movie.
Speaker 3:Metro Nashville PD Detective Patrick Cutherson, one of the case investigators, said 2020 will explore the case in an episode airing Friday, february 9th at 9 pm ET and streaming on Hulu the next day, featuring exclusive interviews with the people who investigated the murders and brought those responsible to justice. Brought those responsible to justice. Friends of Williams told 2020 that they thought the relationship between the couple was toxic. Williams installed security cameras in her apartment because of the reported domestic disputes with Lonway. Investigators sought out the security footage from around the time the couple's bodies were found. Detective David Willower of the Metro Nashville PD, who investigated the case, told 2020 that his team caught a break when they saw footage of men approaching Williams' apartment door earlier in March 2020, right before the murders. They're doing things to hide their identity, he said. Indoor cameras showed Williams pacing through her homes and bolstering the door. In the event, the men outside tried to get in.
Speaker 3:Investigators looked more into Williams' background and found out she moonlighted as an escort with the name layla love oh, jesus that is the stupidest escort name I've ever heard well then, just I don't know that's like one of those lame ass, kind of like the fake austin powered one like fucking a lot of, a lot of for china yeah, that's exactly what it reminds me of Dixie Dixie Normus With no leads from the footage of the mysterious men seen on the surveillance video.
Speaker 3:Investigators next turned to the couple's phone records. They noticed one number that was found in both of their records, which was a voice over IP, VoIP, a telephone number. These numbers are sometimes used to hide the caller's identity, but they leave a trail of computer code IP address that can be examined, Willover said. Investigators eventually matched that particular phone number to Adam Carey, a former Marine with special ops training and a criminal record who lived in North Carolina and worked in private security. Carey's driver's license photo matched the face of one of the men captured on William's camera.
Speaker 2:According to Willover, oh shit, yeah, that's not good.
Speaker 3:It's never good when you have like ex-Marine ex-military involved in this shit.
Speaker 2:Especially when PTSD and all kinds of other shit like that kicks in.
Speaker 3:I doubt it's more PTSD, I think. It think it's like just people's ill intent and they just so happen to have this fucking training.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's very true as well, yeah so it was a huge break in the case, as was the discovery in early 2021 of something called the tennessee sit representative. Sir, rep refers to a military term situational report for what is happening on the ground. It illustrates there were people who were getting paid to be in nashville to look for holly and william. Robert mcguire, the assistant us attorney in nashville, ultimately prosecuted the case till 2020. Investigators determined someone named bryan by yeah, a former Marine, had written the situational report. Investigators also identified other suspects who were working together in some kind of plot. Investigators also identified other suspects who were working together in some kind of plot. Most critically, they learned about Eric Maunda, a wealthy owner of Austin car dealership Maunda Toyota, who investigators would later learn was at the center of everything.
Speaker 2:Oh shit. Yeah dude, imagine being rich enough that you have a fucking Toyota dealership named after you and enough money to start a whole conspiracy. Whole conspiracy. I mean fuck it. It seems like he was trying to start a uh war, I'm rich, bitch, right, that's one way to spend your fucking money they killed the marine.
Speaker 3:Buy another one, you rich motherfucker oh god uh mond was. Uh mond had hired williams as an escort, whom he knew only as layla love. In early 2020 when he visited his son in nashville. Investigators said through mond investigators also began probing. Gillade played an israeli national who had a private security firm and was doing consulting work for the dealership to handle a problem of homeless people.
Speaker 3:On the lot the guy kind of just seemed like a piece of shit, like I don't like a little bit I've read like so far into like a couple pieces of this and he seems like a fucking piece of shit I mean from the sounds of him being behind a lot of stuff yeah jesus christ, like not even knowing that. It's just like from what I read right there. I don't like him it's understandable.
Speaker 2:He seems very unlikable and I bet it doesn't get any better.
Speaker 3:I doubt it gets any better. Uh mound received a mysterious text on march 1st 2020 in which the sender demanded 25 000 or threatened he would reveal the mound he had used the escort. According to investigators, mound asked palide for help to find out who sent the text and who was a real person he knew as layla love palide. As brian bryan brockway's brother, chad, who had his own security form to firm to do research on her. Chad brockway told 2020 that palide lied to him and said he had been hired by a nashville family whose missing daughter may have been sex trafficked. Oh God, just everybody's coming off bad in this fucking story. Right, we learned her real name, we issued our report and that then that was the end of it. He said I don't know man, I fucking highly doubt that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said, doesn't mean shit when half the time they always say, oh, I don't know, we didn't do this, we didn't know that, yeah, it's fucking deniability. Yep.
Speaker 3:Using information from his brother, brian Brockway hired Carrie and two other men to go to Nashville. They were recorded on Holly's home security camera on at least three occasions trying to make contact with her. They were able to determine that Lonway was behind the extortion. On March 11th Lonway phoned Maund at his home. Maund, whose family is one of the most well-known in Austin, was terrified that his wife could have answered the phone. According to investigators, brian Brockway had arrived in Nashville before that call and joined Carrie. Brockway told Pallid on March 11th that he and carrie could murder lawnway and williams for 60 000 each. Brockway told palide on march 11th that he and carrie could murder lawnway and williams for 60 000 each.
Speaker 2:It's a nice little chunk of change right there right 60 000 each I'm just saying, uh, if anybody needs, uh, some dirty done. I'll take 60K.
Speaker 3:And we're going to scratch that from there.
Speaker 2:I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3:As a disclaimer or am I Stop? According to investigators? According to Gilpleed, mound okayed the plan after hearing Brockway's offer. Investigators said at the point the two operatives who were with Carrie during those initial visits to Williams' apartment had left Nashville and were unaware of the murder-for-hire plot. Investigators said On March 12, 2020, williams' Dory security camera captured her and Lawnway walking out of the apartment. Investigators said Brockway and Carrie ambushed the couple and shot Lawnway first, followed by Williams. Audio from the security video captured the sounds of gunshots and a man and woman screaming.
Speaker 3:Because the case involved multiple states, the FBI was called in to assist in July 2020. They eventually enlisted the help of one of the two operatives who initially knocked on Williams' door with Carrie, but had not been aware or involved in the murder-for-hire plot. He agreed to wear a recording device. While he spoke with Carrie and Brock Wayne, the undercover operative talked with both suspects asking about a possible made-up hit job. In one of the recorded conversations, brockway revealed details that led investigators to believe he was involved in the murder.
Speaker 3:On December 10, 2021, the FBI executed near-simultaneous arrests of Brockway, carey and Pellede. The investigators asked Gilad Pellede to make a phone call to Mound in order to gain the last bit of evidence needed for his arrest. Fbi specialist special agent david psalm said that palit agreed to work with the fbi and call mound under the guise that one of the operatives in the murder scheme demanded more money. In the recorded call, mound made several statements that confirmed for investigators that he had knowledge of the murders. After the call endedound was arrested almost immediately they were all charged in federal court with several criminal counts in connection with the murder-for-hire plot. Polite would later plead guilty to the murder-for-hire conspiracy to commit kidnapping and kidnapping resulting in death, and agreed to testify against the other defendants. So he fucking turned instantly.
Speaker 2:Yeah but it seems like everybody fucking turned on everybody I mean pretty much man.
Speaker 3:Following a 14-day trial, the jury deliberated for seven hours and on november 17 2023, they found brockway and carrie guilty of murder for hire resulting in death, conspiracy to commit kidnapping and kidnapping resulting in death. The jury found Mound guilty for conspiracy to commit murder for hire, but not guilty of kidnapping resulting in death. Attorneys for Mound sent a statement to 2020 which read in part Eric Mound is not guilty of the charges in the indictment. Mr Mound and counsel intended to pursue appeal of the remaining charges for which the jury returned a guilty verdict. Attorney for Kerry and Brockway declined to comment. Detective Kutherbertson, that's a hard name to say.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 3:C-U-T-H-B-E-R-T-S-O-N. Kutherbertson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no thanks, just call him Kuth. Detective Kuthbertson. Yeah, no thanks, just call him Kuth.
Speaker 3:Detective Kuth said, while there was relief that investigators were able to bring the perpetrators justice, there was still no way to fill the void left by the murders. The families didn't deserve this tragedy and the trauma for both of their loved ones being killed the way that they were killed, he said, and the trauma for both of their loved ones being killed the way that they were killed, he said.
Speaker 2:My question is like, why didn't me to get to the murder for higher plot, Like I get the blackmail, but is that really that fucking bad? Well, I mean, oh, you slept with a fucking escort. Boo-hoo Politicians do that shit all the time. As a matter of fact, they do with a fucking escort. Boo-hoo Politicians do that shit all the time. As a matter of fact, they do worse shit than that and get away with it.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I think he was more scared about like this because they said he's like one of the like the most like well-known kind of families in Austin and Austin's a pretty fucking big city. So if you're going to fuck up that bad imagine fucking trying to cover that up You're going to fucking panic and go to murder right away. But at the same time it kind of strikes me like did the husband know that the wife was an escort? Or did he find out and then, out of rage, he's like well, I'm going to fucking blackmail this guy.
Speaker 2:It's hard to say. Or maybe he knew and she had told him oh, today at work, you'll never guess who came in, yeah. Or you know who called me in and then he saw an opportunity and was like, oh, I'm going to text this motherfucker and tell him hey, if you don't give me this, this, this and this, then guess what? Your secret's not safe.
Speaker 3:Because it was what $25,000, you had said.
Speaker 2:I believe so yeah.
Speaker 3:That's fucking chump.
Speaker 2:change If you're trying to extort somebody. You know it's going to fuck up their life and you know that they don't want it out. At least $100,000. Multiple hundreds of K.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not just oh yeah, cause he's rich, give me 2000 and we'll call it good 2000 and a happy meal.
Speaker 3:I mean, this dude has his own fucking Toyota dealer. I'd be like give me a fucking car and like 50 grand and we'll call it even.
Speaker 2:Right, I'd be down with that.
Speaker 3:Fucking. You can have my wife, just give me a fucking free car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, down with that fucking. You can have my wife. Just give me a fucking free car. Yeah, that'd be nice to not have a car payment.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, but all that I'm pretty sure he'd like report it stolen instantly for just two people to end up fucking dead over some stupid ass shit.
Speaker 2:Hey, dude, 60k a person. Yeah huh, in some ways.
Speaker 3:You know, some places it might take more, others not so much, but these days it seems like everyone has a price like I know they're, like the families are like this, but at the same time I can't help but feel that, like you kind of had that one coming yeah, I mean nothing against, like sex workers and all that.
Speaker 3:Like if that's what you want to do to get your rocks off, like that's cool and all that. That's how you choose to make, make your money and make your bread, that's cool and all that. But like the extortion part of it, like what did you expect was going to happen? He's not going to be like, oh, here's the money well, that and the other thing is too.
Speaker 2:If you're a member of that important of a family, then you think you'd be a little more careful in what you're doing.
Speaker 3:You would find somebody who you know is discreet. You wouldn't just go through like a random fucking person. You'd find like some kind of agency or something.
Speaker 2:You would think so, but apparently this did not think that way. And yes, we are thinking like criminals, because sometimes you have to to understand.
Speaker 3:We have to see like both. We have to try to see both points of this. Like we're not agreeing with anybody on this. We're not like oh well, he had all right to do it. No, because at the end of the day, nobody has a right to kill anybody else. But you have to think like you could have played that smarter initially, like if you're gonna do that, find someone who's gonna be discreet, if you have that kind of money, and fucking get an nda one it's.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's the same thing like in hiring all these random people. No, like there's. There's specific things that could have been done, like you could have hired someone that you know, you know didn't give a shit about life, that wouldn't have cared if they you know it turned into like a suicide by cop type deal. You do it, you get murdered, and then there's no evidence.
Speaker 3:Or I mean fucking worst case, do one of those fucking eyes wide shut parties and just wear a fucking mask so nobody knows who you are. Like fucking be discreet Because honestly, like coming out of this story, I don't think anybody came out looking good.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:There's not one goddamn person in the story that I was like oh okay, because at some point you got to think that the fucking girl knew that her boyfriend or husband was extorting somebody for money.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Because you have to be going along with that. If it's coming from just the fucking like, you have the number. Yeah, you had to have at some point told them. Oh yeah, no, I honestly, there was no innocent parties, no honestly, I don't think anybody came off good in this fucking story.
Speaker 2:Well, that's on them.
Speaker 3:They want to make a dumb ass and bad choices and they got to deal with it like the only good people that came off in the store is like the detectives, yeah, and even then there's a chance that they could have been fucking dirty, who knows I don't know, man, that's a whole nother can of worms, but from what we initially know, like from this, from this, it's fucking Nobody came out good in this story.
Speaker 2:No, not at all.
Speaker 3:Everybody just kind of comes off looking like pieces of shit, I started to say because I know that they have family and that their family is mourning their loss. At the same time, imagine the bombshell that they fucking got dropped on them, like hey, your daughter is an escort and her husband knew and tried to extort somebody.
Speaker 2:And got them both killed.
Speaker 3:And then on the other side they'd be like, hey, your husband was banging this escort got blackmailed, then he hired people to murder them and now he's going to jail.
Speaker 2:So, uh, you might want to find a new husband.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's gotta flip everything on your fucking head. Imagine having like a comfy, fucking light style and be like, oh well, people know me, it's like I'm a nice pillar in the community. And then just be like, hey, your significant other tried to have somebody murdered because they blackmailed them over fucking, having an affair and like banging an escort. So now everybody that you know is going to talk about this, because nobody's going to be like, oh, poor her, let's not talk about it. Oh yeah, yeah, this has got to ruin your fucking family. And then, if you're the kids, you have to be like yeah, my dad tried to hide somebody.
Speaker 2:Because, let's try to hide this, because he hired somebody to murder somebody yeah, and then you grow up with that spite of either not having a dad, not wanting anything to do with them, and then that changes, uh, your whole life or just kind of having to fucking bite the bullet and stand by him because he's your family yeah, yeah, it's gonna create some friction oh yeah, dude like, at the end of the day, this fucked up a lot of lives but again, that's the one thing I've mentioned and I'll keep saying is no one ever thinks of that.
Speaker 2:it's just what you gotta do, or what you feel you have to do in that moment the rewards you think you're gonna be getting and the shit you think you're gonna be saving.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of doing shit without planning for fucking further sight.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like you're not planning for down the road what's happening. You're just trying to get what you need now, and a lot of times that ends up fucking other people's lives up.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it all fucks up in the end.
Speaker 3:Yep, we as people are very selfish in nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, humans are a flawed species, that we are buddy.
Speaker 3:Well, that's all we have for this week, guys.
Speaker 2:Yes, Stay weird everybody.
Speaker 3:Yes, Stay weird. Thank you for stopping by for another episode and we'll see you in Helheim. Bye.
Speaker 1:Thank you.